:crying:
i red a bad news today.
taufik hidayat got back injury, and team are ready to play sony as 1st single

If Taufik will not come to the TC, it means that Indonesia will have smaller chance to win the TC. Sony is not yet mentally mature, I believe. Simon is even worst. So, this is really a bad news for Indonesia.

:crying:
i red a bad news today.
taufik hidayat got back injury, and team are ready to play sony as 1st single

Too much nookie :D

Too much nookie :D


Too much? There's no such thing!

What was the last major tournament Taufik played in? must have been a long time ago.

Too much? There's no such thing!


You're right, I stand corrected. Maybe he's just plain pussy-whipped :p

If memory serves me right, I don't think he's played in a tournament this year yet. He didn't play the All-England nor any of the lead-up Euro tournaments (Swiss, German)

Very bad news for Indonesia indeed. I would go so far as to say that this reduces Indonesias chances of winning the trophy to virtually nil. Taufik was the key.

Where did you read this? Was it an official source?

Very bad news for Indonesia indeed. I would go so far as to say that this reduces Indonesias chances of winning the trophy to virtually nil. Taufik was the key.

Where did you read this? Was it an official source?

"Sony is being prepared to be the first singles" -- that is the headline in Kompas today. Apparently, Taufik has pulled his back muscles during training last week and the doctors advised him to rest and undergo some theraphy.

I think ever since the victory in Aneheim, you could almost sense that Taufik is no longer interested in competing anymore. He only competed in Indonesian Open and Hong Kong Open, losing out in the early rounds to Simon and WCH respectively. He then pulled out of the China Open right after losing in HK, claiming stomach injury. Then, he played only in the team competition of the SEA Games in December, winning all matches, including a straight set victory against LCW. Unfortunately, that did not help at all because Malaysia eventually triumped.

At the beginning of this year, he announced that he was preparing for his wedding and pulled out of the Swiss and All England Opens. The last tournament he competed in was the Asian qualifying phase of the Thomas Cup, winning one and losing two matches (against Boonsak and LCW).

With Taufik almost certain to be out of the Thomas Cup Finals, that goes Indonesia's chance of winning the trophy back, especially if they are going to stick to the 3-singles, then 2-doubles format. Sony, Simon, and Markus Wijanu is of no match even to Korea's Lee Hyun Il, Shon Sheing Mo, and Park Sung Hwan. I will foresee them ending up as second in the group and then win one more match in the playoff, before succumbing to Malaysia in the quarter-final. Unless of course, there is a big miracle and all 3 singles play their best form in all the matches.

I think this is the strategy of PBSI. Taufik always play in 2nd Singles in the past TC. I think PBSI also not very confident that Taufik could win the 1st point, that's why PBSI always let Taufik plays in 2nd Singles. Furthermore with this 21 scoring system, it is very unconfirmed that Taufik could beat any team's 1st singles (LD, LCW, LHI, PG). He even lost to Bonsak Ponsana recently.... but Bonsak also a great player, never under estimate on him :)
From my opinion, if Taufik plays in 2nd singles then Indonesian Team will only have better chances.

Please remember, Taufik is not undefeated.... no one either in badminton ~! :cool:

"Sony is being prepared to be the first singles" -- that is the headline in Kompas today. Apparently, Taufik has pulled his back muscles during training last week and the doctors advised him to rest and undergo some theraphy.

I think ever since the victory in Aneheim, you could almost sense that Taufik is no longer interested in competing anymore. He only competed in Indonesian Open and Hong Kong Open, losing out in the early rounds to Simon and WCH respectively. He then pulled out of the China Open right after losing in HK, claiming stomach injury. Then, he played only in the team competition of the SEA Games in December, winning all matches, including a straight set victory against LCW. Unfortunately, that did not help at all because Malaysia eventually triumped.

At the beginning of this year, he announced that he was preparing for his wedding and pulled out of the Swiss and All England Opens. The last tournament he competed in was the Asian qualifying phase of the Thomas Cup, winning one and losing two matches (against Boonsak and LCW).

With Taufik almost certain to be out of the Thomas Cup Finals, that goes Indonesia's chance of winning the trophy back, especially if they are going to stick to the 3-singles, then 2-doubles format. Sony, Simon, and Markus Wijanu is of no match even to Korea's Lee Hyun Il, Shon Sheing Mo, and Park Sung Hwan. I will foresee them ending up as second in the group and then win one more match in the playoff, before succumbing to Malaysia in the quarter-final. Unless of course, there is a big miracle and all 3 singles play their best form in all the matches.

Yes....I guess Taufik will not go to Japan:crying: . His injury is very serious. Perhaps, he will retire soon for medical reasons.:crying:

:crying:
i red a bad news today.
taufik hidayat got back injury, and team are ready to play sony as 1st single
is that true??? :eek: :eek: :eek: is he really not going to play in TC?:crying: :crying:

I think this is the strategy of PBSI. Taufik always play in 2nd Singles in the past TC. I think PBSI also not very confident that Taufik could win the 1st point, that's why PBSI always let Taufik plays in 2nd Singles. Furthermore with this 21 scoring system, it is very unconfirmed that Taufik could beat any team's 1st singles (LD, LCW, LHI, PG). He even lost to Bonsak Ponsana recently.... but Bonsak also a great player, never under estimate on him :)
From my opinion, if Taufik plays in 2nd singles then Indonesian Team will only have better chances.

Please remember, Taufik is not undefeated.... no one either in badminton ~! :cool:


No...it is impossible to place Soni as the first SIngle and Taufik as a second single...the difference in the ranking score between Taufik and Soni is wide.
One thing is clear that Taufik has sustained very serious injury. HE WILL NOT GO TO JAPAN.

SO...it is time for Malaysia, China, Denmark and Korea to party!!!:D

that's becos of 'wild honeymoon' :) taufik got back injury :)

羽坛名将陶菲克腰部受伤 能否参加汤姆斯杯成疑

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　　新浪体育讯　《成都商报》许绍连独家供稿，未经许可，其他媒体严禁转载。

　　3月13日，正在备战汤姆斯杯的印尼羽毛球队被拉到了位于雅加达郊区的一家五星级酒店。按照印尼羽协的 构想，这样可以让队员尽可能地避开外界的影响与干扰，更加全身心地投入到备战之中。不过，就在球队搬入这家 酒店才刚刚两天，便传来了印尼羽协最不希望听到的消息：3月15日下午，陶菲克在训练中伤到了腰部！陶菲克 的临战受伤对于印尼羽毛球队意味着什么，可谓不言自明，所以，在此后的一个星期时间内，印尼羽协一边对外封 锁消息，一边期待着奇迹能够出现。但是，3月22日，他们还是终于不得不对外公布了这一消息，而且表示，印 尼队目前已经考虑并着手安排索尼取代陶菲克，出任印尼队征战汤姆斯杯的第一单打。

　　3月22日，在印尼队训练的现场，教练达希尔证实目前索尼正在他的带领下强化体能：“除此之外我们也没 有更好的选择了，所以我们只能让索尼先做好这方面的准备。”索尼的分管教练佐戈则表示，索尼现在后做的一切 准备，不仅包括了体能方面，也包括了技术方面，因为他确实需要做好打一单或者打二单的双重准备：“不论做一 单还是做二单，索尼可以说都已经有了足够的思想准备，如果拿他现在的状态与汤姆斯杯预选赛中的表现进行比较 的话，应该说他也确实有了很大的进步。当然，在印度参加汤姆斯杯预选赛的时候，索尼对于整个队伍可以说几乎 没有任何贡献，因此他现在必须在全方面得到强化。”尽管如此，佐戈也承认，由索尼替代陶菲克，印尼队本身可 以说就已经先输一着：“确实，如果陶菲克不能参赛的话，对我们的影响是显而易见的，而一旦索尼被推到一单的 位置上，他所要面对的对手在实力上也无疑要更为强劲一些。不过，这似乎也已经是我们仅有的应对措施了，因为 虽然桑多索在汤姆斯杯预选赛上有着较为出色的表现，但是他的发挥毕竟还不是很稳定，更何况目前作为第四单打 的马尔库斯可以说还根本就没有大赛的经验。替补队员阿拉姆夏更是不可能马上便对他寄予任何的希 望。”

　　事实上，对于印尼队来说，一旦陶菲克缺阵，将索尼推上第一单打也确实是他们仅有的选择了。当然，对于索 尼来说，在出征汤姆斯杯之前，他还有一次机会来证明自己，那就是3月28日至4月2日在马来西亚进行的亚洲 锦标赛。上届比赛，索尼出人意料地夺得了男单冠军，其在印尼队的位置也就此得到了巩固。此次再战，突然又肩 负起重任的索尼能够有着怎样的表现，无疑更加引人注目。

　　印尼羽协训竞部的副主任里乌斯则依然寄望陶菲克能够重新回到参赛的行列之中来。他介绍说：“陶菲克是在 15日的训练中受伤的，这些天来一直都没有办法训练，但直到21日晚上我们才将他送至医院进行全面的检查， 究竟他能不能参赛，现在我们也还也等医院的报告。”印尼媒体则报道称，其实陶菲克的腰伤早就已经有了结果， 而且是需要一个月左右的时间才可能痊愈。

　　陶菲克的腰伤究竟何时才能痊愈，他到底还能不能赶上4月28日开始的汤姆斯杯决战，目前可以说都已经变 得充满了疑问起来。男单教练佐戈更是干脆地表示：“现在我们需要考虑的，也许还有这样一个问题，那就是一旦 陶菲克真的无法参加汤姆斯杯比赛，我们是不是也应该校正一下自己的奋斗目标，因为在这样一种情况下还想把汤 姆斯杯夺回来，困难确实还是太大了一些。”

Perhaps this is one of the PBSI strategy.... making rumors. ;)

that's becos of 'wild honeymoon' :) taufik got back injury :)


Hahahah..... maybe? Just married .... of coz lah "fighting hard".
But hope not that... ;)

No...it is impossible to place Soni as the first SIngle and Taufik as a second single...the difference in the ranking score between Taufik and Soni is wide.
One thing is clear that Taufik has sustained very serious injury. HE WILL NOT GO TO JAPAN.

SO...it is time for Malaysia, China, Denmark and Korea to party!!!:D


Not really. If without Taufik, Sonny also is the secret weapon of Indonesian Team. I dare to say Sonny will performan greatly in Japan.
Let's see how is his performance in AC.

Not really. If without Taufik, Sonny also is the secret weapon of Indonesian Team. I dare to say Sonny will performan greatly in Japan.
Let's see how is his performance in AC.

Sony might perform well but you could say the INA team was probably of the mentality that they had a point in the bag already with Taufik. Sony's chances of a win, IMHO, against the big guns are below 50%. Imagine how demoralised the team feels going into every match knowing that if Sony loses, they're pretty much done. Their great doubles pairs might get them to 2-2 but whoever INA throws to the wolves for the 3rd singles will be quickly devoured.

Sony and Simon must improve greatly within the next few months if they want to stand a chance of winning anything at all this coming TC. However, this is very unlikely and so we can more or less say Indonesia is not going to get past the first knock out stage. It is so unfortunate that Taufik is injured but things happen and we must just accept it as it is. If it is of any consolation, it is a reminder to all MS players in the Indonesian team that they should never rely on any one person to do the job for them. They all have a role to play for their country. I hope the thrashing both of them are about to get in their TC matches will hit reality home that they need to buck up. Man, am I harsh or am I harsh?

I hope the thrashing both of them are about to get in their TC matches will hit reality home that they need to buck up.

If that's the way PBSI is going to learn their lesson, so be it.

:crying:
i red a bad news today.
taufik hidayat got back injury, and team are ready to play sony as 1st single

Oh no! That's terrible :crying:

Sony and Simon must improve greatly within the next few months if they want to stand a chance of winning anything at all this coming TC. However, this is very unlikely and so we can more or less say Indonesia is not going to get past the first knock out stage. It is so unfortunate that Taufik is injured but things happen and we must just accept it as it is. If it is of any consolation, it is a reminder to all MS players in the Indonesian team that they should never rely on any one person to do the job for them. They all have a role to play for their country. I hope the thrashing both of them are about to get in their TC matches will hit reality home that they need to buck up. Man, am I harsh or am I harsh?

Agree with you.

If someone to blame for this, its the PBSI who so mean with the money to send players to lots of tournaments. If they send 3-4 potential players beside Taufik to at least 10 events a year, we still had a small chance to win the Cup.

Now, we even had to fight real hard if we want to reach the QF of Thomas Cup.

Sony might perform well but you could say the INA team was probably of the mentality that they had a point in the bag already with Taufik. Sony's chances of a win, IMHO, against the big guns are below 50%. Imagine how demoralised the team feels going into every match knowing that if Sony loses, they're pretty much done. Their great doubles pairs might get them to 2-2 but whoever INA throws to the wolves for the 3rd singles will be quickly devoured.

Sony's recent losses were due to his WEAK physical condition. I read in BOLA that he has been trained by Tahir Djide recently for TC. Tahir Jide was the physical trainer of Icuk and Liem Swie King. According to Tahir, Sony's physical performance has significantly improved.

COnsidering that Taufik will NOT go to Japan, Indonesia's chance of winning the TC is 30%. SOny will play a key role. Let's see if his performance is ABC is good and he wins in ABC, Indonesia's chance of bringing back the TC become 40%, as we know that Chinese top players will not participate in ABC.

I guess taking the latest condition into consideration, Indonesia's chance of winning the TC is 30%. WIthout Taufik, Indonesia will reach Semi Final at the maximum.

INA only hope 'the ace card' will be back healthy soon at 'D-day'.Without 'the ace card' be ready to see INA ousted from semifinal TC.The format in upcoming Japan TC is very disadvantage for INA team: SSSDD (three singles party in consecutive three matches and two doubles party in last two matches).As we know,INA's MS is the weakest better than another competitor's MS such as CHN-MAS-DEN.For the best scenario INA will crackdown KOR at Group B to meet CHN in semifinal.Certainly,we can predict who-meet-who between CHN and INA in 1st-2nd-3rd singles : LD vs Sony ; CH?BCL vs Simon ; BCL?CJ vs Markus. And the finalist goes to...

Friday, Mar 24, 2006

Taufik's sore back hurts Indonesia's hopes for Thomas Cup

JAKARTA, March 23 (Xinhua) -- Indonesia's prospects in next month's Thomas Cup men's team badminton championship were dealt a blow when Olympic and world champion Taufik Hidayat hurt his back last week, the Jakarta Post said here on Thursday.

Taufik is now undergoing therapy to try and be ready for the April 28 and May 4 championship in Japan. The 24-year-old would skip the Asian Championships in Johor Baru, Malaysia, from March 28 to April 2, said the paper.

"We don't know if Taufik will be fit for the Thomas Cup," Badminton Association of Indonesia training official Lius Pongoh was quoted as saying on Wednesday.

Assistant coach Paulus Firman said that Taufik had an MRI on Tuesday night, after the injury first surfaced last Wednesday.

If Taufik was unable to answer the call in Japan, the team would have to rely on second singles Sony Dwi Kuncoro, the paper added.


(source: Xinhua)

.... Come On Taufiiik you will recover soon !!!

Oh no, can't be true...
Come on Taufik! I want to see you play!!!

[quote=indra]
COnsidering that Taufik will NOT go to Japan, Indonesia's chance of winning the TC is 30%. SOny will play a key role. Let's see if his performance is ABC is good and he wins in ABC, Indonesia's chance of bringing back the TC become 40%, as we know that Chinese top players will not participate in ABC.[quote]
But the Malaysian top players wil participate in ABC and it is Malaysian homeground where Lee CW never lost to anyone in the world when playing in Malaysia ever since Malaysian Open 2004. Even Lin Dan, Chen Hong, Bao CL and Taufik also lost to Lee CW in Malaysia. Do you think Sony has any chance to beat Lee CW in Malaysia base on current form? Even Hafiz and Wong CH can trouble Sony in Malaysia.:D

I don't buy this story.
Indonesian Team not the first time make such rumour. I remember in year 2002, they made the same rumor.... but at the end Taufik played every single match in TC 2002 till won the title.

Crafty Indonesian Team.

I don't buy this story.
Indonesian Team not the first time make such rumour. I remember in year 2002, they made the same rumor.... but at the end Taufik played every single match in TC 2002 till won the title.

Crafty Indonesian Team.

crafty on court = talent
crafty off court = desperation (it was aiming at pbsi, not taufik himself)

I don't buy this story.
Indonesian Team not the first time make such rumour. I remember in year 2002, they made the same rumor.... but at the end Taufik played every single match in TC 2002 till won the title.

Crafty Indonesian Team.

Yeah, but Taufik lost his match to Lee Tsuen Seng in the final. Having said that, it is possible still for Indonesia to win TC without Taufik, though not very likely.

Let's hope he recovers, playing Indonesia without Taufik (whether we win or not) is no fun.

Oh no, can't be true...
Come on Taufik! I want to see you play!!!

to see taufik defeats Chen Jin ??? :p :p :p but i think it is very unlikely since taufik can only play 1st MS. :p :p :p

to see taufik defeats Chen Jin ??? :p :p :p but i think it is very unlikely since taufik can only play 1st MS. :p :p :p

Haha, that's funny :D :p Really hope he can recover otherwise (no offence:D ) Indonesia have no chance :(

i don't buy either that news :)

taufik will surely play in japan

the injury is not that bad, it's only muscle pain... he only need a massage :)

OJ Taufik Taufik -- za malo metody krzyzakowej i plecy wymiekaja :))))

OJ Taufik Taufik -- za malo metody krzyzakowej i plecy wymiekaja :))))
can you traslate?....:o

To much *** after wedding and now he is injuried :))))))))

To much *** after wedding and now he is injuried :))))))))
O......:o
but i don't think it's the reason though:p

Taufik's fitness in doubt for Thomas Cup
Damar Harsanto, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

The good news is that world and Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat will rejoin Indonesia's Thomas Cup squad after a one-month injury break. The bad news is he may not be 100 percent for the biennial men's team badminton event in Japan later this month.

"I haven't fully recovered. I'm still in the recovery process from my waist injury," the 25-year-old told reporters Tuesday. "I hope the next 20 days will be enough time for me to recover."

Taufik suffered the injury during practice March 15. The injury forced him to miss the just-concluded Asian Badminton Championships in Johor Baru, Malaysia.

Orthopedist Nicolaas Budiparama, who is treating the 2004 Athens Olympic gold medalist, said Taufik might not fully recover from his injury before the Thomas Cup.

"What he can do is undergo a special training program, under the combined supervision of coaches and doctors, to prevent the injury from getting worse," he said.

Taufik's injury has Badminton Association of Indonesia (PBSI) officials concerned about Indonesia's chances of winning the coveted Thomas Cup trophy for the 14th time at the April 28 to May 7 event in Sendai and Tokyo.

PBSI chairman Sutiyoso said Taufik's presence on the squad was crucial to the team's confidence.

"We have no choice but to field Taufik. We can't take the risk of deploying our second best single's player, Sony Dwi Kuncoro, as the first singles to face stronger rivals like Lin Dan and Bao Chunlai (of China)," he said.

Though he has not yet fully recovered, Taufik took part in a practice session Tuesday at the national training camp in Cipayung, East Jakarta.

Taufik last played in February's Asia zone qualifying session for the Thomas Cup in Jaipur, India.

At the Asian Badminton Championships, the best result for members of Indonesia's Thomas Cup squad was the quarterfinals. The country's only title came from the mixed doubles pair of Nova Widianto and Lilyana Natsir.

At the Thomas Cup, Indonesia has been drawn in Group B with South Korea, the group's top seed, and New Zealand. It should be the favorite to win its opening round match against India of group A, possibly setting up a meeting with Malaysia, the top seed in group D, in the next round.

Defending champion China is the top seed in Group A with Germany and India, while Denmark, the runner-up at the last Thomas Cup, is in Group C with Japan and South Africa. Malaysia is in Group D with England and the U.S.

A boring and bad rumour tactic from PBSI....
If Taufik lose, then PBSI can tell to people that Taufik injure.
It Tafik wins, then PBSI will very made another success proud with thier injure player still can win.

As LYB said, he doesn't believe on such romur.
" 谣传指道菲腰伤只是印尼为4月日本汤杯决赛圈所放的烟雾弹 "

A boring and bad rumour tactic from PBSI....
If Taufik lose, then PBSI can tell to people that Taufik injure.
It Tafik wins, then PBSI will very made another success proud with thier injure player still can win.

As LYB said, he doesn't believe on such romur.
" 谣传指道菲腰伤只是印尼为4月日本汤杯决赛圈所放的烟雾弹 "



I think it's time to end the bullshiting from PBSI....

the deadline is April 12nd ? i mean to decide who to go