All England 2006 Day 2 (Thursday, 19 Jan)

[madbad]

The last 2 matches
KJ 8-3 Sairul
TPE girls 15-12, 15-10 MAS girls - another upset

[thiery]

Haha....I will see you in Jakarta tonight :D . I will be flying back home for CNY this afternoon.

CNY is still a week away. Why go home so early? I'm from M'sia and can't even go back for CNY as I'm in London now. Studying! No CNY this year. The most I can do is wondering around chinatown.

I really hope to go to AE this Saturday to watch the semifinal if only if m'sians players are still in the competition.

[ye333]

MEN'S DOUBLES QUARTER-FINAL

Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (MATCH OF THE ROUND)
Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui vs Thomas Laybourn/Lars Paaske
Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif/Gan Teik Chay vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo vs Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen

-- the Malaysians are on a roll....beating the no 1 and no 3 seed. I predict both pairs will win their respectively matches too tomorrow. After the scare in the second round match (nearly losing to Archer/Lindley), Luluk/Alvent should be more settled mentally and have no problem beating Mohd Zakry/Gan. They have a good chance of winning the AE title as Fu/Cai, Candra/Sigit, Markis/Hendra are already out of the competition. Choong/Lee and Eriksen/Lundgaard Hansen remain their biggest threat to the title.

Something happened to the Malay pairs that have been out of the spotlight recently? Choong/Chew was demolished by Tony/Howard in last years WC; Tazari/Lin was manipulated by Candar/Sigit like amateurs (not sure if it's Tazari/Lin, but definitely a young Malya pair) around the same time, but now they can beat Cai/Fu easily...

On the other hand, the much-hyped Koo does not seem to go anywhere, either in MD or XD...

What happened? :confused:

[ye333]

The last 2 matches
KJ 8-3 Sairul
TPE girls 15-12, 15-10 MAS girls - another upset
Well I don't think this one is an upset... The TPE girls are pretty good. In WC they almost took one set from Yang/Zhang.

[Baderz_Jas]

CNY is still a week away. Why go home so early? I'm from M'sia and can't even go back for CNY as I'm in London now. Studying! No CNY this year. The most I can do is wondering around chinatown.

I really hope to go to AE this Saturday to watch the semifinal if only if m'sians players are still in the competition.

just curios, wat's CNY???

[tutu_h]

CNY is still a week away. Why go home so early? I'm from M'sia and can't even go back for CNY as I'm in London now. Studying! No CNY this year. The most I can do is wondering around chinatown.

I really hope to go to AE this Saturday to watch the semifinal if only if m'sians players are still in the competition.

at least you can go to chinatown. i am in germany with no chinatown is even worst. i miss dried meat, mandarin(teow chiew one), .......ANG POW!!!!

[Baderz_Jas]

have to go to bed now
im just too tired c u guys

Baderz_Jas:)

[tutu_h]

just curios, wat's CNY???

Chinese New Year

[Baderz_Jas]

Chinese New Year

oh yeah
thanks c u
Baderz_Jas

[tutu_h]

.................................
On the other hand, the much-hyped Koo does not seem to go anywhere, either in MD or XD...

What happened? http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/images/smilies/confused.gif

1st. malaysia is always weak in any game to do with women. so XD is certainly out.

2nd. Koo retired from the MD coz of injury (CCM if i'm not mistaken). i think the Swiss open has shown that they r still in good form.

[rwchen]

I personally think that China and Malaysia stand equal chance to win the Thomas Cup judging at their performance in AE so far. Malaysia shows their depth in MD with 3 pairs in the quarter finals and Lee CW in the MS. It's the opposite for China, three in MS while one in MD. Let see what will happen in the next round.

[tutu_h]

I personally think that China and Malaysia stand equal chance to win the Thomas Cup judging at their performance in AE so far. Malaysia shows their depth in MD with 3 pairs in the quarter finals and Lee CW in the MS. It's the opposite for China, three in MS while one in MD. Let see what will happen in the next round.

If Indonesia meet China in the semi, then malaysia stand higher chances to get the cup.

[kwun]

anybody noticed that Malaysians tend to do better in the AE than other tournaments?

[Han]

You can't compare Choong Tan Fok/Lee Wan Wah to Choong Tan Fok/Chew Chun Eng comb, Choong/Lee is much stronger and has better understanding of one another. Further more Sigit/Chandra of 2006 is not the same as the ones in 1997 when they won their first World Championship. I think if Choong/Lee can remain healthy(very hard for veteran team) then they have good chance to win any Open.
How Tazari/Lin could beat Fu/Cai remain a mystery, I like to give Rexy credit but I think Fu/Cai most probably beat themself with tons of errors?
3 Malaysian doubles in QF sounds very impressive but don't be fool by the quantity, winning the title is what really count.
Malaysia Boleh!!!




Something happened to the Malay pairs that have been out of the spotlight recently? Choong/Chew was demolished by Tony/Howard in last years WC; Tazari/Lin was manipulated by Candar/Sigit like amateurs (not sure if it's Tazari/Lin, but definitely a young Malya pair) around the same time, but now they can beat Cai/Fu easily...

On the other hand, the much-hyped Koo does not seem to go anywhere, either in MD or XD...

What happened? :confused:

[rwchen]

I thought Lu Lan should be able to do better than losing in straights games to Pi, perhaps she was too tired after a tight match against Hwang HY in the first round.


Hmmm... the WS seedings are going according to plan with the exception of Hallam (#8). Pi HY took care of Lu Lan in easier fashion than I thought and Mia took out Jiang YJ in 3 sets. End of the road for the young Chinese girls.

[rwchen]

Not in the mid 90s I think. Perhaps, the chief coach of Malaysia, Yap Kim Hock took AE seriously. Malaysia performs better in recent years since Yap Kim Hock takes over as the chief coach. Having three pairs of MD in a highly competative field is an achievement expecially with the up and rising young pairs. Yap Kim Hock's efforts is commendable!

anybody noticed that Malaysians tend to do better in the AE than other tournaments?

[kokcheng]

Not in the mid 90s I think. Perhaps, the chief coach of Malaysia, Yap Kim Hock took AE seriously. Malaysia performs better in recent years since Yap Kim Hock takes over as the chief coach. Having three pairs of MD in a highly competative field is an achievement expecially with the up and rising young pairs. Yap Kim Hock's efforts is commendable!Agree with you.Ykh is a proactive guy.He has brought in LI mao and Rexy.Now you see some positive results from the young pairs like Gan teik Chai/zakry and LIn/Tazaari.As for the evergreen pair of CTK/LWW, they are just awesome.The one week earlier arrival of the Malaysian team to England seems to be beneficial.Kudos to Yap,may he always come out withnew strategies to put Malaysia back to the top.:)

[Han]

Unfortunately those under Misbun still perform pretty poor like Hafiz and Kwun Beng Hong, ... It may not be a bad idea to make these two players train under Li Mao as I think with a minor twick, they can become another Lee Chong Wei????
I think Hafiz is too young to play the style he's playing, very passive and way too many fancy shots ended up fooling of himself instead of his opponents. I recall Lee Chong Wei use to play that way too when he was under Misbun and now he's much aggressive using his speed and power instead of one dimensional drop and stroke rally.
Yap Kim Hock is very capable of coaching MD and yet hired Rexy to coach instead because he's open minded and now Yap should do the same thing about Hafiz and Kwan Beng Hong, let them train under different program/coach(Li Mao) and see how it goes. ( I admit I am bias to coach Li Mao and it's hard not to when you see his students achievement)
Just my opinion and hope Yap is listening :D

[abedeng]

Well I don't think this one is an upset... The TPE girls are pretty good. In WC they almost took one set from Yang/Zhang.

Yeah, after the top 4 WD pairs (3 CHN, 1 KOR), the 5th to 20th ranks from CHN, ENG, MAS, INA, THA, JPN, SIN, TPE, HOL, DEN and KOR are about the same standard. Form & fitness of the day determines results when they meet each other.

Hmm, in the 80s and 90s, we had 4 ruling MD pairs too .... Now MD is open game, anyone (even USA) can win.

[yingcheng]

OMG?! wot happen to Cai/Fu?:crying:

[abedeng]

Yap Kim Hock is very capable of coaching MD and yet hired Rexy to coach instead because he's open minded and now Yap should do the same thing about Hafiz and Kwan Beng Hong, let them train under different program/coach(Li Mao) and see how it goes. ( I admit I am bias to coach Li Mao and it's hard not to when you see his students achievement)
Just my opinion and hope Yap is listening :D

Don't know how much control Yap has over those two players, they are affiliated under Nusa Mahsuri, and are not directly under BAM. But good suggestion from you.

Just hope BAM/Nusa Mahsuri scenario does not bring Malaysia down in the end, it used to be strong before mid-90s. How else did Malaysia win Thomas Cup 1992 with bare minimum world class players and no capable reserve (even 3rd singles was a giveaway point). Before that in 1976, 1988 & 1990 they reached the final despite having only one world class doubles pair.

If you look at INA and CHN, in the years they won the Thomas Cup title, their reserves squad could by itself be good enough to mount strong challenge.

[abedeng]

OMG?! wot happen to Cai/Fu?:crying:

Mebbe coach Li Yongbo want to put them at 2nd doubles for Thomas Cup, and let Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo take 1st doubles slot. Guo/Xie looks promising, they beat both Chan/Koo and Choong/Lee last year.:D In Thomas Cup year, there are always tactical changes.

Hey, maybe Indons are doing the same for Chandra/Sigit. When the chips are down, say 1-2 after three matches, you need players who can soak pressure to rescue the tie. Like what Choong/Lee did for Malaysia in the SEA Games Men's Team final, and Lee was playing with injury.

[chibe_K]

just updated

http://www.horizon-sport.com/wb/wb3/247/05draws/110290605105ibzz155l00003.htm

CCM/KKK retired.
Cai Yun/Fu Hai Feng lost to LIn/Tanzari 3-15, 6-15


BTW, what does it mean by "retire" ? I saw the score Koo/Chan lost today at 0-10 (retired). Did one of them get injured ?

[kevin&sandy]

Japan girls won 17-15 in 92 minutes. Total 121 minutes from 2 matches they played today. Surely exhausted. And they had to meet Gao/Huang tommorrow who only play 52 minutes today from 2 matches.

wong pei tty played 142 minutes from 3 matches (1 won, 2 lost)

[cooler]

Chinese poised for badminton bonanza
Thu 19 Jan, 10:25 PM


BIRMINGHAM (Reuters) - China looked set for another All England badminton bonanza after sweeping through third round action on Thursday.

The Chinese won four of the five titles in 2005 and dominate Friday's quarter-finals line-ups.

In the men's singles, holder Chen Hong beat Malaysia's Yeoh Kay Bin 15-11 15-11 and top seed Lin Dan brushed aside Bin's compatriot Wong Choong Hann 15-6 15-5.

There was a bonus when unseeded Chen Jin, twice a world junior champion, ousted Thailand's Boonsak Ponsana 17-14 17-14.

Chen Jin now meets European hope Peter Gade of Denmark, the 1999 champion who claimed his last eight slot with a 15-8 15-5 success over Hong Kong's Ng Wei.

It was a similar Chinese story in the women's singles where world number one Zhang Ning and defending champion Xie Xingfang both negotiated two rounds on an action-packed day featuring 88 matches spread over 14 hours and six courts.


When the dust settled, Asia, headed by the Chinese, looked well placed to battle for the honours on finals day on Sunday.

Home hopes lay again with Athens Olympics mixed doubles silver medallists Nathan Robertson and Gail Emms, title winners here in 2005.


The English pair remain on course for a final with China's Gao Ling and Zhang Jun, the Chinese who pipped them for gold in Athens.

There was a sad signoff for another English doubles specialist Simon Archer who lost in the men's event with David Lindley, beaten 11-15 15-13 15-9 by Indonesian fourth-seeds Luluk Hadiyanto and Alvent Julianto.


Archer, 31, set to retire from international badminton at the end of the year, kept the door narrowly open for a 2007 return to Birmingham encouraged that a troublesome knee had held up well to recent intense competition.

He told reporters: "It's 95 percent certain that I won't be there but I have not ruled anything out and I will make up my mind after the world championships in Madrid in September."

Archer won the mixed title here with Jo Goode in 1999 and the pair went on take bronze at the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

[cooler]

just updated

http://www.horizon-sport.com/wb/wb3/247/05draws/110290605105ibzz155l00003.htm

CCM/KKK retired.
Cai Yun/Fu Hai Feng lost to LIn/Tanzari 3-15, 6-15


this is my second harping on cai/fun:

they should switch out their oldy ti-10 and get with the time :p

[Loh]

I personally think that China and Malaysia stand equal chance to win the Thomas Cup judging at their performance in AE so far. Malaysia shows their depth in MD with 3 pairs in the quarter finals and Lee CW in the MS. It's the opposite for China, three in MS while one in MD. Let see what will happen in the next round.

I must say that the Malaysian MD pairs have impressed so far, with 3 pairs making the QF. They might have filled up half the available QF slots had Chan Chong Ming (seeded 7 with KKK) not been forced to retire through injury in their match against unseeded Jung and Lee of Korea. Congrats and I think their Indonesian coach, Ricky, must have been doing a great job in such a relatively short time! :)

Lee Wan Wah again showed that he can't be written off so fast when he and old time partner, Choong Tan Fook, eliminated favourites, No.1 seed, Sigit & Candra in 3 games. It was a mistake not to have seeded Lee and Choong as this resulted in the poor Indon pair having to face them in just R2, their first match. The Indon's unfortunate tearful exit has much to do with Ricky, who must have given the Malaysian pair helpful tips in ousting the Indons so soon in the tourney.

To make matters worse, unseeded young Malaysians, Lin and Tazari, created the greatest upset by handing China's best doubles pair of Cai and Fu the most humiliating defeat with a score of 15-3 and 15-6. It appears that Fu's famous big smash was not allowed to be brought into play. :o

And to round up the most unexpected of the many upsets, Mohd Zakry and Gan Teik Chai fought out a successful long battle with 8th seed, JR and Peter Steffensen in over an hour!

Malaysian chief coach, Yap Kim Hock, will have the unenviable but happy task of deciding which pair to choose for the Thomas Cup challenge against China and Indonesia. And if Lee Chong Wei should prevail over Chen Hong today in the QF, then Chong Wei can prove his worth in the SF against Lin Dan. If another upset takes place, Malaysia will suddenly be a force to reckon with in the quest for the Thomas Cup. All the other countries will have to look up to Malaysia.

What a change of fortunes for Malaysia and if Malaysia can maintain the momentum, this will make the international badminton scene much more interesting! Then the TC will not be a walkover for China as many have predicted. I hope Malaysia will do well in this AE to change the order of things. :)

[indra]

I must say that the Malaysian MD pairs have impressed so far, with 3 pairs making the QF. They might have filled up half the available QF slots had Chan Chong Ming (seeded 7 with KKK) not been forced to retire through injury in their match against unseeded Jung and Lee of Korea. Congrats and I think their Indonesian coach, Ricky, must have been doing a great job in such a relatively short time! :)

Lee Wan Wah again showed that he can't be written off so fast when he and old time partner, Choong Tan Fook, eliminated favourites, No.1 seed, Sigit & Candra in 3 games. It was a mistake not to have seeded Lee and Choong as this resulted in the poor Indon pair having to face them in just R2, their first match. The Indon's unfortunate tearful exit has much to do with Ricky, who must have given the Malaysian pair helpful tips in ousting the Indons so soon in the tourney.

To make matters worse, unseeded young Malaysians, Lin and Tazari, created the greatest upset by handing China's best doubles pair of Cai and Fu the most humiliating defeat with a score of 15-3 and 15-6. It appears that Fu's famous big smash was not allowed to be brought into play. :o

And to round up the most unexpected of the many upsets, Mohd Zakry and Gan Teik Chai fought out a successful long battle with 8th seed, JR and Peter Steffensen in over an hour!

Malaysian chief coach, Yap Kim Hock, will have the unenviable but happy task of deciding which pair to choose for the Thomas Cup challenge against China and Indonesia. And if Lee Chong Wei should prevail over Chen Hong today in the QF, then Chong Wei can prove his worth in the SF against Lin Dan. If another upset takes place, Malaysia will suddenly be a force to reckon with in the quest for the Thomas Cup. All the other countries will have to look up to Malaysia.

What a change of fortunes for Malaysia and if Malaysia can maintain the momentum, this will make the international badminton scene much more interesting! Then the TC will not be a walkover for China as many have predicted. I hope Malaysia will do well in this AE to change the order of things. :)

Bring Rexy back to Indonesia.

[blckknght]

Yes,
Malaysia have definitely made a break through with their doubles. Much as I hope for Eriksen and Lundgaard to pull it off:-)
G

[hcyong]

Lee Wan Wah again showed that he can't be written off so fast when he and old time partner, Choong Tan Fook, eliminated favourites, No.1 seed, Sigit & Candra in 3 games. It was a mistake not to have seeded Lee and Choong as this resulted in the poor Indon pair having to face them in just R2, their first match. The Indon's unfortunate tearful exit has much to do with Ricky, who must have given the Malaysian pair helpful tips in ousting the Indons so soon in the tourney.


First of all, it is Rexy, not Ricky. Ricky was Rexy's partner during their days.

Choong/Lee were always going to threaten anyone anyway. Practically in everyone's mind, they are the current Malaysian No 1 pair, and of course Malaysian No 1's are never fairies :)

I don't agree that they should be seeded. We cannot just seed anybody arbitrarily. There are regulations pertaining to that. However, I think they should seed the top 16 and not just the top 8.

[madbad]

I must say that the Malaysian MD pairs have impressed so far, with 3 pairs making the QF. They might have filled up half the available QF slots had Chan Chong Ming (seeded 7 with KKK) not been forced to retire through injury in their match against unseeded Jung and Lee of Korea. Congrats and I think their Indonesian coach, Ricky, must have been doing a great job in such a relatively short time! :)

Lee Wan Wah again showed that he can't be written off so fast when he and old time partner, Choong Tan Fook, eliminated favourites, No.1 seed, Sigit & Candra in 3 games. It was a mistake not to have seeded Lee and Choong as this resulted in the poor Indon pair having to face them in just R2, their first match. The Indon's unfortunate tearful exit has much to do with Ricky, who must have given the Malaysian pair helpful tips in ousting the Indons so soon in the tourney.

To make matters worse, unseeded young Malaysians, Lin and Tazari, created the greatest upset by handing China's best doubles pair of Cai and Fu the most humiliating defeat with a score of 15-3 and 15-6. It appears that Fu's famous big smash was not allowed to be brought into play. :o

And to round up the most unexpected of the many upsets, Mohd Zakry and Gan Teik Chai fought out a successful long battle with 8th seed, JR and Peter Steffensen in over an hour!

Malaysian chief coach, Yap Kim Hock, will have the unenviable but happy task of deciding which pair to choose for the Thomas Cup challenge against China and Indonesia. And if Lee Chong Wei should prevail over Chen Hong today in the QF, then Chong Wei can prove his worth in the SF against Lin Dan. If another upset takes place, Malaysia will suddenly be a force to reckon with in the quest for the Thomas Cup. All the other countries will have to look up to Malaysia.

What a change of fortunes for Malaysia and if Malaysia can maintain the momentum, this will make the international badminton scene much more interesting! Then the TC will not be a walkover for China as many have predicted. I hope Malaysia will do well in this AE to change the order of things. :)

It's Rexy, not his old partner, Ricky :)

[Loh]

It's Rexy, not his old partner, Ricky :)

Thanks, I always confused Rexy with his partner Ricky, whom I have enjoyed watching for a long time. I can't forget Ricky who perhaps possessed arguably the most 'lightning' serve amongst the pros. :D

It's a pity that Rexy is not coaching Indonesia. Of course Singapore would love to have him too, I'm sure, but at the appropriate time, since we just don't have enough talent material for Rexy to work on. :o

[madbad]

Thanks, I always confused Rexy with his partner Ricky, whom I have enjoyed watching for a long time. I can't forget Ricky who perhaps possessed arguably the most 'lightning' serve amongst the pros. :D

It's a pity that Rexy is not coaching Indonesia. Of course Singapore would love to have him too, I'm sure, but at the appropriate time, since we just don't have enough talent material for Rexy to work on. :o

It was a stroke of genius on the part of the BAM to pick up Rexy. At that time he was still contracted with the BAofE but Rexy wanted to be closer to home and I guess the $$$ must have made sense to him.

Speaking of Indo coaches, SIN has just employed one, right? I think he was the one that spotted Ronald Susilo as a 10 year old. Perhaps this is the start of better things for Singapore badminton.

[badMania]

Choong/Lee were always going to threaten anyone anyway. Practically in everyone's mind, they are the current Malaysian No 1 pair, and of course Malaysian No 1's are never fairies :)

I don't agree that they should be seeded. We cannot just seed anybody arbitrarily. There are regulations pertaining to that. However, I think they should seed the top 16 and not just the top 8.

Well...Rasmussen/Steffensen were seeded...even though they are a new pair. The same goes for Jung/Lee in German and Swiss Open (even though it's a different Jung/Lee now). The moment I saw the final draw for MD, my heart sank because Choong/Lee always has good record against Indo pair. They beat Luluk/Alvent in the Indo open, Markis/Hendra in the Sea Games Team Event...and now...Candra/Sigit in the AE.

[abedeng]

The moment I saw the final draw for MD, my heart sank because Choong/Lee always has good record against Indo pair. They beat Luluk/Alvent in the Indo open, Markis/Hendra in the Sea Games Team Event...and now...Candra/Sigit in the AE.

They lost to the same 3 Indo pairs too last year. Its a matter of up and down at this level, though I think Luluk/Alvent could really do better if Luluk keeps his temper on court. He's much like Cheah Soon Kit, it's the same temper tantrum that made Soon Kit and Luluk unable to reach greatness (unlike Ricky/Rexy, Sigit/Chandra etc).

[Loh]

It was a stroke of genius on the part of the BAM to pick up Rexy. At that time he was still contracted with the BAofE but Rexy wanted to be closer to home and I guess the $$$ must have made sense to him.

Speaking of Indo coaches, SIN has just employed one, right? I think he was the one that spotted Ronald Susilo as a 10 year old. Perhaps this is the start of better things for Singapore badminton.

Yes, it makes sense for Rexy to be nearer home in warmer climes and to please his family. ;) Rexy will of course be much at home in Singapore as he is in Malaysia. We still have an Indonesian coach helping out in MD, I think. Btw, our MD is our weakest department, IMHO. :(

In my post yesterday, I relayed an introduction on our new MS Indonesian coach, 37-year-old Asep Suharno, who was hired to replace Ronald Susilo's favourite coach, Mulyo, who departed 2 years ago.

Asep has been Indonesian MS coach for 5 years and has handled Taufik and Sony during his stint, it seemed. He should be more than welcomed by Ronald as you've said and I certainly hope Asep can improve our boys in singles. Fortunately, we now have a new bunch of boys who have just completed their 'O' Levels and are willing to turn pro. Asep should be able to help them become better players. :)

Do you know more about Asep?

[hezudao]

man, Cai and Fu....what happened? sighhh

[wl2172]

OMG?! wot happen to Cai/Fu?:crying:
Cai/Fu were demolished by Lin and Tazari. I was there watching...

Cai/Fu were not injured, not playing too badly, they were destroyed. Plain and simple.

Lin/Tazari, Abdul/Gan are incredible. Breathtaking defence, counterattack, and always looking out to attack. Oh yes, they are ligtning fast as well.