Right now I'm watching the China Masters.

So what do I think about the 21 points system? The whole viewing experience has been entirely ruined and not by the scoring system.

1) To hear any court noise, I have to turn up the volume a huge amount
(actually, I can't even hear the impact of the shuttle being hit. Can only hear the crowd a little bit)

2) As for the english commentary itself, I think Punch has to listen for himself and it will be obvious.:crying: :crying: To be fair, I'm not sure how much badminton knowledge the commentator has. At least she's getting the names right. Commentating is not an easy task and it's embarassing to listen to this.

This is supposed to be a 6 star tournament as well....it's obvious why TV companies don't want to buy badminton rights if it's so boring.

So, today, no atmosphere = no excitement = no appreciation = no popularity

The commentators and sound from CCTV5 are excellent. The only catch is that one must understand mandarian. The cracking sound of a birdie leaving a racquet is very clear and loud.

Cantonese is OK.

Another poor advertisement is the line judging. Mia's lost 3 points but the shuttle was been out.

Cantonese is OK.

Another poor advertisement is the line judging. Mia's lost 3 points but the shuttle was been out.

it seem all the bad line calls i been hearing favor the chinese side.....hmmm

1. xzx vs yeoh when xzx was a bit shaky
2. china vs germany MD during the deciding 3rd game

I am surprised Pete can hear the shuttle being hit so clearly.

No surprise :D. Just turn up the volume a bit. The 700 Kb/s streaming helps a lot.

i'ts confusing watching the new system in doubles game. :crying: I don't like it. the old one is better.

I agree it takes some getting used to. Would it be any easier fora newbie in badminton to understand? That's a very crucial point because changing the system is designed to increase the popularity.

Another point is the commentary. It's been mentioned that the chinese commentary has not been a problem but the english commentary has many things it can improve upon. That is a real problem because the game needs english commentary to penetrate into english speaking countries.

well...the game it self hasn't change. where is the improvement? it's still the same game, the same technique, etc etc. sure the score climb up faster than the current system, but other than that there is no change.

less technique/strategy, more power needed to win. faster game? not really. the rally still can last as long as in the old system. so punch, where is the uber-praised improvement? let just stick with the current system.

less technique/strategy, more power needed to win. faster game? not really.

No this will take months or years to become the case.
Not a good move anyway! :(

So who will volunteer to be commentators on English channels :)?

Hey, I'm all for it. I can babble on semi-coherently with the best of them.

I'd need someone to make sure I'm pronouncing the names correctly as many of the European surnames give me pause.

I found the announcing on the All Englands quite good. Sound was great and the crowd giving a big "uauuuah" as they expect a smash was cool.

Not only confusing for us who watch the match.
If the players switch their place, can the umpire know ?

In the 15 points system, we know exactly who on right and who on left side.
But in the 21 points system ... :confused: :confused: :confused:


i'ts confusing watching the new system in doubles game. :crying: I don't like it. the old one is better.

Not only confusing for us who watch the match.
If the players switch their place, can the umpire know ?

In the 15 points system, we know exactly who on right and who on left side.
But in the 21 points system ... :confused: :confused: :confused:

exactly what i have been wondering about as there is no more base player :(

Not only confusing for us who watch the match.
If the players switch their place, can the umpire know ?

In the 15 points system, we know exactly who on right and who on left side.
But in the 21 points system ... :confused: :confused: :confused:

It can be confusing if you have just switched to playing the new system. The umpire will know who is on the right or left.
For the serving side, serving after having won a point in a rally in which the opponent was serving, it is even on the right side and odd on the left. Another check is that the server, after winning such a point in a rally initiated by your opponent's serve, must not have been the previous server. This results in that you and your partner will serve alternately, whenever there is a service change from your opponents to your side.
When receiving a serve, the receiving side player who last served, which could either be you or your partner, is 'tagged' with an odd or even reference. Let us say the receiving side has an A and a B player. A&B's last serve was by B at 6 to 11, with B serving from the even side. A&B then loses a point and also the serve, bringing the score to 12-6. The opponents will then serve to A&B. As B has been tagged as even, he must stand on the even side to receive. If the opponents win the next 9 points, bringing the score to 21-6, B must be on the even side and A on the odd side all the time.
However, if the score is not as above, then B's tag can change from even to odd. Lets say B is serving from the even side with the score at 6-11. A&B win a point, the score is now 7-11. B is still serving but he moves to the odd side, serves and plays but loses a point. The serve now goes to the other team or pair with the score 12-7. Now B is on the odd side and he will not be receiving a serve from the other side; instead A will receive serve. B is given an odd tag because that was his last serve which was from the odd side.
It is really very simple. As a matter of fact if you are used to the new system going back to the old system is even more confusing.

For the serving side, serving after having won a point in a rally in which the opponent was serving, it is even on the right side and odd on the left. Another check is that the server, after winning such a point in a rally initiated by your opponent's serve, must not have been the previous server. This results in that you and your partner will serve alternately, whenever there is a service change from your opponents to your side.
so, pretend we have a mixed match between team A and team B
Ag and Am are the girl and the man on team A

at the start of the match
0-0 Ag serves from even court to Bg and A win the point
1-0 Ag serves from odd court to Bm and lose the point
1-1 Bm serves from even court to Am and lose the point
2-1 Ag serves from even court to Bm

Are those the correct people who should be serving and receiving for that point sequence?

If so, then a side does not automaticall alternate server.
If not, then the serving side does not automaticall stand at their odd and even positions based on their score when their turn to serve starts.

Or I still don't understand it because it is still confusing.
players change from odd to even? How can this be more simple than the current rules?
(where current = 3x15 as 3x21 is still experimental)

Hope this will help those who are having trouble......

[QUOTE=Neil Nicholls]so, pretend we have a mixed match between team A and team B
Ag and Am are the girl and the man on team A

at the start of the match
0-0 Ag serves from even court to Bg and A win the point
1-0 Ag serves from odd court to Bm and lose the point
1-1 Bm serves from even court to Am and lose the point
2-1 Ag serves from even court to Bm

Are those the correct people who should be serving and receiving for that point sequence?

No, you got it wrong. At 1-1 the serve goes to team B. As team B's score is 1, an odd number, Bm should serve from the odd side, not the even side. This is because when team A lost the serve at 1-1, Bm was on the odd side and therefore is tagged with an odd and Bg is tagged with an even. This tag remains until team B wins a point only when serving.

The new system does look confusing at first, but after a few double matches it gets easier. There is a way for the umpire to make sure that the players are stood in the right place, either serving or receiving. The umpire now has a “new and improved” score sheet where he/she can at a glance see who served or received last… the partner must therefore be in the other service court….

Even if the umpire gets it wrong, unfair as it may be to one side or the other, it’s no longer a fault under the new scoring system laws….

No, you got it wrong. At 1-1 the serve goes to team B. As team B's score is 1, an odd number, Bm should serve from the odd side, not the even side. This is because when team A lost the serve at 1-1, Bm was on the odd side and therefore is tagged with an odd and Bg is tagged with an even. This tag remains until team B wins a point only when serving.
OK
so when team A gets the serve back at 2-1
will it be the man serving from the even court?

Hope this will help those who are having trouble......
Thanks, that does help

"the service court of the server depends on the serving side’s score, odd or even, the same as in singles.

The players change service courts only when a point is scored while their side is serving. In all other cases, the players continue to stay in the same service court from where they played previous rally. This shall guarantee that the serve alternates between the players. "

So the current score tells you whether to serve from the odd or even court.

Say the score is 13-8. Who should be standing where?
Is there an easy way to work it out from the score alone if everyone has forgotten where they were standing (like there is in 3x15) given that you know who was odd and even at 0-0 ?

so, pretend we have a mixed match between team A and team B
Ag and Am are the girl and the man on team A

at the start of the match
0-0 Ag serves from even court to Bg and A win the point
1-0 Ag serves from odd court to Bm and lose the point
1-1 Bm serves from even court to Am and lose the point
2-1 Ag serves from even court to Bm




0-0 Ag serves from even court to Bg and A win the point OK

1-0 Ag serves from odd court to Bm and lose the point OK

1-1 Bm serves from (ODD) court to Ag and lose the point Corrected

2-1 Am serves from even court to Bg Corrected

The problem is under the new system, both can be even or odd.......

Hope this will help those who are having trouble......

Is there an english(language) version for this ?:crying:

No this will take months or years to become the case.
Not a good move anyway! :(

Sorry, but I believed it had been years already :(.

A good case of barking up the wrong tree or at best change without achieving anything :mad:.