If you like me monitored the world ranking each week :D, you probably found lots and lots of suprise in this week new ranking.

How come Lin Dan who just runner up in Malaysia Open 2006 tumbling from rank 1 to 3? Or Peter Gade who only reach QF of the same tournament, jump from number 3 to 1 pass Lee Chong Wei who is the champion there?

Or how come Xu Huai Wen who even didn't enter MO2006 become the new rank 1 meanwhile the champion MO 2006 Zhang Ning tumble to no 2?

Don't panic its just new world ranking system from IBF.

The old ranking system is like this:

Example: Nova/Butet from Mix D.

They are the champion of Indonesia Open 2005 , 25-9-2005 and had 5400 points.
This year 4-6-2006 In Indonesia Open they are the finalist with 4590 points.

In Old ranking, Nova/Butet will had 9990 points from this 2 events although the new Indonesia Open 2006 points already in their ranking. The 2005 IO points will be erase after one year from the tournamnet which is 25-9-2006. About 3 months from now.

With this dobel points from the same tournaments but differennce year, Nova/ Butet who didn't enter lots of tournamnets can mantain their number 1 ranking.

But thenew ranking, it will erased the 2005 tournamnet points after the same tournamnet been played in 2006 , regardless if that 2005 tournament are over one year or not.

Thats why NOva/Butet tumbling to number 4 after get cut from Indonesia Open 2005 points.

So the point of this new ranking is IBF encouraged all the players to enter as many tournamnets as possible in one year. And not only enter 8-9 events a year and used the tournaments dates to gain extra points.

With the new ranking, China, Indonesia and Malaysian players suffered the most cause most of the players only enter 7-9 events a year.

Lots of them stumble from their rankings after Indonesia Open 2005, Singapore Open 2005, Malaysia Open 2005. China Master 2005 points been erased although the events is not one year yet.

Meanwhile most of the European players gain from this new ranking cause they enter 10-12 or more events a year.

Like Peter Gade who reach number one rank in MS and also Xu Huai Wen rank 1 in WS despite she never won any title except European Championship this year. But she enter more than 10 events in one year, meanwhile Zhang Ning only 8 tournaments.

Another example:

So in order to complete 10 events this year, Nova/Butet had to play 5 more tournaments this year. If Nova/Butet still wanted to hold on in the top 3 positions.

2006 only had 9 more tournaments including the 3* and 2* events.

i dont like this new system. world rankings should be based on the number or tournaments you win or how far you get in a tournament, not based on how many tournaments you enter.
does this mean that some player no one ever heard has a possibility of becoming world number 1 if he goes to every single possible tournament?

1) I think its very strange to change the ranking mid-year...

2) It seems like to many points are awarded for results in medium (or not the major) tournaments missing many top-ten-players.

Once again it seems IBF is having a clouded intellect?!?!?

/Twobeer

watheck?! Lin Dan have been #1 for about 3 year in a row now, what a wonderful recorded to be ruined. This will be a whole different ballgame when it comes to time to accumulate points for the olympics. This is a good way of forcing out the top players in the world - ie. the Taufik in hiding, to play more often. I suppose we badminton fans will be treated with more high calibur matches this way. Hope the top players in the world come to Canada or US Open haha

Apparently designed to cause a lot of surprise results in coming World Champs.

Really have to be good to fight to the finals and not just depending on good draws and seedings.

Plus a dangerous 21 point system.

Surprise results? Unpredictable? Good or bad?.

Apparently designed to cause a lot of surprise results in coming World Champs.

Really have to be good to fight to the finals and not just depending on good draws and seedings.

Plus a dangerous 21 point system.

Surprise results? Unpredictable? Good or bad?.

Well my only gripe is really that I think the world ranking should...at least try to.. reflect the skill ranking and that the number #1 player are the "best" player not the most ambitious top-ten player :(

Taufik being #24 in the world... hmmm... that's just not right. I am not a big fan of his, but people new to professional badminton must be confused by the so-called ranking system so bad.

I know Peter Gade is good and he is my favorite, but honestly he should be top 2 or 3, not first.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that Tennis' ranking system seems to be able provide the fans a better understanding of which player is better by looking at their ranking despite their form during the match.

i dont like this new system. world rankings should be based on the number or tournaments you win or how far you get in a tournament, not based on how many tournaments you enter.
does this mean that some player no one ever heard has a possibility of becoming world number 1 if he goes to every single possible tournament?

To be honest, that's how some Canadian players actually make it to the top 100 in the world ranking these days. Have you ever seen them in 4, 5, or 6 stars tournaments??? like never, yet one of them used to be rank around 20-30 I believe.

I strongly agree with all the posts above.
The new ranking system does not actually reflect the best players. The old ranking system at least gives very clear idea who is the best in the world.

watheck?! Lin Dan have been #1 for about 3 year in a row now, what a wonderful recorded to be ruined. This will be a whole different ballgame when it comes to time to accumulate points for the olympics. This is a good way of forcing out the top players in the world - ie. the Taufik in hiding, to play more often. I suppose we badminton fans will be treated with more high calibur matches this way. Hope the top players in the world come to Canada or US Open haha

hahaha, that might be the only positive coming out of this new system. :D

Let me put this poser to you: How would you encourage the top players to play in more tournaments if all they need to do is play in say 9-10 tournaments a year only?

As a badminton fan... lets say in a country without a 5 star and above tournament. Wouldn't you like to see a 5 star tournament hosted in your country so that you can watch the top players live?

And let's say your country manages to get sponsors for a 5-star event but the top players don't come, what will the sponsors think? They may well withdraw or reduce funding to say 1 or 2 star status.

wait a minute. is everyone jumping into conclusion too quickly?

the new changes doesn't mean more tournaments leads to higher ranking. the new system only means that if the same tournament in two consecutive years are less than 12 months apart, the players don't get to keep the points for 12 months.

but notice, it works vice versa, no? if the same tournament in two consecutive years are more than 12 months apart, they get to keep the points for more than 12 months.

it just happens that there are more tournament date shuffling in 2006 as the TC/UC and WC are going on in the same year, that's why some points get discounted.

imho, this does make ranking more unpredictable, but it does not mean more tournaments -> higher rankings. at least not any worse than the old ranking computation.

Interesting...confusing with NSS and now ranking issue, what's next? Let's hope we don't see Kooguy on #1 :D

New system? I think it's meaningless if a certain tournament is fixed (eg. AE) every year. This system just makes, maybe, a certeain tournament more fixed than before.

kwun is right. Most of you are jumping to conclusions. The new system is just a slight tweak to the old one.

That said, I still prefer the old one. I think that what counts is your performance in the last 52 weeks, and should have nothing to do with locale.

Another thing that rankles is why IBF did not announce this to the public earlier. Even now, after the system is already in place, there is no announcement and documentation. It is just dumped on us.

I hope at least that the national badminton associations were informed earlier.

To put it in a nutsell,

Old system: Performance* in the last 52 weeks, period.

New system: Performance* in the last set of tournaments. (Can someone else put this more eloquently? Some lawyer? Eastdevil? :))

* Only best 10 tournaments (can include maximum of one team tournament only)

What has the new system got to do with the CTO?

If Lee CW gets into the semifinals (ie. if he wins today), he will be the No 1 next week.

Peter Gade is not around so he can't do anything about it. And LCW only has 9 tournaments to his ranking (and equally important, last year's CTO is not there), so any points gathered here will just be simply added.

Lin Dan has 8 tournaments to his ranking only. But even if he wins the Open, he still would not have enough to overtake LCW (if Lee gets into semis that is). If Lin wins the CTO title, and LCW loses today, then Lin becomes the No 1 next week.

Zhang Ning will also get back her No 1 ranking next week, once the CTO 2006 points are added.

Taufik at no 24?? what a joke!

i dont like this new system. world rankings should be based on the number or tournaments you win or how far you get in a tournament, not based on how many tournaments you enter.
does this mean that some player no one ever heard has a possibility of becoming world number 1 if he goes to every single possible tournament?

Huh? What's you talking about? A player nobody ever heard of will not be able to become number 1 as that player would not advance far anyway.

This ranking is still based on number of tournaments won or advanced. You either enter less tournaments but win more or enter more tournaments if you didn't win all the time. This system is definitely better than the old one.

Taufik at no 24?? what a joke!

Only 4 tournaments, no 24 is pretty good.

Taufik at no 24?? what a joke!

He won a 6-star tournament recently, you know?

I would say that the new ranking now favors the Malaysian pairs (in MD). Rexy has his wishes fulfilled when all his pairs are in the top 8, with CCM/KKK and Mohd Tazari/Lin in no 3 and 4 respectively.

Indonesian pairs are now put at a disadvantage because only Luluk/Alvent are in the top 8 and Kido/Hendra are now out of the top 25. It's even more surprising to see that Hendra/Joko is now ranked above Kido/Hendra at no 23. I think PBSI will still send Luluk/Alvent to the WC, but unsure about Kido/Hendra or Hendra/Joko. They might send Flandy/Sigit to the 4 remaining tournaments before the WC to boost up their rankings to the top 20 (if it's not too late).

As for MS, none of the singles are in the top 10, with Taufik at no 24, Simon at no 33, and Sony at no 41 :eek: . Definitely bad news and I don't think Taufik will even be in the top 8 seeds by the time WC comes.

As for XD, don't worry...Nova/Butet will once again be ranked no 1 if they win today. This bodes well for the World Championship, where I believe they will be either the no 1 or no 2 seed. They are also the only pair (other than Luluk/Alvent) that is guaranteed to be sent by PSBI to the WC this year.

i also saw the news the sina.
But the china international website hasn't announce yet.

Whew!!! what happen, i check out internationalbadminton.org (http://worldbadminton.net) and i saw that lin dan was the no. 3 in the world!!! he captured the top spot in the last March of 2004 but what happen??? :crying: huh??/ Peter Gade make it again! even taufik hidayat! hes only world no. 24 now!!!!!!! if possible, maybe im wrong or the website!!! xie xing fang was only on the 5th and the newest world no. 1 is Xu Huaiwen!!!!! huh!!! but the good thing is that, Asuncions made it back again to the no. 22!!!!!!! Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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how come taufik become world no. 24 though he won the indonesia open,a 6* tournament??? i was really surprise by the rankings, really really surprise!!!!!!!!!! i couldnt imagine it!!!!

I would say that the new ranking now favors the Malaysian pairs (in MD). Rexy has his wishes fulfilled when all his pairs are in the top 8, with CCM/KKK and Mohd Tazari/Lin in no 3 and 4 respectively.

Indonesian pairs are now put at a disadvantage because only Luluk/Alvent are in the top 8 and Kido/Hendra are now out of the top 25. It's even more surprising to see that Hendra/Joko is now ranked above Kido/Hendra at no 23. I think PBSI will still send Luluk/Alvent to the WC, but unsure about Kido/Hendra or Hendra/Joko. They might send Flandy/Sigit to the 4 remaining tournaments before the WC to boost up their rankings to the top 20 (if it's not too late).

As for MS, none of the singles are in the top 10, with Taufik at no 24, Simon at no 33, and Sony at no 41 :eek: . Definitely bad news and I don't think Taufik will even be in the top 8 seeds by the time WC comes.

As for XD, don't worry...Nova/Butet will once again be ranked no 1 if they win today. This bodes well for the World Championship, where I believe they will be either the no 1 or no 2 seed. They are also the only pair (other than Luluk/Alvent) that is guaranteed to be sent by PSBI to the WC this year.

Correction: KKK/CCM is no. 2 now :D :D :D

how come taufik become world no. 24 though he won the indonesia open,a 6* tournament??? i was really surprise by the rankings, really really surprise!!!!!!!!!! i couldnt imagine it!!!!

did you even try to *understand* how the ranking system work before you ask this question? if you had gone through and try to understand it, it will be all clear.

Correction: KKK/CCM is no. 2 now :D :D :D
world ranking no.2?:eek: :eek: wow, that's great..

Unbelieveable!This new WR system doesn't represent shuttler's quality.How come PG and XHW get the title world number one?Because both of them participated in a lot of bdm tourney compare than others although totally they didn't book impressive achievements in last 12 months.Negative impact for TH that dumped at no.24, he only compete in few tourneys so far (the new system doesn't care about TH's title WorldChamp' and OGMedalist).Bad news for INA's shuttlers whose rare to join many tourneys because PBSI's reward and punishment system plus fund limitation.Basically, world rank affect to(--) seeding--drawing--result and finally result affect to world rank...this is a chain reaction!Like or dislike bdm-fans must accept it...

Unbelieveable!This new WR system doesn't represent shuttler's quality.How come PG and XHW get the title world number one?Because both of them participated in a lot of bdm tourney compare than others although totally they didn't book impressive achievements in last 12 months.Negative impact for TH that dumped at no.24, he only compete in few tourneys so far (the new system doesn't care about TH's title WorldChamp' and OGMedalist).Bad news for INA's shuttlers whose rare to join many tourneys because PBSI's reward and punishment system plus fund limitation.Basically, world rank affect to(--) seeding--drawing--result and finally result affect to world rank...this is a chain reaction!Like or dislike bdm-fans must accept it...

not true. i don't think that can be blamed on the new ranking system. the same can happen in the prior system as well. in the old system, if you only participate in 4 tournaments, you will be ranked lower. the magic number is 8. this is the same for the new system.

so if one don't participate enough tournaments and you get a low ranking, there is no one else to blame.

In fact, this new system will urge the better players like TH to take part in more tournaments.

In fact, this new system will urge the better players like TH to take part in more tournaments.

the same is true for the old system.

In fact, this new system will urge the better players like TH to take part in more tournaments.

TH does'nt 'pursue' ranking, he's just interesting with a pretigous tournament title,

the only impact to taufik is he will meet a top ranking player in early round, or he may play in qualifying round :D

so if one don't participate enough tournaments and you get a low ranking, there is no one else to blame.

aah well put! so anyone who wants to compete in WC must put their effort into it (including TH)..

aah well put! so anyone who wants to compete in WC must put their effort into it (including TH)..
taufik ranking will be in 50 or above in next WC :eek:, indonesia can only send 2 player :o becos none are in top ten, PSBI must send sony and taufik, its too bad for simon

wake up PBSI,
send your players to many tournament, find some sponsors :mad:

mind telling me where u got this info?

thx in advance

If you like me monitored the world ranking each week :D, you probably found lots and lots of suprise in this week new ranking.

How come Lin Dan who just runner up in Malaysia Open 2006 tumbling from rank 1 to 3? Or Peter Gade who only reach QF of the same tournament, jump from number 3 to 1 pass Lee Chong Wei who is the champion there?

Or how come Xu Huai Wen who even didn't enter MO2006 become the new rank 1 meanwhile the champion MO 2006 Zhang Ning tumble to no 2?

Don't panic its just new world ranking system from IBF.

The old ranking system is like this:

Example: Nova/Butet from Mix D.

They are the champion of Indonesia Open 2005 , 25-9-2005 and had 5400 points.
This year 4-6-2006 In Indonesia Open they are the finalist with 4590 points.

In Old ranking, Nova/Butet will had 9990 points from this 2 events although the new Indonesia Open 2006 points already in their ranking. The 2005 IO points will be erase after one year from the tournamnet which is 25-9-2006. About 3 months from now.

With this dobel points from the same tournaments but differennce year, Nova/ Butet who didn't enter lots of tournamnets can mantain their number 1 ranking.

But thenew ranking, it will erased the 2005 tournamnet points after the same tournamnet been played in 2006 , regardless if that 2005 tournament are over one year or not.

Thats why NOva/Butet tumbling to number 4 after get cut from Indonesia Open 2005 points.

So the point of this new ranking is IBF encouraged all the players to enter as many tournamnets as possible in one year. And not only enter 8-9 events a year and used the tournaments dates to gain extra points.Still not understand,can you tell in a simple way?You means that the points are being counted for two times?How the new ranking system differ from the old one?:confused: :confused:

I remembered many years ago (20 yrs??) the point system was flaw as well. During that time Chinese players were the best but they did not play in many tournament to earn enough points to qualify the Grand Prix final... So the Grand Prix final was not exciting at all because only the second rated players who earn enough points were there.:mad:

Just think about it, do we like to see best players at WC or only players who has enough points to be there?

Points earned for an IBF Grand Prix tournament or an A/B class tournament are deleted when the same tournament is played in the following year or the latest after a period of 12 months. If a touemanent is held at the same time every year, the points of this tournament will be keeping one year.

I remembered many years ago (20 yrs??) the point system was flaw as well. During that time Chinese players were the best but they did not play in many tournament to earn enough points to qualify the Grand Prix final... So the Grand Prix final was not exciting at all because only the second rated players who earn enough points were there.:mad:

Just think about it, do we like to see best players at WC or only players who has enough points to be there?

If you don't use ranking points, then how else would you decide who the top players are? Please tell us. Don't just say that A is more skillful than B, so A deserves it. If half the people say A is better and the other half say B is better, then what???

It is easy to say that Player A deserves No 1 or Player B don't deserve top 10, but we won't get anywhere if people keep saying that. Don't just say the ranking system is flawed. Suggest something. For instance:
a. More points should be given for 6* and 7* tournaments.
b. (My personal suggestion) Quality points should be given for winning every match. The higher-ranked the opponent, the higher the points. This ensures higher points for doing well in tournaments that have higher-ranked players.

I think the new ranking system favors those who are in the below 50 in the rankings.. and i think that's a nice decision.. they should not only look at those in the 50 above rankers..

I think the new ranking system favors those who are in the below 50 in the rankings.. and i think that's a nice decision.. they should not only look at those in the 50 above rankers..

Actually, it does not favour anyone in particular. It's just a matter of circumstances that suddenly change a lot of things drastically from one week to another.

I still prefer the good old "52-week" ranking system.

Let's say Taufik and Lin Dan are figting neck-to-neck for the No 1 spot (assume that it matters); the points are really close. Given the extreme case of Japan Open (6-star) held in December, and the next one held in January, the December one means almost nothing to the rankings (one or two months at the most), while the January one means a whole lot. If Taufik wins the Dec event and Lin wins the Jan event, both should be equally rewarded (in terms of ranking) but Taufik will feel hard done by.