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Cheung
04-07-2002, 07:03 AM
After all that's been said about 5 x 7, here's a couple of twists.

Personally, I'm not the hottest advocate of such a system. However, I do have to admit, yesterday was the first day I actually had a tournament using this scoring system. I played a men's doubles tournament.

The inital stages of the tournament were 3 x 7. The games were real short. In fact, We did have to start concentrating very early on. Our aim was to keep the shuttle low and always catch at least one point on a service rotation(isn't this always the aim?). Two matches we played of 3 x 7. The first game of each match was always more tricky, but we really pulled ahead in the 2nd games. It is very difficult to come back from a deficit like that. But there was no way I was gonna relax because of the speed at which an opponent can turn the score around.

So come the final, which is 5 x 7. Well, at least we're not so physically exhausted that we can't play the final. All matches were played within the space of three hours!
We are playing against the owner of a well known badminton shop in HK. (Ricky, you know him well!)
My feelings as a competitor is that the match was very tense. I have to understand my partner a lot more, we are forced to talk together more in the breaks to prevent the opponents running away with the match, we must trust each other more in commitment in trying to control the net area.
In fact, I'm really quite enjoying this match - what's particularly enjoyable is that there's no 'war of attrition' with one pair trying to wear the other down by lifting & defending. Both pairs have to take the initiative to attack or work to gain the lift.

In the end, we lost 5-7 in the 5th set. It took about an hour to complete the match. What was annoying was my arm got a little stiff at the end so playing the forecourt shot right on the sweet spot was difficult. I'm not sure if it was physical or mental tiredness or just a loss of concentration.

One thing i realise for a 7 point game is that one really must get used to the hall much faster. It is simply not possible to use up 5 points (like a 15 pt game) just to try and get used to the conditions. It's not just a matter of playing the shuttle around either. One has to observe the drift, lighting conditions, reflection of the wall and other objects.

Example:
This particular community hall had basketball hoops at the end of the badminton court. They are about 3 feet behind the end of the court. I planned to use these hoops when caught in a defensive position by playing a very high and deep lift to where the hoop was. That way it would be difficult for the opponent to produce a full smash for fear of hitting the hoop with his racquet. The options would have been limited to drops, half smash, or clear.



Perhaps I'm biased because I did get a nice racquet bag as a prize. Now, when's the next tournament.........

Yogi
04-07-2002, 11:48 AM
LOL! unfortunately this yr has brought me some bad results with this sick system! But then i was not practising all that much!

Let us sum it up! In this kind of format The best team on paper might not WIN! all it takes is a couple of small mistakes! I had to lose in a couple of Qf because of my tempermental partner...

There is a Match comig up on the 15Th! This could be the last Torno that i might play under 5X7! But then i have an Interview for admission into an MBA prog so i think i might have to skip the match!

But i am very very happy that the 15 point system is coming back! for most indians whose game style is dependent on basic defense i think the 15 point suits very well! We dont have the energy and Intensity level to sustain and play a 5X7 systme match effectively!

We are built to play to in different speeds and outbursts! we love to control the game by playing some simpel stuff and we never kill as we lack the Agressive attitude! i guess fallout's of deensive coaching and removal of killer instinct during training!

That is why India can never improve! coaching styles have to improve! sad think to know! prakash is gr8 but then how good is he as a coach! gopi might have been in the academy but then i think It was gopi's own effort and self motivation that has earned his spot in the limelight! I woudl not attribute much to Prakash fro Gopi's development! More to ganguly and arif for their trainig methods!

cooler
04-07-2002, 03:20 PM
hi cheung, i do have some comments on your experience of 7x5.

what's wrong with 7x5 is that it compresses the whole physical and psychological aspect of badminton. In this compression, many players drop or disregard many finer tactics of badminton and focus on attack only.

As u have said "In fact, I'm really quite enjoying this match - what's particularly enjoyable is that there's no 'war of attrition' with one pair trying to wear the other down by lifting & defending. Both pairs have to take the initiative to attack or work to gain the lift."

If one double team excels in sustaining long smash rallies, they lost the chance to employ that tactics as the game is over before your opponent is tired.

Also u have said "One thing i realise for a 7 point game is that one really must get used to the hall much faster. It is simply not possible to use up 5 points (like a 15 pt game) just to try and get used to the conditions. It's not just a matter of playing the shuttle around either. One has to observe the drift, lighting conditions, reflection of the wall and other objects."

I feel that in a longer 15x3, it would able to weed out any courts oddity and let the score to reflect the difference of real badminton skills between the teams. Yes, recognizing court abberations early on can be considered as skills but imo would put more weighting on real badminton skill to dominate over skills of recognizing court abberation and a 15x3 system will do that better than in a 7x5.

marshall
04-07-2002, 05:52 PM
I have not played 5X7, but there are things I like to do during a match that would be difficult in 5x7, I think. First, I like to try different serves against an unknown opponent, both in singles and doubles. Does he have a harder time with serves close to the body? If I serve long to his backhand, how does he handle it? And so on. This probably is not very important for international players since they or their coaches have analysed all opponents' play, but for people like most of us who discuss this issue, it's a help.

Probing for weaknesses is possible under 3x15 scoring, but I'd hate to lose 3 points while playing 5x7.

Cheung
04-07-2002, 09:47 PM
Actually, all of us have to play under different badminton conditions all around the world. recognising different court conditions and "adapting" is part of a badminton skill. Because I am a average player in Hong Kong, would that mean I would be a novice player in the high altitude of Calgary?

The same is true of table tennis and tennis. In fact, tennis has the grand slam which recognises this very fact and is the benchmark by which all top tennis players are judged by.

cooler
04-08-2002, 12:03 AM
yes, adaptation is one of intangible skill a good player possess. However, in high level tournaments, most of the court variables should be eliminated. External variables like pressure, temp., type of shuttle and audience noise are some that remain for the players to adjust to.

If u r playing calgary, hmm, i think the plus and minus balance out. Your smashes will be even faster, strokes are more effortless, u will not get overheated. On the down side, u might need to carry a oxygen bottle with you :lol:

Jason
04-08-2002, 01:28 AM
haha... it's not that bad in calgary ^^"

badrad
04-08-2002, 04:44 PM
cooler - so you think you will be able to adapt to sea level playing soon enough so that when you meet up viver, peter_kho and me? heheheh - of course, remember to bring the oxygen bottle for us old folks though....

cooler
04-08-2002, 07:42 PM
the O2 bottle was meant for the high altitude metabolism. However, at sea level, the thicker air will slow down my senile swing and movement, and the humid sea air will make me sweat just from tying my shoe laces. How much handicapp r u gonna give me?

Pecheur
04-09-2002, 08:52 AM
I moved from sea level to about 600 m (200 ft) above sea level and started playing by hitting all my shots out, and missing some smashes as I misjudge how fast they were coming. Also at the start I was really, really unfit, but I thought it'd be cool, when I went back home I'd be fitter and have better reflexes. Didn't work out that way, but it was a good plan ;)

cooler
04-09-2002, 12:30 PM
i think you mean ~ 200m or ~ 600ft :?
for calgary, the elevation is 1050 to 1250m above sea level. The badminton courts where i played is situated around 1199m.

Pecheur
04-09-2002, 09:01 PM
Though 1200 m, is a long way up, that's higher than our ski slopes, sigh.

Yogi
04-10-2002, 04:21 AM
I guess it is teh best way to improve stamina! That is why most Olympic runners have these Oxygen camps and stuff liek that! They would want to create a situation that is found at high altitudes! I guess the Lung performs best at such low levels of oxygen!

Pecheur
04-10-2002, 06:09 PM
What happens is that the lungs, and the rest of your body adapt to having lower levels of oxygen at higher altitude, so that when you get back to sea level, with the excess of oxygen you can perform better.

Cheung
04-11-2002, 12:52 AM
Is that so? I would have thought that the muscles tolerate the lack of oxygen and consequent anaerobic metabolism better after being at high altitude.

BTW, a number of years ago, NBA players used to breath extra oxygen via masks in their games. They don't now. Why?