All England 2006 Finals:

[kemana]

can't get tvkoo to work on my computer........ anybody has a link for pplive??? I wanna watch :crying:
http://www.pplive.com/source.shtml
pplive is here , but i can't find btv 6 there, sorry:(

[ronk]

yes , it like "北京体育台" or “北京电视台体育频道”
or"北京六台"
北京 == beijing
体育 == sports
六 == six

I can only read the 六 character :( .

[Old_African]

yes , it like "北京体育台" or “北京电视台体育频道”
or"北京六台"
北京 == beijing
体育 == sports
六 == six
What category is this BTV6 in? Mine is PPLive 1.1.0.6. I searched all the corners but couldn't find the program.

[other]

It does now -- maybe the first load was not stable and it crashed. :confused: :(

any way to set how much bandwidth to be used?

[Sammy]

you seem to be changing your location every minute.....all i have to say is unless you know what is happening behind the scenes, don't knock the players who hav given their best.....a lot of players would not be in the same shape as LWW ever since coming back from one injury after another.... if you are truly a msian, then i would suggest that you support them whole heartedly, win or lose....analyse their game but don't knock them.....

there could always be 1001 reasons for them losing......but you can be sure that they have given their best...... :) :) :)

Oh...What do we have here....a true out and out supporter here...Bravo....good for you. Hey...there are always reasons the failures especially always be the 2nd place champ. Too many times with reasons are no excuses at all. Analysis has been done Im sure but still there are always reasons to be the number 2. Way to go dude.

[Lao Liu]

well obviously for amateurs having a friendly game we should not target the weaker partner too much, whether it be the guy or the lady in XD. but these guys are professionals so its a totally different game....

i'd assume zhang jun attacked the weaker player, but its not his fault that it was the lady :p plus he relies on his pace, not on his placing so for him, so the ones with better defence are hard to get thru....

At least Gail has got her net play sorted. A bit of training on defence she will be much stronger. Does the England team have a coach who can smash as hard as Zhang Jun? Haing said that, if Nathen is not playing on court, what can you do? Take two players to win, only one plays badly is enough to loss.

[ye333]

well obviously for amateurs having a friendly game we should not target the weaker partner too much, whether it be the guy or the lady in XD. but these guys are professionals so its a totally different game....

i'd assume zhang jun attacked the weaker player, but its not his fault that it was the lady :p plus he relies on his pace, not on his placing so for him, so the ones with better defence are hard to get thru....

What I am trying to say is that, if LCW has a weak backhand, he should try to improve on it. However,
if Gail is weak at defence, part of this is due to her
gender, not her willingness to train or something.
So seems to me there is a big difference between MD, WD and XD. Why I am not comfortable watching Zhang Jun is that, whenever possible, he would smash at the girl, even when it may be better to smash at the male player.

[ronk]

You can open up WMP manually, open this URL:

http://127.0.0.1:9800

Then you can view it fullscreen, 2x, etc.

HTH.

I just tried clicking that link and it does not work. From the properties on TVkoo, the location is as you typed it -- http://127.0.0.1:9800.

No worries as I have it working now. Thanks,

Ron

[Lao Liu]

What I am trying to say is that, if LCW has a weak backhand, he should try to improve on it. However,
if Gail is weak at defence, part of this is due to her
gender, not her willingness to train or something.
So seems to me there is a big difference between MD, WD and XD. Why I am not comfortable watching Zhang Jun is that, whenever possible, he would smash at the girl, even when it may be better to smash at the male player.

Does that make Zhang Jun's game predictable? Why was English pair not using it to their advantage? Gao Ling is always expects the smash aimed at her and is ready all the time.

[other]

What I am trying to say is that, if LCW has a weak backhand, he should try to improve on it. However,
if Gail is weak at defence, part of this is due to her
gender, not her willingness to train or something.
So seems to me there is a big difference between MD, WD and XD. Why I am not comfortable watching Zhang Jun is that, whenever possible, he would smash at the girl, even when it may be better to smash at the male player.
i see your point, but sometimes the lady does have better defence than the man.

also part of XD involves trying to disrupt the opposition formation, and by smashing at the lady in order to intidimate her, she may be less confident to get close to the net and intercept etc etc making it much much easier to play

its like lance armstrong and us postal, they protect him by putting of the other riders or making it difficult for them.

[kemana]

I can only read the 六 character :( .
i didn't find btv6 on pplive, and guangdong sports is not showing badminton(which is weird to me ) maybe you should turn to TVkoo now.

[ronk]

any way to set how much bandwidth to be used?
Not that I know of.

[Trance]

Lee Hyun-Il Vs. LD right now! 2-0 for LHI

[other]

anyways lee seems very relaxed on court, while lin seems to be running around much more

lin 1-2 lee

[other]

Not that I know of.
oh well...i'll wait until i'm at home then and d/l the recordings :)

lin dan stay focused and dont mess aroud!!

[ronk]

What category is this BTV6 in? Mine is PPLive 1.1.0.6. I searched all the corners but couldn't find the program.

Look at at earlier post in this thread and download TVkoo. Look for the link above the 2000+ users (that is the Man U game). TVkoo is sharp and viewable. Only thing is full screen (not sharp) or small screen (very viewable).

Ron

[kemana]

What category is this BTV6 in? Mine is PPLive 1.1.0.6. I searched all the corners but couldn't find the program.
sorry , tried to find it myself think it's not there, sorry
i was watching from tv :(

[Lao Liu]

anyways lee seems very relaxed on court, while lin seems to be running around much more

lin 1-2 lee

I am expecting a 3-game match. Lee is a relative defensive player.

[Trance]

What the heck! A moment ago it was 1-3 Lin then after it buffered again it was 7-3 Lin lolol :p

[ronk]

LD is on a roll according to Live Score. TVkoo is lagging several points behind.

[Han]

Lee Hyun Il should do like LCW, keep the game close and give yourself an opportunity to win, ... LD leadin 8-7 now, good sign for LHI

[ye333]

Well. I am not saying Zhang/Gao won unfairly. It's a fair game. I am just
saying I am not very comfortable with their style of playing.


Does that make Zhang Jun's game predictable? Why was English pair not using it to their advantage? Gao Ling is always expects the smash aimed at her and is ready all the time.

[Wai Shing]

Lin took first game 15-7. Will Lee make a breakthrough in second like yesterday?

[Trance]

Lin took first game 15-7. Will Lee make a breakthrough in second like yesterday?

Hopefully. We want 3 sets!

[ye333]

I have said it is very subjective. for example, some people nowadays
refuse to change birdie just to annoy the opponents. For some other
people, that's not a choice. Zhao Jianhua never refused his opponents'
such requests. If you want to have a rest, let's have a rest. He paid
big price some time -- he lost. But seems he prefers loss over such tricks.
Therefore, this is just personal preference. Not a right or wrong thing.


i see your point, but sometimes the lady does have better defence than the man.

also part of XD involves trying to disrupt the opposition formation, and by smashing at the lady in order to intidimate her, she may be less confident to get close to the net and intercept etc etc making it much much easier to play

its like lance armstrong and us postal, they protect him by putting of the other riders or making it difficult for them.

[TaRaKaN]

hey guyz sorry but on the TV koo.. can u tell me the ID number of the program please? It would be easier thanks.

[w3wmfhe]

what channel is it on PPlive ??? is it on gdtv ???:D

[kwun]

What I am trying to say is that, if LCW has a weak backhand, he should try to improve on it. However,
if Gail is weak at defence, part of this is due to her
gender, not her willingness to train or something.
So seems to me there is a big difference between MD, WD and XD. Why I am not comfortable watching Zhang Jun is that, whenever possible, he would smash at the girl, even when it may be better to smash at the male player.

but that's how the mixed game is structured. there is always a vulnerability in the formation. the better pair will try to hide the lady's vulnerability and uses her strength. if robertons/emms manages to allow Zhang to smash at Emms, then it is their own fault. akin to lifting 1/2 court in a regular doubles game.

the other side of the coin though, is how strong the ladies defense is. if the lady has a better defense, then they have more of a advantage. this is the same for any event, i guess.

either point to me sounds fair. the weaker side loses, the side who gives away a lift loses.

[ronk]

hey guyz sorry but on the TV koo.. can u tell me the ID number of the program please? It would be easier thanks.

In a previous post, there is the download link. Download and install. Then look for the link above the 2800+ users (Man U game).

Ron




Originally Posted by ccskaki
Use this program to play.
http://www.tvkoo.com/update/viviplay.exe

The channel is "体育-M: 体育频道"

[bdbc74]

hey guyz sorry but on the TV koo.. can u tell me the ID number of the program please? It would be easier thanks.

id : 268435483

the 13. programm from the top

[other]

The channel is "体育-M: 体育频道"

indeed....if u cannot seeee chinese characters like me, then look for a pattern of:

*some characters* - M : *same charcters* *other ones*

not many of the names match this pattern i dont think :)

[TaRaKaN]

Thanks guyz... much appreciated =) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :D :D

[Trance]

Ouch. LD fell on a jump smash and hurt his left knee/ankle? He's all fixed up now.

Score is currently 9-5 for him.

[frosch411]

:confused: :eek: I hope LD isn't seriously injured or hampered now..

[blckknght]

arghhh Lee Hyun Il is going down like a brick... I wish Peter was playing Lin in the final...

[Wai Shing]

doesnt look like it's bothering him for now at least....he's charging for the #1 spot, 13-5

[willie]

Looks like LD put on cruise control now.

[other]

14-5 serving for match

dont try anything stupid!!

[blckknght]

Lee at least doing a good job delaying the inevitable. Larger come backs have been made, as Hoyer Larsen can confirm...

[ye333]

Lee at least doing a good job delaying the inevitable. Larger come backs have been made, as Hoyer Larsen can confirm...
Lee vs. Lin? Comeback is not possible. Lee is no superior to Lin in every aspect.

[Wai Shing]

For Lin's sake, i think he should finish this now...Lee is slooooowly crawling back lol 14-7

[other]

wooo hooo 15-7 15-7

well done!

[blckknght]

well, that's all over and done with. Lin Dan def. Lee Hyun Il 15-7, 15-7

[Trance]

It's all over. =/

Oh well, guess LCW match was the best game of MS.

[ye333]

Muscle show is going on now? :D

[ronk]

Muscle show is going on now? :D


Not on TVkoo. They cut right on to commercial time so no muscle show. Not that I care as I am male.

[ye333]

Not on TVkoo. They cut right on to commercial time so no muscle show. Not that I care as I am male.

They did not show Lin Dan salute? Lin would not like that. :)

[willie]

So, the power house sweeps 4 of 5 golds. Just wonder if any has done so (even 5 golds) in the history of AE?

[Darth Andrianus]

Right, now it's Gao/Huang vs Yang/Zhang...how exciting. I can imagine members of the audience leaving the NIA right about now.

[ronk]

Right, now it's Gao/Huang vs Yang/Zhang...how exciting. I can imagine members of the audience leaving the NIA right about now.

We want to see whether Gao can win the double. Anyway, it is either go out for lunch or watch the final doubles on TVkoo. I missed MD and XD and caught half of WS. I will stay at home and watch WD :D .

[willie]

I think they should put LD first and XD last?

[willie]

It is Yang/Zhang's turn now, Gao/Huang has won 5 in a roll.

[cxytdn]

I think they should put LD first and XD last?
If so, Gao Ling/Zhang Jun will not win in XD,Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen are so good that Gao Ling/Huang Hui can not through them without doing thier best. :)

[ronk]

If so, Gao Ling/Zhang Jun will not win in XD,Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen are so good that Gao Ling/Huang Hui can not through them without doing thier best. :)


Come on Gao Ling and Huang Sui. Make it a double for Gao.

[hcpoirot]

That's why the Chinese dominates in Badminton, regardless how bad it looks in semi or how great it looks for the opponents, Chinese will win most of the events in the final. Mental toughness is hard to teach ...

I agree with you in this. Mental strength is very important although sometimes even Chinese player under performed cause of too high expectation.

Ex: Like World Champion last year when LD lost tamely to Taufik.

But most of the time, the mental strength of Chinese payer are awesome.

LD proves again and again his mental toughness when playing in Thomas Cup in front of the fanatic Indonesia crowd as first single and still win. The most new example: From 6-13 in third set against LCW, how he claw back is way to won the third set is really incredible.

The other example: Of course its Zhang J/Gao L. At Olympiade 2004 they almost lost to British pair but they kept concentrate and won. This time in AE2006 still the same. First set they already lead 11-6 when they stuck at that point and the British closed the game with 15-12.

Second set again the Chinese lead first 13-10. But the British managed to get 4 point to 14-13. But 3 times Nathan/Gail got the cance to serve for the last point (Mean 6 serve between two of them) But The Chinese just toughen their mental and kept playing. And they won 17-14.

At the third set, the British who lost their will to play anymore. If anyone who should give up, its probably the Chinese cause twice they got past the score after leading in first and second set. But they don't give up.

The result: All England title. Really, in important final events, Zhang J and Gao L rarely lost.

Some other pairs or players had to learn tha mental. The Danish pair surely got that. Jens/Martin who lost in second set after leading far far away shouldbe the pair who had mental beakdown in third set. Instead they kept calm and play as usual and the result, The Malaysan players can't stand the mental battle and lost quickly.

[willie]

Will history repeat itself like in 2004 Olympic when Gao won the XD and lost the LD?

[hcpoirot]

Will history repeat itself like in 2004 Olympic when Gao won the XD and lost the LD?

Although I want for Gao L/ Huang to win but it will really hard.

Gao L already tired. The XD match last 98 minutes. Ater that, she got less than 2 hours rest, and now had to fight the pair who had a better record when they met?

Really hard. But I kept praying, who knows?:) First set Gao/Huang trailing 6-14

[other]

I agree with you in this. Mental strength is very important although sometimes even Chinese player under performed cause of too high expectation.

Ex: Like World Champion last year when LD lost tamely to Taufik.

The result: All England title. Really, in important final events, Zhang J and Gao L rarely lost.


also Chen Hong in SC, WC, and OG :p he is getting better now tho :)

Zhang/Gao have now won 2xOG, AE and WC (not current holders tho) hehe.....they indeed produce the goods when it counts

[ronk]

TVkoo is freezing too much. Probably everyone is logging out and there are not enough peers to support the livecast. :mad:

[other]

Although I route for Gao L/ uang to win but it will really hard.

Gao L will aleady tired. The XD match last 98 minutes. Ater that, she got less than 2 hours rest, and now had to fight the pair who had a better reacord when they met?

Really hard. But I kept praying, who knows?:) First set Gao/Huang trailing 6-14

poor huang sui she may have missed out on OG gold due to Gao playing both events:o

[blckknght]

Seeing Zhang Jun and Gao Ling still at the top of their game makes me sad that Kim Dong Moon and Ra Kyung Min gave up after the Olympics in Athens. Massive dissapointment though it was, I would have thought they would have seen themselves still capable of acheiving great things. Maybe they figured they've won the other major titles and didn't have a shot at Beijing in 2008.

[willie]

That's fine, Ra and Kim will produce Olympic gold medalist offspring, for sure.

[Darth Andrianus]

XD-wise, don't forget Lee/Lee, they are currently world no. 1 and given more time, they can also be very successful on the international stage. They may have lost this one, but I'm sure they will do well in future tournaments.

[Darth Andrianus]

Gao/Huang vs Yang/Zhang 6-15, 6-8

[ronk]

No more broadcast from TVkoo, I guess I will watch something else. The division playoffs will be showing later this afternoon.

[blckknght]

Gao Ling/Huang Sui come back to take the second game 15-11 from 6-11 down!

[Darth Andrianus]

Gao/Huang vs Yang/Zhang 6-15, 15-11. We have a comeback! 3rd set...

[ronk]

Live Score update GL/HS won the second set. It goes to the rubber set.

[hcpoirot]

OMG!!!:eek:

After lost 6-15 and trailing 6-11, I thought its over for Gao/Huang. But turn out Gao/Huang really really wanted this WD title badly. They fought back and won!

I just wanted to shutt off my computer then but now its another story :D

Go Gao! Go Huang!:D :) :D

[hcpoirot]

So waiting for the third set, I just remember whose player also had mental strength specially in Thomas Cup.

I am talking about Hendrawan from Indonesia. He played superbly to win a point for Indonesia in Thomas 2000. In Thomas 2002, he plays as third single. At that time he just recover from injury. His playing not as good as usual. In any events, he lost even to unknown European player.

But he never ever lost a point in Thomas 2002. When in final 2-2 for Indonesia and Malaysia, he had to fight against Hafiz who play really good that year. But what happen?

With his mental strength and his believe that he should not loose, he won a hard fought against Hafiz when everybody thought the Thomas Cup already in Malay hand.

That mental srength that our players lack now. Except for Taufik and Chandra/Sigit.

[Darth Andrianus]

great comeback for Gao/Huang. To be fair, a member of the Gao/Huang pair is a lot more 'warmed up' than Yang/Zhang :p:p:p:p:p:p

[Darth Andrianus]

Gao/Huang leading 3rd set 10-2. I must be dreaming!

[hcpoirot]

10-2 now for Gao/Huang. Come one! Just 5 more points!

[hcpoirot]

12-2 now! Go Go Go Go:D

[hcpoirot]

They won!! Yess!! I am happy for them. Congrat for Gao/Huang.

Can you imagine to grab a title after 7 runner up in a row? (6 runner up last year and one this year) And of course this is probably the most title they want beside Olympic gold.

And that made the 6 WD title in a row for Gao/Huang. They may not had Olympic gold but they sure are the queen of All England WD.

Turn out today Gao mental strength is unbelievable. Huang too. :cool:

[Darth Andrianus]

Gao/Huang takes 3rd set 15-2! ALL HAIL GAO LING! Oh Great One, we are not worthy of your power and your grace.

[Darth Andrianus]

What a great ending to the AE. OK, not too comfortable with the chinese domination, but great badminton nevertheless. So, when is the next major tournament?

[rhinovinda]

one more title of WD AE next year will make G/H having similar record as MS from Rudy Hartono of Indonesia (7 wins in a row).

[hcpoirot]

What a great ending to the AE. OK, not too comfortable with the chinese domination, but great badminton nevertheless. So, when is the next major tournament?

For this year? The most important one is Thomas and Uber Cup in Japan, May 2006.

But the qualification round for Thomas and Uber should be interesting toocause so many countries had improved specially in women teams.

[2cents]

For this year? The most important one is Thomas and Uber Cup in Japan, May 2006.

But the qualification round for Thomas and Uber should be interesting toocause so many countries had improved specially in women teams.

I guess he's interested in individual opens, badminton is an individual game, it doesn't make any sense for team competition, it is not football. I'm interested in who's the best in the world, and don't care which 5 players with another 5 players.

[other]

I guess he's interested in individual opens, badminton is an individual game, it doesn't make any sense for team competition, it is not football. I'm interested in who's the best in the world, and don't care which 5 players with another 5 players.

but they train together, more like football than like tennis for example. the training is usually provided by the badminton associations and organisations and they would want some of the bragging rights as well :D

and also a team event allows the whole team to win, rather than just 1 person-haha...and no match fixing claims against LYB :p

[felicialim]

So waiting for the third set, I just remember whose player also had mental strength specially in Thomas Cup.

I am talking about Hendrawan from Indonesia. He played superbly to win a point for Indonesia in Thomas 2000. In Thomas 2002, he plays as third single. At that time he just recover from injury. His playing not as good as usual. In any events, he lost even to unknown European player.

But he never ever lost a point in Thomas 2002. When in final 2-2 for Indonesia and Malaysia, he had to fight against Hafiz who play really good that year. But what happen?

With his mental strength and his believe that he should not loose, he won a hard fought against Hafiz when everybody thought the Thomas Cup already in Malay hand.

That mental srength that our players lack now. Except for Taufik and Chandra/Sigit.

Roslin was fielded in the final against Indonesia, not Hafiz.

[ponda]

Anyone wishing they could have seen a LD v PG final :( ?

[hezudao]

but that's how the mixed game is structured. there is always a vulnerability in the formation. the better pair will try to hide the lady's vulnerability and uses her strength. if robertons/emms manages to allow Zhang to smash at Emms, then it is their own fault. akin to lifting 1/2 court in a regular doubles game.

the other side of the coin though, is how strong the ladies defense is. if the lady has a better defense, then they have more of a advantage. this is the same for any event, i guess.

either point to me sounds fair. the weaker side loses, the side who gives away a lift loses.

well said. i don't buy the 'smashing to the lady everytime' tatic is unfair argument too.

[hezudao]

congrats to zhong guo dui...

[yingcheng]

Gao Ling/Huang Sui, u r my idol!!! wot a GREAT comeback? esp. after Gao Ling played a 1.5hrs exciting XD final!

itz too boring that Yang/Zhang winning Gao/Huang in every finals..
in the middle of 2nd set, everyone will think Gao/Huang will give up, but they didn't & show us an amazing come back! i can't stop myself cheering for them, although itz midnight already:p

[mindfields]

Gao Ling/Huang Sui, u r my idol!!! wot a GREAT comeback? esp. after Gao Ling played a 1.5hrs exciting XD final!

itz too boring that Yang/Zhang winning Gao/Huang in every finals..
in the middle of 2nd set, everyone will think Gao/Huang will give up, but they didn't & show us an amazing come back! i can't stop myself cheering for them, although itz midnight already:p

Yeah 2nd game was a turning point & they started to relax & play really well. 3rd gme was great entertainment though. Gao/Huang started chatting to each other & looking like they where just enjoying themselves on a club night rather than a final. Huang fell back on her bum & defended 3 shots before picking herself up & eventually winning the rally.
Yang lost interest for the last 5-6 points & the crowd was laughing as she was standing there flat-footed clearing any smashes & drops that came her way. when she had to rotate she'd not bother smashing it but stroll accross the court put a massive high clear. The last point she practically walked off the court before the rally was done.

Great entertainment overall.

[mindfields]

Oh Yeah, anyone see how LOOONNNGGG that shuttle sat on the net during the XD final? Blooming heck! :eek:

[hcyong]

Review
Watched almost the whole finals on tv, so:

1. MD - Lopsided. Only in the second half of the second set was it lopsided to the Malaysians' favour. Other than that, the Danes were dominant. A boring match to watch with many points coming from unforced errors.

2. XD - The first two sets were very good. In fact, the match of the final. Yet, the third set was a rout. Anti-climatic. Robertson should learn more about fighting spirit from the Chinese who refused to give up when facing numerous match points against them.

3. WS - Zhang Ning was not in it. Usually the final is the highlight of the WS event with the two masters pitted with each other. But, even if it streched to three sets, it was a downer for me.

4. MS - A rout. Lin Dan played much the same way as he did in the semis (the patient waiting game until he suddenly explodes into action). His defence is also almost impenetrable.

5. WD - A surprise really. It looked like Yang/Zhang were cruising when Gao/Huang came back strongly. The downside is that the rallies seem to go on forever. The defences are just so strong they should have no problems withstanding men's smashes.

[eskey]

The defences are just so strong they should have no problems withstanding men's smashes.

maybe they always practise defence with "thunder" smashes from men, like Fu Hai Feng, so Fu practise on smashes and their women practise on defence :D

[block306]

What I am trying to say is that, if LCW has a weak backhand, he should try to improve on it. However,
if Gail is weak at defence, part of this is due to her
gender, not her willingness to train or something.
So seems to me there is a big difference between MD, WD and XD. Why I am not comfortable watching Zhang Jun is that, whenever possible, he would smash at the girl, even when it may be better to smash at the male player.


Absolutely agreed with the last para. I am not saying there is anything wrong with his tactic (when I started this conversation subject). To him (and LYB or whoever for that matter), if that's what it takes to win a match, that's what they will do. All I am saying is that, it does not seem that "honorable" winning a match that way. Again, as I have pointed out before, I only noticed the Chinese XD pairs and Budiato (Indo XD) who does that. The other pairings do not seem to be employing the same tactic. :eek:

[newplayer]

Absolutely agreed with the last para. I am not saying there is anything wrong with his tactic (when I started this conversation subject). To him (and LYB or whoever for that matter), if that's what it takes to win a match, that's what they will do. All I am saying is that, it does not seem that "honorable" winning a match that way. Again, as I have pointed out before, I only noticed the Chinese XD pairs and Budiato (Indo XD) who does that. The other pairings do not seem to be employing the same tactic. :eek:

Gee, what can I say, if the other pairs are not willing to do what it takes to win,
then they don't deserve to win. We are talking about AE here, not some club
social games, there is more than national pride at stake here and we are talking
about professional elite players, if they cannot employ matching winning tactics,
then they don't have anyone but themsleves to blame. If they cannot take the
smashes, they better get off the court.

[eskey]

Gee, what can I say, if the other pairs are not willing to do what it takes to win,
then they don't deserve to win. We are talking about AE here, not some club
social games, there is more than national pride at stake here and we are talking
about professional elite players, if they cannot employ matching winning tactics,
then they don't have anyone but themsleves to blame. If they cannot take the
smashes, they better get off the court.

kind of agree with you. different people different opinion, to me if the women can't take the smashes from men then very simple, don't play XD, but play WD, definitely she can take it ;)

[kemana]

continued the game after the injury, have to admit it's respectable:)

[eskey]

continued the game after the injury, have to admit it's respectable:)

so, you took "the respect" a bit from Taufik and give it to Lin Dan? hahaha, i know you are "die-hard" Taufik's fan, aren't u?

[kemana]

so, you took "the respect" a bit from Taufik and give it to Lin Dan? hahaha, i know you are "die-hard" Taufik's fan, aren't u?
i still am :D :D just trying to be objective,hehe
but taufik is still my fav till now:)

[hcyong]

Absolutely agreed with the last para. I am not saying there is anything wrong with his tactic (when I started this conversation subject). To him (and LYB or whoever for that matter), if that's what it takes to win a match, that's what they will do. All I am saying is that, it does not seem that "honorable" winning a match that way. Again, as I have pointed out before, I only noticed the Chinese XD pairs and Budiato (Indo XD) who does that. The other pairings do not seem to be employing the same tactic. :eek:

Totally disagree. No matter what kind of doubles, it is all about attacking the person who is more vulnerable, whether in general or in a particular situation during a rally.

Also, you are underestimating the defence of the women players (we are talking about international players here). For instance, Gao Ling's defensive play equal to, if not better than, Zhang Jun's. Therefore, you may see their opponents smashing at the person on the same side of the court most of the time (or even targeting Zhang Jun).

[Wildstone]

Totally disagree. No matter what kind of doubles, it is all about attacking the person who is more vulnerable, whether in general or in a particular situation during a rally.

Also, you are underestimating the defence of the women players (we are talking about international players here). For instance, Gao Ling's defensive play equal to, if not better than, Zhang Jun's. Therefore, you may see their opponents smashing at the person on the same side of the court most of the time (or even targeting Zhang Jun).

I second that. For example, say in mens double where A has better defends than B. Would you call constantly attacking B 'dishonourable' ? No. This is the tactic of playing, it's a tactic, not a disrecpect. Same applies to mix doubles, both teams are to seek for opponents's weeknesses and make the move. That's simply tactic and how the game is played. In the end of the match both teams shake hands and hugs make everything peaceful.

[jeyel]

Tactically, to win, you have to attack your opponent's weakness. So whether it is your opponent's weak backhand, or your opponent's error prone (or weaker) partner, you should attack that. This is not a dishonourable thing.


Anyways hats off to Lin Dan. He had a good tournament and showed why he's World No. 1. However I wonder if the outcome would be different if Taufik was playing?;)

[cooler]

Tactically, to win, you have to attack your opponent's weakness. So whether it is your opponent's weak backhand, or your opponent's error prone (or weaker) partner, you should attack that. This is not a dishonourable thing.


Anyways hats off to Lin Dan. He had a good tournament and showed why he's World No. 1. However I wonder if the outcome would be different if Taufik was playing?;)

simple answer, no different, LD still win.
taufik knows that for whatever reasons, his odd of winning is slim. That's he sat out AE.

[jeyel]

simple answer, no different, LD still win.
taufik knows that for whatever reasons, his odd of winning is slim. That's he sat out AE.

Good one!:D Hope Lin Dan can take the WC this year too! Unless it's LCW he's playing, then I have to support my countryman!;)

[tehsham]

simple answer, no different, LD still win.
taufik knows that for whatever reasons, his odd of winning is slim. That's he sat out AE.

A true champion will go for all prestiges tournaments (of course unless he or she is injured), which I think AE is definitely one of them

[jermaine]

btw, any guys got video of lin dan vs lee hyn? cause i cant watch it in singapore i dont have scv... :( i want to watch it badly...

[coops241180]

simple answer, no different, LD still win.
taufik knows that for whatever reasons, his odd of winning is slim. That's he sat out AE.

come on cooler - i think it would have at least been closer - especially since lin dan had a long hard run in.. altho i expect taufik would have met him sooner..

however.. i don't think it's fair to say that he knew he didn't have a good chance. from my experience when taufik enters a tournament he usually does it to win. However it's been well documented (to the point where gill clark even mentioned it while she was commentating) that taufik is preparing for marriage.

Just because the guy doesn't want to enter loads of tournaments (heaven knows why??? with that sort of talent) doesn't mean he's scared of losing

Coops