Well, I think Indonesia has plan a head for Thomas Cup to finish fourth. This might be Indonesia plan to lose to Malaysia to stay in 4th., come to think about it.
China seeded 1st, Malaysia 2nd, Korea 3rd, Indonesia 4th. This will put Indonesia in the same pool with China and Malaysia and Korea/Denmark in the other pool. In semifinal Indonesia is for certain not going to meet China but if Malaysia finish second in the pool, Malaysia has to face China.
Indonesia will try to drop Taufik's ranking prior to TC to play number two single.
Still remember TC in Guangzhou and Jakarta, Indonesia in the same pool with China and Taufik play in 2nd single and Hendrawan 3rd single in Guangzhou. In Jakarta prior to TC Indo can't afford to drop Taufik ranking because it was to close to Olympic.
It is all in Indonesia/Christian's planing to go to TC Final.

Not sure I understood what you are saying... :o
Anyway, I think PBSI should stop its useless calculations...
After the Uber Cup disaster they should seriously reconsider their policy... :rolleyes:

How can the number 1,2 & 4 be in the same pool, leaving 3,5 and below in the other?
:D Think I see it now, China & Indonesia; Malaysia & Korea+Denmark in the other ...

How can the number 1,2 & 4 be in the same pool, leaving 3,5 and below in the other?
:D Think I see it now, China & Indonesia; Malaysia & Korea+Denmark in the other ...
It will be China and Indo in one pool. Malaysia and Korea in the other.

I don't know what you are on about, but there are FOUR pools in the Thomas and Uber Cup.
So I really don't get your point... :confused:

I had thought of the idea that Indonesia might be letting Taufik Hidayat's ranking drop far enough for him to play 2nd singles, but one of the other Indonesian singles players has to overtake him in the rankings:-) If Taufik could play second singles, of course Indonesia would have a pretty good chance of winning the second singles, whereas if he played first singles against Lin Dan, both the first and second singles would be in question.
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Actually I do not think this is a good idea. If Taufik plays
2nd single, he may face Bao Chunlai from China, or Hafiz from Malaysian. Are you sure that Taufik would win? And at the same time, Sony/Simon would lose (at least to Lin Dan) in the first singles match no matter how good their forms are. Therefore Indo can expect to get 0.5 from the first 2 singles.

However if Taufik plays first, then Sony/Simon gets serious chance to win in 2nd. So the question is, when Taufik is facing Lin Dan/ LCW, does he have a 0.5 chance to win? I think he definitely has no less chance. Let think for a while of Taufik's style. Usually he does not care that much and does not prepare much before games, so he usually loses quite a few points to his opponents at the beginning of a game. In the 21 points system, it is almost impossible to come back, so he loses. However, if you check the matches that he really cares, like the WC semi-final vs LCW and final vs. LD, he did his homework well and got a huge lead in the beginning of the game. Ntoe that if same thing happens in the 21 system, there is no chance for LD and LCW to come back. Therefore I think, assuming Taufik will be well prepared at the TC final, there is actually >0.5 chance of his winning over LCW or LD.

Another reason why Taufik should play first single. Let us assume that Candra/Sigit would almost surely take the first doubles. Thus if Taufik is first, then Indo's 2nd single has >0.5 chance to be in a 2:0 situation; While if Taufik is playing 2nd, then he almost surely would face a 1:1 situation. I think the former is a better situation for players to perform to the best.
I had thought of the idea that Indonesia might be letting Taufik Hidayat's ranking drop far enough for him to play 2nd singles, but one of the other Indonesian singles players has to overtake him in the rankings:-) If Taufik could play second singles, of course Indonesia would have a pretty good chance of winning the second singles, whereas if he played first singles against Lin Dan, both the first and second singles would be in question.
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Well, I think Indonesia has plan a head for Thomas Cup to finish fourth. This might be Indonesia plan to lose to Malaysia to stay in 4th., come to think about it.
China seeded 1st, Malaysia 2nd, Korea 3rd, Indonesia 4th. This will put Indonesia in the same pool with China and Malaysia and Korea/Denmark in the other pool. In semifinal Indonesia is for certain not going to meet China but if Malaysia finish second in the pool, Malaysia has to face China.
Indonesia will try to drop Taufik's ranking prior to TC to play number two single.
Still remember TC in Guangzhou and Jakarta, Indonesia in the same pool with China and Taufik play in 2nd single and Hendrawan 3rd single in Guangzhou. In Jakarta prior to TC Indo can't afford to drop Taufik ranking because it was to close to Olympic.
It is all in Indonesia/Christian's planing to go to TC Final.
Interesting thought there. :rolleyes: So in other words, Indonesia will try their best to try and avoid meeting Malaysia or China before the Semifinal. But IMO, any plans/strategies could still backfire if none of the players don't prepare themselves well or if they underestimate their opponents. :p

Very interesting theory, but let us not forget one thing. Indonesia just scraped past to qualify for TC at all. This really worries me, if they really planned to be fourth, then there is no reason why they should hold back for their last game. But they did genuinely lose a few games. *Gasp* can this be? TH can no longer be relied upon? If none of the singles can be relied upon to win any points, then they can forget about beating the big teams like Malaysia/Korea/Denmark, let alone China.

i'm still sure that indonesia will qualify to the final to meet china :),

2 point from md (chandra/sigit and alven/luluk) and 1 point from ms (taufik or simon santoso)

qualify to final only aa? what about winning the cup? not so sure?

China seeded 1st, Malaysia 2nd, Korea 3rd, Indonesia 4th.
How can be Denmark not seeded???

i'm still sure that indonesia will qualify to the final to meet china :),

2 point from md (chandra/sigit and alven/luluk) and 1 point from ms (taufik or simon santoso)

Not sure that I agree that Santoso can win a point against the big teams.
Not against Bao/Chen Jin/ Xia/Wong CH/Park Sung Hwan/Kaldau. He has failed too many times to deliver.

i'm still sure that indonesia will qualify to the final to meet china :),

2 point from md (chandra/sigit and alven/luluk) and 1 point from ms (taufik or simon santoso)

Indonesia may have the chance to qualify the final but may not meet China. Based on current 21 points, China may not even reach final if all 3 singles players ( likely LD, CH and BCL) playing like 2004 Olympics. And all China MD almost hopeless when playing against Denmark, Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia.

China seeded 1st, Malaysia 2nd, Korea 3rd, Indonesia 4th. This will put Indonesia in the same pool with China and Malaysia and Korea/Denmark in the other pool.
It is all in Indonesia/Christian's planing to go to TC Final.

Based on current world ranking, it could only be China seeded 1st, Malaysia 2nd, Denmark 3rd, Korea 4th and Indonesia 5th.

Indonesia may have the chance to qualify the final but may not meet China. Based on current 21 points, China may not even reach final if all 3 singles players ( likely LD, CH and BCL) playing like 2004 Olympics. And all China MD almost hopeless when playing against Denmark, Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia.

yes... china may lose to malaysia in semifinal :D

yes... china may lose to malaysia in semifinal :D

Not only Malaysia can beat China, in fact, Denmark, Korea and Indonesia also have equal chance to beat China. In 2006 TC, China is almost sure to give 2 points away in MD, if any single players ( LD, CH and BCL) play some funny games against their respective opponents means Sayonara to 2006 TC.:D

This upcoming TC is going to be a very interesting one. As Taufik plays 1st singles, he will become the primary pillar of support for his entire team. I really want to see how he will do against LD and LCW, is he really the King or not? :D Taufik aside, I wonder how Sony will do, I really hope he's in shape and that Indonesia has been keeping him as a secret weapon for the TC all along :D That would be very interesting, seeing Indonesia won the Olympics, WC and the TC straight!! Go Indonesia!!~ :D

if any single players ( LD, CH and BCL) play some funny games against their respective opponents means Sayonara to 2006 TC.:D

yes.. they can't rely on md... three ms winnings are absolute :D

I don't understand the discussion about letting Taufik drop his ranking. The decision to put player in 1st, 2nd or 3rd rest solely on the team coach (PBSI). So, there is no need for Taufik to drop his ranking.

I don't understand the discussion about letting Taufik drop his ranking. The decision to put player in 1st, 2nd or 3rd rest solely on the team coach (PBSI). So, there is no need for Taufik to drop his ranking.
They talk silly as usual. It is thee place for me to get a good Friday laughs:p Thank God it is Friday:)

LOL! Is that right Melinda? Yeah, kinda confused there, but I understand now :p.

It is entirely believable that Taufik will not play certain tournaments and Sony overtake Taufik in the rankings.

I don't understand the discussion about letting Taufik drop his ranking. The decision to put player in 1st, 2nd or 3rd rest solely on the team coach (PBSI). So, there is no need for Taufik to drop his ranking.

Well, the decision to arrange the player does not rest solely on the PBSI.
The higher-ranked player must play before the lower-ranked player.
For example, Taufik is now ranked higher than Sony, that means if Sony was to play 1st single, Taufik won't be allowed to play 2nd or 3rd. (because his world ranking is higher than Sony's)

Actually I do not think this is a good idea. If Taufik plays
2nd single, he may face Bao Chunlai from China, or Hafiz from Malaysian. Are you sure that Taufik would win? And at the same time, Sony/Simon would lose (at least to Lin Dan) in the first singles match no matter how good their forms are. Therefore Indo can expect to get 0.5 from the first 2 singles.

However if Taufik plays first, then Sony/Simon gets serious chance to win in 2nd. So the question is, when Taufik is facing Lin Dan/ LCW, does he have a 0.5 chance to win? I think he definitely has no less chance. Let think for a while of Taufik's style. Usually he does not care that much and does not prepare much before games, so he usually loses quite a few points to his opponents at the beginning of a game. In the 21 points system, it is almost impossible to come back, so he loses. However, if you check the matches that he really cares, like the WC semi-final vs LCW and final vs. LD, he did his homework well and got a huge lead in the beginning of the game. Ntoe that if same thing happens in the 21 system, there is no chance for LD and LCW to come back. Therefore I think, assuming Taufik will be well prepared at the TC final, there is actually >0.5 chance of his winning over LCW or LD.

Another reason why Taufik should play first single. Let us assume that Candra/Sigit would almost surely take the first doubles. Thus if Taufik is first, then Indo's 2nd single has >0.5 chance to be in a 2:0 situation; While if Taufik is playing 2nd, then he almost surely would face a 1:1 situation. I think the former is a better situation for players to perform to the best.

Good idea, so what Indonesia needs to do isn't drop Taufik's world ranking, but try their best to help Taufik get used to the new scoring system. Indonesia should get 2 points from Taufik and Chandra/Sigit.

While if Taufik is playing 2nd, then he almost surely would face a 1:1 situation. I think the former is a better situation for players to perform to the best.

The system used is SSSDD (Singles, Doubles).

No matter Sony or Taufik play the 1st, Indonesian most probably could only get 1 point from MS, if they play like current form.

Whether Indonesia could perform in the TC Japan, it depends on the 2nd MD, who play the last match!

As the score would be very possbily tied at 2-2 against China, Malaysia and Denmark (2 points from 1 MS and Chandra/Sigit), either Luluk/Alven or Kido/Setiawan would have to bear the extremely huge pressure, especially against the most experienced 2nd MD, Malaysian's LWW/CTF.

This upcoming TC is going to be a very interesting one. As Taufik plays 1st singles, he will become the primary pillar of support for his entire team. I really want to see how he will do against LD and LCW, is he really the King or not? :D Taufik aside, I wonder how Sony will do, I really hope he's in shape and that Indonesia has been keeping him as a secret weapon for the TC all along :D That would be very interesting, seeing Indonesia won the Olympics, WC and the TC straight!! Go Indonesia!!~ :D

Never , ever underestimate Taufik and Indonesia Team...Other players and coaches are now not sure if Taufik has really declined:D . Top players like Lin Dan, LCW, PG, Chen Hong, are those who do not believe that. They are still "trembling" when they have to face Taufik. Deep inside, if possible, they prefer not to meet him. It is true that Indonesia counts on him. If he loses, I agree, Indonesia will be hard to win the match. However, if he wins, this will double the power of the subsequent players.

Taufik has traditionally sucessfully exerted his "real power" when he is underestimated or treated as "in decline". That is his type. His rebellious nature is deeply rooted in his character. The more "humiliation" or " look-down treatment" he receives, the more interesting the TC will be. :cool:

Taufik has traditionally sucessfully exerted his "real power" when he is underestimated or treated as "in decline". That is his type. His rebellious nature is deeply rooted in his character.

Hope you're right, then INDONs can win their group, which would allow LCW to avoid Taufik.:o

but i still think the INDON would try to lost to korea to avoid CHINA not the
MALAYSIA TEAM! :rolleyes: :D

but i still think the INDON would try to lost to korea to avoid CHINA not the
MALAYSIA TEAM! :rolleyes: :D
but Korea will try to lose to Indonesia as well to avoid China.. :D

and they say china fixing matches:D

but Korea will try to lose to Indonesia as well to avoid China.. :D

I guess Korea will lose to avoid China and meeting Indonesia in SF will make Chinese players, coaches and supporters' heart jump up and down:D ...

but Korea will try to lose to Indonesia as well to avoid China.. :D

Ok, then we'll probably see doubles players playing singles and vice-versa. Maybe all the serves will go out, be faulted or does not clear the net.:D And the score will be 30-29, 29-30, 30-29 in every match.

Ok, then we'll probably see doubles players playing singles and vice-versa. Maybe all the serves will go out, be faulted or does not clear the net.:D And the score will be 30-29, 29-30, 30-29 in every match.
u mean the furthest they can go in the new point system is 30?
sorry i dunno about that :o

i'm still sure that indonesia will qualify to the final to meet china :),

2 point from md (chandra/sigit and alven/luluk) and 1 point from ms (taufik or simon santoso)

I 100% agree with you..
But that will happen if they played well
Sigit get injured and Taufik not in the top performance..
so..i'm not so sure...sorry...:(

Is denmark seeded below korea??thats a surprise becoz i think china, malaysia denmark are very close in level...as denmark have fairly strong singles players and very strong doubles, china with very strong singles and fairly strong doubles and malaysia having both fairly strong singles and doubles players...

group B will definitely be the most interesting group.
i think there's not much doubt about the results in the other groups:

A1 - China, A2 - India, A3 - Germany
C1 - Denmark, C2 - Japan, C3 - South Africa
D1 - Malaysia, D2 - England, D3 - USA

so, i can't see korea or indonesia losing to NZ without causing major uproar and controversy, but deciding whether to be B1 and meeting China in the SF or B2 and meeting Malaysia in the QF, that might be a tough decision.

i would say, i doubt Korea can beat Malaysia, so maybe B1 would be better as they can then advance at least to the SF. Indonesia, who do have a chance of taking the TC, may prefer not to meet China until the F, so may prefer to be B2.

so, my prediction for group B is:

B1 - Korea, B2 - Indonesia, B3 - NZ