View Full Version : Should Indonesia forget TC this year?
indra 02-19-2006, 09:20 PM I am personally concerned about the recent results of the Thomas Cup Indonesian team.
WHat has shocked me was the poor performance of my fav. player "Taufik".
However, I can understand that it was his first experience playing with the 21-scoring system.
Anyway, this is a good lesson for all Indonesian players and coaches.
I still believe that was not the real team yet.
The moment of truth remains to be seen.
Sammy 02-19-2006, 11:39 PM I am personally concerned about the recent results of the Thomas Cup Indonesian team.
WHat has shocked me was the poor performance of my fav. player "Taufik".
However, I can understand that it was his first experience playing with the 21-scoring system.
Anyway, this is a good lesson for all Indonesian players and coaches.
I still believe that was not the real team yet.
The moment of truth remains to be seen.
Indonesia still has a fighting chance to win this coming TC at Japan. They still have good doubles and their singles are still capable of defeating good players. Any hiccup from other teams will see Indonesia goes all the way.
indra 02-20-2006, 12:13 AM Indonesia still has a fighting chance to win this coming TC at Japan. They still have good doubles and their singles are still capable of defeating good players. Any hiccup from other teams will see Indonesia goes all the way.
Does the format in Japan use the knock-down system ? or round-robbin?
taufik-ist 02-20-2006, 01:26 AM I am personally concerned about the recent results of the Thomas Cup Indonesian team.
WHat has shocked me was the poor performance of my fav. player "Taufik".
However, I can understand that it was his first experience playing with the 21-scoring system.
Anyway, this is a good lesson for all Indonesian players and coaches.
I still believe that was not the real team yet.
The moment of truth remains to be seen.
indonesia still has a great chance to win thomas cup 2006, i'm glad 2 indons men doubles showed great performance, i'm sure taufik will give one point in japan :)
taneepak 02-20-2006, 01:34 AM To have a chance Indonesia must close ranks. It doesn't help if Taufik keeps having tantrums about the new scoring system. Team Indonesia must now concentrate on the new system, adjust their playing style if necessary, and move on.
aiyuuw 02-20-2006, 02:28 AM lol, it may be off topic, but a famous fortune teller in indo once said earlier this year in her "annual prediction" that "one big athlete will suffer a poor career after he/she gets married", hmm,,,,
Sammy 02-20-2006, 02:40 AM Does the format in Japan use the knock-down system ? or round-robbin?
If Im not mistaken it will be the same format as the qualifying round in India.
taufik-ist 02-20-2006, 03:11 AM lol, it may be off topic, but a famous fortune teller in indo once said earlier this year in her "annual prediction" that "one big athlete will suffer a poor career after he/she gets married", hmm,,,,
taufik will play like a hell if he's got a 'wild honeymoon' with amy :D
Bombat 02-20-2006, 03:52 AM taufik will play like a hell if he's got a 'wild honeymoon' with amy :D
lol. i guess he think about that in his match recently so he lost his concentration...
anyway Indonesia still have a big chance to bring the TC back to Indonesia.
go Indonesia.......
taufik-ist 02-20-2006, 04:07 AM lol. i guess he think about that in his match recently so he lost his concentration...
anyway Indonesia still have a big chance to bring the TC back to Indonesia.
go Indonesia.......
ina men doubles (without chandra/sigit) showed their great performance in india... good prospect for ina in thomas cup final, 2 points from md and 1 poin from ms
alloh 02-20-2006, 05:08 AM I think Indonesia had a great chance to bring back TC again. Because I believe Taufik will play greatly when in Japan. Also with the participation of Candra & Sigit.
Seems like this 2 points are granted ....
taufik-ist 02-20-2006, 06:04 AM I think Indonesia had a great chance to bring back TC again. Because I believe Taufik will play greatly when in Japan. Also with the participation of Candra & Sigit.
Seems like this 2 points are granted ....
yes... i hope ina will meet mas again... it will be interesting macth.... full thriller and tight games :)
eskey 02-20-2006, 06:05 AM Seems like this 2 points are granted ....
ahhhh....not really....especially when the scoring system is still 21
taufik-ist 02-20-2006, 06:11 AM ahhhh....not really....especially when the scoring system is still 21
not really if ina meet sia :)
Darth Andrianus 02-20-2006, 06:34 AM I think Indonesia had a great chance to bring back TC again. Because I believe Taufik will play greatly when in Japan. Also with the participation of Candra & Sigit.
Seems like this 2 points are granted ....
Wasn't WCH's career also affected for a while immediately after he got married? Maybe it is a normal thing for players to lose concentration for a few months after marriage. Candra/Sigit and the other doubles pairs are generally pretty consistent and reliable. It is now a matter of Taufik to do the job and get the third point. Sony will have to be really on fire to get any points at all and I think we can all forget about Simon winning anything at all. Alternatively, PBSI can be really crafty and send Sony to the next two tournaments and let Taufik stay at home. In this way, Sony gets more world ranking points and get a higher ranking than Taufik and so Taufik will have to play second singles. :) This might actually work better tactically...
seven 02-20-2006, 06:35 AM Should Indonesia forget TC this year? ............... I think if PBSI don't change policy Indonesia can forget about ANY title in the future!... :o:(
taufik-ist 02-20-2006, 06:41 AM Should Indonesia forget TC this year? ............... I think if PBSI don't change policy Indonesia can forget about ANY title in the future!... :o:(
yeah... but not so that radical :D
kemana 02-20-2006, 07:40 AM lol, it may be off topic, but a famous fortune teller in indo once said earlier this year in her "annual prediction" that "one big athlete will suffer a poor career after he/she gets married", hmm,,,,
it sounds more like a curse than a prediction
Bombat 02-20-2006, 07:59 PM Alternatively, PBSI can be really crafty and send Sony to the next two tournaments and let Taufik stay at home. In this way, Sony gets more world ranking points and get a higher ranking than Taufik and so Taufik will have to play second singles. :) This might actually work better tactically...
I think PBSI already though about this strategy, just like the last TC 2 years ago. However, I am sure Indonesia still can make it this year, if Taufik could focus on his games ,not the other:D :D
Sammy 02-20-2006, 09:25 PM not really if ina meet sia :)
LCW and KBH both enjoy playing the 21 points system. They'll have the edge over Indon players
abedeng 02-20-2006, 10:40 PM LCW and KBH both enjoy playing the 21 points system. They'll have the edge over Indon players
But not the doubles, MAS doubles take a while to adapt to new system, that's why we lost to Indon in TC2002 on 7 pts format.
Indons can still win TC2006, all they need is for Taufik/Sony to get back on track. Not Simon though.
Sammy 02-20-2006, 11:04 PM But not the doubles, MAS doubles take a while to adapt to new system, that's why we lost to Indon in TC2002 on 7 pts format.
Indons can still win TC2006, all they need is for Taufik/Sony to get back on track. Not Simon though.
True. Thats why MAS singles are very important and they have to kill of their opponents as soon as possible. None of them can afford to be brought into 3rd game.
indra 02-20-2006, 11:10 PM But not the doubles, MAS doubles take a while to adapt to new system, that's why we lost to Indon in TC2002 on 7 pts format.
Indons can still win TC2006, all they need is for Taufik/Sony to get back on track. Not Simon though.
I guess so, when Taufik has returned to his real performance, No country, even China, can stop Indonesia from bringing back the TC. 3 points are positive for Indonesia.
As Taufik usually performs well in the life-or-death and important match, I am hoping Indonesia is still one of the strongest candidate to win the cup.
WIth regard to Sony and SImon, I guess, we cannot expect too much from them. They are now not in the same league with their counterparts from China, Malaysia and Denmark.
Regarding the doubles...I am very optimistic that Indonesia has the strongest doubles in the world. Indonesia's first, second and third doubles are equally strong, and they are in the world league.
Regarding the Msian team performance. I dont think they are at the highest level yet. I think there is still many things that need to improved on. Their doubles players need to buck up.
I still remember last TC years back. Malaysia almost won the Cup. We expected our doubles to get some points , but it was a disaster when we lost to Indo 3-2. It costs when you lose the doubles points.
baldybodhi 02-21-2006, 08:41 PM I think..why we should expected in one person/match..
Taufik and Chandra-Sigit..
When they're lost Indonesia had no chance..
As a big fans of Badminton Indo..
I just thought this's the WORSE performance from Indonesia team..
Uber and Thomas..
We had no chance if we're just expected the winner from one person/match
I guess so, when Taufik has returned to his real performance, No country, even China, can stop Indonesia from bringing back the TC. 3 points are positive for Indonesia.
As Taufik usually performs well in the life-or-death and important match, I am hoping Indonesia is still one of the strongest candidate to win the cup.
WIth regard to Sony and SImon, I guess, we cannot expect too much from them. They are now not in the same league with their counterparts from China, Malaysia and Denmark.
Regarding the doubles...I am very optimistic that Indonesia has the strongest doubles in the world. Indonesia's first, second and third doubles are equally strong, and they are in the world league.
taufik-ist 02-21-2006, 11:19 PM LCW and KBH both enjoy playing the 21 points system. They'll have the edge over Indon players
are u sure ? :)... like in sea games :)... lcw lost to taufik and simon :)
Darth Andrianus 02-22-2006, 05:56 PM While Indonesia will be relying heavily on TH and Candra/Sigit, let us not forget that Denmark also has a very all-rounded team. PG and KJ will get the job done and Eriksen/Hansen are still an excellent pair depite their age. Man, I can't wait until TC.
taufik-ist 02-22-2006, 09:47 PM While Indonesia will be relying heavily on TH and Candra/Sigit, let us not forget that Denmark also has a very all-rounded team. PG and KJ will get the job done and Eriksen/Hansen are still an excellent pair depite their age. Man, I can't wait until TC.
pg is now a slow starter player, it's hard for pg to adjust to 21 scoring system, almost danes players are old... it's hard for them :D
seven 02-23-2006, 01:12 AM pg is now a slow starter player
I don't think so... :rolleyes:
Titan 02-23-2006, 03:26 AM it could be a Denmark-Japan finals, who knows....
tehsham 02-23-2006, 03:32 AM Regarding the Msian team performance. I dont think they are at the highest level yet. I think there is still many things that need to improved on. Their doubles players need to buck up.
I still remember last TC years back. Malaysia almost won the Cup. We expected our doubles to get some points , but it was a disaster when we lost to Indo 3-2. It costs when you lose the doubles points.
However, Malaysian players tend to perform well in team event, in the SEA Games, they won the team title but was washed out in the individual event
tehsham 02-23-2006, 03:33 AM it could be a Denmark-Japan finals, who knows....
Very interesting prediction !!!!, maybe Denmark but I think not yet for Japan
melinda 02-25-2006, 03:25 AM pg is now a slow starter player, it's hard for pg to adjust to 21 scoring system, almost danes players are old... it's hard for them :DPeter gonna smashes the living daylights out of the immature kidz;)
taufik-ist 02-25-2006, 09:53 PM Peter gonna smashes the living daylights out of the immature kidz;)
pg is 'anti - 21 scoring system' player , you know :D
peace 02-26-2006, 03:51 AM Taufik is also not good at 21-points system.
seven 02-27-2006, 02:31 AM Being against the 21-poinst scoring system doesn't mean they are bad at it!
It's only that they are against it, because it is a bad move for badminton...
byelnats 03-11-2006, 04:34 AM Relying to much on Taufik will be the downfall to Indonesia. Not that TH is unreliable, but let's face it, he is not exactly dominant. So, I think Indonesian coaches better have some back up plan for the team. Hey, who knows, that Markus Wijanu may be the secret weapon of Indonesia :D
weeyet 03-12-2006, 01:44 PM Regarding the Msian team performance. I dont think they are at the highest level yet. I think there is still many things that need to improved on. Their doubles players need to buck up.
I still remember last TC years back. Malaysia almost won the Cup. We expected our doubles to get some points , but it was a disaster when we lost to Indo 3-2. It costs when you lose the doubles points.
I am not hoping much, I just wish LWW/CTF don't repeat their mistakes.
weeyet 03-12-2006, 02:04 PM it could be a Denmark-Japan finals, who knows....
i will be very happy if Japan is in the final, more realistic the Uber Cup, i 'd love to see the super super super crazy japanese fans and girls in the stadium cheering for their team. I love the atmosphere:D
abedeng 03-13-2006, 03:07 AM I am not hoping much, I just wish LWW/CTF don't repeat their mistakes.
Yeah, even in last commonwealth games, the MAS MD failed to deliver in the mixed team competition.
byelnats 03-14-2006, 03:15 PM Yeah, even in last commonwealth games, the MAS MD failed to deliver in the mixed team competition.
This actually comes as a surprise to me. I mean, I have been expecting the Malaysian doubles to improve considerably since one of Legendary doubles players from Indonesia, Rexy Mainaky is coaching them. Pair like Koo Kien Kiat/Chan Chong Ming are still not there yet to replace Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah.
I still remember a really good pair from Malaysia, Cheah Soon Kit/Yap Kim Hock. They were one of the best in early 90's. Whatever happen after that?
baldybodhi 03-15-2006, 01:30 AM Relying to much on Taufik will be the downfall to Indonesia. Not that TH is unreliable, but let's face it, he is not exactly dominant. So, I think Indonesian coaches better have some back up plan for the team. Hey, who knows, that Markus Wijanu may be the secret weapon of Indonesia :D
i don't think so..
He's still junior to face it..
But i think it's good for him as experince..
I hope at least Indonesia will not lost in the first match..
(we have to face south of korea...oo...:( )...
baldybodhi 03-15-2006, 01:37 AM it could be a Denmark-Japan finals, who knows....
for me..it could be..
China-Malaysia
or..
China-Denmark..
Malaysia and Denmark has a 50:50 chance..
That's depend on their doubles (Malaysia) and singles (Denmark)
So..let's see..how their strategies to face it.
(but..china..maybe have a little weakness in doubles..:rolleyes: )
well, can't wait to see them...:D
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