To BlueJeff and other knowlegeble BF member,

I am getting a NS9K-x from Taiwan later this month (thanks to my inlaws). I notice that NS9K actually come in 2U and 3U in Taiwan but only G5. Can anyone verify that? Also, is YY selling 2U NS9K in Asia because we weak @ss player need that extra weight to generate more power?:D

Thanks

PS, Except for Sir DinkALot, he is a bear who eat shuttles for lunch and use the broken shaft of racquet as a toothpick.

PS, Except for Sir DinkALot, he is a bear who eat shuttles for lunch and use the broken shaft of racquet as a toothpick.

I'm not an experienced BF member but i have to make a comment on the quote above. That was a terrific and hilarious comparison you made of Sir DinkAlot the "lovable" panda bear.

had me laughing hard at my desk while working.... :D

To BlueJeff and other knowlegeble BF member,

I am getting a NS9K-x from Taiwan later this month (thanks to my inlaws). I notice that NS9K actually come in 2U and 3U in Taiwan but only G5. Can anyone verify that? Also, is YY selling 2U NS9K in Asia because we weak @ss player need that extra weight to generate more power?:D

Thanks

PS, Except for Sir DinkALot, he is a bear who eat shuttles for lunch and use the broken shaft of racquet as a toothpick.

could still be short supply and cheapskate markets like in SE asia get last dips:p LOL

[quote=silentheart]Also, is YY selling 2U NS9K in Asia because we weak @ss player need that extra weight to generate more power?:D

I bought my NS9000X from S'pore. It is 2UG5 (SP coded). I am not sure about the rest of the Asia country though. But, I remember I have read somewhere in the forum that Thailand only have 4U for the nanospeed series.

Heavier rackets are probably easier to manoeuvre by people with shorter arm. On average these rackets are likely to be more usable by asians. Long armed people have greater leverage. Heavier rackets may hinder that leverage.

Heavier rackets are probably easier to manoeuvre by people with shorter arm. On average these rackets are likely to be more usable by asians. Long armed people have greater leverage. Heavier rackets may hinder that leverage.

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That theory seems highly illogical, as arm-length is relative to overal size, and usually also bigger muscles..

/T

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That theory seems highly illogical, as arm-length is relative to overal size, and usually also bigger muscles..

/T

long arms are usually proportionately thinner because the muscles had to distribute over a wider area. That's why the body type of Mike Tyson is more common to the shorter people than to the very tall.

An anology a European might appreciate is in the movie Lord of The Rings, the muscular dwarf wielded a heavy axe. Where as the tall slender Elf used a light bow. Neither lacked power in their fighting as each used a weapon of the right weight for their body type. Imagine the dwarf swapped weapons with the Elf, not only would the aesthetics of the two characters be distrupted, it would also be immiediately apprent to an observer that they are using the wrong weapons.

An anology a European might appreciate is in the movie Lord of The Rings, the muscular dwarf wielded a heavy axe. Where as the tall slender Elf used a light bow. Neither lacked power in their fighting as each used a weapon of the right weight for their body type. Imagine the dwarf swapped weapons with the Elf, not only would the aesthetics of the two characters be distrupted, it would also be immiediately apprent to an observer that they are using the wrong weapons.

:confused: Why go so far as to Lord Of The rings???? (animated characters for that matter :rolleyes: )

Do you think Kenneth Jonassen (188cm) needs a lighter racket than Taufik (176cm) :confused:

If i remeber correctly taufik is using a 4U and Kenneth a 3U... :eek:

(and I dont think they use rally 21 at 16lbs :D )

/Twobeer

A correction on my post above (according to the olympics stats Taufik is 179cm, the 176cm figure was from an older interview).

/T

Do you think Kenneth Jonassen (188cm) needs a lighter racket than Taufik (176cm) :confused:

If i remeber correctly taufik is using a 4U and Kenneth a 3U... :eek:


A 4U head heavy racket can have a greater effective weight than a balanced 3U racket. So it is within reason that the shorter Taufik is using an AT700 that has a heavier feel.

Like it or not, a piece of weight in the hand of a stretched out long arm will feel heavier than the same weight in the hand of a short arm.

A 4U head heavy racket can have a greater effective weight than a balanced 3U racket. So it is within reason that the shorter Taufik is using an AT700 that has a heavier feel.


Kenneth use the exact same model AT700 but heavier than Taufik.. I don't see your point...


Like it or not, a piece of weight in the hand of a stretched out long arm will feel heavier than the same weight in the hand of a short arm.

Yes, assuming all other factors are constant and unrelated to arm-lenght (which they of course aren't). You must understand that a midget will not neccesary choose a 110g racket as his optimal badminton racket, do you??

<irony> Maybe I should sell my 160g heavy training rackets to some small kid as he has much shorter arms than me </irony> :p

I think you confuse length with strength here...

/T

Kenneth use the exact same model AT700 but heavier than Taufik.. I don't see your point...


There are always exceptions. But large racket makers have to deal with averages. On average, in countries with more long armed people, heaveir rackets are not as sellable, so they don't sell the heavier rackets in those countries.

I am providing a potential reason why long armed people don't like heavier rackets - because their long arms make the heavy rackets feel extra heavy.



Yes, assuming all other factors are constant and unrelated to arm-lenght (which they of course aren't). You must understand that a midget will not neccesary choose a 110g racket as his optimal badminton racket, do you??


If a midget were to play badminton, the only salvation for him would be an extra heavy racket. Given the reduced distance/arc a midget can swing the racket, he would not have attained the high speed by the time he strikes the shuttle. So the weight is the only thing he can rely on for power.



<irony> Maybe I should sell my 160g heavy training rackets to some small kid as he has much shorter arms than me </irony> :p


Yonex only make extra short racket for kiddies in 2U. The higher weight is equally effective for midgets and little kids.



I think you confuse length with strength here...


I regularly play with europeans and orientals. The differences in their physiology is quite obvious. The muscle concentration for the shorter orientals are greater than the taller europeans. In terms of strength and total muscle for people of simlar fitness, the orientals are roughly equal to the europeans.

There are always exceptions. But large racket makers have to deal with averages. On average, in countries with more long armed people, heaveir rackets are not as sellable, so they don't sell the heavier rackets in those countries.

I am providing a potential reason why long armed people don't like heavier rackets - because their long arms make the heavy rackets feel extra heavy.

Another simpler explanation may of course be that the western buyer on average can afford lighter, more advanced models due to economic reasons :)

Looking at the pro players racket choices I simply find no support for your belief that Asians generally would benefit from and/or prefer heavier rackets, than taller europeans..

/Twobeer

The use of the term "oriental" is not politically correct. Asian is the appropriate term.


I regularly play with europeans and orientals. The differences in their physiology is quite obvious. The muscle concentration for the shorter orientals are greater than the taller europeans. In terms of strength and total muscle for people of simlar fitness, the orientals are roughly equal to the europeans.

Another simpler explanation may of course be that the western buyer on average can afford lighter, more advanced models due to economic reasons :)

Looking at the pro players racket choices I simply find no support for your belief that Asians generally would benefit from and/or prefer heavier rackets, than taller europeans..

/Twobeer

There's no evidence suggesting heavier versions of Yonex rackets are cheaper. The income of the Japanese should be equal to those in the west. Yet heavy rackets are available in the Japanese market. Heavy rackets are not sold in the west simply because these are too heavy for longer limbs.

What weights professionals prefer is irrelevant as Yonex's money is made from average Joe publics, who's arm lengths dictate their weight preferences.

The use of the term "oriental" is not politically correct. Asian is the appropriate term.

That kind of political correctness hasn't reached UK yet. Orientals are still quite respectable where I am.

This is an international forum.

That kind of political correctness hasn't reached UK yet. Orientals are still quite respectable where I am.

This is an international forum.

Indeed. I don't understand why your political correctness overrides mine. Further more, being a proud oriental myself, can you explain why it isn't ok to be an oriental ?

The term, "oriental", denotes racial prejudice and was often used in the 19th and for the most of 20th century.

Indeed. I don't understand why your political correctness overrides mine. Further more, being a proud oriental myself, can you explain why it isn't ok to be an oriental ?

There's no evidence suggesting heavier versions of Yonex rackets are cheaper. The income of the Japanese should be equal to those in the west. Yet heavy rackets are available in the Japanese market. Heavy rackets are not sold in the west simply because these are too heavy for longer limbs.

What weights professionals prefer is irrelevant as Yonex's money is made from average Joe publics, who's arm lengths dictate their weight preferences.

You are reaching for a limb here.. Just an example: Yonex in Sweden only sells NS8000/2U trough the official shops here.. In Japan 3U is availble in most shops as well..

/T

There's no evidence suggesting heavier versions of Yonex rackets are cheaper. The income of the Japanese should be equal to those in the west. Yet heavy rackets are available in the Japanese market. Heavy rackets are not sold in the west simply because these are too heavy for longer limbs.

What weights professionals prefer is irrelevant as Yonex's money is made from average Joe publics, who's arm lengths dictate their weight preferences.

WHAT A LOAD OF BOTTOM GRADE CR*PS.
Yonex prefer importing heavier versions to north america (canada and US).
I won't devulge the reason how yonex canada chooses but here are some examples:
2u mp100 only (about 100 3u were brought IN as test market)
3U 800 de and of only
2U ti10, mp77 only
3U mp88 only

I have been harping yonex canada in the 90's to bring in some 3U's because many other racket makers are selling 4U and 5U already. I was looking for some 3U cab22 here, none. Was looking for a 3U cab 30 here too, none.
Was looking for 4U 800de and of, none.

There's no evidence suggesting heavier versions of Yonex rackets are cheaper. The income of the Japanese should be equal to those in the west. Yet heavy rackets are available in the Japanese market. Heavy rackets are not sold in the west simply because these are too heavy for longer limbs.

What weights professionals prefer is irrelevant as Yonex's money is made from average Joe publics, who's arm lengths dictate their weight preferences.

WHAT A LOAD OF BOTTOM GRADE CR*PS.
Yonex prefer importing heavier versions to north america (canada and US).
I won't devulge the reason how yonex canada chooses but here are only some examples from memory:
2u mp100 only (about 100 3u were brought IN as test market)
3U AT 800 de and of only (some 4u 800of was brought in as test market)
3U AT 700, 500,300 only
2U ti10, mp77 only
3U mp88 only

I have been harping yonex canada in the 90's to bring in some 3U's because many other racket makers are selling 4U and 5U already. (that is one reason why i don't own ti10, mp100, mp88, mp77, AT700 because i wanted the lighter version and cant buy them here). Now, I'm looking for some 3U cab22 here, none. Was looking for a 3U cab 30 here too, none. Was looking for 4U 800de and of, none. Yes, I got the latters now thanks to BF and internet.

What weights professionals prefer is irrelevant as Yonex's money is made from average Joe publics, who's arm lengths dictate their weight preferences.

howard bach, LCW: NS8000
peter gade, kenneth J.: AT700

are you saying howard and Lee have longer arm lengths than peter and kenneth?

The term, "oriental", denotes racial prejudice and was often used in the 19th and for the most of 20th century.

Clearly the English language has diverged between east and west. But I am happy to remain an oriental regardless of what arbitrary connotations people decide to attach to the term. Lets hope the language hasn't diverged to the point that discussion of concepts such as weights and NS9k's become impossible between people of different locality.

howard bach, LCW: NS8000
peter gade, kenneth J.: AT700

are you saying howard and Lee have longer arm lengths than peter and kenneth?

No. I am saying people in the west have longer limbs on average, and people in the east have shorter limbs on average.

You are reaching for a limb here.. Just an example: Yonex in Sweden only sells NS8000/2U trough the official shops here.. In Japan 3U is availble in most shops as well..

/T

These Swedes are rather sensible, as I believe the only thing that can make that racket usable for the typical Joe Public is more weight.

In Japan as well as in other far eastern places, most if not all weight classes of rackets are available. Prices for both heavy and light version of the same racket are normally the same. This shows that you don't have a limb to stand on with your idea that only the people in the west can afford the lighter version of the rackets.

Yonex prefer importing heavier versions to north america (canada and US).
I won't devulge the reason how yonex canada chooses but here are only some examples from memory:


If you know the reason why Yonex only import heavy rackets to North America, perhaps you also know why they only import light rackets to europe (with the exception of 2U NS8k perhaps). Why not divulge the infomation and save me and twobeer the argument ? If this goes on twobeer will undoubtedly be driven to drink and perhaps change his name to threebeer, or maybe even fourbeer !

cool, i know what u mean, but i think u keep both side's arm strength equal in your way of thinking which is pretty unlikely in real world situation

If you know the reason why Yonex only import heavy rackets to North America, perhaps you also know why they only import light rackets to europe (with the exception of 2U NS8k perhaps). Why not divulge the infomation and save me and twobeer the argument ? If this goes on twobeer will undoubtedly be driven to drink and perhaps change his name to threebeer, or maybe even fourbeer !

This argument is getting silly,

I have presented my view that I cant find any support for your theory (among pros and amongs players i come in contact with) That shorter people should benefit from heavier rackets. I (and other posters here) have presented examples contradicting this, and you havent pointed to any backed up statistics supporting your argument, so lets just leave it at this, and just let forum readers draw there own conclusions based on the argument we put forward, OK?