Favorites and who will win at the 2006 Chinese Taipei Open..

[ctjcad]

OK folks, since the tournament hasn't start yet, just want to get you guys' opinion on who will win the 2006CTO??...:rolleyes:
badMania, willing to start and break the ice on this??..;) I know you will be posting your regular and comprehensive reviews on the upcoming matches...;)
BTW, when i checked the CTO link, which i think they did a very2 good job in providing a dual-language site, i noticed USA will send Howard B. and Bob M. along with Eric Go to compete..And is it true that the INA squad will not send that many players to compete, as i saw over 20 players in the list that are being sent..:rolleyes:

[badMania]

OK folks, since the tournament hasn't start yet, just want to get you guys' opinion on who will win the 2006CTO??...:rolleyes:
badMania, willing to start and break the ice on this??..;) I know you will be posting your regular and comprehensive reviews on the upcoming matches...;)
BTW, when i checked the CTO link, which i think they did a very2 good job in providing a dual-language site, i noticed USA will send Howard B. and Bob M. along with Eric Go to compete..And is it true that the INA squad will not send that many players to compete, as i saw over 20 players in the list that are being sent..:rolleyes:

Hahaha...I will do so tomorrow :p

Seems that ppl still can't get over the Sunday incident...amazing...I even see threads started by new members...

Come to think of it...MO is much more happening than either IO and SO...despite the lack of live updates.

[badMania]

Okay...let me start off with XD, since this is the only event Team Indonesia has a chance of winning.

QUARTER 1
Zhang Jun/Gao Ling (1)
Songphon Anukritayawon/Kunchala Vorawichitchaikul (5/8)
-- no problem for the top seed to go all the way to the semi-final. Meanwhile, Songphon/Kunchala have a tricky first round tie against Lee Yong Dae/Hwang Yu Mi.

QUARTER 2
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir (3/4)
Hendry Saputra Kurniawan/Li Yujia (5/8)
-- similarly, Nova/Butet shouldn't have a problem reaching the semi-final, where Zhang Jun/Gao Ling should await them. Saputra/Li should provide the quarter-final opposition, although the Singaporean have to beat Sun Junjie/Tian Qing in Round 1/16.

QUARTER 3
Koo Kien Keat/Wong Pei Tty (5/8)
Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam (3/4)
-- Sudket/Saralee have a smooth ride to the quarter-final, but no so for Koo/Wong. The Malaysian pair will meet the winner between Hwang Ji Man/Kim Min Jung and Tsai Chia-Hsin and Cheng Wen-Hsing in Round 1/16. Regardless of the opposition, Sudket/Saralee should qualify from this quarter.

QUARTER 4
Xu Chen/Yu Yang (5/8)
Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung (2)
-- both seeded pairs should meet in the quarter-final. Lee/Lee have been erratic lately, with losses to Nova/Butet and Anggun/Vita in the IO and MO. They should have a slight edge against the young Chinese pair.

So, the semi-finals should feature Zhang Jun/Gao Ling vs Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir and Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam vs Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung. It will be excellent if Nova/Butet can beat the reigning Olympic and All-England champion. They have not yet meet under the new scoring system and it should be a thriller! As for Sudket/Saralee vs Lee/Lee, I think the Thai pair can prevail.

My personal hope: Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam in the Final...with Nova/Butet winning yet again. It all however depends on whether they can beat Zhang Jun/Gao Ling in the semi-final!

[X Ball]

I don't watch the ladies play. So my comments will be centred on the men's doubles and singles.

MS : Absolutely a toss-up between the two MO FINALS players - with LCW having a slight edge over LD with his 8-pt recovery -- this is a morale booster for LCW, and with that, he should bring it home from now onwards.

MD : An open affair but the Malaysians should again impress with their skills. The confidence is riding high in the Malaysian camp and I can see Rexy instilling more into the players than anyone before him. So I predict a Malaysian pair to figure in this.

[Abby飘]

I think XD :Zhangjun/GaoLing,MS :ZhangNing ,WD:GaoLing/HuangSui
I am a worry about LinDan because he have done in MO2006.

[sshuang90]

My bet:
Chen Jin Champ.
LCW wouldn't enter final, neither LD.

[tehsham]

LD shud remain the favourite as World No. 1 but Chen Jin and LCW cud sneak in

[elwin81]

Can LCW be world #1 if he become the champion in 2006 CTO?
Where should LD go through to retain his world #1? Round 1/16?

[hara^kazuko]

I dunno about men singles.. Dont even know if LCW is going to play..

But Koo and Chan are playing so I land my best hope on them.. But I hope they will maintain being consistent after the win over Cai/Fu, not being sent out in qualifying round like in SO

[taufik-ist]

Okay...let me start off with XD, since this is the only event Team Indonesia has a chance of winning.

QUARTER 1
Zhang Jun/Gao Ling (1)
Songphon Anukritayawon/Kunchala Vorawichitchaikul (5/8)
-- no problem for the top seed to go all the way to the semi-final. Meanwhile, Songphon/Kunchala have a tricky first round tie against Lee Yong Dae/Hwang Yu Mi.

QUARTER 2
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir (3/4)
Hendry Saputra Kurniawan/Li Yujia (5/8)
-- similarly, Nova/Butet shouldn't have a problem reaching the semi-final, where Zhang Jun/Gao Ling should await them. Saputra/Li should provide the quarter-final opposition, although the Singaporean have to beat Sun Junjie/Tian Qing in Round 1/16.

QUARTER 3
Koo Kien Keat/Wong Pei Tty (5/8)
Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam (3/4)
-- Sudket/Saralee have a smooth ride to the quarter-final, but no so for Koo/Wong. The Malaysian pair will meet the winner between Hwang Ji Man/Kim Min Jung and Tsai Chia-Hsin and Cheng Wen-Hsing in Round 1/16. Regardless of the opposition, Sudket/Saralee should qualify from this quarter.

QUARTER 4
Xu Chen/Yu Yang (5/8)
Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung (2)
-- both seeded pairs should meet in the quarter-final. Lee/Lee have been erratic lately, with losses to Nova/Butet and Anggun/Vita in the IO and MO. They should have a slight edge against the young Chinese pair.

So, the semi-finals should feature Zhang Jun/Gao Ling vs Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir and Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam vs Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung. It will be excellent if Nova/Butet can beat the reigning Olympic and All-England champion. They have not yet meet under the new scoring system and it should be a thriller! As for Sudket/Saralee vs Lee/Lee, I think the Thai pair can prevail.

My personal hope: Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam in the Final...with Nova/Butet winning yet again. It all however depends on whether they can beat Zhang Jun/Gao Ling in the semi-final!

hey badmania,

alven/luluk, markis/kido are still in the player list
i heard they're not sent

[badMania]

hey badmania,

alven/luluk, markis/kido are still in the player list
i heard they're not sent

Look at the draws...they are not even inside the main draw.
Team Indonesia only sends Tommy, Nova/Butet and Lita/Vita.
In addition, Djarum sends Rian/Eng Hian.

BTW...Markis Kido is one person...not two :p

[taufik-ist]

Look at the draws...they are not even inside the main draw.
Team Indonesia only sends Tommy, Nova/Butet and Lita/Vita.
In addition, Djarum sends Rian/Eng Hian.

BTW...Markis Kido is one person...not two :p

DJARUM sends Rian/eng hian, and PBSI doesn't send any md :mad:, even flandy/sigit :confused:

'markis kido' sounds better than 'markis hendra' :D

[valen]

I only hope that Malaysia will take the risks and send more singles players..especially the younger ones for more exposure. Doesnot matter they lose or what...what's important is exposure. Hopefully it will produce more LCWs.

[floorfilla]

Look at the draws...they are not even inside the main draw.
Team Indonesia only sends Tommy, Nova/Butet and Lita/Vita.
In addition, Djarum sends Rian/Eng Hian.

BTW...Markis Kido is one person...not two :p

It seems like Tommy is participating in every leg of the Asian tour. Looks like having a powerful dad really helps.. This must be one of the conditions that Icuk Sugiarto demanded before Tommy rejoins PBSI..

[bluejeff]

There is a lot of wind in the gym that caused the shuttle to be long at the north side and short at the south. Players need to be aware of that so they don't make mistakes as people did today. :)

[xijiayu]

I wish younger MD pairs from MAS could surprise us with sparkling performance. For MS, I still think Chinese players especially CJ and LD will win, LCW doesn't have good records against them at overseas.

[EastDevil]

I only hope that Malaysia will take the risks and send more singles players..especially the younger ones for more exposure. Doesnot matter they lose or what...what's important is exposure. Hopefully it will produce more LCWs.

Players who go there just to gain exposure and experience would not be the right kind of players to be sent there as they are a waste of money. Players who go there should be determined to win and even if they eventually lose, they should have given their opponents the fight of their lives. Malaysia need to groom winners, not badminton tourists. I would believe BAM will evaluate which youngsters have the hunger and determination before sending them over and not just send a whole bunch of casual-spirited youngsters there to lose 21-0 or large margins and spend the rest of the tournament as cheerleaders or go shopping.

Look at the recent comments by Malaysia's chief coach regarding certain player not performing despite being send for tournaments. Its not about grooming youngsters but grooming hungry youngsters with the winning mentality. Precious funds are used to foot the bill and I don't think they intend to waste it.

[EastDevil]

I wish younger MD pairs from MAS could surprise us with sparkling performance. For MS, I still think Chinese players especially CJ and LD will win, LCW doesn't have good records against them at overseas.

Although my gut feeling is that LCW will not win, there's always a possibility. I also would not expect him to win again as there needs to be more patience regarding our expectations regarding LCW. There's still years in his career, its better that he collects titles bit by bit rather than expecting him to rush too much and burn out.

[ctjcad]

Players who go there just to gain exposure and experience would not be the right kind of players to be sent there as they are a waste of money. Players who go there should be determined to win and even if they eventually lose, they should have given their opponents the fight of their lives. Malaysia need to groom winners, not badminton tourists. I would believe BAM will evaluate which youngsters have the hunger and determination before sending them over and not just send a whole bunch of casual-spirited youngsters there to lose 21-0 or large margins and spend the rest of the tournament as cheerleaders or go shopping.

Look at the recent comments by Malaysia's chief coach regarding certain player not performing despite being send for tournaments. Its not about grooming youngsters but grooming hungry youngsters with the winning mentality. Precious funds are used to foot the bill and I don't think they intend to waste it.
EastDevil, i know you've touched on this topic before in another thread...hmm and seems like you have the same minset as PBSI also..hehe:rolleyes:
But personally, my feeling is that BAM is not sending their younger players to these tourney's for nothing. Heck, maybe they do have the funds to send them to play overseas(who knows??). Besides, even if they have the funds(which i'm sure they probably do), what are they going to do with it?? Just keep them and keep their younger players to train all the time??..
Besides, like what i've highlighted in bold above, how will they accomplish that?? Mind telling us the possibility??..:p :rolleyes:
My point is, you've got to give inexperienced players chances to prove themselves. Sure it might be *costly*, but isn't that what the sport organization's goal/risk that they know is/are when they recruit these players??..It's not always a case where they could be a Taufik or a Susy-Susanti or ZhangNing which comes along often..:rolleyes:
On that note, personally, i think BAM's situation(financially speaking) is most likely different than PBSI.

[EastDevil]

EastDevil, i know you've touched on this topic before in another thread...hmm and seems like you have the same minset as PBSI also..hehe:rolleyes:
But personally, my feeling is that BAM is not sending their younger players to these tourney's for nothing. Heck, maybe they do have the funds to send them to play overseas(who knows??). Besides, even if they have the funds(which i'm sure they probably do), what are they going to do with it?? Just keep them and keep their younger players to train all the time??..
Besides, like what i've highlighted in bold above, how will they accomplish that?? Mind telling us the possibility??..:p :rolleyes:
My point is, you've got to give inexperienced players chances to prove themselves. Sure it might be *costly*, but isn't that what the sport organization's goal/risk that they know is/are when they recruit these players??..It's not always a case where they could be a Taufik or a Susy-Susanti or ZhangNing which comes along often..:rolleyes:
On that note, personally, i think BAM's situation(financially speaking) is most likely different than PBSI.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying they don't have the money. It about the efficient use of the money, that's all.

Players with winning mentality, hunger and determination can easily be discovered during training sessions and local competitions. You do not need to go overseas to start showing winning mentality, etc.

As I have discussed with a friend before, if we give a bunch of youngsters 30 minutes to run on a 400m track, the lazy ones will run 1 round, the average ones will run enough to just pass and the hungry ones will run as many as they can possibly run. Imagine if out of your top 5 youngsters, the bottom 3 are the lazy or average ones who do not show the hunger, why would you want to waste money sending them to overseas tournaments since they are already not showing hunger and determination even during training? I believe BAM will look at that too and send only those that want to be winners.

This problem occurs in most places and is also faced by Singapore as well. Determined players will benefit from the tournaments as it will motivate them further, but others will simply treat it as a holiday.

[X Ball]

Players with winning mentality, hunger and determination can easily be discovered during training sessions and local competitions. You do not need to go overseas to start showing winning mentality, etc.

This problem occurs in most places and is also faced by Singapore as well. Determined players will benefit from the tournaments as it will motivate them further, but others will simply treat it as a holiday.

EastDevil, I agree and disagree. Yes, it may be a waste of money to send them (that is the agreement bit).

Now this is the part where I disagree with you. When they are sent overseas, they are also put under some pressure because they know if they do not show an inkling of capability they may not get the chance again. And this is not false statement.

Also you got to remember some of the players may also be sent for a purpose e.g. to be sparring partners for other teams members (e.g. in the TC, results of course is a different issue).

In the scheme of things, Malaysia, despite sending players who may seem not to perform, are actually getting results. The examples of the doubles (and so many young ones coming) would make Singaporeans 'drool' and wished that they have the same - perhaps you ought to change your mindset of yours. ;)

[EastDevil]

EastDevil, I agree and disagree. Yes, it may be a waste of money to send them (that is the agreement bit).

Now this is the part where I disagree with you. When they are sent overseas, they are also put under some pressure because they know if they do not show an inkling of capability they may not get the chance again. And this is not false statement.

Also you got to remember some of the players may also be sent for a purpose e.g. to be sparring partners for other teams members (e.g. in the TC, results of course is a different issue).

In the scheme of things, Malaysia, despite sending players who may seem not to perform, are actually getting results. The examples of the doubles (and so many young ones coming) would make Singaporeans 'drool' and wished that they have the same - perhaps you ought to change your mindset of yours. ;)

I believe in my mindset and not yours.

This sending-sparring-partners-overseas thing simply do not make sense. During the 5 days of an overseas tournament, its kind of silly to bring along your own "threadmill"? And I do not believe that idea of yours is related to malaysia's performance. Malaysia inherently has good players and some would be very motivated players, but sending players to tournaments along with their sparring partners just do not make sense unless their sparring partners are worthy competitors as well. Sending them along just to be utilized for warm-ups is just too funny.

[jasonmarc]

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying they don't have the money. It about the efficient use of the money, that's all.

Players with winning mentality, hunger and determination can easily be discovered during training sessions and local competitions. You do not need to go overseas to start showing winning mentality, etc.

As I have discussed with a friend before, if we give a bunch of youngsters 30 minutes to run on a 400m track, the lazy ones will run 1 round, the average ones will run enough to just pass and the hungry ones will run as many as they can possibly run. Imagine if out of your top 5 youngsters, the bottom 3 are the lazy or average ones who do not show the hunger, why would you want to waste money sending them to overseas tournaments since they are already not showing hunger and determination even during training? I believe BAM will look at that too and send only those that want to be winners.

This problem occurs in most places and is also faced by Singapore as well. Determined players will benefit from the tournaments as it will motivate them further, but others will simply treat it as a holiday.

Agree, i personal think that these young players should be sent to those satelite tournaments first, if they could win consistantly then, starts some 1 to 2 star tournament, if they progress well by winning some of them, then only proceed to 4 - 6 stars taournament and so on.... so those young players will know what they should achieve in certain period of time, as for those who did not show progress...sayonara...out they go..

[X Ball]

I believe in my mindset and not yours.

This sending-sparring-partners-overseas thing simply do not make sense. During the 5 days of an overseas tournament, its kind of silly to bring along your own "threadmill"? And I do not believe that idea of yours is related to malaysia's performance. Malaysia inherently has good players and some would be very motivated players, but sending players to tournaments along with their sparring partners just do not make sense unless their sparring partners are worthy competitors as well. Sending them along just to be utilized for warm-ups is just too funny.

No it is not funny if you are serious as the Malaysians who want to win desperately. Of course, to the Singaporeans it would look funny because you have never been in that position that you need to win at all costs.

Anyway, spare me your rebuttals because we are at difference here.:mad: :p

[EastDevil]

Agree, i personal think that these young players should be sent to those satelite tournaments first, if they could win consistantly then, starts some 1 to 2 star tournament, if they progress well by winning some of them, then only proceed to 4 - 6 stars taournament and so on.... so those young players will know what they should achieve in certain period of time, as for those who did not show progress...sayonara...out they go..

There's one big problem with the sayonara bit... what if those not-so-good ones are the best you have got? Like what I mentioned, out of 5 best, only 2 are potential champions and the other 3 are not so good. But what if that 3 are already the best in the country besides the top 2? Kicking the 3 out simply leaves 3 empty spaces.

Lee Chong Weis are hard to find. I think BAM would be hoping that there's a bunch of LCWs squatting around somewhere in the streets waiting for BAM to hand them a badminton bag and pack them onto the plane. :D

[EastDevil]

No it is not funny if you are serious as the Malaysians who want to win desperately. Of course, to the Singaporeans it would look funny because you have never been in that position that you need to win at all costs.

Anyway, spare me your rebuttals because we are at difference here.:mad: :p

Actually, I am at no difference if what you said really happens. Even though I do not quite see the sense of it, but if they really do that then I hope it really works for them. :(

[Jessica]

I dunno about men singles.. Dont even know if LCW is going to play..

But Koo and Chan are playing so I land my best hope on them.. But I hope they will maintain being consistent after the win over Cai/Fu, not being sent out in qualifying round like in SOWell, you are always their first number supporter.Ha........ha.....same like me.I hope them can do well like MO and beat Cai/Fu again.Let us give blessing to them and prove that Malaysia reallyBOLEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[X Ball]

Looking at the draw and the players, this could very well turn out to be another LIN DAN and LCW Finals (with LD winning the upper half of the draw and LCW wining the bottom half and then both meeting).

LCW's biggest competition in his half will be Boonsak and then Chen Hong (both I think can only test but not win against an-inform LCW).

I hope they don't give away medals and warrior hats coz we-know-who might not take them if he loses.:rolleyes: Alright, alright, it is not that bad KWUN.

[takumi007]

I hope LCW will do his best in chinese taipei open and not to be satisfied with just a win over LD in MO. Since he can beat LD in MO, Why not in Thomas cup?

[luyi80]

Well, well, i put my whole heart to Msia team, wish each n everyone of them a big GOOD LUCK!!! Prove that u r not "Jaguh Kampung", Malaysia Go Go Go!

[valen]

Players who go there just to gain exposure and experience would not be the right kind of players to be sent there as they are a waste of money. Players who go there should be determined to win and even if they eventually lose, they should have given their opponents the fight of their lives. Malaysia need to groom winners, not badminton tourists. I would believe BAM will evaluate which youngsters have the hunger and determination before sending them over and not just send a whole bunch of casual-spirited youngsters there to lose 21-0 or large margins and spend the rest of the tournament as cheerleaders or go shopping.

Look at the recent comments by Malaysia's chief coach regarding certain player not performing despite being send for tournaments. Its not about grooming youngsters but grooming hungry youngsters with the winning mentality. Precious funds are used to foot the bill and I don't think they intend to waste it.

What you've wrote goes without saying. Of course, you dont just send any tom, dick and harry to tournaments. BAM is not that stupid. They normally send people they think has potential, but then sometimes you donot know their true potential until you sent them to play often in high level-tournaments. Like what jasonmar said...start with 2 or 3 star tournaments. You cannot truely assess a person's star potential by seeing him play at home only. Say you have 10 potential ones at home. Out of 10, you want to see who has potential in international tournamts. So, it is good to give these 10 some international exposure. Then only we will know who among the 10 are the better ones. What I am saying is some exposure to 2nd tier players is good over a period of time.

[ksooi]

Hahahahaha....ths is one topic tht go on and on......with rgds to BAM, money is not an issue coz it is the taxpayers that are footing the bill....I have mentioned befiore in another thread, 'politics' play a huge part in BAM.......if memory serves me correctly, Tan Yee Khan has criticised BAM before in a local paper that BAM should send more juniors out for more international tournaments for exposure......if you look at the current doubles setup in Malaysia, have any of you noticed that it is only since Rexy took over as dbls coach that a lot of the backup pairs are competing in tournaments...before they were only competing in satelites which some of you mentioned were deemed suitable for juniors......Malaysia has produced lots of good junior players but unfrotunately they are not exposed like the Chinese.....look at Chen Jin....world junior champion and a player to watch in the future....wht abt malaysia? We have the World Junior Mens Doubles Pair in Tan Boon Heong/Hoon Thien How but we keep them under wraps......

BAM only send players that are able to win in tournaments......but how many of those players does Malaysia have? and definitely they are not born and suddenly groom and expect to be put at the worldstage and win tournaments....how many Taufik's are there in this world?


Look at our singles setup now.....how many of the senionr are not performing....yet they are sent for tournaments...why not sent the juniors instead?......ppl like LTS, JC, YKB ,KY are passed their peak...its time the juniors are given a break.....

thts my 2 cents

[hara^kazuko]

What you've wrote goes without saying. Of course, you dont just send any tom, dick and harry to tournaments. BAM is not that stupid. They normally send people they think has potential, but then sometimes you donot know their true potential until you sent them to play often in high level-tournaments. Like what jasonmar said...start with 2 or 3 star tournaments. You cannot truely assess a person's star potential by seeing him play at home only. Say you have 10 potential ones at home. Out of 10, you want to see who has potential in international tournamts. So, it is good to give these 10 some international exposure. Then only we will know who among the 10 are the better ones. What I am saying is some exposure to 2nd tier players is good over a period of time.

Im absolutely agreed with you... Sometimes you cant just look at someone and knowing that he has great potential to move on...