As for me, I am happy that I predicted that he will be MO 2006 Champion.

LCW, you have given hope to badminton in Malaysia. Well done !!!

And of course, CM and KKK, you too have done well. What a day for Malaysian badminton.

Well done LCW, I haven't congrates him after his win. It's a hattrick. 3 time MO MS champion and he level this with our Rashid Sidek.

I am so gutted as I missed the 3rd set and went to play badminton with friends just now. (Pre-Planned)

Really hope someone can share the match with us soon.

HUGE Congrats to LCW! In the 3rd set, I felt like it was going to be the usual "Malaysian almost wins but loses in the final" story. Glad LCW pulled off a miraculous victory by coming back and kicking the unsporting LD in the a$$!

Also- I used to be a LD fan, but after today, I hope every player LD plays against will beat him!

Well done LCW, I haven't congrates him after his win. It's a hattrick. 3 time MO MS champion and he level this with our Rashid Sidek.

I am so gutted as I missed the 3rd set and went to play badminton with friends just now. (Pre-Planned)

Really hope someone can share the match with us soon.

I recorded the match but found out to my horror the recording was full of "snow". It would be very much appreciated if someone can put up the full match video for download.

Congrates to LCW too... due to his bad performance before this i summo thought he might not win today but it seems that i am wrong!!! i really very happy and proud of you!!!!!!!!!

Congratule LCW and malaysia for giving malaysia hope that we are still a driven force at international badminton circuit. Great Work and What a perfomance perform by LCW and teammate....... MALAYSIAAAAAAAA BOLEHHHHHHHHHHHHHH......:)

LCW has proven that he is a storng and consistent player...and his future is something which Malaysians can be proud of...I hope he will maintain it and go on to win the World Championships!

He made me proud! Lin Dan was such a sore loser...!

LCW, u r the Man....LD, u must try to accept the fact n show good attitude to china young players

I recorded the match but found out to my horror the recording was full of "snow". It would be very much appreciated if someone can put up the full match video for download.

Snow? How come? How do you record it?

Do you all noticed that the MO Final post has been viewed by more than 14,000 times? Will catch up the Announcement post soon. It is really a disaster for Lin Dan..........

Snow? How come? How do you record it?

DVD Recorder's cable came loose.:mad:

DVD Recorder's cable came loose.:mad:

ouch....nvm. We will wait for the best...........

Maybe mikemike got some other source.

Congratulation LCW ...you have proved that you are great champion...
Too sad your historic fightback should be the talking point in this Forum instead the sore loser had snatch that away from you.
To free yourself from the hanging noose of the World No. 1 is the greatest achievement, and hope you will learn from him ie be a true champion and not a lousy No. 1

Congratulation LCW ...you have proved that you are great champion...
Too sad your historic fightback should be the talking point in this Forum instead the sore loser had snatch that away from you.
To free yourself from the hanging noose of the World No. 1 is the greatest achievement, and hope you will learn from him ie be a true champion and not a lousy No. 1

If LCW's achievement is better than Lin Dan in the upcoming Chinese Taipei Open, then, he will be world no 1 by mid July 2006.

If LCW's achievement is better than Lin Dan in the upcoming Chinese Taipei Open, then, he will be world no 1 by mid July 2006.
Wow this interesting, therefore if LD decided to withdraw from CT Open ( too embarassed after reading this Forum :o :o :o ), then LCW will be the new No. 1 if he take part...is that so?

LCW avenged his defeat in the All-England in exactly the same he was defeated by Lin Dan then. If you people can recall, Lin Dan came from behind in the 3rd set then to beat LCW --- the difference here is LCW congratulated Lin Dan even though he was devastated. :rolleyes:

Call me a stirrer I don't mind.:D

Wow this interesting, therefore if LD decided to withdraw from CT Open ( too embarassed after reading this Forum :o :o :o ), then LCW will be the new No. 1 if he take part...is that so?

Well, that will have to wait till points for last year's Singapore and Malaysia Open have been deduced from Lin Dan's total. If you take off those 2 and include this year's MO results, LCW's points total of 37473 already exceeds Lin Dan's 37303 (although his total number of tournaments is 1 more than Lin's). However, Lin Dan will still be world no 1 if he reaches at least the quarter-final next week.

Good Job LCW! Your time will come and you will soon be No 1 !

Whitout No 1 spot LD will have nothing else on his belt, this is sad.

LCW is definately playing in Chinese Taipei Open. There will be another LCW vs LinDan showdown if they meet again.
My talk with LCW earlier.
He quoted...
LCW : The win was unexpected when i was trailing and Lindan having the match point. But i didn't give up hope. I play 1 point at a time until i reach the score 20-20. Then only i know i can catch up...

LCW is definately playing in Chinese Taipei Open. There will be another LCW vs LinDan showdown if they meet again.
My talk with LCW earlier.
He quoted...
LCW : The win was unexpected when i was trailing and Lindan having the match point. But i didn't give up hope. I play 1 point at a time until i reach the score 20-20. Then only i know i can catch up...

Thanks ants for the information. Is there any official interview after the ceremony or the match?

Basically, LCW never give up which him the title. Well Done !!!

hahhaha.... I'm glad that he wins this game, i have faith in him in doing well, he's just one of the unique ones out there that has his own specialty and i bet the he had worked hard for it, if anyone sees LCW, tell him to keep up with the good work and everyone in the nation is supporting him and we are proud of him !!!! Wooohooo !!!:D
He has the potential and I bet that there's more to come from LCW..... :o

Thanks ants for the information. Is there any official interview after the ceremony or the match?

Basically, LCW never give up which him the title. Well Done !!!

There was an official interview after the ceremony by medias. I called him up much later after his win.

Ok....I better congratulate him and really hope that he will beat LD outside of Malaysia soon.

CHONG WEI IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really enjoy watching him beat LD.
At the first time I thought he might lose:p
Thank God....
He is the coolest player I ever seen.
Never give up and believe in himself, that's the truly spirit of MALASIA BOLEH!

Hidup Chong Wei!!Hidup Chong Wei!!!:D :D :D :D

by the way, really frust with LD attitude:(

Now we have a "hattrick" champion? Tomorrow ....???

It is time for Mr Yap to uncover and bring up new potential single players, like what he did for double players many year ago. He grouped and groomed them before Rexy came to assist him . Now, we do not have problems with double players, at least five good pairs can match on any team. They have good fighting spirit.

Not forgetting, you have many good coaches who played single in their prime years. Share their experience to uncover and groom some good junior players. It is an honour for them to help the country.

Thing about it and prepare for tomorrow.

People are praising LCW now. But this good feeling will only last until the next time he has a bad result. And then, the bad feeling will last until he has a good result again, and so on.

The MO usually proves that we are better at home than not, but I guess we take the positives; at least we can win somewhere.

People are praising LCW now. But this good feeling will only last until the next time he has a bad result. And then, the bad feeling will last until he has a good result again, and so on.

The MO usually proves that we are better at home than not, but I guess we take the positives; at least we can win somewhere.

Well, malaysian players are not that bad... sometimes they might get a bit erratic, but can't expect too much perfection. :p

Well, malaysian players are not that bad... sometimes they might get a bit erratic, but can't expect too much perfection. :p

If they are bad and they lose (like me, for instance), well, nothing to do about it. But if good, but lose because of inconsistency, then it's somewhat infuriarating sometimes.

If they are bad and they lose (like me, for instance), well, nothing to do about it. But if good, but lose because of inconsistency, then it's somewhat infuriarating sometimes.

I agree they lacked consistency. But there are many top players in other sports that suffers from consistency problems but yet became great players.

I like LCW a lot but I hope he can be more consistent. He will not become world number 1 for long or dominate if he has to rely on surprise fightbacks all the time. He is getting the Liverpool FC bug this time round always winning on the brink of defeat. It makes for good story, but it won't disguise the bigger issues LCW needs to fix. I would not expect this to be fixed for the Taipei Open, but there's a while away from September, I hope it improves by then.

I agree they lacked consistency. But there are many top players in other sports that suffers from consistency problems but yet became great players.

I like LCW a lot but I hope he can be more consistent. He will not become world number 1 for long or dominate if he has to rely on surprise fightbacks all the time. He is getting the Liverpool FC bug this time round always winning on the brink of defeat. It makes for good story, but it won't disguise the bigger issues LCW needs to fix. I would not expect this to be fixed for the Taipei Open, but there's a while away from September, I hope it improves by then.


EastDevil, the guy has fixed it in the MO win ! Now, we want to make it look pretty --- like putting on some 'space', i.e. win by 2 games instead of 3 ! Maybe, this will happen in the CTO.;)

It is not unexpected that in the MS, any player in the world's top ten will be able to beat one another. It depends on his form in that particular moment of time. And sometimes, a near-miracle like the LCW-LD encounter in the just concluded MO could also happen. For the top players to win some and lose some have occured so many times before.

Before the MO, LCW did not have a good run. PG had quite a good outing up to the SO but by the MO, I guess he was too tired to carry on because of the unusually tight June schedule and the long games he had to endure. Therefore, for the fresher Lin Dan, it will not be a surprise if he could bounce back to win the Taipeh Open. I don't think Taufik could make it there to stop him and even if he could, I doubt he has completely recovered from his back injury to worry LD too
much.

A rematch with LCW will be the most likely scenario, if LCW played true to form and not fumble early as before. But now, the much more hungrier and angrier Lin Dan will leave his den with a clear fixation to kill at the earliest opportunity! :eek:

EastDevil, the guy has fixed it in the MO win ! Now, we want to make it look pretty --- like putting on some 'space', i.e. win by 2 games instead of 3 ! Maybe, this will happen in the CTO.;)

Fumbling throughout the 2nd and most of the 3rd set after winning the first set convincingly doesn't seems like fixing.

It is not unexpected that in the MS, any player in the world's top ten will be able to beat one another. It depends on his form in that particular moment of time. And sometimes, a near-miracle like the LCW-LD encounter in the just concluded MO could also happen. For the top players to win some and lose some have occured so many times before.

Before the MO, LCW did not have a good run. PG had quite a good outing up to the SO but by the MO, I guess he was too tired to carry on because of the unusually tight June schedule and the long games he had to endure. Therefore, for the fresher Lin Dan, it will not be a surprise if he could bounce back to win the Taipeh Open. I don't think Taufik could make it there to stop him and even if he could, I doubt he has completely recovered from his back injury to worry LD to much.

A rematch with LCW will be the most likely scenario, if LCW played true to form and not fumble early as before. But now, the much more hungrier and angrier Lin Dan will leave his den with a clear fixation to kill at the earliest opportunity! :eek:

Taufik busy watching world cup. :D

Was LCW using NS8000 for the game?
So I guess alot of LCW fans will be buying NS8000?
lol. :D

What exactly did LD do?

Fumbling throughout the 2nd and most of the 3rd set after winning the first set convincingly doesn't seems like fixing.

U couldnt expect perfection with World Number One LD, if LCW defeated LD in two straight games, I guess it was a real surprise for LD fans then

U couldnt expect perfection with World Number One LD, if LCW defeated LD in two straight games, I guess it was a real surprise for LD fans then

I am not expecting perfection, I just find that the way LCW tend to fumble for 2 sets after a great start needs to be worked on badly because miracles do not happen that often. Lin Dan always seems to be a slow starter, the kind of player that has to be killed off quickly and not let him drag.

I am not expecting perfection, I just find that the way LCW tend to fumble for 2 sets after a great start needs to be worked on badly because miracles do not happen that often. Lin Dan always seems to be a slow starter, the kind of player that has to be killed off quickly and not let him drag.

I thought the second set was excusable... because LD had started to smash things out.. It was the earlier third set that has to be improved... but LCW's last minute comeback was simply just amazing...

I thought the second set was excusable... because LD had started to smash things out.. It was the earlier third set that has to be improved... but LCW's last minute comeback was simply just amazing...

LCW has absorbeb energy from malaysian crowd, they gave LCW 'MAGNA POWER" :D

LCW has absorbeb energy from malaysian crowd, they gave LCW 'MAGNA POWER" :D

And the famous Malaysian Slogan "Malaysia Boleh" no doubt had fired things up

Once again, because my post was beautifully ignored, 'What exactly did LD do?'.

And the famous Malaysian Slogan "Malaysia Boleh" no doubt had fired things up

taufik was mo 2000 winner, do u know who taufik beat in the final, was he a malaysia player ?

Once again, because my post was beautifully ignored, 'What exactly did LD do?'.

U mean his disgusting behavior?

Alrite, he threw his racquet on the floor n kicked it away.. Then he did not want to wear his medal n refused to accept our cultural warrior headgear.. Lastly He refused to take pics with the media and walked away with frustration

taufik was mo 2000 winner, do u know who taufik beat in the final, was he a malaysia player ?

Sorry, I was 9 years old that time n knew nothing about Taufik

U mean his disgusting behavior?

Alrite, he threw his racquet on the floor n kicked it away.. Then he did not want to wear his medal n refused to accept our cultural warrior headgear.. Lastly He refused to take pics with the media and walked away with frustration

LD should learn from BAO , though there was a bad call againts him, he still gave a appreciation to TH, he used a sponsor hat and he was also taken a picture both with taufik in award ceremony

U mean his disgusting behavior?

Alrite, he threw his racquet on the floor n kicked it away.. Then he did not want to wear his medal n refused to accept our cultural warrior headgear.. Lastly He refused to take pics with the media and walked away with frustration

Ooooh, someone's going to get a hate club soon.:eek:

Ooooh, someone's going to get a hate club soon.:eek:

He has... There's even an anti-LD squad now i guess...

Sorry, I was 9 years old that time n knew nothing about Taufik

OMG, sorry

i have already known famous players since i was nine YO :D

OMG, sorry

i have already known famous players since i was nine YO :D

I was still fixing LEGO at that moment... :o

I was still fixing LEGO at that moment... :o

:D :D :D... i used to playing a kite

Since we're on the subject of toys, I enjoyed tops until my cousing spun one too hard and it flew up and hit me squarely on the nose.

Since we're on the subject of toys, I enjoyed tops until my cousing spun one too hard and it flew up and hit me squarely on the nose.

I hope it's not something sharp n big

Since we're on the subject of toys, I enjoyed tops until my cousing spun one too hard and it flew up and hit me squarely on the nose.

a tops with colorfull lights is very exciting to watch :D

I am not expecting perfection, I just find that the way LCW tend to fumble for 2 sets after a great start needs to be worked on badly because miracles do not happen that often. Lin Dan always seems to be a slow starter, the kind of player that has to be killed off quickly and not let him drag.
In a way your obeservation is correct that Lin Dan starts slowly. And he comes home strongly. But I noticed these days, he gets tired out and starts making errors more than he did in the past. LCW capitalised on that, bringing home the last 8 points (after being at 13-20) against Lin Dan.

If I were LCW, I would play the same against Lin Dan in the Chinese Taipei Open. Beat Lin Dan in the 1st game (i.e. capitalised on Lin Dan's slow start); then relax and rally against Lin Dan, and finally 'kill' Lin Dan as he did in the MO in the 3rd set.

This is not the 1st time I have seen Lin Dan fading in the final set (he makes errors when he is tired). In the All-England, LCW also nearly beat him in the 3rd set but I think then Lin Dan lasted longer than LCW.

With Li Mao now pushing LCW to his limits, Lin Dan would have to be superbly fit to go the distance with LCW. And I think as age catches up with Lin Dan, you will find anyone like PG or LCW in their fittest would be able to win against him. LCW is now at his most dangerous - I stress most dangerous. He has learned the tricks to win and commands the fitness that every person dreams of. Every time he plays, it is a question then of how much he wants it (e.g. like the MO where he wanted it and delivered the goods).

This point by point play that he mentioned will be used again in the future with his success. As I said, I think the 'head shrinker' has taught him how to focus using this point by point play to achieve his goal, i.e. concentrate and treat each point like it is the last. Try it, it might help you too.

In a way your obeservation is correct that Lin Dan starts slowly. And he comes home strongly. But I noticed these days, he gets tired out and starts making errors more than he did in the past. LCW capitalised on that, bringing home the last 8 points (after being at 13-20) against Lin Dan.

If I were LCW, I would play the same against Lin Dan in the Chinese Taipei Open. Beat Lin Dan in the 1st game (i.e. capitalised on Lin Dan's slow start); then relax and rally against Lin Dan, and finally 'kill' Lin Dan as he did in the MO in the 3rd set.

This is not the 1st time I have seen Lin Dan fading in the final set (he makes errors when he is tired). In the All-England, LCW also nearly beat him in the 3rd set but I think then Lin Dan lasted longer than LCW.

With Li Mao now pushing LCW to his limits, Lin Dan would have to be superbly fit to go the distance with LCW. And I think as age catches up with Lin Dan, you will find anyone like PG or LCW in their fittest would be able to win against him. LCW is now at his most dangerous - I stress most dangerous. He has learned the tricks to win and commands the fitness that every person dreams of. Every time he plays, it is a question then of how much he wants it (e.g. like the MO where he wanted it and delivered the goods).

This point by point play that he mentioned will be used again in the future with his success. As I said, I think the 'head shrinker' has taught him how to focus using this point by point play to achieve his goal, i.e. concentrate and treat each point like it is the last. Try it, it might help you too.
lol, I had the same experience too.... I wrote a long thread and when I was expecting a nice reply, my whole page long was deleted as well...

These weeks had been a conflict here in BC forum... I hope there will be no more as Chinese Taipei Open is to approaching

lol, I had the same experience too.... I wrote a long thread and when I was expecting a nice reply, my whole page long was deleted as well...

These weeks had been a conflict here in BC forum... I hope there will be no more as Chinese Taipei Open is to approaching

u must ask kwun for mercy :D

u must ask kwun for mercy :D

n mag was like my teacher when he started to lecture things out.... kinda scary

I wont be banned for this, will I?

n mag was like my teacher when he started to lecture things out.... kinda scary

I wont be banned for this, will I?

mag has warned anyone to stop debating lindan :eek:

mag has warned anyone to stop debating lindan :eek:

A forum like this should be mature for eevryone to pose their views not restricted. Kwun, wake up.

A forum like this should be mature for eevryone to pose their views not restricted. Kwun, wake up.

Firstly, let me declare that I am neither a LD nor LCW fan. I have to agree with the moderators that enough had been said about this episode. We have to put an end to this discussion before it gets terribly out of hand.

We are not in a position to fully understand LD's thoughts and feelings after losing such a crucial match which seems to be safely in his bag at one stage. He may feel angry, outraged, terribly disappointed and even embarrassed.

I would like to say, "Let's move on ... enough of LD bashing."

If we only take joy and worse still instigate others to continually thump someone who is presently down and out, then our own maturity is put into question.

And the famous Malaysian Slogan "Malaysia Boleh" no doubt had fired things up


And people wonder why Lin Dan was pissed!??? Put yourself in his shoes, and think about how you feel when you have thousands of people chanting against you so loud... whole building about to fall apart DURING THE ENTIRE match. Then you guys demand "Respect"....hahahahaaaa....

I agree they lacked consistency. But there are many top players in other sports that suffers from consistency problems but yet became great players.

I like LCW a lot but I hope he can be more consistent. He will not become world number 1 for long or dominate if he has to rely on surprise fightbacks all the time. He is getting the Liverpool FC bug this time round always winning on the brink of defeat. It makes for good story, but it won't disguise the bigger issues LCW needs to fix. I would not expect this to be fixed for the Taipei Open, but there's a while away from September, I hope it improves by then.Agree with your wisdom.Malaysian players are good but have not reached the standard where they may instil fear to their opponents.CW has that capability.I believe he still has to put in some more weight thereby increasing his power and strength.He is such a skilful player that LD feels frustrating playing against him.More strength and superb fitness will arrest the consistency problem.

Agree with your wisdom.Malaysian players are good but have not reached the standard where they may instil fear to their opponents.CW has that capability.I believe he still has to put in some more weight thereby increasing his power and strength.He is such a skilful player that LD feels frustrating playing against him.More strength and superb fitness will arrest the consistency problem.
LCW, imho, is different than other MAS players. out of all the MAS players that i have seen, he has the most potential. he has the most rounded skills, he has the speed, he is a hard worker, and his techniques are clean and efficient. i have noticed LCW since i saw him play live in SO 2004 and he has improved leaps and bounds since then. i think it is only time when he gain more experience and maturity, he will also "instill fear" to other players too, if he doesn't already.

Taufik busy watching world cup. :D

Taufik busy AT the World Cup :D :D

Lin Dan sometimes has a tendency to give up on a play when he thinks he's won the point. I believe at 20-16 (or thereabouts) in the 3rd set, there was a net exchange when LD's shot hit the tape an tumbled over. He must have thought he had won the point because he relaxed noticably. Amazingly LCW managed to dink the shuttle back over. When LD realized this, you could see him reacting hastily, lunge forward in an attempt to lift. He did manage to get the bird up to 1/2 court which LCW put away with ease. At this point I think LD's confidence, or what little was left, was completely drained, leading to his eventual demise. LD has to get it into his head that the world of badminton is catching up quickly to him and among the top 4 or 5, he can be beaten any day. I wonder if he will learn from this debacle and be better for it or has his confidence shattered and lose his aura of invincibility.

As usual, when facing LCW, LD did much guessing of CW's next shot, much more than when he is facing Taufik, CH or Gade (on the other hand, I think LCW's shots are really more predictable than Taufik's and Gade's, and although less predictable than CH's, the quality is usually not as good and consistent as CH's).

This time, I am happy to see LCW really surprised LD a lot. Being too focused on the net area, LD even totally misread several attacking clears. Seems to me this is one of the best games LCW ever played, I don't understand why some ppl said he is not playing well. The major problem with LCW is he being too timid when facing LD, a strong and arrogant opponent. This time I think he has shown more confidence.

As to LD, he seems to always treat LCW as inferior (The whole Team China is down-rating LCW, I don't understand why). He tried to prove his superiority by doing much guessing and then getting easy points. An "I can play with you for a while and finish you whenever I want" attitude. The AE come-back may have reinforced this attitude and made LD really believes in his superiority. That is why he is so frustrated this time. He cannot understand why such things can happen.

The major problem with LD is that he wants to prove himself too impatiently. He cannot wait till big events, he wants to show he is far better than anyone else whenever possible. So he really is much less mature than TH.

im a devoted msian supporter. But personally, i strongly feel that indonesians are the best skilled players in badminton. I dun think they really care about the rankings. Even they rank lower, they can still beat any top players. Some higher rank players are just because they play more tournaments to gain points only. I guess what really count is the true skills. Again, im not against anyone. It;s just my views. A good player is not only just about the rankings but the ability to maintain his or her standards and keep on improving to higher level. I mean dun you guys find that Indonesians players are more exciting to watch as they tend to have different unique techniques to play while the others including China, just the usual (of course good skills) smashing, defending etc........? But still, it;s been good that LCW beat the arrogant LD.1

Firstly, let me declare that I am neither a LD nor LCW fan. I have to agree with the moderators that enough had been said about this episode. We have to put an end to this discussion before it gets terribly out of hand.

We are not in a position to fully understand LD's thoughts and feelings after losing such a crucial match which seems to be safely in his bag at one stage. He may feel angry, outraged, terribly disappointed and even embarrassed.

I would like to say, "Let's move on ... enough of LD bashing."

If we only take joy and worse still instigate others to continually thump someone who is presently down and out, then our own maturity is put into question.

I think your argument is slightly warped --- firstly, it does not matter what is on the mind of LD. The right protocol must be adhered by everyone, else badminton falls into the category of roughnecks who are unsportsmanlike and do not give a hoot about respecting Malaysia's culture (like taking off the medal and not wanting to put on the warrior's hat) - imagine how uneasy it makes everyone feel from officials to top echelon people who have taken time to be there to reward them.

LD deserves the bashing and I do not think it is necessary for Kwun to edit this and close the threads. Eventually things will die off if people are allowed to vent their views (he can edit if they use rude words but otherwise it is a forum to let people put forward their views).

lol, I had the same experience too.... I wrote a long thread and when I was expecting a nice reply, my whole page long was deleted as well...

These weeks had been a conflict here in BC forum... I hope there will be no more as Chinese Taipei Open is to approaching

Sorry to hear this, but it really depends on what you write and how you write it. :D

LD deserves the bashing and I do not think it is necessary for Kwun to edit this and close the threads. Eventually things will die off if people are allowed to vent their views (he can edit if they use rude words but otherwise it is a forum to let people put forward their views).
Hmm, X Ball, i don't want to linger this topic any longer and i understand your stance on this, esp. noticing that you are still quite live it on the controversies. But even, like you said, it's ok for people to "vent their views etc. as things will eventually die off", what can doing that do to change the situation?? Can mine, yours or other people's "venting" change what had happened??..It happened, unfortunately, and nothing can be taken back; so let's just move on...:p
Now, regarding Kwun and the mods (ie. Mag) locking up and editing the threads/posts, i think it makes sense because in those threads that are being locked, the posts are just getting way out of hand. Thing is, IMO, it's fine for people to post their views, but they have to be constructive and "civil". But once the posts are just getting "out of hand" and "out of topic", the mods/Kwun decide to lock em up..:p
Like Mag mentioned on another thread, somewhat giving a warning, we all can post, but post them constructively and in a civil way...cool??..:rolleyes: ;)
Why don't we all change and shift our focus now to the upcoming/current tourney, the Chinese Taipei Open, and enjoy the games and upcoming winners, shall we??..;) :cool:

well..im such a chicken..when he went down 13-20... i switched to another channel... cant bear to see him to lose the hatric for the MO.. haha.. then after some time i get back to the channel.. he won.. i was truly SHOCKED..hehe..well..they say anything can happen in football... i think same things apply to badminton too!!

Originally Posted by X Ball
A forum like this should be mature for eevryone to pose their views not restricted. Kwun, wake up.


Originally Posted by johnps
Firstly, let me declare that I am neither a LD nor LCW fan. I have to agree with the moderators that enough had been said about this episode. We have to put an end to this discussion before it gets terribly out of hand.

We are not in a position to fully understand LD's thoughts and feelings after losing such a crucial match which seems to be safely in his bag at one stage. He may feel angry, outraged, terribly disappointed and even embarrassed.

I would like to say, "Let's move on ... enough of LD bashing."

If we only take joy and worse still instigate others to continually thump someone who is presently down and out, then our own maturity is put into question.

I think your argument is slightly warped --- firstly, it does not matter what is on the mind of LD. The right protocol must be adhered by everyone, else badminton falls into the category of roughnecks who are unsportsmanlike and do not give a hoot about respecting Malaysia's culture (like taking off the medal and not wanting to put on the warrior's hat) - imagine how uneasy it makes everyone feel from officials to top echelon people who have taken time to be there to reward them.

LD deserves the bashing and I do not think it is necessary for Kwun to edit this and close the threads. Eventually things will die off if people are allowed to vent their views (he can edit if they use rude words but otherwise it is a forum to let people put forward their views).



If we keep bashing Lin Dan, with no end in sight, then we are no better than the roughnecks which you mentioned above.

When we have posts that were edited or deleted by the moderators, we should take it in the right spirit. Instead of venting our displeasure, let us step back and consider whether our post and the language used had been too harsh.

If you were to talk about correct protocol, I find that your remark to Kwun is really uncalled for. Asking Kwun to “wake up” is definitely out of protocol. Surely, you do not use such language to someone you respect. The tremendous effort he puts in to start and maintain this website and forum deserves our utmost respect.

Personally, I find the moderators are doing a fantastic job. We really do not want this forum to degenerate into a “free for all” battlefield as was found in the discussion board of the previous www.worldbadminton.net (http://www.worldbadminton.net/) website. In that discussion board, players, countries and badminton associations were being attacked constantly with words and languages beyond our imagination. There was so much hatred being spread in that forum.

If we were to follow your suggestion and let “time” be the moderator instead of Kwun and his hardworking group, then this will definitely be the end result.

Hey X Ball,
I am on your side, we all can raise our opinion as long as it is in a civil manner. This forum will be meaningless if admin can pick and choose what he likes and he doesn’t to be on the forum. Though, I do respect his effort in maintaining this site.

firstly, thanks and hats off to johnps & ctjcad who understand the action of the moderators. it is always nice to have members who understands and respect the work of the moderators.

secondly, i want to point out that the moderators have ultimate decision on what stays and what do not stay in the forum. we do not blindly delete posts, yet at the same time, we do not guarantee everything that get posted will stay. it is for you to trust that we are doing a job that will result in respectful, civilized and orderly online community.

if you ask old timers, they can probably tell you that our moderation policy has remained consistent throughout the years. and the fact that we remain for so many years a very successful forum with some of the highest quality discussions, while many other forums have fallen into disarray, tells you that perhaps we are doing the right thing.

mag has warned anyone to stop debating lindan :eek:

I would just like to clarify that I have NOT warned anybody about discussing any certain topic (except the ones that are mentioned in the forum guidelines such as politics, religion, etc). That is an absurd accusation. It would be counter-productive for the forum as a whole. If anybody was warned, it was probably for writing personal insults or attacks.

What I have done, however, is to warn posters from starting AND continuing flame wars. Such posts wiull be deleted and the authors will possibly be banned from the forum. And follow-ups to such posts will can sometimes also be deleted, no matter how well-written and civil, becuase such replys can never be constructive, and keeping the replies but not the original post would disrupt the chain of discussion completely.

I don't know how many times I will have to repeat this, but here I go again:
It's not WHAT you discuss we react upon -- it's HOW you do it.

If you'd all ignore the obvious morons that occasionally come here, and hit "report" instead of "reply" when you spot them, we'd all be better off.

Regards,

Mag

I would just like to clarify that I have NOT warned anybody about discussing any certain topic (except the ones that are mentioned in the forum guidelines such as politics, religion, etc). That is an absurd accusation. It would be counter-productive for the forum as a whole. If anybody was warned, it was probably for writing personal insults or attacks.

What I have done, however, is to warn posters from starting AND continuing flame wars. Such posts wiull be deleted and the authors will possibly be banned from the forum. And follow-ups to such posts will can sometimes also be deleted, no matter how well-written and civil, becuase such replys can never be constructive, and keeping the replies but not the original post would disrupt the chain of discussion completely.

I don't know how many times I will have to repeat this, but here I go again:
It's not WHAT you discuss we react upon -- it's HOW you do it.

If you'd all ignore the obvious morons that occasionally come here, and hit "report" instead of "reply" when you spot them, we'd all be better off.

Regards,

Mag

ok.. i got it :D

I would just like to clarify that I have NOT warned anybody about discussing any certain topic (except the ones that are mentioned in the forum guidelines such as politics, religion, etc). That is an absurd accusation. It would be counter-productive for the forum as a whole. If anybody was warned, it was probably for writing personal insults or attacks.

What I have done, however, is to warn posters from starting AND continuing flame wars. Such posts wiull be deleted and the authors will possibly be banned from the forum. And follow-ups to such posts will can sometimes also be deleted, no matter how well-written and civil, becuase such replys can never be constructive, and keeping the replies but not the original post would disrupt the chain of discussion completely.

I don't know how many times I will have to repeat this, but here I go again:
It's not WHAT you discuss we react upon -- it's HOW you do it.

If you'd all ignore the obvious morons that occasionally come here, and hit "report" instead of "reply" when you spot them, we'd all be better off.

Regards,

Mag

I did it as you said... :D

And people wonder why Lin Dan was pissed!??? Put yourself in his shoes, and think about how you feel when you have thousands of people chanting against you so loud... whole building about to fall apart DURING THE ENTIRE match. Then you guys demand "Respect"....hahahahaaaa....

when we play in the host country, of course the crowd will be loudly supporting the local player...whther it is in KL, or Jakarta or Beijing....Malaysian supporters are the same. I have watched many matches where the Malaysian players played away from home and the psychology of the home supprters can affect the players. However, most professional players have been trained to deal with the pressure of the "home crowd". I donot think LD was pissed or bothered with the home crowd. If anything, he must be pissed with himself. LCW has been in LD's shoes many many times in away matches and he didnot kick his racket like that or shown disrespect to the prize givers! It was clearly "disrespect" even though we know he was sad about not winning. When you are in the public, you must behave professionally. But if you are in the locker room, nobody knows and you can kick and swear all you want! But I am sure he will be better behaved in future. So, cheers! Be happy!

I am confident that LCW will keep winning LD. LD clearly frustrated by LCW net play, smash and speed! I think LCW will cast the fear in LD with one more win. I am want to see that happen! Bravo! LCW. U make us proud! Keep winning . I support u wholeheartedly!

Lin Dan is a good player no doubt but he needs to change his attitude!

I use to think he is just sometime too proud of himself but after seeing his behaviour I was totally shocked and disappointed! He has serious character and attitude problem. I have not heard of any pro player being so rude and disrespectful.

Every player will has his fair share of winning and losing. Losing a match badly is not an excuse to throw tantrum and behave so rude to his opponent and thousands of people.( some of them are his supporters!).

He is too arrogant and he need a lesson!( lessons??). Glad that LCW did teached him a good lesson. And if he still will not change, I hope LCW and others will keep teaching him lessons!!

I have put in my view point (and I can see not everyone shares the same). So be it.

Well DONE Malaysia!!! Wah, Malaysia LAGI Boleh!!!
Congratulations. Let's do one better next year!

He's top player mah.... act like that lor... oso got such a famous and pretty GF, on cloud 9 lah this guy. Can retire already.
rgds:D

I am confident that LCW will keep winning LD. LD clearly frustrated by LCW net play, smash and speed! I think LCW will cast the fear in LD with one more win. I am want to see that happen! Bravo! LCW. U make us proud! Keep winning . I support u wholeheartedly!

Lin Dan is a good player no doubt but he needs to change his attitude!

I use to think he is just sometime too proud of himself but after seeing his behaviour I was totally shocked and disappointed! He has serious character and attitude problem. I have not heard of any pro player being so rude and disrespectful.

Every player will has his fair share of winning and losing. Losing a match badly is not an excuse to throw tantrum and behave so rude to his opponent and thousands of people.( some of them are his supporters!).

He is too arrogant and he need a lesson!( lessons??). Glad that LCW did teached him a good lesson. And if he still will not change, I hope LCW and others will keep teaching him lessons!!

firstly, thanks and hats off to johnps & ctjcad who understand the action of the moderators. it is always nice to have members who understands and respect the work of the moderators.

secondly, i want to point out that the moderators have ultimate decision on what stays and what do not stay in the forum. we do not blindly delete posts, yet at the same time, we do not guarantee everything that get posted will stay. it is for you to trust that we are doing a job that will result in respectful, civilized and orderly online community.

if you ask old timers, they can probably tell you that our moderation policy has remained consistent throughout the years. and the fact that we remain for so many years a very successful forum with some of the highest quality discussions, while many other forums have fallen into disarray, tells you that perhaps we are doing the right thing.
..Amen to that...:) Let us all(incl. myself) respect and help our BC moderators. :cool:
Cos, just by looking at the no. of posts posted every single day(who knows how many), and them "police-ing" and watching those posts, it seems like this is their "full-time job"...They already have their own lives to worry abt, and still willing to come here and help out this forum, so let's help them out..:) :cool:

He's top player mah.... act like that lor... oso got such a famous and pretty GF, on cloud 9 lah this guy. Can retire already.
rgds:D

Like Taufik, hehe :p

..Amen to that...:) Let us all(incl. myself) respect and help our BC moderators. :cool:
Cos, just by looking at the no. of posts posted every single day(who knows how many), and them "police-ing" and watching those posts, it seems like this is their "full-time job"...They already have their own lives to worry abt, and still willing to come here and help out this forum, so let's help them out..:) :cool:

Agreed, I sincerely appreciate the effort and personal time put in by the moderators....thank you

Ya lah. He has achieved quite a lot already. world and olympic champ. Not easy to win it. Lindan still need to prove it. Now I guess Taufi got lots of things to clear back home.
rgds:crying: :crying: :crying:
Like Taufik, hehe :p

LCW's achievement in MO 2006 have made the malaysian proud and it was not enough. I hope LCW will not be just satisfied with the victory over LD and continue will make his debut again. LCW must proved himself in the next thomas cup and World championship title only the world will acknowledged he is a capable player for malaysian. It's too early to celebrate his victory ya ^^

LCW's achievement in MO 2006 have made the malaysian proud and it was not enough. I hope LCW will not be just satisfied with the victory over LD and continue will make his debut again. LCW must proved himself in the next thomas cup and World championship title only the world will acknowledged he is a capable player for malaysian. It's too early to celebrate his victory ya ^^

Yes indeed... I hope it's not like flower blooming once in a lifetime

taufik was mo 2000 winner, do u know who taufik beat in the final, was he a malaysia player ?

That was 6 years ago laaaaaa.......:rolleyes:

yeah.....peolpe don't have strong memory nowdays..so nobody remember loh....6 years a long time..

And people wonder why Lin Dan was pissed!??? Put yourself in his shoes, and think about how you feel when you have thousands of people chanting against you so loud... whole building about to fall apart DURING THE ENTIRE match. Then you guys demand "Respect"....hahahahaaaa....

Actually, we did not chanting against him.
We just cheer for our warrior.
Everybody did the same thing too!
It was Lin Dan who failed to control his emotion.

Ooooo..yess..... we do demand RESPECT here:D :D :D

Yes indeed... I hope it's not like flower blooming once in a lifetime
No, it won't be. LCW will win MO next year.

Actually, we did not chanting against him.
We just cheer for our warrior.
Everybody did the same thing too!
It was Lin Dan who failed to control his emotion.

Ooooo..yess..... we do demand RESPECT here:D :D :D

Agree wf wat u said. Frankly speaking, fans in kch were not only cheered for LCW, but LD as well for both of their hard work, but of coz more cheer to LCW! :D If LD did showed sportmanship that day, he'd get cheered instead of long boo...ed :p

Juz focus on CT Open now, hope LCW will prove himself again, Malaysia Boleh!!! And thks for all moderators, I'll bear that in mind! ;)

yes.. that's true. I heard many bad rumours about china players nowdays especially in the forums such as snobbish and arrogant. That's just because of what happened in MO2006. I think most of the people just put themselves in LCW's shoe not LD. LD has his own feelings too after the defeat for not playing well, maybe his mood and pressures but it does not mean LD is not a good player ya. We shouldn't have the bad impressions on chinese players just because of one person. What and how do we feel if we are on LD's shoe? I've read the Star newspaper saying "the chinese player was booed for mocking his cheque down and throwing away the sarawakien hat" I think there's misunderstanding here between LD and the malaysian crowd and i wonder LD really throws away his hat and of what i've seen he's just taken off his hat, i would like to see a proof about that... I bet LD was upset because nobody taking his photographs. probably he just went off. I'm here not because of LD's supporter or LCW's. If a person has 10 good deeds , 1 single bad thing of him, humans are just always look at a single bad thing. so unfair ya . Anyway i wish good luck to LCW in next tournament and hopefully LD will still be the world champion ^^.

Look, just remember the bovious... he saved himself from 8 match points against Lin Dan and thats a real achievement in itself... i thought he would lose out in the end... but he didn't and he won. Hats off to Lee Choong Wei.