Denmark 3:1 bt China

[cxytdn]

If we look China Master 2006 on as Thomas Cup finals, using IBF's new format for T&UC, the results should be as follows:

1st singles: LIN Dan 1:2 GADE Peter
2nd singles: CHEN Hong 1:2 JONASSEN Kenneth
3rd singles: CHEN Jin 2:0 anyone
1rst doubles: FU Haifeng/CAI Yun 0:2 ERIKSEN Jens/LUNDGAARD HANSEN Martin

China 1:3 Denmark. Thomas Cup would belong to European firstly.

[ants]

That is a good observation. However this is only a comparison between Denmark and China. How about Denmark agains't other countries?

[yannie]

If we look China Master 2006 on as Thomas Cup finals, using IBF's new format for T&UC, the results should be as follows:

1st singles: LIN Dan 1:2 GADE Peter
2nd singles: CHEN Hong 1:2 JONASSEN Kenneth
3rd singles: CHEN Jin 2:0 anyone
1rst doubles: FU Haifeng/CAI Yun 0:2 ERIKSEN Jens/LUNDGAARD HANSEN Martin

China 1:3 Denmark. Thomas Cup would belong to European firstly.

hahaha... poor cai/fu, i still believe in them *beg*

[Darth Andrianus]

That is a good observation. However this is only a comparison between Denmark and China. How about Denmark agains't other countries?

The only other problem that Denmark would have playing against would be Malaysia, but otherwise we can safely assume that if Denmark can defeat China based on the scores mentioned above, they can just about beat anyone else...

I thought long and hard about Indonesia, but I concluded that taking into account consistency (we all know who I'm talking about :)), in such a match, the odds will probably favour Denmark very slightly.

[tutu_h]

The only other problem that Denmark would have playing against would be Malaysia, but otherwise we can safely assume that if Denmark can defeat China based on the scores mentioned above, they can just about beat anyone else...

I thought long and hard about Indonesia, but I concluded that taking into account consistency (we all know who I'm talking about :)), in such a match, the odds will probably favour Denmark very slightly.

i have a different opinion

let us compare this way,

Taufik vs PG (50 50) anything can happen here
Sony vs KJ (40 60) sure point
Simom vs K something ?? (60 40) sure point

Jens E./Martin L. vs Candra/sigit (45 55) anything can happen here
Boe/Mathias or Peter.R/Thomas.L vs Alven/Luluk (45 55) anything can happen here

I would say that the result will be 3-2 or 2-3 with of course Indonesia have slight advantage against Denmark. Once again, there is not 100% prediction.

[Go Gade]

i have a different opinion

let us compare this way,

Taufik vs PG (50 50) anything can happen here
Sony vs KJ (40 60) sure point
Simom vs K something ?? (60 40) sure point

Jens E./Martin L. vs Candra/sigit (45 55) anything can happen here
Boe/Mathias or Peter.R/Thomas.L vs Alven/Luluk (45 55) anything can happen here

I would say that the result will be 3-2 or 2-3 with of course Indonesia have slight advantage against Denmark. Once again, there is not 100% prediction.
Hasn't Sony retired? but anyway... in my opinion Gade and Taufik is 50 50. KJ will difinetely beat the 2nd single of indonesia. Joachim Persson has showed his improvement by winning the five last ebu tournaments plus beating bao in AE, therefore I think he has a great opportunity to beat Simon Santoso or whoever will be the 3rd single. Also I think Jens and Martin can beat ANYONE. And Paaske/Laybourn vs alven/luluk is a 50 50. Therefore, if everything works out for Denmark they will win 5-0...

[george333]

Isn't it Jonas Rasmussen? Not Peter Rasmussen?

[blckknght]

yeah, Jonas Rasmussen not Peter - but it would be Jonas Rasmussen with Peter Steffensen, or Thomas Laybourn with Lars Paaske. Maybe the second doubles would be Boe/Mogensen, i'm not sure.

[Darth Andrianus]

yeah, Jonas Rasmussen not Peter - but it would be Jonas Rasmussen with Peter Steffensen, or Thomas Laybourn with Lars Paaske. Maybe the second doubles would be Boe/Mogensen, i'm not sure.

Oh, what a waste, why did Lars Paaske/ Jonas Rasmussen split up? Did they not get along well on-court? This was what I heard, but if they had stuck together, they would be a serious force to reckon with. Does anyone have the gossip on their splitting up?

[Viper2005]

What if:
Chen Jin 2:0 Peter Gade
Lin Dan 2:0 KJ
Chen Hong 2:0 Anders Boesen

China 3:0 Denmark......Ever thought of that?



If we look China Master 2006 on as Thomas Cup finals, using IBF's new format for T&UC, the results should be as follows:

1st singles: LIN Dan 1:2 GADE Peter
2nd singles: CHEN Hong 1:2 JONASSEN Kenneth
3rd singles: CHEN Jin 2:0 anyone
1rst doubles: FU Haifeng/CAI Yun 0:2 ERIKSEN Jens/LUNDGAARD HANSEN Martin

China 1:3 Denmark. Thomas Cup would belong to European firstly.

[tutu_h]

What if:
Chen Jin 2:0 Peter Gade
Lin Dan 2:0 KJ
Chen Hong 2:0 Anders Boesen

China 3:0 Denmark......Ever thought of that?

it has to go by ranking. Lin Dan has no choice but to stay as 1st MS player.
Chen Jin can only play as 3rd MS.

[Wai Shing]

You guys also forgetting...this isnt TC. Albeit its very tempting to use these results to foreshadow the upcoming TC, it's a different tournament. This is an individual tournament with different pressures of a team tournament like TC and SC. I think the results would be different. However, these results do look horrible for china lol, espicially after they just came out of their 50 day intense training session. Maybe Liyongbo shouldnt have encouraged the 21pt system so fast :D. Ironically, for Peter Gade, who "blasted" the new system he almost came out as the winner and finally beat his nemesis hahaha

[BMcentral]

No wonder they can get suirdman cup that easily....they cheated it~~
just like what happened between Gade and Chen Jin's game....
their own line judge cheated so Lin Dan can beat Taufik~~

Oh man, they already got 2 cups, does it really that important for them to get the third one by using some shameless method? That's making me loosing confident towards them and wish them lost in UC and TC in the first match~~~

damn those cheaters~~

[cxytdn]

haha! I think not only Chinese liners but also the others are all on side of Chinese players. Otherwise, why Lin Dan have been on the no1 place on the IBF WR since 2 years ago? You see, there are about 20 Opens (1-6 star) one year. Only two Opens are held in China, the others in other countries. Especially Indonesian liners! We all remember that China won Thomas Cup in Indonesia 2004! This Cup didn't belong to China even in China 2002! So we can know Indonesian liners more love Chinese players than Chinese liners! these countries' liners also help Chinese players win Sudirman Cup from 1995 to 2001! These countries's liners are so bad, they help Chinese players not only in three Cups, some open championships but also in World Championships, even in Olympics! these liners are worse than Chinese liners! So I think we should criticize these worse liners firstly before we criticize Chinese bad liners! Do you think so?

[BMcentral]

well i admit that china won those trophy (which held in other countries) by their own strength and through some hard work.. i am not criticizing those chinese players, but i felt unfair for other players (such as Gade) to be beaten such way. Why should a badminton superpower rely on their line judge to win at home while they can still beat anybody else in foreign matches? I admit that they EARNED their medals in olympic games and world championships, but this time, everybody (even the chinese fans) saw what happened to the match.

[It'sMeMeMe]

yes yes yes

i know what you're trying to say

lin dan has some serious consistency, thus the world ranking 1

china's ladies team has a lot of serious skills players, including the young ones, thus every ladies' events ownage + uber-cup-ownage

china's men's single team has too big a surplus of quality players that china's talented coaches can't even start to decide which to choose to field for TC

so, china's dominance over the years actually is actually caused by the huge pool of talented players + good coaches yes ? not to mention china's heritage as a badminton powerhouse yes?

so, my question is, despite all this surplus of players + powers, why in the world whould you need to cheat??? , not to mention on a tournament held in own home turf, tournament that last year hardly has any foreign player come by, tournament that is supposedly 6*, tournament called CHINA "MASTERS" HELLO?????? you're supposedly be promoting this tournament this year on how great it is, on the many top players that are playing, not a tournament where the players felt disgusted hello???

do professional players need the cheat help to be masters?

look at your situation please

you're already a badminton powerhouse

doing this kind of thing is only going to tarnish the tournament's image, not to mention some other bigger image.

if you want to point out other country's cheating, like that korea open where the players themselves complain, i'm fine with that

but remember the point is not to blame or anything, the point should always be how to be better. i don't know about you, but for me if i know what someone is doing is wrong, i probably wouldn't do it myself correct? i'll try to not follow other's bad footstep. isn't that one of confucius analect?, which China supposedly is what it is.

if you claim that we should blame those bad liners that you mentioned first, when is it going to stop? if everyone in this world thinks "everybody cheats, so i cheat too" how wonderful this world is gonna be

not to forget, china is badminton powerhouse. you cheat to be what, badminton superpowerhouse??

you have anything else to comment on this topic i'll gladly explain it to you in less-adult-like language.

[cxytdn]

Bad liners are in everywhere besides China. We can't say "unfair" just because of several bad liners, otherwise so many "unfairs" in the badminton competitions, e.g. Chen Hong Vs Lee Chong Wei in All England Semifinals (Chen lead Lee 13:8 in second game at that time)and so on. If Chinese liners really want to "get rid of" Gade, they needn't do it in Finals, they can do it in seminfinals to let Lin Dan come into final (Lin 1:2 Gade, decisive game score 19:21). I think these bad liners are just unprofessional - I saw a post on ChinaBadminton that said these liners are just sophomore or junior.

[It'sMeMeMe]

well i admit that china won those trophy (which held in other countries) by their own strength and through some hard work.. i am not criticizing those chinese players, but i felt unfair for other players (such as Gade) to be beaten such way. Why should a badminton superpower rely on their line judge to win at home while they can still beat anybody else in foreign matches? I admit that they EARNED their medals in olympic games and world championships, but this time, everybody (even the chinese fans) saw what happened to the match.

not to mention during that peter chenjin game 1 match last ball, chen jin 'followed' that controversial ball until it lands. and if you see his face reaction right after the shuttle landed, it's clear that he saw the ball was good but 1 second later called out, lol what a good job by the less-brain tournament organizer and officials

excellent tournament marred by stupid calls throughout the tournament. where's your face, no shame as a badminton 'powerhouse'

[It'sMeMeMe]

Bad liners are in everywhere besides China. We can't say "unfair" just because of several bad liners, otherwise so many "unfairs" in the badminton competitions, e.g. Chen Hong Vs Lee Chong Wei in All England Semifinals (Chen lead Lee 13:8 in second game at that time)and so on. If Chinese liners really want to "get rid of" Gade, they needn't do it in Finals, they can do it in seminfinals to let Lin Dan come into final (Lin 1:2 Gade, decisive game score 19:21). I think these bad liners are just unprofessional - I saw a post on ChinaBadminton that said these liners are just sophomore or junior.

unfair is when you want to be treated equally but you're not getting it
cheating is when it's clearly in called out. cheating is when you rob 1 or 2 or 3 points away from somebody where in fact, those 1 or 2 or 3 points can decide whether you win or lose

oh yeah, and if somebody propose a theory that it's simply because the line judges are just unprofessional or just plain college kiddies, hello????? it's 6* event. the organizer is sleeping????? look at the prize money, look at the sponsors, dude i can't believe somebody would actually give this as a reason

[cxytdn]

你不用说了，我已经明白了，你就是一中国人，你用的英语完全是中国式的英语。不知道你注册这么多id还冒充 什么加利福尼亚或美国有什么意义？本来就是个别司线员的问题你却非要上升到中国羽毛球搞欺骗上来，这有趣儿 吗？中国羽毛球有必要这么搞吗？退一万步说，不就是一个公开赛吗，又不是汤尤杯、世锦赛、奥运会，中国有必 要这么处心积虑吗？司线误判哪里都会出现，人家外国朋友都并不太在意这些事儿，却偏偏有一些国人拿此大造声 势，什么居心？你在中羽网上说一说也就罢了，还拿到这里造谣生事，以抹黑中国羽毛球为能事，你不觉得丢人吗 ？！你纯粹是一个民族败类！

顺便说一下，你的ip应该最说明你的身份而不是id。

[Wildstone]

first of all, please only post in english.

Second of all, your post shows your immaturity.

Your are not arguing on the facts and points any more, rather personally attacking on a particular person.

Think about it, if you want to have discussion, do it like a grown up, not starting to say immature things when you have run out of valid points.

[cxytdn]

first of all, can you read Chinese? If you can, please point out which words are "immaturity"? If you can't, you are just showing your immaturity.

Second of all, like your writtings above, we should argue on the facts and points instead of attacking on a particular badminton association etc.

Think about it, if you want to have discussion, do it like a grown up, not starting to say immature things when you have run out of valid points.

[tutu_h]

this topic is getting worse. rn't we supposed to discuss about the TC line up prediction?

[Go Gade]

What if:
Chen Jin 2:0 Peter Gade
Lin Dan 2:0 KJ
Chen Hong 2:0 Anders Boesen

China 3:0 Denmark......Ever thought of that?
First of all, Chen Jin won't beat Gade. I know he beated him in china masters. But if saw gade play, you could see how exhausted he was. I think he played only one or two smashes in the hole match. And Secondly Anders Boesen isn't playing for the national team any more. He joined the IBA one year ago.

[tino4]

not to mention during that peter chenjin game 1 match last ball, chen jin 'followed' that controversial ball until it lands. and if you see his face reaction right after the shuttle landed, it's clear that he saw the ball was good but 1 second later called out, lol what a good job by the less-brain tournament organizer and officials


can a player overrule the decision of liners and just give a point to his opponent ? just like in tenis....
has anyone in the badminton circus ever done that before?

[Wildstone]

v
first of all, can you read Chinese? If you can, please point out which words are "immaturity"? If you can't, you are just showing your immaturity.

Second of all, like your writtings above, we should argue on the facts and points instead of attacking on a particular badminton association etc.

Think about it, if you want to have discussion, do it like a grown up, not starting to say immature things when you have run out of valid points.

Yes I can read chinese. In the post you were attacking It'sMeMeMe all sorts of stuff. You want me to point out which words are "immaturity" ? well plenty I'll just take an obvious one : " 你纯粹是一个民族败类 " . How's that ?

In a discussion do not attack, if you disagree just say out your points.
I see that you pointed out that the unfair calls has nothing to do with the badminton association of china, I tend to agree with that. I myself also think that the unfair calls are the individual's fault, not the whole association. However, the 6th star organizer is somehow responsible to make sure this thing happens less (for example hire a more experience line judge or swap line judges who are suspicious on calling unfair judgement etc)... just point out what you want to say and do not personal attack on the poster.

知道吗？不要人身攻击，成熟点。

[Wildstone]

can a player overrule the decision of liners and just give a point to his opponent ? just like in tenis....
has anyone in the badminton circus ever done that before?

I don't think a player can. However, the player can show sportmanship by telling the umpire that " I think it's landed in. " Though in most cases the umpire will not overrule the decision, but this earns your opponent's respect. If you can remember chandra wijaya did this in Malaysia Open final 2005 against Fu/Cai. He smashed out (slightly out) but the line judge called good (and in my opinion that was a tough call, the smash was real fast and the shuttle was real close to be landed in), chandra approached the umpire and said " it was out ". The umpire did not honour the chinese the point but this shows how sporting chandra is.

[cxytdn]

I don't think that I look on "It'sMeMeMe" as a 民族败类 is "人身攻击", because it's ture. Anyone can say the fact and should say the fact. I think you should distinguish the different between the fact and "人身攻击".

知道吗？说别人在进行人身攻击本身也脱不了人身攻击的嫌疑，成熟点吧，不要轻易说别人人身攻击这类话。此外 这个话题就到这里吧，这实在于我的主贴无关。

[tino4]

wow...i didn't know that...
chandra wijaya was/is always my fav player...
and after you said that.. i have more respect to chandra....


I don't think a player can. However, the player can show sportmanship by telling the umpire that " I think it's landed in. " Though in most cases the umpire will not overrule the decision, but this earns your opponent's respect. If you can remember chandra wijaya did this in Malaysia Open final 2005 against Fu/Cai. He smashed out (slightly out) but the line judge called good (and in my opinion that was a tough call, the smash was real fast and the shuttle was real close to be landed in), chandra approached the umpire and said " it was out ". The umpire did not honour the chinese the point but this shows how sporting chandra is.

[BMcentral]

why not just lock this threat and stop all those useless spams~~

[BMcentral]

THis thread is getting nowhere....it seems like that people are getting more and more aggressive... please...kwun...let this stop~~~

[kwun]

thread closed.

i strongly urge that thread participants take a step back and calm down. this can be a controversial issue where there will be opposing opinions on it. it is, however, unlikely that we will ever find out what is the real truth (if there is one).

i frankly don't mind discussions on it. but only if it is conducted in a civil manner: respect what each other have to say and think about each others viewpoints. i hope that can happen in the future.