I went to watch the Malaysian Open 2006 yesterday. It was a major disappointment to FINALLY see for myself how the China players present themselves in front of their fans (I always read in this forum how some of the china players are not friendly, but I never believe because they seem so nice when they are on stage waving to fans. But, yesterday, I FINALLY saw it myself, they were smiling and waving to fans on stage and when they were outside, you can see their TRUE self). Honestly, china players are very snobbish. My god, comparing them with players from Denmark and England, it's just like heaven and hell. I approached China players for autograph, well, not only me but other fans as well, but all we got was their "super-snobbish" treatment. They are not friendly AT ALL. They don't even smile... in fact, they won their match. If you say, they lose, it's understandable they are not in good mood. But, they won.

When I approached the Denmark and England players, I was so touched by their sincerity and friendliness. They are so nice!! I truly salute them from the bottom of my heart. Probably, the only nice person so far that I met from China is Chen Jin. I'm really very disappointed with such kind of attitude shown by the China players. I guess they have forgotten that they are representing China, whatever attitude they show when they are overseas, will reflect on how the world looks at China. They are just like an "ambassador" of China. As for what happened to Lin Dan, I guess everyone should know by now..no elaboration is needed.

p/s: Forgot to add this earlier, Lee Hyun Il, when he didn't want to sign autograph (I guess he was sad because he lost), he smile to the fans and said no. At least, he smiled.

I was agreed the china players especially Lin Dan show bad attitude in Malaysia Open finals. I guess Badminton Assc. of Malaysia forward Lin Dan matter to International Badminton Federation for discipline action. Very bad!!!:crying:

I went to watch the Malaysian Open 2006 yesterday. It was a major disappointment to FINALLY see for myself how the China players present themselves in front of their fans (I always read in this forum how some of the china players are not friendly, but I never believe because they seem so nice when they are on stage waving to fans. But, yesterday, I FINALLY saw it myself, they were smiling and waving to fans on stage and when they were outside, you can see their TRUE self). Honestly, china players are very snobbish. My god, comparing them with players from Denmark and England, it's just like heaven and hell. I approached China players for autograph, well, not only me but other fans as well, but all we got was their "super-snobbish" treatment. They are not friendly AT ALL. They don't even smile... in fact, they won their match. If you say, they lose, it's understandable they are not in good mood. But, they won.

When I approached the Denmark and England players, I was so touched by their sincerity and friendliness. They are so nice!! I truly salute them from the bottom of my heart. Probably, the only nice person so far that I met from China is Chen Jin. I'm really very disappointed with such kind of attitude shown by the China players. I guess they have forgotten that they are representing China, whatever attitude they show when they are overseas, will reflect on how the world looks at China. They are just like an "ambassador" of China. As for what happened to Lin Dan, I guess everyone should know by now..no elaboration is needed.

p/s: Forgot to add this earlier, Lee Hyun Il, when he didn't want to sign autograph (I guess he was sad because he lost), he smile to the fans and said no. At least, he smiled.

Cindie, agree with u. I went to MO semi n final---with my niece n nephew, who love badminton so much. They bought nice notebooks and caps, hoping that those top guns would sign autograph for them, but it seems tat only M'sian players and Europe players are approachable.

I even spoken personally to Tracey Hallem, n she is real friendly. For those who were in the stadium yesterday....u know wat happen, need no elaborate more. My personal encounter with Du Jing, the WD runner up, were terrible. My nephew bring his notebook n marker pen to her, n i even asked her permission to sign on his notebook, she juz kind of look at us, n went off, without saying even a word. I m not saying jargon to her, as i was spoken mandarin, her mother tongue.

For me, if you lost de match, n ppl still ask for ur autograph, u shld be grateful on tat....look at it as encouragement, not distraction or disturbance.

Fortunately Zhang Ning gave her autograph, if not....i will be so disappointed, for i supported her wholeheartedly.

I was agreed the china players especially Lin Dan show bad attitude in Malaysia Open finals. I guess Badminton Assc. of Malaysia forward Lin Dan matter to International Badminton Federation for discipline action. Very bad!!!:crying:

From the very beginning I have never lend my support to Chinese players...especially LD. The majority of the current Chinesse players have been the carbon copies of Li Yong Bo. They are " narrow-minded" emotionally and socially. They are lacking in and emphaty and interpersonal-relationship. I am not surprised at all...that is the product of Li Yong Bo. Like Coach, Like Athlete.!!

They rarely smile...I do not why...perhaps in China smiling or being friendly is a SIN...They are so exclusive and cannot socialize with other people from different nations.

Even the most controversial player, TH, will never do that. TH has a very deep respect on PG and other players...but not on Chinese players....
When he lost to Sato during the last TC, he praised him...

TH is only difficult to control by PBSI but never disrespects other players....

Now I understand why Taufik said to LD during the last TC " If you want defeat me, wait for me in the WC in SPain ...."

My friend met him the other day and asked for a photo session. He (Morten Frost) rejected nicely by telling my friend that he was having an holiday. He prefer to walk alone and enjoyed his walk (in slipper) around China Town, Kuching.

Good manner!

I understand that if some player(s) refusing autograph maybe disappointing to you. But considering that if the person has to sign every autograph, which can be in the thousands. One is only human, perhaps happy to sign five or ten. But after a hundred of autograph/pictures, it is draining on the player(s). This is like for 3 or 4 days in a row. Now, this is especially true for the top players. If there is a set a side time for autograph, I am sure this is fine. But these people get approach everytime/everywhere they go. So, it is too much for them.

In a similar way, try to get a autograph/picture from a movie star, like Tom Hanks, see how much luck you have... Just have an open mind and be understanding. If you got an autograph/picture. Be happy. If not, try again later or try someone else. If I was turn down for a autograph, I will be disappointed. But I won't be a crying baby.

I am not taking sides or pointing the fingers. Have you stop and think that whatever steps these player(s) take maybe a way of protecting themselves and privacy from the public? See how long you can last with your smile when fans follow you everywhere.

From the very beginning I have never lend my support to Chinese players...especially LD. The majority of the current Chinesse players have been the carbon copies of Li Yong Bo. They are " narrow-minded" emotionally and socially. They are lacking in and emphaty and interpersonal-relationship. I am not surprised at all...that is the product of Li Yong Bo. Like Coach, Like Athlete.!!

They rarely smile...I do not why...perhaps in China smiling or being friendly is a SIN...They are so exclusive and cannot socialize with other people from different nations.

Even the most controversial player, TH, will never do that. TH has a very deep respect on PG and other players...but not on Chinese players....
When he lost to Sato during the last TC, he praised him...

TH is only difficult to control by PBSI but never disrespects other players....

Now I understand why Taufik said to LD during the last TC " If you want defeat me, wait for me in the WC in SPain ...."

Ok, ok... I don't want to start any debate. I agree that LD (as well as some other CHN players did have some problem with their attitude with media or fans, etc)

However, no need to generalize the comment to everyone under the CHN flag. And to me, bring in LYB's name is pointless. Yeah, I know coach does carry responsibility to educate his players, and LYB is not "mr. popular" to a lot of fans. But please, no need to express your anger toward the whole group... :cool:

I understand that if some player(s) refusing autograph maybe disappointing to you. But considering that if the person has to sign every autograph, which can be in the thousands. One is only human, perhaps happy to sign five or ten. But after a hundred of autograph/pictures, it is draining on the player(s). This is like for 3 or 4 days in a row. Now, this is especially true for the top players. If there is a set a side time for autograph, I am sure this is fine. But these people get approach everytime/everywhere they go. So, it is too much for them.

In a similar way, try to get a autograph/picture from a movie star, like Tom Hanks, see how much luck you have... Just have an open mind and be understanding. If you got an autograph/picture. Be happy. If not, try again later or try someone else. If I was turn down for a autograph, I will be disappointed. But I won't be a crying baby.

agree....they are human indeed. But they can be more polite or reject it in a nice way. I asked Li Mao for a photo session yesterday, he rejected too, but, at least he told me his reason, and i m not disappointed at all. I got autograph from Chen Hong, and i wish him good luck n 'jia you', u know, he looked at me weirdly as if, i m ALIEN...dunno, may b he was too surprise tat Malaysian can speak their language....well, well, well, thank him for his autograph, though not so friendly as expected.

I think the way players portray themselves are influence by their background mostly. Not all China players are arrogant, n not all Europe players are friendly. Being international players however, they should bear in mind that, they are representing their home country....

I understand that if some player(s) refusing autograph maybe disappointing to you. But considering that if the person has to sign every autograph, which can be in the thousands. One is only human, perhaps happy to sign five or ten. But after a hundred of autograph/pictures, it is draining on the player(s). This is like for 3 or 4 days in a row. Now, this is especially true for the top players. If there is a set a side time for autograph, I am sure this is fine. But these people get approach everytime/everywhere they go. So, it is too much for them.

In a similar way, try to get a autograph/picture from a movie star, like Tom Hanks, see how much luck you have... Just have an open mind and be understanding. If you got an autograph/picture. Be happy. If not, try again later or try someone else. If I was turn down for a autograph, I will be disappointed. But I won't be a crying baby.

Good point.

A story always have 2 sides. If everyone can think a bit more for others (imagine if you are in his/her role), then, there should be much less of a mis-communication issue. :rolleyes:

Ok, ok... I don't want to start any debate. I agree that LD (as well as some other CHN players did have some problem with their attitude with media or fans, etc)

However, no need to generalize the comment to everyone under the CHN flag. And to me, bring in LYB's name is pointless. Yeah, I know coach does carry responsibility to educate his players, and LYB is not "mr. popular" to a lot of fans. But please, no need to express your anger toward the whole group... :cool:

FIVE buddy, agree with u 101%. 1 or 2 or 3 players doesn't means all....juz dun need to generalize. ;)

I went to singapore badminton hall to watch chinese players practice during Aviva Open, the impression they give me is nice. I'm not just look at them but also spoken to their players,coaches and team leader. I was chit chat with Xie ZhongBo(no1 mixed double) for around 20min after his training session.

Overall nice china team I met during my visit.

I understand that if some player(s) refusing autograph maybe disappointing to you. But considering that if the person has to sign every autograph, which can be in the thousands. One is only human, perhaps happy to sign five or ten. But after a hundred of autograph/pictures, it is draining on the player(s). This is like for 3 or 4 days in a row. Now, this is especially true for the top players. If there is a set a side time for autograph, I am sure this is fine. But these people get approach everytime/everywhere they go. So, it is too much for them.

In a similar way, try to get a autograph/picture from a movie star, like Tom Hanks, see how much luck you have... Just have an open mind and be understanding. If you got an autograph/picture. Be happy. If not, try again later or try someone else. If I was turn down for a autograph, I will be disappointed. But I won't be a crying baby.

I am not taking sides or pointing the fingers. Have you stop and think that whatever steps these player(s) take maybe a way of protecting themselves and privacy from the public? See how long you can last with your smile when fans follow you everywhere.

I agree with you. I have been rejected before and I don't hate the players for that or criticise their national players as a whole.

I sat near to Peter Gade during the SO2006 final day and I saw so many people approaching him for pictures and autograph that he can hardly watch the match or have an extended conversation with Kenneth Jonassen and their coach. Gade keep standing up and sitting down throughout. He is a wonderful person, but we cannot expect every other player to be THAT patient.

Players are people too. They have the right to their own hands and they can choose not to sign your autograph. They have their right to their own face and they can choose not to smile. And sometimes, how they react might not be what we interpret it as. They could be very shy, or they could be mentally exhausted that they just want to be left alone to think about things and when you approached them, their thoughts were not there and thus they cannot reject you nicely with a smile.

Afterall, we have no right to demand that other people do this or do that to suit what we want, the same way as we do not want other people to dictate what we do.

I can say with certainty that xie zhong buo is a nice guy...met him at the WC2005 and he was cool about taking a picture and stuff.

From the very beginning I have never lend my support to Chinese players...especially LD. The majority of the current Chinesse players have been the carbon copies of Li Yong Bo. They are " narrow-minded" emotionally and socially. They are lacking in and emphaty and interpersonal-relationship. I am not surprised at all...that is the product of Li Yong Bo. Like Coach, Like Athlete.!!

They rarely smile...I do not why...perhaps in China smiling or being friendly is a SIN...They are so exclusive and cannot socialize with other people from different nations.

Even the most controversial player, TH, will never do that. TH has a very deep respect on PG and other players...but not on Chinese players....
When he lost to Sato during the last TC, he praised him...

TH is only difficult to control by PBSI but never disrespects other players....

Now I understand why Taufik said to LD during the last TC " If you want defeat me, wait for me in the WC in SPain ...."Well,what you say are not definitely correct.Yuo can't say all the chinese players have bad attitude.This are very unfair.Although some of them maybe not so polite,but i think they didn't mean it in that way.So, please don't say that.As a chinese,i will be sad hearing this.:crying: As for Taufik,i think he sholdn't say all this serious word.

Ok, ok... I don't want to start any debate. I agree that LD (as well as some other CHN players did have some problem with their attitude with media or fans, etc)

However, no need to generalize the comment to everyone under the CHN flag. And to me, bring in LYB's name is pointless. Yeah, I know coach does carry responsibility to educate his players, and LYB is not "mr. popular" to a lot of fans. But please, no need to express your anger toward the whole group... :cool:

Yes...I made a wrong generalization on Chinese players. No disrespect is intended please. :)

Just the opposite to the men group, I admit that most of the Chinese women players are very nice... :)

I understand that if some player(s) refusing autograph maybe disappointing to you. But considering that if the person has to sign every autograph, which can be in the thousands. One is only human, perhaps happy to sign five or ten. But after a hundred of autograph/pictures, it is draining on the player(s). This is like for 3 or 4 days in a row. Now, this is especially true for the top players. If there is a set a side time for autograph, I am sure this is fine. But these people get approach everytime/everywhere they go. So, it is too much for them.

In a similar way, try to get a autograph/picture from a movie star, like Tom Hanks, see how much luck you have... Just have an open mind and be understanding. If you got an autograph/picture. Be happy. If not, try again later or try someone else. If I was turn down for a autograph, I will be disappointed. But I won't be a crying baby.

I am not taking sides or pointing the fingers. Have you stop and think that whatever steps these player(s) take maybe a way of protecting themselves and privacy from the public? See how long you can last with your smile when fans follow you everywhere.

I just think, it is a duty to promote badminton by a professional badminton player, signing an autograph to the kids will help much for this little generation. He or She loss the opportunity to promote the games (indirect way). no offen!!!!!!!!!!

Yes...I made a wrong generalization on Chinese players. No disrespect is intended please. :)

Just the opposite to the men group, I admit that most of the Chinese women players are very nice... :)

No problems :)

I have tons of chinese friends and they are nice. It's just so happened that those players that did not behave well are players from China. Most chinese are most certainly not like that！

Those players should have something to think about.

From the very beginning I have never lend my support to Chinese players...especially LD. The majority of the current Chinesse players have been the carbon copies of Li Yong Bo. They are " narrow-minded" emotionally and socially. They are lacking in and emphaty and interpersonal-relationship. I am not surprised at all...that is the product of Li Yong Bo. Like Coach, Like Athlete.!!

They rarely smile...I do not why...perhaps in China smiling or being friendly is a SIN...They are so exclusive and cannot socialize with other people from different nations.

Even the most controversial player, TH, will never do that. TH has a very deep respect on PG and other players...but not on Chinese players....
When he lost to Sato during the last TC, he praised him...

TH is only difficult to control by PBSI but never disrespects other players....

Now I understand why Taufik said to LD during the last TC " If you want defeat me, wait for me in the WC in SPain ...."
:) Truely agree.for what i know all this while Taufik n LD are not getting along well..he kind of doesn't think that LD is a good player..bt i saw on newspaper once that Taufik said his most respected player is Peter Gade.The other 1 is Sun Jun who is not playing anymore.

I went to singapore badminton hall to watch chinese players practice during Aviva Open, the impression they give me is nice. I'm not just look at them but also spoken to their players,coaches and team leader. I was chit chat with Xie ZhongBo(no1 mixed double) for around 20min after his training session.

Overall nice china team I met during my visit.
can tell me where is Singapore Badminton Hall?and which is the nearest mrt there?Would thanks a lot for ur info!:) :)

I went to watch the Malaysian Open 2006 yesterday. It was a major disappointment to FINALLY see for myself how the China players present themselves in front of their fans (I always read in this forum how some of the china players are not friendly, but I never believe because they seem so nice when they are on stage waving to fans. But, yesterday, I FINALLY saw it myself, they were smiling and waving to fans on stage and when they were outside, you can see their TRUE self). Honestly, china players are very snobbish. My god, comparing them with players from Denmark and England, it's just like heaven and hell. I approached China players for autograph, well, not only me but other fans as well, but all we got was their "super-snobbish" treatment. They are not friendly AT ALL. They don't even smile... in fact, they won their match. If you say, they lose, it's understandable they are not in good mood. But, they won.

When I approached the Denmark and England players, I was so touched by their sincerity and friendliness. They are so nice!! I truly salute them from the bottom of my heart. Probably, the only nice person so far that I met from China is Chen Jin. I'm really very disappointed with such kind of attitude shown by the China players. I guess they have forgotten that they are representing China, whatever attitude they show when they are overseas, will reflect on how the world looks at China. They are just like an "ambassador" of China. As for what happened to Lin Dan, I guess everyone should know by now..no elaboration is needed.

p/s: Forgot to add this earlier, Lee Hyun Il, when he didn't want to sign autograph (I guess he was sad because he lost), he smile to the fans and said no. At least, he smiled.

I witness the same thing when the China team came to Kota kinabalu at the MO 2003. They were very reluctant to sign autograph for their fans. Some even showed their sour faces when they had no choice but to pose for pictures with the local fans.

European players treated local fans better. JR gave his t shirt to a fan after a training session.

It happened in 2003 Malaysian Open KK

:) Truely agree.for what i know all this while Taufik n LD are not getting along well..he kind of doesn't think that LD is a good player..bt i saw on newspaper once that Taufik said his most respected player is Peter Gade.The other 1 is Sun Jun who is not playing anymore.


Yes, I think both Peter Gade & Taufik Hidayat have deep respect for each other and are good friends and also with Wong Choong Hann as well.

Other players that are very respectable towards others are Kenneth Jonassen, Jonas Ramussen, Tony Gunawan, Candra Wijiya, Lee Choong Wei, Hafiz Hashim. There are more to this list but I haven't had the opportunity to witness it so they are not added to this list yet.

uhuh, there's no need to generalize china's players attitude because not all players are... Gao Ling is very friendly... she smiles a lot... I love her.. She's a nice sweet girl..

BUT, LD and Cai Yun's disgusted action has definitely ruined china's image...

SO the conclusion is think twice before you do something... You dont want to end up like LD, being booed twice in the stadium n multiple times in the BC forum.. N make Malaysians feel insulted... All these things LD had caused, are too deep inside our Malaysian fans' hearts to get rid of it

uhuh, there's no need to generalize china's players attitude because not all players are... Gao Ling is very friendly... she smiles a lot... I love her.. She's a nice sweet girl..

BUT, LD and Cai Yun's disgusted action has definitely ruined china's image...

SO the conclusion is think twice before you do something... You dont want to end up like LD, being booed twice in the stadium n multiple times in the BC forum.. N make Malaysians feel insulted... All these things LD had caused, are too deep inside our Malaysian fans' hearts to get rid of it

Five hara.........I like Gao Ling too.

It's so enjoyable watching her playing her game. She seems very relax and always smile even she made mistakes. I am sure she is very approachable when you ask for her autograph.

can tell me where is Singapore Badminton Hall?and which is the nearest mrt there?Would thanks a lot for ur info!:) :)

it was held in Singapore indoor stadium.

the nearest station is Kallang MRT station

by bus: SBS 11 or 16

Well, I think, Lin Dan should be able to behave better, but I think he is quite disappointed. Sometimes it is hard to judge the line judge during tournament. I think not only in MO or IO, but in China, the line judges are also sometimes bad. So, we'd better see the attitude of the players for the future tournament, whether they act the same, so then we know which players have the best character. Be wise, friends.

For the European players, I have met the Danish team during last European Championships 2006, and they are quite friendly. I even sit among them and enjoy some snacks. Also the English and other European players.

Well, I think, Lin Dan should be able to behave better, but I think he is quite disappointed. Sometimes it is hard to judge the line judge during tournament. I think not only in MO or IO, but in China, the line judges are also sometimes bad. So, we'd better see the attitude of the players for the future tournament, whether they act the same, so then we know which players have the best character. Be wise, friends.

For the European players, I have met the Danish team during last European Championships 2006, and they are quite friendly. I even sit among them and enjoy some snacks. Also the English and other European players.

But in Malaysian Open 2006 men singles final, i'm sure everyone will agree on me that there have been no bad calls during lee chong wei surprise comeback to make LD behave like dat... as i can recall

I've read another newly updated interview, LD had said that Malaysian cheated on him.. N I was like frozen at that moment.. What the hell we cheated on him?

But in Malaysian Open 2006 men singles final, i'm sure everyone will agree on me that there have been no bad calls during lee chong wei surprise comeback to make LD behave like dat... as i can recall

I've read another newly updated interview, LD had said that Malaysian cheated on him.. N I was like frozen at that moment.. What the hell we cheated on him?

MALAYSIAN CHEATED ON HIM??? wat he talking bout...saying incorrect things when he lost??? haihhh...

Dont label their behaviour others behaviours.. their behaviour lacks of moral and doesn't apply to everyone in this world thank you:rolleyes:

Correct, Malaysian judges didnt cheat at all because Mo judges include judges from Japan n Thailand... And as I can remember, the men singles final umpire is someone frm thailand i guess (someone correct me if im wrong)

Correct, Malaysian judges because Mo judges include judges from Japan n Thailand... And as I can remember, the men singles final umpire is someone frm thailand i guess (someone correct me if im wrong)

U R RIGHT.
HE IS FROM THAILAND !!!

Correct, Malaysian judges didnt cheat at all because Mo judges include judges from Japan n Thailand... And as I can remember, the men singles final umpire is someone frm thailand i guess (someone correct me if im wrong)
Although they are Thailand or Japan. But they still get waves from your country.

OK, we've already closed 2 thread debating Lin Dan's behaviour. Do we need to close this one too? We really should, as it's already gone out of hand.

Don't go saying "he started it", because each poster is responsible for his own posts and reactions.

I'm a moron who believes in human beings, so I'm going to let this thread stay open, hoping that you will either:

a) end this debate as it is clearly going nowhere
b) continue the debate in a civilized manner

If neither a) nor b) happens, some of you are going to get yourselves banned from this forum and this thread will be locked.

And while I'm at it, I'll offer you a favourite quote of mine:

Nationalism is a lie,
told to create conflict without reason
and unity without purpose.

Mag
Moderator

I dont know why all he people always says that Gao Ling is friendly..........
i still remember 2004 Singapore open. Gao Ling was sitting infront of me when i called to for a picture. She did not even look at me. I called for 30 seconds but she refused to look. Untill Chen Hong turn over and ask me to fo off. This is what u call friendly???Smiling in the court is only part of her strategy to get supporters.
Even Zhou Mi show her long face all the time.........refused to take pics and stuff......
Lin Dan is even worse. I got a pass to enter the those players' places and saw lin dan.He was rite infront of me and dun wanna take pics untill Zhang ning ask him to.So dissapointed with him.

Wanna know who is friendly?
All the english and denmark players............Emms is one of them
Btw, Zhang Ning and Yang Wei is friendly.............
They gave autograph and take picture with a smile..........

I dont know why all he people always says that Gao Ling is friendly..........
i still remember 2004 Singapore open. Gao Ling was sitting infront of me when i called to for a picture. She did not even look at me. I called for 30 seconds but she refused to look. Untill Chen Hong turn over and ask me to fo off. This is what u call friendly???Smiling in the court is only part of her strategy to get supporters.
Even Zhou Mi show her long face all the time.........refused to take pics and stuff......
Lin Dan is even worse. I got a pass to enter the those players' places and saw lin dan.He was rite infront of me and dun wanna take pics untill Zhang ning ask him to.So dissapointed with him.

Wanna know who is friendly?
All the english and denmark players............Emms is one of them
Btw, Zhang Ning and Yang Wei is friendly.............
They gave autograph and take picture with a smile..........

OMG, if this is true then I will be very disappointed. Can't imagine Gao Ling did that when she is off the court. Joanne, is it very noisy when you called her at that time?

During AE2006, I called her before she enter the court and she gave a big smile. I can't believe that is fake.

it's particularly funny watching people fight over this thing.... everyone is human and has emotions, what everyone is doing right now is also part of the 'explosion' that we saw on LD. He's a good player and I have respect for him. Same as LCW,well known for his speed on court. WHat has happened, happened, and yes that was a bad action infront of the crown and who has not had a bad day and 'exploded' infront of other people ? recall on how many times that a person said sorry for their action to the 'victim' of the scene? People grow and learn from their mistakes and from my personal experience, you won't learn without mistakes. What had happened was just the mistake happened at the wrong time and wrong place. Regarding 'Cheating', I've watched the whole match after a BC member Aerotus100JP posted the link online today. The whole match was pretty fair from my point of view. There's only 1 point in the first game that was a mistake by the lineman and that is it. The Malaysian has proved to be fair having an Umpire of a different country. According to come members that says that the Malaysians a cheating, well, maybe he has not left the shadow of his defeat last year in MO. Ah, LD, i think he's a good player and at the same time LCW is on par and improving. Let everyone just take a break about this subject, have a great day or maybe play some BAD today.... muahahhahhaa:D

Well, to generalize behavior of CHN shuttlers. Actually its not all of them like that. I still praise to Xie Zhong Bo, Chen Hong, Zhang Jun and Gao Ling but not Cai/Fu. I saw them all at German Open this year. I do not know about LD and INA top guns. I believe INA top guns should behave properly.

I'm not trying to defend Lin Dan. His attibute in the award ceremony is not acceptable. But most Chinese players were drafted in elementary schools and being sent to training camps training 8 hours a day. They are lack of social life unlike most of the other young kids. Some of them are turned in machines. So we can't expect them to be as friendly as the European players. I read an newspapers article saying that movie stars and sport stars should be friendly to the fans because we are the one who help pay for their salary. But it may not be the case in China. However they are respresenting the country. So I think it is up to the Chinese sport authority to do something to start teaching the players how to deal with fans and other players.

I just think, it is a duty to promote badminton by a professional badminton player, signing an autograph to the kids will help much for this little generation. He or She loss the opportunity to promote the games (indirect way). no offen!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it's what we think as a fan. Just think if you are a star, and see a line of hundreds (or thousands) everyday, and see if you can make everyone happy.

Yeah, athletes should promote the sport, the singer should promote music, and movie stars should promote the movie, etc. However, they are human being, they need time to eat, to sleep, to be with their families, and to do whatever the best for them. As long as they have a legit reason, and express their feeling in a polite manner, nothing is wrong with that.

Remember, we are bothering them, taking away their time/energy to gain joyment for ourselves. If they do accept the request, they are doing us fans a huge favor. They don't own us to start with. :cool:

I dont know why all he people always says that Gao Ling is friendly..........
i still remember 2004 Singapore open. Gao Ling was sitting infront of me when i called to for a picture. She did not even look at me. I called for 30 seconds but she refused to look. Untill Chen Hong turn over and ask me to fo off. This is what u call friendly???Smiling in the court is only part of her strategy to get supporters.
Even Zhou Mi show her long face all the time.........refused to take pics and stuff......
Lin Dan is even worse. I got a pass to enter the those players' places and saw lin dan.He was rite infront of me and dun wanna take pics untill Zhang ning ask him to.So dissapointed with him.

Wanna know who is friendly?
All the english and denmark players............Emms is one of them
Btw, Zhang Ning and Yang Wei is friendly.............
They gave autograph and take picture with a smile..........

Maybe you caught Gao Ling and Chen Hong at a time when they were having a lover's argument and cold war? :D

Someone has to help me to provide a whole video match for you coz you didnt watch the match at all... I could swear the judge didnt cheat...

IF I WERE LINDAN, I WOULD NOT INSULT MY OWN COUNTRY

IM NOT ANGRY BECAUSE LEE CHONG WEI WON RESPECTIVELY

I guess you are one of those nationalistic freak who only cares for their players..

EastDevil, help me.. I know you are good in handling these

Are you going to pay me salary for the work? :D

Maybe you caught Gao Ling and Chen Hong at a time when they were having a lover's argument and cold war? :D
Hmm, on this, i agree also that it could be at the wrong time or wrong place. Different example or situation, I remember last yr. during the WC i happened to experience one similar incident also. In that incident, unknowingly, i tried to take pics with the 2 top CHN's WD pairs just before their match, but one of the pair refused. But then later in this forum, i found out that certain player(s), don't want to be bothered *just before* playing their match(es)..
Thus, after the explanation, i understand...;) :cool:

Hmm, on this, i agree also that it could be at the wrong time or wrong place. Different example or situation, I remember last yr. during the WC i happened to experience one similar incident also. In that incident, unknowingly, i tried to take pics with the 2 top CHN's WD pairs just before their match, but one of the pair refused. But then later in this forum, i found out that certain player(s), don't want to be bothered *just before* playing their match(es)..
Thus, after the explanation, i understand...;) :cool:

Later in the forum? How?
The player(s) tell you here?

Later in the forum? How?
The player(s) tell you here?
hmm, not the players. But some of the BCers posted their past experiences as well. I don't recall which thread(s) it was, but *if you want* you can try to search in last yr's WC's thread..hehe:p ;)

Hmm, on this, i agree also that it could be at the wrong time or wrong place. Different example or situation, I remember last yr. during the WC i happened to experience one similar incident also. In that incident, unknowingly, i tried to take pics with the 2 top CHN's WD pairs just before their match, but one of the pair refused. But then later in this forum, i found out that certain player(s), don't want to be bothered *just before* playing their match(es)..
Thus, after the explanation, i understand...;) :cool:

Well, it should not be "certain" players. We should remember to have the courtesy not to bother them before their match. They have tough fights and performance targets to meet and its definitely a stressful job in front of so many people. I think the last thing they want is to take pictures. :D

Five hara.........I like Gao Ling too.

It's so enjoyable watching her playing her game. She seems very relax and always smile even she made mistakes. I am sure she is very approachable when you ask for her autograph.

I think you better pull up other threads and read some of the fans' opinion of her after attempting to get an autograph.:rolleyes:

Maybe you caught Gao Ling and Chen Hong at a time when they were having a lover's argument and cold war? :D

Yeah, but to hell her to f*** off, that's a little too much. While that might not be their general behaviour, all a fan needs is one bad impression and that image lingers long.

But in Malaysian Open 2006 men singles final, i'm sure everyone will agree on me that there have been no bad calls during lee chong wei surprise comeback to make LD behave like dat... as i can recall

I've read another newly updated interview, LD had said that Malaysian cheated on him.. N I was like frozen at that moment.. What the hell we cheated on him?

Can you please post the interview? I would like to read it. Thanks.

Well, it's what we think as a fan. Just think if you are a star, and see a line of hundreds (or thousands) everyday, and see if you can make everyone happy.

Yeah, athletes should promote the sport, the singer should promote music, and movie stars should promote the movie, etc. However, they are human being, they need time to eat, to sleep, to be with their families, and to do whatever the best for them. As long as they have a legit reason, and express their feeling in a polite manner, nothing is wrong with that.

Remember, we are bothering them, taking away their time/energy to gain joyment for ourselves. If they do accept the request, they are doing us fans a huge favor. They don't own us to start with. :cool:

OHHHHH... MY godness!!! Someone in this thread actually has lots of common sense!!!! I respect you truly!!!

Lin Dan just got OWNED by the whole malaysian crowd, chanting like crazy!!!
I am sure he was not mad at LCW for his loss, but probably the crowd for all the distraction created during the match.

In a match of singles badminton, one player will win, and one will lose... but to play under that much additional distration is just very frasturating. If I were LD, I would NEVER throw the cheque away(because I am a money-loving freak), but for sure I would reject the hat... hahaha. I would blame it on something like it is against my religious beliefs, or I have allegies.. and I am a disrepectfully jerk!!! =P

Lin Dan just got OWNED by the whole malaysian crowd, chanting like crazy!!!
I am sure he was not mad at LCW for his loss, but probably the crowd for all the distraction created during the match.

In a match of singles badminton, one player will win, and one will lose... but to play under that much additional distration is just very frasturating. If I were LD, I would NEVER throw the cheque away(because I am a money-loving freak), but for sure I would reject the hat... hahaha. I would blame it on something like it is against my religious beliefs, or I have allegies.. and I am a disrepectfully jerk!!! =P

Please, if u watch China Open or China Master, the crowd support their own players, chanting like crazy too, but we have never complained abt that. It is the same everywhere.

hmm, not the players. But some of the BCers posted their past experiences as well. I don't recall which thread(s) it was, but *if you want* you can try to search in last yr's WC's thread..hehe:p ;)

thanks.........will certainly do a search and look for the truth.

I think you better pull up other threads and read some of the fans' opinion of her after attempting to get an autograph.:rolleyes:

Yes, will certainly do. I am very very disappointed. :crying:

Sport is all about peace and love yet we are bringing hate into here. Can we be more forgiving to each other?

Maybe LD did have a bad mood that day and shown disrespected to the Mals, but I don’t think he really meant it. Do we still remember the wonderful story of LD during this year AE? It does prove him and the Chinese team are just as good as everybody else.

Further more, please don’t turn this into a nation vs nation debate, we should be all good friends when playing on the court or off court. There are so few nations that are actually competing in badminton, and we should cherish and cheer for each other instead of hate.

Peace!

Well, it should not be "certain" players. We should remember to have the courtesy not to bother them before their match. They have tough fights and performance targets to meet and its definitely a stressful job in front of so many people. I think the last thing they want is to take pictures. :D
Hmm, yah i know, that's what i learned...:p But if i remember, i was able to take a quick pic with one of the WD pair *before their* match without any problem. Oh, i remember now, it was GaoL/HuangS which refused to take a pic *before* the match, but i believe they accepted the offer after their match ended(i think i still have the pic posted somewhere in this forum?!?!:rolleyes: )...On that note, i'm not trying to "pick on" certain players, but i remember recently in another tournament thread, similar thing also happened with a couple of BCers who requested a pic with the Japanese WD players but were turned away (aih, forgot which thread also)..:p :rolleyes:

Hi everybody, it has come to my attention that alot of people have become very aggressive about the comments on the chinese. And certainly they do deserve a fair amount for the attitudes they displayed in the MO 2006. However, we can't solely judge them on this one incident alone nor should we ignore what they're trying to achieve (the best which is an unrealistic goal cuz someone is always going to be better than you). People do get frustrated, and certainly the chinese team has yet to learn some manners. Or perhaps the coaching staff have something to do with it ? Another possibility is that some of the players hasn't had enuff losing (which I think is a good experience or else you become too ignorant). In any case my point is, all this negative talk is leading to sterotyping of the chinese in general. And I believe this leads to great hostility. So before we jump to any big conclusions (which create assumptions and when you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME), lets do what Gillian Clark does, and focus on the positive points and give players the benefit of the doubt. Despite some of the serious infractions. I don't think that should require name calling, and negative comments about what they are really like inside (that hurts man). Like what Kwun said in a different thread, CALM DOWN.

PS. Yes I know Lin Dan usually shows his ugly sides in most games I've seen him in. ANd yes it is a pity since he's one of the top figures that represents badminton, but there other players from other countries that exhibit the same ego.

Hi everybody, it has come to my attention that alot of people have become very aggressive about the comments on the chinese. And certainly they do deserve a fair amount for the attitudes they displayed in the MO 2006. However, we can't solely judge them on this one incident alone nor should we ignore what they're trying to achieve (the best which is an unrealistic goal cuz someone is always going to be better than you). People do get frustrated, and certainly the chinese team has yet to learn some manners. Or perhaps the coaching staff have something to do with it ? Another possibility is that some of the players hasn't had enuff losing (which I think is a good experience or else you become too ignorant). In any case my point is, all this negative talk is leading to sterotyping of the chinese in general. And I believe this leads to great hostility. So before we jump to any big conclusions (which create assumptions and when you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME), lets do what Gillian Clark does, and focus on the positive points and give players the benefit of the doubt. Despite some of the serious infractions. I don't think that should require name calling, and negative comments about what they are really like inside (that hurts man). Like what Kwun said in a different thread, CALM DOWN.

PS. Yes I know Lin Dan usually shows his ugly sides in most games I've seen him in. ANd yes it is a pity since he's one of the top figures that represents badminton, but there other players from other countries that exhibit the same ego.

Athough I agree with your comments, the long and short of this is it is alright to make our views known. Kwun can do his editing anyway (for rude and vulgar remarks but not curb comments).

I think not all the comments are not within reasons. You, too, have made your remarks here just like everybody else.

Lin Dan should learn to quell his ego from now on and maybe someone should warn him the fans are 'stirred' (I am sure someone will tell him because of our strong remarks).

few years ago i went to the jpn open
asked photographs and pictures from a lot of top players
everyone was so friendly except the chinese
and one even say in chinese "how long must i sign? i might as well simply create a signature with just 2 strokes" to her partner.. thinking that we dun understand chinese!
and she is Zhou Mi!
what a snobbish character!

few years ago i went to the jpn open
asked photographs and pictures from a lot of top players
everyone was so friendly except the chinese
and one even say in chinese "how long must i sign? i might as well simply create a signature with just 2 strokes" to her partner.. thinking that we dun understand chinese!
and she is Zhou Mi!
what a snobbish character!


hey come on, sometimes to others what china players or china people might say in chinese may hurt people's feelings but their intentions are true.

be glad that they even sign for you, players are very tired after a match and just want to return back to rest but several people kept running up to you asking for your signature or some even ask for their jerseys..
obviously if you are the player and you are damn tired i guess you will feel a little irrated..


so guys, im not saying that you cannot get a signature from them but, get it at the right time and try to understand them and put yourself in their position... thankyou

it was held in Singapore indoor stadium.

the nearest station is Kallang MRT station

by bus: SBS 11 or 16
No..that's not what i meant.What I want to know is the location of Singapore badminton hall.I have went to the Singapore Indoor stadium for Aviva Singapore Open.Anyway..thank you!:) :)

SIngapore badminton hall is at Guillemard Road
take bus no.7,197 from kallang mrt then u cross the traffic light n u'll see the badminton hall's building

wow!! its such an eye opener for me to know all these... i am not aware that some ppl hv the view or they'd experience that chinese players are snobbish...i alwiz see them in tv and my thoughts of them are always great..

hhmmpphh.. now it cause me some doubts.. i wonder when i see them again in tv..would i feel the same as like time...

Athough I agree with your comments, the long and short of this is it is alright to make our views known. Kwun can do his editing anyway (for rude and vulgar remarks but not curb comments).

I think not all the comments are not within reasons. You, too, have made your remarks here just like everybody else.

Lin Dan should learn to quell his ego from now on and maybe someone should warn him the fans are 'stirred' (I am sure someone will tell him because of our strong remarks).

Whether he quell his ego is his own business and choice. Fans are fans, not god. We do not dictate what players should do and how they should behave. If we do not like it, we can just simply do not support him or don't watch his games. Sometimes, we should realize that we are just forum users interested in badminton looking at the players from the outside and not develop the illusion that we are running the player's lives. You are at most just another member of the public who does not support a particular player that you do not like and that particular player may not even know that you exist. So whatever strong remarks you would have made.... so? :rolleyes:

We are here to appreciate badminton, not act as players' parents. We do not dictate what they do and they would not dictate what we do.

this thread has 5 pages just now,why now only has 4 pages?

this thread has 5 pages just now,why now only has 4 pages?\

the admin, kwun has deleted them, my last night posts were gone :D, i 've writen too many offtopics here :D

it's particularly funny watching people fight over this thing.... everyone is human and has emotions, what everyone is doing right now is also part of the 'explosion' that we saw on LD. He's a good player and I have respect for him. Same as LCW,well known for his speed on court. WHat has happened, happened, and yes that was a bad action infront of the crown and who has not had a bad day and 'exploded' infront of other people ? recall on how many times that a person said sorry for their action to the 'victim' of the scene? People grow and learn from their mistakes and from my personal experience, you won't learn without mistakes. What had happened was just the mistake happened at the wrong time and wrong place. Regarding 'Cheating', I've watched the whole match after a BC member Aerotus100JP posted the link online today. The whole match was pretty fair from my point of view. There's only 1 point in the first game that was a mistake by the lineman and that is it. The Malaysian has proved to be fair having an Umpire of a different country. According to come members that says that the Malaysians a cheating, well, maybe he has not left the shadow of his defeat last year in MO. Ah, LD, i think he's a good player and at the same time LCW is on par and improving. Let everyone just take a break about this subject, have a great day or maybe play some BAD today.... muahahhahhaa:D

thank godness, ur opinion is fair enough....

About the Gao Ling thing, I dunno...Maybe the time I've met her she was on specially good mood

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the admin, kwun has deleted them, my last night posts were gone :D, i 've writen too many offtopics here :D

my post that i posted just now was gone as well.

my post that i posted just now was gone as well.

Indeed. We are set on killing posts that serve no purpose but to continue this flame war. Your posts fit that description all too well.

I think GaoLing is a friendly person. Smiles are always on her face. She never refuse anybody except when she have a bad mood .

Just bear in mind that players DO NOT owe us their autographs or pictures.

I wonder if there're fans like me. I'm just not interested in autograph and photo with players. I'll be happy only if players putting on a great game. And I don't like my favorate players being bothered by insensitive selfish fans. Once a poster saying he/she hates a player and hopes the player to lose just because autograph request got refused really shocked me. Shouldn't fans have some sporting attitude as well?

Just bear in mind that players DO NOT owe us their autographs or pictures.
Then we DO NOT owe them any cheer or clapping ! your say doesnt make sense, dont u see ?

MS Final: Lin Dan walked into the stadium, head down, cold face (or his normal grumpy face). Peter Gade walked in, head up, waved at the fans, smiled. Wat a difference !

I find this discussion a bit weird. If you read through all the other previous tournaments threads, even the previous MO (2005, 2004), no one actually voiced their dissatisfactions about the Chinese players being rude. I am pretty sure that LD and the rests of the Chinese players were in the last MO. Why all of a sudden such a big mood changed? :confused:
Must be the weather. ;) :p

Then we DO NOT owe them any cheer or clapping ! your say doesnt make sense, dont u see ?

MS Final: Lin Dan walked into the stadium, head down, cold face (or his normal grumpy face). Peter Gade walked in, head up, waved at the fans, smiled. Wat a difference !
You cheer and clap for autographs or pictures?

Being a star badminton player comes with some territories...Yes, these include signing autographs and posing for photographs. YES, they do owe the public to sign autographs and pose for photos. BUT, of course, there only so many autographs thay can sign and so many photos ops they can give. That is when they can politely decline and that is that.
IF these star badminton players feel that for whatever reasons, they are in a foul mood and that give them a right to be rude and not sign autographs or pose for photos.....then don't be a star badminton player...be a normal person playing marbles.

hehehehe... playing marbles. i can only imagine :D

i recall lin dan here in manila last year. he hardly smiled when people took pictures with him, not like the europeans who were all smiles then.

hehehehe... playing marbles. i can only imagine :D

i recall lin dan here in manila last year. he hardly smiled when people took pictures with him, not like the europeans who were all smiles then.

The Chinese badminton system currently teaches players to play badminton, not how to handle themselves in public. You will probably see in years to come, players who are more polished in their interpersonal skills. Badminton China will realise that impressions their players make outside the courts are important too and is a reflection of them. So instead of practicing 8 hours (or whatever) a day, they will only train for 7, with 1 hour reserved for PR skills. And it's a good thing

The Chinese badminton system currently teaches players to play badminton, not how to handle themselves in public. You will probably see in years to come, players who are more polished in their interpersonal skills. Badminton China will realise that impressions their players make outside the courts are important too and is a reflection of them. So instead of practicing 8 hours (or whatever) a day, they will only train for 7, with 1 hour reserved for PR skills. And it's a good thing

U must be connected to the China Badminton body to say this. Or are you saying this as a joke ?

U must be connected to the China Badminton body to say this. Or are you saying this as a joke ?
Haha, neither:D . Those who know me know I am the furthest thing from Badminton China but I may be a bit of a prankster ;)

I just think China Badminton is playing catch up in the area of preparing their players to handle themselves better for the media. I am hopeful they will eventually wisen up and teach these skills to their players. You have to realise most of their players have known nothing but badminton since they were put into the system. Badminton is an international game and as it grows, China's players will be scrutinized more and more by the media. If they are not ready to respond professionally, I'm afraid the media can infer (dare I say, manipulate?) things that can be quite damaging to China's image.

These are just my thoughts and it seems like the next logical step for Badminton China, if it's not already in the works.

Being a star badminton player comes with some territories...Yes, these include signing autographs and posing for photographs. YES, they do owe the public to sign autographs and pose for photos. BUT, of course, there only so many autographs thay can sign and so many photos ops they can give. That is when they can politely decline and that is that.
IF these star badminton players feel that for whatever reasons, they are in a foul mood and that give them a right to be rude and not sign autographs or pose for photos.....then don't be a star badminton player...be a normal person playing marbles.

Agree!!!!

ANyway, playing marbles was my favorite game during my childhood:D

Haha, neither:D . Those who know me know I am the furthest thing from Badminton China but I may be a bit of a prankster ;)


These are just my thoughts and it seems like the next logical step for Badminton China, if it's not already in the works.

Hahaha, you could have fooled me with your prank.

The Chinese badminton system currently teaches players to play badminton, not how to handle themselves in public. You will probably see in years to come, players who are more polished in their interpersonal skills. Badminton China will realise that impressions their players make outside the courts are important too and is a reflection of them. So instead of practicing 8 hours (or whatever) a day, they will only train for 7, with 1 hour reserved for PR skills. And it's a good thing

Actually, they train less than 7 hours and only 5 and a half days. In fact, if I didn't remember wrongly, the actual tough training moments are only about 3 hours while the other times are for other related stuff like maybe therapy, warm-ups, etc.

Is it possible that some of you are so pissed at him that you're making much bigger a deal than what it actually was? I thought it was time to move on.

Indeed. We are set on killing posts that serve no purpose but to continue this flame war. Your posts fit that description all too well.
That is just my opinion,i dont have any intention to continue the flame war.

Well, the chinese players ought to learn what sportsmanship is. Winning is not everything, there is always more than just a game. The first player I can think of is LD, whose bad behavior on the court stains this sport. I just worry he does more harm to badminton than good. Fortunately, we still have other stars like Taufik, Peter Gade, LCW, ...who help so much to promote this sport, sort of offset the damage that LD did.

Well, the chinese players ought to learn what sportsmanship is. Winning is not everything, there is always more than just a game. The first player I can think of is LD, whose bad behavior on the court stains this sport. I just worry he does more harm to badminton than good. Fortunately, we still have other stars like Taufik, Peter Gade, LCW, ...who help so much to promote this sport, sort of offset the damage that LD did.

Your one-dimensional viewpoint simply lack all substance. You simply have a very twisted perception of Chinese players based on too much unsubstantiated claims by people or incidents that may not be interpreted in the right way. What have the Chinese players ever done to you? Have any Chinese player ever been rude to you? Does any specific action justifies labeling Chinese players as rude? With the amount of Chinese players on the circuit, how many REAL incidents do you actually see happen? Let me guess, just Malaysia Open 2006? Would you appreciate if people were to label your entire family/organisation as bad people should you make a mistake?

Most importantly, what other activities of Lin Dan do you know about? You do not even know him at all. Do you have any kind of evidence that he did not help promote the sport? Do you have any statistics or figures to prove that he damaged the sport?

If you do not have any reasonable facts to back your claims, please refrain from making extremely naive, infantile and overly generalised statements against player(s) or their particular nationalities.

every player has their moments... Taufik and Peter and Lee Chong Wei have all had moments of frustration just as Lin Dan has.

how can somebody say that lin dan damages the badminton sport??? only because of his frustration in malaysia?? everybody has his ups and downs. also lin dan is just a human.

but there is no doubt that lin dan is a very particular player. a lot of people really love watching him!! his appearance on court (doing much show) even helps badminton i think ... not to mention his incredible fast game! badminton needs players like him!

Well, just to refresh everyone's mind, I remember seeing LD refuse to wear the warrior head on podium, I also remember seeing LD threw his racquet after losing to LCW....anyway, feel free to make long story to justify his bad behavior, it will not him better or change other's view point on him.

One thing you must note.LD is such an emotional tuning fork he's great on TV. We still need little boys for bonus entertainment value.In tennis,eg. Marat Safin 's antics are great to watch except his target has always been the umpire. I'm sure LD's spontaneous outburst at his loss to LCW wasn't intentional and he did not realise the hat was the host's gracious symbolic gesture honouring him as someone of substance.To indicate that it was so, he or China BA needs to apologise.I'm sure MO2006 organisers would be happy to accept.You don't lose face by apologising.You get your face back and restore goodwill. It takes a man to apologise; a boy would run away from it. At 23, LD needs to behave like a man when protocol requires it.
There's no need for IBF discipline. The apology is overdue. Nonetheless, even if LD lost some fans , he will have enough fans to give him vocal support wherever he plays. So pls, let's move on and not rake this up again.

Hey, cool down guys. Go take a ice tea or coffee or whatever. Lets smoke peace pipe together. :p

Since the topic also consist of "...Salute Denmark and England players", can someone post some of their experiences with the Danes and English players. Please, please, please and 100xpleases, post some positive experience.

Unfortunately, I am too old to walk to the players for autograph. I don't want any of them to call me uncle. :p So, I don't have any story to tell.

Hey, cool down guys. Go take a ice tea or coffee or whatever. Lets smoke peace pipe together. :p

Since the topic also consist of "...Salute Denmark and England players", can someone post some of their experiences with the Danes and English players. Please, please, please and 100xpleases, post some positive experience.

Unfortunately, I am too old to walk to the players for autograph. I don't want any of them to call me uncle. :p So, I don't have any story to tell.Actually Peter Gade is a quite polite player,not quite lar,he is really polite and gentleman.He won't simply throw his tantrum although he lose.:) But there are another player who really bad attitude,Kenneth Jonassan.I heard that he throw out some bad words when he lose.I do no whether is truth or not but he seem not too friendly.:rolleyes: Stop comment about LD,we should give him another chance, i think he really didn't mean to do it.Anyway,he is indeed a very good player.:)