Starting cross from the bottom?

[ksr2]

I saw this on Yonex new 2006 catalog. For many years recommend starting the cross from the top, they now change it to start from the bottom. Why the change now? Do you think this may help protect the racquet from breaking at high tensions? Just want to know what you think before I try it.

[DinkAlot]

Yep, the racket at the bottom is stronger than the top.

I've been stringing the cross strings from the bottom to top since I started stringing; with no problems at all. I've strung a Cab 9 at 25/28lbs. recently with no problems. I've strung an MP99 at 32/35 with no problems.

[LazyBuddy]

Yep, the racket at the bottom is stronger than the top.



However, with the weaker top, starting from the bottom will put a bit more risk to over "squeeze" the top, no? :confused: Personally, i think if using 2 pieces (4 knots) method, start from middile is still the way to go. :rolleyes:

[DinkAlot]

However, with the weaker top, starting from the bottom will put a bit more risk to over "squeeze" the top, no? :confused: Personally, i think if using 2 pieces (4 knots) method, start from middile is still the way to go. :rolleyes:

You mean the uneven distribution of cross strings? If so, no bigge. You still can start from the middle of the cross strings with the 2 knot method...when you get to the bottom cross end, just cut the string and make it a 4 knot. :D

[Pete LSD]

Due to the way my machine is constructed, I can't start tensioning the cross from the middle or the bottom.

[DinkAlot]

Due to the way my machine is constructed, I can't start tensioning the cross from the middle or the bottom.

Which machine is that? Sounds interesting. :p

[Pete LSD]

It's the Laserfibre. Can't fit the flying clamp close to the last cross string at the top: therefore, lots of tension there during tying the knot. So, I can only start tensioning from the top.


Which machine is that? Sounds interesting. :p

[DarthHowie]

It's the Laserfibre. Can't fit the flying clamp close to the last cross string at the top: therefore, lots of tension there during tying the knot. So, I can only start tensioning from the top.

but don't you own the Laserfibre TT with fixed clamps? I thought you can get away with not using flying camps when you have fixed clamps on your machine.

(I don't own a stringing machine (doing lots of research) but am very interested in acquiring a laserfibre)

[cocoman123]

Yep, the racket at the bottom is stronger than the top.

I've been stringing the cross strings from the bottom to top since I started stringing; with no problems at all. I've strung a Cab 9 at 25/28lbs. recently with no problems. I've strung an MP99 at 32/35 with no problems.

Dan

Do you use the same tension from bottom to top? Do you notice any shape changes in the head before and after?

THX

[Pete LSD]

Dan adds 2 lbs on the cross after the third cross string.


Dan

Do you use the same tension from bottom to top? Do you notice any shape changes in the head before and after?

THX

[Pete LSD]

Actually, the head plate blocks the use of the fixed clamps. So, for the last two cross strings at the head end, I have to use the flying clamps.

The fixed clamps that come with the machine are actually tennis clamps; so, they are only good for clamping the main strings! I was told by Stringway that badminton fixed clamps are available.


but don't you own the Laserfibre TT with fixed clamps? I thought you can get away with not using flying camps when you have fixed clamps on your machine.

(I don't own a stringing machine (doing lots of research) but am very interested in acquiring a laserfibre)

[DinkAlot]

Dan adds 2 lbs on the cross after the third cross string.

Yep, I add 2-3 lbs. (depending on the tension) starting from the 3rd cross string from the bottom with the two knot method and it works well. No problems. :D

[cocoman123]

In the case of 32/35 on MP99, Dan used 35# at first and 37# at the third cross until finish. Am I correct or something I missed. Does the racquet design to handle like this? Thanks again.

Dan adds 2 lbs on the cross after the third cross string.

[DinkAlot]

In the case of 32/35 on MP99, Dan used 35# at first and 37# at the third cross until finish. Am I correct or something I missed. Does the racquet design to handle like this? Thanks again.

Nope. :p 32lbs. for the main strings. 32lbs. for the first two bottom cross strings, then on the 3rd cross strings from the bottom I went to 35lbs. and thereafter.

[Quasimodo]

That's funny. I wonder what prompted Yonex to change their stringing recommendation?

To the OP: as others have pointed out, stringing the crosses throat to head is fine for high tensions. I use that pattern regularly at 30/33 on a constant pull machine with no frame breakage. The pro stringers at last year's WC strung up to 34 lbs. using that pattern on constant pulls with no apparent problems.

[DinkAlot]

That's funny. I wonder what prompted Yonex to change their stringing recommendation?

Maybe it was me. ;) :p

I told a Yonex Rep about what I did (regarding stringing) when I was buying some shoes at the WC and he said he would tell Yonex's Engineers. I thought he was joking but maybe he did. :D

[bluejeff]

Maybe it was me. ;) :p

I told a Yonex Rep about what I did (regarding stringing) when I was buying some shoes at the WC and he said he would tell Yonex's Engineers. I thought he was joking but maybe he did. :D

Next time tell him to fire the workers who does the paint jobs for rackets. There are a lot of ugly rackets from Yonex lately and they need to do something to it.:rolleyes:

[DinkAlot]

Next time tell him to fire the workers who does the paint jobs for rackets. There are a lot of ugly rackets from Yonex lately and they need to do something to it.:rolleyes:

Agree, the Ti-10, MP99, MP100, Cabs are all classy and nice. Even the NS7000 and NS8000 are good. But the NS9000 = teh yuck. :p

[s239rt]

haha actually, color is a personal thing, but if you have a chance, ONE THING for sure, please let yonex know that they should somehow improve on their paint quality. I mean yonex's paint chips way too easily.... (especially for its PRICE!!!) Recently got a Gosen 3600 and man, just by the way it looked, the paint is much stronger, have been through serveral minor clashes, and paint stays strong(no chips). However, I have to say the gosen seem to have a shiny layer on top of their color paint(I don't know too much about paints.. so I don't know if thats some kind of protective layer or is just SHINY... ). But my impression of that quality of paint is that it wouldn't chip as easy.

[taneepak]

haha actually, color is a personal thing, but if you have a chance, ONE THING for sure, please let yonex know that they should somehow improve on their paint quality. I mean yonex's paint chips way too easily.... (especially for its PRICE!!!) Recently got a Gosen 3600 and man, just by the way it looked, the paint is much stronger, have been through serveral minor clashes, and paint stays strong(no chips). However, I have to say the gosen seem to have a shiny layer on top of their color paint(I don't know too much about paints.. so I don't know if thats some kind of protective layer or is just SHINY... ). But my impression of that quality of paint is that it wouldn't chip as easy.

Gosen racquets are made in China. High end Yonex racquets will never be sent to China for spray painting, even if the spray painting quality is better in China.

[s239rt]

epak, so you are actually claiming that the better paint job on the gosen is mostly due to the better painting job in china compare to japan? Rather than yonex isn't putting as much effort on the painting part of the racket? Basically what I am trying to verify is Made in japan's racket can not has as good paint job vs China made because they aren't able to? thanks.

[DinkAlot]

epak, so you are actually claiming that the better paint job on the gosen is mostly due to the better painting job in china compare to japan? Rather than yonex isn't putting as much effort on the painting part of the racket? Basically what I am trying to verify is Made in japan's racket can not has as good paint job vs China made because they aren't able to? thanks.

I'm convinced the paint quality in China and Taiwan is better than whatever Yonex currently uses. I picked up a few 5 years old, discontinued rackets from True Speed (TS) and Fleet and the paint job on all these rackets are better and more durable than the current line of Yonex rackets.

Not just that, the TS and Fleet rackets perform well. I'm currently using the TS-100 and TS-800. They're both excellent. All ultra-high modulus. :D Gonna string the rest of them tomorrow. :p

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8051/ts012qj.jpg

[jcl49]

... Not just that, the TS and Fleet rackets perform well. I'm currently using the TS-100 and TS-800. They're both excellent. All ultra-high modulus. :D Gonna string the rest of them tomorrow. :p ...

It is an accepted fact that wine tasting is an art. Soon you will have "racquet sampling" down to an art too. Can you tell blind-folded which SOTX racquet is which? ;)

[DinkAlot]

Can you tell blind-folded which SOTX racquet is which? ;)

Only the 6, 7, 8, 9 and 8080+. :p ...:D

[taneepak]

I have visited many badminton plants in China, including the one that makes racquets for Gosen and many other European and Japanese OEM companies. I have even qc tested some of the Gosen racquets at the plant. Spray-painting is very labour intensive and requires some skill, because they spay paint a racquet many times, on places very small and not so small, one layer on top of another. That is because you fellows want multi colours, rich and vibrant.
But take it from me the best racquet is one without paint. The next best is to electroplate it with a very thin 1 micron coating. I am speaking from a racquet's performance perspective.

[YUEMOKAU]

Hi All:

This is the reply I got from Yonex regarding the new stringng instruction:

Regarding your first question about the cross string, many top
players nowadays have asked to string with higher tension.

We YONEX have studied through stringing supoport service at the
tournament worldwide and found that cross should be strung from the
bottom so that the frame will keep its shape as it is, and it will
not break easily during stringing. This is the reason why we changed
the stringing instruction.

Regarding your second question, we YONEX recommend to string with two
pieces rather than one piece. Though you can string in both ways, it
is important to keep the frame shape as it is when you string.

I hope this helps.
Best regards,

YONEX Co.,Ltd.
International Div.

[DinkAlot]

Hi All:

This is the reply I got from Yonex regarding the new stringng instruction:

Regarding your first question about the cross string, many top
players nowadays have asked to string with higher tension.

We YONEX have studied through stringing supoport service at the
tournament worldwide and found that cross should be strung from the
bottom so that the frame will keep its shape as it is, and it will
not break easily during stringing. This is the reason why we changed
the stringing instruction.

Regarding your second question, we YONEX recommend to string with two
pieces rather than one piece. Though you can string in both ways, it
is important to keep the frame shape as it is when you string.

I hope this helps.
Best regards,

YONEX Co.,Ltd.
International Div.

This is what I've been saying and advocating all along, but not loudly. :p

[taneepak]

Hi All:

This is the reply I got from Yonex regarding the new stringng instruction:

Regarding your first question about the cross string, many top
players nowadays have asked to string with higher tension.

We YONEX have studied through stringing supoport service at the
tournament worldwide and found that cross should be strung from the
bottom so that the frame will keep its shape as it is, and it will
not break easily during stringing. This is the reason why we changed
the stringing instruction.

Regarding your second question, we YONEX recommend to string with two
pieces rather than one piece. Though you can string in both ways, it
is important to keep the frame shape as it is when you string.

I hope this helps.
Best regards,

YONEX Co.,Ltd.
International Div.

Most tournament stringers use 2-point machines because of faster turnaround. With 2-point machines, which must of necessity be hold-down system, starting from the cross will distort the slimmer upper frame.
If you have 6-point machines stringing the cross from the top is better as it will give you a tighter stringbed at the top. A tighter stringbed at the top gives more power with smashes and clears.

[taneepak]

Most tournament stringers use 2-point machines because of faster turnaround. With 2-point machines, which must of necessity be hold-down system, starting from the cross will distort the slimmer upper frame.
If you have 6-point machines stringing the cross from the top is better as it will give you a tighter stringbed at the top. A tighter stringbed at the top gives more power with smashes and clears.

Correction, should read....hold-down system, starting the crosses from the top will distort.... frame.

[sudirman]

It's also recommended to start from bottom, in 2007 catalogue.
http://www.yonex.be/htmlsite/products.html

[LazyBuddy]

Isn't start in the middle, then go bottom for about 2-4 crosses, then alternate back to top for 2-4 crosses, then go back to bottom, etc is a better approach? :rolleyes:

[taneepak]

The top part of the frame is the "sweet" zone. I think Yonex's suggestion to start the crosses from the bottom does not allow you to lock in this sweet spot. Only by starting your crosses from the top and then finishing it at the bottom can do this.