Question about new 21-point sytem and red card

[bchaiyow]

Question: In doubles and the new 21-point system, if receiving team receives a red card, and because the serving team receives a point, who gets to server now....the original server but switching side, original server but no switch, or the other server?

thanks

bchaiyow

[robc06]

Ive never known anyone to get a red card.....

[2wheels04]

Question: In doubles and the new 21-point system, if receiving team receives a red card, and because the serving team receives a point, who gets to server now....the original server but switching side, original server but no switch, or the other server?

The short answer is: the serving side earned a point and will resume the game from there.

If this point wins the game (or match) then so be it.

Any time a red card is awarded, it is a fault on whoever earned it. Ain't baddy so forgiving, since in footy, you take an early shower and your team plays 1 short.

Unless it was blatant, one generally accumulates two yellows when the magician in the high chair changes the colour to red.

It is wise at the time of red-card to regroup and just go with the flow of the game, and not do anything foolish like earn the black card from the ref (that's the fellow wearing a red shirt and can make you disappear from the court). That will be a DQ, and then even your teammates will disown you.

When you mention "original server but with switching side," this is still on their side of the net.

ps: if you get a chance, watch the video of TC06 MD MAL v DEN, lotsa cards and tempers flying besides the shuttles; follow the video thread at this site (http://www.badmintonforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33042)

[robc06]

How do you get a Red Card? Swearing? Abusing the Umpire? Never seen a red card been given

[CWB001]

How do you get a Red Card? Swearing? Abusing the Umpire? Never seen a red card been given

It is all in the laws:

"16.4 Delay in play


16.4.1 Under no circumstances shall play be delayed to enable a player to recover strength or wind or to receive advice.
16.4.2 The umpire shall be the sole judge of any delay in play.

16.5 Advice and leaving the court


16.5.1 Only when the shuttle is not in play (Law 15), shall a player be permitted to receive advice during a match.
16.5.2 No player shall leave the court during a match without the umpire’s permission, except during the intervals as described in Law 16.2.

16.6 A player shall not:

16.6.1 deliberately cause delay in, or suspension of, play;
16.6.2 deliberately modify or damage the shuttle in order to change its speed or its flight;
16.6.3 behave in an offensive manner; or
16.6.4 be guilty of misconduct not otherwise covered by the Laws of Badminton.

16.7 Administration of breach

16.7.1 The umpire shall administer any breach of Law 16.4, 16.5 or 16.6 by:

16.7.1.1 issuing a warning to the offending side;
16.7.1.2 faulting the offending side, if previously warned. Two such faults by a side shall be considered to be a persistent offence; or
16.7.2 in cases of flagrant offence, persistent offences or breach of Law 16.2, the umpire shall fault the offending side and report the offending side immediately to the Referee, who shall have the power to disqualify the offending side from the match.
A yellow card is the warning referred to in 16.7.1.1 and a red card is the fault referred to in 16.7.1.2. A black card is the disqualification referred to in 16.7.2.

[robc06]

Okay now I understand. Ive never seen a yellow or red card been given t any player in competition or in tournaments.

[CWB001]

Okay now I understand. Ive never seen a yellow or red card been given t any player in competition or in tournaments.

I saw it for the first time about three weekends ago. An U16 player lost unexpectedly in the semi-final of a junior county open tournament. After the last point he threw his racquet away and it broke. He was yellow-carded instantly and, of course, the warning hung over him for the remainder of the event that day. So if he had transgressed further he would have lost a point. He didn't.

[Neil Nicholls]

because the laws say "fault the offending side" I think you proceed as if a rally had been played and the offending side had lost it.

So if the receiving side is faulted, the server changes sides.
If the serving side is faulted, the reciving side gain a point and the serve.

P.S.
Simon Archer got a red card in the 2002 Commonwealth Games in a XD game in the individual events. Might have been against Shirley/Runestan-Petersen in the semi?

[bchaiyow]

because the laws say "fault the offending side" I think you proceed as if a rally had been played and the offending side had lost it.

So if the receiving side is faulted, the server changes sides.
If the serving side is faulted, the reciving side gain a point and the serve.

P.S.
Simon Archer got a red card in the 2002 Commonwealth Games in a XD game in the individual events. Might have been against Shirley/Runestan-Petersen in the semi?

thanks Neil, but question:

In the TC 2006 SF between msia/denmark, msia (server) got a red card but msia still served right? So, that means, even if receiving side receives fault, serving side will serve as if nothing happened ie stay on same side...??? Please, please, hope someone can clarify...

thanks

bchaiyow

[Neil Nicholls]

In the TC 2006 SF between msia/denmark, msia (server) got a red card but msia still served right?
maybe we need the IBF to clarify.

[wuldup]

If you have the video, could you upload in Youtube? :)

Thanks


The short answer is: the serving side earned a point and will resume the game from there.

If this point wins the game (or match) then so be it.

Any time a red card is awarded, it is a fault on whoever earned it. Ain't baddy so forgiving, since in footy, you take an early shower and your team plays 1 short.

Unless it was blatant, one generally accumulates two yellows when the magician in the high chair changes the colour to red.

It is wise at the time of red-card to regroup and just go with the flow of the game, and not do anything foolish like earn the black card from the ref (that's the fellow wearing a red shirt and can make you disappear from the court). That will be a DQ, and then even your teammates will disown you.

When you mention "original server but with switching side," this is still on their side of the net.

ps: if you get a chance, watch the video of TC06 MD MAL v DEN, lotsa cards and tempers flying besides the shuttles; follow the video thread at this site (http://www.badmintonforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33042)

[nlambino]

Last year (im not sure what tournament but it was sometime between september-november), I saw a MD match between China (FHF/CY) and Korea (LYD/JJS) where FHF broke the strings of his racket and was able to get a spare racket while the shuttlecock was in play. Although he did not cause any delay in play, his action might have distracted their opponents. FHF was not faulted for this.

Should FHF be faulted for that action or not??

[a|extan]

i have never seen a yellow or red card shown in a badminton match

in soccer match, yes..... very common

[2wheels04]

Last year (im not sure what tournament but it was sometime between september-november), I saw a MD match between China (FHF/CY) and Korea (LYD/JJS) where FHF broke the strings of his racket and was able to get a spare racket while the shuttlecock was in play. Although he did not cause any delay in play, his action might have distracted their opponents. FHF was not faulted for this.

Should FHF be faulted for that action or not??

Looks like you are referring to the 2009 China Masters MDSF match, http://bit.ly/xL3dm3, or is it the Kores SS MDF http://bit.ly/AsE7Cv?

A player does not need permission to leave the court and its immediate vicinity during active play to change racquet/s. There are many elite level players who will leave a racquet above their bags for a quick-change. Astute umpires are aware of such player behaviour.

What is more, players are also aware that the opponent has a broken string, and would be targeting him/her for the next shot, and it becomes a game of cat-mouse; look at the MDF match in the Korea SS http://bit.ly/AsE7Cv. The racquet may or may not have broken strings for a change.

It is not a fault for leaving the court without any sort of permission to retrieve a spare racquet from its immediate surroundings.


However, contrary to what a|extan wrote:

i have never seen a yellow or red card shown in a badminton match

in soccer match, yes..... very common

There are yellow and red cards shown in a badminton match, however, not so far for the quick-change of racquet.

In soccer (football) matches, there are more cards shown for players leaving the pitch, and almost all of them are after scoring a goal - for excessive celebration and drawing attention to himself/herself, or for delaying the restart. One of the unusual booking happened recently - for a nature-break when the player did not inform the referee: http://bit.ly/vfxAhJ.