All England Draws

[badMania]

Here's some of my ramblings on the draws for MD and XD. Haven't really looked at the draw for MS.

MEN'S DOUBLES
1st Quarter
Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto (1)
Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen (5)
-- Candra/Sigit has a pretty good draw here. They have a bye in the first round and meet an unknown Holland pair in the second round. They should meet the young Malaysian pair of Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui in the third round. Boe/Mogensen should also progress, but, their opponents are relatively tougher. They have a tricky start against the Thai no 2 pair of Anukritayawan/Saengsila in the second round and another possible tough match against Clark/Blair in the third round. This is of course assuming the England pair can overcome a young Korean pair Yoo/Kang.

2nd Quarter
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (3)
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (7)
-- After an easy second round match, Fu/Cai is expected to meet the new Denmark pairing of Laybourn/Paaske in the third round. However, Laybourn/Paaske will first meet the winner between Hwang/Han and Liu/Njoto in the second round. Markis/Hendra also has a relatively good draw, with an unknown Wales pair in the second round and yet another Malaysian young pair of Gan/Abdul Latif in the third round.

3rd Quarter
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah (6)
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto (4)
-- tough luck for Luluk/Alven. They have a tricky match against the Thai no 1 pair of Prapakamol/Ngernsrisuk in the second round and possibly the new pairing of Rasmussen/Steffensen in the third round. Meanwhile, Choong/Lee squares up against the winner between Jung TK/Lee JJ and Logosz/Mateusiak in the third round.

4th Quarter
Chan Choong Ming/Koo Kien Keat (8)
Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (2)
-- CCM/KKK should meet Guo/Xie in the third round, while Eriksen/Hansen probably has the toughest draw among the seeded pairs. They start off with Gordon/Shirley in the second round and the winner between Jung JS/Lee YD and the Malaysian pair Tan/Ong in the third round.

[jamesd20]

From Morten in German open thread:

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I know its out of topic but thought you would be glad to take a look at AE draw http://www.internationalbadminton.o...and/ms_ql3.html

[badMania]

MIXED DOUBLES
1st Quarter
Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung (1)
Jens Eriksen/Mette Schjoldager (7)
-- Lee/Lee has tough matches right from the start. Their form has been erratic lately with early exits in the Chinese Taipei and Swiss Opens (despite being seeded 1st). They face the Japanese pair of Masuda/Matsuda in the first round and possibly Clark/Kellogg in the second round. Remember that just a week ago, Clark/Kellogg has beaten the Korean pair over 3 sets. Eriksen/Schjoldager also has a tricky tie against the World Champion silver-medallist Shirley/Runesten-Petersen in the first round. The winner of that match should win their second round match.

2nd Quarter
Zhang Jun/Gao Ling (4)
Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thungthongkam (5)
-- Both seeded pairs have straight forward matches and should meet in the quarter-final for yet another explosive match. Somehow, Sudket/Saralee seem to have the edge over Zhang/Gao in the past few matches.

3rd Quarter
Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen (6)
Nathan Robertson/Gail Emms (3)
-- Again, the 2 pairs should advance to the quarter-final. The reigning champion Robertson/Emms has been in incredible form in the past few months and will be the pair to beat. The young Chinese pair is also on the rise since their silver medal at the World Championship and the quarter-final match will be explosive. Robertson/Emms have a slight edge over the Chinese pair.

4th Quarter
Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter-Juhl (8)
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir (2)
-- The Indonesian pair yet again is lucky to avoid the big-guns until the semi-finals. They have an easy match in the first round and should meet the Thai no 2 pair of Anukritayawan/Worawitchitchaikul in the second round. They have met each other pretty often lately, with the latest meeting in the SEA Games. Meanwhile, Laybourn/Rytter-Juhl faces the young Korean pair of Lee/Hwang in the first round and should meet England no 2 pair of Blair/Munt in the second round. The winner will face the World Champion Nova/Butet in the quarter-final.

My predictions for semi-final:
Eriksen/Schjoldager vs Sudket/Saralee
Robertson/Emms vs Nova/Butet
-- if Nova/Butet can overcome Roberson/Emms in the semi-final, they might yet again be lucky enough to become the All England champion. Otherwise, Robertson/Emms have a strong chance of retaining their title.

[indra]

MIXED DOUBLES
1st Quarter
Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung (1)
Jens Eriksen/Mette Schjoldager (7)
-- Lee/Lee has tough matches right from the start. Their form has been erratic lately with early exits in the Chinese Taipei and Swiss Opens (despite being seeded 1st). They face the Japanese pair of Masuda/Matsuda in the first round and possibly Clark/Kellogg in the second round. Remember that just a week ago, Clark/Kellogg has beaten the Korean pair over 3 sets. Eriksen/Schjoldager also has a tricky tie against the World Champion silver-medallist Shirley/Runesten-Petersen in the first round. The winner of that match should win their second round match.

2nd Quarter
Zhang Jun/Gao Ling (4)
Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thungthongkam (5)
-- Both seeded pairs have straight forward matches and should meet in the quarter-final for yet another explosive match. Somehow, Sudket/Saralee seem to have the edge over Zhang/Gao in the past few matches.

3rd Quarter
Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen (6)
Nathan Robertson/Gail Emms (3)
-- Again, the 2 pairs should advance to the quarter-final. The reigning champion Robertson/Emms has been in incredible form in the past few months and will be the pair to beat. The young Chinese pair is also on the rise since their silver medal at the World Championship and the quarter-final match will be explosive. Robertson/Emms have a slight edge over the Chinese pair.

4th Quarter
Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter-Juhl (8)
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir (2)
-- The Indonesian pair yet again is lucky to avoid the big-guns until the semi-finals. They have an easy match in the first round and should meet the Thai no 2 pair of Anukritayawan/Worawitchitchaikul in the second round. They have met each other pretty often lately, with the latest meeting in the SEA Games. Meanwhile, Laybourn/Rytter-Juhl faces the young Korean pair of Lee/Hwang in the first round and should meet England no 2 pair of Blair/Munt in the second round. The winner will face the World Champion Nova/Butet in the quarter-final.

My predictions for semi-final:
Eriksen/Schjoldager vs Sudket/Saralee
Robertson/Emms vs Nova/Butet
-- if Nova/Butet can overcome Roberson/Emms in the semi-final, they might yet again be lucky enough to become the All England champion. Otherwise, Robertson/Emms have a strong chance of retaining their title.

Looking at the draw:

My prediction:

Either Nova / Butet or Robertson / Emms

Either Cai/Fue or Chandra/Sigit

MS:Either Lin Dan or Chen Hong [ they will absolutely rule without Taufik's participation]

[Morten]

LCW seems in good form lately defeating Xia easily but again his draw is tough as he has to take on Chen Hong and LD.

[indra]

LCW seems in good form lately defeating Xia easily but again his draw is tough as he has to take on Chen Hong and LD.

LCW is without doubt on the rise..however his quality is, in my opinion, still in the middle group.

Highest level - Taufik and Lin Dan
High Level - Chen Hong, Peter
Middle Level - Bao, Lee Hyung Ill, Ponsak, LCW and all top Malaysians, Kenneth, Xia, Sony
Low Level - Ng Wei, Simon, Chen Jin, Ronald Susilo,

[F-Man]

Can someone please put up a link to the draws? I can't seem to find it myself and the one above doesn't work!

[s1nn3r]

LCW is without doubt on the rise..however his quality is, in my opinion, still in the middle group.

Highest level - Taufik and Lin Dan
High Level - Chen Hong, Peter
Middle Level - Bao, Lee Hyung Ill, Ponsak, LCW and all top Malaysians, Kenneth, Xia, Sony
Low Level - Ng Wei, Simon, Chen Jin, Ronald Susilo,

but i dont really thing ponsak are in that group. :rolleyes: ... maybe there should be an intermediate group..

[**KZ**]

LCW is without doubt on the rise..however his quality is, in my opinion, still in the middle group.

Highest level - Taufik and Lin Dan
High Level - Chen Hong, Peter
Middle Level - Bao, Lee Hyung Ill, Ponsak, LCW and all top Malaysians, Kenneth, Xia, Sony
Low Level - Ng Wei, Simon, Chen Jin, Ronald Susilo,


wat do you mean?
peter gade has never beaten LCW..and his matches with chen hong has always been close..

[nugroho]

what about WD ? does indonesia has change to get into semis?

[badMania]

what about WD ? does indonesia has change to get into semis?

Absolutely no chance. Unless there's a miracle of course. Jo Novita/Greysia Polii has to overcome a Denmark pair in the first round....doable....but...they will meet Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen in the second round.

[indra]

what about WD ? does indonesia has change to get into semis?
have to wait for another 10 years

[wl2172]

wat do you mean?
peter gade has never beaten LCW..and his matches with chen hong has always been close..

IMO, I think LCW is up there with LD and Taufik. Also, dont forget that LD will be facing KJ early as well, so LD may not survive that.

[nugroho]

hey what about Bpa chunlai.. is he in bad injuried:rolleyes: ?

[indra]

hey what about Bpa chunlai.. is he in bad injuried:rolleyes: ?



Assuming that the injury will affect Bao's performance...
My prediction up to the big 8 will be as follows:

Lin Dan vs Kenneth
LCW vs Chen Hong
Bonsaak/Chen Jin vs Peter
Hyun Ill vs Sony [assuming Bao is affected by Injury]

If this scenario happens...
Then...the semi final will be:

Lin Dan vs LCW ==> Lin Dan
Lin Dan vs Chn Hong ==> 50:50

Peter vs Sony [50:50]

The Final will be:

IF
Sony vs LD ==> Lin Dan will win
Sony vs Chn Hong => 50:50

IF
Peter vs Lin Dan ==> 50:50
Peter vs Chen Hong ==> Peter will win

[Badmincraze]

Assuming that the injury will affect Bao's performance...
My prediction up to the big 8 will be as follows:

Oh my... wat happened to Bao Bao ??? :confused:

[Chu Liuxiang]

Before Lin Dan could meet up with Kenneth, he may face some trouble against Wong CH. For the past 4 months IBF circuit, Wong CH only lost to one non Malaysian player which is Chen Jin during China Open, other than that, Wong CH almost beat all non Malaysian players ( including Taufik - HK Open)and then lost to LCW everytime. Lin Dan has to be very careful against Wong CH.


Assuming that the injury will affect Bao's performance...
My prediction up to the big 8 will be as follows:

Lin Dan vs Kenneth
LCW vs Chen Hong
Bonsaak/Chen Jin vs Peter
Hyun Ill vs Sony [assuming Bao is affected by Injury]

If this scenario happens...
Then...the semi final will be:

Lin Dan vs LCW ==> Lin Dan
Lin Dan vs Chn Hong ==> 50:50

Peter vs Sony [50:50]

The Final will be:

IF
Sony vs LD ==> Lin Dan will win
Sony vs Chn Hong => 50:50

IF
Peter vs Lin Dan ==> 50:50
Peter vs Chen Hong ==> Peter will win

[rollerbuzz]

Lin Dan All The Way!! XD

[virusvoodoo]

Assuming that the injury will affect Bao's performance...
My prediction up to the big 8 will be as follows:

Lin Dan vs Kenneth
LCW vs Chen Hong
Bonsaak/Chen Jin vs Peter
Hyun Ill vs Sony [assuming Bao is affected by Injury]

If this scenario happens...
Then...the semi final will be:

Lin Dan vs LCW ==> Lin Dan
Lin Dan vs Chn Hong ==> 50:50

Peter vs Sony [50:50]

The Final will be:

IF
Sony vs LD ==> Lin Dan will win
Sony vs Chn Hong => 50:50

IF
Peter vs Lin Dan ==> 50:50
Peter vs Chen Hong ==> Peter will win

Aren't you a little biased? Peter has a slight advantage over Sony as he still needs to mature his mental ability. The same can be said when Sony is facing Chen Hong since lately Chen has impressed us all by beating some of the toughest opponents (Lin Dan - twice now, Peter Gade, Bao). And although I love Peter Gade's fighting spirit, he still has trouble against Lin Dan.

[badMania]

Arghh...they have ammended the MD draw. There are now plenty of possible upsets in the second round. These are the matches which could prove to be tight and explosive.

Matias Boe/Carsten Mogensen vs Anthony Clark/Robert Blair
- the winner will possibly face the Japanese pair Keita Masuda/Tadashi Othsuka for a place in the quarter-final. Candra/Sigit possibly awaits in the quarter-final.

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Jonas Rasmussen/Peter Steffensen
- the winner will face Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif/Gan Teik Chay or Kang Myeong Won/Yoo Yeon Song for a place in the quarter-final. CCM/KKK possibly awaits in the quarter-final.

Thomas Laybourn/Lars Paaske vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan :mad:
- the winner will face Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo or John Gordon/Daniel Shirley for a place in the quarter-final.

Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto :mad: :mad:
- the winner will face Liu Kwok Wa/Albertus Susanto Njoto or Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazary/Lin Woon Fui for a place in the quarter-final.

If both Indonesian pairs progress to the quarter-final, they will face each other for a semi-final place.

The ammended draw have drastically reduced Team Indonesia's chance of an All England title. It's possible that both Markis/Hendra as well as Luluk/Alven will be eliminated in the second round. Fu/Cai also has a tricky tie against Rasmuseen/Steffensen.

[virusvoodoo]

Arghh...they have ammended the MD draw. There are now plenty of possible upsets in the second round. These are the matches which could prove to be tight and explosive.

Matias Boe/Carsten Mogensen vs Anthony Clark/Robert Blair
- the winner will possibly face the Japanese pair Keita Masuda/Tadashi Othsuka for a place in the quarter-final. Candra/Sigit possibly awaits in the quarter-final.

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Jonas Rasmussen/Peter Steffensen
- the winner will face Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif/Gan Teik Chay or Kang Myeong Won/Yoo Yeon Song for a place in the quarter-final. CCM/KKK possibly awaits in the quarter-final.

Thomas Laybourn/Lars Paaske vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan :mad:
- the winner will face Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo or John Gordon/Daniel Shirley for a place in the quarter-final.

Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto :mad: :mad:
- the winner will face Liu Kwok Wa/Albertus Susanto Njoto or Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazary/Lin Woon Fui for a place in the quarter-final.

If both Indonesian pairs progress to the quarter-final, they will face each other for a semi-final place.

The ammended draw have drastically reduced Team Indonesia's chance of an All England title. It's possible that both Markis/Hendra as well as Luluk/Alven will be eliminated in the second round. Fu/Cai also has a tricky tie against Rasmuseen/Steffensen.

Too bad there is not any American pair (Tony Gunuwan & Howard Bach or Tony Gunuwan & Halim Heryanto).

[eskey]

Arghh...they have ammended the MD draw.

why they amended? only MD draw?

[indra]

Aren't you a little biased? Peter has a slight advantage over Sony as he still needs to mature his mental ability. The same can be said when Sony is facing Chen Hong since lately Chen has impressed us all by beating some of the toughest opponents (Lin Dan - twice now, Peter Gade, Bao). And although I love Peter Gade's fighting spirit, he still has trouble against Lin Dan.

In my opinion the competition in the MS, WS, WD will not be interesting. WIth the absence of Taufik " the Incredible" and Bao Chun Lai [despite his participation, I guess, his performance will not be maximal) , the competition in this sector becomes less interesting.

I personally hope that LD will win..

MD and MX will be more competitive. MD will be the most difficult sector to predict.

MD - I personally hope Chndra/Sigit will win

[hcyong]

MS
1st quarter
Is it just me or does Jang Young Soo always get drawn with Lin Dan?
Lin Dan should meet Wong Choong Hann in the R16. Kenneth Jonassen's path to the quarterfinal seems easy, but Lin Dan remains the huge favourite for this quarter.
Prediction: Lin Dan
2nd quarter
Lee Chong Wei is blessed with a clear path to the quarters, his toughest adversaries apparently Joppien and Kaldau. However, waiting in the quarters is Chen Hong (who I think will steamroll over Shon Seung Mo). There is no clear favourite between Lee and Chen.
Prediction: Lee Chong Wei
3rd quarter
Hafiz v Chen Jin will easily be the match of the round. It is hard to predict the outcome, but the winner will also have to contend with Boonsak for a quarterfinal place. Peter Gade, on the other hand, does have a relatively much easier path with Park Sung Hwan and Ng Wei his main opponents.
Prediction: Peter Gade
4th quarter
Even though Lee Hyun Il crashed out in Germany, he has a pretty straightforward path to the quarterfinals. Bao Chunlai and Sony will have to fight out for the other one, and taking Bao's withdrawal in Germany into consideration, I will go for Sony on this one.
Prediction: Sony Dwi Kuncoro
To win it all: Lin Dan to beat Peter Gade in the final.

WS
1st quarter
It is a fight between Hirose and Yao Jie to see who will face Zhang Ning in the quarters. My gut feeling says it's the Japanese.
Prediction: Zhang Ning
2nd quarter
It looks like Pi Hongyan v Lu Lan again. Unfortunately, Pi has to be underdog this time. The other quarterfinal spot is a fight between Hallam and Cheng Shao-Chieh. I think the Taiwanese will cause an upset.
Prediction: Lu Lan
3rd quarter
Mia v Jiang Yanjiao is hard to predict. The winner should play Wang Chen who should get by Yu Hirayama.
Prediction: Wang Chen
4th quarter
Wong Mew Choo will face Julia Mann and then (if she wins) Tine Rasmussen and then Xu Huaiwen to earn the right to play Xie Xingfang. Seo Yoon Hee v Susan Hughes and also v Kaori Mori should be interesting also
Prediction: Xie Xingfang
To win it all: Zhang bt Xie

[sabathiel]

Too bad there is not any American pair (Tony Gunuwan & Howard Bach or Tony Gunuwan & Halim Heryanto).

Where is Tony Gunawan and Howard Bach at 2006 AE?:confused:

[rwchen]

Wong CH has been in good form lately and should Lin Dan be stretched to rubber sets in first or second round, he will have problem against Wong CH.
Lee CW has a relatively easy draw in the earlier rounds, he should stand a good chance against Chen Hong and even to win his first AE. Yap Kim Hock is taking AE seriously this time. Even RTM 1 would have daily highlights (not sure about live telecast) of AE this year.


MS
1st quarter
Is it just me or does Jang Young Soo always get drawn with Lin Dan?
Lin Dan should meet Wong Choong Hann in the R16. Kenneth Jonassen's path to the quarterfinal seems easy, but Lin Dan remains the huge favourite for this quarter.
Prediction: Lin Dan
2nd quarter
Lee Chong Wei is blessed with a clear path to the quarters, his toughest adversaries apparently Joppien and Kaldau. However, waiting in the quarters is Chen Hong (who I think will steamroll over Shon Seung Mo). There is no clear favourite between Lee and Chen.
Prediction: Lee Chong Wei
3rd quarter
Hafiz v Chen Jin will easily be the match of the round. It is hard to predict the outcome, but the winner will also have to contend with Boonsak for a quarterfinal place. Peter Gade, on the other hand, does have a relatively much easier path with Park Sung Hwan and Ng Wei his main opponents.
Prediction: Peter Gade
4th quarter
Even though Lee Hyun Il crashed out in Germany, he has a pretty straightforward path to the quarterfinals. Bao Chunlai and Sony will have to fight out for the other one, and taking Bao's withdrawal in Germany into consideration, I will go for Sony on this one.
Prediction: Sony Dwi Kuncoro
To win it all: Lin Dan to beat Peter Gade in the final.

WS
1st quarter
It is a fight between Hirose and Yao Jie to see who will face Zhang Ning in the quarters. My gut feeling says it's the Japanese.
Prediction: Zhang Ning
2nd quarter
It looks like Pi Hongyan v Lu Lan again. Unfortunately, Pi has to be underdog this time. The other quarterfinal spot is a fight between Hallam and Cheng Shao-Chieh. I think the Taiwanese will cause an upset.
Prediction: Lu Lan
3rd quarter
Mia v Jiang Yanjiao is hard to predict. The winner should play Wang Chen who should get by Yu Hirayama.
Prediction: Wang Chen
4th quarter
Wong Mew Choo will face Julia Mann and then (if she wins) Tine Rasmussen and then Xu Huaiwen to earn the right to play Xie Xingfang. Seo Yoon Hee v Susan Hughes and also v Kaori Mori should be interesting also
Prediction: Xie Xingfang
To win it all: Zhang bt Xie

[indra]

Wong CH has been in good form lately and should Lin Dan be stretched to rubber sets in first or second round, he will have problem against Wong CH.
Lee CW has a relatively easy draw in the earlier rounds, he should stand a good chance against Chen Hong and even to win his first AE. Yap Kim Hock is taking AE seriously this time. Even RTM 1 would have daily highlights (not sure about live telecast) of AE this year.

prioro

Without Taufik's presence, either LD or Chen Hong will most likely win. They are unstoppable. This year's AE will most likely belong to one of them.

[Morten]

for LCW to go further than the quarterfinal all depends on how Chen Hong plays that day. In my opinion Chen Hong is the best of the chinese MS players when we look at his top level, but sadly he lacks consistency and sometimes gets a "black out". Specially against Gade and Taufik who have outsmarted him.

Chen Hong on the other hand has started to show more consistency and is in my opinion a top 4 player in the world, just behind Lin Dan. LCW may perhaps not have as high a lvl as Chen Hong and Lin Dan but stay focused troughout a match and a tournament, which Chen Hong and sometimes even Lin Dan doesnt. But at an AE I guess both CH and LD will stay focused and we saw what happened to LCW in Hong Kong Open when facing a concentrated Lin Dan. Take German Open for an example, defeats Lin Dan and loses bigtime to Chen Jin, not to take anything away from Chen Jin but he is a little bit behind the other two. I would say that Malaysia will find it very hard to have a MS champion and so will Denmark and the other countries, I guess China with their 5 powerplayers are too strong :(

[taufik-ist]

Too bad there is not any American pair (Tony Gunuwan & Howard Bach or Tony Gunuwan & Halim Heryanto).

are they ' coward' :) ? or they're still enjoying world champion title :D

[sabathiel]

are they ' coward' :) ? or they're still enjoying world champion title :D

They won the Copenhagen Masters title so they can't be cowards and proved that their 2005 WC title was no fluke.:)

[eskey]

are they ' coward' :) ? or they're still enjoying world champion title :D

same question to Taufik as well :)

[taufik-ist]

They won the Copenhagen Masters title so they can't be cowards and proved that their 2005 WC title was no fluke.:)

they always avoid big tournaments that almost top players participate there,

there's only 1 or 2 top MD players in copenhagen master :D

[taufik-ist]

Here's some of my ramblings on the draws for MD and XD. Haven't really looked at the draw for MS.

MEN'S DOUBLES
1st Quarter
Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto (1)
Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen (5)
-- Candra/Sigit has a pretty good draw here. They have a bye in the first round and meet an unknown Holland pair in the second round. They should meet the young Malaysian pair of Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui in the third round. Boe/Mogensen should also progress, but, their opponents are relatively tougher. They have a tricky start against the Thai no 2 pair of Anukritayawan/Saengsila in the second round and another possible tough match against Clark/Blair in the third round. This is of course assuming the England pair can overcome a young Korean pair Yoo/Kang.

2nd Quarter
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (3)
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (7)
-- After an easy second round match, Fu/Cai is expected to meet the new Denmark pairing of Laybourn/Paaske in the third round. However, Laybourn/Paaske will first meet the winner between Hwang/Han and Liu/Njoto in the second round. Markis/Hendra also has a relatively good draw, with an unknown Wales pair in the second round and yet another Malaysian young pair of Gan/Abdul Latif in the third round.

3rd Quarter
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah (6)
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto (4)
-- tough luck for Luluk/Alven. They have a tricky match against the Thai no 1 pair of Prapakamol/Ngernsrisuk in the second round and possibly the new pairing of Rasmussen/Steffensen in the third round. Meanwhile, Choong/Lee squares up against the winner between Jung TK/Lee JJ and Logosz/Mateusiak in the third round.

4th Quarter
Chan Choong Ming/Koo Kien Keat (8)
Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (2)
-- CCM/KKK should meet Guo/Xie in the third round, while Eriksen/Hansen probably has the toughest draw among the seeded pairs. They start off with Gordon/Shirley in the second round and the winner between Jung JS/Lee YD and the Malaysian pair Tan/Ong in the third round.

i'm glad AE 2006 still use 15 point scoring system, it makes chandra/sigit will still have big chance to gain the tittle, unlucky for cai/fu :D

[abedeng]

wat do you mean?
peter gade has never beaten LCW..and his matches with chen hong has always been close..

Maybe this is more accurate, LCW quality is in the high group, but he is just not consistent enough. Come to think of it, no Malaysian MS/MD/WS/WD/XD is ever consistent enough after the retirement of Razif-Jalani Sidek.

[indra]

i'm glad AE 2006 still use 15 point scoring system, it makes chandra/sigit will still have big chance to gain the tittle, unlucky for cai/fu :D

If the 15 scoring system is applied, the match will be much more interesting...
The 21-scoring system is too fast, especially for doubles..not interesting to watch....

I guess the 21-scoring system will not be successful.

[indra]

same question to Taufik as well :)

When he participates, other players will be frightened:D , especially Lin Dan, Chen Hong and Peter

[tehsham]

When he participates, other players will be frightened:D , especially Lin Dan, Chen Hong and Peter

I dont think they will be frightened, anyway Taufik can be beaten with a duck score

[rwchen]

I just found out from the AE website that MD matches will be redrawn, not sure why.

[felicialim]

Duo out of the seedings

By RAJES PAUL





PETALING JAYA: The veteran pair of Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah are no longer seeded in a third redraw for the men's doubles event of the All-England Badminton Championships, which begin tomorrow in Birmingham.

Tan Fook-Wan Wah were seeded sixth in earlier draws. But the International Badminton Federation (IBF) on receiving protests against seeding the Malaysian pair have rectified their mistake.

http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2006/1/17/sports/s_51lee.jpg OUTSIDE CHANCE: Lee Wan Wah (right) and Choong Tan Fook will start their All-England campaign against Michal Logosz-Robert Mateusiak of Poland in the second round.
In the new draw made on Friday, Tan Fook-Wan Wah, who are ranked 19th in the world, are in the same quarter as second seeds Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen of Denmark.

Wan Wah, who is making a comeback in the All-England after skipping last year's edition because of injury, is looking forward to playing in his first tournament of the year.

“The draw has changed a few times but we are not bothered by it,” said Wan Wah in a telephone interview from Birmingham yesterday.

“In fact, we were surprised to get a seeding earlier. We have now been drawn to play against different players and we will be ready for them.”

Wan Wah did not play in the Swiss Open two weeks ago. Tan Fook paired up with veteran singles player Wong Choong Hann and they were beaten by Danes Mathias Boe-Carsten Morgensen in the second round.

At the 2004 All-England, Wan Wah-Tan Fook did well to reach the final. But they fell short of getting their biggest career win, losing to Eriksen-Lundgaard Hansen.

“We have not played against Eriksen-Lundgaard Hansen since our defeat in the 2004 All-England final. We will be out to turn the tables on them if we get to meet them again,” said Wan Wah.

Tan Fook-Wan Wah, who have a first-round bye, will take on eighth seed Michal Logosz-Robert Mateusiak of Poland in the second round.

They are expected to play against world number two Eriksen-Lundgaard Hansen in the quarter-finals.

A place in the semi-finals will give them a match against one of these three pairs – Indonesia's Luluk Hadiyanto-Alven Yulianto, China's Guo Zhengdong-Xie Zhongbo and German Open champion Jung Jae-sung-Lee Yong-dae of South Korea.

The other half of the draw has top seeds Candra Wijaya-Sigit Budiarto of Indonesia, Malaysia's Chan Chong Ming-Koo Kien Keat, Boe-Morgensen and defending champion Cai Yun-Fu Haifeng of China.

Chong Ming-Kien Keat are the eighth seeds and they are tipped to play against Cai Yun-Haifeng in the quarter-finals. The Malaysian duo beat the Chinese pair in the third round of the world championships last year.

The other Malaysian pairs in the fray are national champions Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Lin Woon Fui, Gan Teik Chai-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif and Tan Bin Shen-Ong Soon Hock. Malaysia have not won the All-England's men's doubles title since the success of the Sidek brothers, Razif and Jalani, in 1982.

[rwchen]

A bit confused by the AE website. I think the draw reported by The Star should be the latest and final one.

[extremeroxr]

Well, looks like its going to be an interesting match up on singles and doubles. Definitely interesting when it comes to last eight. Hope there is no surprises.:D
All da best to your heroes!

[nugroho]

Well, looks like its going to be an interesting match up on singles and doubles. Definitely interesting when it comes to last eight. Hope there is no surprises.:D
All da best to your heroes!
i wish for surprises in MS and WD due to unseeded indonesian player sony dwi kuncoro and indonesian pair in WD:)
finger cross

[kanive]

Arghh...they have ammended the MD draw.

:confused::confused::confused:
They should also amend the MS draw! How is it that every Englishman (except Rajiv Ouseph, more on that later) has such an easy match in the first round that their entry into the 2nd round is practically guaranteed?! The one guy who has a tough match (Rajiv, plays Boonsak) got there via the qualifying rounds, and even more sickeningly, takes the slot that was previously occupied by Anup Sridhar, the Indian National Champion! (Can you believe it, the Indian and Thai national champions going at it in the 1st round?!? -- good thing that Anup dropped out.) Also the case with most other first round matches. Everyone has a tough game except the Englishmen. This is all extremely fishy. I suspect the Indians knew something like this might happen -- they haven't sent in an official entry, though Arvind Bhat and Chetan Anand are apparently going there to play on their own. (But why? They get to play Wong Choong Han and Lee Hyun Il first up!!)

[Dreamzz]

ah, all these conspiracy theories. but you're right, it does look slightly suspicious. in any case, they prolly won't survive after the 3rd round so no one really cares. it's probably so that the locals can support them for another day in birmingham before they get knocked out.

[coops241180]

odd.. i thought the draws were all done by a machine now? i also thought the software which they were using had recently been updated and they'd had horrible problems with it?

but i do agree the MS in particular looks odd - 3 of the england players appear to have drawn qualifiers in the first round..

just to fuel this conspiracy - rajeev was supposed to be in the qualifiers so the MS draw has already been altered by withdrawals etc etc..

i'm sure there is no foul play on the part of the BAofE... it's prolly just a bug in the software caused by a heavy english entry.. if you look through the qualifiers there are mountains of them..
Coops

[felicialim]

I wonder who was the one protesting against LWW/CTF seeding.

[kanive]

odd.. i thought the draws were all done by a machine now? i also thought the software which they were using had recently been updated and they'd had horrible problems with it?

but i do agree the MS in particular looks odd - 3 of the england players appear to have drawn qualifiers in the first round..

just to fuel this conspiracy - rajeev was supposed to be in the qualifiers so the MS draw has already been altered by withdrawals etc etc..

i'm sure there is no foul play on the part of the BAofE... it's prolly just a bug in the software caused by a heavy english entry.. if you look through the qualifiers there are mountains of them..
Coops

I agree, actually. Previous suggestions of conspiracy strictly tongue-in-cheek. It does look like a machine draw. No human would be that blatant!:p

I suspect that what happened was just that after the seeds they threw people in randomly, with affiliations as the only further check to make sure they don't play in the first round. I can easily imagine an unthinking piece of software coming up with such a draw.

[jamesd20]

It is the same in any home draw, the Qualifying rounds are crammed with Qualifiers so there is always more chance that they will progress through to the main draw with any withdrawals.

In china Open a few years ago, i remember the first round being about 70% CHN players.

[kanive]

It is the same in any home draw, the Qualifying rounds are crammed with Qualifiers so there is always more chance that they will progress through to the main draw with any withdrawals.

In china Open a few years ago, i remember the first round being about 70% CHN players.

Well, yeah, so a well-made draw would have made sure that no Englishman played a qualifier in the first round! :P

[badMania]

Just saw from the AE website that the MD is to be redrawn again? My goodness....

[jamesd20]

Well, yeah, so a well-made draw would have made sure that no Englishman played a qualifier in the first round! :P

With respect to the england players, it hardly matters if they play a seed or a qualifier, they are at least 90% likely to lose anyhow in MS.

[libra]

The organizers need an official of some sort to prevent all these redraws. 4 times is way too many for something as prestigeous at the All England.




Badminton: Doubles woes after redraw

BY RAJES PAUL

PETALING JAYA: There was a fourth redraw on the eve of the All-England men's doubles event in Birmingham yesterday. This time, it brought bad news for the Malaysian men’s doubles players.

Veterans Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah will take on top seed and world number one Candra Wijaya-Sigit Budiarto of Indonesia in the second round on Thursday. Both the unseeded Malaysians and the World Championships runners-up have received first-round byes.

And to make matters even worse, Chan Chong Ming was rushed to hospital yesterday with suspected appendicitis. Chong Ming and Koo Kien Keat, the seventh seeds, are Malaysia’s best hope for the title.

National chief coach Yap Kim Hock (pic) said they will wait for the diagnosis on Chong Ming, whose second round match will be tomorrow.

“If he can’t make it, we will replace him with Chew Choon Eng.”

Even if Chong Ming-Kien Keat can play, they too face a tough time as they are slated to meet either Tan Fook-Wan Wah or Candra-Sigit in the quarter-finals.

The fourth redraw was conducted yesterday by the International Badminton Federation (IBF) following a protest from Denmark coach Steen Pedersen.

The Dane claimed that based on the Dec 22 world rankings used to determine the draw, the top two Malaysian pairs were Chong Ming-Kien Keat and Gan Teik Chai-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif.

And the IBF rule says that the top two pairs could not be drawn in the same half of the draw.

Kim Hock was understandably disappointed with the latest setbacks.

“What can I say ... it is unfortunate that there was another redraw. We had a favourable draw previously. But the Denmark's protest is valid,” said Kim Hock in a telephone interview from Birmingham yesterday.

Based on the previous draw, Tan Fook-Wan Wah were supposed to meet second seed Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen of Denmark in the last eight while Chong Ming-Kien Keat were expected to take on defending champions Cai Yun-Fu Haifeng of China.

“Tan Fook-Wan Wah have not played Candra-Sigit since 2003 while Chong Ming-Kien Keat have never beaten the Indonesians before,” he said.

While the seasoned campaigners have problems, Kim Hock is hoping the national back-up pairs – Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Lin Woon Fui, Tan Bin Shen-Ong Soon Hock and Teik Chai- Zakry – can spring some surprises.

With the latest turn of events, it is definitely much tougher for Malaysia to end the men's doubles title drought last won by Jalani-Razif Sidek in 1982.

In the men's singles, Kim Hock said that it too would be tough for Chong Wei, Wong Choong Hann and Hafiz Hashim.

“They have Chinese players standing in their way. It will not be easy for them to beat the Chinese,” said Kim Hock.

Hafiz, who won the title in 2003, will take on 20-year-old German Open champion Chen Jin in the first round.

Chong Wei should make it to the quarter-finals for a projected match against defending champion Chen Hong. Choong Hann has world number one Lin Dan in his path in the third round.

[eskey]

Badminton: Doubles woes after redraw

BY RAJES PAUL

PETALING JAYA: There was a fourth redraw on the eve of the All-England men's doubles event in Birmingham yesterday. This time, it brought bad news for the Malaysian men’s doubles players.

Veterans Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah will take on top seed and world number one Candra Wijaya-Sigit Budiarto of Indonesia in the second round on Thursday. Both the unseeded Malaysians and the World Championships runners-up have received first-round byes.

I think not only bad news for Malaysia, but for Indonesia as well. You know what capability of Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah, they are very experience pair, so to me the match could go either way. Headache to Indonesian coach as well :)

[eskey]

looking at the latest MD draw, indeed lots of changes. lucky for Denmark pairs, Jonas/Peter were supposed to face Fu/Cai, now Scot's pair in the second round. Lars Paskee/Thomas were supposed to face Kido/Hendra, now Qualifier. Kido/Hendra were in the same quarter with Luluk/Alvent, but now only in the same half. Seems now Candra/Sigit have tougher opponents than the previous draws, now they have to face Choong Tan Fook/Wan Wah in the second round and in the same quarter as well with CCM/KKK.

One thing that i don't understand, why Jonas/Peter get seeded *5/8, i thought they are new pair and have to start from bottom again:confused:

[badMania]

looking at the latest MD draw, indeed lots of changes. lucky for Denmark pairs, Jonas/Peter were supposed to face Fu/Cai, now Scot's pair in the second round. Lars Paskee/Thomas were supposed to face Kido/Hendra, now Qualifier. Kido/Hendra were in the same quarter with Luluk/Alvent, but now only in the same half. Seems now Candra/Sigit have tougher opponents than the previous draws, now they have to face Choong Tan Fook/Wan Wah in the second round and in the same quarter as well with CCM/KKK.

One thing that i don't understand, why Jonas/Peter get seeded *5/8, i thought they are new pair and have to start from bottom again:confused:

Arghh.....bad draw for Candra/Sigit indeed from the very beginning. Any match against Malaysian pair is always 50/50. CCM/KKK will also face a tricky tie against possibly the Korean pair Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (they just won the German Open) in the the third round. The winner will face either Candra/Sigit or Choong/Lee in the quarter-final.

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun now has an easier route to the semi-final. They have an easy second round tie before possibly facing the young Malaysian pair of Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui in the third round. Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen will possibly face their compatriot, the newly paired Thomas Laybourn/Lars Paaske in the third round. The winners will face either Fu/Cai or Mohd Fairuzizuan/Lin in the quarter-final.

Jonas Rasmussen/Peter Steffensen (now seeded) should progress to the quarter-final if they can overcome Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif/Gan Teik Chay in the third round. Luluk/Alven has an easier route now and should progress to the quarter-final.

Markis/Hendra face a tricky tie against the fast improving Anthony Clark/Robert Blair in the second round and possibly Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo in the third round.

The last Malaysian pair, Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock faces the second seeded Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen in the second round. Bad luck for them. The winner should face Markis/Hendra in the quarter-final.

Overall, the new draw (hopefully final one) does not favor Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Denmark themselves. I hope all the Denmark pairs are eliminated in the second round.....serves them right for launching so many protests!

[taufik-ist]

Overall, the new draw (hopefully final one) does not favor Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Denmark themselves. I hope all the Denmark pairs are eliminated in the second round.....serves them right for launching so many protests!

if almost top players are present the draw won't be easy for any player :D

[felicialim]

Overall, the new draw (hopefully final one) does not favor Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Denmark themselves. I hope all the Denmark pairs are eliminated in the second round.....serves them right for launching so many protests!

I personally think that the new draw favours the danes. They have an easier match now compared to the draw b4. LWW/CTF will be tough and more dangerous to them compared to Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock or Markis/Hendra based on their head-to-head record.(Maybe that's why they protested?)

LWW/CTF have a bad record against Chandra/Sigit although they have beaten the indons before.Moreover, LWW just recovered from his injury during Sea Games. So i think chandra/sigit stand a better chance.

[felicialim]

The organizers need an official of some sort to prevent all these redraws. 4 times is way too many for something as prestigeous at the All England.

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agree with you. it will somehow affect the players too. 4 times is too much.
In football world cup, the teams seldom lodge protests though they will face tough opponents.

[madbad]

These redraws, re-redraws and amazingly enough a re-re-redraw borders on the ridiculous. IBF, pull your socks up! :mad: You shouldn't need a country's badminton association to tell you that your seeding method was wrong. Shame on you. How can the world take badminton seriously when you have a fiasco like this, in a MAJOR, no less. Thumbs down :mad:

[seven]

IBF are really really ridiculous.
Re-draws, new scoring etc...

How can people take badminton seriously with such a governing body... :(:mad:

[indra]

IBF are really really ridiculous.
Re-draws, new scoring etc...

How can people take badminton seriously with such a governing body... :(:mad:

The badminton community should create another world body.
In boxing there are many world bodies, why not with Badminton....

Then...if there are several world bodies...we will be able to determine who is the greatest and best badminton player by holding a SUper World Championship where only the first 3 top players from each body can participate under the old scoring system...:rolleyes: ...The champion will be called " the Undisputed Super Champion of Badminton of the world.
That would be interesting....

[Loh]

LCW is without doubt on the rise..however his quality is, in my opinion, still in the middle group.

Highest level - Taufik and Lin Dan
High Level - Chen Hong, Peter
Middle Level - Bao, Lee Hyung Ill, Ponsak, LCW and all top Malaysians, Kenneth, Xia, Sony
Low Level - Ng Wei, Simon, Chen Jin, Ronald Susilo,

Just like to know how you came to such a conclusion!

On reading your further remarks as follows:

The Final will be:

IF
Sony vs LD ==> Lin Dan will win
Sony vs Chn Hong => 50:50

you actually placed Sony on par with Chen Hong, yet in your above classification you demoted Sony a level lower.

To classify Chen Jin as low level, you are not being realistic as he has beaten others to take the recent German Open crown. :D

[indra]

Just like to know how you came to such a conclusion!

On reading your further remarks as follows:

The Final will be:

IF
Sony vs LD ==> Lin Dan will win
Sony vs Chn Hong => 50:50

you actually placed Sony on par with Chen Hong, yet in your above classification you demoted Sony a level lower.

To classify Chen Jin as low level, you are not being realistic as he has beaten others to take the recent German Open crown. :D

Sony vs LD ==> 50:50 , it should be Chen Hong (in theory).
The German Open crown is the gift from Chen Hong...just like Simon's victory over Taufik in the last Indonesian open.:D If we look at the score, it is clear they did not want to take risk of spending their full energy and power to avoid injury...Chen Hong gave the chance to his junior to rise.:)

Chen Jin's style of play is average...nothing special yet...He has the potential to be one of the strong players...but not yet now...

[melinda]

Taufik is the coward:)
are they ' coward' :) ? or they're still enjoying world champion title :D

[melinda]

hooray, Taufik "the jakarta mighty duck" :)
I dont think they will be frightened, anyway Taufik can be beaten with a duck score

[melinda]

I dont think they will be frightened, anyway Taufik can be beaten with a duck score
Do you mean Taufik 'the mighty jakarta duck' :D

[indra]

Taufik is the coward:)

Coward:crying: He is getting married soon..He is a wise man...he is preparing himself to welcome his 100* big event. :D How can you call him a coward? He is the holder of the current two highest titles....:D His not participating in the recent tournaments is a blessing in disguise for other players so they can taste how it is like to be a champion...:rolleyes:

[seven]

hooray, Taufik "the jakarta mighty duck" :)

Melinda, you have posted five times on BF, each time it is (aggressive) anti-Taufik or anti-Taufik fans posts.

Don't you have anything more interesting to say? :rolleyes:
What did Taufik do to you?

Please respect
1/other players
2/other fans
this would be nice thank you!

[seven]

Coward:crying: He is getting married soon..He is a wise man...he is preparing himself to welcome his 100* big event. :D How can you call him a coward? He is the holder of the current two highest titles....:D His not participating in the recent tournaments is a blessing in disguise for other players so they can taste how it is like to be a champion...:rolleyes:

indra, if I were you I wouldn't lose my time and energy argueing... these are only childish comments full of frustration... :rolleyes:

[Loh]

Sony vs LD ==> 50:50 , it should be Chen Hong (in theory).
The German Open crown is the gift from Chen Hong...just like Simon's victory over Taufik in the last Indonesian open.:D If we look at the score, it is clear they did not want to take risk of spending their full energy and power to avoid injury...Chen Hong gave the chance to his junior to rise.:)

Chen Jin's style of play is average...nothing special yet...He has the potential to be one of the strong players...but not yet now...

China's professional players must be quite generous to 'gift' away cash prizes and titles (and world rankings to go with them). The last time, it seemed Lin Dan did a favour to Chen Hong, but during the recent German Open SF, did LD again show his generosity when he lost in 3 games? So the "fearsome" Taufik was also in generous mood when he conceded victory to Simon in the Indonesian Open and did everyone a good turn, particularly LD and Peter, by not showing up in this AE which he overtly said is his most sought-after prized possession!

But Chen Jin has beaten Lee Hyun Ill in a bruising 95-min encounter in the recent German Open, yet CJ in your opinion belongs to the bottom of the leaque when the illustrious Lee is placed a notch higher! I'm sure you must know that Lee has been WR no.1 before and he is now returning to form and should be more than a match for any! Chen Jin must have done very well despite his recent short immersion into the senior ranks and who knows how far he can proceed? Given time, will he be able to surpass even LD and Taufik? A meeting between CJ and TH in the not too distant future will be a a real treat! :D

[felicialim]

One thing that i don't understand, why Jonas/Peter get seeded *5/8, i thought they are new pair and have to start from bottom again:confused:

Yalor.I just checked the website and found out that Jonas/Peter are seeded.Don't understand at all. Other pairs with higher ranking should be seeded b4 they are seeded.

[hcyong]

Yalor.I just checked the website and found out that Jonas/Peter are seeded.Don't understand at all. Other pairs with higher ranking should be seeded b4 they are seeded.

If it is a new pairing, they take your previous results (with previous respective partners), if there are, into consideration.



Notional rankings for seeding

Explanation

When a pair is newly-formed (eg because of injury or a change in partnership), the new pair may be composed of two strong players who would in all likelihood achieve a high WR once they have played together for some time.

Notional ranking is a method to estimate the strength of such newly-formed pairs, and to seed them when appropriate.

If a pair has played together in a World Ranking tournament 12-24 months ago then they are not allowed a notional ranking.

New Pair

If a pair has no World Ranking (ie played in one or fewer World Ranking tournaments in the last 52 weeks) then a notional rating is produced by:

· taking the highest World Ranking points of each of the two players playing with other partners and dividing the number of points by the number of tournaments then adding those points together and dividing by 2. Then multiplying that sum by 10 and multiplying by 80%. The result is the pair’s notional points used to develop the pair’s notional ranking. However, a pair with such a notional ranking cannot be seeded from 1 to 4, on the basis of that notional ranking.

See example below:
A and X never played before:
A’s highest ranking is with B = 400 points in 4 tournaments = 100 points/tournament
X’s highest ranking is with Y = 300 points in 6 tournaments = 50 points/tournament

(400/4 + 300/6)/2 = (100 + 50)/2 = 75
75 x 10 = 750
750 x 80% = 600

[felicialim]

If it is a new pairing, they take your previous results (with previous respective partners), if there are, into consideration.

I see. Then it won't be any problem.