Hong Kong Open 2006: Day 4 - QF (31/08)

[hcyong]

Predicted winners on the left

MS
Lin Dan v Taufik (MOTD!!!)
Kenneth v Sony
Boonsak v Chen Jin
Lee CW v Lee HI
So many good matches. I could get my predictions 100% wrong here.

WS
Zhang Ning v Yao Jie
Jiang Yanjiao v Pi Hongyan (motd)
Wang Chen v Tine Rasmussen
Xie Xingfang v Nedelcheva

MD
Kido/Setiawan v Sudket/Songpol
Guo/Xu v Sakamoto/Ikeda
Choong/Lee v Hoon/Tan
Fu/Cai v Tony/Chandra (MOTD!!!)

WD
Gao/Huang v Du/Yu (motd)
Zhang/Wei v Chien/Cheng
Emms/Kellogg v Nedelcheva/Dimova
Yang/Zhang v Chin/Wong

XD
Zhang/Gao v Shirley/Quay
Zheng/Zhao v He/Yu
Xie/Zhang v Clark/Kellogg
Widianto/Natsir v Sudket/Saralee (motd)

[elwin81]

Yang/Zhang v Chin/Wong again after last week in KO.
Have the MAS pair gain enough experience from the last match?

Choong/Lee v Hoon/Tan again. If I am not wrong the last time that met is in Malaysia Open this year with a 3 setters to Chong/Lee.

Lee CW v Lee HI. The korean is in top form now.

Lin Dan v Taufik. Can Taufik shut LD mouth this time?

[hcyong]

Yang/Zhang v Chin/Wong again after last week in KO.
Have the MAS pair gain enough experience from the last match?

It's not about experience. They're basically just not good enough to take on the top ranks. They can steal some matches here and there, but there is no quality to threaten them continuously, as compared to say Korea's Lee/Lee.

[elwin81]

It's not about experience. They're basically just not good enough to take on the top ranks. They can steal some matches here and there, but there is no quality to threaten them continuously, as compared to say Korea's Lee/Lee.

Yes, u r right. I wish they spot the weaknesses of this Chinese pair and give them a good fight as no one is perfect.

[Jessica]

Sigh..The unlucky wd meet the china top pair again...Its seem very hard for them to win...Wow..tomorrow Ms sure is a very very exciting match...You all must be guessing who is the winner between LD and Taufik and LCW and LHI..So..stay tuned..The Mas MD sure has one seat in the semi-finals..I thibk is Lee/Chong..

[badMania]

MEN'S SINGLES
Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- Lin Dan should win, but, Taufik could surprise us.

Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Kenneth Jonassen -- I am rooting for Sony to win!

Boonsak Ponsana vs Chen Jin -- the Chinese player to win.

Lee Hyun Il vs Lee Chong Wei -- yet again a meeting between these 2 players...Lee to prevail...as usual!

MEN'S DOUBLES
Sudket Prapakamol/Songpol Anukritayawan vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan -- a tricky tie for Kido/Hendra, but, they should manage and reach their second consecutive semi-finals.

Shuichi Sakamoto/Shintaro Ikeda vs Guo Zhendong/Xu Chen -- the Chinese pair should have an advantage, esp after the impressive victory over Luluk/Alvent.

Hoon Thien How/Tan Boon Heong vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah -- they have met in the final of the ABC earlier this year and the veteran won that time.

Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- a thrilling match in store....veterans vs young guns. Tony/Candra seem to be able to beat the young guns they have met so far (Kido/Hendra, Lee/Hwang, Guo/Xie). If they can beat Fu/Cai tomorrow, they should win the title.

WOMEN'S SINGLES
Zhang Ning vs Yao Jie (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- the world no 1 to win!

Jiang Yanjiao vs Pi Hongyan -- likewise, the Chinese player to win!

Tine Rasmussen vs Wang Chen -- Wang is the only local player left in the tournament. She should win!
Petya Nedeltcheva vs Xie Xingfang --

WOMEN'S DOUBLES
Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Du Jing/Yu Yang -- the more senior pair to win.

Chien Yu-Chin/Cheng Wen-Hsing vs Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- the Chinese pair has the edge.

Saralee Thoungthongkam/Sathinee Jankrajangwong vs Gail Emms/Donna Kellogg -- a tough match for both pairs. The Thai pair to win!

Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui vs Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen -- the Chinese to win!

MIXED DOUBLES
Zhang Jun/Gao Ling vs Daniel Shirley/Joanna Quay Swee Ling -- the no 1 seed should not have a problem.

Zheng Bo/Zhao Tingting vs He Hanbin/Yu Yang -- the more senior pair to win!

Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg vs Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen -- likewise, the Chinese pair holds an edge.

Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam vs Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- regardless of who win the HK Open, I think Nova/Butet is guaranteed the top seeding at the upcoming WC since thay have at least reached the QF. They should win and face their nemesis Xie/Zhang in the SF.

[**KZ**]

i hope malaysiana can win...neway....merdeka to all malaysians!!

[terry]

Yeah ... to all Malaysian ...Happy Merdeka and Happy Holiday!.

Good luck to LCW!

[cao ci dan]

Predicted winners on the left

MS
Lin Dan v Taufik
MD
Fu/Cai v Tony/Chandra
:eek: tough tough....but i pick LD and Fu/Cai...:cool:

[ctjcad]

MEN'S DOUBLES
Sudket Prapakamol/Songpol Anukritayawan vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan -- a tricky tie for Kido/Hendra, but, they should manage and reach their second consecutive semi-finals.

Shuichi Sakamoto/Shintaro Ikeda vs Guo Zhendong/Xu Chen -- the Chinese pair should have an advantage, esp after the impressive victory over Luluk/Alvent.

Hoon Thien How/Tan Boon Heong vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah -- they have met in the final of the ABC earlier this year and the veteran won that time.

Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- a thrilling match in store....veterans vs young guns. Tony/Candra seem to be able to beat the young guns they have met so far (Kido/Hendra, Lee/Hwang, Guo/Xie). If they can beat Fu/Cai tomorrow, they should win the title.
Looking at all the matches, the QE Stadium SHOULD BE PACKED wall to wall & to the max...;) :)
I think the atmosphere should be close to a Finals day...

Re the MD match, i think even if Tony/Candra are able to pass thru vs. Fu/Cai, they'll have another veteran nemesis waiting for them in the Semis(if Lee/Choong are able to pass thru, which they should). So i wouldn't underestimate those 2 veterans. Then if they're able to beat the 2 MAS veteran pair in the Semis, i will be hoping & looking fw to their 3rd encounter vs. the up-and-coming Kido/Setiawan. Not to undemine their opponents, but the Pelatnas juniors should advance against their next opponents the QF and the SF Rds and hopefully setup another encounter & rematch with Tony/Candra in the Final...:rolleyes::cool:

[Cheung]

Looking at all the matches, the QE Stadium SHOULD BE PACKED wall to wall & to the max...;) :)
I think the atmosphere should be close to a Finals day...
:Matches start in the afternoon...when everybody is at work! Not sure, maybe there'll be lots of people having sick leave there. :D
Evening should be really packed out though..

[ctjcad]

Matches start in the afternoon...when everybody is at work! Not sure, maybe there'll be lots of people having sick leave there. :D
Evening should be really packed out though..
sigh, someone out there should know a link for the web broadcast...:p :( Esp. for us to watch the QF matches...Esp. considering it's in HK with China's access to broadcasting..I might sound desperate, but it's almost unbearable to see all those appetizing matches going on while we only can watch the score updates here...:p :crying: :(

[Dreamzz]

MS
Lin Dan v Taufik
Kenneth v Sony
Boonsak v Chen Jin
Lee CW v Lee HI

MD
Kido/Setiawan v Sudket/Songpol
Guo/Xu v Sakamoto/Ikeda
Choong/Lee v Hoon/Tan
Fu/Cai v Tony/Candra

here's what i think ...
although i would love to see TH beat LD!
i hope someone is recording the MD match between Fu/Cai v Tony/Candra.

[cao ci dan]

MS
Lin Dan v Taufik
Kenneth v Sony
Boonsak v Chen Jin
Lee CW v Lee Hyun Il
i'm going for the underdogs here:cool: yeah:D

[Will Ko]

nice, chen jin has a little rivalry between boonsak, i remember watching them in all england and it ended being 17-14,17-14 to chen jin, boonsak wanted revenge in a later tournament but lost again, this will be interesting and close in my opinion. Chen Jin to win!

I would also like to to sudket and saralee to progress!

[tehsham]

XD
Zhang/Gao v Shirley/Quay
Feel nice to note a Malaysian in the XD QF though looks like it will end in this QF match

[Baderz_Jas]

Wow... Lin Dan against Taufik!!!! It's gonna be interesting.
JIA YOU Lin Dan then:) :D

[jiayou]

Wow... Lin Dan against Taufik!!!! It's gonna be interesting.
JIA YOU Lin Dan then:) :D

jiayou said jiayou lin dan as well :D

[mhyytkdk]

XD
Zhang/Gao v Shirley/Quay
Feel nice to note a Malaysian in the XD QF though looks like it will end in this QF match:crying: :rolleyes: You may be surprise Shirley just lost his XD partner he may take Quay along to his present ranking be possitive;)

[event]

Lee Hyun Il vs Lee Chong Wei -- yet again a meeting between these 2 players...Lee to prevail...as usual!Lee to prevail. No kidding. There's a 100% chance of that. :D Concerning your actual prediction in bold, though, I'm not so sure. Lee Chong Wei has been struggling lately. It took him 3 games to beat the young Indian and of course he lost to Roslin last week. Lee Hyun-il could seize the opportunity this week, not that the Korean isn't prone to lacklustre performances himself.
Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam vs Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir (MATCH OF THE ROUND) -- regardless of who win the HK Open, I think Nova/Butet is guaranteed the top seeding at the upcoming WC since thay have at least reached the QF. They should win and face their nemesis Xie/Zhang in the SF.This is absolutely right. Even if they lose tomorrow and Zhang/Gao win the tournament, the Indonesians will be 330 points ahead and the current #1, Lee/Lee of Korea will be 1500 points back. Xie/Zhang, even if they were to pull off a win at this tournament, will still enter the WC ranked 9th in the world.

[indra]

Lin Dan v Taufik (MOTD!!!)
Fu/Cai v Tony/Chandra (MOTD!!!)

--->

Taufik will win :) .
Tony/Chandra will also win :)
Sony will win too :)
Nova/Butet will win as well:)

BRAVO INDONESIA:) :) :)

[wynn000]

i saw a news, it said tat China couple vs MAlysia couple (LD&XXF vs YEOH&WMC) it is wmc is LCW gf??

[Jaywhy]

i saw a news, it said tat China couple vs MAlysia couple (LD&XXF vs YEOH&WMC) it is wmc is LCW gf??
where you got this news? Link?

[wynn000]

http://www.bbeshop.com/news/2006/news_20060831d.htm

[wynn000]

姚基偏 is yeoh kay bin they wrong translate his name

[cooler]

had a date and place picked yet or is it just talk?

[badMania]

Matches start in the afternoon...when everybody is at work! Not sure, maybe there'll be lots of people having sick leave there. :D
Evening should be really packed out though..

Same as last year, the QFs will be split into two sessions, afternoon (1 or 2pm) and evening (starting from 7pm).

I remembered I was lucky to catch the last MTR train after watching the QF :eek:

[jiayou]

I remembered I was lucky to catch the last MTR train after watching the QF :eek:


hauahaheheha.a.... this time if you pass the MTR you can sleep in the hall, tomorrow you dont need to wake up early & go to the hall anymore.... :D

[ctjcad]

Matches start in the afternoon...when everybody is at work! Not sure, maybe there'll be lots of people having sick leave there. :D
Evening should be really packed out though..
..sigh, oh well, i guess we won't get any web broadcast of the QF day....:crying: wished if the QF lineup will be on Semifinals Day instead..:p:(

[Jessica]

W should find mikemike...Where are you...

[badMania]

Sigh....it's confirmed that I will only be able to fly back to HKG on Sunday...so that goes my plan to watch the HK Open Finals :crying:

On the other hand, I will now have time in the evening to watch the Singapore Satelitte today and tomorrow :cool:

[cooler]

In the women's singles, several Indonesian shuttlers suffered first-round losses. Fransiska Ratnasari fell to Anna Rice of Canada 20-22, 21-17, 24-22.. Next foe yao jie of NED will be very tough though:(

sonny kuncoro beat chen hong, that's a shocker.
Mrs. Kuncoro must be cheering sonny in hk:D

[iceberg]

any more results please.. :)

[xymaerts]

Can't wait to know the result for the match of LCW and LD... If LCW win, hmn... i will be very happy to watch LIVE on Semi-Final...

[Wildstone]

Lin Dan v Taufik (MOTD!!!)
Taufik will win :) .


yeah right........

[wynn000]

really hope taufik can beat LD !!

[CLELY]

All QF matches consist 2 session, here the complete schedule:
Session 1 : starting 02.00pm--HK time
02.00 XD : ZJ/GL vs Shirley/Quay ; HeHB/YuY vs ZhengB/ZhaoTT
02.40 WS: ZN vs YaoJ ; JiangYJ vs PiHY
03.20 MS: LD vs TH (most wanted match) ; Sony vs KJ
04.00 WD: GL/HS vs DuJ/YuY ; Cheng/Chien vs WeiYL/ZhangYW
04.40 MD: Sudket/Songpol vs Kido/Setiawan ;
Ikeda / Sakamoto vs GuoZD/XuC
Session 2 : starting 07.00pm
07.00 XD: Clark/Kellogg vs XieZB/ZhangYW
Sudket/Saralee vs Natsir/Widianto (most wanted match)
07.40 WS: Rasmussen vs WangC ; Nedelcheva vs XXF
08.20 MS: Ponsana vs CJ ; LeeHI vs LCW
09.00 MD: Gunawan/Wijaya vs CY/FHF (most wanted match)
WD: Wong/Chin vs YW/ZJW
09.40 MD: Hoon/Tan vs ChoongTF/LeeWW
WD: Nedelcheva/Dimova vs Emms/Kellogg
So,should be patient to know whole result until night.

[aiyuuw]

okay, so what time is NOW in HK time?

[ctjcad]

okay, so what time is NOW in HK time?
It's almost 3 pm...sorry, the 1st XD matches have started...;)
BTW, anyone has friends in HK who will be watching the games live, could you pass along the score updates??...:p i don't think there will be any web broadcast for this very tantalizing QF day..:p:(

[phaarix]

really hope taufik can beat LD !!

Yeah, I hope he gives it his all in this match. Would love to see him in the finals.

[pauline]

I'll go for Taufik and Tony/Candra..
and for all the Malaysian players in HKO,happy Merdeka and play your best in the matches!

[kurama]

any live online for lin dan and taufik match?

[indra]

any live online for lin dan and taufik match?

Here in Jakarta at 2:35 pm, what is Hongkong time?

[Linus]

Here in Jakarta at 2:35 pm, what is Hongkong time?

Hong Kong time = Singapore time = GMT +8.

So when Jakarta is at 2.35pm, Hong Kong is at 3.35pm.

[elwin81]

Sigh....it's confirmed that I will only be able to fly back to HKG on Sunday...so that goes my plan to watch the HK Open Finals :crying:

On the other hand, I will now have time in the evening to watch the Singapore Satelitte today and tomorrow :cool:

I thought final is on Saturday. You will miss all of it if you back to HK on sunday.

[ksooi]

wow...more drama with taufik...

Scores with lindan leading 3-1 1st set and a bad line call :( .....1st the lineslady called it out then changed her mind and called it in against taufik....taufik complained to the umpire......to no avail....then get the tournament referee involved.....guess they were not goin to overturn the decision :mad: ....taufik showed 3 fingers towards the lineslady mainly to tell her that seh needed glasses.....anbd then taufik shook hands with the referee, umpire and lindan and walked off....typical taufik character...kudos to this guy :) ......

crowd was dissapointed and started to jeer at taufik when he walked off......tournament referee got the same treatment a well.....looks like all those people that took time off to watch the match were really upset at it :( ....


report courtesy of cheung who is in the stadium this very moment :D

[xymaerts]

LD Vs Taufik match should be started... Any1 from Stadium can provide first hand result?

[elwin81]

wow...more drama with taufik...

Scores with lindan leading 3-1 1st set and a bad line call :( .....1st the lineslady called it out then changed her mind and called it in against taufik....taufik complained to the umpire......to no avail....then get the tournament referee involved.....guess they were not goin to overturn the decision :mad: ....taufik showed 3 fingers towards the lineslady mainly to tell her that seh needed glasses.....anbd then taufik shook hands with the referee, umpire and lindan and walked off....typical taufik character...kudos to this guy :) ......

crowd was dissapointed and started to jeer at taufik when he walked off......tournament referee got the same treatment a well.....looks like all those people that took time off to watch the match were really upset at it :( ....


report compliments of cheung who is in the stadium this very moment :D

Wao.........it is a typical TH. So, is that a good call or not?
I am so sorry to TH as he always got some bad calls against him.

[indra]

wow...more drama with taufik...

Scores with lindan leading 3-1 1st set and a bad line call :( .....1st the lineslady called it out then changed her mind and called it in against taufik....taufik complained to the umpire......to no avail....then get the tournament referee involved.....guess they were not goin to overturn the decision :mad: ....taufik showed 3 fingers towards the lineslady mainly to tell her that seh needed glasses.....anbd then taufik shook hands with the referee, umpire and lindan and walked off....typical taufik character...kudos to this guy :) ......

crowd was dissapointed and started to jeer at taufik when he walked off......tournament referee got the same treatment a well.....looks like all those people that took time off to watch the match were really upset at it :( ....


report courtesy of cheung who is in the stadium this very moment :D


WHat does it mean? Taufik did not continue and LD won?

[kwun]

Cheung took the day off? :D

i bet he got some nice pics of this incident.

what a pity as this is a highly anticipated match. i guess we will have to wait until the WC next month for another possible match between these two.

[xymaerts]

Wat!!?? U mean Taufik walk off?? Game Over?? He create another hot news on HK Open !!!!.. Tommorrow must be a hot and headline in NEWS !!!

[kemana]

WHat does it mean? Taufik did not continue and LD won?
seems so.....can't believe this:o

[madbad]

What a cop-out. Disappointed with Taufik's actions. Everybody gets bad line calls. Moreover, this was only at the beginning of the 1st set, a long way to go. I think he way over-reacted. My question: was he afraid to lose to LD and this was a convenient out for him?:rolleyes: . Again, another selfish Taufik decision which leaves a sour taste in the mouth of the spectators.

[kemana]

Cheung took the day off? :D

i bet he got some nice pics of this incident.

what a pity as this is a highly anticipated match. i guess we will have to wait until the WC next month for another possible match between these two.
i hope so, looking forward to this.haha

[ubite]

Anyone know the result :

XD - Zhang/Gao v Shirley/Quay

[ksooi]

Lindan's shot was in......red was sitting right behind the line :D ......

[2cents]

Wao.........it is a typical TH. So, is that a good call or not?
I am so sorry to TH as he always got some bad calls against him.

If someone always thinks the whole world against him, then that's his own problem.

Taufik is the problem boy. and he also has some kind of anti-Lindan sentiment. At this HK open, when reporters asked him who's strongest opponent, he mentioned LCW, Gade and some others. Then reporters asked, what about Lin Dan, then Taufik became angry, and said, never mention Lin Dan to him. What an attitude? What wrong with mentioning Lin Dan? Taufik is really a weird guy. Why he so dislikes or hates Lindan? and also let everybody knows?

[indra]

What a cop-out. Disappointed with Taufik's actions. Everybody gets bad line calls. Moreover, this was only at the beginning of the 1st set, a long way to go. I think he way over-reacted. My question: was he afraid to lose to LD and this was a convenient out for him?:rolleyes: . Again, another selfish Taufik decision which leaves a sour taste in the mouth of the spectators.

Blame it on the linelady and umpire:D .

I like the decision made by TH. There is no use in continuing the match when FROM THE BEGINNING the lineladies/men are against him....

The tournament committee should have anticipated this kind of possibility.
The umpire should have admitted that it is the linelady's first decision that should be valid, not the second one.

If only the umpire had realized the reputation at stake, the linelady should have been replaced immediately. Unfortunately, the umpire prefered defending the PARTIAL linelady to defending the reputation of the HO....

Again, it is clear what TH wanted is a fair play on the part of the umpire and linemen/ladies.

If I were the organizer, I would replace the umpire and linelady and asked TH and LD to play again from 0-0. As simple as that!!!!

[byelnats]

What the **** is wrong with Taufik! Honestly, I hate that guy now. Does he think everybody has to make a good call for him. Geez! He has some attitude problem. It really shames the Indonesian badminton. He already did that once in the Indonesian Open. The lineman called a shot from Bao Chunlai "in" and then he walked towards him, had a "good" chat and that lineman conveniently changed his mind like a minute later to "out". What the hell! If this is not someone's prank, that guy should be dropped off the Indonesian squad. We have been pampering him too much. What a SPOILED BRAT!

He should be prepared to have some line calls against him. It is only natural. He went inside the enemy's territory and should be prepared to face hostility. Just like players from other countries came to Indonesian Open. Bao Chunlai, Chen Yu are good example of people who were getting bad calls against them on Indonesian Open (Coincidentally against Taufik). Whenever players are playing away, they should mentally be prepared for things like this.

I think with the news recently that compared him with Lin Dan, he is afraid he will lose. So he intentionally walked out. Oh my GOD!!! I'm really frustrated now.

Sony, please win now.

[badMania]

Taufik decided to forfeit the match to Lin Dan after a bad call when the score was 3-1 to LD's advantage.

Expected...as he didn't really care about winning the HK Open anyway....

[peace]

Wooowww....what is he doing? Quite a shock for me, as I think everybody likes to watch that match.
Well, TH is an temperamental person. But, I still shock that just a bad call make him to leave the match.

[2cents]

Taufik decided to forfeit the match to Lin Dan after a bad call when the score was 3-1 to LD's advantage.

Expected...as he didn't really care about winning the HK Open anyway....

Maybe it's Taufik's way to promote a new scoring system, just 1 set, and only 3 points in a set. :D

[madbad]

Taufik decided to forfeit the match to Lin Dan after a bad call when the score was 3-1 to LD's advantage.

Expected...as he didn't really care about winning the HK Open anyway....
If that was the case, why bother showing up and wasting precious PBSI $$ :rolleyes: . Honestly, Taufik has to grow up. He can't even live with a simple line call (bad or not) and has to throw a tantrum every time. Deal with it and play on.

[madbad]

Maybe it's Taufik's way to promote a new scoring system, just 1 set, and only 3 points in a set. :D

He still lost :D

[byelnats]

I don't want to even read the newspaper tomorrow. He has just made a "sensation" without even becoming a champion. Well done :mad:! I wonder if PBSI is going to take any action.

[badMania]

If that was the case, why bother showing up and wasting precious PBSI $$ :rolleyes: . Honestly, Taufik has to grow up. He can't even live with a simple line call (bad or not) and has to throw a tantrum every time. Deal with it and play on.

I agree...its uncalled for! That is why players like Taufik never got my support....they are too emotional and hot-headed.

Plus, it's so early in the match and not even a critical point.

What matters is that Taufik DOES NOT WANT to be beaten by Lin Dan prior to the WC AGAIN! That is why he conveniently walked out of the match...what a selfish spoilt brat!

[madbad]

Imagine this taking place at an English football game. Seats would have been flying onto the pitch by now.

[byelnats]

Taufik is the problem boy. and he also has some kind of anti-Lindan sentiment. At this HK open, when reporters asked him who's strongest opponent, he mentioned LCW, Gade and some others. Then reporters asked, what about Lin Dan, then Taufik became angry, and said, never mention Lin Dan to him. What an attitude? What wrong with mentioning Lin Dan? Taufik is really a weird guy. Why he so dislikes or hates Lindan? and also let everybody knows?
The answer is very simple. Lin Dan is nicknamed "Super Lin" at one time and Taufik mentioned before he did not see any merit for him to be called that. In short, he is jealous of Lin Dan. Taufik always thinks that his accomplishment of winning World Champion and Olympic Gold Medal back to back is the best. It is true it is the best achievement a player can hope for, but apparently he is not happy that some people still say that he is inferior to Lin Dan. In other words, he wants to be unrivalled.

[Linus]

Blame it on the linelady and umpire:D .

I like the decision made by TH. There is no use in continuing the match when FROM THE BEGINNING the lineladies/men are against him....

The tournament committee should have anticipated this kind of possibility.
The umpire should have admitted that it is the linelady's first decision that should be valid, not the second one.

If only the umpire had realized the reputation at stake, the linelady should have been replaced immediately. Unfortunately, the umpire prefered defending the PARTIAL linelady to defending the reputation of the HO....

Again, it is clear what TH wanted is a fair play on the part of the umpire and linemen/ladies.

If I were the organizer, I would replace the umpire and linelady and asked TH and LD to play again from 0-0. As simple as that!!!!

We all know Indra is TH-biased, so not surprise to read this!:D

But serious though, could someone familiar with tournament rule pls clarify:

(1) When a line judge make a first call, and then change his/her mind and make a second and different call, is this allowed?
(2) Can the umpire insist the first call stand and ignore the second call?

Thanks

[madbad]

I agree...its uncalled for! That is why players like Taufik never got my support....they are too emotional and hot-headed.

Plus, it's so early in the match and not even a critical point.

What matters is that Taufik DOES NOT WANT to be beaten by Lin Dan prior to the WC AGAIN! That is why he conveniently walked out of the match...what a selfish spoilt brat!

Wow, I've never seen you vent like that. This thing must have touched a nerve big time. In any case, I agree that he does not want LD to get the mental upperhand prior to the WC.

[indra]

What the **** is wrong with Taufik! Honestly, I hate that guy now. Does he think everybody has to make a good call for him. Geez! He has some attitude problem. It really shames the Indonesian badminton. He already did that once in the Indonesian Open. The lineman called a shot from Bao Chunlai "in" and then he walked towards him, had a "good" chat and that lineman conveniently changed his mind like a minute later to "out". What the hell! If this is not someone's prank, that guy should be dropped off the Indonesian squad. We have been pampering him too much. What a SPOILED BRAT!

He should be prepared to have some line calls against him. It is only natural. He went inside the enemy's territory and should be prepared to face hostility. Just like players from other countries came to Indonesian Open. Bao Chunlai, Chen Yu are good example of people who were getting bad calls against them on Indonesian Open (Coincidentally against Taufik). Whenever players are playing away, they should mentally be prepared for things like this.

I think with the news recently that compared him with Lin Dan, he is afraid he will lose. So he intentionally walked out. Oh my GOD!!! I'm really frustrated now.

Sony, please win now.

Don't blame TH for the problem created as a result of the umpire/linemen's unprofessional conduct [failing to make a firm decision].

If the umpire cannot be trusted, what's the point in continuing the match?

The organizer should have been aware that the TH and LD encounter is a match prone to controversies and possible protests from both sides. I am behind TH, anyway. This is a life and death match for both of them....
The committee has failed to anticipate this....:D :D

Anyhow, for TH, dignity is a lot more important than winning the tournament...

[2cents]

No professionalism at all. Taufik should be fired forever.

Players' job is to entertaining people, while Taufik cannot do this job at all, he only thinks himself, nothing else.

[byelnats]

We all know Indra is TH-biased, so not surprise to read this!:D

But serious though, could someone familiar with tournament rule pls clarify:

(1) When a line judge make a first call, and then change his/her mind and make a second and different call, is this allowed?
(2) Can the umpire insist the first call stand and ignore the second call?

Thanks

1) He/she is allowed to change his/her mind. Good example is one during the recent Indonesian Open. During a match Taufik Vs Bao, the lineman changed his mind after a "good" chat with Taufik.

2) The umpire has the power to overrule any of the call. So it is up to him/her to decide whether to approve the first or second call.

[badMania]

Wow, I've never seen you vent like that. This thing must have touched a nerve big time. In any case, I agree that he does not want LD to get the mental upperhand prior to the WC.

Well...I thought ranking points are important to him in order to avoid being pitted against the big-guns in the WC. Somehow, it does not really matter to him. That's the disappointing fact that as a sportsman, he does not try his best in most of the occassions which he deem unnecessary. He displayed that attitude when he conveniently walked out of the China Open 2005, citing an injury.

I think Taufik should retire early....

[cklee]

Hey, what is this i hear taufik walking from a match...bcos of a bad line call!!!

I think he still has more to improve in terms of professionalism, sportsmanship and mental maturity. His actions remind me of Lin Dan in the last M'sian Open.

IMO, the blunder was solely on the linesman. Real hurried poor judgement.

I feel for taufik in this instance. You can really get frustrated when the officials are of sub-standard quality and experience.:mad:

[tino4]

i'm a big fan of taufik...but what he did is too childish...he should be punished by IBF for his attitude....bad calls can hit anybody not only taufik....and i'm sure he also knows that...
nevertheless i'm still a big Fan of his ...not because of his personality....but because of his beauty play of Badm, his technique...

[Dreamzz]

yes, i concur, poor show by TH. i think only his most ardent fans will stand by his current decision. i mean, i would agree if 3 or 4 clearly biased decisions went against, but to walk out after just 1, hmmmm, not cool ...

[crosstrainer]

at least he shook hands with the ump and lin dan before he walked out. :)
but boy, if i were there, i'd want my money back hehehe

[TKG2609]

any result from men single ?

[TKG2609]

so hopefully lindan vs sony n lee chongwei vs chen jin in semi ....

[TKG2609]

n lee chong wei vs lindan in final ... n of couse lindan beat him again, hehehehe

[badMania]

A quote from sports.sina.com:

林丹显然对陶菲克的举动无法理解，“而且这才是比赛刚开始的时候，陶菲克完全有机会追上来的，何必就这么放 弃了比赛了呢。”

Lin Dan was puzzled with Taufik's actions, esp since it's still in the early stages. Taufik still had the chance to catch up...there's no need to give up the match!

而陶菲克则和教练一起离开场地，愤怒地表示，没有什么可说的。但在球场外碰上几名支持者，陶菲克顿时又恢复 了笑容，还和支持者一起拍照和交换电话。对裁判陶菲克还是忿忿不平：“我觉得边裁有问题，如果她不懂得预判 ，就不要随便做预判，这会影响我的判断。而且之后她马上改了判决，这当中有什么问题，大家心里都很清楚。没 有一个公平的比赛环境，所以我不想再打下去了。林丹喜欢赢就让他赢去吧，我去澳门玩。”

Taufik regained his composure and even smiled after he met his supporters later on. He even exchanged phone numbers with them. He commented that he disliked playing in an environment that was deemed unfair to him. His last comment "Since Lin Dan liked winning, he can win for all I care....I am going to Macau to play!".

This is a totally unprofessional attitude! I really hope IBF can take a look at this incident and fine PBSI and Taufik!

[TKG2609]

n for men double , chandra n tony will win this HO title

[byelnats]

Don't blame TH for the problem created as a result of the umpire/linemen's unprofessional conduct [failing to make a firm decision].

If the umpire cannot be trusted, what's the point in continuing the match?

The organizer should have been aware that the TH and LD encounter is a match prone to controversies and possible protests from both sides. I am behind TH, anyway. This is a life and death match for both of them....
The committee has failed to anticipate this....:D :D

Anyhow, for TH, dignity is a lot more important than winning the tournament...
Sure, whatever! How do you know that the umpire cannot be trusted? You only said that because the match is played in Hongkong. Do you think there is no other people watching? It is a 6 star tournament! There are other people watching including IBF top brass and Asian Badminton Association top brass e.g. the Chairman, Sutiyoso who is also the President of PBSI.

Have any of you ever heard any player walked off the court just after one bad call???? If they have done that to him like say 2 or 3 times, it is still understandable. But this is only the FRIGGING FIRST TIME! It is only at the very beginning of the match. I don't think both of them sweated yet. This just shows how unprofessional Taufik is.

He is undoubtedly one of the best players out there. He is a living legend, but his attitude is just downright sux! Childish, unprofessional, arrogant and many more!!

[jasonmarc]

Blame it on the linelady and umpire:D .

I like the decision made by TH. There is no use in continuing the match when FROM THE BEGINNING the lineladies/men are against him....

The tournament committee should have anticipated this kind of possibility.
The umpire should have admitted that it is the linelady's first decision that should be valid, not the second one.

If only the umpire had realized the reputation at stake, the linelady should have been replaced immediately. Unfortunately, the umpire prefered defending the PARTIAL linelady to defending the reputation of the HO....

Again, it is clear what TH wanted is a fair play on the part of the umpire and linemen/ladies.

If I were the organizer, I would replace the umpire and linelady and asked TH and LD to play again from 0-0. As simple as that!!!!

As simple as that! to start all over again 0-0? ??????:eek: :confused: ....... TH a world class player with a act like amature or worst! What about those bad line calls against BCL happened in IO 2006, TH Vs BCL in the final, BCL just gentlemen enough to finished off the match... and Indra U are so biased!

[indra]

No professionalism at all. Taufik should be fired forever.

Players' job is to entertaining people, while Taufik cannot do this job at all, he only thinks himself, nothing else.

It is the umpire who should be fired....Umpires' job is to make sure that the decisions made are fair and impartial.

Taufik in my opinion is giving a lesson to the umpire and IBF.

[TKG2609]

like usual ... taufik is very dissapointed ...so better all indonesia badminton fans support sony , hehehe

[TKG2609]

any result, please ???? maybe someone from china or hong kong can tell us ????

[TKG2609]

next sony beat kenneth ....

[EastDevil]

Blame it on the linelady and umpire:D .

I like the decision made by TH. There is no use in continuing the match when FROM THE BEGINNING the lineladies/men are against him....

The tournament committee should have anticipated this kind of possibility.
The umpire should have admitted that it is the linelady's first decision that should be valid, not the second one.

If only the umpire had realized the reputation at stake, the linelady should have been replaced immediately. Unfortunately, the umpire prefered defending the PARTIAL linelady to defending the reputation of the HO....

Again, it is clear what TH wanted is a fair play on the part of the umpire and linemen/ladies.

If I were the organizer, I would replace the umpire and linelady and asked TH and LD to play again from 0-0. As simple as that!!!!

You ridiculous comments were based on the assumption that the call was unfairly made against Taufik. As the saying goes, "Assumption is the mother of all f*** ups". I am not sure if you are there or if you actually saw the shuttle drop but you could make yourself look like an idiot if the call was actually right by making such comments.

[badMania]

It is the umpire who should be fired....Umpires' job is to make sure that the decisions made are fair and impartial.

Taufik in my opinion is giving a lesson to the umpire and IBF.

Excuse me....who is he to give a lesson to the umpire and IBF? He's only a player...full stop...

[rhinovinda]

Maybe it's Taufik's way to promote a new scoring system, just 1 set, and only 3 points in a set. :D

I like this comment hahahha.....rally point is the one should be retired because it is very fragile to a bad call. If normal points, he could have not lost the point while he's serving.

[TKG2609]

hi badmania, any result from HO ? u are from hongkong, right ?

[jasonmarc]

I agreed with BadMania, TH should be punish!

[badMania]

hi badmania, any result from HO ? u are from hongkong, right ?

Unfortunately, I am in SG right now and will be off to watch the Satelitte in 10 mins. We can only rely on the offical website, which is only updated after every session end.

[madbad]

indra, this is all I have to say:

The more you flap your gums, the deeper you're burying yourself.

[byelnats]

Yeah, forget about Taufik already. No need to discuss a spoiled brat here. We are here to discuss badminton player, a real one.

Any update on the results guys?

[TKG2609]

maybe taufik must know that he use people of indonesia's money to send him to HO open ....

[TKG2609]

Unfortunately, I am in SG right now and will be off to watch the Satelitte in 10 mins. We can only rely on the offical website, which is only updated after every session end.

ic, no problem ....:D

[indra]

Sure, whatever! How do you know that the umpire cannot be trusted? You only said that because the match is played in Hongkong. Do you think there is no other people watching? It is a 6 star tournament! There are other people watching including IBF top brass and Asian Badminton Association top brass e.g. the Chairman, Sutiyoso who is also the President of PBSI.

Have any of you ever heard any player walked off the court just after one bad call???? If they have done that to him like say 2 or 3 times, it is still understandable. But this is only the FRIGGING FIRST TIME! It is only at the very beginning of the match. I don't think both of them sweated yet. This just shows how unprofessional Taufik is.

He is undoubtedly one of the best players out there. He is a living legend, but his attitude is just downright sux! Childish, unprofessional, arrogant and many more!!

You must certainly understand that in the new scoring system things will be different. Bad calls made the score 3:1. If the first call had been considered valid then the score would have been 2:2. See the difference. This gives a pshycological effect for the two players. This was a HOT match. The match should have been carefully "treated" (fragile). This is a dignity match between the two. Why everyone cornered TH, not the referee?

TH is only a victim....He was only exercising his right to be treated fairly..:D

[david1987]

wad is e 3 fingers??? i tink that we shld juz forget this nd get on wif e tourny

[zia.ufrida]

Taufik... Taufik...

I don't know when he is going to become mature. I think since he become olympic and world champion, he did change, but, What did happen today?

I really salute for chinese player, Lin dan, bao chun lai, chen hong, zhang ning. I often see these chinese players got unfair decision by line judge or umpire. But they are very wise. Accepting that decision and continue the game.

I'm very.. very dissapointing with taufik :mad:

[byelnats]

maybe taufik must know that he use people of indonesia's money to send him to HO open ....

Of course he knows, what does it matter anyway. He has a powerful father in law.

[TKG2609]

no need discuss about taufik again ...

[TKG2609]

any new result ? where do u get the taufik vs lindan result ?

[nwy5633]

actually i am also very hate tat lin dan...
but i can't do anything beside angry...
taufik should teach lin dan a lesson by beating him...
but not let him go through the semis with a happy face...
taufik...
cool down n beat tat arrogant lin dan in wc...
is for urself,ur fans, me and also LCW...
i would rather saw a LCW vs TH in wc final then LCW vs LD...
go for it taufik...
LCW is still on to help u get the revenge...

[indra]

You ridiculous comments were based on the assumption that the call was unfairly made against Taufik. As the saying goes, "Assumption is the mother of all f*** ups". I am not sure if you are there or if you actually saw the shuttle drop but you could make yourself look like an idiot if the call was actually right by making such comments.


Taufik was a VICTIM:D .

[jermaine]

well, my opinion is that, sometimes in different view where the players are standing and the linesmen are sitting, it may proved to be slightly different.
whether isit or not the call by the linesman was bad, we do not know but taufik should continue playing instead...
imagine if he received every single bad call each a tournament, he would have quit playing instead..

somtimes out of fustration you do stupid actions or show attitude like lin dan as well sometimes scold dont-know-what language to himself or Nathan pointing finger, and etc etc..

[rhinovinda]

Taufik was a VICTIM:D .

Actually Taufik has full of politics inside his strategy. I am sure that this coming WC will be hot between top players.

[2cents]

You must certainly understand that in the new scoring system things will be different. Bad calls made the score 3:1. If the first call had been considered valid then the score would have been 2:2. See the difference. This gives a pshycological effect for the two players. This was a HOT match. The match should have been carefully "treated" (fragile). This is a dignity match between the two. Why everyone cornered TH, not the referee?

TH is only a victim....He was only exercising his right to be treated fairly..:D

Let me correct some facts.

The final score is 4:1. Also, the shuttle was in. The line-lady made a gesture of out before the shuttle touched the ground. After the shuttle touched the ground, it was obvious inside. That's the reason she changed to in. If as you strongly asked to change the score to 2:2 or 0:0, then should Lin dan leave the court?

Refusing playing should not be the right for professional players. What Taufik did was illegal. It's like robbery. What if singers refuse to perform?

[fabcargo]

i am still 100% behind taufik

he is not scared to express himself and does not adhere to any rules....way to go!!!!

[chanbc]

You must certainly understand that in the new scoring system things will be different. Bad calls made the score 3:1. If the first call had been considered valid then the score would have been 2:2. See the difference. This gives a pshycological effect for the two players. This was a HOT match. The match should have been carefully "treated" (fragile). This is a dignity match between the two. Why everyone cornered TH, not the referee?

TH is only a victim....He was only exercising his right to be treated fairly..:D

Excuse me! It looks like even if TH do his "big business" on court, you will still say that his **** is wonderful and tasty.:D

Man, be who you are. No matter how much support you give to TH, you are still very much yourselves. You will never be TH. Even with gene cloning available now, even if you are the clone of TH, you are still a few years younger than TH no doubt that both have the same DNA.

Your reaction remind me of the reaction of some Jackie Chan's fan refuse to get married for life when they came to know that Jackie Chan had married. Silly.

[TKG2609]

is there any result 4 lee chong wei, sony, chenjin n lee hyun il ... ???

[2cents]

Taufik... Taufik...

I don't know when he is going to become mature. I think since he become olympic and world champion, he did change, but, What did happen today?

I really salute for chinese player, Lin dan, bao chun lai, chen hong, zhang ning. I often see these chinese players got unfair decision by line judge or umpire. But they are very wise. Accepting that decision and continue the game.

I'm very.. very dissapointing with taufik :mad:

Exactly. yesterday, Chen Yu was the real victim of bad calls. He should have won the match. But bad calls changed the outcome.

[Linus]

A player got angry and upset when the line judge made a bad call against him/her. This is perfectly understandable and the general public would be on the player side.

But the player cannot simply walk out a match just because of that. A player must do what a player suppose to do - that is to compete and complete the tournament he/she has entered in. This is only fair to the association that sent him/her, to the organiser, to the opponent and to the supporters and spectators. And more importantly, to himself/herself as a player.

Afterall, the greatest triumph is the one that won through adversities.

[nocturnes]

who wins between lindan and taufik?

[madbad]

i am still 100% behind taufik

he is not scared to express himself and does not adhere to any rules....way to go!!!!

1) Express himself all he wants, that's his right, but not to the detriment of the game.
2) Does not adhere to any rules... this is the most ridiculous affirmation of Taufik's character I've heard in a while (and there's lots). Imagine if every player took that sort of stance, there would be total anarchy in badminton. Every match would last 5 points or until someone walks off. Badminton would be the bush league and laughing stock of all sports. Do you want that???? :rolleyes:

[peace]

How about other results?
Stop arguing about TH and LD. It is over guys!
Anyone knows the latest results, please. Thanks

[TKG2609]

yes, stop discuss taufik vs lindan .... boring .... someone can give us a new result ?

[rhinovinda]

Your reaction remind me of the reaction of some Jackie Chan's fan refuse to get married for life when they came to know that Jackie Chan had married. Silly.
This is absolutely different case....hahahaha....Jacky Chan's fan does not have any responsibility to others.

Well judging of TH recent action at HK, I remember Zidane. Well I still agree with Indra somehow even though as a badminton fan I feel embarrased and inconvenient. IBF Referees team seems not the best chosen at TH-LD hot match. At least the referee should find solution for that to prevent he walked off. Like in football, referee is very crucial for some important matches therefore it has to get good treatment and preparation from the officials.

[Baderz_Jas]

Hey... does anybody knows the result? :confused:
And who actually won between Lin Dan and Taufik???:confused:

[EastDevil]

Taufik was a VICTIM:D .

I'm sure all players were "victims" some point in their careers. Its the same thing as in football whether if the ball crosses the goal line or not. One suspected controversial call in at least a potential 42 points in a match and he quits? Don't you think its just plain childish behaviour?

[TKG2609]

taufik wo ...lindan go 2 semi to try 2 beat sony ... hehehe

[madbad]

No results posted on the official website so far although a couple of the XD and WS matches should be completed.

[TKG2609]

please2 no need 2 talk about lindan vs taufik ... just give some new results ....

[TKG2609]

No results posted on the official website so far although a couple of the XD and WS matches should be completed.

hi, where do u see the new result ? can u give me the link ...thanx ;)

[chanbc]

Hey... does anybody knows the result? :confused:
And who actually won between Lin Dan and Taufik???:confused:

Lin Dan W/O Taufik at 3:1 leading in first game.

[madbad]

hi, where do u see the new result ? can u give me the link ...thanx ;)

http://www.hkbadmintonassn.org.hk/eng/index.htm

[Baderz_Jas]

Thanks chanbc
Lin Dan won. Yay! :) :D

[2cents]

Lin Dan W/O Taufik at 3:1 leading in first game.

in fact,
Lin Dan vs Taufik 4:1

[TKG2609]

http://www.hkbadmintonassn.org.hk/eng/index.htm
thanx 4 the link :p

[jermaine]

actually i am also very hate tat lin dan...
but i can't do anything beside angry...
taufik should teach lin dan a lesson by beating him...
but not let him go through the semis with a happy face...
taufik...
cool down n beat tat arrogant lin dan in wc...
is for urself,ur fans, me and also LCW...
i would rather saw a LCW vs TH in wc final then LCW vs LD...
go for it taufik...
LCW is still on to help u get the revenge...


it seems to me that you are watching too many serial drama shows.. hate this hate that, revenge?? omg.. you think too much

NO player is to be HATE

and do you know Lin Dan that well? arrogant? or actually humble?

otherwise, if you hate Lin Dan, sure, go win him in the next tournament

[Inky2000]

Life goes on ... please! More result updates, please!

[Cheung]

Hey... does anybody knows the result? :confused:
And who actually won between Lin Dan and Taufik???:confused:
C'mon!! It was your hero Lin Dan. But he was on court for about 5 minutes!! Score 4-1

I saw it with my own eyes - me and about 2 thousand other people!!!!

[Baderz_Jas]

C'mon!! It was your hero Lin Dan. But he was on court for about 5 minutes!! Score 4-1

I saw it with my own eyes - me and about 2 thousand other people!!!!

I've only just woken up though :cool:

[cao ci dan]

Taufik regained his composure and even smiled after he met his supporters later on. He even exchanged phone numbers with them. He commented that he disliked playing in an environment that was deemed unfair to him. His last comment "Since Lin Dan liked winning, he can win for all I care....I am going to Macau to play!".

WHAT A RUBBISH...:mad:

[blueagle]

You must certainly understand that in the new scoring system things will be different. Bad calls made the score 3:1. If the first call had been considered valid then the score would have been 2:2. See the difference. This gives a pshycological effect for the two players. This was a HOT match. The match should have been carefully "treated" (fragile). This is a dignity match between the two. Why everyone cornered TH, not the referee?

TH is only a victim....He was only exercising his right to be treated fairly..:D

in a game, both players play under the same rules, under the same linespeople and umpire and under the same point system, whether its the rally point system or not. people make mistakes and the players have to live with it and play on. what they do after a bad call defines what they are as players and as human beings. TH is not the victim, neither is LD, the umpires and the organizers. the real victims are the people who come and watch them play. let's all move on and enjoy the rest of the matches. :)

[Cheung]

BTW, guys, if any arguments get personal, slanderous, out of hand etc I will hold mmyself responsible. I reported the Taufik episode to ksooi and he put it up on BF at my request. That means Kwun might ban me and you get no more pics!!!!!! wahhhh!!!!

(I had to make an international call to get the news on to BF). I'm almost sure BF got the 'scoop'!

[sjoe]

Umpire is not allow to over rule linejudge.
Linejudge can make correction immidiately after the first call.
Hope this will help you guys to understand.

[Cheung]

........ TH is not the victim, neither is LD, the umpires and the organizers. the real victims are the people who come and watch them play. let's all move on and enjoy the rest of the matches. :) It's true. The stadium was really packed for this showcase match. Remember, it's happening on a weekday afternoon. Many people take time off work to see this becuase of their love for badminton. HK is no way like Korea. The lines ppl are very impartial as possible and they are human!

[Cheung]

Umpire is not allow to over rule linejudge.
Linejudge can make correction immidiately after the first call.
Hope this will help you guys to understand.
This is the old rule, I believe.

[Simp84]

Let me correct some facts.

The final score is 4:1. Also, the shuttle was in. The line-lady made a gesture of out before the shuttle touched the ground. After the shuttle touched the ground, it was obvious inside. That's the reason she changed to in. If as you strongly asked to change the score to 2:2 or 0:0, then should Lin dan leave the court?

Refusing playing should not be the right for professional players. What Taufik did was illegal. It's like robbery. What if singers refuse to perform?
LOL i dont think its illegal if u feel like quiting a match haha..
Its your own right man

[Simp84]

WHAT A RUBBISH...:mad:
erm I think that quote u are referring to are made up by chinese reporter to make Taufik look even more evil

[kontrabando]

My kid idolizes Taufik... but I think what TH did is a very unsportsmanlike gesture...Now I need to do some explaining to my kid not to imitate the gesture :(

[ksooi]

BTW, guys, if any arguments get personal, slanderous, out of hand etc I will hold mmyself responsible. I reported the Taufik episode to ksooi and he put it up on BF at my request. That means Kwun might ban me and you get no more pics!!!!!! wahhhh!!!!

(I had to make an international call to get the news on to BF). I'm almost sure BF got the 'scoop'!

Cmon guys.......cheung was kind enuf to get the news to everyone....everyone has their own opinion but stop all this personal attacks:mad: .....the match its over....

Maybe its that time of the mth for taufik and he wants to finish the match early to catch the ferry to macau where a huge reception awaits him :D .....

[madbad]

LD beat TH 4-1 rtd
KJ beat Sony 21-16, 22-20
ZN beat Yao Jie 21-10, 21-4
Jiang beat PHY 21-19, 21-13
Markis/Hendra beat Thais 21-14, 21-10
Guo/Xu beat JAP 15-21, 21-18, 21-14
Gao/Huang beat Du/Yu 21-10, 21-8
Chien/Cheng beat Zhang/Wei 21-19, 21-19
Zhang/Gao beat Shirley/Quay 21-19-21-16
Zheng/Zhao beat He/Yu 21-19, 21-17

End of early session

[akueko]

any result for today??
what about sony??

[Dreamzz]

see above, sony lost ...

[hcyong]

Results for afternoon session out.

Lin will take on Kenneth, who took out Sony

Zhang Ning and Jiang Yanjiao won, beating Yao and Pi

Kido/Setiawan will meet Guo/Xu in the MD semi

Gao/Huang bt Du/Yu
Chien/Cheng bt Zhang/Wei (minor upset in my books)

Zhang/Gao and Zheng/Zhao to meet in XD semi

[cao ci dan]

erm I think that quote u are referring to are made up by chinese reporter to make Taufik look even more evil
oh:eek: izit...sorry then...;)

[DinkAlot]

What a cop-out. Disappointed with Taufik's actions. Everybody gets bad line calls. Moreover, this was only at the beginning of the 1st set, a long way to go. I think he way over-reacted. My question: was he afraid to lose to LD and this was a convenient out for him?:rolleyes: . Again, another selfish Taufik decision which leaves a sour taste in the mouth of the spectators.

Man, there's too much drama in badminton. Just play the game.

[Baderz_Jas]

LD beat TH 4-1 rtd
KJ beat Sony 21-16, 22-20
ZN beat Yao Jie 21-10, 21-4
Jiang beat PHY 21-19, 21-13
Markis/Hendra beat Thais 21-14, 21-10
Guo/Xu beat JAP 15-21, 21-18, 21-14
Gao/Huang beat Du/Yu 21-10, 21-8
Chien/Cheng beat Zhang/Wei 21-19, 21-19
Zhang/Gao beat Shirley/Quay 21-19-21-16
Zheng/Zhao beat He/Yu 21-19, 21-17

End of early session

This is very interesting!!!:eek: No 3 setters.
BTW, thanks for the updates madbad1 :D

[elwin81]

oh god.........YAO JIE lost terribly.

[Jessica]

Before this..In my heart,i still think taufik is a very very good player although sometime he is quite hot tempered...But after this incident...i feel that he is very unmature and very rude...This can say is a world tournament and he did this...He didn't show his sportmanship at all and his action is very disrespect to the opponent and the judge...THIS IS TOTALLY UNPROFESSIONAL..Although he is the olympic champion but when his action today...his image is totally ruined..Really dissapointed...I think the fans have reconsider about him..

[madbad]

Man, there's too much drama in badminton. Just play the game.

Yes there is. Just play the game–if only Taufik could hear those words. Unfortunately the paying spectators who had to swallow the bitter pill of disappointment could only wish so.

[huijun]

LD beat TH 4-1 rtd
Chien/Cheng beat Zhang/Wei 21-19, 21-19


End of early session

Nice work for Chien and Cheng.....:)

[madbad]

Nice work for Chien AND cheng.....:)
Yes, a nice win indeed.:)

[DinkAlot]

This is very interesting!!!:eek: No 3 setters.
BTW, thanks for the updates madbad1 :D

Yes, thanks MadBad for the update. :)

[TKG2609]

how about lee chong wei n chen jin ...i realy want to see them in semi ....

[TKG2609]

chinese young players look very powerful ...lulan, zhu lin n jiang yan jiao ....

[Jessica]

Anyway...stop discussing about LD and TH...I think he must be the hottest person in the WC this time...

[Baderz_Jas]

This is very interesting!!!:eek: No 3 setters.


My bad! :o There was a 3 setter.
Well done to the Chinese, jia you! :D hehe

[jbchiong]

For those who do not know, you can now check for the latest results at the HKBA site.

website http://www.hkbadmintonassn.org.hk/eng/index.htm

FYI.

[Baderz_Jas]

how about lee chong wei n chen jin ...i realy want to see them in semi ....

They haven't play yet I think :)

[yuval_ba]

Maybe it's Taufik's way to promote a new scoring system, just 1 set, and only 3 points in a set. :D
LOL !!! :D
I will always lose in such scoring system, I'm a slow starter :cool:

[KillerT]

Has the Wijaya/Gunawan - Cai/Fu game started?

[aiyuuw]

omg taufik..
what have u done?
oh, well, i dont really know what really happened, what was in his mind, nor what he saw, so i guess i shouldnt judge him
tho in my opinion it was very disrespectful, and....well, disappointing, i mean, I was rooting for him
this is the second time i swear to myself ill never watch his game anymore, (i forget when the 1st time was, which i violated anyway)

[hcyong]

http://www.hkbadmintonassn.org.hk/files/310806.pdf
will give the schedule for today

[Baderz_Jas]

Has the Wijaya/Gunawan - Cai/Fu game started?

No. They start at 9:00pm HK time. Now it's 7:25pm:)

[TrueBlue]

read taufik story here in forum: is kind of funny ;-))

Hmm, he is someone who has his own mind..brave decision if he really think the linesmen in general against him. Maybe not good for his own psyche if he didn't think in this way. We'll see at WC maybe...btw: where is it? (not in china or indo iguess :-) )
taufik always surprise with new stuff, but he didn't break a rule and hmm, i think he didn't show disrespect against lindan or judge, only maybe to crowd, but if he really think like i described above, then it's ok.
:cool:

[Dreamzz]

wc will be in madrid ... i think most line judges are pretty neutral, though i guess there have been a few bad calls in the past ... don't think it's systematic.

[DinkAlot]

taufik always surprise with new stuff, but he didn't break a rule and hmm, i think he didn't show disrespect against lindan or judge, only maybe to crowd, but if he really think like i described above, then it's ok.
:cool:

But TH did break at least one rule:


The Laws of Badminton Rule 18.5.2:

"Except at the conclusion of a match, no player shall leave the court without the Umpire's consent."

http://www.recgov.org/r&w/badmintonRules.html

[KillerT]

But TH did break at least one rule:


The Laws of Badminton Rule 18.5.2:

"Except at the conclusion of a match, no player shall leave the court without the Umpire's consent."

http://www.recgov.org/r&w/badmintonRules.html

Thats why the match was concluded at 4:1.

[taufik-ist]

i think taufik will get fined by IBF

[emms626]

lcw win or not.............

[xymaerts]

I believe d match between LCW LHI had started.. those in the statium ..pls update the score..tq

[**KZ**]

aya...6 star tournament result update so chapalang...LCW must win..today merdeka must win

[Ethan]

i was wondering whether they will indicate who won in the LHI vs LCW match in the pdf results file since both of them are with the surname LEE !!

[elwin81]

i was wondering whether they will indicate who won in the LHI vs LCW match in the pdf results file since both of them are with the surname LEE !!

good point Ethan.
We will know what they will write in a couple of hours time.

[cao ci dan]

oh come on fast....who win between LCW and LHI???and Boonsak or CJ???

[xavier felipe]

It is the umpire who should be fired....Umpires' job is to make sure that the decisions made are fair and impartial.

Taufik in my opinion is giving a lesson to the umpire and IBF.

Indra,

Be fair lar. Bao Chunlai and Chen Yu also got unfair calls from the judges in Indonesia Open 2006 but they kept continuing the game. Can your mind be wide open?

I think every umpire in each country will be on that country side, so the players must have tough mental to face this. Taufik is just so arrogant, childish and afraid to lose.

[hcyong]

the score should indicate which Lee

[ochan]

so what's about the latest score??
Fu/Cai vs Tony/chandra?

[xavier felipe]

You must certainly understand that in the new scoring system things will be different. Bad calls made the score 3:1. If the first call had been considered valid then the score would have been 2:2. See the difference. This gives a pshycological effect for the two players. This was a HOT match. The match should have been carefully "treated" (fragile). This is a dignity match between the two. Why everyone cornered TH, not the referee?

TH is only a victim....He was only exercising his right to be treated fairly..:D

Indra, indra you are very taufik lor
please be more open-minded

[sugar_free]

Indra,

Be fair lar. Bao Chunlai and Chen Yu also got unfair calls from the judges in Indonesia Open 2006 but they kept continuing the game. Can your mind be wide open?

I think every umpire in each country will be on that country side, so the players must have tough mental to face this. Taufik is just so arrogant, childish and afraid to lose.

I agree with you. We have to remember that even umpires and linesmen are also human, they can make mistake(s). Nobody's perfect.

[xavier felipe]

Taufik was a VICTIM:D .

And so does everybody else (it happens in Korea, China, Indonesia and Malaysia). The most important thing is how u handle this situation, maybe you are a great player, but if you don't have an attitude, it is nil.

[xavier felipe]

i am still 100% behind taufik

he is not scared to express himself and does not adhere to any rules....way to go!!!!

Taufik made himself as a victim

[**KZ**]

results only updated 2 times a day...in the morning and at midnight...the website is unreliable

[hcyong]

I still remember the days when we had to read about the results on the next morning's paper. Human civilization has gone impatient.

[Jessica]

What is the other results....Please anyone???I am going to sleep but still waiting for the results...

[hara^kazuko]

where's the result of LCW match, its getting late

[emms626]

how.........result

[**KZ**]

12 o'clock oni u wil get result 1 lar....the lousy website

[ye333]

Taufik really did a weird thing this time. Even if it was a mis-call, it was only the first one. Taufik has been treated much more unfairly before, like in Puhang Asiang Games, and then he did not leave after the very first bad call.

So I guess:

Taufik felt that he is not on top form yet, while Lin Dan is in good form. So he chose to not let Lin Dan getting familiar with his play style. (Taufik is like Tian1Shan1Tong2Lao3 and Lin Dan is like Li3Qiu1Shui3, when both in top form, Taufik will win, but on average Lin Dan has slight advantage. )

If this is true, it seems Taufik still cares much about the WC.


Taufik made himself as a victim

[Dreamzz]

I still remember the days when we had to read about the results on the next morning's paper. Human civilization has gone impatient.

haha, you mistake impatience for enthusiasm ... :cool:

[cindie]

It is the umpire who should be fired....Umpires' job is to make sure that the decisions made are fair and impartial.

Taufik in my opinion is giving a lesson to the umpire and IBF.

Wow.. indra, you are really a very very "loyal" fan. TH will be very happy to have a fan like you. :rolleyes:

[Jessica]

12 o'clock oni u wil get result 1 lar....the lousy websiteWhat...:eek: 12..Why the website cannot act faster...I am very sleepy now...Tomorrow have to go to school...Sigh...getting impatient...better sleep now..:(

[cindie]

And so does everybody else (it happens in Korea, China, Indonesia and Malaysia). The most important thing is how u handle this situation, maybe you are a great player, but if you don't have an attitude, it is nil.

Well said. But I believe, so far, Taufik is not the only great player who doesn't have good attitude. I'm not surprised Taufik did this. Just pity the audience who anticipates this match. Including me, myself. :crying:

[xymaerts]

still waiting for d result, i though someone is in d stadium... and ALL the quater final should be finish by now..

[Jessica]

Ya..it should be finished...And who was in the stadium..Please post the results...Where are you Cheung..Red...

[xymaerts]

Ya..it should be finished...And who was in the stadium..Please post the results...Where are you Cheung..Red...

Jessica, go n sleep liao...:D:D... 2 morrow got school..:p:p
I believe without knowing d result.. all of us also cannot sleep...

[hara^kazuko]

I'm getting impatient... Fine, I'll sleep

[crosstrainer]

no results even on the official site.... sigh

[candra W]

nooo candra-tony lost......

[tsang1]

Here are the results from the evening session:

Winners are in BOLD

MS

Boonsak v Chen Jin 11-21 10-21
Lee CW v Lee HI 21-13 21-15
.

WS

Wang Chen v Tine Rasmussen 18-21 20-22
Xie Xingfang v Nedelcheva 21-12 21-18

MD

Choong/Lee v Hoon/Tan 21-12 21-11
Fu/Cai v Tony/Chandra 21-13 17-21 21-11

WD

Emms/Kellogg v Nedelcheva/Dimova 21-13 21-7
Yang/Zhang v Chin/Wong 21-51 21-19

XD

Xie/Zhang v Clark/Kellogg 23-21 21-11
Widianto/Natsir v Sudket/Saralee 17-21 21-14 21-11

[crosstrainer]

please share the scores.... my girlfriend is broken hearted that candra/tony lost :(

*edit... three setter heart breaker.... sigh

[candra W]

tmrrw semi finals:

Lin Dan vs Kenneth
Chen jin vs LCW

WS:
ZN vs Jiang
XXF vs Rasmussen

MD
Kido/hendra vs Guo/Xu
LWW/CTF vs Fu/Cai

WD
Emms/Kellog vs Zhang/Yang
Goa/Huang vs Chein/Cheng

MW
Nova/Bubet vs Xie/Zhang
Zhang/Gao vs Zhen/Zao

[hara^kazuko]

wat is this? chin wong 21-51

but anyway, I knew Lee Chong Wei is gonna win for sure

[xymaerts]

Here are the results from the evening session:

Winners are in BOLD

MS

Boonsak v Chen Jin 11-21 10-21
Lee CW v Lee HI 21-13 21-15
.

WS

Wang Chen v Tine Rasmussen 18-21 20-22
Xie Xingfang v Nedelcheva 21-12 21-18

MD

Choong/Lee v Hoon/Tan 21-12 21-11
Fu/Cai v Tony/Chandra 21-13 17-21 21-11

WD

Emms/Kellogg v Nedelcheva/Dimova 21-13 21-7
Yang/Zhang v Chin/Wong 21-51 21-19

XD

Xie/Zhang v Clark/Kellogg 23-21 21-11
Widianto/Natsir v Sudket/Saralee 17-21 21-14 21-11


Tq very much..!!!

[badMania]

Most of the results are pretty expected, except for Tine Rasmussen's victory over the local favorite Wang Chen.

[elwin81]

wat is this? chin wong 21-51

but anyway, I knew Lee Chong Wei is gonna win for sure

of course a typo, 21-15

CEH/WPT lost again to the chinese pair as expected. A good fight though.

[pauline]

of course a typo, 21-15

CEH/WPT lost again to the chinese pair as expected. A good fight though.
It seems that Chin/Wong have improved...

[elwin81]

It seems Chin/Wong have improved...

yes, indeed compare to the scoreline in KO.

[wynn000]

wah LCW vs CJ they play each other b4?? finally can sleep liao!!

[**KZ**]

ok tomoro 7 pm can watch liao semis...cant wait for LCW vs Chen Jin....hope he beats the crap outa him....sry yannie

[pauline]

wah LCW vs CJ they play each other b4?? finally can sleep liao!!
not sure..but it should be a lil tough for LCW to beat him..
faster go and sleep..

[**KZ**]

too bad for u guys...i got holiday tomoro (private school)...

[Dreamzz]

yeah, CJ has been on form recently, whereas LCW has not. but then beating LHI is a decent result for him ...

[Han]

Lets hope the Semi Final coverage include the MS between Chen Jin vs Lee Chong Wei instead of KJ vs Lin Dan(I assume these 2 matches will play simultaneously). Also interested to see how Lee/Choong fare against Fu/Cai, I think the Malaysian pair will find the speed of the Chinese a little to fast? I think with the strength of Chinese in all events, we might as well name the fututre tournament as XXX Open - China against World Elites !!!
Malaysia Boleh and still have 1 MS and MD trying the pursue Miew Choo unfinished task, crack the Great Wall(not just kicking some lose stone):D

[elwin81]

Lets hope the Semi Final coverage include the MS between Chen Jin vs Lee Chong Wei instead of KJ vs Lin Dan(I assume these 2 matches will play simultaneously). Also interested to see how Lee/Choong fare against Fu/Cai, I think the Malaysian pair will find the speed of the Chinese a little to fast? I think with the strength of Chinese in all events, we might as well name the fututre tournament as XXX Open - China against World Elites !!!
Malaysia Boleh and still have 1 MS and MD trying the pursue Miew Choo unfinished task, crack the Great Wall(not just kicking some lose stone):D

haha, it's so funny.

If WMC have created some crack on the great wall then it should be fairly easy for the MAS fair to make it collapse. (based on my scientific knowlwdge on crack initiaion and propagation) :p

[ctjcad]

wow...more drama with taufik...

Scores with lindan leading 3-1 1st set and a bad line call :( .....1st the lineslady called it out then changed her mind and called it in against taufik....taufik complained to the umpire......to no avail....then get the tournament referee involved.....guess they were not goin to overturn the decision :mad: ....taufik showed 3 fingers towards the lineslady mainly to tell her that seh needed glasses.....anbd then taufik shook hands with the referee, umpire and lindan and walked off....typical taufik character...kudos to this guy :) ......

crowd was dissapointed and started to jeer at taufik when he walked off......tournament referee got the same treatment a well.....looks like all those people that took time off to watch the match were really upset at it :( ....


report courtesy of cheung who is in the stadium this very moment :D

What a cop-out. Disappointed with Taufik's actions. Everybody gets bad line calls. Moreover, this was only at the beginning of the 1st set, a long way to go. I think he way over-reacted. My question: was he afraid to lose to LD and this was a convenient out for him? . Again, another selfish Taufik decision which leaves a sour taste in the mouth of the spectators.
sigh, well, what can i say...Taufik did it again...
After i read this last night, i was abt to respond, but decided to reply in the morning instead.
Personally, i think it's a shame and a real disappointment for him to act like that. I mean i understand if it was questionable, but it was still at the beginning of the match. Sure the call by the linesperson might be questionable and shouldn't be reversed, but it's still early. If anything, he should "suck it up" and play thru it. But i guess his lingering "trauma" from last week's KO's similar episode really bothered him.
Sorry for LinDan, who must win by forfeit(how does he feel now??), and esp. the fans who really anticipated a great game but was "ripped off" by being given another walk-off by Taufik...:p :o :(

[ctjcad]

Blame it on the linelady and umpire:D .

I like the decision made by TH. There is no use in continuing the match when FROM THE BEGINNING the lineladies/men are against him....

The tournament committee should have anticipated this kind of possibility.
The umpire should have admitted that it is the linelady's first decision that should be valid, not the second one.

If only the umpire had realized the reputation at stake, the linelady should have been replaced immediately. Unfortunately, the umpire prefered defending the PARTIAL linelady to defending the reputation of the HO....

Again, it is clear what TH wanted is a fair play on the part of the umpire and linemen/ladies.

If I were the organizer, I would replace the umpire and linelady and asked TH and LD to play again from 0-0. As simple as that!!!!
i understand your feeling and Taufik's, but IMO, it was still early..They hardly even played, and there was nothing at stake yet...Hehe, BTW, i was quite amused with your suggestion of having the umpire and linesperson replaced and re-start the whole match again...:p ;)

[ctjcad]

What the **** is wrong with Taufik! Honestly, I hate that guy now. Does he think everybody has to make a good call for him. Geez! He has some attitude problem. It really shames the Indonesian badminton. He already did that once in the Indonesian Open. The lineman called a shot from Bao Chunlai "in" and then he walked towards him, had a "good" chat and that lineman conveniently changed his mind like a minute later to "out". What the hell! If this is not someone's prank, that guy should be dropped off the Indonesian squad. We have been pampering him too much. What a SPOILED BRAT!

He should be prepared to have some line calls against him. It is only natural. He went inside the enemy's territory and should be prepared to face hostility. Just like players from other countries came to Indonesian Open. Bao Chunlai, Chen Yu are good example of people who were getting bad calls against them on Indonesian Open (Coincidentally against Taufik). Whenever players are playing away, they should mentally be prepared for things like this.
I agree! We fans already give so much support and consideration for him, yet, he displayed the same old behaviors..Nothing has changed, heh??..:p
The thing is, this has been going on for quite a few yrs already..Taufik has been, is currently and will be the "Spoiled" kid as long as he's in Pelatnas. And now probably in the whole IBF/WBF..:p :o
I/we all thought Taufik has "changed" and "matured" after his Olympic and World Championship title, but i guess we were wrong..:p
And further, this whole incident, by Taufik just storming off the court after only a few minutes of play, just because of a questionable call, if not treated *right away* by the IBF/WBF, either by punishing and applying disciplinary actions with behaviors like that, it will damage the sport. :mad: :(
Imagine if this happened in the World Championship or Olympic event, how and what would that label the sport as a whole??..Or imagine if this was the World Cup event in the Final...:o :(

[hydrocyanic]

Taufik decided to forfeit the match to Lin Dan after a bad call when the score was 3-1 to LD's advantage.

Expected...as he didn't really care about winning the HK Open anyway....

a bad line call happens everywhere and everytime, sometimes its really a bad one, but sometimes its all about mentality and perception

if he doesn't care, simply quit the tournament, why bother going there?

sounds like a bad mood and excuse to leave the court

[ctjcad]

Taufik decided to forfeit the match to Lin Dan after a bad call when the score was 3-1 to LD's advantage.

Expected...as he didn't really care about winning the HK Open anyway....
The sad thing is, personally, I doubt he has his mindset in winning another title anymore(be it important/prestigious or not)..Now i/we all can see, all he does is just talk but later no prove to back it up..:p

[ctjcad]

If that was the case, why bother showing up and wasting precious PBSI $$ :rolleyes: . Honestly, Taufik has to grow up. He can't even live with a simple line call (bad or not) and has to throw a tantrum every time. Deal with it and play on.
Does he really care abt wasting/not wasting PBSI money??..I think, if he could or if PBSI kicked him out, he wouldn't care either...He was like that before his successes(spoiled), but now with a "more powerful" father-in-law on his side, basically he can get anything he wants, esp. in Indonesia..Imagine that..:rolleyes: :p

[ctjcad]

I don't want to even read the newspaper tomorrow. He has just made a "sensation" without even becoming a champion. Well done :mad:! I wonder if PBSI is going to take any action.
we've, who followed his career, wondered abt that also..Esp. if incidents like these happened..:rolleyes: :(

[ctjcad]

Wow, I've never seen you vent like that. This thing must have touched a nerve big time. In any case, I agree that he does not want LD to get the mental upperhand prior to the WC.
hmm, personally, i know badMania has a neutral/un-biased approach; it's quite evident, esp. in his numerous tournament's previews/recaps..;)
Yes, this incident touched quite a nerve. Cos it brought back memories of Taufik reverting back to his old-self, one that is prior to him being the Olympic and World Champion...:p

[ctjcad]

Don't blame TH for the problem created as a result of the umpire/linemen's unprofessional conduct [failing to make a firm decision].

If the umpire cannot be trusted, what's the point in continuing the match?

The organizer should have been aware that the TH and LD encounter is a match prone to controversies and possible protests from both sides. I am behind TH, anyway. This is a life and death match for both of them....
The committee has failed to anticipate this....:D :D

Anyhow, for TH, dignity is a lot more important than winning the tournament...
:D :rolleyes: :)
Seriously, it was still early though, nothing crucial at stake..If it's repeated over and over again, then Taufik has the right to be upset and possibly walk-off the court..I haven't seen the shot/call, maybe it was real close, but my guess is probably the linesperson was just as nervous, knowing the importance of the match, thus the sudden knee-jerk reaction..:p:D

[ctjcad]

No professionalism at all. Taufik should be fired forever.

Players' job is to entertaining people, while Taufik cannot do this job at all, he only thinks himself, nothing else.
Concur!!..Esp. if you're the defending Olympic and World Champion..:p

[ctjcad]

Hey, what is this i hear taufik walking from a match...bcos of a bad line call!!!

I think he still has more to improve in terms of professionalism, sportsmanship and mental maturity. His actions remind me of Lin Dan in the last M'sian Open.

IMO, the blunder was solely on the linesman. Real hurried poor judgement.

I feel for taufik in this instance. You can really get frustrated when the officials are of sub-standard quality and experience.:mad:
Hmm, IMO, it's still no excuse...linesmen are human & also make mistake...;) ..

[ctjcad]

at least he shook hands with the ump and lin dan before he walked out. :)
but boy, if i were there, i'd want my money back hehehe
I concur with you..hehe;):D Fortunately there were also other matches to watch..

[ctjcad]

You must certainly understand that in the new scoring system things will be different. Bad calls made the score 3:1. If the first call had been considered valid then the score would have been 2:2. See the difference. This gives a pshycological effect for the two players. This was a HOT match. The match should have been carefully "treated" (fragile). This is a dignity match between the two. Why everyone cornered TH, not the referee?

TH is only a victim....He was only exercising his right to be treated fairly..:D
hmm, i know it's a "HOT" match, but what if the questionable call was against LinDan or Taufik's opponent??..would you support Taufik or his opponent over the bad line call??..:rolleyes: ;)

[doublewings]

Nobody would like to see something like this to happen, including me. On the other hand, do you think TH enjoys walking away from a match?

As I recall, the entire badminton team of a countires walked off a tournament because of bad line calls, can't remember which one though. So people may say TH's action is unprofessional. In a way, he is. But comparing to that incident ... So life goes on, and a few weeks from now, guess nobody will even care to talk about this, coz there will be WC and other stories will take the front pages.

[ctjcad]

BTW, guys, if any arguments get personal, slanderous, out of hand etc I will hold mmyself responsible. I reported the Taufik episode to ksooi and he put it up on BF at my request. That means Kwun might ban me and you get no more pics!!!!!! wahhhh!!!!

(I had to make an international call to get the news on to BF). I'm almost sure BF got the 'scoop'!
Cheung, thanks for the "instant" news, as we have no web broadcast and were still waiting for all the matches' score to be updated when ksooi post the news...It's OK, you're still safe and i haven't/didn't notice any personal "over the boundary" banters..But not so fast though, we still want some pics(QF day) from you, hehehe:p;):)

[ctjcad]

But TH did break at least one rule:


The Laws of Badminton Rule 18.5.2:

"Except at the conclusion of a match, no player shall leave the court without the Umpire's consent."

http://www.recgov.org/r&w/badmintonRules.html
thanks for bringing that up, Dan...now i wonder, what kind of disciplinary actions will IBF/soon to be name WBF do in this regards?!?!If any??..If they don't have one, then i would wonder if IBF has the leaniest rule of any professional sports body in the world...:rolleyes:
And as far as i remember, from all past incidents, i only recall the banning of Sigit for using illegal substance..Maybe in this type of scenario, they did it before, but they never publicly disclose it..:confused: :p

[ctjcad]

Here are the results from the evening session:

Winners are in BOLD

MS

Boonsak v Chen Jin 11-21 10-21
Lee CW v Lee HI 21-13 21-15
.

WS

Wang Chen v Tine Rasmussen 18-21 20-22
Xie Xingfang v Nedelcheva 21-12 21-18

MD

Choong/Lee v Hoon/Tan 21-12 21-11
Fu/Cai v Tony/Chandra 21-13 17-21 21-11

WD

Emms/Kellogg v Nedelcheva/Dimova 21-13 21-7
Yang/Zhang v Chin/Wong 21-51 21-19

XD

Xie/Zhang v Clark/Kellogg 23-21 21-11
Widianto/Natsir v Sudket/Saralee 17-21 21-14 21-11
wow, a bit surprise with Tony's/Candra's defeat, although in a fairly contested 3 setters..Congrats also to Fu/Cai for the win...
I posted a few days ago, that the KO was the "best case" scenario for Tony/Candra to win and hope they still have enough juice left; my guess is both of them ran out of gas, as noticed by the score in the 3rd set..I guess we won't be seeing a possible rematch between them and Kido/Setiawan...:p
Fu's/Cai's next match against the MAS veterans will be a rematch of last yr's WC match, if i'm not mistaken?!?!..;)
Nova/Natsir also escaped a tough 3 setters..:p

[ctjcad]

So life goes on, and a few weeks from now, guess nobody will even care to talk about this, coz there will be WC and other stories will take the front pages.
Sure, life goes on with the upcoming WC as the next main event, but unfortunately no one will forget this incident(as well as many others) and most likely it'll be mentioned again in the future(most likely in the upcoming WC)..:rolleyes: :p :o

[ye333]

Cai/Fu is like this: if you cannot survive their crazy attack, you are dead. But if you can (that's how Candra/Sigit beated Cai/Fu), or if you can keep attacking (that's how Chan/Koo beated Cai/Fu), you will have good chance to win. I think Tony/Candra is too old to keep attacking. And I have to say Tony's defense is not as good as Sigit's. In KO final he already was the target of the Koreans and did gave out many points, while Candra was steady as a rock. Anyway, I think Cai/Fu is in their top form this year. They should grab the chance and do something in the coming WC.

I think Cai/Fu lost to Chan/Koo in last years WC. And CTF was paired with CCE then, so not a rematch.


wow, a bit surprise with Tony's/Candra's defeat, although in a fairly contested 3 setters..Congrats also to Fu/Cai for the win...
I posted a few days ago, that the KO was the "best case" scenario for Tony/Candra to win and hope they still have enough juice left; my guess is both of them ran out of gas, as noticed by the score in the 3rd set..I guess we won't be seeing a possible rematch between them and Kido/Setiawan...:p
Fu's/Cai's next match against the MAS veterans will be a rematch of last yr's WC match, if i'm not mistaken?!?!..;)
Nova/Natsir also escaped a tough 3 setters..:p

[tutu_h]

A quote from sports.sina.com:

林丹显然对陶菲克的举动无法理解，“而且这才是比赛刚开始的时候，陶菲克完全有机会追上来的，何必就这么放 弃了比赛了呢。”

Lin Dan was puzzled with Taufik's actions, esp since it's still in the early stages. Taufik still had the chance to catch up...there's no need to give up the match!

而陶菲克则和教练一起离开场地，愤怒地表示，没有什么可说的。但在球场外碰上几名支持者，陶菲克顿时又恢复 了笑容，还和支持者一起拍照和交换电话。对裁判陶菲克还是忿忿不平：“我觉得边裁有问题，如果她不懂得预判 ，就不要随便做预判，这会影响我的判断。而且之后她马上改了判决，这当中有什么问题，大家心里都很清楚。没 有一个公平的比赛环境，所以我不想再打下去了。林丹喜欢赢就让他赢去吧，我去澳门玩。”

Taufik regained his composure and even smiled after he met his supporters later on. He even exchanged phone numbers with them. He commented that he disliked playing in an environment that was deemed unfair to him. His last comment "Since Lin Dan liked winning, he can win for all I care....I am going to Macau to play!".

This is a totally unprofessional attitude! I really hope IBF can take a look at this incident and fine PBSI and Taufik!

LD is indirectly talking about he himself in Malaysia Open.

[ctjcad]

Cai/Fu is like this: if you cannot survive their crazy attack, you are dead. But if you can (that's how Candra/Sigit beated Cai/Fu), or if you can keep attacking (that's how Chan/Koo beated Cai/Fu), you will have good chance to win. I think Tony/Candra is too old to keep attacking. And I have to say Tony's defense is not as good as Sigit's. In KO final he already was the target of the Koreans and did gave out many points, while Candra was steady as a rock. Anyway, I think Cai/Fu is in their top form this year. They should grab the chance and do something in the coming WC.
hmm, i see..From what i saw, i thought in the recent KO MD's Final, it was Tony doing most of the "work" and "damage" setting for Candra & getting the points rather than Candra. Of course the KOR pair made quite some costly errors themselves down the stretch. In that match, I thought Candra made more "errors" than Tony..?!?!.
My initial guess on why Tony/Candra lost to Fu/Cai were because Candra made more errors and/or they simply ran out of gas(age factor also). But hey, they pushed to a 3 setters..Oh well, i guess next time around..;)

I think Cai/Fu lost to Chan/Koo in last years WC. And CTF was paired with CCE then, so not a rematch.
Yes, that is correct, thanks for the correction; pardon my memory as i only remember Fu/Cai played against a MAS pair, but forgot which one.:p ;)

[kwun]

Does he really care abt wasting/not wasting PBSI money??..I think, if he could or if PBSI kicked him out, he wouldn't care either...He was like that before his successes(spoiled), but now with a "more powerful" father-in-law on his side, basically he can get anything he wants, esp. in Indonesia..Imagine that..:rolleyes: :p
agree. isn't Taufik's father-in-law the chairman of the national sports council or something like that? the chance that Taufik will get much disciplinary action or even get kicked out of PBSI is really slim.

[ye333]

Maybe my impression is not correct... But it does seem to me that the Koreans prefer to attack Tony, and most of the times Tony could not survive three consequtive good smashes. On the other hand Candra defensed quite well.

I agree with you that Tony did most of the setting up. And I agree that Candra made quite a few errors. But Candra's defense is just amazing. Only top form Sigit has done better.

Candra is the most balanced MD player I think. Tony is better in offense than in defense.

Anyway, I think Candra/Tony are kind of too old to survive Cai/Fu's attack, which should be the craziest in MD history...


hmm, i see..From what i saw, i thought in the recent KO MD's Final, it was Tony doing most of the "work" and "damage" setting for Candra & getting the points rather than Candra. Of course the KOR pair made quite some costly errors themselves down the stretch. In that match, I thought Candra made more "errors" than Tony..?!?!.
My initial guess on why Tony/Candra lost to Fu/Cai were because Candra made more errors and/or they simply ran out of gas(age factor also). But hey, they pushed to a 3 setters..Oh well, i guess next time around..;)

Yes, that is correct, thanks for the correction; pardon my memory as i only remember Fu/Cai played against a MAS pair, but forgot which one.:p ;)

[DinkAlot]

Cai/Fu is like this: if you cannot survive their crazy attack, you are dead. But if you can (that's how Candra/Sigit beated Cai/Fu), or if you can keep attacking (that's how Chan/Koo beated Cai/Fu), you will have good chance to win. I think Tony/Candra is too old to keep attacking. And I have to say Tony's defense is not as good as Sigit's.

I didn't see the match, I hope someone that did can comment but in general, with the 21-point system, you really won't run out of gas, it's really who attacks first and is more aggressive. That of course being Fu/Cai, it's in their nature and their game plan.

With that said, I think Tony and Candra are very beatable in the 21-point system whereas in the 15-point system, it's much more difficult.

[ctjcad]

agree. isn't Taufik's father-in-law the chairman of the national sports council or something like that? the chance that Taufik will get much disciplinary action or even get kicked out of PBSI is really slim.
yah, that's correct. It's almost contradicting that Sigit can be "banned" for 2 yrs but Taufik is able to just "walk away" and compete again, as if nothing happened..And that's just the sad state of badminton nowadays, esp. in PBSI...The thing that really "bothered" me was Taufik's behavior and display of emotion right in front of the "volunteer" lineslady(from the pics, to a certain extent i feel a bit sad for her). I personally don't know how PBSI officials(ie. Mr. Rudy Hartono, Mr. Sutiyoso and the rest) will feel abt that incident?? I'm sure they'll be quite embarrassed..:rolleyes:
I know IBF/soon to be called WBF don't have priority or authority over Taufik's situation, and it's not their fault, but IMO, IBF has to put down some sort of "disciplinary actions" to prevent something similar again in the future..:rolleyes: :p

[ctjcad]

Maybe my impression is not correct... But it does seem to me that the Koreans prefer to attack Tony, and most of the times Tony could not survive three consequtive good smashes. On the other hand Candra defensed quite well.

I agree with you that Tony did most of the setting up. And I agree that Candra made quite a few errors. But Candra's defense is just amazing. Only top form Sigit has done better.

Candra is the most balanced MD player I think. Tony is better in offense than in defense.

Anyway, I think Candra/Tony are kind of too old to survive Cai/Fu's attack, which should be the craziest in MD history...

I didn't see the match, I hope someone that did can comment but in general, with the 21-point system, you really won't run out of gas, it's really who attacks first and is more aggressive. That of course being Fu/Cai, it's in their nature and their game plan.
hmm, i understand Cai/Fu's style...But if Tony is being targeted "for whatever" reason, then there must be a reason why..Thus from what i saw/remember in the KO MD's Final, i thought it was Candra who made the "errors" by creating opportunities for the KOR pair to attack back thus they attacked Tony..If it was Tony, i doubt he'll create or setup something that will be counter-productive to his side..One has to remember, Tony is more of a "setter" for his partner, not an "attacker" or "defender"; that's why his partnerships with Candra or Halim are "ideal" because those 2 are attackers/good smashers rather than "setters"..
Anyways, don't want to put any "blames" on those great players, they've tried their best, but came up short..;):p

[B3nny H4nn4]

stop bashing on lin dan or taufik...

like ppl say here, U dunno them in person....all u see is the outside. In my point of view both players are one of the nicest ppl i know...i know this becuase i have met with them and had conversations with them general and personal, throughout all our conversations, they are very humble when talking. You just need to understand that they are ppl too...with problems and bad days just like the rest of us. you can't base ur point of view on ppl just becuase of their first impression.

Within 10 minutes of meeting lin dan...he offered to take me out if i ever go to beijing and gave me his cell phone #. just be more understanding to the players, and im sure if u ever get to meet them...ur prospectives will change immediately.

sorry got a lil off topic here but the constant player bashing got me off ^_^

[tcw2612]

I agree that Taufik behaviour is not acceptable but there should be something the Referee can do too. Like replacing the Volunteer lineslady just to be fair before Taufik left.

Taufik will never be better than spoiled. He has always been like that. And, there is nothing wrong with being spoiled. And you can still play good Badminton by being spoiled. Look at Mia Audina and some of other Indonesias' players.

But being big hearted and spoiled are two different things. Big hearted is what Taufik missing of not spoiled.

Big Hearted is not exactly like sportmanship but in this case, yes we can say that sportmanship.

thanks,

tcw2612

[agNEZone]

Well..I think this is not the first walk out right ? I think from Taufik incident, the badminton championship should consider a replay ? I think its going to be fair for all the competitor...

But, I disagree with Taufik action. Altough I'm an indonesia, but I dont support his move. It showed that he hasn't got big heart. If the umpire or linesman beiung unfair, you can't be emotional. You have to face the match til the end. Walking out is not a solution...Wouldnt it be great if Taufik can win despite the fact a lot of unfair decision has carshed him during the match? I still say that Taufik Hidayat is a man with talent and arogancy