What happened to LCW at TO ?

[indra]

To me it is very clear that in an individual sport in which players must face one to one, the phsychological state of a player and how he/she perceives his/her opponent will play a dominant role ind etermining success.

LCW's recent loss to Chen Yu, the man who defeated LCW in IO, clearly shows that LCW is beginning to experience Chen Yu's Phobia, the same as when facing Lin Dan or TH.

LCW at his best always lost to CY...
LCW at his best most of the time lost to LD....

Things like this happen also to CH towards TH, Bao towards LCW....

I guess LCW still has a lot of home work to do...and I guess it is still very hard for him to win the WC.

[Loh]

At first sight, your caption really puzzles and gives no clue as to what you intend to discuss. Doubt you can change it now without the Mod's help.

A question to you:

If your theory about LCW is right, do you think your idol Taufik can experience the same phobia against some of his opponents? Taufik did lose some of his matches, especialy recently, did he not? Who does Taufik fear most? :)

[zqloy]

To me it is very clear that in an individual sport in which players must face one to one, the phsychological state of a player and how he/she perceives his/her opponent will play a dominant role ind etermining success.

LCW's recent loss to Chen Yu, the man who defeated LCW in IO, clearly shows that LCW is beginning to experience Chen Yu's Phobia, the same as when facing Lin Dan or TH.

LCW at his best always lost to CY...
LCW at his best most of the time lost to LD....

Things like this happen also to CH towards TH, Bao towards LCW....

I guess LCW still has a lot of home work to do...and I guess it is still very hard for him to win the WC.
Cant say i agree on yr opinion. LCW is is clearly not at his best form when losing on both ocassions to CY. In IO, he has just came back from one week holiday and din hv much enough training b4 that. And in TO, he definitely too tired to go on after reaching 3 finals in 3/4 weeks. So im actually not surprised he lose to CY after hv been competing so fequently but its definitely has nth to do with the phobia thing... And 1 more question to u, what makes u think tat he fears LD and TH?

[BadFever]

Oh no.....not another why LCW lost to whoever thread.....yawn, yawn, yawn......zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ. Don't you guys feel bored. :rolleyes:

I guess a player's fan will only know how to look at how bad the other players do and not his/her idol. :rolleyes:

Hey Indra, you typed LCW 7 times in your post. TH only 2 times. Are you sure you are fan of TH. :p

[indra]

Oh no.....not another why LCW lost to whoever thread.....yawn, yawn, yawn......zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ. Don't you guys feel bored. :rolleyes:

I guess a player's fan will only know how to look at how bad the other players do and not his/her idol. :rolleyes:

Hey Indra, you typed LCW 7 times in your post. TH only 2 times. Are you sure you are fan of TH. :p

I am a strong supporter of TH....I guess the strongest fan of TH in the forum:D :D

[ants]

No comments about LCW's performance this time at Thailand Open.

[Simp84]

To me it is very clear that in an individual sport in which players must face one to one, the phsychological state of a player and how he/she perceives his/her opponent will play a dominant role ind etermining success.

LCW's recent loss to Chen Yu, the man who defeated LCW in IO, clearly shows that LCW is beginning to experience Chen Yu's Phobia, the same as when facing Lin Dan or TH.

LCW at his best always lost to CY...
LCW at his best most of the time lost to LD....

Things like this happen also to CH towards TH, Bao towards LCW....

I guess LCW still has a lot of home work to do...and I guess it is still very hard for him to win the WC.
the phobia theory just doesn't apply to LCW...
if u remember clearly.... Chen Hong use to beat LCW... now LCW beat him like nothing... shows that he needs time to improve..

[jug8man]

No comments about LCW's performance this time at Thailand Open.

I agree. I don't think there's anyone else on the TO Men Single draw who deserves a good rest / holiday.

The Borneon BaddyNut

[pjswift]

I am a strong supporter of TH....I guess the strongest fan of TH in the forum:D :D

I'm a fan of both LCW and TH but I think it's time you climb out of your well and be more objective.
It's a good thing that LCW can leave early instead of pulling out. Otherwise he may not have a chance in the KO which is more important. LCW should have pulled out when LD did so (but Malaysia has better manners than China) since winning TO would not change his ranking and his key objective should be to meet (and train indirectly with) LD as often as possible before WC. Note that it's not how many times you fail that matters. It's whether , in defeat, any progress is shown. LCW is a fast learner. The gap closes fast and this is happening when LCW is still developing new weapons whereas LD is frantically digging out all his old ones.
Can you imagine when LCW masters another new weapon and has more match experience? He may be in a class of his own! Maybe that will be about 2008, Olympics C. LCW is a born badminton whiz and simply terrific.
BTW Chen Yu is a solid and experienced player. He's like LHI, dangerous to top players in the early stages, can reach final but cannot win the title when facing a higher ranked player. In SO 2006, he had matchpoints against PG;he won the 1st game , PG took the 2nd and the third game score was 22-20. Nobody is totally safe against him except China MS.
For once I'm happy LCW lost. He needs space to recuperate. The human body is not a machine.The strategy should be to win the big ones when the ranking points matter.
I always enjoy TH's play because he's very cool and intelligent. But I'm afraid he will not even make it to the semi unless he has fully recovered from his injuries and is fully fit by WC. It's a lot tougher this year because there are so many good players and the standard has gone up! In fact LD should be grateful to LCW for pushing him to a higher level so TH may not be able to defeat him in two games and TH would not have the stamina to take out LD in three.
So Indra, do you need a ladder? It' s not easy to climb out of a deep well on your own.

[cao ci dan]

I am a strong supporter of TH....I guess the strongest fan of TH in the forum:D :D
agree!!:D 100 fans of LCW plus 1 fan of LD (me):D can't even beat you down!!!you're great man!!!praise you a lot!!:D :D

[Loh]

Indra has dug himself so deep in the well that he needs an especially long, long ladder to bail him out.

But if despite his current dilemma, Indra's mental faculties are still intact and his spirits remain high, he might be able to see Taufik's happy face at the end of the ladder! This is no optical illusion, I assure you! :D

[indra]

the phobia theory just doesn't apply to LCW...
if u remember clearly.... Chen Hong use to beat LCW... now LCW beat him like nothing... shows that he needs time to improve..

I guess Chen Yu Phobia and Lin Dan Phobia will start growing in LCW's mind.
These two Chinese masters will continue haunting him.

OK ...LCW gets new weapons to defeat the two " great walls"....

The more LCW meets these two men, the more the two men know his weaknesses...

I guess it is a matter of style of play. LCW's style of play is at the hands of these two chinese players already. Just like, Cheng Hong's style already at the hand of TH...like Icuk controlled by Yang Yang...etc.

[xymaerts]

:( , though i can have a sweet weekend to record down the SEMI-Final & Final match of this TO.. seems my hope did not come through now..

[Jessica]

Although LCW has lost in the TO this time,but did you all notice that in the TO this time,many new malaysian players that are good like Tan Chun Seang and many other malaysian players...I heard that he is only 17 and i think that he will has a bright future...So,as a malaysian,i am not worried about our player and i think our country has a lot talented people...So,i think there are no point to discuss about LCW lose this time...For me,he is still the best ..The most dissapointed things to me is KBH lose in the first round...I wonder what has happened to him...I have no longer faith toward him...Sorry to his fans....Really dissapointed to him...Now hope hafiz can make it..

[hydrocyanic]

I'm a fan of both LCW and TH but I think it's time you climb out of your well and be more objective.
It's a good thing that LCW can leave early instead of pulling out. Otherwise he may not have a chance in the KO which is more important. LCW should have pulled out when LD did so (but Malaysia has better manners than China) since winning TO would not change his ranking and his key objective should be to meet (and train indirectly with) LD as often as possible before WC. Note that it's not how many times you fail that matters. It's whether , in defeat, any progress is shown. LCW is a fast learner. The gap closes fast and this is happening when LCW is still developing new weapons whereas LD is frantically digging out all his old ones.
Can you imagine when LCW masters another new weapon and has more match experience? He may be in a class of his own! Maybe that will be about 2008, Olympics C. LCW is a born badminton whiz and simply terrific.
BTW Chen Yu is a solid and experienced player. He's like LHI, dangerous to top players in the early stages, can reach final but cannot win the title when facing a higher ranked player. In SO 2006, he had matchpoints against PG;he won the 1st game , PG took the 2nd and the third game score was 22-20. Nobody is totally safe against him except China MS.
For once I'm happy LCW lost. He needs space to recuperate. The human body is not a machine.The strategy should be to win the big ones when the ranking points matter.
I always enjoy TH's play because he's very cool and intelligent. But I'm afraid he will not even make it to the semi unless he has fully recovered from his injuries and is fully fit by WC. It's a lot tougher this year because there are so many good players and the standard has gone up! In fact LD should be grateful to LCW for pushing him to a higher level so TH may not be able to defeat him in two games and TH would not have the stamina to take out LD in three.
So Indra, do you need a ladder? It' s not easy to climb out of a deep well on your own.

please let me know how staying for a game you cannot even play well over pulling off earlier for a rest is better manner

this sounds like better strategy on LD's side
losing out early grant him a title as "nice guy"?

[taufik-ist]

I am a strong supporter of TH....I guess the strongest fan of TH in the forum:D :D

i admit you are stronger than me,

i'm glad i have a strong compatriot like u to support taufik hidayat

[TKG2609]

i m also lindan n chen jin supporter ... hehehe .... gogo chen jin beat them all

[cindie]

Oh no.....not another why LCW lost to whoever thread.....yawn, yawn, yawn......zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ. Don't you guys feel bored. :rolleyes:

I guess a player's fan will only know how to look at how bad the other players do and not his/her idol. :rolleyes:

Hey Indra, you typed LCW 7 times in your post. TH only 2 times. Are you sure you are fan of TH. :p

BadFever, I agree with what you have said. :p

[chibe_K]

LCW reaches a stage in his professional career that only few in this world is able to challenge him. Its only meaningful to him now to play against PG or LD. So, for TO, I think its better for him to exit in early rounds and take a good rest to prepare for major tournaments ahead. Ideally, he should be playing when LD is playing. There is a bond now between them, they depend on each other to improve, to advance, and to win....

[jug8man]

LCW fans are begining to sound just like Taufik fans...

hmmmmmmm

[ants]

Hahah you noticed too.. :P

[indra]

LCW reaches a stage in his professional career that only few in this world is able to challenge him. Its only meaningful to him now to play against PG or LD. So, for TO, I think its better for him to exit in early rounds and take a good rest to prepare for major tournaments ahead. Ideally, he should be playing when LD is playing. There is a bond now between them, they depend on each other to improve, to advance, and to win....

LCW might feel the bond toward LD, yet LD feels not. This is so, because LD is the only player who defeat him most.

LD might feel the bond toward TH, yet TH feels not. This is so, because TH is the only player who makes his being No. 1 unrecognized as TH has grabbed the 2 most wanted titles.

[2cents]

LCW might feel the bond toward LD, yet LD feels not. This is so, because LD is the only player who defeat him most.

LD might feel the bond toward TH, yet TH feels not. This is so, because TH is the only player who makes his being No. 1 unrecognized as TH has grabbed the 2 most wanted titles.

That's something interesting. You have good observations.

TH didn't win anything big before. TH even never win anything outside south east asia. I thought he's finished, he's just another hype. Then suddenly, he won the 2 titles which totally upset not only Lin Dan but also changed the whole landscape of the badminton battlefields.

[indra]

That's something interesting. You have good observations.

TH didn't win anything big before. TH even never win anything outside south east asia. I thought he's finished, he's just another hype. Then suddenly, he won the 2 titles which totally upset not only Lin Dan but also changed the whole landscape of the badminton battlefields.



/Bons/KJ/CJ/LHI/BAO--->LCW--->LD --> TH ---> Defend WC and OC

---> means " future goal [must defeat...]"

[Titan]

so many theories...only LCW himself knows the answer....

[X Ball]

so many theories...only LCW himself knows the answer....


Theoreticians are cheap by the dozens here !:D

[taufik-ist]

That's something interesting. You have good observations.

TH didn't win anything big before. TH even never win anything outside south east asia. I thought he's finished, he's just another hype. Then suddenly, he won the 2 titles which totally upset not only Lin Dan but also changed the whole landscape of the badminton battlefields.

that bcos
TH rarely plays outside of asia :rolleyes:

TH had shown as talent player since he was 17, he defeated the former junior champion, chen hong in the final of Brunei open 1998

[Makkem_1]

Here's how I see it:

I think LCW is allowing pressure to pile up on him in important tournaments. I recall that after he crashed out of the Malaysia open,he said he was glad as he didn't have the double-edged tag line of being a 'hometown champion' (only) round his neck..

Chong Wei has the expectations of a whole country round his shoulders. It is different for LD, because to draw a football analogy, in MS Malaysia are the England of badminton compared to China (the Brazil of badminton). As far as I can remember, no Malaysian MS player ever won Worlds or Olympics, [might be wrong] and in Lee they finally have a player that has a good chance. So they overburden him with expectations. Like England's football team every defeat or percieved lapse in form is unacceptable. I recall Malaysian fans on these boards saying they should start booing him, as he had lost the opening set to Ponsana [in a match he won in the end]. That's just stupid: I mean Ponsana is pretty good and at international level the difference can be made on tactics alone. To lose a set is no big deal: LD does it all the time [e.g. he sacrificed a set against Andrew Smith in the QF of the Thomas cup to learn the play style of a dangerous and unfamiliar opponent, but won the last two 21-12, 21-15.] It is also hugely disrespectful to a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve, always gives his all with no excuses, and is maybe the hardest-working player around [nobody trains so hard].

It is also clear just how much it means to the guy when he is interviewed esp after a defeat. He takes it personally and a large part of that is that he feels he's let his country down. Another part of it is from interviews he doesn't feel 'accepted' by his own fans: thinks they find him unemotional....

Here's a bit of advice to Malaysia fans: Support your players unconditionally, and don't batter guys like Chong Wei who really deserve better. I say this in the knowledge as an English guy that my countrymen are no different or better - you guys are as desperate for a Malaysian badminton world or Olympic champion as we are for England to win the World Cup and we batter our players all the time! We have waited long enough! [While I think England lack the collective technique to do the job] I know no Malaysia mens singles guy ever really shed the tag of being a home-town champion only but LCW has the ability, fitness and flair to win something big besides his Asian Games and Malaysia open hat-trick. Maybe he won't dominate the sport but he will always be there with a big chance. For Lin Dan, it is different as his country has the experience of dominating the sport and winning major titles. For Chong Wei it is uncharted territory.

Finally if I were to have a message for LCW it would be that he does the work, he has the game and has the heart to be a champion. The rest is in God's hands. The difference between his outlook and LD is that LD only answers to himself. He only has to please himself - so he's free to make mistakes. Taufik is a more extreme example.. only sets himself a few targets.
Whereas, LCW is in very dangerous territory as he is not only trying to fulfill other's expectations but even worse, in my opinion he's trying to earn 'acceptance' by his results. LD is doing a job to the best of his ability, LCW is trying to prove himself and investing too much of himself in his game...
[Random comment: Were LCW a Christian I would say know you're accepted as a person and stop trying too hard - if not I would say be more selfish and say you owe nobody anything except yourself.]

I think in the long run he'll get what he deserves: badminton has a busy enough schedule that he's got lots of years to hunt down a major title. [mind you I said that in school about the tennis player Henman... the difference is, Henman narrowly missed winning Wimbledon because he didn't have one important physical attribute - raw power, but had everything else in abundance]. LCW is the real deal, he is a very complete player. I enjoy watching his games esp his matches with Lin Dan:D totally mental!:D It gets me in the mood for my own matches:D :D !

So, LCW lost to Chen Yu.? big deal, Chen Yu is very good. Just a bit inconsistent against the best, he's been an easy top 10 for ages... Hopefully a learning process is happening.....!

Sorry: I did ramble a bit:eek: