Indonesian Players - English/Chinese Names

[EastDevil]

Does anyone have a list of Indonesian players' English and Chinese names?

[sugar_free]

Does anyone have a list of Indonesian players' English and Chinese names? I only know Rudy Hartono's chinese name, Liang Hai Liang, if i'm not mistaken. His family name is the same as mine:D ...

[taufik-ist]

lim swie king -> lim swie king :)

[taufik-ist]

I only know Rudy Hartono's chinese name, Liang Hai Liang, if i'm not mistaken. His family name is the same as mine:D ...

you and rudi hartono come from same ancestor :D

[sugar_free]

you and rudi hartono come from same ancestor :D
I hope so... hehehehe... My father said that rudi is also a hokkienese and my father is also from east java (rudi is also from east java right?), so who knows? :D Maybe you are right...

[EastDevil]

lim swie king -> lim swie king :)

THANKS a lot! :p

I think Candra is Chen something right?

[sugar_free]

THANKS a lot! :p

I think Candra is Chen something right?
His chinese name is Chen Jia Liang

[hara^kazuko]

sorry, i just don't get it.. u mean every indonesian has a chinese name?

[EastDevil]

sorry, i just don't get it.. u mean every indonesian has a chinese name?

Not every. Many of them are actually chinese indonesian.

[EastDevil]

I think Mia Audina is Zhang Hai Li?

[EastDevil]

Okay, what we have so far:

- Rudy Hartono = Liang Hai Liang
- Candra Wijaya = Chen Jia Liang
- Tony Gunawan = Wu Jun Ming
- Mia Audina = Zhang Hai Li

[peace]

Susi Susanti = Wang Liang Xiang

[yannie]

Susi Susanti = Wang Liang Xiang

It's Wang Lian Xiang...

[ChompChomp]

here r sum tat i noe...

Hendrawan = Ye Chen Wan
Indra Wijaya = Chen Jia Yi (chandra's brother,ex ina MS)
Ronald Susilo = Lin Yu Feng

[EastDevil]

Okay, what we have so far:

- Rudy Hartono = Liang Hai Liang
- Chandra Wijaya = Chen Jia Liang
- Tony Gunawan = Wu Jun Ming
- Mia Audina = Zhang Hai Li
- Hendrawan = Ye Chen Wan (Full name?)
- Indra Wijaya = Chen Jia Yi (chandra's brother,ex ina MS)
- Ronald Susilo = Lin Yu Feng
- Susi Susanti = Wang Lian Xiang

[Bbn]

Alan Budi Kesuma = Goey Ren Fang.Eng Hian.Kho Mei Hwa,Ivanna Lie Eng Hoa.Indra Gunawan is Zhang sth.

Dont be deceived by looks, a lot of Inas & Malaysians look like chinese but they may be Dayaks, Kadazans etc,
they are more like China Minority people in Yunnan etc.

[X Ball]

you and rudi hartono come from same ancestor :D

A wicked thought -- maybe he took Rudi Hartono so that he would not be associated to you.:p

[maa2003]

But Ronald Susilo is Singapore Citizen already .........
Thanks for the info ......... during discussion with my China collegue, they didn't know Susi Susanti and keep said not her .......... eventhough when they saw me the pics it was Susi Susanti .........

I think only Liem Swie King, Kho Mei Hwa, Eng Hian and Ivanna Lie are the player who keep their original name in all their official documents, others using their Indonesian name.


Okay, what we have so far:
- Rudy Hartono = Liang Hai Liang
- Chandra Wijaya = Chen Jia Liang
- Tony Gunawan = Wu Jun Ming
- Mia Audina = Zhang Hai Li
- Hendrawan = Ye Chen Wan (Full name?)
- Indra Wijaya = Chen Jia Yi (chandra's brother,ex ina MS)
- Ronald Susilo = Lin Yu Feng
- Susi Susanti = Wang Lian Xiang

[Qidong]

Just cursious, does it mean,

Liang (in Chinese) == Hartono (in Indoesian)
Wijaya (in Chinese) == Chen (in Indonesian)
Gunawan (in Chinese) == Wu (in Indoneisian)
....

[EastDevil]

Just cursious, does it mean,

Liang (in Chinese) == Hartono (in Indoesian)
Wijaya (in Chinese) == Chen (in Indonesian)
Gunawan (in Chinese) == Wu (in Indoneisian)
....

No. But I do know that some surnames adopted by chinese indonesians tend to contain the sounds of their chinese surnames.

As a result, my guest is that Chandra contains Chan which is a dialect version of Chen, Gunawan perhaps contains the sound of Goh which is a dialect version of Wu.

But this might not be accurate. Although my best friend is chinese indonesian but he never adopted an indonesian name and our group of other chinese indonesian friends never explained about their indonesian surnames. It somehow didn't occur as a topic before. But I vaguely remembered hearing something like that from someone before.

[maa2003]

yeah you are right, e.g. Goh became Gozali, Lim became Halim, Wee became Wijaya, Tan became Tanu, etc ....... mostly depended on the dialect.


No. But I do know that some surnames adopted by chinese indonesians tend to contain the sounds of their chinese surnames.

As a result, my guest is that Chandra contains Chan which is a dialect version of Chen, Gunawan perhaps contains the sound of Goh which is a dialect version of Wu.

But this might not be accurate. Although my best friend is chinese indonesian but he never adopted an indonesian name and our group of other chinese indonesian friends never explained about their indonesian surnames. It somehow didn't occur as a topic before. But I vaguely remembered hearing something like that from someone before.

[hara^kazuko]

Y they arent using their chinese names on courts?

[taufik-ist]

Just cursious, does it mean,

Liang (in Chinese) == Hartono (in Indoesian)
Wijaya (in Chinese) == Chen (in Indonesian)
Gunawan (in Chinese) == Wu (in Indoneisian)
....

indonesian chinese people often use 'wijaya, hartono, gunawan, susanto' as their indonesia name :D

'susanto' ( in chinese) == ???? (in indonesia)

[EastDevil]

Y they arent using their chinese names on courts?

The chinese commentators will use their chinese name. For normal cases, the "official" name applies, I guess. It might not go down too well with the general public if most of the players in the national team bears chinese names and somebody might call indonesia another china team?

[maa2003]

The chinese commentators will use their chinese name. For normal cases, the "official" name applies, I guess. It might not go down too well with the general public if most of the players in the national team bears chinese names and somebody might call indonesia another china team?

yup .......... china even ever threatened to claim the player as their citizen (remember Hendrawan case in 2002 Thomas Cup ?) .....

Alven = ar feng
Luluk = lu luke
Taufik = to fee ke
Icuk Sugiarto = cu jia to

I'm not chinese, but there are still a discrimination for Indo-chinese ...... e.g. they are not allowed to register their birth certificate if use chinese name, should use Indonesian name instead.
Maybe in the big cities (Jakarta, Surabaya, Medan, etc) they can register their chinese name, but not in the small cities.

[madturtle]

I don't think ronald susilo has a chinese name to start with. his was chosen by li jia wei

[EastDevil]

I don't think ronald susilo has a chinese name to start with. his was chosen by li jia wei

I thought he had one and it was changed to this new one.

[sukmawan21]

can u translate rian sukmawan? thanks.. :)

[muziqalicious]

yup .......... china even ever threatened to claim the player as their citizen (remember Hendrawan case in 2002 Thomas Cup ?) .....

Alven = ar feng
Luluk = lu luke
Taufik = to fee ke
Icuk Sugiarto = cu jia to

I'm not chinese, but there are still a discrimination for Indo-chinese ...... e.g. they are not allowed to register their birth certificate if use chinese name, should use Indonesian name instead.
Maybe in the big cities (Jakarta, Surabaya, Medan, etc) they can register their chinese name, but not in the small cities.

well....as far as i know, alven's real name is "alvent yulianto chandra" (that's with t) and his chinese name should be "a er wen" and not "ar feng"..:)

[badMania]

well....as far as i know, alven's real name is "alvent yulianto chandra" (that's with t) and his chinese name should be "a er wen" and not "ar feng"..:)

That is right...but..its only a direct translation from his Indonesian name. I still don't know what's his real Chinese Name. The same goes for other current Indonesian-Chinese players such as Hendra Setiawan, Jo Novita, Simon Santoso, etc.

As for Eng Hian = Xu Yong Xian.

Other ex-Indonesians currently based in HKG:
Agus Hariyanto = Lin Guang Yi
Albertus Susanto Njoto = Yang Li Feng
Yohan Wiratama Hadikusumo = Kui Ren Jun

[maa2003]

thanx bro ....... I'm not Chinese lor ...... so just wrote down what I heard.

e.g. previously I thought it was Lin Tan in-fact it is Lin Dan.
Indo ppl who do not speak China as like me (incl. most of all reporters) will pronounce a full "D" and not half "D" (sound between "D" and "T")


well....as far as i know, alven's real name is "alvent yulianto chandra" (that's with t) and his chinese name should be "a er wen" and not "ar feng"..:)

[kimpe_bultang]

yeah you are right, e.g. Goh became Gozali, Lim became Halim, Wee became Wijaya, Tan became Tanu, etc ....... mostly depended on the dialect.

That's not so true... Their names are usually given by their grandparents.. Usually, grandpa... My cousin is Wijaya too, but their her surname's Wu.. Hah!! That's diff frm Candra Wijaya.. All i know is that, surnames cnt just be translated to the chinese surnames just like that.. Diff family, has diff Chns surnames.. Hehe, Ko Candra is called Ah Liang when he was small.. My uncle told me that, and he is especially very naughty!! Broke things, and everything!! Hahaha, tghtr with Ko Indra and my uncle... :p :D It's very funny when my uncle and dad tell me about their childhood days, esp those with the 2 elder Wijaya's siblings.. Indra and Candra..

[Trang]

Can someone explain exactly what it means by 'chinese-indonesians'. Is it because chinese people have immigrated in to Indonesia or ? :)
I've only heard about malay-indonese, but I don't know their relation in that matter.

[aindro]

According to wikipedia : "The Chinese Indonesian are ethnically Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Chinese) people living in Indonesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia), as a result of centuries of overseas Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese) migration."

And the reason about the change of their name to indonesian name :"
Group divisions among Cina Babas, Qiao Shengs, and Cina Totoks were blurred because Soeharto treated them alike. They were all forced to change their names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/127/U/Kep/12/1966) to Indonesian sounding ones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian-sounding_names_adopted_by_Chinese_Indonesians). "

For the complete article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Indonesian

[Trang]

I found this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian-sounding_names_adopted_by_Chinese_Indonesians

Down at the bottom, there is a list of examples of indo-sounding names.

[Krisna]

Actually, over 90% of Indonesians are genetically and historically descendants of migrants from Yunnan [a province of China]. Even the Indonesian history curriculum admit to this. They migrated thousands of years ago.

Thus... Indonesians are actually Chinese. :D Ok, maybe not "Han" Chinese, but Chinese... :D

[Trang]

What I know of they're from malaysian origin.

[CLELY]

yup .......... china even ever threatened to claim the player as their citizen (remember Hendrawan case in 2002 Thomas Cup ?) .....

I'm not chinese, but there are still a discrimination for Indo-chinese ...... e.g. they are not allowed to register their birth certificate if use chinese name, should use Indonesian name instead.
Maybe in the big cities (Jakarta, Surabaya, Medan, etc) they can register their chinese name, but not in the small cities.

Absolutely true, there's still 'unfair situation' for Chinese-Indo in smaller scale (although INA's government have grounded some regulations about discrimination of Chinese ethnic).

Hendrawan called Megawati (RI's President at that time) to issued his SBKRI (Surat Bukti Kewarganegaraan Republik Indonesia) in use of proving his citizenship status. It's very irony, even national athletes still need SBKRI for that ridiculuous reason. Rather same story also happened to Tong Sin Fu (former INA bdm coach who was born in Lampung,Southern Sumatera), he failed after long-journey to get INA citizenship because another illogical sense, and at the end Tong back to China.

Many Chinese-Indo generally have 2 names -- Indonesian name (in birth certificate for formal interest) and Chinese name (for informal use/nickname). I guess every INA shuttler (incl. non Chinese ethnic) get Chinese name that given by China Press/Journalist, I often hear they call TH w/ Tao Fei G(K)e -- hmm quite similar sounds/pronounciation that really creative.

[Trang]

Quite odd about TH that they give names to him since he's not a chinese-indonese .. I don't guess so .. is he ? :D
I've read that most of the chinese-indonese are not moslems and with people with western names are because they most likely are Christians, but there are of course always exceptions etc.

[sugar_free]

Quite odd about TH that they give names to him since he's not a chinese-indonese .. I don't guess so .. is he ? :D
I've read that most of the chinese-indonese are not moslems and with people with western names are because they most likely are Christians, but there are of course always exceptions etc.

True, most of Chinese-Indonesians are not Moslems, but some of them are (there is also a community of Chinese-Indonesian Moslems here)... Most of them are either Buddhist, Catholic, or Christian... In my university, about 75% of the total amount of the Buddhist-Catholics-Christians are Chinese-Indonesians. Besides, students in most of Christian or Catholic schools in Indonesia are Chinese descendants. Western names are available on the younger generations (like me :D ), maybe its because the influence of Western culture in movie, education, religion, etc. But the Indonesian name of Chinese-Indonesians sometimes could be easily recognized as a Chinese-Indonesians', and it is quite different from the pure Indonesians' name...

Btw, Tomorrow (Monday 25/2), 17.30 WIB on Metro TV, there will be some kind of documentary film (Metro Files), titled 'Smash'... The documentary will be about the journey of Chinese-Indonesian shuttlers in the world of badminton... *Badminton fanatics in Indonesia, don't miss it :D * ... There are lots of recent program about Chinese-Indonesian shuttlers lately, the latest is probably 'Padamu Negeri' where shuttlers and ex-shuttlers from Komunitas Bulutangkis Indonesia participate in a discussion about the discrimination in Indonesia.... I saw Candra Wijaya, Hendrawan, Tan Joe Hok, Ade Candra, Verawati, Imelda Wiguna, etc. *I think I saw Arbi too*.

[Trang]

Nice. When you've seen it tell me about it, okay :D ?

[eaglespearce]

Does anyone know the religion of Indonesian Chinese players and do they speak any Chinese dialect ?
I know Alan Budi Kusuma is Christian but not sure about the others.

[yannie]

Does anyone know the religion of Indonesian Chinese players and do they speak any Chinese dialect ?
I know Alan Budi Kusuma is Christian but not sure about the others.

They're either Christians or Buddhists. I think most of them are Christians.

[keanny]

i just recognized that there are apparently many indonesian-chinese players in the indo squad.. btw another interesting stuff i just found regarding chinese surname. i just realized that my indonesian surname (which is actually weird) 'kasih' might came from my chinese surname 'xie' （谢). since xie xie means 'terima kasih', is it possible that my grandparents just boldly translated it into 'kasih'? lol...

[Bbn]

i just recognized that there are apparently many indonesian-chinese players in the indo squad.. btw another interesting stuff i just found regarding chinese surname. i just realized that my indonesian surname (which is actually weird) 'kasih' might came from my chinese surname 'xie' （谢). since xie xie means 'terima kasih', is it possible that my grandparents just boldly translated it into 'kasih'? lol...

In case you forgot kasih also means that soppy word "love'.

[keanny]

yeah i know.. which is weird to me lol, a lotsa frens said "keberatan nama loe" lol =P

[sugar_free]

Does anyone know the religion of Indonesian Chinese players and do they speak any Chinese dialect ?
I know Alan Budi Kusuma is Christian but not sure about the others.
Usually they are either Buddhist, Christian, Catholics... Alan Budi Kusuma, Susi Susanti, Candra Wijaya, Vita Marissa, Liliana Natsir, and Minarti Timur (MXD silver medalist in Sydney Olympics) are catholics... I've seen them do the sign of the cross (what is the English of 'tanda salib'? In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen...:rolleyes: ) after winning their matches, which means they are Catholics... Many players in Pelatnas is Christian, but I have no idea which are Christians and which are Catholics... I think not many of Indonesian-Chinese speak any Chinese dialect, because they are not allowed to speak Chinese or any Chinese dialects in Soeharto's era... They even changed their name into Indonesian name...

[eaglespearce]

thanks for your reply, my guess is that all of them are either christian / catholics and no buddhist at all. I heard Heryanto Arbi is a Muslim.
just a "out of topic question" if you don't mind, what dialect do Indonesian Chinese speak ( those who are able to speak ) at home ?

[keanny]

they usually speak: hokkien, theociuw, or khe.. and some other lol.. dunno if i spelled them right though =P

[YellowString]

Actually, over 90% of Indonesians are genetically and historically descendants of migrants from Yunnan [a province of China]. Even the Indonesian history curriculum admit to this. They migrated thousands of years ago.

Thus... Indonesians are actually Chinese. :D Ok, maybe not "Han" Chinese, but Chinese... :D

I understand that the chinese Indonesians are discriminated by the local indonesians in Indonesia. So, to see them being so patriotic to their country despite all the unfair treatment dished out at them is amazing.

[Bbn]

Do they have a choice?

Are we much better in Msia where we have to play the white man

to continue to live in peace?

[Felicia_txh]

Anyway,now they arent patriotic like those days!we can c it through the news about CNY in Jakarta tis year!!

PS:correct me if i m wrong

[badMania]

yeah i know.. which is weird to me lol, a lotsa frens said "keberatan nama loe" lol =P

Hahaha...care to tell us what's your FULL NAME please? :D

[keanny]

huahaha.. no >.< sounds really weird lol =P

[Felicia_txh]

Is Chandra a hindu name?cos in history,there was a king in India whose name is Chandra Gupta Maurya..

[ctjcad]

Is Chandra a hindu name?cos in history,there was a king in India whose name is Chandra Gupta Maurya..
...but the name 'Chandra' does not apply to an Indian name only. The name is also common in Thailand & INA. But yes, its background originated in India & Hindu. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra
Btw, the correct spelling is Candra Wijaya, not Chandra Wijaya..;)

[kimpe_bultang]

Candra Wijaya, Rendra Wijaya, Hendra Saputra, Simon Santoso, Nova Widhianto.. They are Christians.. Sigit Budiarto and Taufik Hidayat are Muslims as much as I know.. The others, no info about them in my brain... LOL.. :D

[sugar_free]

Candra Wijaya, Rendra Wijaya, Hendra Saputra, Simon Santoso, Nova Widhianto.. They are Christians.. Sigit Budiarto and Taufik Hidayat are Muslims as much as I know.. The others, no info about them in my brain... LOL.. :D
I thought Candra and Nova are Catholics... *kimpe, mereka bikin tanda salib loh*... I know that vita, minarti, butet, candra, nova are catholics... Greysia is christian... flandy, simon, alvent are between christians or catholics...
Btw, i think we are a bit off topic now... we are discussing their names right? not their religion... one thing led to another:D ...

[yannie]

I thought Candra and Nova are Catholics... *kimpe, mereka bikin tanda salib loh*... I know that vita, minarti, butet, candra, nova are catholics... Greysia is christian... flandy, simon, alvent are between christians or catholics...
Btw, i think we are a bit off topic now... we are discussing their names right? not their religion... one thing led to another:D ...

eh? flandy is muslim..

[kimpe_bultang]

Hmm.. I'm not sure, Ko Candra says that he's a christian to me last time.. Anyway, Ko Simon definitely is a Christian.. He goes to GBI Greenville.. Hmm, hope he doesn't mind that, later the church bcms so crowded with all the badmin fans.. LMAO... :D :D

[Syaoran_Style]

candra is a christian
i saw him many times doing the cross sign after he won a match

[kimpe_bultang]

Yuuupz,, that's why I'm confused abt this.. Christians don't do the cross sign actually.. But, he's a christian, I can tell..