greatest badminton rivalry of all time

[WestDemon]

let us dis-regard the pre 1970s era bcos badminton community was small den.
and just focus on men singles n doubles. this is where the best badminton is played (no offense to the ladies and the mixed)

criteria must be
a) both competitors must be recognized as more than one class higher than de rest of the field.
b) matches are exciting, unpredictable, hard fought n memorable.
c) contrasting styles of play is desired, but same oso is OK.
d) must be retired and no more competitive play.


MENS SINGLES
- Yang Yang vs Morten Frost

MENS DOUBLES
- Park JB/Kim MS vs Li YB/Tian Bingyi

[thiery]

Interesting question.

Men's Single:
- Paul Hoyer Eric Loursen vs Don Jiong
(One of them staged the most amazing comeback. Cant remember which one. Too old. One was trailing 14-3 but managed to chase and win the game at 17-14)

Men's Double
- Rexy/Ricky vs Cheah Soon Kit/Beng Kiang
(Not really sure about the exact name of Cheah Soon Kit's partner)

[WestDemon]

Interesting question.

Men's Single:
- Paul Hoyer Eric Loursen vs Don Jiong
(One of them staged the most amazing comeback. Cant remember which one. Too old. One was trailing 14-3 but managed to chase and win the game at 17-14)

Men's Double
- Rexy/Ricky vs Cheah Soon Kit/Beng Kiang
(Not really sure about the exact name of Cheah Soon Kit's partner) let's not confuse this topic wt 'great' matches. this is more of a constant rivalry.

[seawell]

ms

Men's Single:
- Paul Hoyer Eric Loursen vs Don Jiong

[taufik-ist]

i guess
Rexy/Ricky vs Cheah Soon Kit/Beng Kiang match is the best 90's match ever,

the mas pair had 2 match points ( 2nd and 3rd sets) but they couldn't finish it and lost badly to ricky/rexy

[badmad]

Wong Choon Hann - Xia Xuan Ze...

around 02-04, i guess they were considered rivals...

[blckknght]

I see no need to disregard the ladies.

Ricky Subagja/Rexy Maineky and Cheah Soon Kit/Yap Kim Hock, Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo and Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi

Kim Dong Moon/Ra Kyeung Min and Zhang Jun/Gao Ling (Nowdays it looks to be Robertson and Emms who are Zhang and Gao's rivals)

Zhang Ning and Mia Audina, Camilla Martin and the chinese ladies squad in general

Peter Gade and Lin Dan, Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan

[jamesd20]

I think firstly you must define what a "great" rivalry is.

Lets say Two opponents who are 1)at the very top level of their discipline, and 2)are very evenly matched.

Xia/Wong would fail on point 2)

Jonassen/Boonsak (always have great games) fail on point 1) (as would probably many rivalries throughout the game.


I would say that currently there are no "great" rivalries. Lin Vs LCW may develop into one. Taufik/Lin is a non starter, since In all Important clashes Taufik has won. Zhang Ning Vs Mia is too one sided in Zhangs favour. On the whole though, modern confrontations are the usuals Whoisitc country vs Country affairs, not individuals as present.

Previousley we have had Kim Dong Moon Vs Tony Gunawan Kim/Ra vs Zhang/Gao was a good one. Yang Yang Vs Zhao was also good. Gong Zi Chao Vs Susi? Choong/Lee Vs Eriksen/Luundgaard.

Anyone else?

[cooler]

let us dis-regard the pre 1970s era bcos badminton community was small den.
and just focus on men singles n doubles. this is where the best badminton is played (no offense to the ladies and the mixed)

criteria must be
a) both competitors must be recognized as more than one class higher than de rest of the field.
b) matches are exciting, unpredictable, hard fought n memorable.
c) contrasting styles of play is desired, but same oso is OK.
d) must be retired and no more competitive play.


MENS SINGLES
- Yang Yang vs Morten Frost

MENS DOUBLES
- Park JB/Kim MS vs Li YB/Tian Bingyi

too bad u ignored the ladies catergory.
the term 'cat fight' came from them:D

[jerby]

I don't really know anythign about ancient badmiton (sorry:o couldn't resist) ehm I mean earlier badminton....

but nowadayw it really isn't a 1vs1 rivalry...LD,PG and TH are all close to ecah other, with LCW, BCL, Chen Jin, LHI (? the korean bloke?) about to join the ranks...I'd say, especially under the new scoring, the entire top 15 is close/very close....

[chickenpoodle]

how about sun jun vs peter rasmussen?

[kwun]

again to be precise, we should differentiate between:

1) a good rivalry
2) one single closely fought match.

Sun Jun vs. P. Rasmussen, as well as PEHL vs. Dong Jiong will fall into the 2nd category.

a rivalry is a series of closely fought matches over a significant period of time. more interesting if they are closely watched by fans which adds to the excitement and significance.

[Qidong]

Men Single:

Han Jian - Liem Swie King
Sun Jun - Peter Gade


Woman Single:

Susi Susanti - Bang Soo Hyun - Ye Zhaoying
Li Ling Wei - Han Aiping
Camilla Martin - Chinese Great Wall

[blckknght]

I think Peter Gade and Lin Dan fall under the criteria of many closely contested matches over a fairly long period of time. Taufik and Lin Dan have said things about eachother in the press. ie, taufik saying lin dan had better watch out in Madrid, etc and so on. pre game chatter:-)

[maa2003]

let us dis-regard the pre 1970s era bcos badminton community was small den.
and just focus on men singles n doubles. this is where the best badminton is played (no offense to the ladies and the mixed)
criteria must be
a) both competitors must be recognized as more than one class higher than de rest of the field.
b) matches are exciting, unpredictable, hard fought n memorable.
c) contrasting styles of play is desired, but same oso is OK.
d) must be retired and no more competitive play.

MENS SINGLES
- Yang Yang vs Morten Frost
MENS DOUBLES
- Park JB/Kim MS vs Li YB/Tian Bingyi

what about the triangle :
MS : Yang Yang - Icuk Sugiarto - Morten Frost Hansen
WS : Bang SY - Ye ZY - Susi Susanti
MD : Park JB/Kim MS - Li YB/Tian BY - Eddy Hartono/Gunawan

Icuk always lost to Yang Yang,
Yang Yang always lost to Morten
Morten always lost to Icuk
No maths at all.

[maa2003]

how come I forget : Zhang Ning - Mia Audina ........
probably the longest ever one since May 1994 till nowadays 2006, 12 years over.

[kwun]

how come I forget : Zhang Ning - Mia Audina ........
probably the longest ever one since May 1994 till nowadays 2006, 12 years over.

hardly the "greatest" though.

Zhang Ning hasn't been at the top of her class for many years, shadowed by Susi, Ye Zhaoying, Gong Zhichao, and then Gong Ruina. she somehow woken up in 2002 and end up in the top.

Mia similarly, never managed to get pass the above listed players. and then only start to rise after she settled in The Netherlands.

a good rivalry might be the trio of Susi / Ye and Gong, actually. Susi seems to be able to beat Ye more, Ye beats Gong more, and Gong beats Susi more. how interesting is that??

[maa2003]

yup ........ you are rite at all.

I only see between Mia Audina & Zhang Ning .... their rivalry only.

and as like what Indonesia people said "Makin Tua Makin Jadi" .... "getting older, getting better" ........ in reverse from others.



hardly the "greatest" though.
Zhang Ning hasn't been at the top of her class for many years, shadowed by Susi, Ye Zhaoying, Gong Zhichao, and then Gong Ruina. she somehow woken up in 2002 and end up in the top.
Mia similarly, never managed to get pass the above listed players. and then only start to rise after she settled in The Netherlands.
a good rivalry might be the trio of Susi / Ye and Gong, actually. Susi seems to be able to beat Ye more, Ye beats Gong more, and Gong beats Susi more. how interesting is that??

[taufik-ist]

taufik hidayat vs PG

(quarter final olympic 2004, semifinal singapore open 2005)

[JasonMichael]

I think there was a small rivalry between foo kok keong and ardi wiranata back then... I remember when they played in the thailand open, both walked out of the court womiting on seperate occasions in the same match...
one of the longest and toughest matches. Not sure if it fits into this thread...

[zqloy]

I think there was a small rivalry between foo kok keong and ardi wiranata back then... I remember when they played in the thailand open, both walked out of the court womiting on seperate occasions in the same match...
one of the longest and toughest matches. Not sure if it fits into this thread...

Vomitting?? wow....:eek::eek:
How long is the match?

[taufik_lin16]

i think its Zhang Ning and Mia Audina too....



both great rivalries....
they'll be competing again here in MVP CUP in manila....

[libra]

Mens doubles:
Park JB and Kim MS vs Li YB and Tian BY.
All due respect to the Malaysians and Indos of the time but these were the two pairs who would always win when it counted. I think the koreans had the edge in overall head to head matches but in big games it was pretty even.

Mens singles:
Ardy Wiranata vs Zhou Jian Hua... I miss watching them play. Early on in their careers Zhou won many of their encounters but as time went by it seemed Ardy won more and more but Zhou won it at the WC and went on to become WC.

Or more recently:
Taufik vs Gade vs Lin
Taufik and Lin haven't played all that much but both have healthy rivalries against Gade (both in fact have the edge against Gade in important matches).

[tutu_h]

i guess
Rexy/Ricky vs Cheah Soon Kit/Beng Kiang match is the best 90's match ever,

the mas pair had 2 match points ( 2nd and 3rd sets) but they couldn't finish it and lost badly to ricky/rexy

firstly, they did not lose badly. badly means under 5. the score was 18-13.

secondly, you must have mistaken with Soo Beng Kiang and Yap Kim Hock.

Rexy/Ricky lost to Cheah Soon Kiat/soo Beng Kiang in the 1992 Thomas cup final. this was the critical point which Indonesia eventually lost the thomas cup.

after that Soo Beng Kiang stopped his partnership with CSK coz of some personal issues. CSK then Partnered with Yap Kim Hock.

If i'm not mistaken, theese 2 pairs (R/R & Chech/Soo) didn't meet anymore after that.

[Eurasian =--(O)]

Mens singles:
Ardy Wiranata vs Zhou Jian Hua... I miss watching them play. Early on in their careers Zhou won many of their encounters but as time went by it seemed Ardy won more and more but Zhou won it at the WC and went on to become WC.


Ardy still talks about playing Zhou sometimes. He says that if Zhou was on he had no chance b/c of his amazing jump smash. Ardy showed us his ready position if he lifted (he exaggerated) but he was squatting so low... it was pretty funny. Ardy also said that Zhou would get tired and he would let it affect his gameplay. Zhou would win like 5 points then let Ardy get 3 while he rested.

[taufik-ist]

firstly, they did not lose badly. badly means under 5. the score was 18-13.

secondly, you must have mistaken with Soo Beng Kiang and Yap Kim Hock.

Rexy/Ricky lost to Cheah Soon Kiat/soo Beng Kiang in the 1992 Thomas cup final. this was the critical point which Indonesia eventually lost the thomas cup.

after that Soo Beng Kiang stopped his partnership with CSK coz of some personal issues. CSK then Partnered with Yap Kim Hock.

If i'm not mistaken, theese 2 pairs (R/R & Chech/Soo) didn't meet anymore after that.

yeah... sorry :D, u r rite,

[Jade Imperial]

here's for WS
li lingwei vs han aiping
tang jiuhong vs huang hua
ye zhaoying vs susy susanti ( susy told on metrotv(kick andy program)that YE was her arch rival,the must difficult player to beat
Dai yun vs camilla martin
zhang ning vs mia audina
gong ruina vs zhou mi
enough yet????

[taufik-ist]

here's for WS
li lingwei vs han aiping
tang jiuhong vs huang hua
ye zhaoying vs susy susanti ( susy told on metrotv(kick andy program)that YE was her arch rival,the must difficult player to beat
Dai yun vs camilla martin
zhang ning vs mia audina
gong ruina vs zhou mi
enough yet????

it should be

ye zhaoying vs susy susanti vs bang sho yun (she beat susy in semi OG 1996) :D

[dimitri]

hw abotu Ong Ewe Hock vs Hendrawan ?

[samuel882]

Yang Yang vs Icuk Sugiarto
Hariyanto Arbi vs Sun Jun

[huangkwokhau]

hardly the "greatest" though.

Zhang Ning hasn't been at the top of her class for many years, shadowed by Susi, Ye Zhaoying, Gong Zhichao, and then Gong Ruina. she somehow woken up in 2002 and end up in the top.

Mia similarly, never managed to get pass the above listed players. and then only start to rise after she settled in The Netherlands.

a good rivalry might be the trio of Susi / Ye and Gong, actually. Susi seems to be able to beat Ye more, Ye beats Gong more, and Gong beats Susi more. how interesting is that??

In WS:

Susi Susanti-Tang Jiu Hong- Huang Hua-Bang Shu Hyun

I know that Susi always beats Huang Hua and Susi is evenly with Tang Jiu Hong....

[Ball X]

indonesian fans vs malaysian fans :)

[wilfredlgf]

Possibly the Lin Dan fans vs the LCW fans vs Taufik fans.

Sorry, you meant... ?

Oh, I definitely agree with the matches up below as already mentioned:

MS : Yang Yang vs Morten Frost

MD : ParkJB/KimMS vs Li YB/TianBY vs Eddy Hartono/Rudy Gunawan

[huangkwokhau]

indonesian fans vs malaysian fans :)

YES...Ball X ( INA) vs X Ball ( MAS).....:D:D I may get confused in future

[Ball X]

Possibly the Lin Dan fans vs the LCW fans vs Taufik fans.

Sorry, you meant... ?

Oh, I definitely agree with the matches up below as already mentioned:

MS : Yang Yang vs Morten Frost

MD : ParkJB/KimMS vs Li YB/TianBY vs Eddy Hartono/Rudy Gunawan

he..he correct. :D

yang yang vs morten vs icuk sugiarto

[Ball X]

YES...Ball X ( INA) vs X Ball ( MAS).....:D:D I may get confused in future

don't get confused.. i'm a nice one :D :D:p

[ctjcad]

YES...Ball X ( INA) vs X Ball ( MAS).....:D:D I may get confused in future

don't get confused.. i'm a nice one :D :D:p
..never expected there will be a Ball X also..I thought X Ball might've been banned or changed his screen-name (like bananaboy to bananakid)..:confused::p:)..
I can imagine already, IF there would be a debate between X Ball and Ball X, it's going to be quite amusing..:p
Btw, welcome to BCBF, Ball X, i assume you're Indonesian?? (looking @ your profile):confused:

[cooler]

zhang ning vs mia audina
LD and taufik (crowd pleaser)
susi s. vs ye zhao ying (and other chinese gals)

i think lady players make great rivalry. They dont call them cat fights for nothing:p

[indra]

Han Jian vs Liem Swie King

Park Jo Bong / Kim Mon So vs Li Yong Bo / Tian Bin Yi

[richardf1]

a) Prakash Padukone vs. Liem Swie King

b) Liem Swie King vs. Han Jian

c) Morten Frost vs. Yang Yang / Zhao Jianhua

d) Icuk Sugiarto vs. Morten Frost

e) Li Lingwei vs. Han Aiping (women's singles)

f) Razif/Jalani Sidek vs. Tian Bingyi/Li Yongbo

g) Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo vs. Tian Bingyi/Li Yongbo

My all-time favourites! And i still have some of the videos of them playing!

[cooler]

how could i forget this big one: camilla martin versus all asian WS LOL

basically, every time CM steps on the court, it's a rivalry match:D:D

CM career outlasted most asian/chinese WS's career duration.

Let see:
CM vs susi susanti
CM vs ye zhao ying
CM vs bang soo Hyun
CM vs gong zhichao
CM vs Dai Yun
CM vs zhou mi
CM vs gong R.
CM vs mia audina
CM vs XXF http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-9497.html
CM vs zhang ning
CM vs others i may have missed

CM vs legends basically. This make CM a legend too IMO

[lorus_blue]

how come i didn't see Rudy Hartono's name? doesn't he have any rival/s back then?

[huangkwokhau]

how could i forget this big one: camilla martin versus all asian WS LOL

basically, every time CM steps on the court, it's a rivalry match:D:D

CM career outlasted most asian/chinese WS's career duration.

Let see:
CM vs susi susanti
CM vs ye zhao ying
CM vs bang soo Hyun
CM vs gong zhichao
CM vs Dai Yun
CM vs zhou mi
CM vs gong R.
CM vs mia audina
CM vs XXF http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-9497.html
CM vs zhang ning
CM vs others i may have missed

CM vs legends basically. This make CM a legend too IMO

CM vs Tang Jiu Hong also....as well as Huang Hua if I am not mistaken

Yes...she is tough girl..

[CLELY]

MS -- Yang Yang >< Icuk Sugiarto ; TH vs LD ; Rudy Hartono vs Svend Pri

MD -- LYB/Tian Bingyi vs Kim Moon Soo/Park Joo Bong

WS -- Susi Susanti >< Ye Zhaoying

Team competition, no doubt : CHN vs INA

[indra]

a) Prakash Padukone vs. Liem Swie King

b) Liem Swie King vs. Han Jian

c) Morten Frost vs. Yang Yang / Zhao Jianhua

d) Icuk Sugiarto vs. Morten Frost

e) Li Lingwei vs. Han Aiping (women's singles)

f) Razif/Jalani Sidek vs. Tian Bingyi/Li Yongbo

g) Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo vs. Tian Bingyi/Li Yongbo

My all-time favourites! And i still have some of the videos of them playing!

I want to watch those matches...are you selling them ?

[X Ball]

..never expected there will be a Ball X also..I thought X Ball might've been banned or changed his screen-name (like bananaboy to bananakid)..:confused::p:)..
I can imagine already, IF there would be a debate between X Ball and Ball X, it's going to be quite amusing..:p
Btw, welcome to BCBF, Ball X, i assume you're Indonesian?? (looking @ your profile):confused:

It is very hard to get X Ball banned because there is never a reason to. Of course, judging by some posts, they think I should be. I think the BC administrators have a lot of common sense and know the 'score'.

As for BALL X, I wonder why he/she (and I still cannot tell whether he likes to be a she or a he, given that it was a she before he became a 'he' in her profile) -- hmmm....not worth figuring out anyway).

[robin7]

Unlike Sampras-Agassi rivalry in tennis since juniors which lasted for more than a decade, it's very difficult to find a great rivalry in badminton. Anyway, here are my picks:

WS: Li Lingwei (CHN) vs Han Aiping (CHN)
MS: Too many
WD: Dominated by CHN
MD: Park JB/Kim MS(KOR) vs Tian BY/Li YB(CHN)
XD: Zhang Jun/Gao Ling (CHN) vs Kim DM/Ra KM (KOR)

[cooler]

Unlike Sampras-Agassi rivalry in tennis since juniors which lasted for more than a decade, it's very difficult to find a great rivalry in badminton. Anyway, here are my picks:

WS: Li Lingwei (CHN) vs Han Aiping (CHN)
MS: Too many
WD: Dominated by CHN
MD: Park JB/Kim MS(KOR) vs Tian BY/Li YB(CHN)
XD: Zhang Jun/Gao Ling (CHN) vs Kim DM/Ra KM (KOR)
Z. ning vs M. Audina lasted for more than 10 years.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/badminton-central/content/view/66/2/
http://www.badders.com/news/item/797/audina-retires-at-the-top.html

[ants]

New era would be TH vs LD.

KKK/TBH vs CY/FHF

[robin7]

Z. ning vs M. Audina lasted for more than 10 years.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/badminton-central/content/view/66/2/
http://www.badders.com/news/item/797/audina-retires-at-the-top.html
Yes, I'm well aware of it. The reason why I didn't include Zhang Ning-Mia as one of the greatest rivalry because there are more dominant players during these period (1994-2006). Okay, they deserve a place in the top 10 greatest rivalry list, anyway.

Btw, did Mia play against Zhang again in 1996 UC finals?

[Dreamzz]

New era would be TH vs LD.

KKK/TBH vs CY/FHF


i think it's more of a TH v LD v LCW rivalry triangle, especially recently.
PG seems to have faded a bit, BCL/CY/CJ have had some dissapointing results as well.

as for KKK/TBH v CY/FHF, i think the MAS pair still lack a bit of consistency to be considered true rivals. maybe Kido/Setiawan would be a better choice.

[armortecfans]

Yes, I'm well aware of it. The reason why I didn't include Zhang Ning-Mia as one of the greatest rivalry because there are more dominant players during these period (1994-2006). Okay, they deserve a place in the top 10 greatest rivalry list, anyway.

Btw, did Mia play against Zhang again in 1996 UC finals?


Mia played against Wang Chen as 2nd single at 1996 UC final.

[taufik-ist]

i think it's more of a TH v LD v LCW rivalry triangle, especially recently.
PG seems to have faded a bit, BCL/CY/CJ have had some dissapointing results as well.

as for KKK/TBH v CY/FHF, i think the MAS pair still lack a bit of consistency to be considered true rivals. maybe Kido/Setiawan would be a better choice.

MK/HS was cai/fu rival .. if i'm not wrong MK/HS defeated cai/fu in world cup 206, china master 2006 in a row.. i hope they will be true rivals for both TBH/KKK and cai/fu

[Winston_T]

Men's Single:
- Paul Hoyer Eric Loursen vs Don Jiong
(One of them staged the most amazing comeback. Cant remember which one. Too old. One was trailing 14-3 but managed to chase and win the game at 17-14)


Atlanta OG 96 MS Final match

[Winston_T]

Yang Yang vs Morten Frost Hansen

[cooler]

LM and LD:D

.........

[ChompChomp]

Kdm Rkm / Zj Gl ???

[wilfredlgf]

LM and LD:D

.........LD's gonna literally beat him on the court.

[xavier felipe]

the great rivalry in 90s until now

Sun Jun - Hariyanto Arbie
Lin Dan - Taufik Hidayat - Lee Hyun-il - Lee Chong Wei
Dong Jiong - Poul Erik Hoyer Laarsen
Hendrawan - Xia Xuanze - Wong Choong Hann

Susi Susanti - Ye Zhaoying - Bang Soo-hyun
Tang Jiuhong - Susi Susanti - Huang Hua
Susi Susanti - Gong Zhichao - Ye Zhaoying
Camilla Martin - Gong Zhichao - Dai Yun
Camilla Martin - Mia Audina - Zhou Mi - Gong Ruina

Guan Weizhen/Nong Qunhua - Chung Soo-young/Hwang Hye-young - Yao Fen/Lin Yanfen - Gil Young-ah/Shim Eun-jung
Ge Fei/Gu Jun - Gil Young-ah/Jang Hye-ock
Huang Nanyan/Yang Wei - Ra Kyung-min/Chung Jae-hee - Qin Yiyuan/Gao Ling
Gao Ling/Huang Sui - Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen

[cooler]

LD's gonna literally beat him on the court.

ya, those nasty referees got into his way lol otherwise we might got an all time great off the court match:p

[cooler]

LD's gonna literally beat him on the court.

btw, u gotta teach me how to beat up someone without laying a hand on him