Had anyone had long term experience with winnex?
if so, did you find it good....and how do they compare with other brands such as yang yang, karakal, yonex etc.
any info is appreciated!
cos my ti7 just broke, and if it is possible to have it exchanged, i was curious on how one of these winex racquets played
thnx.

your Ti-7 broke already? i thought you just bought it?

how did it break?

ya i just got it....
well before i tell u how i broke it, let me tell u the string tension(if it has anything to do with it).
its bg85 25cross 23main.
ok so i was rallying.....with a friend...just doing underhand clears from the baseline...
eventually, the bg85 strings snapped on me(2 strings on the main).
i didnt miss hit.....i hit the sweet spot and the strings snapped....so i learned one thing: DONT USE BG85 FOR NYLON EVER AGAIN...anyway, after further inspection, i found that my frame cracked at the 12 o clock position....on the underside of the frame(where the bottom of the grommets are).
so i figure, the racquet had to have something wrong with it prior to me using it, otherwise it shouldnt have broken like this....
btw, i bought a ti7 DEMO from yos....so ya, other ppl have used it before i have

is it the 3U or 2U version? the 3U one is really flimsy, and IMHO, 23/25 is a bit high for that.

and the 12 o'clock position is the weakest part of a racket, it is really just wedged and glued together, most of the structural strength is being held by the middle 2 or 4 main strings. if any of those breaks, the total tension of the cross strings will squish the racket frame and it will easily snap right there. i have seen it before. it is not unheard of that the string breaks and the racket snaps with it right there.

so i believe that's just bad luck this time..... please. :)

lol ok so its just bad luck for me....
i believe it......i broke 2 main strings.....and those 2 strings are pretty much in the middle of the racquet. and ya, i got the 3u version...so...how do winnex play? lol

Winex.. well. winex is like the men's singles players nowadays. once in a while, a good one will appear, then the rest of the time, they are all just mediocore.

while Yonex is like Peter Gade, all the time dependable and above average, but only sometimes outstanding.

I used 1 Winex Aerodynamic 200 for quite a while. Its not bad but too light. For today, i start to depend more and more on smashing and occasional trick shots. I actually tried quite a few today when i was playing with Gladius and Modious and some others. What Kwun said is true, very few of their rackets are good. And i've come across none, so far that have beaten my Slim-10 and Ti-7.

hmm i'll pass on the winex idea then.....
thanx for the replies guys

yeah. actually, if you dig through the reviews, you will find that i liked the Kevlar999. that was the days when i used to believe in ultra-light rackets, and it was a good and light racket.

but nowadays, i am back to heavier ones.

i'm scared of light racquets after this ti7 incident....3u is bad, anything under 2u is scary lol

My ti7 is covered under warrenty wohooo

kwun, you would make a great teacher/coach if u want to be.

i'm happy 4 u shaun. Dont know why so many bad incidents happened to u lately. Were u a naugthy boy in previous life?

IMO, i still think it is related to stringer's skill. The ti-7 shouldn't crack like that if the bg85 broke. One cant blame it on bg85. bg85 dont last as long as thicker string but breaking it after a few rally is likely caused by string got damaged during stringing. Even fishing line would last longer than a few rally. I have a client who i do his TiSP SS with bg85 for about a year now. He and i play plastic mavis 300 and his bg85 lasted about 2.25 months per string. He plays twice a week and 3.5 hrs each time. He is an adult player and i say his smashes are average.

also your ti-7 shouldnt snap like that if the string broke. Remember, not all stringer string them at specified weight, they just tell you but u cant tell what they REALLY did on the operating table, i mean on the stringing machine.

Look at peter gade's slim 10 at 31 lbs and CM's ti-10 at 28lbs. Are we gonna say that they snap his racket everytime their string broke? I'm sure men doubles pros's racket are all strung at over 27- 33lbs. I have strung lots of 3U's b4 but have not seen those racket broke, yet. (except in hard racket clashes).

kwun, are u saying that badminton rackets are put together in 2 pieces? That's new to me but i do admit i dont know everything :)

well one thing i know for sure cooler, is that yo sports uses an electronic digital stringing machine....so my requested tension is exact....because it is the machine that pulls the strings...
it could be the fact that i had bought a demo, and that the demo had problems with it previously...OR like kwun has mentioned, the main strings broke, so the crosses pulled the frame together and the 12 o clock position just cracked in the process

does yo sports strings tennis, squash and racketball rackets too?

yes they do

i'm pretty sure it wasn't yo's fault in this case cos he uses a constant pull machine($6000-$10000) with 6 thing to hold the racket down....all this doesn't matter cos it was the player's fault, which is me! the racket was strung with bg85 at 25lb which is considered pretty high especially for less than intermediate players like me and shaun. since i'm not that experienced of a player i'm mishit quite often from the sweetspot and when the ti7 also cracked after i switched from a mp77....considering that i'm not so experienced, the bg85 was at 25lb, since bg85 is a thin string the tension gets leveled even higher, and i just switched from a mp77 to ti7(diff frame, length....etc.), and i mishited near the top(12 o'clock)....i think the strings was bound to break.
and like kwun and yoko said, when the string break at that part, all the tension from the cross strings no longer has the main strings to balance them therefore puts all teh tension and pull on the tip and bottom of racket....and obviously the top will break first knowing the top is thiner and i hitted near the top.
i still feel pretty bad breaking shaun's racket and the string but he's getting another one from warranty so doesn't matter anymore...^_^

Does Yo's have a website?

carbon fiber is essentially pieces of paper rolled and glued together to form the frame. so to form the loop shaped racket head, there must be a joining part some where.... or am i complete out of my mind here?

i thought the frame (oval and isometric shapes) is constructed in one continuous piece and attached to the shaft using nippon patented method. I personnally can't see a 2 piece frame can hold the stress of badminton. I still think the frame 12 o'clock position is molded continuously from the left side to the right side of the frame.

no. you are right. i just took my Aerotus 110 that was sitting on the wall, broke it apart. and indeed there are fibers that runs along and across the top joint.

(how''s that for a proof? :) )

but i am still curioius why there is a "join" at the top of the racket. if you look closely at the 12 o'clock position, between the two grommets, you can see sign that it was joined together. may be that is just the surface layer? or artifact of the painting process?

incidentally, i am surprised that the fiber that runs along the core of the racket frame. they are surprisingly tough. i always remembered that carbon fiber are inherently brittle, it is the resin that holds things together (kinda like the force, isn't it?). but no, the fibers can be twisted a lot of times before it snaps.

oh, or am i thinking of glass fiber here? probably.

geez kwun, breaking a racket to prove a point is very admirable :)
As a stringer, i have seen many broken rackets and have asked each owner how it was broken.

The outside ridge located at 12 o'clock u r referring to is, i think, an external marker, maybe to assist stringers to locate the middle point of the racket, just like a raised ridge on the J key of your pc keyboard, and does not indicate anything about its internal makeup. Yes, yonex also put a colored dot inside the middle point of some racket models concurrently with the exteranl ridge. I do not think that exteranl ridge is an imperfection as remaining part of the racket is nicely polished and painted. The funny thing is that i see the ridge mostly in aerotus and some isometric rackets, some fainter than other while aerotus are most pronounce.

carbon fiber is somewhat brittle but not brittle as glass but less brittle then other synethic fibers like kelvar. remember, brittleness is also f(diameter) and how fiber is bounded/weaved together.

haha, the racket was already broken. so...

i love my rackets a bit too much (plus they are a bit too expensive) to break one for educational purposes...

the frame appears to be made up of two parts, the core where there are soft and tough fibers running longitudinal to the frame, this is to hold the the whole racket together. and there is the outer layers, where there are stiff but brittle layers, for strength.

kinda reminds me of steel reinforced concrete. brittle but stiff concrete on the outer for strength, tough steel rod in the inner for structural integrity.

wow kwun thats kool lol.
u broke a racquet just to find out about the joint thing....so now that u have discovered that there is no joint, is there still an existing explanation as to why my ti7 broke the way it did? I'm getting it replaced with a 2u instead cos i figure that 3u would be quite a bit weaker.

regardless of whether there is a joint there. it is still the highest stress point on a racket frame if you break the center main strings. so the question is really, if the center main strings broke, is it normal for the racket to crack at the 12 o'clock position. well, i think it is not unusual. given the 3U spec and the tension you strung it at...

if you want to stick with MP77. i'd agree that you should get the 2U. let us know how it compares with the 3U, ok?

yep i'll let u know!
but for now, i'm just using the ti7 in 2u lol....not mp77...that might come later...
and ya, it was my center main strings that broke...ok so thats why the 12 o clock cracked...
i wont string so high next time then, i dont want the same thing happening again.

oh. i meant Ti-7. not MP77. :)


btw, you also mentioned that it was strung with a electronic machines? constant pull machines like electronic machine usually pull the string tighter than crank machines. so that means your string could be at 25/27 for crank machines.

too bad you dissected your AR110, kwun.

I reuse them after repairing them, the expensive ones only.

wow! kwun you broke the aerotus110 just to prove your theory? i would never do that to one of my rackets cos i hardly have any anywayz.
i asked yoko(yo's) about this after i read this thread and if i didn't get him wrong i think he said that two piece frame construction is not true for all the yonex rackets...some are one piece and he said itz quite obvious if you just look at the paint...and i found out that mp and cab are one piece while all the iso including ti series are two piece. yoko said they just melt the tip together with heat or sumthing like that for the two piece ones

nah. if i repair all my rackets, what excuse would i use to buy new ones? :)


besides, it crumpled because i strung it too tight, it cracked at two places, 12 o'clock and 1 o'clock. i wonder if it naturally cracking at exactly the 12 o'clock position is a coincidence or not.

actually, itz the other way around....the constant pull machines are the most accurate stringing machines while the other pull string and drop weight machines are not so accurate...so the other machine's end result tension depends on the stringer while the constant pull machine is very consistant since all the stringer do is type in the string tension

Harry just told me that yoko told him the mp55 plays just like the mp77 in his exerience....has anyone else had a similar experience? if this is true, i'll just get an mp55 as my back up ^_^ then i'll have a whopping 2 racquets!
and since the mp frames are one peice and the ti frames are not, the mp55 i can string at 25lb! wohooooo lol

harry, it is obvious that you haven't read previous threads on stringing and obviously you dont know why retailers buy electronic stringing machine. So, lets leave it at that.