2006 Thomas Cup Final Possible Line-up ...

[Scorpio]

The current Thomas Cup G5 are China, Malaysia, Denmark, Indonesia and South Korea.

My prediction about the chance of winning Thomas Cup (out of 100%):

China - 60%
Malaysia - 50%
Denmark - 50%
Indonesia - 40%
South Korea - 30%

If I am a Malaysia coach, I will see the following the probable line-up involved Malaysia (if everyone is fit to play and selected into the team)

Malaysia vs China
Lee Chong Wei vs Lin Dan (45% vs 55%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Chen Hong (45% vs 55%)
Wong Chong Hann vs Bao Chunlai (45% vs 55%)
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (45% vs 55%)
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Guo Zhengdong/Xie Zhongbo (50% vs 50%)

Malaysia vs Denmark
Lee Chong Wei vs Peter Gade (50% vs 50%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Kenneth Johasson (50% vs 50%)
Wong Chong Hann vs Kaldau (60% vs 40%)
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat vs Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (45% vs 55%)
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen (50% vs 50%)

Malaysia vs Indonesia
Lee Chong Wei vs Taufik Hidayat (50% vs 50%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55% vs 45%)
Kuan Beng Hong vs Simon Santoso (60% vs 40%)
** predict to meet in QF, give WCH a rest for SF & Final (Yes, I predict Malaysia vs China final).
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Chandra Wijaya/Sigit Budiato (48% vs 52%)
Gan Teik Chai/Abdul Latif vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Yulianto Alven (45% vs 55%)

Malaysia vs South Korea
Lee Chong Wei vs Lee Hyun II (55% vs 45%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Shon Seung Mo (55% vs 45%)
Wong Chong Hann vs Park Sung Hwan (60% vs 40%)
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Jae Jin (50% vs 50%)
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Hwang Ji Man/Han Sang Hoon (50% vs 50%)

[**KZ**]

Hafiz has a real good record against Chen Hong....but with the new scoring system it may change

[Chu Liuxiang]

If I am a Malaysia coach, I will see the following the probable line-up involved Malaysia (if everyone is fit to play and selected into the team)

Malaysia vs China
Lee Chong Wei vs Lin Dan (45% vs 55%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Chen Hong (45% vs 55%)
Wong Chong Hann vs Bao Chunlai (45% vs 55%)
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (45% vs 55%)
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Guo Zhengdong/Xie Zhongbo (50% vs 50%)



Why not Lin Woon Fui/ Mohd Fairuzizuan vs Cai/Fu ? They have better record against Cai /Fu especially during AE06, they beat the Chinese pair 15-3, 15-6, straight sets, just like playing against Nepal or Iran players. Amost sure win for Malaysia.

Lee CW should beat Lin Dan this time, he nearly make it in AE06. ( 50-50)
Hafiz vs Chen Hong ( 50-50)
Wong CH vs Bao CL / Chen Jin ( 55-45 ) ( Bao is having injury and bad form recently)
or Wong CH vs XXZ ( 45-55)
Lin WF/Mohd Fairuzizuan vs Cai/Fu ( 70-30)
CTF/LWW vs GuoZD/Xie ZB ( 55-45 )

Malaysia vs China ( 2 MD goes to Malaysia, 3 MS 50-50)

[Scorpio]

Why not Lin Woon Fui/ Mohd Fairuzizuan vs Cai/Fu ? They have better record against Cai /Fu especially during AE06, they beat the Chinese pair 15-3, 15-6, straight sets, just like playing against Nepal or Iran players. Amost sure win for Malaysia.

Lee CW should beat Lin Dan this time, he nearly make it in AE06. ( 50-50)
Hafiz vs Chen Hong ( 50-50)
Wong CH vs Bao CL / Chen Jin ( 55-45 ) ( Bao is having injury and bad form recently)
or Wong CH vs XXZ ( 45-55)
Lin WF/Mohd Fairuzizuan vs Cai/Fu ( 70-30)
CTF/LWW vs GuoZD/Xie ZB ( 55-45 )

Malaysia vs China ( 2 MD goes to Malaysia, 3 MS 50-50)

I still do not see the kind of consistency on Lin Woon Fui/ Mohd Fairuzizuan yet. Also one match does not mean everything. But one thing to note that is Cai/Fu is not a very consistent pair. One day they can beat everyone, but another day they can lose easily (just like Taufik). but 70-30 is definitely not the correct measure. It should be 45% vs 55%.

[Chu Liuxiang]

I still do not see the kind of consistency on Lin Woon Fui/ Mohd Fairuzizuan yet. Also one match does not mean everything. But one thing to note that is Cai/Fu is not a very consistent pair. One day they can beat everyone, but another day they can lose easily (just like Taufik). but 70-30 is definitely not the correct measure. It should be 45% vs 55%.

Well, maybe you are right. But we don't know if Lin/ Fairuzizuan will be selected for Thomas Cup Final Round as their preliminery round performance is not that impressive. Yap Kim Hock may want to try Gan TC/ Abdul Latif Mohd Zakry, good weapon against Indonesia Luluk/Alvin. :D But Cai / Fu is definately Chinese No.1 pair because Li Yongbo has no other choice. Even if Lin/Fairuzizuan to be selected, China vs Malaysia match may not happen if either one of them been beaten by others.:D

[Wildstone]

those stats are all useless , since new scoring system is in place for thomas cup.
Expect real surprises from thomas cup.

[cooler]

those stats are all useless , since new scoring system is in place for thomas cup.
Expect real surprises from thomas cup.

yes, this TC will be very interesting to follow up on

[seven]

China - 60%
Malaysia - 50%
Denmark - 50%
Indonesia - 40%
South Korea - 30%

That makes a total of 230%!!!

I suppose you meant something like :
China 27%
Malaysia 22%
Denmark 22%
Indonesia 17%
South Korea 12%

[Scorpio]

That makes a total of 230%!!!

I suppose you meant something like :
China 27%
Malaysia 22%
Denmark 22%
Indonesia 17%
South Korea 12%

I am using different measurement. Out of 100%, what is the percentage that a country can win Thomas Cup.

Anyway, the bottom line is China is the top favorite, followed by Malaysia and Denmark.

Indonesia ??? If I am a Indonesian, I may DREAM they are the top favorite. The good old day is already gone for them.

[seven]

I am using different measurement. Out of 100%, what is the percentage that a country can win Thomas Cup.

Yes, that's what I understood.
And this is why the total can not be more than 100%, but forget it anyway, this isn't so important! ;)


Anyway, the bottom line is China is the top favorite, followed by Malaysia and Denmark.

Yes, sure!


Indonesia ??? If I am a Indonesian, I may DREAM they are the top favorite. The good old day is already gone for them.

Yes, they are no more than an outsider now, but a very dangerous outsider however... :rolleyes:

[ronk]

That makes a total of 230%!!!

I suppose you meant something like :
China 27%
Malaysia 22%
Denmark 22%
Indonesia 17%
South Korea 12%


How about the other countries? If you want to provide probabilities, you should include something like:
China 26%
Malaysia 22%
Denmark 22%
Indonesia 17%
South Korea 12%
All other countries combined 1%

[indra]

The current Thomas Cup G5 are China, Malaysia, Denmark, Indonesia and South Korea.


Malaysia vs Indonesia
Lee Chong Wei vs Taufik Hidayat (50% vs 50%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55% vs 45%)
Kuan Beng Hong vs Simon Santoso (60% vs 40%)
** predict to meet in QF, give WCH a rest for SF & Final (Yes, I predict Malaysia vs China final).
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Chandra Wijaya/Sigit Budiato (48% vs 52%)
Gan Teik Chai/Abdul Latif vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Yulianto Alven (45% vs 55%)



I guess, the decider for the above format will be on the first Single, LCW vs Taufik Hidayat.

If this scenario happens, then Malaysia will have to leave Japan earlier.

[alloh]

yes, this TC will be very interesting to follow up on

Hahaha..... I think this TC2006 will not interest / exciting as previous TC. With this fast 21 scoring system & the format of 3 MS 1st then only follow by 2MD.
If China plays in the Final and takes 3 points on MS, then the Final might only take 1 hour ++ to complete. If so... it will become like what we watch the Boxing match live, which the boxer KO in the 1st round. We even not feel hot yet, then the match finish. :( It is totally a big different if the boxer KO at round 12.

[weeyet]

The current Thomas Cup G5 are China, Malaysia, Denmark, Indonesia and South Korea.

Malaysia vs Indonesia
Lee Chong Wei vs Taufik Hidayat (50% vs 50%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55% vs 45%)
Kuan Beng Hong vs Simon Santoso (60% vs 40%)
** predict to meet in QF, give WCH a rest for SF & Final (Yes, I predict Malaysia vs China final).
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Chandra Wijaya/Sigit Budiato (48% vs 52%)
Gan Teik Chai/Abdul Latif vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Yulianto Alven (45% vs 55%)


I think Wong Choong Hann might play in this game, as Chong Wei and Hafiz might lose the first two matches. Kuan Beng Hong will be in tremendous pressure then. It's more suitable to field Choong Hann.

and for me, I'll choose CTF/LWW to play the second doubles which very possibly could be the decider of the results.

[weeyet]

Malaysia is having great advantage this time is greatly because of we have Wong Choong Hann to play the third singles

[weeyet]

The current Thomas Cup G5 are China, Malaysia, Denmark, Indonesia and South Korea.

Malaysia vs China
Lee Chong Wei vs Lin Dan (45% vs 55%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Chen Hong (45% vs 55%)
Wong Chong Hann vs Bao Chunlai (45% vs 55%)
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (45% vs 55%)
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Guo Zhengdong/Xie Zhongbo (50% vs 50%)

is it possible to play KBH in third singles??

[weeyet]

Malaysia is having great advantage this time is greatly because of we have Wong Choong Hann to play the third singles

and he can play in doubles as well if needed

[Baderz_Jas]

Hahaha..... I think this TC2006 will not interest / exciting as previous TC. With this fast 21 scoring system & the format of 3 MS 1st then only follow by 2MD.
If China plays in the Final and takes 3 points on MS, then the Final might only take 1 hour ++ to complete. If so... it will become like what we watch the Boxing match live, which the boxer KO in the 1st round. We even not feel hot yet, then the match finish. :( It is totally a big different if the boxer KO at round 12.

Yea, i agree with you :(

[kemana]

Hahaha..... I think this TC2006 will not interest / exciting as previous TC. With this fast 21 scoring system & the format of 3 MS 1st then only follow by 2MD.
If China plays in the Final and takes 3 points on MS, then the Final might only take 1 hour ++ to complete. If so... it will become like what we watch the Boxing match live, which the boxer KO in the 1st round. We even not feel hot yet, then the match finish. :( It is totally a big different if the boxer KO at round 12.
then, let's hope this TC final will be very, very uninteresting, so that IBF will stop using this 21 point system

[tutu_h]

The current Thomas Cup G5 are China, Malaysia, Denmark, Indonesia and South Korea.

My prediction about the chance of winning Thomas Cup (out of 100%):

China - 60%
Malaysia - 50%
Denmark - 50%
Indonesia - 40%
South Korea - 30%

If I am a Malaysia coach, I will see the following the probable line-up involved Malaysia (if everyone is fit to play and selected into the team)

Malaysia vs China
Lee Chong Wei vs Lin Dan (45% vs 55%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Chen Hong (45% vs 55%)
Wong Chong Hann vs Bao Chunlai (45% vs 55%)
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (45% vs 55%)
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Guo Zhengdong/Xie Zhongbo (50% vs 50%)

Malaysia vs Denmark
Lee Chong Wei vs Peter Gade (50% vs 50%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Kenneth Johasson (50% vs 50%)
Wong Chong Hann vs Kaldau (60% vs 40%)
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat vs Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (45% vs 55%)
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen (50% vs 50%)

Malaysia vs Indonesia
Lee Chong Wei vs Taufik Hidayat (50% vs 50%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55% vs 45%)
Kuan Beng Hong vs Simon Santoso (60% vs 40%)
** predict to meet in QF, give WCH a rest for SF & Final (Yes, I predict Malaysia vs China final).
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Chandra Wijaya/Sigit Budiato (48% vs 52%)
Gan Teik Chai/Abdul Latif vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Yulianto Alven (45% vs 55%)

Malaysia vs South Korea
Lee Chong Wei vs Lee Hyun II (55% vs 45%)
Hafiz Hashim vs Shon Seung Mo (55% vs 45%)
Wong Chong Hann vs Park Sung Hwan (60% vs 40%)
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Jae Jin (50% vs 50%)
Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah vs Hwang Ji Man/Han Sang Hoon (50% vs 50%)

OMG. ur predictions r sorely based on ur prejudication or favoritism. furthermore, some of the players u mentioned were not even selected for the competition.

e.g. Gan/Latif were not selected in the squad while Lin/Tanzari were selected. http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2006/2/7/sports/13315640

e.g Peter Gade has never beaten Lee Chong Wei b4. (0-2)
e.g Lee Chong wei and Lee Hyun Il have the following records (2-4)

last but not least, China might be beaten by Indon b4 reaching the Semi if Taufik is on form (Which i really wish, cos China is the biggest great wall to malaysia now. even though if Taufik wins, the m'sia second doubles can still create an upset judging from their records).

[asphyxiate]

then, let's hope this TC final will be very, very uninteresting, so that IBF will stop using this 21 point system

:):) :) I AGREE !!!

[Baderz_Jas]

then, let's hope this TC final will be very, very uninteresting, so that IBF will stop using this 21 point system

Hey, I agree with you as well!!!:D
Let's pray for it.:p

[kemana]

:):) :) I AGREE !!!

Hey, I agree with you as well!!!:D
Let's pray for it.:p
haha, thanks for your support then:cool:
but, as far as i know, many players like the new system so far:(

[fishnet wen*yi]

haha... u know what? i dont know y many ppl seem to think indonesia wont be making much of an impact. they've got taufik= who frequently does well in MAJOR tournaments, and 3 extremely strong pairs. ino ther words, they have strong first singles as well as first and second doubles.

as for malaysia, lee chong wei, if at his best, may contribute. malaysian doubles are pretty unpredictable as well. though hafiz has dipped in form recently, wong choong han may still be reliable-- though perhaps, not against chen jin, though.

as for china, they may hav strong singles (lin dan, chen hong, chen jin) but they're doubles aren't very strong. if any of their singles players 'tumbang', highly possible for the cup to go to another team's hands.

lastly, denmark. strong first singles. strong 2 doubles. sort of like indon i suppose.

so overall=> practically unpredictable. :D

let's just predict the uber cup winners. so much easier to predict. whoop. 80% sure its china.

[weeyet]

let's just predict the uber cup winners. so much easier to predict. whoop. 80% sure its china.
hehe, I think it's 95% by looking at their unbreakable doubles:crying:

[cooler]

Chinese badminton coach names 14 players for Thomas and Uber Cup



The Chinese badminton team has picked 14 players for the coming Thomas and Uber Cup.

The other six berths in the team will be decided after selection games, said Chinese head coach Li Yongbo

The team, filled with the world's top seeds, is now going through intensive close-door training in southeast China's Fujian province. Team coaches said they have chosen the venue because the gymnasium here is very similar to Japan's Yoyogi National Gymnasium which will host the Thomas and Uber Cup.

The Thomas and Uber Cup will run from April 28 to May 7 in Tokyo. Host Japan and defending champion China have automatic spots in the finals.

Source: Xinhua

[madbad]

Chinese badminton coach names 14 players for Thomas and Uber Cup

And they are...???:confused:

[alloh]

I thought TC team only allowed 10 players?

[seven]

I thought TC team only allowed 10 players?

14 players is TC AND UC teams (probably 7 each).

[badMania]

14 players is TC AND UC teams (probably 7 each).

7 players is the minimum right? 3 singles and 4 doubles players. They still alow 3 more backup players: 1 singles and 2 doubles. That makes it 10.

As for Team Indonesia, its more or less set, with someone else replacing Taufik if he can't make it. From the look of it, he will be in Japan.

TEAM INDONESIA:
Singles: Taufik Hidayat, Sony Dwi Kuncoro, Simon Santoso, Markus Wijanu
Doubles: Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto, Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto, Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan.

[hcpoirot]

last but not least, China might be beaten by Indon b4 reaching the Semi if Taufik is on form (Which i really wish, cos China is the biggest great wall to malaysia now. even though if Taufik wins, the m'sia second doubles can still create an upset judging from their records).

The only way Indonesia and China will meet is in SF and not before SF.

[hcpoirot]

And I don't think we can predict who will win or who will lost before we can see all the participants list.

NOTE: In here, I mean is if Taufik will play for Indo Thomas team or not :D. If he play, there still a chance for us. If he didn't play, you know what it mean.

[BooYa]

I still do not see the kind of consistency on Lin Woon Fui/ Mohd Fairuzizuan yet. Also one match does not mean everything. But one thing to note that is Cai/Fu is not a very consistent pair. One day they can beat everyone, but another day they can lose easily (just like Taufik). but 70-30 is definitely not the correct measure. It should be 45% vs 55%.

Thus far, i haven't seen any players that can really perform consistently,
therefore, making all these prediction is really meaningless, from my point.
To me, all those rank within world 20 is capable of beating each other, just depending on their form on the day of the match ... so the chance is always 50% - 50%, don't u think?

[Chu Liuxiang]

7 players is the minimum right? 3 singles and 4 doubles players. They still alow 3 more backup players: 1 singles and 2 doubles. That makes it 10.

As for Team Indonesia, its more or less set, with someone else replacing Taufik if he can't make it. From the look of it, he will be in Japan.

TEAM INDONESIA:
Singles: Taufik Hidayat, Sony Dwi Kuncoro, Simon Santoso, Markus Wijanu
Doubles: Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto, Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto, Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan.

Team Malaysia :???
Singles : Lee CW, Wong CH, Hafiz, Kuan BH
Doubles : CCM/KKK, Lee WW/ Choong TF, Chew Choon Eng / Tan Bing Sheng?

In fact, Malaysia can switch LWW/CTF to first doubles and CCM/Chew CE as second doubles. I think Chew CE/ CCM still quite strong and comparable to LWW/CTF.