Taufik vs PBSI - BAD NEWS

[indra]

I read in the Seputar Indonesia today....

TAufik again "fights" against PBSI:mad: .
Taufik himself is not sure if he will play or not.
He said that mentally he is ready 100%, but as to his physical condition he is not sure because he is now in the process of recovery due to his waist and back injury. He has not practiced at Pelatnas (Training Center) for weeks.

Taufik is very dissapointed with the way PBSI has handled this issue. He admitted that he has not been called to discuss this matter. Taufik felt that PBSI does not care about his serious injury. Taufik wants to have face-to-face talk with PBSI. He said that every internal problems between him and PBSI should be discussed internally, instead of directly being exposed to the press.

BAD NEWS AGAIN:cool: :eek: !!!!

I sense that Taufik will not be fielded by PBSI. I guess too much "fights" between PBSI and Taufik. I don't know who is the real trouble maker.

But one thing is clear that the way PBSI has managed badminton in Indonesia should now "CHANGE". Otherwise, Indonesia will lose its "Teeth".

Now....I guess DON'T EXPECT TOO MUCH THAT INDONESIA WILL WIN THE CUP THIS YEAR....PBSI NOW SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON HOW TO DEAL WITH ITS INTERNAL PROBLEMS. WINNING THE TC IS ACTUALLY THE FRUIT OF THE GOOD MANAGEMENT!!!!

[peace]

I think both of them are arrogant. Now, PBSI is also arrogant.:mad:

[kemana]

i think pbsi should care more about his injury
if he can't play due to his injury, then he shouldn't
you can't risk the player's health

[taufik-ist]

taufik is a kind of 'spoiled' player :), PBSI must have a will to talk heart to heart with taufik.. taufik often saves PBSI's A(ss)..

in the tv taufik seems very anxious and wants to play in TC final, it's just miscommunication :).. i hope PBSI have a big heart

[kemana]

i think Taufik is very willing to do his best for his team,
he just wants the feeling of respected and cared
haha, yes , kind of spoiled , but not too much
i'm a little worried about his injury actually

[ants]

Well if he is not going to play for PBSI.. i know most likely where he will be going.

[kemana]

ah,i really hope i can watch the TV programm you mentioned

[kemana]

Well if he is not going to play for PBSI.. i know most likely where he will be going.
won't that be his home?.... retirement .....

[kemana]

Well if he is not going to play for PBSI.. i know most likely where he will be going.
come on ants, plz tell us something :p

[tutu_h]

Well if he is not going to play for PBSI.. i know most likely where he will be going.

ants tell me pls! maybe thru' PM. i promise i won't leak out the news. :D :D :D

sama sama orang malaysia ma.:D :D :D

[taufik-ist]

Well if he is not going to play for PBSI.. i know most likely where he will be going.

don't go to singapore, chance to win tc is very weak, he must move in malaysia.. but it depend on how much money they offer :D

[kemana]

don't go to singapore, chance to win tc is very weak, he must move in malaysia.. but it depend on how much money they offer :D
do you seriously think it's possible?:eek:

[tutu_h]

don't go to singapore, chance to win tc is very weak, he must move in malaysia.. but it depend on how much money they offer :D

if he moves to malaysia, malaysia will "almost" sure with the Thomas cup.

1st MS - LCW
2nd MS - Taufik
3rd MS - WCH

wau.....what a good line up. :D :D :D :D :D :D

+ if Candra, Eng Hian ...etc. also move to malaysia. Malaysia will be the strongest Thomas team.

just imagine Candra Wijaya + KKK in MD.:eek: :eek: :eek:

[taufik-ist]

do you seriously think it's possible?:eek:

no.. it's a joke :D

PBSI know how to protect their 'gold mine' it's imposible fo taufik play for other countries except he's willing to change his nationality (like mia audina)

taufik ever tried to move to singapore.. PBSI (with indo gov help) could bring him back

taufik is indonesia's treasure i am sure he won't go anywhere except retiring

[Ningtyas]

PBSI really "pusing tujuh keliling" with Taufik. They have no idea as to how to handle Taufik. Read this
http://www.bolanews.com/sunito/12203.php

[taufik-ist]

PBSI really "pusing tujuh keliling" with Taufik. They have no idea as to how to handle Taufik. Read this
http://www.bolanews.com/sunito/12203.php

he's a jewel in the palace :)

anyone can traslate the news below (cooler, could you) :

Ignatius Sunito
THOMAS, THOMAS, THOMAS CUP
Rabu, 5 April 2006 pukul 15:34:7 WIB
http://www.bolanews.com/newsit_images/12203.jpg?1144240480 Perebutan Piala Thomas lambang supremasi dunia bulutangkis beregu 2006, tinggal beberapa hari lagi. Tepatnya tanggal 28 April-7 Mei di Jepang. Meski Indonesia datang sebagai penantang, yang tentu, beban lebih ringan katimbang mempertahankan. Namun, sejarah kegemilangan bulutangkis putra Indonesia sebagai penyandang 13 kali juara, juga merupakan beban tersendiri.

Berangkat menuju medan tempur dengan sejumlah persoalan menuju “penyelesaian”, baik teknis maupun non teknis. Berupa penampilan yang amat, amat mengawatirkan para pemain andalannya. Baromaternya adalah Kejuaraan Asia pekan lalu di Johor Baru, Malaysia. Hanya satu gelar juara saja diraihnya, itu pun di sektor ganda campuran, Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir, nomor yang tidak dipertandingkan di Piala Thomas.

Materi inti tim Piala Thomas pada bergelimpangan sebelum mencapai babak final, padahal di kejuaraan ini Cina dan Korea tidak mengirimkan pemain terkuatnya. Di atas kertas pemain Indonesia hanya menghadapi lawan “seimbang“, atau malahan harusnya lebih baik. Tak heran, Ketua Umum PBSI, Sutiyoso, datang sendiri di Stadion Bandar Raya, Johor Baru, untuk memberi semangat. Harapannya, anak-anak asuhnya semua bisa mencapai final, atau syukur-syukur, ya, juara.

Di partai ganda di mana Indonesia menurunkan semua pemain andalannya ternyata rontok semua. Pasangan dunia Chandra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto dipermalukan pasangan tak terkenal Malaysia, Tan Boon Heong/Hoon Thien How. Kemudian Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto kesandung ganda tuan rumah, Chong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah di semifinal. Disusul Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan tak berkutik pada lawan yang sama dengan rekannya, di perempatfinal.

Sony Dwi Kuncoro, calon tunggal kedua ditumbangkan pemain muda Korsel, Park Sung-hwan, yang sekaligus merupakan pertemuan ketiga dan Sony tak pernah menang (Malaysia Terbuka 2004 dan Hongkong Terbuka 2005). Sementara rekannya, Simon Santoso, calon tunggal dijadikan sansak oleh pemain terbaik Thailand, Boonsak Ponsana. Pertandingan dengan sistem reli poin 21 belum terbiasa bagi pemain Indonesia. Demikian salah satu alasan mengapa Indonesia gagal di Johor Baru.

Lha, kemana larinya calon tunggal pertama Indonesia, Taufik Hidayat? Ternyata tidak ikut karena sedang pemulihan cedera pinggang. Selain terdera berbagai masalah non teknis, yang seperti biasanya selalu membuat pusing para kolega maupun pengurus PBSI. Agaknya seperti penyakit kambuhan Taufik kumat lagi, yang judulnya “siapa sanggup pegang Taufik? “ Apa itu? Media massa Indonesia tuntas mengungkapnya.

Pemain yang satu ini sepertinya tak tersentuh, untouchable, apalagi dengan berbenteng prestasinya sebagai pemegang medali emas Olimpiade Athena 2004 dan Juara Dunia 2005. Apalagi sekarang ia masuk nominasi sebagai atlet top dunia 2005 oleh Sports Publications Corporation. Organisasi yang didukung oleh Komite Olimpiade China, yang sekaligus sebagai panitia pelaksana Olimpiade Beijing 2008.

Taufik masuk nominasi bersama juara dunia termuda Formula 1, Fernando Alonso (Spanyol), pesepakbola Ronaldinho (Brasil), petenis Roger Federer (Swiss) dan Kim Clijster (Belgia), pebasket Tim Duncan (AS). Kemudian di cabang atletik, pemegang rekor dunia lompat galah putri dari Rusia, Yelena Isinbayeva, serta atlet Ethiopia, Kenenisa Bekela, pemegang rekor dunia lari 10.000 meter. Juga perenang kenamaan AS, Michael Phelps. Sementara Cina menominasikan pebulutangkisnya, Xie Xinfang, dan peloncat indah Guo Jingjing dan lifter Liu Chunhong.

Pengumuman pemenangnya akan diadakan di Beijing tanggal 9 April 2006, dalam suatu upacara penuh kehormatan. Pemilihan atlet top dunia ini sudah terselenggara 20 kali. Dan acara yang menyamai anugerah Lareus yang diselenggarakan setiap tahun di Monte Carlo, Monaco. Memang, terlepas dari siapa itu Taufik yang kontroversial, kita mengharapkan Taufik bisa berhasil menyabet gelar bergengsi itu. Jika berhasil, lengkap sudah gelar Taufik sebagai “atlet paling sempurna dunia”. Medali emas Olimpiade, juara dunia, dan atlet top dunia. Semoga!

Kembali kita pada tujuan mengembalikan supremasi bulutangkis putra dunia, Thomas Cup 2006. Dalam sejarah Thomas Cup pertama kalinya diikuti Indonesia sejak 1958, maka persiapan 2006 ini yang benar-benar mengawatirkan. Optimis boleh saja terus dikobarkan, harapan memperoleh kebanggaan sebagai bangsa dan negara sekali lagi masih bertumpu di olahraga. Chris John sudah mengawalinya di tahun 2006 ini sebagai juara dunia tinju kelas bulu WBA.

Kita masih berharap Taufik seperti petenis urakan AS, John McEnroe, bagaimanapun kontroversialnya dia. Jika sudah kuwajiban membela negara dan bangsa, di ajang Piala Davis, John akan menyisihkan semua kepentingan pribadinya. Kalau perlu ia rela tidak dibayar, asal The Star Spangled Banner berkibar kibar sebagai bendera kemenangan tim AS di Piala Davis. Bukti telah menunjukkan itu.

Apalagi sih, yang masih harus dikejar Taufik? Prestasi OK! Materi, rumah seharga Rp 2 miliar hadiah Sutiyoso sudah tepegang, isteri cantik anak “cukong” atau menjadi menantu Ketua Umum KONI Pusat, Agum Gumelar pun berhasil digaet. Kata orang, sertifikat rumahnya belum ada? Maka Taufik menampilkan kelakuan aneh-aneh yang memusingkan banyak orang.

Maka jika ditanyakan kasus Taufik itu kepada mantan ketua umum PBSI seperti Soebagio HS, Chaerul Tanjung, pasti mempunyai persepsi sama. Baru tahu? ya, seperti itu! Kini giliran lah yang pusing.

Thomas, Thomas, apakah kamu mau kembali ke Indonesia lagi?

[kemana]

PBSI really "pusing tujuh keliling" with Taufik. They have no idea as to how to handle Taufik. Read this
http://www.bolanews.com/sunito/12203.php
can you plz translate? any brief translation will be appreciated:)

[kemana]

no.. it's a joke :D

PBSI know how to protect their 'gold mine' it's imposible fo taufik play for other countries except he's willing to change his nationality (like mia audina)

taufik ever tried to move to singapore.. PBSI (with indo gov help) could bring him back

taufik is indonesia's treasure i am sure he won't go anywhere except retiring
i think so too, not to say he is married now...

[taufik-ist]

taufik is not a 'easy going' man ,so he must be handled carefully, he's 'fragile' :)

[Hagane]

Note: THIS IS A VERY HARD PASSAGE TO TRANSLATE FOR ME :P

There are only a few days left till the fight for Thomas Cup 2006, the world cup of badminton teams. The dates being 28th April - 7th May in Japan. Even though Indonesia attends as a challenger, certainly, the pressure is less than the attending as the defending champions. However, the glamorous history of the Indonesian Mens badminton teams as champions for 13 times also creates its own pressure.

Onroute to the battleground with a number of problems that needs resolving, be it technical or non technical, is a sign that really concerns the elite players. The barometer is the Asian Championship last weekend in Johor Baru, Malaysia. Only one title was achieved, and that was from the mixed doubles event, Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir, a number that Indonesia is not sending to compete for this Thomas Cup.

The core of the Thomas Cup team stumbles prior to reaching the finals, even though in this championship, neither China nor Korea had sent their best. On face value, Indonesian players only have to compete against "equal standing" opponents, or in actuality, we are supposed to be better. Not surprisingly, General Manager PBSI, Sutiyoso, arrived alone Bandar Raya stadium, Johor Baru, to raise spirits. His hope is that all of his students can reach the finals, or, God bless, champions.

For doubles events, where Indonesia sent all their elite players, all of them failed. The world renowned pair Chandra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto was humiliated by the Malaysian unknown pair, Tan Boon Heong/Hoon Thien How. Next, Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto stumbles on the home doubles pair, Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah, in the semifinals. It followed after Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan rendered helpless against the same opponents in the quarter finals.

Sony Dwi Kuncoro, the second singles candidate, was felled by a young South Korean player, Park Sung-hwan. This is their third meeting and Sony has won none (Malaysia Open 2004 and HK open 2005). His colleague, Simon Santoso, first singles candidate, was rendered as a sandbag by Thailand's best, Boonsak Ponsana. The players are not used to the new 21 point rally system. That is one reason why Indonesia failed in Johor Baru.

Hey, where did the first singles candidate, Taufik Hidayat, disappeared to? In reality, he did not compete as he was recuperating from a waist injury. Besides suffering from many non-technical issues, which, as usual, involves creating headaches for his colleagues or the PBSI officials. It seems that Taufik's recurring disease popped up again, which is named "Who can hold Taufik?" What's that? as the mass media often cited.

This one player seems "tak tersentuh", untouchable, more so with his achievement as the gold medal winner for Athens Olympics 2004 and title holder of World Champion 2005. More so now, since he was nominated as the world's top athlete 2005 by Sports Publications Corporation, an oranisation that is sponsored by Olympic Committee China, which doubles as the executive committee for Beijing Olympics 2008.

Taufik is nominated along with the world's youngest F1 champion, Fernando Alonso (Spain), soccer player Ronaldinho (Brazil), tennis players Roger Federer (Swiss) and Kim Clijster (Belgium), Basketballer Tim Duncan (USA). In athletics, the world record holder for women's pole vault event, Yelena Isinbayeva from Russia, as well as the world record holder for 10,000 metre running event, Kenelisa Bekela from Ethiopia. Included as well is the world renowned US swimmer, Michael Phelps. In the meantime, China also nominates its badminton player, Xie Xinfang, the competitive diver Guo Jinging and weight lifter Liu Chunhong.

The winner will be announced in Beijing on the 9th April 2006, in a ceremony full of honours. This selection of the world's top atheletes is the 20th event, an event similar to the Lareus award, held yearly in Monte Carlo, Monaco. True, aside from the controversial Taufik, we hope that Taufik will be able to win the prestigious title. If he succeed, Taufik has earned the title of "World's most perfect athlete", holding the Olympic god medal, title of World champion and World's Top Athlete. Let's hope.


Let's go back to the goal of returning the supremacy of Men's badminton world, Thoas Cup 2006. In the history of Thomas Cup, in which Indonesia compted in since 1958, the preparation for this Thomas Cup is really an ominous sign. We can always preach optimism, the hope of winning the pride of nations and countries is once more focused on sports. Chris John has started the year as the featherweight WBA champion.

We still hope Taufik is similar to the infamous US tennis player, John McEnroe, no matter how controversial he is, when it comes to the responsibility of defending his nation and country, on Davis Cup, John will put aside all his personal issues. If needed, he is willing to represent the country without financial rewards, as long as the Star Spangled Banner flies as the Davis Cup champion's flag for the team. The evidence have shown that.

What more does Taufik have to chase? Achievements, he has plenty. Money and Assets, he has a two billion dollar house, a gift from Sutiyoso, in his hand, a beautiful wife, the position of the son-in-law of General Manager of KONI central are all his. The rumour is that he has yet to receive the title deed for his house, hence Taufik showed his antics that causes headaches to many people.

When inquired about Taufik, the ex General Managers of PBSI such as Soebagio HS, Chaerul Tanjung, must have the same perception. Now only you know? That is how he is! Now is your turn to have all the headaches.

Thomas, Thomas, Will you come back to Indonesia again?

[Carbonexer]

Oh no... this is bad. Without TH, Indon don't stand a chance in TC.

Unknown to only Indon perhaps but the 2004 MD Junior World Champion is not unknown to the rest.

World's top athlete for 2005? To be a top athlete, he should at least be consistent with his performance. Did I recall that he actually lost 15-0 in one of the match in 2005? Can such an unpredictable and inconsistent player still be nominated as top athlete?

Speaking of consistency, who can disagree with me that LD is a much obvious candidate.

[cooler]

he's a jewel in the palace :)

anyone can traslate the news below (cooler, could you) :




sorry, i can't help u here.:o

[Dreamzz]

wow, i think putting taufik into the same class ss federer is just a bit too .... ummmm .... what's the word .... ridiculous. i mean federer's dominating the tennis circuit even more than lin dan in badminton, and could potentially, and in all likelihood will be, the greatest tennis player the world has ever seen. mind you, i'm a fan of taufik's and i think he's a great player, but this comparison is just unrealistic.

[Hagane]

the greatest tennis player the world has ever seen.
When he wins French Open and the remaining Grand Slams (not that he has much trouble out of French Open), he IS the greatest tennis player the world has ever seen :)

He has matched Pete Sampras, and trying to do a Rod Laver :D

[kemana]

Note: THIS IS A VERY HARD PASSAGE TO TRANSLATE FOR ME :P

thank you for your translation !!:)
don't know what to say about this article....

[Hagane]

thank you for your translation !!:)
don't know what to say about this article....
What I'm beginning to note (and hate) in the language is the preference of the use of new sentences. I mean using a period where a comma would best suit the sentence, resulting in single sentences that means nothing on its own, and rather abrupt end to the sentences.

Not sure when this happened. Then again, I haven't read Indonesian newspapers since 9 years ago.

I like this comment about Taufik: "Now is your turn to have all the headaches"

[kemana]

What I'm beginning to note (and hate) in the language is the preference of the use of new sentences. I mean using a period where a comma would best suit the sentence, resulting in single sentences that means nothing on its own, and rather abrupt end to the sentences.

Not sure when this happened. Then again, I haven't read Indonesian newspapers since 9 years ago.

I like this comment about Taufik: "Now is your turn to have all the headaches"
i am not quite sure about the meaning:o , they mean now is the present PBSI leaders to have all the headaches right?:confused:

[Hagane]

i am not quite sure about the meaning:o , they mean now is the present PBSI leaders to have all the headaches right?:confused:
To put it simply, Taufik has always created headaches for PBSI officials, in the past, present, and by the looks of it, for the future :D

[kemana]

To put it simply, Taufik has always created headaches for PBSI officials, in the past, present, and by the looks of it, for the future :D
ok, got it :) :o

[taufik-ist]

wow, i think putting taufik into the same class ss federer is just a bit too .... ummmm .... what's the word .... ridiculous. i mean federer's dominating the tennis circuit even more than lin dan in badminton, and could potentially, and in all likelihood will be, the greatest tennis player the world has ever seen. mind you, i'm a fan of taufik's and i think he's a great player, but this comparison is just unrealistic.

roger federer is a fastastic player , an tennis artist, but he's 'boring'

a great player combining with 'controversial' attitude (bad boy) is more interesting :D

like john mcnroe , taufik hidayat

[taufik-ist]

'pusing tujuh keliling' is like a single parent raising 5 kids :D

[Cheung]

roger federer is a fastastic player , an tennis artist, but he's 'boring'

a great player combining with 'controversial' attitude (bad boy) is more interesting :D

like john mcnroe , taufik hidayatI can't quite put Taufik in the same class as McEnroe....yet;)

Federer looks boring? Maybe he's so good that he makes you think he's 'boring':p

[Hagane]

Federer looks boring? Maybe he's so good that he makes you think he's 'boring':p

There're two aspects to Federer that makes him boring.
1. The lack of challenges presented by the remaining players in Top 10, outside of French Open.
Whenever he's in trouble, he just shifts up a gear, and blasts through.
The only problem is in French Open. That's the only one where he has yet to win.

2. He's a gentleman, both on and off the courts. He contributes to charity, hardly gets angry, aside from the occasional shouts, etc. Nothing that separates him out as a "bad guy"

Subsequently, it's like allowing a spotless champion on play. It'd either bore you to death, or you'd love it :)

However, majority will fall for the first one :P

[Dreamzz]

There're two aspects to Federer that makes him boring.
1. The lack of challenges presented by the remaining players in Top 10, outside of French Open.
Whenever he's in trouble, he just shifts up a gear, and blasts through.
The only problem is in French Open. That's the only one where he has yet to win.

2. He's a gentleman, both on and off the courts. He contributes to charity, hardly gets angry, aside from the occasional shouts, etc. Nothing that separates him out as a "bad guy"

Subsequently, it's like allowing a spotless champion on play. It'd either bore you to death, or you'd love it :)

However, majority will fall for the first one :P

haha, possibly true then, in that respect. but purely achievements wise, the fed-ex is still the man. maybe mcenroe out to pull him aside and say, 'son, i think you need to swear at the umpires and shout a bit more, then you'll be truly noto ... ummmm ... famous!'

[CLELY]

World's Top Athlete?? What its criteria? I don't think so it is a prestigious awards that positioned Popular Athletes from various sports. How come the committee classified TH equally with another 'big-names' such as FedEx (Federer Xpress)-TimDuncan(MVP)-Yelena Isinbayeva-Ronaldinho (Best FIFA Footballer) or Spaniard's Alonso who made spectacular records that booked in 2005? Maybe because of his '05-World Champ title' (I guess). Maybe, this awards is just for fun (don't talk about its quality??). But anyway, honestly I'm very salute for TH to his ability becoming a really-really NEWSMAKER!!

[Loh]

don't go to singapore, chance to win tc is very weak, he must move in malaysia.. but it depend on how much money they offer :D

No use, lah! If he departs Indonesia, anywhere he goes, he still cannot play in TC. Too late to get registered!

Actually, if it is at all possible, a good place to go would be Denmark! Then Denmark can be a match for China during the TC Finals in Japan! But of course, Malaysia will not sit down and do nothing. Malaysia will fight hard to wrestle the Cup from the holders. "Malaysia Boleh!"

Probably ants knows where Taufik will go for his honeymoon. :D

[Loh]

taufik is not a 'easy going' man ,so he must be handled carefully, he's 'fragile' :)

No wonder he hurts his back so easily. "Taufik" "Fragile - please Handle with care".

[Carbonexer]

TH should be awarded as on of the top extreme athlete.
1) His results can go to extreme ends depending on his mood of course. He can be a Olympic gold medalist and also a lost as 15-0.
2) His is extremely fragile. "ALL PLAYERS ARE ADVISED NOT TO SMASH DIRECTLY ONTO TH BODY"
3) He is extremely problematic to PBSI.

Strange enough there are still diehard fans here who swear and pray to TH like their Badminton God. These people still think that he is the greatest of all. And when he participate in the tourney, these people will just assume that he will be in the final. But when he lost 15-0, these people will immediately imagine all kind of reasons such as injury or fever and etc. That's pathetic. How many times he did not make it to the final in the last 10 tourneys?

If TH is good he got to prove it that he is consistantly good and performed well as expected of him in all the matches he play. He can't just live by his past glory forever.

[jcl49]

His moments of brilliance reminds me a bit of Zhao Jian Hua. When Zhao sets his mind to it - he can win anything. Altough exciting to watch, he does not set his mind to it often enough. I do not know enough about Zhao to comment on how many medals he's won, so this comparison is only superficial.

[event]

Speaking of consistency, who can disagree with me that LD is a much obvious candidate.You mean, of course, that he consistently lost the big matches? In the Olympics, to Susilo, in the All England, to Chen Hong, in the Singapore and Malaysia Open to Taufik and LCW respectively, in the WC to Taufik. History remembers the ones who bag the big matches.

[alloh]

Strange enough there are still diehard fans here who swear and pray to TH like their Badminton God. These people still think that he is the greatest of all. And when he participate in the tourney, these people will just assume that he will be in the final. But when he lost 15-0, these people will immediately imagine all kind of reasons such as injury or fever and etc. That's pathetic. How many times he did not make it to the final in the last 10 tourneys?



:D yes ... agree! Each time Taufik lose, Indo people will Taufik lose for purposely. For them, Taufik just like the GOD of badminton and undefeated.
With this idiot reason, I would say all the players are undefeated too. They lose in some match also with purposely.

[Carbonexer]

:D yes ... agree! Each time Taufik lose, Indo people will Taufik lose for purposely. For them, Taufik just like the GOD of badminton and undefeated.
With this idiot reason, I would say all the players are undefeated too. They lose in some match also with purposely.
:D When TH lost in a match at 15-0, I really believe the Indons that TH purposely did that. Well at least they were half right about that. When TH lost at the point of 10-0, he knew that he has no hope of winning the match anymore and so he PURPOSELY play like as if he PURPOSELY lose the entire match so it won't look that bad on him. After all he is a Badminton God to the Indons.

Believe me.... the Indons really understand their Badminton God's "look-good cover-up" tactic very well. :D

[cindie]

wow, i think putting taufik into the same class ss federer is just a bit too .... ummmm .... what's the word .... ridiculous. i mean federer's dominating the tennis circuit even more than lin dan in badminton, and could potentially, and in all likelihood will be, the greatest tennis player the world has ever seen. mind you, i'm a fan of taufik's and i think he's a great player, but this comparison is just unrealistic.

Totally agree. Although I do like how Taufik play his game.. but federer is still the greatest tennis player of all time.


if he moves to malaysia, malaysia will "almost" sure with the Thomas cup.

1st MS - LCW
2nd MS - Taufik
3rd MS - WCH

wau.....what a good line up. :D :D :D :D :D :D

+ if Candra, Eng Hian ...etc. also move to malaysia. Malaysia will be the strongest Thomas team.

just imagine Candra Wijaya + KKK in MD.:eek: :eek: :eek:

IMHO, I think if a country wants to be a true champion, they should use their own locally-born players. What's the use of buying players from other country and win the cup? Anything to be proud of? Just my 2 cents.

[indra]

You mean, of course, that he consistently lost the big matches? In the Olympics, to Susilo, in the All England, to Chen Hong, in the Singapore and Malaysia Open to Taufik and LCW respectively, in the WC to Taufik. History remembers the ones who bag the big matches.

Agree!! Great players are those who win great tournaments consistently...!
Taufik is a super genius for me! Winning or losing are common in sports.

[cooler]

Badminton body gives Taufik plot of land


World badminton champion Taufik Hidayat has received a 320 square meter plot of land from Badminton Association of Indonesia chairman and Jakarta Governor Sutiyoso.

The land, located in Joglo, West Jakarta, is a token of appreciation from the association for the 25-year-old's international achievements. Apart from the world championship title, Taufik won the 2004 Athens Olympics gold and has helped the country's Thomas Cup team win the coveted men's team trophy twice, in 2000 and 2002.-- JP

[alloh]

IMHO, I think if a country wants to be a true champion, they should use their own locally-born players. What's the use of buying players from other country and win the cup? Anything to be proud of? Just my 2 cents.

:D Yes, I agree with you. But this seems like directed to SIN country huh?
BTW, I think Malaysia will not buy any badminton player from other country.
I heard that Malaysia inviting Eng Hian to Malaysia not to be a player representive Malaysia, but just like a sparring trainer for the youngsters. But seems like Eng Hian not interested in it.

[CLELY]

Agree!! Great players are those who win great tournaments consistently...!
Taufik is a super genius for me! Winning or losing are common in sports.

LD and TH, two names with two differently destinies. Many of bdm-mania or bdm-fans in this forum talking of them and always compare them each other, why? Nobody's perfect, fellas--neither LD and TH too (no one could be more superior than the other one). This 2 'top-class' shuttlers have strength and weakness in different segements that is not compare one-on-one. Speaking about their skills, undoubtedly excellence because both of them are prominent players. One fact that I can say TH is luckier than LD at least right now (packed doubles success in Athens and Anaheim). Is TH 'the one-and-only' greatest bdm-player NOW? Maybe, his admirer who always adore him will answer exactly, YES without considering so many his failure in the rest of tourneys last year (the reasons maybe he is not excited to play in 'small tourneys' like GP-class). And again, his fans is never complain about his rank (number 10 or no.9 or even outside top-10 rank). Who cares? It's not a big deal. Basically, he has grabbed two-most-wanted titles for all shuttlers in 04 and 05. How fortunately he is...Meanwhile, what happened with LD? So far, maybe his achievements was 'only open champion' (small-class tourneys for several bdm-fans said) but can we imagine how difficult for him to exist his position at numero uno rank? Some people said Don't cares because It's not an important things (pathetic for LD's fans) although in my mind it's very difficult job so I just want to mention well done for LD to his effort still to keep his no.1 rank (maybe from 2004?!). How about their future? As we know, LD is almost 23 year and perhaps so many achievements will reached by him, and TH is almost 25 y.o, maybe he is still lucky or maybe not? Sport is not same with maths so it's very unpredictable although we still wait 'our perfect player' in men's singles division (world no.1 plus Olympic Gold Medalist and World Champion). Time will prove 'their destinies' for us....

[hcpoirot]

In the end, PBSI will (as previous times again and again) bow to any Taufik wishes. Like you all know, only Taufik had his own coach with training schedule that he wanted to.

The problem is, beside Chandra/Sigit and Nova/Butet, we didn't had any player can save PBSI face anymore in international events. Only Taufik sometimes can and he is still young. So in the end, taufik will be more spoiled thru and thru.

PBSI should changed their attitude. If the girls got punishment by not sending them even for ABC 2006. (Just because they don't qualify for Uber Cup and its all PBSI fault)

Taufik should be also banned playing Thomas Cup by always creating trouble for PBSI. I hope in the future, PBSI didnt use the golden son attitude where all fault that taufik done never been punished just because he is our best player and hope now.

Not a good example at all. But hey, its how PBSI work. Compare with Susy Susanti. When she was queen of badminton, she never ever pulled a superstar attitude. Always humble till she retired. Thats what I called a star.

[alloh]

In the end, PBSI will (as previous times again and again) bow to any Taufik wishes. Like you all know, only Taufik had his own coach with training schedule that he wanted to.

The problem is, beside Chandra/Sigit and Nova/Butet, we didn't had any player can save PBSI face anymore in international events. Only Taufik sometimes can and he is still young. So in the end, taufik will be more spoiled thru and thru.

PBSI should changed their attitude. If the girls got punishment by not sending them even for ABC 2006. (Just because they don't qualify for Uber Cup and its all PBSI fault)

Taufik should be also banned playing Thomas Cup by always creating trouble for PBSI. I hope in the future, PBSI didnt use the golden son attitude where all fault that taufik done never been punished just because he is our best player and hope now.

Not a good example at all. But hey, its how PBSI work. Compare with Susy Susanti. When she was queen of badminton, she never ever pulled a superstar attitude. Always humble till she retired. Thats what I called a star.


:) Even the world top sport, soccer. You could be punished If you made fault not matter you are a top player or not.
But why in Indonesia PBSI always cover Taufik until he became a real "bad boy". This is the word (bad-boy) we always see in article or paper.
Heard that Taufik had attacked someone due to both their cars got scracthed on the road, and just asked PBSI settle the case for him? Not sure is that ture, but this is quite long time ago.

[abedeng]

I remember in early-90s the PBSI did not "spoil" anyone. If the player makes a fuss, off he goes. Instead, it was the BAM and Govt which held the candle for spoiling MAS players, such that after we won TC 1992, there was no proper planning to defend it.

Even the BAM president was booted out after TC 1992 win, and for what? None of his successors have been able to emulate his success so far. He was the one who had the foresight to turn to Chinese coaches to work on the laziness and discipline of MAS players, such that we entered 3 consecutive finals from 88 to 92, and won the last one on the strength of 2 singles/2 doubles.

[hcpoirot]

:) Even the world top sport, soccer. You could be punished If you made fault not matter you are a top player or not.
But why in Indonesia PBSI always cover Taufik until he became a real "bad boy". This is the word (bad-boy) we always see in article or paper.
Heard that Taufik had attacked someone due to both their cars got scracthed on the road, and just asked PBSI settle the case for him? Not sure is that ture, but this is quite long time ago.

The car accident is true. His car hit someone car during Thomas-Uber Cup 2004 in Jakarta. If I am not wrong it was our prime minister or someone with high place in Indonesia. I forgot exactly who.

Of course at last the incident had been settled peacefully.

[Loh]

:D Yes, I agree with you. But this seems like directed to SIN country huh?
BTW, I think Malaysia will not buy any badminton player from other country.
I heard that Malaysia inviting Eng Hian to Malaysia not to be a player representive Malaysia, but just like a sparring trainer for the youngsters. But seems like Eng Hian not interested in it.

Of course some other countries also have imported players and this is not only restricted to badminton, it is rampant in soccer particularly! :D

If the reader has followed the discussion on 'imported foreign players', he or she would have at least understood some of the reasons behind this policy by the individual countries which import players.

For a start, some countries like Singapore is not well-endowed with a huge population like China, India or Indonesia. Even Malaysia, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines and Chinese Taipeh have much bigger populations than Singapore which has only about 3 million of its own people compared to China and India, which have more than a billion! So Singapore has a very, very small base to work with.

On its own and at its present level of sports development, Singapore is unable to produce enough world class players with its own citizens to be able to compete internationally. To become a professional sportsman is a very new thing here. Many parents and talented children still prefer the academic route, ie getting paper qualifications.

So, it is heartening to see that our SBA has at least started with the "foreign talent scheme" to import players who wish to be trained and developed into world class players. Such foreign players may not have the same opportunities in their own countries, simply because there are too many of them and only the best will be chosen.

Now if the SBA adopts the same posture as some of you who are 'anti-imports', then Singapore will not be able to participate in many world badminton tournaments and regional games. We will have to take a long, long time to develop our own talents to acceptable standards. Probably, interest will wane very fast as we could not produce champions who could create excitement and identity with the masses. Our annual 5-star Singapore Open may die a natural death because there will not be sponsors keen enough to support the event. Badminton fans like me will feel very sad and may be forced to give up the game eventually. Singapore will then probably be 'out of sight, out of mind'! :crying: :crying:

So, what is the choice? And how do you suggest that Singapore can produce world class players without resorting to imports for the time being? And what sort of time-frame in years do you think you can achieve success with your own limited number of local talents? :(

[jiayou]

in my opinion :

best & good badminton player or other sport must have fighting spirit & usually would like to play in most tournament. Because they just want to show their best & their best performance ( ambitious ).
Also want to be recognize in the world.

No problem with win or lose. It can be happen to any player. We are just a human.

Great example from Peter Gad & Lin Dan, if you all can see by yourself & always follow the tournament from year to year.

No reason for good mood or bad mood , etc...
It isnt a good example as a badminton player.

[Brave_Turtle]

I don't care what most of you guys saying. For me TH is still ''one'' of the greatest MS player nowadays.

Am I a diehard fan? Maybe. We all have favourite...

One thing though, if he really had an injury then it is a very valid reason to not play. I think some people are being very selfish telling how TH should do and shouldnt do.

We need more showman like him in badminton.

Back off haterz""! :mad:

[Brave_Turtle]

TH should be awarded as on of the top extreme athlete.
1) His results can go to extreme ends depending on his mood of course. He can be a Olympic gold medalist and also a lost as 15-0.
2) His is extremely fragile. "ALL PLAYERS ARE ADVISED NOT TO SMASH DIRECTLY ONTO TH BODY"
3) He is extremely problematic to PBSI.

Strange enough there are still diehard fans here who swear and pray to TH like their Badminton God. These people still think that he is the greatest of all. And when he participate in the tourney, these people will just assume that he will be in the final. But when he lost 15-0, these people will immediately imagine all kind of reasons such as injury or fever and etc. That's pathetic. How many times he did not make it to the final in the last 10 tourneys?

If TH is good he got to prove it that he is consistantly good and performed well as expected of him in all the matches he play. He can't just live by his past glory forever.

Man... I remember ppl saying those kind of stuff when he just won olympic also. PPl said its done for him and stuff like that and then he won WC.

Now you still think he won these by chance??

By the way he didnt make final in the last 10 tourneys cuz he didnt play all of them...

[yannie]

I heard from one of my professional friends from Indonesia that most of the players want to resign from PBSI.

He said that PBSI is treating them badly... there is also a lot of discrimination and corruption. :mad:

[Chu Liuxiang]

Of course some other countries also have imported players and this is not only restricted to badminton, it is rampant in soccer particularly! :D

If the reader has followed the discussion on 'imported foreign players', he or she would have at least understood some of the reasons behind this policy by the individual countries which import players.

For a start, some countries like Singapore is not well-endowed with a huge population like China, India or Indonesia. Even Malaysia, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines and Chinese Taipeh have much bigger populations than Singapore which has only about 3 million of its own people compared to China and India, which have more than a billion! So Singapore has a very, very small base to work with.

On its own and at its present level of sports development, Singapore is unable to produce enough world class players with its own citizens to be able to compete internationally. To become a professional sportsman is a very new thing here. Many parents and talented children still prefer the academic route, ie getting paper qualifications.

So, it is heartening to see that our SBA has at least started with the "foreign talent scheme" to import players who wish to be trained and developed into world class players. Such foreign players may not have the same opportunities in their own countries, simply because there are too many of them and only the best will be chosen.

Now if the SBA adopts the same posture as some of you who are 'anti-imports', then Singapore will not be able to participate in many world badminton tournaments and regional games. We will have to take a long, long time to develop our own talents to acceptable standards. Probably, interest will wane very fast as we could not produce champions who could create excitement and identity with the masses. Our annual 5-star Singapore Open may die a natural death because there will not be sponsors keen enough to support the event. Badminton fans like me will feel very sad and may be forced to give up the game eventually. Singapore will then probably be 'out of sight, out of mind'! :crying: :crying:

So, what is the choice? And how do you suggest that Singapore can produce world class players without resorting to imports for the time being? And what sort of time-frame in years do you think you can achieve success with your own limited number of local talents? :(

I think Singapore can always refer to Denmark whereby their population is also limited but still able to produce a lot of great badminton players . Never heard that Denmark imported any badminton players from any other countries. A lot of Danish badminton players who are good in academic ( University degree holder or even medical degree) also achieve good result in badminton career such as Poul Eric Hoyer Larson, Peter Rasmussen and etc.. So, it is not impossible for Singapore to follow Denmark steps. :D

[Carbonexer]

I don't care what most of you guys saying. For me TH is still ''one'' of the greatest MS player nowadays.

Am I a diehard fan? Maybe. We all have favourite...

One thing though, if he really had an injury then it is a very valid reason to not play. I think some people are being very selfish telling how TH should do and shouldnt do.

We need more showman like him in badminton.

Back off haterz""! :mad:

Looks like one of his devotee has just arrived. :D
Oh no. TH is injured? Wooow... looks like the devotees have already prepared their excuses well in advance. Could this be the sign where the devotees have begin to lose confident in their badminton god? Or are they sensing troubles ahead?

Anyway, if TH is really injured, then he really shouldn't be playing. For 2 obvious reasons.

1) If he lost (AGAIN) then his fans will say that he is injured (AGAIN) and didn't really lost the game. In fact, he has never "REALLY" lost a game before.
2) If he wins, then his fans will say that eventhough he is injured he still beat LD outta his s.

I have got so used to reason 1 but I have some doubt that I will get the chance to hear reason 2 in TC.

End of the day I really hope he don't play so the rest of us don't have to be irritated by those familiar crap excuses his devotees usually cook up for us to swallow.

[Carbonexer]

I think Singapore can always refer to Denmark whereby their population is also limited but still able to produce a lot of great badminton players . Never heard that Denmark imported any badminton players from any other countries. A lot of Danish badminton players who are good in academic ( University degree holder or even medical degree) also achieve good result in badminton career such as Poul Eric Hoyer Larson, Peter Rasmussen and etc.. So, it is not impossible for Singapore to follow Denmark steps. :D
Singaporean are too busy making more $$$$$$. Playing badminton don't make much $$$. Not enought to cover the high medical cost in singapore.

One evening, I came across 2 extremely good players playing in one of the cc in singapore and later found out that they both are not singaporean. :D

[Phydhel]

.................................................. . very sharp indeed

[Brave_Turtle]

Looks like one of his devotee has just arrived. :D
Oh no. TH is injured? Wooow... looks like the devotees have already prepared their excuses well in advance. Could this be the sign where the devotees have begin to lose confident in their badminton god? Or are they sensing troubles ahead?

Anyway, if TH is really injured, then he really shouldn't be playing. For 2 obvious reasons.

1) If he lost (AGAIN) then his fans will say that he is injured (AGAIN) and didn't really lost the game. In fact, he has never "REALLY" lost a game before.
2) If he wins, then his fans will say that eventhough he is injured he still beat LD outta his s.

I have got so used to reason 1 but I have some doubt that I will get the chance to hear reason 2 in TC.

End of the day I really hope he don't play so the rest of us don't have to be irritated by those familiar crap excuses his devotees usually cook up for us to swallow.

looks like the devotees have already prepared their excuses well in advance??

Dude what's your point on devotees and whats ur point on excuses?

Looks like one of his devotee has just arrived??

Yeah I just arrived I have almost 10 times ur number of post :p

Keep in mind that not all Taufik fans give excuses when he lose. Many agrees to say he clearly lost when he lost.

Your generalizing way too much on people who likes Taufik with ur ''devotees and excuses and crap of the kind''.

The 2 reasons u gave are just way too selfish. The real reason he shouldnt play is because if he's really injured it could be worst for his health.
Putting crap like ppl will think this, ppl will think that is just non-sense.

[aquaboi]

Looks like one of his devotee has just arrived. :D
Oh no. TH is injured? Wooow... looks like the devotees have already prepared their excuses well in advance. Could this be the sign where the devotees have begin to lose confident in their badminton god? Or are they sensing troubles ahead?

Anyway, if TH is really injured, then he really shouldn't be playing. For 2 obvious reasons.

1) If he lost (AGAIN) then his fans will say that he is injured (AGAIN) and didn't really lost the game. In fact, he has never "REALLY" lost a game before.
2) If he wins, then his fans will say that eventhough he is injured he still beat LD outta his s.

I have got so used to reason 1 but I have some doubt that I will get the chance to hear reason 2 in TC.

End of the day I really hope he don't play so the rest of us don't have to be irritated by those familiar crap excuses his devotees usually cook up for us to swallow.

man, what's up your @ss? jeez...

[aquaboi]

Totally agree. Although I do like how Taufik play his game.. but federer is still the greatest tennis player of all time.

hahaha...of course not...it's sampras...federer still has a long way to go. but i do think he'll better sampras' record.:D

[hcpoirot]

I heard from one of my professional friends from Indonesia that most of the players want to resign from PBSI.

He said that PBSI is treating them badly... there is also a lot of discrimination and corruption. :mad:

Yannie,

Why do you think Tony Gunawan moved to USA at his golden age (25 years old at the time) ? To study? Pleasseeeeee....

If PBSI treat all the players the same without difference, we will still had Mia, Tony and Halim playing for Indonesia. What an irony.

[yannie]

Yannie,

Why do you think Tony Gunawan moved to USA at his golden age (25 years old at the time) ? To study? Pleasseeeeee....

If PBSI treat all the players the same without difference, we will still had Mia, Tony and Halim playing for Indonesia. What an irony.

Yeah... btw my friend said that they were discriminating most against Chinese - Indos...

Ha... I hope all these players will have a brighter future after deciding to leave PBSI.

[cooler]

Yeah... btw my friend said that they were discriminating most against Chinese - Indos...

Ha... I hope all these players will have a brighter future after deciding to leave PBSI.
i'm surprised hendrawen stayed, the gov't treated him like 2nd class citizen. The president herself had to intervene to rush him a VISA , 1 day before the plane takes off, to leave INA to play the WC (which he won gold)

http://www.infid.be/chinesecorruption.html

[tutu_h]

Yeah... btw my friend said that they were discriminating most against Chinese - Indos...

Ha... I hope all these players will have a brighter future after deciding to leave PBSI.

if u didn't mention, i wouldn't have realised that those u left, resigning or r leaving PBSI are Indonesian Chinese. such as:

- Hendrawan
- Candra
- Eng Hian
- Tony
- Halim
- Limpele

on the contrary, they treat Taufik like a God, offer him land to play for thomas cup.

I hope this is not true.

[cooler]

if u didn't mention, i wouldn't have realised that those u left, resigning or r leaving PBSI are Indonesian Chinese. such as:

- Hendrawan
- Candra
- Eng Hian
- Tony
- Halim
- Limpele

on the contrary, they treat Taufik like a God, offer him land to play for thomas cup. Not giving him taufik is now like disrespecting his father in law...bad.

I hope this is not true.

taufik can call more shots now that he married a daugther of a very powerful man.

[EastDevil]

I think Singapore can always refer to Denmark whereby their population is also limited but still able to produce a lot of great badminton players . Never heard that Denmark imported any badminton players from any other countries. A lot of Danish badminton players who are good in academic ( University degree holder or even medical degree) also achieve good result in badminton career such as Poul Eric Hoyer Larson, Peter Rasmussen and etc.. So, it is not impossible for Singapore to follow Denmark steps. :D

Theoretically true but practically impossible for Singapore to be the same in the very near future. Singapore do not have any kind of natural resources or even agricultural space. As a result, its economy depends heavily on having enough manpower in the various industries to bring growth. Therefore, we do not have enough spare people to fail in order for a minute few to succeed in badminton. There are a lot of people in Singapore playing badminton for recreation but its not economically attractive. Playing to win US$10,000 in a ultra-tough big tournament is not as attractive as a normal job. Not to mention that its expensive just getting by during the years before you win anything.

I notice that most countries that frequently produce top sportsmen are either the easily rich and relaxed ones or the ones where most of the population are as poor as church mice. Its either you have too much time and you don't worry much about living expenses or it could be your one single shot to a good living. Of course, this is not proven as far as I know.

[EastDevil]

if u didn't mention, i wouldn't have realised that those u left, resigning or r leaving PBSI are Indonesian Chinese. such as:

- Hendrawan
- Candra
- Eng Hian
- Tony
- Halim
- Limpele

on the contrary, they treat Taufik like a God, offer him land to play for thomas cup.

I hope this is not true.

Maybe favouritism by race?

[tutu_h]

Theoretically true but practically impossible for Singapore to be the same in the very near future. Singapore do not have any kind of natural resources or even agricultural space. As a result, its economy depends heavily on having enough manpower in the various industries to bring growth. Therefore, we do not have enough spare people to fail in order for a minute few to succeed in badminton. There are a lot of people in Singapore playing badminton for recreation but its not economically attractive. Playing to win US$10,000 in a ultra-tough big tournament is not as attractive as a normal job. Not to mention that its expensive just getting by during the years before you win anything.

I notice that most countries that frequently produce top sportsmen are either the easily rich and relaxed ones or the ones where most of the population are as poor as church mice. Its either you have too much time and you don't worry much about living expenses or it could be your one single shot to a good living. Of course, this is not proven as far as I know.

well, 50% agree 50% disagree.

easily rich + relaxed ones + Poor = already described the entire world.

Denmark is richer than Singapore and the population is also consider less. Yet they prosper in Badminton, if u say easily rich, then Jens Eriksen is one good example. he is only a Lorry Driver, he plays badminton bcoz he likes it, the same goes to Peter Gade. Singapore, on the other hand do not seem to prosper in the sports which have high payout. e.g. Tennis, Golf, Football etc. instead, they r strong in unpopular games such as , Table Tennis (import players of course), swimming, Shooting (if i am not mistaken, they used to win Olympics medal or Asian games) etc.

to me, it is all about popularity and publicity of the sports. I believe singapore government can do wonders to what they want. unfortunately, things that don't reward the economy, they wouldn't do.

just my 2 cents.

[ctjcad]

Just want to make some quick comments to a few posts. Don't want to stray too much from the thread topic, as i've already seen some posts in here is going a bit off topic..:p


I heard from one of my professional friends from Indonesia that most of the players want to resign from PBSI.

He said that PBSI is treating them badly... there is also a lot of discrimination and corruption.
Hmm, interesting info you got there yannie..I'm not all surprised by all the "talk"..I think the main reason for all this is MONEY, which is tied in a way to the 2nd reason-corruption(which is almost a "norm" esp. in Indonesia). I just think PBSI lacked this factor that their hands are so tied and they can't get to where they want to go. I think both reasons are quite valid, esp. the former. We all can see throughout the past yr. or so, how so many of the junior players aren't being sent out to outside tournaments..And now so many of the juniors and new recruits already bailed ship. I guess the incident last year??or the yr. before where Icuk Sugiarto got into a verbal, and almost a physical spat with Taufik, was the big "sign"..And then his son Tommy left Pelatnas recently..

Yannie,
Why do you think Tony Gunawan moved to USA at his golden age (25 years old at the time) ? To study? Pleasseeeeee....

If PBSI treat all the players the same without difference, we will still had Mia, Tony and Halim playing for Indonesia. What an irony.
Hmm, i believe Tony left for U.S. in 2001/2002, so that will make him 26-27 yrs. old, but still in his prime. I guess he already could see what was coming if he would've stayed..

Yeah... btw my friend said that they were discriminating most against Chinese - Indos...

Ha... I hope all these players will have a brighter future after deciding to leave PBSI.
Not sure if they are specifically "discriminating" Chinese-Indos, but i think it's affecting everyone in general..A lot of long time coaches, players & personnels(Chinese or non-Chinese) have left PBSI for probably the same reason and plays for different countries..
Yah, I think those players that went overseas probably have a "brighter" future in a different way..



i'm surprised hendrawen stayed, the gov't treated him like 2nd class citizen. The president herself had to intervene to rush him a VISA , 1 day before the plane takes off, to leave INA to play the WC (which he won gold)
Hendrawan was let go recently by PBSI, wasn't he??..or he resigned??..
I think coach Christian Hadinata is still staying around..no??..


if u didn't mention, i wouldn't have realised that those u left, resigning or r leaving PBSI are Indonesian Chinese. such as:

- Hendrawan
- Candra
- Eng Hian
- Tony
- Halim
- Limpele

To add also Ronald Susilo..BTW, sorry, Flandy Limpele is of Chinese descent??

One thing is clear though, PBSI is a mess now..

[byelnats]

A really really bad day for Indonesian Badminton. When are you going to wake up PBSI!!

[yannie]

To add also Ronald Susilo..BTW, sorry, Flandy Limpele is of Chinese descent??

One thing is clear though, PBSI is a mess now..

Sorry.. is Alven also of Chinese descent??

[tutu_h]

Sorry.. is Alven also of Chinese descent??

this is my question too, he looks like chinese.

[Darth Andrianus]

Please everyone, being a Chinese Indonesian, I am especially sensitive to discrimination as a topic. While the temptation is great to just say PBSI is discriminating against Chinese Indonesians, I prefer to say they are just incompetent. There is already enough hate in the world, let's examine the evidence properly before we can throw this discrimination claim in their direction.

Firstly, Mia left because she married a Dutch National and went off to Netherlands to be with him. Of course I don't know how she really felt about PBSI, but I read that immediately after she became Dutch citizen, she actually requested that PBSI still allow her to train with the Indonesian team. If she really thought PBSI was evil in that sense, she wouldn't do this.

As for Candra, no matter what, you have to admit he was given the opportunity together with Tony/Halim to go out there and do their best for their country and win their Olympic and WC medals which they did. So I really don't think there is discrimination there.

As for Hendrawan, very unfortunate that the President had to intervene. For Eng Hian, I cannot say whether his ethnic background had anything to do with this.

As for Taufik, the guy was just being spoilt by PBSI. He was wrong for demanding special treatment (it would be wrong to think he didn't ask for any of that) and the officials are at fault for giving it to him.

The ultimate evidence of all, in the 1990s when discrimination against Chinese Indonesians was a lot worse than it is today, Indonesian badminton was dominant and a force to deal with. You can represent your country regardless of your ethnic background as long as you can win your gold medals.

My conclusion: PBSI is incompetent, they need to wake up and smell the coffee...hell, make that an espresso!

[ctjcad]

Sorry.. is Alven also of Chinese descent??

this is my question too, he looks like chinese.
I believe Alven is of chinese descent..

[cooler]

My conclusion: PBSI is incompetent, they need to wake up and smell the coffee...hell, make that an espresso!

incompetency is just a generalization encompassing:
-greed
-discrimination
-and basic self interest.

i do not think pbsi officals have low IQ type incompetency.

I wrote here before that when suharto went down, INA badminton will degrade from that point onward.

[byelnats]

You mean, of course, that he consistently lost the big matches? In the Olympics, to Susilo, in the All England, to Chen Hong, in the Singapore and Malaysia Open to Taufik and LCW respectively, in the WC to Taufik. History remembers the ones who bag the big matches.
Could not agree more than this. It does not matter how consistent he seems. The history will only record those who won the most prestigious event e.g. Olympic and World Championship. Both of them worth even more if they are won consecutively.

LD for the top world athlete is possible, but he better starts winning prestigious titles first before even dreaming of it. He won a lot of grandprixes and it is a huge achievement, but let's face it. Nowadays, the worth of 20 grandprixes is still lower than 2 of the most prestigious titles in badminton put together.

[byelnats]

Looks like one of his devotee has just arrived. :D
Oh no. TH is injured? Wooow... looks like the devotees have already prepared their excuses well in advance. Could this be the sign where the devotees have begin to lose confident in their badminton god? Or are they sensing troubles ahead?

Anyway, if TH is really injured, then he really shouldn't be playing. For 2 obvious reasons.

1) If he lost (AGAIN) then his fans will say that he is injured (AGAIN) and didn't really lost the game. In fact, he has never "REALLY" lost a game before.
2) If he wins, then his fans will say that eventhough he is injured he still beat LD outta his s.

I have got so used to reason 1 but I have some doubt that I will get the chance to hear reason 2 in TC.

End of the day I really hope he don't play so the rest of us don't have to be irritated by those familiar crap excuses his devotees usually cook up for us to swallow.
What the hell is wrong with you. To me it sounds more like you are jealous he is such a good player or whatever reason you have. Your comment is very childish, grow up, jeez!

Just for the record, I think PBSI is crap nowadays and Taufik is too spoiled and yes, he needs to be spanked. However, I think he really is injured. Otherwise, they will have sent him to Asian Championship. Can't you even understand this common sense?

Lastly, all your comments about him are about bad things. I am guessing one or more of your favourite players once defeated by TH and now you hold grudge. Grow up, for goodness sake...well...unless you are still a kid.

I totally agree with Adrianus up there. Look at the legendary Indonesian players such as Lim Swie King and Rudy Hartono. They are chinese ethnic. So, it is just the PBSI incompetent. In case of Taufik, he is just being too spoiled and personally I don't like his attitude, but it is the PBSI fault too to give in to him. PBSI as a "parent" cannot educate his "child". So, there you go, big slump on Indonesian badminton.

[cooler]

degree of neck and back injury are hard to tell but for now i would give taufik the benefit of the doubt. I think he deserves some rest after his wedding. If he skipped the asian open for TC, i wouldn't blame him or pbsi for that. Look at zhang ning, she played 'slow' at tournaments just following her wedding. Yes, pressure on taufik will be VERY HIGH in this TC.

I wonder what kind of 'bonus' taufik get if INA wins the TC;)

[Ningtyas]

degree of neck and back injury are hard to tell but for now i would give taufik the benefit of the doubt. I think he deserves some rest after his wedding. If he skipped the asian open for TC, i wouldn't blame him or pbsi for that. Look at zhang ning, she played 'slow' at tournaments just following her wedding. Yes, pressure on taufik will be VERY HIGH in this TC.

I wonder what kind of 'bonus' taufik get if INA wins the TC;)

I guess even with Taufik the chance for Indonesia to win the TC is very slim.
Taufik promise to play in the TC, but I doubt he will play his best there. He won't be shine this time. I guess we must wait a bit longer to see Taufik in his best again.

[jiayou]

this is my question too, he looks like chinese.

yes , he is 100% a chinese overseas. I know him ;)

[streamyx]

my opinion is this. The root cause of it is the week management. We really cannot affort the player to affect the management and hence as a consequence it give a side effect to a player that. If they are really good they can turn anybody on as they like. China had give us a good example, still remember the case in "Tian Liang" the Olimpic gold medal for Men diving king? Because of he displine issue, China had kicked him out from the National team. Because, the management think that we put in country money and effort to train a player that can really reward the country and not turn against the them.
For Taufik case, how many year more can he still play? Give him 3 years? 4 Years? At that age he is getting older, Why not concentrate to train up new player and dick up more talent player instead of putting time n effort in him??
It PBSI does not handle this issue properly, it really hint or leave a bad expample to the player that. Once i am good, i m in control.. Does not care u r PBSI or who u r....
U get my point here ??

[abedeng]

On its own and at its present level of sports development, Singapore is unable to produce enough world class players with its own citizens to be able to compete internationally. To become a professional sportsman is a very new thing here. Many parents and talented children still prefer the academic route, ie getting paper qualifications.

So, it is heartening to see that our SBA has at least started with the "foreign talent scheme" to import players who wish to be trained and developed into world class players. Such foreign players may not have the same opportunities in their own countries, simply because there are too many of them and only the best will be chosen.

Loh,

S'pore can start off with the foreign talent scheme first, just to have a good base. Eg. women's table tennis is quite strong already. Once this phase is strong enough, I am sure a lot of S'poreans will take notice and have less resistance to their children excelling in sports. From then onwards, S'pore should emphasize more on home-grown talent. The issue of small population base does not arise, Uruguay can win 2 football World Cups with a population smaller than S'pore.

Some regulations may have to be changed/adjusted, such as male national trainees are excluded/delayed from national service till after their playing career/dropped from the team. Reason being those 2 years under NS are at the athlete's prime, he'd be better off on full time training.
And maybe university places/coaching jobs could be guaranteed for ex-national players? Of course, they should still meet the basic requirements.

[Loh]

yes , he is 100% a chinese overseas. I know him ;)

How well do you know him? Some say he has Javanese blood. If he's Indonesian Chinese, what is his Chinese name, if he has one or at least his father's Chinese surname. ;)

[hcpoirot]

Hmm, i believe Tony left for U.S. in 2001/2002, so that will make him 26-27 yrs. old, but still in his prime. I guess he already could see what was coming if he would've stayed..

There are already something not quite right then before Tony leaves. Probably about dividing the bonus money from sponsor. Some top player got more bonus money while other top players get less.




Hendrawan was let go recently by PBSI, wasn't he??..or he resigned??..
I think coach Christian Hadinata is still staying around..no??..

No, Hendrawan resigned after being treated badly by PBSI. After winning Thomas Cup for Indonesia in 2002, he got injured. After he recover, PBSI never send him anymore to any events so he had to used his own money to enter some events in Europe.

But probably he is not really recover and the results is not very good form those events. After that he resigned and now coach the woman singles in PBSI.

Yes, Christian still staying as PBSI official if I am not wrong.
To add also Ronald Susilo..BTW, sorry, Flandy Limpele is of Chinese descent??

One thing is clear though, PBSI is a mess now..[/quote]

[hcpoirot]

my opinion is this. The root cause of it is the week management. We really cannot affort the player to affect the management and hence as a consequence it give a side effect to a player that. If they are really good they can turn anybody on as they like. China had give us a good example, still remember the case in "Tian Liang" the Olimpic gold medal for Men diving king? Because of he displine issue, China had kicked him out from the National team. Because, the management think that we put in country money and effort to train a player that can really reward the country and not turn against the them.
For Taufik case, how many year more can he still play? Give him 3 years? 4 Years? At that age he is getting older, Why not concentrate to train up new player and dick up more talent player instead of putting time n effort in him??
It PBSI does not handle this issue properly, it really hint or leave a bad expample to the player that. Once i am good, i m in control.. Does not care u r PBSI or who u r....
U get my point here ??

But PBSI didn't had this thought. (the officials)

All they want are kept the money maker players as tight as they can. Give this golden players what they want and don't care with other players specially young players who didn't shine enough.

No wonder now after only staying 2-4 years in Pelatnas (National team) lots of young players resigned theirselves cause they tought PBSI didn't gave them chance to play in any events. What good if you train everyday but you haven't got any chance.

Even when they got the chance tolay tournaments, PBSI made imposibble target like minimal had to enter semifinal or they will get punishment. Whatt???? Even top players cannot do that all the time.

All PBSI wanted now is instant result. But in order to have good result the new players had to gain experience first by following lots of events that PBSI thought is wasting their money.

They wanted player like Susi Susanti, Mia Audina and Taufik Hidayat who had incredible talent and already had good result after only entering few events. But how many players are that talented? Even in the whole world, we only got a few.

After more than 10 years we still cannot find another Susi, Mia or Taufik.

Because PBSI wanted instant TOP results in any events (meaning grab a title or two), they only send the same players again and again. Discriminating the female players by who even probably play less tournaments than Vietnam or India players this year. How sad!

If PBSI didn't made new management soon, Indonesia Badminton will be doom. Can the officials think clearly than how to make more money????

[ctjcad]

yes , he is 100% a chinese overseas. I know him

How well do you know him? Some say he has Javanese blood. If he's Indonesian Chinese, what is his Chinese name, if he has one or at least his father's Chinese surname. ;)
sorry to cut in and getting a bit off topic, but regarding Alven Yulianto not sure if he's 100% chinese or not(could be). But he's a Javanese for sure(East Java, from Surabaya, to be exact)..I met him last yr. @ the WC but forgot to ask his chinese surname, also as far as i remember i don't recall him speaking mandarin(maybe other chinese dialect)..:rolleyes:

[ctjcad]

Hmm, i believe Tony left for U.S. in 2001/2002, so that will make him 26-27 yrs. old, but still in his prime. I guess he already could see what was coming if he would've stayed..

There are already something not quite right then before Tony leaves. Probably about dividing the bonus money from sponsor. Some top player got more bonus money while other top players get less.
Exactly...Tony probably realized where it was going and didn't want to get himself caught up even further in the "politicking" part whilst playing, which he probably knew all along..Instead he made the right decision for himself..


Hendrawan was let go recently by PBSI, wasn't he??..or he resigned??..
I think coach Christian Hadinata is still staying around..no??..


No, Hendrawan resigned after being treated badly by PBSI. After winning Thomas Cup for Indonesia in 2002, he got injured. After he recover, PBSI never send him anymore to any events so he had to used his own money to enter some events in Europe.

But probably he is not really recover and the results is not very good form those events. After that he resigned and now coach the woman singles in PBSI.
Yah, i know..Sorry, I was referring to his current situation, which mentioned that he's no longer part of PBSI coaching staff??..but forgot whether he resigned or was let go??..

[ctjcad]

All they want are kept the money maker players as tight as they can. Give this golden players what they want and don't care with other players specially young players who didn't shine enough.

If PBSI didn't made new management soon, Indonesia Badminton will be doom. Can the officials think clearly than how to make more money????
Yup, you touched the main issue again, it goes back to *money*. Thing is, we don't know if PBSI really don't have any funds or they have it but just keeping it for particular activities or themselves(ie. Taufik??)..It goes to show clearly what PBSI is "lacking", or what they often times mentioned, and none of it was magnified by last yr's WC's last minute debacle-They've approved several qualified players to going(incl. women players), but then taking their names off from competing last minute. Another was last yr's event where they held the biggest badminton games on a public street to make a world record(along with somekind of ABC's general meeting)??After that, i read that some officials weren't happy with that event, saying the governor/chairman of PBSI(Mr. Sutiyoso) spent too much money on such events, rather than using it to improve and sponsor the national players??..
So, for what it is now, for whatever reason they may have, i personally don't think PBSI(esp. the upper management) really care too much abt the future and prestige of it's program or sport itself..:p :confused:

[hcpoirot]

Yah, i know..Sorry, I was referring to his current situation, which mentioned that he's no longer part of PBSI coaching staff??..but forgot whether he resigned or was let go??..

So sad for Hendrawan.

Indonesia tradition. They never appreciated the coaches even in badminton. If you win, the player and the officials will get all the name, money and glory. If you lost, the coach will be the first to blame and get fired or forced to resigned.

[Loh]

Loh,

S'pore can start off with the foreign talent scheme first, just to have a good base. Eg. women's table tennis is quite strong already. Once this phase is strong enough, I am sure a lot of S'poreans will take notice and have less resistance to their children excelling in sports. From then onwards, S'pore should emphasize more on home-grown talent. The issue of small population base does not arise, Uruguay can win 2 football World Cups with a population smaller than S'pore.

Some regulations may have to be changed/adjusted, such as male national trainees are excluded/delayed from national service till after their playing career/dropped from the team. Reason being those 2 years under NS are at the athlete's prime, he'd be better off on full time training.
And maybe university places/coaching jobs could be guaranteed for ex-national players? Of course, they should still meet the basic requirements.

I agree with most of what you've said and I think small countries can also excel although it is more difficult, depending on the mentality and priorities of their citizens and leadership.

When Singapore has built up a sufficiently large quality base through its foreign talent scheme and attract locals to aspire as professional sportspeople, then the FTS can be dissolved over time. But this cannot be at the expense of standards as we need to engage ourselves with the world badminton community, which will keep on improving. Therefore we need time and special efforts to ensure that our goals are met.

The NS (National Service) issue is a rather sensitive one. As it is compulsory for all able-bodied male citizens and PR (Permanent Residents) 18 years and above to be trained and serve in the military establishments for a period of 2 years, no one can escape this obligation, not even the national sportsmen or children of politicians. I believe the establishment is now more flexible and time-off is normally given to those who need to train for very important national events whenever possible. But it is still very demanding on the local national player who has to serve NS as he has to perform dual-duties as a military personnel and sportsman. NS sportsmen must have to learn to cope.

Increasingly, the authorities are looking into ways to help young sports people to further their studies or professional training in other areas and to find suitable jobs. The Singapore Sports School, for example is now linked up with institutions of higher learning either locally or internationally and the Singapore Sports Council and the National Sports Associations do give out bursaries and scholarships to deserving athletes. Some NSAs, like the SBA, have set up endowment funds to help the retired athlete to start life anew. :)

[Loh]

I think Singapore can always refer to Denmark whereby their population is also limited but still able to produce a lot of great badminton players . Never heard that Denmark imported any badminton players from any other countries. A lot of Danish badminton players who are good in academic ( University degree holder or even medical degree) also achieve good result in badminton career such as Poul Eric Hoyer Larson, Peter Rasmussen and etc.. So, it is not impossible for Singapore to follow Denmark steps. :D

Yes I always admire Denmark for her exceptional qualities, not only in the production of world-class badminton players and as the top European badminton nation, but also in the soccer field.

I think Danish badminton players are a very special breed because, as you've highlighted, most of them are good both in studies and in sports. That is why Denmark can be a good role-model for many countries, including Singapore. Denmark's sports culture is rare and exceptional in this sense.

And, maybe because Danish badminton players have to spread their time between training and studying at the same time, they can last longer in the biological sense as many Danish players were still at their prime even after 30 years of age. Olympic champion Hoyer-Larsen is a good example.

I certainly hope young Singaporeans can adopt that Danish attitude that "nothing is impossible"! :)

[Loh]

No, Hendrawan resigned after being treated badly by PBSI. After winning Thomas Cup for Indonesia in 2002, he got injured. After he recover, PBSI never send him anymore to any events so he had to used his own money to enter some events in Europe.

But probably he is not really recover and the results is not very good form those events. After that he resigned and now coach the woman singles in PBSI.

Yes, Christian still staying as PBSI official if I am not wrong.
To add also Ronald Susilo..BTW, sorry, Flandy Limpele is of Chinese descent??



Hendrawan has now gone overseas with his own money again! ;) This time to Japan! I recently saw him wearing a red T-shirt with "Japan" printed on it at the recent Asian Badminton Championships at Johor Baru, Malaysia. He is now the women's singles coach for Japan and although it was Park Joo Bong who stole the limelight at the ABC during T Mori's SF and Final's performance when she lost narrowly to reigning champion, Wang Chen, in three games. It must be Hendrawan who created the most impact on a very much-improved Mori, although Hendrawan could not have coached her for much more than 3 months. I don't know when Hendrawan left Indonesia to coach Japan, but you can be sure, with both Park Joo Bong and him around, Japan will not be a push-over during the forthcoming TC and UC final rounds in Japn.

On the Indonesian political front during the fifties and sixties, unfortunately, Indonesian Chinese have suffered the most because mainland China was communist in ideology and was seen as supporting like-minded organisations and guerrilla forces in Southeast Asia to try to destabilize and overthrow their respective governments. The Indonesian authorities took a very strict stance and many Indonesian Chinese, including some well-known badminton personalities, and even those born locally, were forced to flee to China to escape untoward consequences. As a result, the Chinese in Indonesia were not permitted to use their Chinese names but to adopt Indonesian names instead and the use of the Chinese language in the open was prohibited. When things have subsided and peace returned, the more hardworking Chinese became successful business people and their accummulated wealth became a real problem as many local Indonesians were very poor and still are. The income disparity became wider and wider over the years and this has led to racial riots which caused much damage to property and lives.

Now that China herself has changed to adopt something like a "socialist-capitalist" economic system and has openly denounced her support to communist guerrilla forces elsewhere many years ago (even in Singapore), tensions have eased in countries where Chinese are in the minority. Indonesian Chinese can now return to the study of their own language and revive Chinese culture, but racial riots can still flare up from time to time if the government is not alert. Unfortunately differences in religion and in wealth particularly, can ignite those fears once again. :(

[abedeng]

When Singapore has built up a sufficiently large quality base through its foreign talent scheme and attract locals to aspire as professional sportspeople, then the FTS can be dissolved over time. But this cannot be at the expense of standards as we need to engage ourselves with the world badminton community, which will keep on improving. Therefore we need time and special efforts to ensure that our goals are met.

The NS (National Service) issue is a rather sensitive one. As it is compulsory for all able-bodied male citizens and PR (Permanent Residents) 18 years and above to be trained and serve in the military establishments for a period of 2 years, no one can escape this obligation, not even the national sportsmen or children of politicians. I believe the establishment is now more flexible and time-off is normally given to those who need to train for very important national events whenever possible. But it is still very demanding on the local national player who has to serve NS as he has to perform dual-duties as a military personnel and sportsman. NS sportsmen must have to learn to cope.
:)

History had shown that once you have started a rhythm going, it should be easy to maintain a consistently high standard. For S'pore, the obvious sport which maintained pretty high standards (at least at Asian levels) for many years is aquatics (and this was before Tao Li's time). The same thing could happen to table tennis and badminton too.

Though I'm not S'porean, I am in favour of your style of NS. In the interest of excellence in sports, I am not suggesting full exemption, rather have the sportsmen delay their NS duties till after their career.

Sports is pretty demanding nowadays, even a few weeks break from training would affect a player's rhythm. Just look at our squash women's World Champion, Nicol David, who failed to land a medal in Commonwealth Games. 2 years break for NS could be catastrophic in terms of development, and even if they are allowed part-time training during NS, it's just not the same because they don't have constant momentum.

[ctjcad]

Hendrawan has now gone overseas with his own money again! ;) This time to Japan! I recently saw him wearing a red T-shirt with "Japan" printed on it at the recent Asian Badminton Championships at Johor Baru, Malaysia. He is now the women's singles coach for Japan and although it was Park Joo Bong who stole the limelight at the ABC during T Mori's SF and Final's performance when she lost narrowly to reigning champion, Wang Chen, in three games. It must be Hendrawan who created the most impact on a very much-improved Mori, although Hendrawan could not have coached her for much more than 3 months. I don't know when Hendrawan left Indonesia to coach Japan, but you can be sure, with both Park Joo Bong and him around, Japan will not be a push-over during the forthcoming TC and UC final rounds in Japn.
Off topic, but just want to reply to this post..
Wow, that's a news to me, thanks for the info Loh. BTW, mind sharing the source where you got it from??..
My opinion on his move to coach the Japan National team, i think it's a win-win for both himself and the Japanese National Team. And i agree, what a big boost for the Japanese team, if he indeed is teaming up with Park Joo Bong as i can see much improve standard of play from the Japanese Singles players. Albeit the move came out of his own pocket, it was a much better move for him, esp. considering his age(professional-wise) and what he can work with esp. with what the Japanese team has to offer in their talent pool. Also we don't know when did he actually join the Japanese Team and for how long will he coach there, hopefully he'll stay there for a while. Also, another question, will he coach both the Men and Women's Single players or just the Womens.

Well, there goes another quality player/coach who left Indonesia, just like other previous talents.

[taufik-ist]

there's no discrimination in PBSI :) believe me !!!!

hendrawan resigned becos his team (ina women) were not sent to asia badminton championship

[byelnats]

I am not very happy Hendrawan moved to another country, but I can understand his decision. GO HENDRAWAN!

[taufik-ist]

i've heard that rexy mainaky will be brought home next year, he and his brother Richard Mainaky will couch md

[ctjcad]

i've heard that rexy mainaky will be brought home next year, he and his brother Richard Mainaky will couch md

Wow, if the news is true(i guess we'll just wait and see) he finally is going back home..So, does that mean coach Christian will no longer be the MD's head coach??..

[taufik-ist]

Wow, if the news is true(i guess we'll just wait and see) he finally is going back home..So, does that mean coach Christian will no longer be the MD's head coach??..

yes, it's next sutiyoso's ambisius project, christian will be their supervisor.

but if mas is successful to win tc 2006, rexy will choose stay in malaysia