Korea Open 2006: Day 3 (23/08)

[badMania]

Selected matches for MD and WD for tomorrow, with predictions in bold.

MD ROUND OF 32
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto vs David Lindley/Chris Langridge -- the Indo pair should win!

Kristoff Hopp/Ingo Kindervater vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan -- ditto.

Hoon Thien How/Tan Boon Heong vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen -- the ex World champion is reunited and the young Malaysian pair is unlucky to draw them in the first round.

Gan Teik Chai/Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- expect a thriller with the Korean pair progressing through.

Keita Masuda/Tadashi Ohtsuka vs Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya -- again, a tricky but manageable tie for the ex Olympic champion.

Chew Choon Eng/Hong Chieng Hun vs Flandy Limpele/Sigit Budiarto -- Flandy/Sigit's first match after winning the Singapore Open. They remain as unpredictable as ever and they should have a slight edge over their Malaysian opponent.

WD ROUND OF 32
Chung Jae Hee/Park So Youn vs Kumiko Ogura/Reiko Shiota -- finally, we see the return of the cute Jap pair :D They should start their campaign with a win.

Gail Emms/Donna Kellogg vs Lena Frier-Kristensen/Kamilla Rytter-Juhl (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- a tough match for both pairs but the English pair has a slight edge.

Nicole Grether/Juliane Schenk vs Lita Nurlita/Nathalia Poluakan -- I hope the Indo pair can win at least one match. They have a good chance to reach the quarter-final of a 6* event thanks to a relatively kind draw.

Kim Young Hang/Ahn Jung Ha vs Jo Novita/Gresya Polii -- likewise, the seeded Indonesian pair should prevail!

[ctjcad]

Selected matches for MD and WD for tomorrow, with predictions in bold.

MD ROUND OF 32

Keita Masuda/Tadashi Ohtsuka vs Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya -- again, a tricky but manageable tie for the ex Olympic champion.

Chew Choon Eng/Hong Chieng Hun vs Flandy Limpele/Sigit Budiarto -- Flandy/Sigit's first match after winning the Singapore Open. They remain as unpredictable as ever and they should have a slight edge over their Malaysian opponent.

WD ROUND OF 32

Nicole Grether/Juliane Schenk vs Lita Nurlita/Nathalia Poluakan -- I hope the Indo pair can win at least one match. They have a good chance to reach the quarter-final of a 6* event thanks to a relatively kind draw.

Kim Young Hang/Ahn Jung Ha vs Jo Novita/Gresya Polii -- likewise, the seeded Indonesian pair should prevail!
Hmm, for MD, i will be surprise if Candra/Tony won't play against Sigit/Flandy as early as the QF..If they do meet, now, get those camcorders ready as that should be 1 heck of an entertaining match..:rolleyes: :cool:
As for WD matches above, i don't know abt Lita's/Nathalia's match; it's 50-50. As for Jo's/Gresya's match, they should win, but it's going to be a battle also, as they will be dueling against the hometown pair. BTW, anyone knows what happened to the current US Open WD champions from Russia?? How come i didn't see their names in the main draw any longer?? Did they withdrew??..:rolleyes:

[Loh]

From the little that I saw, the Koreans have been doing well and they will be a match for their opponents.

I thought I also saw from the Draw that some Russian players had withdrawn.

[hcyong]

WS R32 top half completed.
Notable results:
Julia Wong bt Yippy; she next plays top seed Xu Huaiwen
Soratja (Tha) bt Mori
Saina bt Hataya; she will play Soratja next
Cheng Shao-Chieh bt Li Li; she will play Lu Lan next
All the four matches above were hard-fought three-setters.
The other R16 match from this half will eature Hwang Hye Young v Pi HY

[Jessica]

Where you get the results???

[2cents]

Day 3 seems to be a boring day. Waiting for the day 4 now. :p

[2cents]

Day 3 seems to be a boring day. Waiting for the day 4 now. :p

Day 3 is so boring that even badMania did not want to predict the Mens singles. Actually, there is nothing need to be predicted. :D

[ctjcad]

Day 3 is so boring that even badMania did not want to predict the Mens singles. Actually, there is nothing need to be predicted. :D
hmm, i thought 3rd day has lots of MD actions(ie. Tony/Candra)..:rolleyes:
btw, if you haven't follow, badMania is currently traveling out of the country, thus he will have very limited access to the internet and do his regular routine of previews and updates in this BC, til sometimes next week..:p ;)

[hcyong]

Not boring at all. There are some interesting matches lined up for the day.

[ants]

Where you get the results???

you can actually get it at the korean badminton website www.koreaopen.or.kr
There is also a live result website via other KR sport website but i lost the link. The website above is good enough.

[hcyong]

You can also get it here directly.

http://www.koreabadminton.org/back/file_view/3000562_wm.dv1

[Jessica]

Oh...Thank you ants and hcyong...

[wynn000]

mew choo won the game she beat wang chen in two set 21-16,21-15 really is a good new

[2cents]

mew choo won the game she beat wang chen in two set 21-16,21-15 really is a good new

It seems that recently there are some kind of landsliding in women's singles. Who entered the final in Macau open? Their level of playing is the worst I have never seen before. :eek: :eek:

[pauline]

mew choo won the game she beat wang chen in two set 21-16,21-15 really is a good new
:eek: really? in just 2 sets? wow,well done Mew Choo!

[2cents]

hmm, i thought 3rd day has lots of MD actions(ie. Tony/Candra)..:rolleyes:
btw, if you haven't follow, badMania is currently traveling out of the country, thus he will have very limited access to the internet and do his regular routine of previews and updates in this BC, til sometimes next week..:p ;)

Thanks for pointing out. I meant that badMania did not predict MS the same time when he predicted other events. :confused: before he left this thread alone

[Chu Liuxiang]

:eek: really? in just 2 sets? wow,well done Mew Choo!

I think Mew Choo did improve a lot with the help from Zhou Mi as sparring partner.:D

[Jessica]

Wow...WMC is terrific...She beat the second seed in straight set...Its a very good news indeed...Well done...This means that she has really improved a lot..I am so happy...i think her coach is sure very happy...

[hcyong]

Thanks for pointing out. I meant that badMania did not predict MS the same time when he predicted other events. :confused: before he left this thread alone

When he started this thread, the previous rounds of MS and WS were not completed yet.

[2cents]

LCW lost to Roslin, :crying: :crying: :crying:

Is Li Mao going to be fired :confused: :confused: :confused:

[wynn000]

LCW lose ?? wat happen to him

[pauline]

I think Mew Choo did improve a lot with the help from Zhou Mi as sparring partner.:D
oh yeah,I've almost forgotten that. Guess Zhou Mi really helps a lot..

[hcyong]

Other notable results were:
Hirose bt Tine Rasmussen
Salakjit bt Schenck

[wynn000]

quite dissapointed why LCW will lost

[Loh]

LCW lost to Roslin, :crying: :crying: :crying:

Is Li Mao going to be fired :confused: :confused: :confused:

A real shock! How did the wily 'veteran' Roslin do it? No wonder he is still in demand in sucha strong badminton country as Denmark! ;)

Do you want Roslin to replace KBH? :rolleyes: Of course NOT!

[pauline]

LCW lose ?? wat happen to him
:eek: (dumbfounded)who ever thought that Roslin would get rid off LCW??:o

[2cents]

quite dissapointed why LCW will lost

I think Roslin lurking in the dark, trying very hard just to beat LCW, while LCW is aiming something big, something like to beat Lin Dan, or at least this time, to beat Chen Yu, did not pay much attention to Roslin. So we can say that LCW was murdered this time. :eek:

[ants]

Maybe its the couple's jinx? Wong MC win and LCW lost? Its just unbelievable that LCW lost. He is giving other players more confidence now since he has lost in the early rounds for past 2 tourneys.

[2cents]

:eek: (dumbfounded)who ever thought that Roslin would get rid of LCW??:o

I was expecting LCW vs Chen Yu again

By the way, as indra said, Simon is very sharp this time.:eek:

[wynn000]

since peter withdraw and LD skip the KO will this is some strategy for LCW to concentrate on HKO

[ants]

since peter withdraw and LD skip the KO will this is some strategy for LCW to concentrate on HKO
I don't think so.. who would want to lose in a tournament?

[Loh]

By the looks of things, there will be lots of surprises at the forthcoming Madrid WC!

[pauline]

maybe Roslin can beat Chen Yu for LCW.....hehe..

[wynn000]

hope so, now hope other guys can perform well ~yeah malaysia~

[**KZ**]

wow...surprising....wonder why LCW keep losing in the early rounds lately...not a good sign....
but he always get fired up when LD is in the draw...

[wynn000]

Will he playing in HKO ??i tot he skip the HKO but the draw got his name

[Jessica]

LCW lost to Roslin...What a big shock...Do you all think is a strategy or what???Since LD and PG not here..Is he conserving his energy for the HO...I have a lot of questions mark in my heart...This time KO is the biggest surprise tournaments ever...

[Jessica]

LCW will be playing in HO next week???So..what do you all think...???

[Loh]

LCW will be playing in HO next week???So..what do you all think...???

In his condition right now, the odds are against him. Hopefully Roslin and Chen Yu will not be his early opponent! :rolleyes:

Just goes to show how a player's form can change suddenly!

[2cents]

LCW will be playing in HO next week???So..what do you all think...???

Lee CW got an easy draw at HKOpen, there will be a cruise to quarter final for Lee CW. after that, he has to beat either Lee HI or Simon. I think Lee CW is good enough to handle either of them. But in semi final, Lee CW will face Chen Jin or Chen Yu, that will be the real test for him ;)

[wynn000]

i saw the newspaper said tat Chong Wei will skip HKO ,hope he will be playing in HKO!!!

[tehsham]

Just goes to show how a player's form can change suddenly!
Maybe it is just one of those day everything doesn't turn out right.....

[ants]

Its understandable that LCW lose to Roslin.. sometimes your own countrymen knows u better and Roslin take advantage of it. It doesnt mean that LCW played badly..

[Jessica]

Ya...ants is right...

[fifteen luv]

Its understandable that LCW lose to Roslin.. sometimes your own countrymen knows u better and Roslin take advantage of it. It doesnt mean that LCW played badly..

Hope Roslin continue to win and win the KO for us Malaysian fan:D :D :D

[wynn000]

how is Yeoh Kay Bin win or lose, hope he can perform well

[pauline]

and not forgetting Hafiz,hope he is in form......

[wynn000]

haha final Roslin vs Hafiz !!

[pauline]

haha final Roslin vs Hafiz !!
LOL,if that really happens in this 6* tournament......I'll be over the moon..:D

[jermaine]

haha final Roslin vs Hafiz !!

that will be boring.... they shouldnt send lcw playing too many tournaments, he will wear out easily, i rather he train back at home ground like lin dan

[indra]

I was expecting LCW vs Chen Yu again

By the way, as indra said, Simon is very sharp this time.:eek:

Simon's straight-set victory over Sato is a warning to other players.

SImon vs Chen Yu: This will be a very interesting match, maybe more interesting than the LHI vs TH match.

Simon is a fast learner. Physically and mentally he is ready to face any player now...

[wynn000]

hafiz lost..........

[wynn000]

agree i thibnk LCw should train at home and dont playing too many tournament

[wynn000]

wat happend to malaysia men single today??

[pauline]

hafiz lost..........
oh no,another early exit...
what happened to our 1st,2nd and 3rd singles...:confused:

[Loh]

agree i thibnk LCw should train at home and dont playing too many tournament

Don't forget that training could even be more demanding and could also lead to injury! As this stage, exposing oneself to more matches with as many different opponents is a good way to assess one's level of preparedness and as a means of peaking at the right time for the more important event - the WC! :D

[indra]

wat happend to malaysia men single today??

Malaysian players often experience this kind of problems when they are under pressure.

[wynn000]

haizzz today is a bad day for me very very very dissapointed

[tehsham]

Malaysian players often experience this kind of problems when they are under pressure.
Hafiz what pressure ???

[tehsham]

oh no,another early exit...
what happened to our 1st,2nd and 3rd singles...:confused:
On the bright side, they except the 3rd singles maybe peaking at WC

[hcyong]

BAM is not going to be happy. The only 2 surviving Malaysian MS are outside the stable. At least there was good news in the WS.

[tehsham]

Hope Saifu will continue his winning way until the semi-final though it is tough with TH or LHI on the way but nothing is impossible....

[Jessica]

Hafiz lose to who???I wonder what they doing...

[Jessica]

What a huge dissapointment...They are only two MS left in KO for MAS team...James Chua,Hafiz and YKB all lose....

[X Ball]

We have 'banana players' --- eaten up easily. I have a feeling the players have got no spirit and no guts. Too much teh tarik and nasi lemak !

[X Ball]

Time for BAM to bring out the stick.....too much easy time and no objectives set for the players so much so they act on their own whims and fancy.

[Jessica]

Maybe you are right...Maybe is really BAM too loosen up all the players...Is the time to be more tight and dicipline...

[X Ball]

BAM spends so much on them and all they do in return is quick exits within the initial rounds. I think we should save BAM's money by not sending anyone since they did not perform.

[Loh]

BAM spends so much on them and all they do in return is quick exits within the initial rounds. I think we should save BAM's money by not sending anyone since they did not perform.

You don't want BAM to be like its Indonesian counterpart, PBSI do you? :D

[X Ball]

You don't want BAM to be like its Indonesian counterpart, PBSI do you? :D

hahaha, I disagree with you. If they don't perform they should not be allowed to spend. Strictly, no passengers !

Lately, the boys just take a flight, check in to the tournament and then get a quick exit and take a plane back. There is absolutely no 'return' on the investment to send them. So why send them.

I think BAM should put them in the 'Sin' bin for a while to let their hunger return. And they lose half their pay when they are classified as 'sinners'.

Somebody said the Chinese will be out if they play like KBH because they have so many commited players. I think Malaysia keeps giving the players chances even though they do not perform. Are the players taking it for granted that they will not lose their benefits even though they play badly ?

Fans, like me, are getting irrate about the lack of commitment by the players. We wait eagerly for a Malaysian player to step up by sending a team of players and they all lose in the initial rounds. What a disappointment as expressed bv so many fans here.

KBH, LCW, HAFIZ ---- shameful performances ! Malu lah !

[**KZ**]

at least YKB and James went down fighting to stronger opponents...
though LCW lost....he lost to roslin and roslin is not an easy player to beat alrite....he can beat almost anyone on top form....but most disappointing is Hafiz who lost to the much improved Thai MS...and of course not to mention KBH!!.....but WS having a good day...

[tbleong]

MS no hope, now we hope for WS... MC,,, gogooggog!!!

[Loh]

Tough taskmaster you are! But can't blame your disappointment.

What is your criteria for sending the boys/girls for overseas assignments? What sort of impact must they make on you before you give the go ahead?

What happens if they don't come up to your expectations? Keep the 'sinners' at home and how many do you think you'll be left with? A lot of criticism has been levelled at the PBSI for not sending players abroad for the exposure, forcing some into premature retirement or to play for other countries.

Can the BAM afford to do the same?

Not an easy decision to make, but maybe more incentives are better than less or no incentives for the players. :rolleyes:

[ants]

You don't want BAM to be like its Indonesian counterpart, PBSI do you? :D

Heheh.. then later the Msian players will quit and play for Singapore instead. :) Good deal huh?

[Dreamzz]

Heheh.. then later the Msian players will quit and play for Singapore instead. :) Good deal huh?

haha, that is a real possibility. i often wonder why that hasn't happened yet. maybe there's too much pride/tension between the countries?

[**KZ**]

wow.....jens and martin lost in MD to shen ye/ he hanbin....luluk and alven lost to lindley and langridge

[hara^kazuko]

Lin Woon Fui and Mohd Fairuzizuan won against Eric and Malaythong

[**KZ**]

lets see how malaysian MD perform...

[zia.ufrida]

lets see how malaysian MD perform...

Malaysia send a lot of players. Is BAM so rich? :)

[tino4]

wow.....jens and martin lost in MD to shen ye/ he hanbin....luluk and alven lost to lindley and langridge

what a shame for luluk/alven:mad: . They must be split up immediately....plz someone tells PBSI.....and PBSI should fetch TG and CW back ..as Freelance or something.....:)

[Loh]

Heheh.. then later the Msian players will quit and play for Singapore instead. :) Good deal huh?

Good for you, ants! I was hoping someone "politically strong" can make such an offer. :D

[taufik-ist]

huraaah taufik won and will meet LHI

let's keep supporting TH :)

[Dreamzz]

wow.....jens and martin lost in MD to shen ye/ he hanbin....luluk and alven lost to lindley and langridge

woah, that is a surpise! :eek: :eek:
this is the first time i've even heard of this chinese pair.
as for alven and luluk, hmmmm, maybe this is even more of a shocker!

where are you guys getting these results from, the KO open website hasn't even updated the scores yet ...

[taufik-ist]

woah, that is a surpise! :eek: :eek:
this is the first time i've even heard of this chinese pair.
as for alven and luluk, hmmmm, maybe this is even more of a shocker!

where are you guys getting these results from, the KO open website hasn't even updated the scores yet ...

many surprise results happen in KO 2006 :D

i think PBSI has punished ALVEN/LULUk too long,

and that has made alven/luluk's mental or spirit is down :rolleyes:


can anyone tell me the result of football match indonesia vs malaysia ? :D

[nugroho]

how do i see the result .. i mean where ?

[hara^kazuko]

yo, all the malaysians here... Ong Soon Hock and Tan Bing Shen won against the Thai pair, but Gan Teik Chai and Abdul Latif didn't have the luck against the korea number 1 pair, another malaysian scratch pair lost to an indonesian pair, lastly, KOO KIEN KEAT and CHAN CHONG MING defeated the british pair in staright sets easily

It's not a bad day for Malaysian men's doubles

[taufik-ist]

yo, all the malaysians here... Ong Soon Hock and Tan Bing Shen won against the Thai pair, but Gan Teik Chai and Abdul Latif didn't have the luck against the korea number 1 pair, another malaysian scratch pair lost to an indonesian pair, lastly, KOO KIEN KEAT and CHAN CHONG MING defeated the british pair in staright sets easily

It's not a bad day for Malaysian men's doubles

flandy/sigit will meet KKK/CCM, i hope they will beat mas pair like in SO 2006 :D

btw do u know the result of football match, indonesia vs malaysia ? :D

[EastDevil]

In his condition right now, the odds are against him. Hopefully Roslin and Chen Yu will not be his early opponent! :rolleyes:

Just goes to show how a player's form can change suddenly!

Yeah, not long ago, LCW was every malaysian fan's all-conquering invincible player of their dreams while all other players are dirt. The night is short and before anybody know it, it's time to wake up to reality again.

[Jessica]

Wow...this KO really has a lot of surprise...But anyway...things are always changing in this world...So,just continue ot watch it...It may be more changes tomorrow...So...post some of your opinion..I think LD now must be watching all the strange things now....And planning for something...I am just guessing...

[2cents]

The #1 MD Erksen and Lundgaard lost to a mixed double He and She?:eek:

and they lost misearably, in only 30 minutes, straight sets 21:12, 21:17.

Who are He and She? :eek: She is much better than the best men:eek:

[Jessica]

Oh...2cents...i am already fainted before and wake up again...Its too many many shocked things happened in just a day...I think this KO is the most memorable event this year...Do you all agree???

[Chu Liuxiang]

Wow...this KO really has a lot of surprise...But anyway...things are always changing in this world...So,just continue ot watch it...It may be more changes tomorrow...So...post some of your opinion..I think LD now must be watching all the strange things now....And planning for something...I am just guessing...

For LCW, win or lost in KO early rounds, it doesn't matter, he will overtake Lin Dan as world no.1 by tomorrow.:D For Lin Dan, he will wonder why he still fal behind LCW in world ranking.

[shadowind]

The #1 MD Erksen and Lundgaard lost to a mixed double He and She?:eek:

and they lost misearably, in only 30 minutes, straight sets 21:12, 21:17.


:eek: !

...Maybe because Martin just recently recovered from a knee injury?

[2cents]

Oh...2cents...i am already fainted before and wake up again...Its too many many shocked things happened in just a day...I think this KO is the most memorable event this year...Do you all agree???

This KO has not been finished yet. :cool: :cool: :cool:

I would like keep watching :rolleyes:

Don't worry about too much about LCW, since his target is WC, and for Roslin, the target is now, at KO, to beat LCW, so they weighted their match differently. Just as I said, LCW was murdered. If he wanted to win, there would be no problem for him to beat Roslin. But LCW figured keeping health, and saving energy more important than winning at KO

[Jessica]

For LCW, win or lost in KO early rounds, it doesn't matter, he will overtake Lin Dan as world no.1 by tomorrow.:D For Lin Dan, he will wonder why he still fal behind LCW in world ranking.Really???:D He will become the world no 1 tomorrow...Have you counted...:D If like this,is this a tactic...:confused: :rolleyes: Leave all the imagination room for you all...:cool:

[Jessica]

Oh...is it this is for roslin to gain more points for his ranking???So...i think BAM decided to use him...Ha..ha..now my imagination run wild...:D :D

[Chu Liuxiang]

Really???:D He will become the world no 1 tomorrow...Have you counted...:D If like this,is this a tactic...:confused: :rolleyes: Leave all the imagination room for you all...:cool:
I think LCW is 37953 points while Lin Dan is 35803 points by tomorrow. But I did not count Peter Gade's points. :D

[event]

Day 3 seems to be a boring day. Waiting for the day 4 now.Today was anything but boring. Two seeded men's doubles pairs eliminated. The #2 woman and #1 man eliminated in singles. Lee Yun-hwa was perilously close to eliminating the #1 woman, too and the top seeds in women's doubles were in big trouble against Hwang Yu-mi and Ha Jung-eun for a while there, too. Sigit and Flandy took 3 games to win. I think you could count on two hands the number of matches that finished in 2 games. Even Taufik just scraped by against Bobby Milroy of Canada.

[blessing]

YES.... Wong Mew Choo has did it... MALAYSIAN shuttlers.. gambatte in ur coming rounds~~~!!! as 4 kBH & kkk & WPT... dun give up.. put more effort.. u sure can do it..coz u r..MALAYSIAN.. all da BESTto u all... =P

[2cents]

Today was anything but boring. Two seeded men's doubles pairs eliminated. The #2 woman and #1 man eliminated in singles. Lee Yun-hwa was perilously close to eliminating the #1 woman, too and the top seeds in women's doubles were in big trouble against Hwang Yu-mi and Ha Jung-eun for a while there, too. Sigit and Flandy took 3 games to win. I think you could count on two hands the number of matches that finished in 2 games. Even Taufik just scraped by against Bobby Milroy of Canada.

It seemed a lot of upsets in Day 3 than I expected. Both Men's singles and doubles #1 seeds are eliminated. I was wrong, there is no boring day at KO. Especially, mens double #1 lost to He and She. :cool:

Thanks for the photos. Keep sending more latest info about KO. :)

[ctjcad]

wow.....jens and martin lost in MD to shen ye/ he hanbin....luluk and alven lost to lindley and langridge

what a shame for luluk/alven:mad: . They must be split up immediately....plz someone tells PBSI.....and PBSI should fetch TG and CW back ..as Freelance or something.....:)
hmm, i wasn't surprised by this result at all..They've been inconsistent ever since last yr, after a pretty noticeable run in 2004. As a matter of fact, earlier this yr i was calling(in this forum) for both of them to be split up and paired with different partners; i believe just after EngHian/Flandy or Candra/Sigit split? if not just for a temporary change.
I think Luluk/Alven both have reached their "max" potential. Personally, from what i've seen on webcast or live, i feel Luluk is the "weaker" link.
As for PBSI going out and "fetching TG & CW as freelance etc." back, hmm, no, it won't happen and personally, i don't want it to happen. It's too late. Plus i think that'll sound a bit "desperate". Besides, both are already in their 30s and past "their prime". Personally, the wise move is for PBSI needs to seek and groom younger pairs in hope to compete with the future competitions.

[event]

Personally, the wise move is for PBSI needs to seek and groom younger pairs in hope to compete with the future competitions.For a start, they should send the younger pairs that are already showing promise, like Joko/Hendra and Yoga/Yonathan, to more big tournaments. I am reluctantly inclined to agree about Luluk and Alven. I like watching them play but I hate watching them lose so often.

[deROSE]

yo, all the malaysians here... Ong Soon Hock and Tan Bing Shen won against the Thai pair, but Gan Teik Chai and Abdul Latif didn't have the luck against the korea number 1 pair, another malaysian scratch pair lost to an indonesian pair, lastly, KOO KIEN KEAT and CHAN CHONG MING defeated the british pair in staright sets easily

It's not a bad day for Malaysian men's doubles

Definitely not a bad day for Malaysian men's doubles.Hopefully the winning streak for kkk-ccm continues.WHO are they up against next?

[ctjcad]

Definitely not a bad day for Malaysian men's doubles.Hopefully the winning streak for kkk-ccm continues.WHO are they up against next?
KKK and CCM will next play the Pelatnas veterans in Flandy Limpele & Sigit Budiarto(in round of 16). And if they happen to beat the 2 senior pair, then they'll await the winner between another ex-Pelatnas' seniors in Tony G./Candra W. and XieZB/GuoZD.
So, the road won't be easy for KKK/CCM..;)

[Jessica]

Anyway,i hope they can win and espiacally WMC must win...I can see some hope in MAS women singles...

[tbleong]

as i said, if LCW want to save energy for the HO, he should not participate! dun spoil his world no 2 name, and i dun think Roslin can win the KO!

[coolman]

candra wijaya respresent US ???he just left indo, so fast grant citizenship from us ?

[hcyong]

I think LCW is 37953 points while Lin Dan is 35803 points by tomorrow. But I did not count Peter Gade's points. :D

I think Lin Dan's, LCW's and Gade's points will remain exactly the same after the Korean Open.

You probably dropped the points from last year's WC. Remember the new ranking ruling is that those points will not be dropped until this year's WC has ended.

Last year, none of the big stars played in the Korean Open, so they will not drop points after this KO, but HKO is a different case. We shall see when the time comes.

[ctjcad]

candra wijaya respresent US ???he just left indo, so fast grant citizenship from us ?
You can check this thread for the possible reason on why Candra is given USA as the country of representation (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=420855#post420855)(post #11)..

[Chu Liuxiang]

I think Lin Dan's, LCW's and Gade's points will remain exactly the same after the Korean Open.

You probably dropped the points from last year's WC. Remember the new ranking ruling is that those points will not be dropped until this year's WC has ended.

Last year, none of the big stars played in the Korean Open, so they will not drop points after this KO, but HKO is a different case. We shall see when the time comes.

No, my earlier calculation and forecasting was correct. LCW is no.1 today and LD second. :D

[taufik-ist]

No, my earlier calculation and forecasting was correct. LCW is no.1 today and LD second. :D

if lin dan win HK open, he will be # 1 again

[court_king]

That ranking system is completely useless for outside observers... especially when the Olympic and world champ is ranked far below...hmmm.. let say KBH and Hafiz... that's ridiculous!!!

When I look at rankings, I assume that the #1 guy can usually defeat the guys rank 11+ for example, not because the #1 guy play more tournaments even when he got eliminated early twice in the same year.

[Chu Liuxiang]

if lin dan win HK open, he will be # 1 again

Under current ranking system, even if Lin Dan win HK Open, Lin Dan will not be able to be world no.1 because Lin Dan was 2005 HK Open champion, so, 2006 HK Open points will be counted and 2005 HK Open points to be deleted. So, Lin Dan points in world ranking will be remain unchange if he is 2006 HK Open champion.
If Lin Dan lost to someone ( maybe Taufik Hidayat) and unable to become HK Open champion 2006, then, his current points to be calculated while 2005 HK Open champion points to be deleted. Then, Lin Dan will suffer a drop in his world ranking points.

In short, it seems that Lin Dan is unable to overtake LCW before WC 2006. Most likely LCW will become the top seed in World Championship if he can reach semifinal in HK Open 2006.:D

[wirre]

I haven't cared to look up how the ranking system is setup for badminton. But there is nothing wrong at all if an olympic and/or world champion is a bit down in the rankinglist. His/her medals only shows that in that final in that tournament he/she *was* the best. So everyone knows that this guy/gal is possible to beat whoever, but not how often IOW how consistent.

To be ranked No1 in the world you have to show that over a long run of tournaments you can produce. To win a championship is much easier....... any aussie might remember Steven Bradbury :D .

And in sports infected by doping it would be too easy to just come to the championships making amazing results and never ever be apparent in any other competition. Thus why track and field are very suspicious and never ranks anyone at the top based on a single (or very few) results.

However I agree that Taufik is a more talented player than most. And maybe it would be better to use a similar ranking system as snooker. It is based on a two year period. Thus allowing the good players now and then to play a little less - have some less good tournaments. And they also have an "inofficial" yearly ranking which shows who's been in best form over the last season.

I also think some few selected tournaments (4 each year?) should award substantial more ranking points, of which the players are able to count only the three best. Thus a player like Taufik doesn't need to play every tournament on the circus, but still enough to keep a decent ranking.

/mats


That ranking system is completely useless for outside observers... especially when the Olympic and world champ is ranked far below...hmmm.. let say KBH and Hafiz... that's ridiculous!!!

When I look at rankings, I assume that the #1 guy can usually defeat the guys rank 11+ for example, not because the #1 guy play more tournaments even when he got eliminated early twice in the same year.

[event]

Under current ranking system, even if Lin Dan win HK Open, Lin Dan will not be able to be world no.1 because Lin Dan was 2005 HK Open champion, so, 2006 HK Open points will be counted and 2005 HK Open points to be deleted. So, Lin Dan points in world ranking will be remain unchange if he is 2006 HK Open champion.
If Lin Dan lost to someone ( maybe Taufik Hidayat) and unable to become HK Open champion 2006, then, his current points to be calculated while 2005 HK Open champion points to be deleted. Then, Lin Dan will suffer a drop in his world ranking points.

In short, it seems that Lin Dan is unable to overtake LCW before WC 2006. Most likely LCW will become the top seed in World Championship if he can reach semifinal in HK Open 2006.:DActually, once you strip off the WC and HKO points from last year, as will go into effect with next week's ranking, Lee will have 35073 points and Lin Dan will have 30403. Lee will get 1350 from the Korea Open but will lose 900 from the Thailand Open because the IBF only uses the top ten results. From that starting point, then, Lin Dan's points can increase by 5200 if he wins the Hong Kong Open. That will put him marginally ahead of Lee Chong Wei. Lee can only increase his points by advancing in the Hong Kong Open such that he gets more than 2500 points because in order to add HKO points, he has to drop his #10 finish from the last twelve months which will be 2100 points and he would have to increase his point total by over 200 to catch Lin. If Lin doesn't win in Hong Kong, he will not be #1 going into the Worlds even if Lee doesn't play in Hong Kong. If Lin does win, Lee has to make the quarter-finals in order to stay #1. Also, if Lee doesn't play in HK, Chen Jin could move to #1 if and only if he wins the Hong Kong Open.

[hcyong]

Under current ranking system, even if Lin Dan win HK Open, Lin Dan will not be able to be world no.1 because Lin Dan was 2005 HK Open champion, so, 2006 HK Open points will be counted and 2005 HK Open points to be deleted. So, Lin Dan points in world ranking will be remain unchange if he is 2006 HK Open champion.
If Lin Dan lost to someone ( maybe Taufik Hidayat) and unable to become HK Open champion 2006, then, his current points to be calculated while 2005 HK Open champion points to be deleted. Then, Lin Dan will suffer a drop in his world ranking points.

In short, it seems that Lin Dan is unable to overtake LCW before WC 2006. Most likely LCW will become the top seed in World Championship if he can reach semifinal in HK Open 2006.:D

You were right. They dropped the WC 2005 ranking, that's why Lin Dan dropped points. But I thought your logic for the HKO will be the same for WC, ie. that they will only drop WC2005 points after the WC2006. Apparently not. I still do not have a clear idea how the new ranking works.

[Jessica]

Sometime we can't depends much on the ranking...It's doesn't means that the players with the lower ranking can't beat the top ranking players..It did happens and espiacally this KO...So,anything will happen in this world...Ranking is just a results for players and remind them to play well to get good ranking...

[Loh]

Sometime we can't depends much on the ranking...It's doesn't means that the players with the lower ranking can't beat the top ranking players..It did happens and espiacally this KO...So,anything will happen in this world...Ranking is just a results for players and remind them to play well to get good ranking...

Sorry for the diversion, but I can't help noticing that you like to use the letter "s" in the wrong places, unfortunately. :D

[X Ball]

Sorry for the diversion, but I can't help noticing that you like to use the letter "s" in the wrong places, unfortunately. :D

Jessica, are u doing it on purpose or are u very bad in English ?

[hcyong]

Please, there is no need to comment on other people's English here. This is a badminton forum. As long as we understand each other, that should be ok.

[tbleong]

Hey,, Pls Dun Comment Other People English!!! We Are Here Not Learning English, We Are Here For Dicuss! Ok;;;;

[pramilainc]

That would be counter-intuitive to IBF current line of thought; I think IBF wants top ranked players to play more and more, which would be better for everyone, like fans and sponsors (probly not the players themselves). What you suggest will encourage them to do exactly opposite..

I think its also not fair by the players themselves. LD, LCW n PG likes play throughout the year to give us some quality badminton, It doesn't seem right if Taufik just appears for Olympics n WC and claims he's #1.

I for one think current ranking system works well. My only complain is that those whom seem to under perform dun seem to slide down fast enough.



...
However I agree that Taufik is a more talented player than most. And maybe it would be better to use a similar ranking system as snooker. It is based on a two year period. Thus allowing the good players now and then to play a little less - have some less good tournaments. And they also have an "inofficial" yearly ranking which shows who's been in best form over the last season.

I also think some few selected tournaments (4 each year?) should award substantial more ranking points, of which the players are able to count only the three best. Thus a player like Taufik doesn't need to play every tournament on the circus, but still enough to keep a decent ranking.

/mats

[Chu Liuxiang]

You were right. They dropped the WC 2005 ranking, that's why Lin Dan dropped points. But I thought your logic for the HKO will be the same for WC, ie. that they will only drop WC2005 points after the WC2006. Apparently not. I still do not have a clear idea how the new ranking works.

My understanding could be wrong on the new ranking system.
2005 HK Open ended in November 2005 which is less than 12 months by Sept 2006. Take LD as examples, if Lin Dan does not participates in HK Open 2006, he will retain his 2005 HK Open Champion points because it is within the last 12 months.
If LD participates in HK Open 2006, whether he likes it or not, his 2005 HK Open championship points to be replaced by 2006 HK Open points.
Therefore, if LD lose out to Taufik Hidayat in round 2 HK Open, he gained round 2 points and loose out championship points. If he retain his HK Open title, his points will remain unchange as only one same tournament points in the last 12 months to be calculated. :D

[taufik-ist]

Please, there is no need to comment on other people's English here. This is a badminton forum. As long as we understand each other, that should be ok.

i agree with u, hcyong

this is not english class :D ,
wrong grammar is ok as long as we understand :D

[Loh]

Jessica, are u doing it on purpose or are u very bad in English ?

I don't think she did it on purpose. It's just carelessness, like "unforced error" in badminton. :D

[hcyong]

My understanding could be wrong on the new ranking system.
2005 HK Open ended in November 2005 which is less than 12 months by Sept 2006. Take LD as examples, if Lin Dan does not participates in HK Open 2006, he will retain his 2005 HK Open Champion points because it is within the last 12 months.
If LD participates in HK Open 2006, whether he likes it or not, his 2005 HK Open championship points to be replaced by 2006 HK Open points.
Therefore, if LD lose out to Taufik Hidayat in round 2 HK Open, he gained round 2 points and loose out championship points. If he retain his HK Open title, his points will remain unchange as only one same tournament points in the last 12 months to be calculated. :D

Based on my understanding, Lin Dan's HK2005 points will be deducted after HK2006 whether or not he takes part in HK2006.

[wirre]

That would be counter-intuitive to IBF current line of thought; I think IBF wants top ranked players to play more and more, which would be better for everyone, like fans and sponsors (probly not the players themselves). What you suggest will encourage them to do exactly opposite..


Sorry I didn't elaborate enough on that one. What I meant was that a few selected tournaments (not counting championships) should award substantial more points to the SF/F, not earlier stages. Thus it is still necessary to do well in those tournaments. In the long run this will benefit the better players so the ranking system reflects both quality and quantity. Still it's not possible for a gifted player like Taufik to produce only in a championship to claim the No1 ranking.

Reversly they could lower the prize money in those tournaments. So from a business point of view there is a big incitament to also play (and do well) in the tournaments which gives more money (but less ranking points).

But I have no beef with how the ranking works today, actually I couldn't care less.

One thing I personally would like to see however is that the seeding in each tournament (excluding championships) is based on ranking points earned on the last 2-3 tournaments before. Thus it will reflekt and award who is in form or not (and has been competing recently). In championships seeding should follow ranking over a longer period as it is today.

/mats

[event]

Based on my understanding, Lin Dan's HK2005 points will be deducted after HK2006 whether or not he takes part in HK2006.Right. There are three possible reasons why a player's points from a past tournament would be excluded from the ranking points total.

1) The tournament in question started more than 12 months ago.

2) This year's edition of the tournament in question has already started.

3) The tournament in question was the player's 10th best result in the last 12 months and the player has just acquired more points from a tournament that just finished.

Lin Dan's points from being runner-up in last year's WC came off this week because it's been 12 months since the 2005 WC started. His 2006 HK Open points will come off next week because the 2006 Hong Kong Open will have started by then.

[blessing]

Under current ranking system, even if Lin Dan win HK Open, Lin Dan will not be able to be world no.1 because Lin Dan was 2005 HK Open champion, so, 2006 HK Open points will be counted and 2005 HK Open points to be deleted. So, Lin Dan points in world ranking will be remain unchange if he is 2006 HK Open champion.
If Lin Dan lost to someone ( maybe Taufik Hidayat) and unable to become HK Open champion 2006, then, his current points to be calculated while 2005 HK Open champion points to be deleted. Then, Lin Dan will suffer a drop in his world ranking points.

In short, it seems that Lin Dan is unable to overtake LCW before WC 2006. Most likely LCW will become the top seed in World Championship if he can reach semifinal in HK Open 2006.:Dcan sum1 give me a clear briefing or a kindly explaination on da world rankings points system...? i got a little bit blur n coufuse abt it... :confused: add here add there...seems like quite complicated...hehe.. :o

[hcyong]

Right. There are three possible reasons why a player's points from a past tournament would be excluded from the ranking points total.

1) The tournament in question started more than 12 months ago.

2) This year's edition of the tournament in question has already started.

3) The tournament in question was the player's 10th best result in the last 12 months and the player has just acquired more points from a tournament that just finished.

Lin Dan's points from being runner-up in last year's WC came off this week because it's been 12 months since the 2005 WC started. His 2006 HK Open points will come off next week because the 2006 Hong Kong Open will have started by then.

Yes, totally agree. That is my current assumption also. I would put it like this.

1) A tournament's ranking points will NOT be eligible if awarded more than 12 months ago. (Or 52 weeks - depends on what criteria IBF uses.)

2) A tournament's ranking points will NOT be eligible if the ranking points for the current year's edition of the tournament has been awarded. This is true whether or not the player took part in the current year's edition.

3) Of all the tournaments that are eligible, only the player's 10 best tournaments will count towards the player's ranking. This includes at most 1 team tournament that can count towards the player's ranking.

Briefly, the previous system is only (1) and (3). The new system includes (2). Personally, I don't like (2) for reasons which I think are valid. But I don't deeply dislike it because I think there are some valid reasons for it as well.

[hcyong]

Sorry I didn't elaborate enough on that one. What I meant was that a few selected tournaments (not counting championships) should award substantial more points to the SF/F, not earlier stages. Thus it is still necessary to do well in those tournaments. In the long run this will benefit the better players so the ranking system reflects both quality and quantity. Still it's not possible for a gifted player like Taufik to produce only in a championship to claim the No1 ranking.


I think the current ranking system also benefit the better players. But I agree with you that the points for reaching the final stages should be higher than it is currently. But how much higher? It is arbitrary.



Reversly they could lower the prize money in those tournaments. So from a business point of view there is a big incitament to also play (and do well) in the tournaments which gives more money (but less ranking points).


The tournaments which award the highest ranking points does not give prize money at all. So, you can't lower them.



One thing I personally would like to see however is that the seeding in each tournament (excluding championships) is based on ranking points earned on the last 2-3 tournaments before. Thus it will reflekt and award who is in form or not (and has been competing recently). In championships seeding should follow ranking over a longer period as it is today.
/mats

This is tricky. For example, say I am the undisputed best player in the world and also world no 1. But the last two tournaments I played in are small ones due to some obligations. Those two tournaments won't even count in my rankings because they are outside my top 10 best tournaments. Should my seeding for the next tournament be penalised just because I took part in some small tournaments?

I think the current seeding system is fair and simple enough.