So who wants to see Taufik not playing?

[Cheung]

Indra, I have on good judgement the shuttle was in. The linewomen made an initial mistake in calling it out and she corrected herself. It's OK to correct your judgement so long as you do it quickly.

The crowd were calling the shuttle out. I think it was to *heighten* the anticipation of a good match! Unfortunately, it went wrong for the crowd. Taufik went off to a chorus of boos.

1) Taufik shaking hands with LinDan giving him the match (I thought Taufik was just trying to say 'no hard feelings')

2) A second *discussion* with the line judge

[Cheung]

3) What's Taufik doing with the *V* sign? Looks bad.

4) how about some spectacles?

5) the tournament referee getting involved again

[madbad]

Well captured! Anymore pics on the incident.

[pauline]

pity the linewomen.....sigh..

[jermaine]

the 'v' sign actually meaning her eyes... being a linesmen or woman for taufik's match can be very sway sometimes. haha

[Cheung]

6) a final shake of the hands to a confused Lin Dan

7) even Li Yong Bo is confused

8) TH walks off applauding to the audience. When the audience suddenly realise he really is leaving and not intending to come back, the volume of dissent grows considerably!

[Cheung]

the 'v' sign actually meaning her eyes... being a linesmen or woman for taufik's match can be very sway sometimes. haha That's right! It can mean the eyes. But it looks bad:) The camera never lies, and I haven't added anything to the photos to incriminate anybody!

9) Lin Dan being asked by reporters what is his reaction to everything.

10) Taufik and coach leaving the stadium

[jermaine]

its a rude gesture like meaning "is something wrong with your eyes?"
then cover it,

lin dan helpless blurred... still expected this match to be match of the round, didnt expected it to end at such a tragic state..

[Baderz_Jas]

Wow Cheung. These are amazing photos. :) ;)

[2cents]

Excellent, Cheung. Thanks for the photos and descriptions. Great job!

[nwy5633]

thx Cheung
u are so damn good

[Dreamzz]

well, at least he shook hands with LD ... hahaha ... small consolation for the crowd though ... :p

[Simp84]

I think V sign means I saw it with my own eyes..
And then the spectacle is referring to cant u see

[Cheung]

OK, I 'm going back to the stadium for the evening session. Red also has some good pics. Hope he does post them in this thread.

It really did put a dampner for the crowd, especially when the KJ vs Sony match was really close in the 2nd set.

[rhinovinda]

Great Photos, thanks for sharing. It's one of the famous and strange phenomena in world of badminton.

[Dreamzz]

damn, wish i had been there!
how come nothing contraversial ever happens when i'm watching a match??
:D

[phaarix]

Well while most people seem to only care about whether or not they get to see a great match, I admire Taufik for not letting the crowd, or anyone else influence his decision. If he is not happy with the line calling, then he doesn't have to play. He's not playing his matches for our enjoyment, he's doing it for himself, as would pretty much anyone.

I still would like to have seen the match played to completion though :(. I'm not for or against what Taufik did, it's his decision.

[Baderz_Jas]

Well while most people seem to only care about whether or not they get to see a great match, I admire Taufik for not letting the crowd, or anyone else influence his decision. If he is not happy with the line calling, then he doesn't have to play. He's not playing his matches for our enjoyment, he's doing it for himself, as would pretty much anyone.

I still would like to have seen the match played to completion though :(. I'm not for or against what Taufik did, it's his decision.

Well said phaarix!!!;)

[hcyong]

Well while most people seem to only care about whether or not they get to see a great match, I admire Taufik for not letting the crowd, or anyone else influence his decision. If he is not happy with the line calling, then he doesn't have to play. He's not playing his matches for our enjoyment, he's doing it for himself, as would pretty much anyone.

I still would like to have seen the match played to completion though :(. I'm not for or against what Taufik did, it's his decision.

I admire the linejudge for remaining cool (at least outwardly, from what is apparent in the photo) even when Taufik was making rude gestures.

I admire the linejudge for admitting her wrongful first decision and steadfastingly sticking to what she thinks is the right decision. (Further to what Cheung has on good judgement, if she really was partial, why bother signalling "out" in the first place.)

Everyone's playing for himself, sure, but if everyone walks off if he doesn't like a decision, what a farce it will all become.

If it is his decision to whack the linejudge with his racquet, will you then be for or against him? Or will you continue with the "it's his decision" line of reasoning?

[Jessica]

Is the linejudge really make the mistake or what???Anyone in the stadium can tell us..Still very blurred...Is like a dream to me...All happened in a moment..

[phaarix]

I admire the linejudge for remaining cool (at least outwardly, from what is apparent in the photo) even when Taufik was making rude gestures.

I admire the linejudge for admitting her wrongful first decision and steadfastingly sticking to what she thinks is the right decision. (Further to what Cheung has on good judgement, if she really was partial, why bother signalling "in" in the first place.)
I'm not saying the linejudge was wrong either. I'm not getting at anyone here. My point has nothing to do with whether it was in or not. It's what Taufik thinks that justifies his reactions. As far as the "rude gestures" go, that's just human nature. He's obviously under a lot of pressure playing top level tournaments like this, and anyone can lose their cool if they feel they're being treated unfairly.

Once again, I'm not getting at anyone, I'm not saying it was in or out. I'm merely saying that Taufik is just human, and to stop over-dramatising such minor things as a "V signal". He made his decision based on what he thought was right. Get over it >_>.


Everyone's playing for himself, sure, but if everyone walks off if he doesn't like a decision, what a farce it will all become.

If it is his decision to whack the linejudge with his racquet, will you then be for or against him? Or will you continue with the "it's his decision" line of reasoning?
*Sigh* Tell me, has Taufik walked off in EVERY match he's played? As for whacking the line judge with his racquet... well what do you think? Of course I wouldn't defend him in that case! But is that what happened? Is that even CLOSE to what happened? It's not even worthy of comparison.

You're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not blindly defending what he did. When I say it's his decision, and that's okay, I'm saying that because it's not something dead serious like some people are making it out to be. It's nothing like whacking a line judge with your racquet. It's just not that serious.

[hcyong]

I'm not saying the linejudge was wrong either. I'm not getting at anyone here. My point has nothing to do with whether it was in or not. It's what Taufik thinks that justifies his reactions. As far as the "rude gestures" go, that's just human nature. He's obviously under a lot of pressure playing top level tournaments like this, and anyone can lose their cool if they feel they're being treated unfairly.

Once again, I'm not getting at anyone, I'm not saying it was in or out. I'm merely saying that Taufik is just human, and to stop over-dramatising such minor things as a "V signal". He made his decision based on what he thought was right. Get over it >_>.

I added these comments later in the same posting.

Everyone's playing for himself, sure, but if everyone walks off if he doesn't like a decision, what a farce it will all become.

If it is his decision to whack the linejudge with his racquet, will you then be for or against him? Or will you continue with the "it's his decision" line of reasoning?

[DinkAlot]

Thanks for the pics Cheung. Calls happen. Sometimes for you, sometimes against you. Regardless, as a professional, you have an obligation to the crowd that paid money to watch you play.

Retiring abruptly like TH did (for something so small) was extremely unprofessional. I'm disappointed. :(

[vsdelfin]

My 2 cents:
Taufik plays for himself, NOT TO ENTERTAIN the spectators. If he thinks that there is no point in continuing, its his decision. To demand him: "play for me bitch" is what is immature, not Taufik. Taufik is not your family doctor or your neighborhood policeman, he has no responsibility of playing to your satisfaction.

As to who is really the top dawg, the big daddy, the head honcho ... one more month and everybody can shut the hell up.

[Jessica]

I agree with hcyong..If every player can just leave the competition when they are not happy...Then what will happened???Anyway,player should not let his emotion affect his action..However..no matter who is fault in this incident...I still think that he should continue with his match...If he continue playing...he is really a professional and mature player..

[DinkAlot]

My 2 cents:
Taufik plays for himself, NOT TO ENTERTAIN the spectators. If he thinks that there is no point in continuing, its his decision. To demand him: "play for me bitch" is what is immature, not Taufik. Taufik is not your family doctor or your neighborhood policeman, he has no responsibility of playing to your satisfaction.

As to who is really the top dawg, the big daddy, the head honcho ... one more month and everybody can shut the hell up.

Keep your day job. :rolleyes:

[vsdelfin]

can anybody state any IBF rule that Taufik broke?




... that's what I thought

[hcyong]

*Sigh* Tell me, has Taufik walked off in EVERY match he's played? As for whacking the line judge with his racquet... well what do you think? Of course I wouldn't defend him in that case! But is that what happened? Is that even CLOSE to what happened? It's not even worthy of comparison.

You're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not blindly defending what he did. When I say it's his decision, and that's okay, I'm saying that because it's not something dead serious like some people are making it out to be. It's nothing like whacking a line judge with your racquet. It's just not that serious.

What if he decides to walk off on every match, thinking he is correct in walking off? What if every player decides that? Why does he think he is correct? Why must he assume that everyone else who disagrees is wrong?

[vsdelfin]

Keep your day job. :rolleyes:
*looks at your profile*
9.16 posts per day:rolleyes:

[phaarix]

I agree with hcyong..If every player can just leave the competition when they are not happy...Then what will happened???Anyway,player should not let his emotion affect his action..However..no matter who is fault in this incident...I still think that he should continue with his match...If he continue playing...he is really a professional and mature player..
But they CAN leave whenever they want. They CAN default the match to the opposition. Not everyone is the same though. Taufik personally likes to only play in a fair environment, and if he thinks it is unfair, whether it be true or not, he has the right to stop playing.

If YOU would rather him play all his matches through to completion, despite how he feels (he is a person, not just a mindless professional... robot), then that's your problem.

Anyway, I've let you all know my opinion. I'm not interested in arguing with you all. You can think what you want, and I can think what I want. Personally, I think everyone should just cool down a bit and let it pass. Things like this happen.

[hcyong]

Actually, on retrospect, it is not his walking off that got me riled up. It is what he gestured to the linejudge.

[phaarix]

Actually, on retrospect, it is not his walking off that got me riled up. It is what he gestured to the linejudge.

Yeah, it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but no one's perfect. Anyway, off to bed with me. Hope this is all settled soon :).

[taufik-ist]

i have missed the drama :(....

hmmm i was dissappointed with what taufik did ...

wc (lindan vs taufik) is getting hotter for sure :)

[hcyong]

Yeah, it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but no one's perfect. Anyway, off to bed with me. Hope this is all settled soon :).

That's the perfect excuse. It can be used to explain away all the bad things that have been done in history. Hitler killed some people, but hey, no one's perfect.

[Pokla]

Gosh didn't know it happened until just now.

I love playing and watching racquet sports. I remember in a Grand Slam quarter final (it should be wimbledon), because of some silly mistake, Venus William's opponant was given one more point in a tie-break. Eventually Venus lost the match.

In her interview Venus was asked how she felt when she knew that the score went wrong. She said one point cannot affect the whole match, and she thought her opponant deserved the win and she was the better player.

In Tennis and Badminton, there are often misjudgements, good line calls, bad line calls and (thus) controversial line calls. Players (regardsless of whether it's badminton, tennis or table tennis) with bad temper would throw their racquets, shout at the umpire and/or the line judge. Of course it's not a good show of sportmanship or manner, but personally I think it's okay to vent your anger to a certain extend, so that you can continue to play. What's more is that spectators sometimes like seeing players with character.

Not to compare Badminton to Tennis, but I saw John Mcenroe, Mark Philippoussis, Marat Safin screaming like mad men on the court because of (what they thought were) bad line calls, but NONE of them left the court just like that. They all knew that they are professional players, and they understood that sports is a form of entertainment, and they were there to give a good match and to entertain people who have bought tickets to see them (according to a lot of players like Lindsay Deventport, Amilie Mauresmo, Martina Navratilova, and even John Mcenroe). Without people watching them, there would be no matches, there would be nothing on which professional players can live.

Yes of course the players are playing for themselves. But this is exactly why they need to continue despite the calls against them. This is how they make themselves professional. They are playing for their professionalism. God knows how many bad calls there can be in a match, it might not be as fair as one wants to be. But isn't it the reason why you want to win the match even more?

I have never seen a tennis player forfeiting the match because of a bad line call; I have not come across a respectable football team leaving the field early because of an unfair red card (I have seen crazy fans killing the judge cos of so though); and none of the table tennis player I know gives up the game cos of a call based on a misjudgement. I don't see why a badminton player has the previledge to leave the court just because of a line call (which may or may not be bad) against him/her.

Leaving the match like this is not only UNprofessinoal, but also immature, and not respecting the audience, as well as the players themselves.

[z3048018]

unless Taufik got permission from the umpire, he should not have left the court (16.5.2 under Laws of badminton)

[Dreamzz]

Gosh didn't know it happened until just now.

I love playing and watching racquet sports. I remember in a Grand Slam quarter final (it should be wimbledon), because of some silly mistake, Venus William's opponant was given one more point in a tie-break. Eventually Venus lost the match.

In her interview Venus was asked how she felt when she knew that the score went wrong. She said one point cannot affect the whole match, and she thought her opponant deserved the win and she was the better player.

In Tennis and Badminton, there are often misjudgement, good line calls, bad line calls and (thus) controversial line calls. Player (regardsless of whether it's badminton, tennis or table tennis) with bad temper would throw their racquets, shout at the umpire and/or the line judge. Of course it's not a good show of sportmanship or manner, but personally I think it's okay to vent your anger to a certain extend, so that you can continue to play. What's more is that spectators sometimes like seeing players with a character.

Not to compare Badminton to Tennis, but I saw John Mcenroe, Mark Philippoussis, Marat Safin screaming like mad men on the court on (what they thought were) bad line calls, but NONE of them left the court just like that. They all know that they are professional players, and they know that sports is a form of entertainment, and they are there to give a good match and to entertain people who have bought tickets to see them (according to a lot of players like Lindsay Deventport, Amilie Mauresmo, Martina Navratilova, and even John Mcenroe). Without people watching them, there would be no matches, there would be nothing on which professional player can live.

Yes of course the players are playing for themselves. But this is exactly why they need to continue despite the calls against them. This is how they make themselves professional. They are playing for their professionalism. God knows how many bad calls there can be in a match, it might not be as fair as one wants to be. But isn't it the reason why you want to win the match even more?

I have never seen a tennis player forfeiting the match because of a bad line call; I have never seen a respectable football team leaving the field early because of an unfair red card (I have seen crazy fans killing the judge cos of so though); and none of the table tennis player I know give up the game cos of a call based on misjudgement. I don't see why a badminton player has the previledge to leave the court just because of a line call (which may or may not be bad) against them.

Leaving the match like this is not only UNprofessinoal, but also immature, and not respecting the audience and the players themselves.

well put .... bit long but well put!

[DinkAlot]

*looks at your profile*
9.16 posts per day:rolleyes:

My bad, I forgot the #1 rule of posting on a message board:

http://www.mninter.net/~richard/Please%20do%20not%20feed%20the%20trolls.jpg

You signed up with this account an hour ago...why don't you post with your real handle?

[Dreamzz]

now now, keep it clean, this is not the place for personal stuff, we're here to discuss the tournament ... :p

[z3048018]

:D :D :D :D :D :D DinkAlot

[kemana]

i have missed the drama :(....

hmmm i was dissappointed with what taufik did ...

wc (lindan vs taufik) is getting hotter for sure :)
i feel the same, really feel bad for the fans there, they must be very dissappointed :(

[DinkAlot]

can anybody state any IBF rule that Taufik broke?

... that's what I thought

The Laws of Badminton Rule 18.5.2:

"Except at the conclusion of a match, no player shall leave the court without the Umpire's consent."

TroLL = oWNED!

[jermaine]

hahhaa. his afraid obviously, because he know what he sad earlier on doesnt make some sense, that if all players can leave as and when during a match, then i think this is the worse outcome ever!

player's motto, never say die till the match is over.

[KillerT]

Taufik looks to be reasonably calm in the photos. At least he shows respect for his opponent by shaking hands - bad luck for the crowd I guess.

I think he chose not to continue as his focus was drawn away from the game - a mental setback from which he thought he could not recover.

Lets see if he can keep his head for the WC.

[rhinovinda]

You know, actually the bad calls happened to Taufik at 2002 Thomas Cup Final when he played Lee Tsuen Tseng in Guangzhou-China. Two calls had been controversy and it affected so much on Taufik's play. Finally, since he was so emotional then he lost the game. It think at this time, he also felt the same emotion and based on the experience there is no use to continue the game since he doesnt have the mood any longer to play. Sure at the end if it is continued, he could have been defeated by LD easily. So the solution is, Taufik's coach (Mulyo) has to train his emotion instead of his technique and strategy.

[taufik-ist]

You know, actually the bad calls happened to Taufik at 2002 Thomas Cup Final when he played Lee Tsuen Tseng in Guangzhou-China. Two calls had been controversy and it affected so much on Taufik's play. Finally, since he was so emotional then he lost the game. It think at this time, he also felt the same emotion and based on the experience there is no use to continue the game since he doesnt have the mood any longer to play. Sure at the end if it is continued, he could have been defeated by LD easily. So the solution is, Taufik's coach (Mulyo) has to train his emotion instead of his technique and strategy.

i agree with 100 %

[jiayou]

Taufik plays badminton already for an age.... he should know such a situation. This thing not the first time & it could happen everywhere.
Even in Indonesia Open some player also got bad calls.

I just think .. he might be affraid lose to Lin Dan... it makes him not confidence for the World Championship in Madrid.

If he is really a good sportman, he would keep continue the match & show to audience that he can play well & beat Lin Dan and.... proves he self is a good shuttler to the world.

What a pity !!

[Wildstone]

If he thinks he is gonna lose only because of the bad line calls, he should look back at the Indo Open when he defeated Bao Chun Lai. Should Bao walked away as well in Indo Open after numerous bad calls ?

TH is going down the drain lately, he is just being childish.

[jermaine]

well, sometimes emotions run wild in certain situations where you fight hard for the ball but your luck doesnt seem to give in

and sometimes your thoughts also run about and you start realizing all the training, the effort you put in, has gone down the drain, all these can affect the player especially taufik, who sometimes cannot control himself because he has a strong character and believe strongly in his actions..

but in my opinion, i feel that he shouldnt give up just because its just a bad call and should prove to the audience that the bad call wont affect his play plus, taufik has the skill, so why worry? why think so much about just a bad call? for the sake of pride? learn to let go and never give up, if he thinks in such a way, " anyway, im not the only one with the bad call, just my luck"
i believe he can still win... its all in the mind.


i still remeber lin dan vs lcw in macau open where lin dan did a fake shot and drop after the net but it landed out, he protest abit but still in the end gave in and continued playing,

[rhinovinda]

If he thinks he is gonna lose only because of the bad line calls, he should look back at the Indo Open when he defeated Bao Chun Lai. Should Bao walked away as well in Indo Open after numerous bad calls ?

TH is going down the drain lately, he is just being childish.

numerous? Hahahaha.... It was only one as I remember and it was at the end of the match. Well.....Bao walked out of court anyway in the following 3 minutes.:D

[ants]

What was the score?

[Baderz_Jas]

What was the score?

I think it was 4-1 to Lin Dan

[Wildstone]

numerous? Hahahaha.... It was only one as I remember and it was at the end of the match. Well.....Bao walked out of court anyway in the following 3 minutes.:D

sorry ... yeah I meant one ... when I say numerous I was thinking of the semi-final match as well when he was against chen yu, there was a clearly out but called 'in' in favour of taufik. It was even caught in the slow-motion replay on the video. Should the chinese players walked out as well ?

Players are just have to deal with bad line calls, it's just like the soccer players have to deal with the referee's final decision. It's not like there are 3 - 5 bad calls , it was only one and it was at the beginning, not to mention that a lot of people that was in there thought it was actually a correct call by the lineswoman.

[Wildstone]

unless Taufik got permission from the umpire, he should not have left the court (16.5.2 under Laws of badminton)

And what is the consequence for not obeying the law ?
He quits anyway, so it does not matter.

[Simp84]

That's the perfect excuse. It can be used to explain away all the bad things that have been done in history. Hitler killed some people, but hey, no one's perfect.
aiya.... calm down ok..
He has the right to quit, and its none of our buisness he do so
I know you are just angry because it is an ultimate match without an outcome.. hehe:D

[ChompChomp]

u will never know whats in taufik's mind...
maybe that few points is enuff for him to find out lin dan's weakness to prepare for WC hahaa
so he quit the game to prevent lin dan from knowing his weakness too haha...
jus joking :p

[Simp84]

it could be due to past few days while playing he felt the linecall were abit bias...
and it continues to builds up till LD's match and then it became too overwhelming and he exploded.. thus quit lol...
Anyway people get over it... he lost too bad..
Look on the bright side LD proceeded... isn't that good enough already?
Leave Taufik alone please:)

[bzhang1108]

sorry ... yeah I meant one ... when I say numerous I was thinking of the semi-final match as well when he was against chen yu, there was a clearly out but called 'in' in favour of taufik. It was even caught in the slow-motion replay on the video. Should the chinese players walked out as well ?

Players are just have to deal with bad line calls, it's just like the soccer players have to deal with the referee's final decision. It's not like there are 3 - 5 bad calls , it was only one and it was at the beginning, not to mention that a lot of people that was in there thought it was actually a correct call by the lineswoman.

yes, I watched both matches. Both Bao and Chen Yu got bad calls from line judge. Especially the one for Chen Yu, it was out so obviously. And Bao got a bad (or at least controversal) line call at the critical point of the second game. Did they walk off the court like a spoiled child? NO!

Taufik is a great badminton player, I admit. But I think he is hurting this sport now. The audience paid to support this sport and to enjoy watching some good games. If everyone behaves like Taufik, there will soon be no audience for this sport. And then badminton will die consequently. As a professional player, you should try to promote the sport, insteading of hurting it. I would strongly suggest IBF to fine and even suspend Taufik for his behavior!

[cao ci dan]

:D Lin Dan gets the semi-final ticket easily from TH...:cool: good news for me atleast...:p

plus...i still want to see TH's match..;) he's good..

[hara^kazuko]

yeah, and it's not like it's the first day u guys know who is Taufik

[bkoe6453]

well, Taufik hidayat has a bad tempered. What phaarix said is the truth. i know TH personally, he is really hate being cheated when he is playing. he cant withstand from the situation. he did the same all the time when those things happen. some people say he is childish. but, who's care?!! if no fair-play, what for he has to continue the game?? Remember, he is not new player in world championship. he has got everything (all england, olympic, world champion, etc). walk out from "only little" HK Open does not cost anything. he want a FAIR-PLAY game. also, as phaarix said, he want to enjoy himself.

in my opinion, that kind of incident is not a strange phenomena, especially in TH 'world'. seen many-many times already.

cheers

[cards_pro]

IBF should learn from tennis world.

Allow instant replay upon player request during the match.
Of course, it should be limited to 2 or 3 time per game.

I watched Rogers Cup and US open this year. It did not slow down the game.

[Avatar]

i haven't seen the video, but just based on the description n pics, i must say that Taufik's action is unhonourable, unprofessional, immature (esp for a veteran) and unsportman-like. the laws of badminton is there to ensure proper sportmanship conduct. I think he should be fined for it. his coach should have convince him to stay in the match! i've never heard of any professional sportsmen walk out of a competition because of disputed calls. This mentality disqualifies Taufik as a player, and as a coach in his future.

even on an amateur level, i have only heard one incident where a club player walked off in a friendly doubles game with a big deficit score. The
guy just suddenly shake his head and walked off because he THOUGHT he had no chance of winning by a big come back. his expression = "ar... got no mood to play". I bet you would be mighty embarrased if you were his partner! no one in the club want to play with him! What if you can come back to win it, hugely behind and even with bad line calls?!

Think about the situation before you concurred with Taufik's decision. Very disrepectful. It doesn't matter if you shake hands with every judge and opponents' hands before you exit. if he is not in the mood to play, he should have just not participate in the tournament.

Taufik is certainly a very talented player with an attitude. He has done this similar non-sense in the past. Unfortunately, most rich kids are spoiled. His coach should discipline him, not to support his decision. If you want to be a true champion, you need to be a true sportsman. Learn from Peter Gade.

Professional players are role models for young players. I hope no one will think it is acceptable to walk off in the middle of a game without a legitimate reason. one/two bad calls or "seemingly no chance" to come back is NOT a legitimate reason.

[bkoe6453]

yes, I watched both matches. Both Bao and Chen Yu got bad calls from line judge. Especially the one for Chen Yu, it was out so obviously. And Bao got a bad (or at least controversal) line call at the critical point of the second game. Did they walk off the court like a spoiled child? NO!

Taufik is a great badminton player, I admit. But I think he is hurting this sport now. The audience paid to support this sport and to enjoy watching some good games. If everyone behaves like Taufik, there will soon be no audience for this sport. And then badminton will die consequently. As a professional player, you should try to promote the sport, insteading of hurting it. I would strongly suggest IBF to fine and even suspend Taufik for his behavior!

What you have said is correct, i agree.. players should promote this sports. BUT, fine or suspend for this kind of behaviours can not be accepted.. before you fine or suspend the player, have you provide the game with a good linejudge, umpire?? also, have the official control/ manage the audiences behaviours??? if it can not be done 100%, there is no base line to suspend the player!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jessica]

Well said...Avatar....I support you...

[bkoe6453]

i haven't seen the video, but just based on the description n pics, i must say that Taufik's action is unhonourable, unprofessional, immature (esp for a veteran) and unsportman-like. the laws of badminton is there to ensure proper sportmanship conduct. I think he should be fined for it. his coach should have convince him to stay in the match! i've never heard of any professional sportsmen walk out of a competition because of disputed calls. This mentality disqualifies Taufik as a player, and as a coach in his future.

even on an amateur level, i have only heard one incident where a club player walked off in a friendly doubles game with a big deficit score. The
guy just suddenly shake his head and walked off because he THOUGHT he had no chance of winning by a big come back. his expression = "ar... got no mood to play". I bet you would be mighty embarrased if you were his partner! no one in the club want to play with him! What if you can come back to win it, hugely behind and even with bad line calls?!

Think about the situation before you concurred with Taufik's decision. Very disrepectful. It doesn't matter if you shake hands with every judge and opponents' hands before you exit. if he is not in the mood to play, he should have just not participate in the tournament.

Taufik is certainly a very talented player with an attitude. He has done this similar non-sense in the past. Unfortunately, most rich kids are spoiled. His coach should discipline him, not to support his decision. If you want to be a true champion, you need to be a true sportsman. Learn from Peter Gade.

Professional players are role models for young players. I hope no one will think it is acceptable to walk off in the middle of a game without a legitimate reason. one/two bad calls or "seemingly no chance" to come back is NOT a legitimate reason.

Well, have you ever been cheated when you play a game??? what's your feeling if someone cheat you?? can you accept that straight away?? imagine you play in such big competition, then you are cheated, do you feel ok?? THINK!!!!FEEL!!!! it's not that easy to accept that. some people might, but most people may not. and think about his concentration. when you play in the competition, you need to fully concentrate to the match, and also have a good feeling & mood to play in the game. when s't goes "Stupid" (like that call), of course it's gonna disturb everything.... and of course there is no point to continue the match when your feeling, your mind is not in the game! u r just gonna play to entertain the audience. no point at all to do so.. player come to play n win the game. people want to watch player win the game (WITHOUT disturb the player i should say)..

cheers

[Eurasian =--(O)]

Maybe the money doesn't motivate Taufik anymore. He used to be motivated by Glory but he has already attained it in the highest echelons of the sport. If he no longer needs money, what continues to motivate him? Of course still the basic desire to win but maybe thats not enough anymore...

[red00ecstrat]

guys, just come back from the stadium.
u want a photo story on that incident? u all have it!
8 pictures altogether. just let me post them all before further discussion ok?:p

here is picture number 1
arguing with the umpire.

[Pokla]

Well, have you ever been cheated when you play a game??? what's your feeling if someone cheat you?? can you accept that straight away?? imagine you play in such big competition, then you are cheated, do you feel ok?? THINK!!!!FEEL!!!! it's not that easy to accept that. some people might, but most people may not. and think about his concentration. when you play in the competition, you need to fully concentrate to the match, and also have a good feeling & mood to play in the game. when s't goes "Stupid" (like that call), of course it's gonna disturb everything.... and of course there is no point to continue the match when your feeling, your mind is not in the game! u r just gonna play to entertain the audience. no point at all to do so.. player come to play n win the game. people want to watch player win the game (WITHOUT disturb the player i should say)..

cheers

gosh if every professional tennis/rugby/football/table tennis/badminton/volleyball/golf player thinks like you then there'll probably be no one buying tickets to watch the sport -- god knows whether they will spend a fortune for 4 mins of play!

If Taufik is that emotional, then the problem is not on whether the system of badminton is good enough, but the problem is Taufik's emotion itself.

I hate to put it this way, but honestly, would you say the same thing if the one who left today was Peter Gade/ Lin Dan/ LCW, or even Tiger Woods/ Maria Sharapova/ Serena Williams/ David Beckham?

I doubt.

[red00ecstrat]

picture number 2
after arguing with the referee and the umpire then decided to leave!

[red00ecstrat]

picture number 3
shake hand with lan din.

[red00ecstrat]

picture number 4
leaving lin dan

[red00ecstrat]

picture number 5
dressing down the line judge. part 1.

[red00ecstrat]

picture number 6
dressing down the line judge. part 2!
darn! just look like he's giving that "v sign" to me!!!!!!!!!

[red00ecstrat]

picture number 7
packing up.

[red00ecstrat]

finally, picture number 8
after shaked hand with lin dan yet again then walked away!
the most funniest part is li yungbo! look at him! he just can't help laughting!!!!!
ok! go on your discussion!!!:D :D :D

[hcyong]

when s't goes "Stupid" (like that call), of course it's gonna disturb everything....

And how do you know the call was actually "stupid"?

[Avatar]

[quote=bkoe6453]Well, have you ever been cheated when you play a game???
> sure, during a regional competition when i was younger, we think that the opposition cheated on the score which we disputed. the worst is that it was in a duce, 2 points away from the title. to me, that's pretty important.
we lost that match.

[quote=bkoe6453] what's your feeling if someone cheat you??
>unfair, unhappy.

[quote=bkoe6453] can you accept that straight away??
>no, but we never walk off, we fought on, we were beaten.

[quote=bkoe6453] it's not that easy to accept that.
>yes, it is not easy, but u have to accept it and stop whining, or else u will lose even more.

[quote=bkoe6453] some people might, but most people may not.
>that's why u need to learn to be mentally strong. that's why people priase the never give up fighters, and dishonour the quitting sore losers.
this is what i always try to think: i may lose, but not without a fight!

[quote=bkoe6453]
-and of course there is no point to continue the match when your feeling

-your mind is not in the game! u r just gonna play to entertain the audience.

>this is where your thoughts becomes bitter and make a wrong turn.
this is what you (Him) should be thinking: that stupid call is so wrong, BUT, i AM NOT here to entertain the audience! i AM here to trash my opponent, and to prove that i AM superior. i will get through this! let's get the officials out to make it clear n fair. there is no way that i m going to lose or forfeit because of 2 bad calls by a lady! i AM aiming for the WC and Asian games. my target is bigger and better than Lin Dan. If i waste him now, i would be his demoralizer in our next meeting in a few weeks... making it easier for me to defeat him. HA!

instead, if you think like Taufik:
1. prize$? got plenty at home...
2. trophies? got plent at home... champion in olympics, AE, countless...! , I don't care about this little 6 Star HKO. it's like an amateur exhibition show.
3. the line judge favors the opposition, they don't like me, the hell with it. byebye.

now that this happen, Lin Dan thinks: what a great psychological advantage i have over Taufik. i may not be able to overcome his great backhands and netshots, but his mental game is so unstable, i can remind him of what happen today and repeat my success in a few weeks!

Sun Tze: know yourself, know your opponent; hundreds battles, hundred victories.

i say: accept your weakness, seek improvement, success is near.
no desire to win, no victories.

[cao ci dan]

:) :) great pics red...thankz alot...:crying: :crying: but how could you spell Lin Dan as Lan Din...lol :D :D

[bad_fanatic]

Well Taufik has always been known as a tempermental player, I just think that went over board this time. He didn't need to make those gesture to the line gudges like that.

[cao ci dan]

picture number 3
shake hand with lan din.
LD looks so innocent :p and i think he's a bit worried that hot-tempered TH might hit him with the racket!!:D

[2cents]

Great snapshots, Thanks red00ecstrat, no one else had better pictures than you! :)

[Qidong]

I like one rule in American football is that the players can't touch or insult the umpires or they will be kicked out and penalized. I like to see this rule in all sports, including badminton. They is no reason to insult the line judge woman like that if he thought she made a bad call. :o

[blueagle]

maybe this would be of help...:)

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/badminton-central/content/view/16/35/

[bad_fanatic]

Come to think of it, Lin Dan got bad calls while play LCW at the Malaysia Open but he still continued. He didn't just throw a tantrum and walk off. Well atlease not until the ceremony and he didn't take it out on the line gudges.

[kwun]

awesome coverage Cheung and red.

[Avatar]

how can Li YongBo NOT be laughing?! a very funny joke in an very entertaining fashion indeed! his top gun Lin Dan advanced without a fight with an early xmas gift from Taufik. extra energy conserved for the next match! only Taufik is defeated and blinded by his own fury.

Lan Dan? hahaahaa, that typo is funny too... :)
Lan in chinese means lazy, broken, or bad. Lin Dan is none of that! haahhaaa

[Han]

We all know Taufik is the first player to win Olympic(2004) and World Champiohsip(2005) and now, the first one to walk off the court in such an early stage(score 4-1?) to protest. Regardless, I don't think Taufik has doubt about his ability to duel with Lin Dan but I think he just didn't feel like Hong Kong is the neutral ground after the "bad" call. If his opponent is not Lin Dan, I don't think he would have done that, Taufik and Lin Dan just can't co-exist for whatever reason :(
Anyway, Taufik "walk-off" incidence will not have big impact on the next round as Lin Dan next opponent Jonassen breezed thru into semi final so were LCW and Chen Jin. The only impact is on Lin Dan as not playing in QF(bye) may affect his rhythm.
Chen Jin vs Lee Chong Wei is the mark key matchup as thse two may very well meet again in WC during QF/SF. It's good to for LCW and Li Mau to find out more about Chen Jin.
So lets all gather in our Badmintonfurom chatroom Friday/Sat and cheer for Team Malaysia ... plus other Teams :D

[2cents]

I like one rule in American football is that the players can't touch or insult the umpires or they will be kicked out and penalized. I like to see this rule in all sports, including badminton. They is no reason to insult the line judge woman like that if he thought she made a bad call. :o

Well said! http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[red00ecstrat]

at that time. i was sitting on the floor right next to that line judge with my shoulder touched her knee. so, instead of her. i dare to say no one can see it clearer than me! that shuttle was indeed landed on the line. the only problem was the line judge called an out at the beginning. but within 1/125 second later:p she "re-call" it as in. and that's why taufik wasn't convinced!

[saugusli]

Hi Rhinovinda,

How to train his emotion? Do you have experience?

and also how about the dicisions? (First time = out, second time = in). will be using what? first time or second time? It is difficult to explain right.

If score: 19-20 and something wrong with lineman, what happen??? This new Score very risky...... This score must change to 15 point.

If new score want to use forever, I think IBF must prepare the Video and see again the correct one. So anybody not dissapointed.

This Hongkong Open, Audience, Taufik's Team, Lin Dan's Team dissappinted.




You know, actually the bad calls happened to Taufik at 2002 Thomas Cup Final when he played Lee Tsuen Tseng in Guangzhou-China. Two calls had been controversy and it affected so much on Taufik's play. Finally, since he was so emotional then he lost the game. It think at this time, he also felt the same emotion and based on the experience there is no use to continue the game since he doesnt have the mood any longer to play. Sure at the end if it is continued, he could have been defeated by LD easily. So the solution is, Taufik's coach (Mulyo) has to train his emotion instead of his technique and strategy.

[kwun]

Taufik is Taufik.

brilliantly skillful, yet rotten spoiled.

[dranmo]

Taufik is Taufik.

brilliantly skillful, yet rotten spoiled.

Agree~ and thats why we love him so much or hate him so much
kakakaka

[kurama]

Agree~ and thats why we love him so much or hate him so much
kakakaka

hahaha...agree
又愛又恨(love him:p and hate him:mad: )

[cooler]

IBF should learn from tennis world.

Allow instant replay upon player request during the match.
Of course, it should be limited to 2 or 3 time per game.

I watched Rogers Cup and US open this year. It did not slow down the game.
yes, i like instant replay or view angle from other tv camera.
Replay actually promote badminton excitement.
Having questionable calls unresolved or resolved by umpire ruling or player walking off the court does no good to the sport of badminton.

[hydrocyanic]

My 2 cents:
Taufik plays for himself, NOT TO ENTERTAIN the spectators. If he thinks that there is no point in continuing, its his decision. To demand him: "play for me bitch" is what is immature, not Taufik. Taufik is not your family doctor or your neighborhood policeman, he has no responsibility of playing to your satisfaction.

As to who is really the top dawg, the big daddy, the head honcho ... one more month and everybody can shut the hell up.

its the same as saying its someone's decision to shoot another person off the head, its his decision and he live for himself, not for others

hello there, badminton has rules, and we live in a country that has law to enforce the citizen

yes, play for us, bitch, he get paid to play and we pay the first place, if he can win

that is really unprofessional

[madbad]

I guess it's whether they can actually use the TV broadcast as evidence for line calls and if it will hold up under the current rules of badminton. Tennis has obviously taken steps to address this as there seem to be many more line disputes. Don't forget, they have the $$$ in tennis to install state-of-the-art equipment to make those decisions. Seems to be a good addition to that sport.

[hydrocyanic]

well, Taufik hidayat has a bad tempered. What phaarix said is the truth. i know TH personally, he is really hate being cheated when he is playing. he cant withstand from the situation. he did the same all the time when those things happen. some people say he is childish. but, who's care?!! if no fair-play, what for he has to continue the game?? Remember, he is not new player in world championship. he has got everything (all england, olympic, world champion, etc). walk out from "only little" HK Open does not cost anything. he want a FAIR-PLAY game. also, as phaarix said, he want to enjoy himself.

in my opinion, that kind of incident is not a strange phenomena, especially in TH 'world'. seen many-many times already.

cheers

then he should just play in IO where the line judges will favor him over others, ridiculous comment

being professional means one has to live w/ things that does not favor him, its a norm that when you play against someone's home, there will always be some miss call, be it actual or mental

live with it, or don't bother playing

TH might be mistreated this time, but every player would be mistreated from time to time as well, how many of them quitted the game?

remember people critized LD for kicking his racket? he still play through it at least, not saying he is mature, but at least professionally played through it

[Treker]

I think Taufik's behavior is severely damaged the sports. So here are the suggestions to IBF:

1) Suspend Taufik for rest of the year;
2) Set up instant replay for all the 5* and 6* tournaments.

IBF's website is http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ibf.asp (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ibf.asp). Go to Inside IBF page and call or email your local IBF council (all email all of them) to send in the suggestion.

If you love this sport, please act!

Thanks!

[cooler]

I think majority here concluded correctly (imo) that taufik's action was very unprofessional. A good rivalry alway mire with controversies and this one is prolly badminton's #1 rivalry. I believe taufik knows his chance of beating LD in this HK open is not good and he does not has an injury excuse to use this time around. He was looking a way out and he had found it. It is fair to say that taufik thinks he won't get a fair shake because this is HK, basically now china, LD home turf. However, i think HK people (linejudges) aren't like those in china. The linejudge made a bad call but corrected within 0.125 second. We have enough witness saying that the shuttle was in, so the linejudge was correct in the end. If taufik think he is walking into a fire, he shouldn't enter the HK in the first place. Don't enter it and then whimp out. I think IBF should hand out some sort of disciplinary action (fine and/or tournament suspension). He had made a mockery of badminton and deny the fans a paid opportunity to watch a good match.

It is unfair to take away LD's chance to beat taufik. Now, with this action, taufik still can say LD never beaten him yet because the 06 HK match doesn't count, I forfeited it, LD didn't beat me. LYB laughed because his main nemesis act like a fool today, plus laughing at taufik's coach too because he can't control his #1 player.

In 2005 malaysian open, lin dan received at least 2 bad calls (first game and third game, LD won the 2nd game because no bad call in second round. LD was way ahead of LCW in the first and 3rd game too). LD played on. Peter gade lost a match against chen jin because of a bad call (china open), he accepted it.

[george333]

Why, what did Taufik do Treker?

[khwong]

I don't think this is necessary. I am sure IBF will come up with some form of punishment to prevent players from walking out of tournaments. It's damaging to the the world of badminton.

[quik_silver]

Why, what did Taufik do Treker?
Prolly Treker is a Taufik hater. :eek: :cool:

[quik_silver]

I don't think this is necessary. I am sure IBF will come up with some form of punishment to prevent players from walking out of tournaments. It's damaging to the the world of badminton.
Taufik prolly earned enough, he might think he's too good for badminton.

And when did he walk out of the tournament.

[ctjcad]

.....thanks for all the pics..sorry, just able to follow up on this thread this morning..
Cheung, i thought you said you weren't going to take any pics, rather enjoy the match??..hehe;)..
Anyways, thanks again for the coverage, Cheung..You even ran outside to take a pic of Taufik and his coach walking down the stair..:p ;) :D

[ctjcad]

But they CAN leave whenever they want. They CAN default the match to the opposition. Not everyone is the same though. Taufik personally likes to only play in a fair environment, and if he thinks it is unfair, whether it be true or not, he has the right to stop playing.
If Taufik participates in this yr's WC and meet LinDan again, hopefully he or LinDan will not do the same mistake again. Because for sure, Taufik will arrive in Madrid with a "bull's-eye" on his back..As all eyes will be on him, watching his every move on and off the court...
I'll say, no matter if Taufik believe what he did was "right" for him or not to play in an "unfair" environment, his actions definitely embarrassed not only his coach, teammates, countrymen, his fans worldwide but also his family..:rolleyes: :p :(

[ctjcad]

My 2 cents:
Taufik plays for himself, NOT TO ENTERTAIN the spectators. If he thinks that there is no point in continuing, its his decision. To demand him: "play for me bitch" is what is immature, not Taufik. Taufik is not your family doctor or your neighborhood policeman, he has no responsibility of playing to your satisfaction.

As to who is really the top dawg, the big daddy, the head honcho ... one more month and everybody can shut the hell up.
Hmm, Taufik doesn't realize(maybe he did, but just wasn't thinking right) he's playing in an International competition, not some local tournaments/exhibitions...And one which people pay "real" money to see...And my guess is the money itself is probably what the tournament's prize monies are comprised of??..Walking out like that after just a start of the game and acting rudely like he's the "top brass", esp. to a volunteer lineslady, in front of thousands or possibly millions of people, after a close or questionable call is not the way to go..It's totally uncalled for and worst, it's disrespectful to the fans who paid money to see..:p :mad:
..Even if Taufik is to compete and if he's able to defend his World Championship title next month(which i highly doubt he will), he will be playing with a "mark" on himself..Hopefully he's embarrassed by his actions and will put forth an apology(if not to the lineslady or to the organizer or to the fans, just like LinDan "sort of" did after the MO incident)..Because if not, he'll be putting more pressure on himself next month..:p :o

[TrueBlue]

I think Taufik's behavior is severely damaged the sports. So here are the suggestions to IBF:

1) Suspend Taufik for rest of the year;
2) Set up instant replay for all the 5* and 6* tournaments.

IBF's website is http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ibf.asp (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/ibf.asp). Go to Inside IBF page and call or email your local IBF council (all email all of them) to send in the suggestion.

If you love this sport, please act!

Thanks!

He should also excuse himself for his behaviour at you.

[ctjcad]

at that time. i was sitting on the floor right next to that line judge with my shoulder touched her knee. so, instead of her. i dare to say no one can see it clearer than me! that shuttle was indeed landed on the line. the only problem was the line judge called an out at the beginning. but within 1/125 second later:p she "re-call" it as in. and that's why taufik wasn't convinced!
that's what i thought also, that it was a very tough and hard to call...sigh:rolleyes: :p

[Eurasian =--(O)]

What if the IBF fines or suspends Taufik and he quits?! Taufik knows the WBF (new IBF right?) can't do much to him because of his value to the sport and marketability.

[madbad]

I don't think this is necessary. I am sure IBF will come up with some form of punishment to prevent players from walking out of tournaments. It's damaging to the the world of badminton.

No they won't (or at least meaningfully). IBF has no backbone

[Vtec101]

I really can't believe how some people are actually trying to justify TH's actions. TH is competing at the highest level of the sport and for him to act this way is embarrasing, not only to himself, but to the sport. Everyone who plays this sport have had bad calls, not that I'm saying the lineslady made a bad call.
For those of you who says TH can't compete due to the unfairness, would he have walked off the court had a linesperson made a bad call against his opponent? Of course not. It's all part of the sport, everyone makes mistakes. And for TH to act this way due to ONE call perceived as "bad" by him, that's not a mark of a sportsman. And as someone mentioned, if he is worried about getting bad calls, he should just play in Indonesia, then he MIGHT get all the calls his way.
I used to admire TH for his skill and talent, but unless he matures and stop acting so spoiled, I won't miss him playing.

[ctjcad]

What if the IBF fines or suspends Taufik and he quits?! Taufik knows the WBF (new IBF right?) can't do much to him because of his value to the sport and marketability.
For all that matter, i doubt if Taufik really cares if he'll still compete in IBF or not...It seemed like Taufik has taken the sport, for what it has given him in his career, for granted...:(:p
If i'm PBSI or IBF's President, this might sound too harsh for those Taufik's fans, but i will disciplined him for the rest of the year or even longer by not allowing him to participate in any tournament(s), yes incl. the WC next month and the World Cup at end of yr?? This is to show who is "boss" and it is not Taufik. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't only apply to Taufik but to all players. Let him feel how it is not playing the sport he's been successful at and just watching it from home on his tv. If he wants to participate again, let him write a letter to the top PBSI or IBF brass requesting a re-instatement to play again, but with some conditions.
It sounds silly considering he's the current Olympic and World Champ, but hey, they've got to get this kind of actions/behaviors "locked up". Trust me, doing this will benefit the sport more in the long run rather than "baby" a player like Taufik..:p:(
Besides, he's got enough money to burn and it's not as if badminton will "die" without him...:p :rolleyes:

[madbad]

For all that matter, i doubt if Taufik really cares if he'll still compete in IBF or not...It seemed like Taufik has taken the sport, for what it has given him in his career, for granted...:(:p
If i'm PBSI or IBF's President, this might sound too harsh for those Taufik's fans, but i will disciplined him for the rest of the year or even longer by not allowing him to participate in any tournament(s). This not only apply to Taufik but to all players. Let him feel how it is not playing the sport and just watching it from home. If he wants to participate again, let him write a letter to the top PBSI or IBF brass requesting a re-instatement to play again, but with some conditions.
It sounds silly considering he's the current Olympic and World Champ, but hey, they've got to get this kind of actions "locked up".
Besides, he's got enough money to burn and it's not as if badminton will "die" without him...:p :rolleyes:

I agree. Taufik's talents are unquestioned but his attitude is wrong. I think many have grown tired of his act and have no more time for it. I for one (a big ex-Taufik fan now), have. That said, badminton will go on without him. There are still many great players that can maintain spectator interest in international badminton.

Sadly, even if IBF or PBSI take action in whatever form–fine, suspension, both–it wouldn't hurt Taufik much, at least from a monetary standpoint. I bet he could just walk away from the game without batting an eyelid. Personally, I see a man who has lost his competitive zest for the game.

[Vtec101]

These were TH's words after he beat the spectator with his racket back in 2001.

"The spectators don't have the right to offend me because I take part in the tournament to entertain them. He does not have any respect for me."

So for those of you who says he's not there to entertain the fans, but only play for himself, I think you need to rethink that idea. Without the fans, there will be no sport, whether it's badminton, auto racing, football or basketball.

[chibe_K]

It would be inappropriate if Taufik did that to other players, but with LD, I cheer for Taufik! Good job !!! I hope more players will slap on LD face. This is not my prejudice against players from China. In fact, one of my favourites MDs is Fu/Cai. I just don't have respect for LD for his lack of sportsmanship.

[madbad]

I just don't have respect for LD for his lack of sportsmanship.

Sportsmanship? Did you not just contradict yourself in support of Taufik?

[kwun]

It would be inappropriate if Taufik did that to other players, but with LD, I cheer for Taufik! Good job !!! I hope more players will slap on LD face. This is not my prejudice against players from China. In fact, one of my favourites MDs is Fu/Cai. I just don't have respect for LD for his lack of sportsmanship.

i disagree. this is not the best way to slap on LD's face. the best way is for TH to beat LD square and fair. play till the end of the game and show LD who's the boss.

TH walked out like this not only give LD the right to advance to the next round, also comes with it are higher ranking points and more prize money for LD. and at the same time, TH gets a bad reputation and get condemned by fans. to me, that's more like a slap on TH's own face than LD's.

[chibe_K]

I always like to hear different opinions...what you all said against TH make a whole lot sense to me. I am sure most would agree that what TH did was wrong, he was not using his head, there are better ways to protest, ...etc. At least, he cared enough to walk over to LD and shook his hand. After the incident, IBF should look into the matter seriously what triggered TH's behavior. This is not the first time player protests against a bad line call. "IBF, its time to do something and improve the standard of running a tournament". Also, what about the incident few months ago that LD refused to accept the ..not sure what you call that hat...on the podium at Malaysia Open. Did IBF do something serious about it ????

[madbad]

I always like to hear different opinions...what you all said against TH make a whole lot sense to me. I am sure most would agree that what TH did was wrong, he was not using his head, there are better ways to protest, ...etc. At least, he cared enough to walk over to LD and shook his hand. After the incident, IBF should look into the matter seriously what triggered TH's behavior. This is not the first time player protests against a bad line call. "IBF, its time to do something and improve the standard of running a tournament". Also, what about the incident few months ago that LD refused to accept the ..not sure what you call that hat...on the podium at Malaysia Open. Did IBF do something serious about it ????
See my first post on this thread

[chibe_K]

Sportsmanship? Did you not just contradict yourself in support of Taufik? This time it was TH, previously was LD doing something else....in short, these two players lack sportsmanship but LD is the worst example of all. I hope other players do not follow when they reach the top. In any case, I have lots of respects for TH for being outspoken against PBSI or any organizations. Not only he is good, he has the guts to do something publicly !

[cooler]

It would be inappropriate if Taufik did that to other players, but with LD, I cheer for Taufik! Good job !!! I hope more players will slap on LD face. This is not my prejudice against players from China. In fact, one of my favourites MDs is Fu/Cai. I just don't have respect for LD for his lack of sportsmanship.

1) taufik contravened an IBF rule, LD didn't
2) LD (by proxy through a spoken person) did make an apology for the 2006 MO incident.

Let see if taufik would make a such public apology.

I think we too the fans got emotionally and i think we dont need to send a petiton. I'm sure the ibf will make note of this incident and make corrective measures better badminton.

I don't want to dump more on taufik but not only did he slapped LD's face, he also slapped the faces of his coach, pbsi, his family, WBF (ibf), the umpire, the linejudges, and the fans.

[TaRaKaN]

It would be inappropriate if Taufik did that to other players, but with LD, I cheer for Taufik! Good job !!! I hope more players will slap on LD face. This is not my prejudice against players from China. In fact, one of my favourites MDs is Fu/Cai. I just don't have respect for LD for his lack of sportsmanship.


I disagree with your above statement. I do not think that this is a case of Taufik against Lin Dan. Yes they have their rivalry but to imply that Taufik slapped Lin Dan in the face is done so without strong facts behind it. Now you are giving the impression that Taufik did this on purpose to spite Lin. This is wrong. Taufik is an emotional player and he has done this in the past. I for one do not think that this was against Lin, just against poor line calls. That is my opinion. You have yours, just do not put words into the players mouths. That is wrong.

[Viper2005]

I also favor a $$$fine and suspension for Taufik's unsportsman like conduct.

What Taufik lost is priceless, his image, reputation, fans, and team mates respect. He may have affected Sony's performance during his game.

Oh well, see what happens in World Championship.

Does IBF have the right not to accept his entry/application? Or just not send him an invitation? IBF's reason would be, why bother, he's just going to walk out again!

[hydrocyanic]

I always like to hear different opinions...what you all said against TH make a whole lot sense to me. I am sure most would agree that what TH did was wrong, he was not using his head, there are better ways to protest, ...etc. At least, he cared enough to walk over to LD and shook his hand. After the incident, IBF should look into the matter seriously what triggered TH's behavior. This is not the first time player protests against a bad line call. "IBF, its time to do something and improve the standard of running a tournament". Also, what about the incident few months ago that LD refused to accept the ..not sure what you call that hat...on the podium at Malaysia Open. Did IBF do something serious about it ????
at the very least LD finished the game, where as TH did not

LD was obviously acting immature and unprofessional at MO, but TH was breaking the rules for not finishing the game and being rude on the judge

i would say suspend the next coming tournament, monetary punishment is useless on TH, he might not be the wealthest person on earth, but rich enough not to care

i am amazed by how fans can support a wrongful act so blindly...

[kwun]

i have merged the two discussion threads on taufik's incident in the HK Open, as they both coverged to discussing the same topic.

and thanks everyone for discussing this matter in such a civilized manner. every person's opinion are naturally different, but the key is to respect what each other said, and disagree in a respectful manner in return.

[chikkubhai]

holy cow..

So much happened and I was the last to witness it.. well alaskas way behind the time line anyways who would have really won the match anyways....??? Any good game by TH atleast??

[chibe_K]

picture number 5
dressing down the line judge. part 1. This is a classic picture, I love it !!! Making a V gesture against the referee to protest.....hey Taufik, you are the man !

[Cheung]

Definately wrong behaviour by Taufik this time. I saw some calls for videoing the line for replays. Not an option at the moment. Our sport isn't rich enough as yet. It took many years for tennis to introduce the service line technology.

Here, I think IBF needs to have a discussion with the line judge, umpire and referee and get a formal match report. Then, consider if Taufik needs some sort of fine.

For my PERSONAL OPINION, Taufik should be fined. If he refuses to pay, some sort of suspension from IBF sactioned tournaments. e.g next 3 tournaments (5*/6* tournaments)

And the coach shouldn't be allowed on court for a some time either.

[Treker]

No they won't (or at least meaningfully). IBF has no backbone

Yes, I agree with your comment about IBF. That’s the reason for us to act and let them know how we as the base of the sports think regarding this type of unprofessional behavior.

The IBF has been running like a non profit organization (or it is). All the councils have their own full time job. Attending council meeting during a 6* tournament is just like going to a big party for them. Have we all seen how often the scoring system changes? IBF should really start to learn from other pro sports and running the sports like a real profitable business or give the right to some companies to run it.

I love to watch Taufik plays. I would definitely miss his net touches and the backhand smashes if he got suspended. But for the good of this sports, suspend him, please!

On the joke side, I heard one report said Taufik walked out of the stadium and said he is going to Macau….watch your arms, Taufik….that’s the least place you want to be after making some big bets losing….or maybe it’s the other way around….hmmmm…:rolleyes:

[ctjcad]

Definately wrong behaviour by Taufik this time. I saw some calls for videoing the line for replays. Not an option at the moment. Our sport isn't rich enough as yet. It took many years for tennis to introduce the service line technology.

Here, I think IBF needs to have a discussion with the line judge, umpire and referee and get a formal match report. Then, consider if Taufik needs some sort of fine.

For my PERSONAL OPINION, Taufik should be fined. If he refuses to pay, some sort of suspension from IBF sactioned tournaments. e.g next 3 tournaments (5*/6* tournaments)

And the coach shouldn't be allowed on court for a some time either.
Cheung, just out of curiousity, don't you feel a bit "hosed" by what happened??..i mean you probably expected a real entertaining match but then it ended abruptly?? and probably "ruined" the rest of the day for you(and most likely most of the spectators), eventhough there were still some good matches..:p;)

[cooler]

This time it was TH, previously was LD doing something else....in short, these two players lack sportsmanship but LD is the worst example of all. I hope other players do not follow when they reach the top. In any case, I have lots of respects for TH for being outspoken against PBSI or any organizations. Not only he is good, he has the guts to do something publicly !
yup, for all of us to see too.
Btw, 'that something' he did, what did he achieve and to which organization?

[Simp84]

People forget it.... the reason u are all so pissed is because u all missed the most highly anticipated game of all time
Taufik has the right to quit, no one owns him, he has his reasons and you should respect it, you all felt offended because you all couldn't draw conclusion from the match. Of course I am disappointed because I myself wants to know who is greater.

But to be honest he did not offend anyone, other than the line judge and some anti-Taufiks fans. Compared this to LD's indcident of not accepting the Malaysian gift, LD's action is like saying F*** Off to entire Malaysia nation and his fans accross the globe who were watching it live.
Anyway this was a quater-final, and it was not on air, only a small damage was done.. especially to small number of people in the stadium.. whos probably traumatised for life.. lol

[cooler]

People forget it.... the reason u are all so pissed is because u all missed the most highly anticipated game of all time
Taufik has the right to quit, no one owns him, he has his reasons and you should respect it, you all felt offended because you all couldn't draw conclusion from the match. Of course I am disappointed because I myself wants to know who is greater.

But to be honest he did not offend anyone, other than the line judge and some anti-Taufiks fans. Compared this to LD's indcident of not accepting the Malaysian gift, LD's action is like saying F*** Off to entire Malaysia nation and his fans accross the globe who were watching it live.
Anyway this was a quater-final, and it was not on air, only a small damage was done.. especially to small number of people in the stadium.. whos probably traumatised for life.. lol

u r so wrong... u don't see the big ramification of this incident.

first, LD did stay and entertained the crowd, MAL fans happy coz LCW won. LD apologized later.

second, the big one, is this single action quashed all the effort by us fans and ibf to promote badminton and getting more sponsorship. If ibf doesn't fix or control this 'unexpected' game fortfeiture, badminton will see LESS sponsorship, even from asia countries and companies. What sponsors would want to associate their names with this kind of event?? What tv channel want to slot in badminton program with players walking out games on a whim?? less sponsorship= less money=less marketing=less popularity=less new talent=badminton going downhill

if ibf doesnt do anything, watch sponsorship to slip off.
that means yonex has to bear more of the funding and sponsorship, which mean higher cost on new badminton equips. Yes, taufik action will costs us all.


Paramount Picture terminated Tom Cruise's contract because of tom's unpredictable off screen behavior. Yes, off screen behavior was enough to get his contract terminated. Taufik behavior here is like on screen during a take.

[phaarix]

I really can't believe how some people are actually trying to justify TH's actions. TH is competing at the highest level of the sport and for him to act this way is embarrasing, not only to himself, but to the sport. Everyone who plays this sport have had bad calls, not that I'm saying the lineslady made a bad call.
For those of you who says TH can't compete due to the unfairness, would he have walked off the court had a linesperson made a bad call against his opponent? Of course not. It's all part of the sport, everyone makes mistakes. And for TH to act this way due to ONE call perceived as "bad" by him, that's not a mark of a sportsman. And as someone mentioned, if he is worried about getting bad calls, he should just play in Indonesia, then he MIGHT get all the calls his way.
I used to admire TH for his skill and talent, but unless he matures and stop acting so spoiled, I won't miss him playing.
And I can't believe some people are actually taking it so seriously :rolleyes:!

Most people who have quoted me since I last posted seem to have completely misunderstood me. That could be my fault for not making myself clear, or people not fully reading all my posts (and only quoting a small irrelevant part). I am NOT trying to blindly defend him (like I stated earlier). I'm simply trying to say that it's honestly not that big a deal. What he did wasn't super professional, but nor was it super UNprofessional.

I just don't understand how people can dwell so much on such a thing...


second, the big one, is this single action quashed all the effort by us fans and ibf to promote badminton and getting more sponsorship. If ibf doesn't fix or control this 'unexpected' game fortfeiture, badminton will see LESS sponsorship, even from asia countries and companies. What sponsors would want to associate their names with this kind of event?? What tv channel want to slot in badminton program with players walking out games on a whim?? less sponsorship= less money=less marketing=less popularity=less new talent=badminton going downhill

That's all a matter of assumption, and based on what? I still think you're making far too big a deal out of such a simple thing. Of course, if that really does happen I'll change my mind on the matter. But so far I see no reason for any of that to happen.


and thanks everyone for discussing this matter in such a civilized manner. every person's opinion are naturally different, but the key is to respect what each other said, and disagree in a respectful manner in return.
I guess you can't change anyone's opinion. And if you could, they wouldn't be likely to admit it. Once again, I've stated mine (hopefully more clearly this time...), and it's not about to change so please stop trying to belittle everything I say :(.

[modious]

Badminton is Taufik's livelihood. He is a professional and should understand that he has an obligation to play while enertaining the spectators. If every sportsman is going to just walk away without finishing whatever they're competing in, then do you think people will bother to pay watching and suddenly the game is over less than 5 mins later???

No spectators = No demand/popularity = No Revenue = No Tournaments.

[modious]

I just don't understand how people can dwell so much on such a thing...


It's definately not as minor as you think. What he did may have serious implications in the future as other players may do the same if IBF does not do anything about it.

[phaarix]

It's definately not as minor as you think. What he did may have serious implications in the future as other players may do the same if IBF does not do anything about it.

Well if that does happen, I may just change my mind, but I don't see anything like that happening sorry.

[ChocoChipWaffle]

In 2005 malaysian open, lin dan received at least 2 bad calls (first game and third game, LD won the 2nd game because no bad call in second round. LD was way ahead of LCW in the first and 3rd game too). LD played on.

Yes but he acted just as obnoxious as taufik afterwards:D ... not that i am supporting TH this time he was a jerk

[ctjcad]

People forget it.... the reason u are all so pissed is because u all missed the most highly anticipated game of all time
Taufik has the right to quit, no one owns him, he has his reasons and you should respect it, you all felt offended because you all couldn't draw conclusion from the match. Of course I am disappointed because I myself wants to know who is greater.

But to be honest he did not offend anyone, other than the line judge and some anti-Taufiks fans. Compared this to LD's indcident of not accepting the Malaysian gift, LD's action is like saying F*** Off to entire Malaysia nation and his fans accross the globe who were watching it live.
Anyway this was a quater-final, and it was not on air, only a small damage was done.. especially to small number of people in the stadium.. whos probably traumatised for life.. lol
In a way, you are correct in a sense that a lot of us(probably the fans who are watching it live there are the ones most affected) were upset because he didn't provide us with what we wanted to see..
However, you don't see the point that a lot of us have been saying and repeating over & over. Sure, what he did which i've highlighted in bold above is not "life threatening". But what abt his opponent, which happened to be LinDan. Don't you think he "offended" him by behaving like that??After only 1 questionable call, early in the game??..
What if the next tournament he participates in, his opponent(s) disagree with the linesmen's *FIRST* call abt 4-5 minutes into the game and decide to just walk off, forfeiting the game to Taufik. And so forth. It's going to be a farce and joke to the rest of the world. And how will Taufik feel abt that?? I mean don't tell me he wants to be the next World Champion thru winning by forfeit..?!?!..How would you feel if he actually defend his title like that??..:p :rolleyes:

One last comment, especially to those doubters:I know most of us are familiar with Tony Gunawan correct?? Now, in you guys' opinion, do you think Tony will act like what Taufik did in that instance??..Just something to wonder about..:rolleyes:;)

[modious]

Well if that does happen, I may just change my mind, but I don't see anything like that happening sorry.

you don't wait for something to blow up before acting upon it. Prevention is always better than cure.

[ctjcad]

It's definately not as minor as you think. What he did may have serious implications in the future as other players may do the same if IBF does not do anything about it.
I concur!..there you go, that's another ramification/implications/affect of his actions and if IBF or the powers that be don't take control..;)

[phaarix]

you don't wait for something to blow up before acting upon it. Prevention is always better than cure.

Well I'm not sure what I could really do about it other than wait lol :p.

[ctjcad]

Well if that does happen, I may just change my mind, but I don't see anything like that happening sorry.

you don't wait for something to blow up before acting upon it. Prevention is always better than cure.
Concur with you, modious..
Hmm, you think so heh, phaarix?? before this incident, do you think this kind of incident could happen, (eventhough it happened with Taufik before)??..Who knew anything like this will happen, again? And especially after the LinDan's incident at the MO...
And if this doesn't get tackled, who knows what's going to happen next??..:p :rolleyes: :(

[2cents]

you don't wait for something to blow up before acting upon it. Prevention is always better than cure.

It did happened already. When Taufik walked off, thousands of spectators shouted for refunding their tickets. :crying:

[Simp84]

Ok OK taufik ruined badminton, thats what everyone wanna hear

But look on the bright side.. at least that might alert IBF to put camera on court for replay.. to promote fair play
We shall see

[hcyong]

at that time. i was sitting on the floor right next to that line judge with my shoulder touched her knee. so, instead of her. i dare to say no one can see it clearer than me! that shuttle was indeed landed on the line. the only problem was the line judge called an out at the beginning. but within 1/125 second later:p she "re-call" it as in. and that's why taufik wasn't convinced!

:eek: If I was Taufik, I would be pissed off, too. We can't have linejudges playing hanky-panky with the photographers. Next time, when you want to touch her knee, do it outside the game, ok?

[hcyong]

Ok OK taufik ruined badminton, thats what everyone wanna hear

But look on the bright side.. at least that might alert IBF to put camera on court for replay.. to promote fair play
We shall see

No, Taufik is not big enough to ruin badminton. If half the players act like him, then yes, collectively, they may ruin badminton. Luckily, Taufik is a rare case.

Badminton does not have the money to implement these sort of technology. Even when we get to see it in some tournaments, I think it is the effort of the broadcasting company, not IBF.

[cklee]

Concur with you, modious..
Hmm, you think so heh, phaarix?? before this incident, do you think this kind of incident could happen, (eventhough it happened with Taufik before)??..Who knew anything like this will happen, again? And especially after the LinDan's incident at the MO...
And if this doesn't get tackled, who knows what's going to happen next??..:p :rolleyes: :(

Hey bros,

You're spot on. The fact that players know they can get away with their antics on court that they do it again and again. Those respectable uncles running IBF must put a stop to all this nonsense and misdemeanour on court once and for all before the game goes into disrepute and chaos. If these acts go on and repeats itself further as i expect them too --- badminton will be famous for 1 thing and 1 thing only - yup you guessed it!!

[ctjcad]

:eek: If I was Taufik, I would be pissed off, too. We can't have linejudges playing hanky-panky with the photographers. Next time, when you want to touch her knee, do it outside the game, ok?
gee red, hopefully the IBF officials won't have to call upon you to bear witness to the incident; with you sitting literally next to the court and most importantly equipped with your camera & tele-lens strapped on..:p;)

[cooler]

Ok OK taufik ruined badminton, thats what everyone wanna hear

But look on the bright side.. at least that might alert IBF to put camera on court for replay.. to promote fair play
We shall see yes, i hope ibf will learn from this but will taufik learn from this? I didnt say TH ruined badminton, u r exaggerating the negative to support your point, meaning your point was weak to start. I think badminton took a step backward today while many positive steps were made to progress badminton where it is today. Take a look at how many posts and thread here in bf on the subject of making badminton popular. It is very easy to weaken it then to strengthen it.

[red00ecstrat]

:eek: If I was Taufik, I would be pissed off, too. We can't have linejudges playing hanky-panky with the photographers. Next time, when you want to touch her knee, do it outside the game, ok?

i m glad u are no taufik. just relax man! i've been doing my job professionally for the past 15 years. i know what is right and what is wrong. my shoulder wasn't actually touched that line judge's knee. i was just sitting 1 seat behind her with that side by side distance. is that clear enough?
besides, do u think the umpire will allow me to sit that close?

[cooler]

i m glad u are no taufik. just relax man! i've been doing my job professionally for the past 15 years. i know what is right and what is wrong. my shoulder wasn't actually touched that line judge's knee. i was just sitting 1 seat behind her with that side by side distance. is that clear enough?
besides, do u think the umpire will allow me to sit that close?he might but i bet your wife won't tho :D

[hcyong]

i m glad u are no taufik. just relax man! i've been doing my job professionally for the past 15 years. i know what is right and what is wrong. my shoulder wasn't actually touched that line judge's knee. i was just sitting 1 seat behind her with that side by side distance. is that clear enough?
besides, do u think the umpire will allow me to sit that close?

I was only joking. Should have added a :) there.

[juniorjunior]

Sometimes players go thru a moment of madness....even great players....I guess taufik reacted in the heat of the moment....Remember a certain Zinedine Zidane who headbutted Marco Materazzi in the FIFA world cup;)

I m not saying what taufik did was right...just saying some people tend to act with their emotions rather than their heads....

[cooler]

Taufik boycotts semifinal due to judging dispute
(CRIENGLISH.com)
Updated: 2006-09-01 10:22

Indonesia's badminton star Taufik Hidayat boycotted a match against the defending champion Chinese Lin Dan because of a judging dispute in the Hong Kong Open semifinals.

Lin Dan of China won the match aganist Taufik of Indonesia to advance August 31, 2006. [Xinhua]


Taufik, who claimed both titles from the Athens Olympics in 2004 and the world championship in 2005, announced to quit the match after a dissension with the match's umpires.

The dispute came at the beginning of the first set as a side referee changed her judgment from out to in on a dispute point which makes Lin take a 4-1 lead.

Taufik assailed the referee and then went to the umpire asking for a scoring change. But the umpire refused it, which enraged the bad-tempered Indonesian who was once to boycott another match due to a same reason during the men's team final against the hosts South Korea in the Busan Asian Games in 2002.

Senior judging official Lui Ming Kai, who tried to mediate Taufik and the umpire but failed, had to announced the end of the match.

"The umpire and the side referee made the same judgment on the point but the player could not accept it. He insisted on boycotting the match, and what I can do is only to accept it and to report it to the International Badminton Federation," said Lui.

While Taufik refused to commented on the match, his rival Lin said it's an unexpected result.

"It's out of my expectation," said Lin. "I hoped to have a good match as there are not many chances to play against Taufik.

"I think respecting the umpire's decision should be a common sense for players. If I had been in the same situation, I would have chosen to go on playing.

"Actually it's just the beginning of the match, it's not a match point. No need to quit it just because of such a little dispute.

"Like players, referee also need time to warm up," said Lin.

Lin had won four of previous eight clash with Taufik and their ninth clash came into the spot light in the fourth day of the Hong Kong Open which is the last warm-up tournament ahead of the next month's world championships.

[hcyong]

Sometimes players go thru a moment of madness....even great players....I guess taufik reacted in the heat of the moment....Remember a certain Zinedine Zidane who headbutted Marco Materazzi in the FIFA world cup;)

I m not saying what taufik did was right...just saying some people tend to act with their emotions rather than their heads....

Yes, and Zidane got a three-match ban, not that it mattered to him.

Acting with emotions is not an excuse for doing something wrong.

[juniorjunior]

Yes, and Zidane got a three-match ban, not that it mattered to him.

Acting with emotions is not an excuse for doing something wrong.

that's true....but there is always one controversial player in every sport.....badminton=taufik, boxing=mike tyson, cricket=shane warne, rugby=countless:D , tennis=john mcenroe etc etc...haha...that's what makes the world of sport interesting....;)

These players do the most outrageous things and will undoubtedly pay for it....guess the politically right thing to say is what taufik is did was wrong and he will probably get what's coming to him(from the PBSI-maybe not....more likely from the IBF if they have the balls)

[jermaine]

totally agree with the report..

i believe we do agree with what Lin Dan say, showed maturity with his reply that even referees also need to warm up, and that is same for the linesmen.

see the mentality? "I think respecting the umpire's decision should be a common sense for players. If I had been in the same situation, I would have chosen to go on playing."

that is the true spirit of a national player.

[Scott Kam]

Any clear picture of the lineswoman?????

I was there Wednesday and Thursday night and found a lineswoman who is not doing her job seriously.

I want to know if it is she that doing TH-LD match.

I didn't go through each post but I still want to make some comments on this tournament: half-boiled planning, unprofessional attitude, only the prize-money which makes it big.

Everyone is victim....players, audience...

[indra]

Here, I think IBF needs to have a discussion with the line judge, umpire and referee and get a formal match report. Then, consider if Taufik needs some sort of fine.

For my PERSONAL OPINION, Taufik should be fined. If he refuses to pay, some sort of suspension from IBF sactioned tournaments. e.g next 3 tournaments (5*/6* tournaments)

And the coach shouldn't be allowed on court for a some time either.

Imposing fines or sanctions on TH ONLY for this incident will make things worse....

Umpire, linelady and referee contributed to the incident...

The solution is "Provide an instant video replay system in every international match especially 6* event"

[indra]

Any clear picture of the lineswoman?????

I was there Wednesday and Thursday night and found a lineswoman who is not doing her job seriously.

I want to know if it is she that doing TH-LD match.

I didn't go through each post but I still want to make some comments on this tournament: half-boiled planning, unprofessional attitude, only the prize-money which makes it big.

Everyone is victim....players, audience...

Ha..ha...BINGO!!!

[ctjcad]

Imposing fines or sanctions on TH ONLY for this incident will make things worse....

Umpire, linelady and referee contributed to the incident...

The solution is "Provide an instant video replay system in every international match especially 6* event"
indra, re the comments i've highlighted in bold above, please see red00ecstrat's account (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35765&page=5)(post #90), which he witnessed himself..notice, he even said "saw the shuttle landed on the line"...Now, how would you call that?? In or out?? Out or in??...:rolleyes: :p
BTW, let's move on. No matter how much argument there are FOR Taufik's actions, I think the wise thing to do now is to follow your "partner in crime", taufik-ist's action(see his thread)...;) :cool:

[cooler]

Imposing fines or sanctions on TH ONLY for this incident will make things worse....

Umpire, linelady and referee contributed to the incident...

The solution is "Provide an instant video replay system in every international match especially 6* event"

- please define 'things' in your first statement

- I can assure u that IBF will not fine the umpire nor the linejudge. To add, the linelady corrected her error right away. Closeby spectator(s) also supported an 'in' call. So, it was a bad call only from taufik point of view, not the umpire, nor linejudge nor spectator. So u mean taufik has the right to concede a match on any what he think it's bad calls anytime when he feels like it? Let me propose this scenario: If the linelady call in and then right away call out in favor of taufik, would taufik contest this call with the officials and walk off the court because it was a bad call? would lin dan concede the game coz it was a bad call against him?

read the ibf rule book, umpire has the final call. If video playback was use, someone still has the make the final call, and i think it would be still the umpire.

[hydrocyanic]

Sometimes players go thru a moment of madness....even great players....I guess taufik reacted in the heat of the moment....Remember a certain Zinedine Zidane who headbutted Marco Materazzi in the FIFA world cup;)

I m not saying what taufik did was right...just saying some people tend to act with their emotions rather than their heads....

yeah, and what did zidane get after he headbutted marco?

and what did TH get beside leaving the court? and leaving the court isn't a punishment, mind you, while zidane did get a red tix out of the field

see the reason why we need to give TH some punishment for his action now?
not something like a few thousand dollars, he is rich enough not to care nor learn from it either

[cooler]

that's true....but there is always one controversial player in every sport.....badminton=taufik, boxing=mike tyson, cricket=shane warne, rugby=countless:D , tennis=john mcenroe etc etc...haha...that's what makes the world of sport interesting....;)

These players do the most outrageous things and will undoubtedly pay for it....guess the politically right thing to say is what taufik is did was wrong and he will probably get what's coming to him(from the PBSI-maybe not....more likely from the IBF if they have the balls)

u should explain each case more thoroughly.

boxing: tyson was ban from boxing in USA. People see tyson as a high pitched low IQ bully. He lost all his million$. He degraded boxing if u asked the boxing fans.

cricket, rugby: i dunno these sports so i can't make comment

tennis: john mckenroe protests, in humorous manner which entertained the crowd. I wouldn't call this controversal. HE NEVER WALK OFF AWAY A GAME EVER, which would piss off the crowd. That is why john is now a color commentator because he never disappointed the crowd and tv viewers.

See the difference here?

[Avatar]

i see that the people who supported taufik were between the age of 17-22. no wonder. young ones, emotion can be a powerful weapon if u use it wisely to your advantage. it can also work against you when u use it negatively. u guys will understand the consequences later in your live. we live in a world of network. everything u do has consequences, it may negatively affect the bigger picture without you knowing it.

i just tuned into the US open between Andre Agassi and Marcos Baghdatis. What a match to see and talked about. Baghdatis fought back even after losing the first 2 sets, forcing agassi to the 5th set. then BOTH of his legs got major cramps. poor Baghdatis still fight on, limping n limping n fighting until he lost the final set 5-7!!!! Agassi tried but Baghdatis just wouldn't give up. Both players were applauded and appreciated by the fans. Baghdatis i salute u!

I hope no one outside of badminton would know what happened to Taufik's incident. A disgrace to the sport. He absolutely do not represent the majority of players in the badminton world!

people will talk about the glorifying agassi v. Baghdatis match, n i hope they will not look at this incident and think that badminton players are kids who give up n whine when they disagree with officials...

u try to promo badminton? u want to see how the ppl outside of the badminton circle look at us? a small matter u think? think again.

behave whenever u r, ESPECIALLY when you r a star, a public figure, as u represents your sport, your organization, your country. celebrities has influencial power. If George Bush walks out from a public conference because he was annoyed by a reporter's question, guess what'll happen. there are always consequences. if u still do not get my point with so many examples, then may be you really are too young...

[Wildstone]

finally, picture number 8
after shaked hand with lin dan yet again then walked away!
the most funniest part is li yungbo! look at him! he just can't help laughting!!!!!
ok! go on your discussion!!!:D :D :D
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24150&stc=1&d=1157039570
I think LYB was trying to say: "Hey thanks man for the easy game :)!"

[phaarix]

Concur with you, modious..
Hmm, you think so heh, phaarix?? before this incident, do you think this kind of incident could happen, (eventhough it happened with Taufik before)??..Who knew anything like this will happen, again? And especially after the LinDan's incident at the MO...
And if this doesn't get tackled, who knows what's going to happen next??..:p :rolleyes: :(
Well if this is the worst type of thing that happens in Badminton, then I quite frankly couldn't care less what will happen next.

As for the comparison between Zidane and Taufik... Come ON! You have to be joking! Physical violence in comparison to what... walking off a court.

Look I don't know why you guys can't just live with the fact that I have my own opinion. I'm sorry if MY opinion somehow offends you :(. I don't like this whole "making me out to be the bad guy" thing.


:eek: If I was Taufik, I would be pissed off, too. We can't have linejudges playing hanky-panky with the photographers. Next time, when you want to touch her knee, do it outside the game, ok?
LOL :D.

[cooler]

Well if this is the worst type of thing that happens in Badminton, then I quite frankly couldn't care less what will happen next.

As for the comparison between Zidane and Taufik... Come ON! You have to be joking! Physical violence in comparison to what... walking off a court.

Look I don't know why you guys can't just live with the fact that I have my own opinion. I'm sorry if MY opinion somehow offends you :(. I don't like this whole "making me out to be the bad guy" thing.


LOL :D.
soccer is #1 sport in the world. It would take 100x of zidane action to make a dent on soccer popularity. Badminton doesn't has nor can afford this luxury yet.

[ctjcad]

Well if this is the worst type of thing that happens in Badminton, then I quite frankly couldn't care less what will happen next.
hmm, i never, in my post, say this incident was the "worst" type of thing that happens in badminton, have I?!?!.:rolleyes:

[phaarix]

hmm, i never, in my post, say this incident was the "worst" type of thing that happens in badminton, have I?!?!.:rolleyes:

You were saying that if people follow in Taufik's footsteps then imagine what would happen next. Which to me says he's done a pretty horrendous thing.

Anyway look, I'm sorry if you don't agree but it's just my opinion that the whole issue really isn't as big as some people are making it out to be. No matter how many times you reply to my posts saying, "you may think that, but in reality it could have so-and-so effect!", it will not change my mind. Again, sorry, I do agree that it would be nice for Taufik to make some sort of apology though, considering that although I don't find it too serious, some people obviously do :). Ok?

[ctjcad]

You were saying that if people follow in Taufik's footsteps then imagine what would happen next. Which to me says he's done a pretty horrendous thing.

Anyway look, I'm sorry if you don't agree but it's just my opinion that the whole issue really isn't as big as some people are making it out to be. No matter how many times you reply to my posts saying, "you may think that, but in reality it could have so-and-so effect!", it will not change my mind. Again, sorry, I do agree that it would be nice for Taufik to make some sort of apology though, considering that although I don't find it too serious, some people obviously do :). Ok?
Again, i never mentioned the statement which i've highlighted in bold above(can anyone else find it??)...I just said "who knows, what's going to happen next". Which means it might not involve other people. Maybe it'll involve Taufik again in the future, hehe:rolleyes: :p and who knows in what tournament(s)??:p Could be in World Championships or All-England or Olympics(gud forbid it happens in those events)...:p :(
Anyways, i agree, you(and the rest of us) are free to say whatever you/we feel...Sounds kool??..;) :cool:
BTW, since this has caused another stir, too serious or not, making an apology(tough & simple it may be) IS the right thing to do for Taufik now..;):cool:

[phaarix]

Again, i never mentioned the statement which i've highlighted in bold above(can anyone else find it??)...I just said "who knows, what's going to happen next". Which means it might not involve other people. Maybe it'll involve Taufik again in the future, hehe:rolleyes: :p and who knows in what tournament(s)??:p Could be in World Championships or All-England or Olympics(gud forbid it happens in those events)...:p :(
Anyways, i agree, you(and the rest of us) are free to say whatever you/we feel...Sounds kool??..;) :cool:
Sorry, must have misread what you said! Anyway sounds cool to me :D.

[cooler]

Again, i never mentioned the statement which i've highlighted in bold above(can anyone else find it??)...I just said "who knows, what's going to happen next". Which means it might not involve other people. Maybe it'll involve Taufik again in the future, hehe:rolleyes: :p and who knows in what tournament(s)??:p Could be in World Championships or All-England or Olympics(gud forbid it happens in those events)...:p :(
Anyways, i agree, you(and the rest of us) are free to say whatever you/we feel...Sounds kool??..;) :cool:
BTW, since this has caused another stir, too serious or not, making an apology(tough & simple it may be) IS the right thing to do for Taufik now..;):cool:

i'm thinking, pbsi is so afraid of taufik and his father in-law, it would be hard to tell if an apology, if forthcoming, is real coming from taufik or just damage control by pbsi done behind taufik's back

[ctjcad]

i'm thinking, pbsi is so afraid of taufik and his father in-law, it would be hard to tell if an apology, if forthcoming, is real coming from taufik or just damage control by pbsi done behind taufik's back
It's simple: one made wrong, one apologize..Isn't that how we civil people live??..;)
hmm, personally, it doesn't matter and i don't care if it's genuine or just damage control or made public or not....We all fans of badminton want some kind of an apology from Taufik, first and foremost and then from PBSI(if need be)...The damage has been done & by not saying or offering an apology at all, it will leave a "bitter" mark, esp. with the HK people..:p :o :(

[hydrocyanic]

i see that the people who supported taufik were between the age of 17-22. no wonder. young ones, emotion can be a powerful weapon if u use it wisely to your advantage. it can also work against you when u use it negatively. u guys will understand the consequences later in your live. we live in a world of network. everything u do has consequences, it may negatively affect the bigger picture without you knowing it.

17 to 22?

i think you might want to increase the upper limit to around 24, as immaturity can go all the way there *cough* TH *cough*

[rhinovinda]

LD looks so innocent :p and i think he's a bit worried that hot-tempered TH might hit him with the racket!!:D
Hahahahha...........:D

[indra]

It's simple: one made wrong, one apologize..Isn't that how we civil people live??..;)
hmm, personally, it doesn't matter and i don't care if it's genuine or just damage control or made public or not....We all fans of badminton want some kind of an apology from Taufik, first and foremost and then from PBSI(if need be)...The damage has been done & by not saying or offering an apology at all, it will leave a "bitter" mark, esp. with the HK people..:p :o :(

To settle all the controversies surrounding TH and then close it and look ahead now for the sake of Badminton and fair play:

Umpire, linelady, organizer and TH altogether make a public appology to the Hongkong People and Badminton Community.

[rhinovinda]

But look on the bright side.. at least that might alert IBF to put camera on court for replay.. to promote fair play
We shall see

What a good observation, i am looking forward also for this.

[wildshuttle]

Sad that players don't realize who are paying their way, maybe the IBF should step in and impose fines for those that don't perform for the paying public. It puts the sport in at peril. Spectators pay for and expect entertainment. So, if badminton doesn't start to control the discipline (or lack of) then the IBF should. Every other professional sport has rules that the athletes must follow or pay a hefty penalty.

[ctjcad]

I think LYB was trying to say: "Hey thanks man for the easy game :)!"
actually from the picture, i thought Taufik was going to give a congratulatory handshake to LYB(see his right hand reaching out)..can red00ecstrat or Cheung confirm??..hehe:rolleyes: ;)

[Alphonse]

It's funny...this line call incident happened here during the Korea Open last week, too.

It was during the 3rd round (I think) where Taufik was playing against Korea's No. Lee Hyun-il. It was on the deciding 3rd game when Taufik hit a smash into Lee's court and the linesperson called it out. TH went to the chair umpire and protested. Not satisfied, he called another official and protested once more delaying the match for a few more minutes.

I guess it's every player's right to question line calls. But as long as badminton does not have tennis' HAWK EYE technology, it would be difficult to ascertain whether a close call is actually in or out. The best way is to assign linespeople who are well-trained, have perfect visions, unbiased, and are always alert.

TH lost. 16-21 on the 3rd game.

I have pictures of that incident...will upload in a while.

[DinkAlot]

To settle all the controversies surrounding TH and then close it and look ahead now for the sake of Badminton and fair play:

Umpire, linelady, organizer and TH altogether make a public appology to the Hongkong People and Badminton Community.

That's the key point, the umpire, line judge, and organizer do not need to make an apology. However, Taufik does.

The only time the others would need to make an apology would be if they were purposely being biased against Taufik, which they were not, at least based on the observations posted here.

[DinkAlot]

The best way is to assign linespeople who are well-trained, have perfect visions, unbiased, and are always alert.

Not possible, even the best linespeople will make mistakes once in a while.

The key is to understand you will get calls in your favor as well as calls against you. Take the good with the bad. In the long run, statistics will point out, it will be a wash.

Don't take it personal, don't think everyone is out to get you. And if they are, maybe you are doing something wrong. Either that, or you're No. 1 in the world. :p

[indra]

That's the key point, the umpire, line judge, and organizer do not need to make an apology. However, Taufik does.

The only time the others would need to make an apology would be if they were purposely being biased against Taufik, which they were not, at least based on the observations posted here.

I guess it would be difficult and unfair...because Taufik is a victim...

Umpire, landlady and organizer have to make a public appology for having contributed to the incident. If they do so, I guess we can see the light of fairness. Besides, we all make mistakes. Demanding him ALONE to appologize publicly while he was the victim is in my opinion TOTALLY UNFAIR.

[ctjcad]

I guess it would be difficult and unfair...because Taufik is a victim...

Umpire, landlady and organizer have to make a public appology for having contributed to the incident. If they do so, I guess we can see the light of fairness. Besides, we all make mistakes. Demanding him ALONE to appologize publicly while he was the victim is in my opinion TOTALLY UNFAIR.
indra,
i thought we're thru with this??..:confused:
does it matter if Taufik or the others you mentioned make a public or private apology??..Just make one and it's gotta start with Taufik, if it's just for saving face..:p
And again, please don't label Taufik as "victim"..The real "victim", at least in my book, in this situation is the fans/public who have paid money and gone to see & support the player(s) WHO THEMSELVES ARE PLAYING TO GET MONETARY GAIN, rather than the organizer, umpires, referee, linespeople, you name it WHO ARE VOLUNTEERING(most if not all of them)..Taufik(and other players) is/are being sponsored and paid for the whole 2 tourneys and then still playing to get some more monies...please..:p :rolleyes: :(

[X Ball]

indra,
i thought we're thru with this??..:confused:
does it matter if Taufik or the others you mentioned make a public or private apology??..
And again, please don't label Taufik as "victim"..The real "victim", at least in my book, in this situation is the fans/public who have paid money and gone to see & support the player(s) WHO THEMSELVES ARE PLAYING TO GET MONETARY GAIN, rather than the organizer, umpires, referee, linespeople, you name it WHO ARE VOLUNTEERING(most if not all of them)..Taufik(and other players) is/are being sponsored and paid for the whole 2 tourneys and then still playing to get some more monies...please..:p :rolleyes: :(


Not forgetting he has made it easier for LD to progress and LD would have expanded less energy than his final opponent. So would he pay LCW/CJ for this episode, if LCW/CY loses ?

[blueagle]

enough has been said. that's why LD is #1(most of the time, he's currently #2) and TH is what....#35? hahaha...

[X Ball]

enough has been said. that's why LD is #1(most of the time, he's currently #2) and TH is what....#35? hahaha...


I think we need to carry on for a few more threads.:) It is like good wine : you cannot stop until you have drunk enough.

[madbad]

I think we need to carry on for a few more threads.:) It is like good wine : you cannot stop until you have drunk enough.
I guess you're not quite sated yet, huh? :p :p

[Loh]

gee red, hopefully the IBF officials won't have to call upon you to bear witness to the incident; with you sitting literally next to the court and most importantly equipped with your camera & tele-lens strapped on..:p;)

Unfortunately or fortunately (for Red), he did not shoot the bird (dead) on line for the record! :p

I'm just sorry that TH behaved rather badly for everybody who's interested in his performance and welfare. I hope young players who treat TH as an idol will not take his unsportsman-like attitude as acceptable. :rolleyes:

[ctjcad]

Unfortunately or fortunately (for Red), he did not shoot the bird (dead) on line for the record! :p

I'm just sorry that TH behaved rather badly for everybody who's interested in his performance and welfare. I hope young players who treat TH as an idol will not take his unsportsman-like attitude as acceptable. :rolleyes:
hey Loh, you finally made it to this thread, welcome...sigh, i thought for a while you would skip this thread altogether or just treat it as "rubbish talk"..:p;)..BTW, we're still waiting the voice of Mr. taneepak himself on this issue-i know he's reading and lurking in this particular sub-forum..:rolleyes: :)

[Eric_Wah]

Haha, Lin Dan looked so blurred in that picture. I think he never expected this to be happened.

[hara^kazuko]

Taufik needs to apology, it will be terrible if he fails to do so... He was just spoilt and didn't realise what he was doing... But maybe it involved my country, I still think that LD's act previously was more disrecpectful

Whatever, let's carry on to the semifinal's this evening

[indra]

indra,

And again, please don't label Taufik as "victim"...:p :rolleyes: :(

All of us including TH are victims then

[rhinovinda]

All of us including TH are victims then
Hahahahha......so be realistic, BC people we need some refurbishment in the world of badminton after being scrambled by the rules and act of players. Changes are required. Thing like digital line (hawk eye) like in tennis has to be applied at badminton tournament from now on so no more excuse and funny behavior from the players. So there is action and of course reaction. It is already good that Taufik has shown that there is needs to change and modify which is not yet done by the IBF. Let it he (Taufik) be the victim or the villan but it's all for the good of badminton game and of course for all of us (watcher).

[blueagle]

I think we need to carry on for a few more threads.:) It is like good wine : you cannot stop until you have drunk enough.

i'm drunk already...:o hik...

[hcyong]

All of us including TH are victims then

Kinda true. We (including TH) are all victims of TH's attitude. In fact, I pity Taufik because he is the biggest victim of himself.

I don't think Taufik owes any of us an apology (execpt to the linejudge), but most of all, he owes himself a big apology.

[Simp84]

ok ok.. so far the discussion here is going on and on... people whining about how Taufik owe everyone a match of a life time and apologies

So lets summarise, Taufik = No sportmanship, spoiled, badly behaved, disappointing, rude, bla bla... ok we get the point

So please will someone draw some conclusions on what should happen to him? What action he should take? How do we stop this and all

[DinkAlot]

ok ok.. so far the discussion here is going on and on... people whining about how Taufik owe everyone a match of a life time and apologies

So lets summarise, Taufik = No sportmanship, spoiled, badly behaved, disappointing, rude, bla bla... ok we get the point

So please will someone draw some conclusions on what should happen to him? What action he should take? How do we stop this and all

Conclusion: I'll let the IBF decide what to do with Taufik's behavior. And if the IBF does nothing, then so be it. I'm not the least bit worried. It's not the first time and probably not the last. Don't lose sleep over it.

How do we stop all this? Simple, by not posting about it anymore. This is my last post about Taufik walking out. It's played out. What's done is done. No more need to beat on a dead horse. :)

[kurama]

It would be inappropriate if Taufik did that to other players, but with LD, I cheer for Taufik! Good job !!! I hope more players will slap on LD face. This is not my prejudice against players from China. In fact, one of my favourites MDs is Fu/Cai. I just don't have respect for LD for his lack of sportsmanship.

i hope taufik dont do that to lindan next time,though i am taufik's fans and i dont really like lin dan,but i pity lin dan,i feel like taufik is insulting him...

but i will still support taufik when he play:D

[ctjcad]

Cheung, i was going to reply to your post in the other thread, but you closed it before i was abt to reply. Anyway, i'll just post it here if you don't mind...sorry..:p

Although I haven't asked, I think all those lines people have at least a badminton umpiring certificate. Although indra has stoutly defended Taufik, the lineswoman did a great job in correcting her decision [B]immediately[B/} and sticking to it under pressure. If I had seen it clearly and positioned where Red was, I probably would have said to Taufik if the shuttle was "keluar" or not!:D
:) Well, i personally haven't watched the game myself, but knowing from red00ecstrat's report, considering the shuttle landed "on the line", it must've been a very tough call on the linejudge(i know if i'm in her shoes, i will have a hard time calling it also)..:p..But i salute her composure in the heat of the moment..:cool:
If it was in Indonesia, Taufik would've probably influence the linejudge/decision..:rolleyes: :p :o Anyways, it's a mute point now..:p

[fabcargo]

was wondering if 'indra' is taufik's member name in BC....:rolleyes::confused::D

[red00ecstrat]

Cheung, sorry for bringing your reply from a dead post.

If I had seen it clearly and positioned where Red was, I probably would have said to Taufik if the shuttle was "keluar" or not! :)

Never interfere or get involved when u are doing an assignment. That's one of the rules of journalism.;)
Let's go back. When Taufik's coach ask the linesman about that shot once again after the final decision which made by the referee. I did tell him "it's in." But the weird thing was that. You can hear a very large numbers of spectators at the beginning said "OUT" "OUT" even those from the other side of the stadium!:confused: :confused: I guess most of the people in the stadium were Chinese team supporters. But that move wasn't in favour of Lin Din! Was it?
I didn't understand what they were trying to do??? Just want Taufik to play more aggressively?

[nano9900]

He is so unprofessional......the ABC and IBf should impose sanctions on him...i was hoping for a good game between the 2 rivals ...to the dissappointment of millions of fans ....

[ctjcad]

Let's go back. When Taufik's coach ask the linesman about that shot once again after the final decision which made by the referee. I did tell him "it's in." But the weird thing was that. You can hear a very large numbers of spectators at the beginning said "OUT" "OUT" even those from the other side of the stadium!:confused: :confused: I guess most of the people in the stadium were Chinese team supporters. But that move wasn't in favour of Lin Din! Was it?
I didn't understand what they were trying to do??? Just want Taufik to play more aggressively?
hmm, sorry red, since you brought it up, when you mentioned "it's in", did you just blurt it out or did coach Mulyo asked you, indirectly??..It must've been a very surreal moment..:rolleyes:
Also, just wondering, did you by any chance record this brief match/incident on your DV cam?? If you did, perhaps you can upload it for us to watch and "judge" the incident from our point of perspective??..If you don't have, it's fine also..;) :p

[red00ecstrat]

hmm, sorry red, since you brought it up, when you mentioned "it's in", did you just blurt it out or did coach Mulyo asked you, indirectly??..It must've been a very surreal moment..:rolleyes:
Also, just wondering, did you by any chance record this brief match/incident on your DV cam?? If you did, perhaps you can upload it for us to watch and "judge" the incident from our point of perspective??..If you don't have, it's fine also..;) :p

no chris, he didn't asked me. he was just asking the linesman. but since i was sitting right next to her and the final decision was made. i just tell him what i've seen.
i didn't tape that game so i won't be able to provide any evidence.:p

[ctjcad]

no chris, he didn't asked me. he was just asking the linesman. but since i was sitting right next to her and the final decision was made. i just tell him what i've seen.
i didn't tape that game so i won't be able to provide any evidence.:p
ok, i see..so basically you just "blurt it out" to coach Mulyo, correct??..
Hmm, too bad you didn't record it..If you did, that'll most likely be used as the "most significant prove" yet(if at that time Taufik, coach Mulyo, the referee or umpire want to review it)..oh well:rolleyes: :p ..or perhaps there are other players who might've record it??..:confused: ;)

[Simp84]

no chris, he didn't asked me. he was just asking the linesman. but since i was sitting right next to her and the final decision was made. i just tell him what i've seen.
i didn't tape that game so i won't be able to provide any evidence.:p
could it be your ambitious mind want it to be in :p

[red00ecstrat]

ok, i see..so basically you just "blurt it out" to coach Mulyo, correct??..
Hmm, too bad you didn't record it..If you did, that'll most likely be used as the "most significant prove" yet(if at that time Taufik, coach Mulyo, the referee or umpire want to review it)..oh well:rolleyes: :p ..or perhaps there are other players who might've record it??..:confused: ;)

yes, "blurt it out" u can say that.:p
i m quite sure there were recordings from players and coaches! coz with that tape, they can use it to analyze and find out their weaknesses before the world championships 06.

[red00ecstrat]

could it be your ambitious mind want it to be in :p

it's definately "in"!

[ctjcad]

yes, "blurt it out" u can say that.:p
i m quite sure there were recordings from players and coaches! coz with that tape, they can use it to analyze and find out their weaknesses before the world championships 06.
alrighty, thanks again for sharing all the tidbits, red...BTW, aren't you going to the stadium??..it's abt 2 hrs. away til tip off, err til "love all, play"..;):)

[red00ecstrat]

i m leaving home now hehe......

[cooler]

could it be your ambitious mind want it to be in :p
u may doubt the linelady call but you shouldn't doubt a photographer's eyes:D who also had field of vision as the linelady.

[henfeb]

even in tennis,when Justine Henin pulled out because of injury,she was roundly criticized & condemned. Taufik is a disgrace.He is playing for Indonesia.Not only himself. The Badminton Federation of Indonesia definately need to punish him.The IBF also need to sanction him for withdrawing like that.

[dropper]

It looks like TH directly violated the published IBF Player's Code of Conduct. This has to be determined in a disciplinary hearing held by the IBF Disciplinary Committee following the Disciplinary Regulations in the IBF Statutes, where TH is given a chance to defend his acts through representation or by himself.
Leaving aside the 'motherhood' codes of conduct such as unsportsmanlike behaviour etc. I think it can be alleged that TH violated the following IBF Player's Code of Conduct:
4.3 Failure to Complete a match
Failure to complete a match in progress unless reasonably unable to do so.

4.5 Failure to use best efforts
Not using one's efforts to win a match

4.6 Trying to influence line judges
Trying to influence the decision of line judges by arm, hand, or racket gestures, or orally.

So if the IBF is smart enough, they will immediately appoint a panel to commence the hearing and put an end to this one way or the other.

However, in the instant this occurred, the umpire should have Red Carded and the referee should have Black Carded TH and disqualified him from the trournament for his extreme conduct, even after he left the court. This should be a disqualification, not a retirement from the match. I am surprised that the umpire and the referee failed to follow through with necessary action. Because it seems TH clearly violated the Laws of Badminton 16.6 in a reckless manner.

16.6 A player shall not:
16.6.1 deliberately cause delay in, or suspension of play.

16.7 The umpire shall administer any breach of Law 16.4, 16.5 or 16.6 by:
16.7.3 in cases of flagrant offence or persistent offences, faulting the offending side and reporting the offending side immediately to the referee, who shall have power to disqualify the offending side of the match.

I know some may think this is quite severe, but violation of published rules must be dealt with accordingly.

[kurama]

indra,
i thought we're thru with this??..:confused:
does it matter if Taufik or the others you mentioned make a public or private apology??..Just make one and it's gotta start with Taufik, if it's just for saving face..:p
And again, please don't label Taufik as "victim"..The real "victim", at least in my book, in this situation is the fans/public who have paid money and gone to see & support the player(s) WHO THEMSELVES ARE PLAYING TO GET MONETARY GAIN, rather than the organizer, umpires, referee, linespeople, you name it WHO ARE VOLUNTEERING(most if not all of them)..Taufik(and other players) is/are being sponsored and paid for the whole 2 tourneys and then still playing to get some more monies...please..:p :rolleyes: :(

it is not easy for a player to play and get monetary gain,they train hard and put a lot of efford to improve their skill to earn that money.

[ctjcad]

I know some may think this is quite severe, but violation of published rules must be dealt with accordingly.
kurama, thanks for providing those rules for us..Hmm, personally, i don't think it's "quite severe". I think a disciplinary act for Taufik is what needed. If there's none, then basically they are acting like PBSI.
Hmm, looks like the IBF council board needs to take a look at both the action of TH *AND* the tournament's referee. Both seemed to violate the rules.
Based on the rules above, what Taufik did was quite severe, at least in the rule book of the IBF..But yah, i was also surprised by the actions of the umpire & referee after reading the above rules. In a way they've probably never realize TH will do such abrupt action by walking-off. But I thought the tournament referee was supposed to get in and lay down the law, even if it's for Taufik. Not doing so means that Taufik was given a special consideration..:p :confused:

One thing is for sure, Taufik definitely *will not* get the IBF Player of the Year award this yr...I will be very surprise if he got it next yr..:rolleyes: :(

[hara^kazuko]

kurama, thanks for providing those rules for us..Hmm, personally, i don't think it's "quite severe". I think a disciplinary act for Taufik is what needed. If there's none, then basically they are acting like PBSI.
Hmm, looks like the IBF council board needs to take a look at both the action of TH *AND* the tournament's referee. Both seemed to violate the rules.
Based on the rules above, what Taufik did was quite severe, at least in the rule book of the IBF..But yah, i was also surprised by the actions of the umpire & referee after reading the above rules. In a way they've probably never realize TH will do such abrupt action by walking-off. But I thought the tournament referee was supposed to get in and lay down the law, even if it's for Taufik. Not doing so means that Taufik was given a special consideration..:p :confused:

One thing is for sure, Taufik definitely *will not* get the IBF Player of the Year award this yr...I will be very surprise if he got it next yr..:rolleyes: :(

Any chance of LCW getting it?

[ctjcad]

it is not easy for a player to play and get monetary gain,they train hard and put a lot of efford to improve their skill to earn that money.
sure, i agree with what i've highlighted in bold above..But remember, he is not the only player in the whole tournament to get those..They are using the public money to do those things you mentioned above, if the players are playing for the *NATIONAL* team...Even if they used private money to do those, they are still being sponsored and they represent whoever is/are sponsoring them...
But then consider all the fans who were there to watch and support their skills, is that what they got in return??..Without fans/crowds like us world-wide to come and support them, those players won't be playing in tournaments with big prize monies..
Again, like what have been repeated many times before in this HK Open sub-forum, Taufik's action definitely showed a lot of selfishness and arrogance..In a way his actions showed the crowd that "he's way above anyone" and "doesn't represent IBF and what it stands for"..Is that what an Olympic and World Champions and the allegedly 2 times IBF POTY(player of the year) supposed to behave??..Definitely not in Tony Gunawan's book..;):rolleyes: :p :o :(

[ctjcad]

Any chance of LCW getting it?
sure, it's possible for LCW or anyone else to get the 2006 IBF POTY...:cool: but definitely not Taufik..:rolleyes::p

[ctjcad]

kurama, thanks for providing those rules for us..(
sorry dropper, that post was meant in reply to your post, not kurama's..:p

[dropper]

ctjcad,

I agree with your feelings. But the bottom line is that when we look at an alleged violation of rules we must look at it objectively, not emotionally.

Who pays for the players is a matter to be dealt by the people who pays for the player. For example the contract or formally announced sponsors of TH most probably have some clauses in their contracts that require TH and all of their sponsored players to follow some elite player code of conduct, or they may not. Who knows a particular sponsor wouldn't even care what was done by a player is good or bad (although I very much doubt it). It is truly between the player and the sponsor.

And I agree with you, when it comes to following the IBF Laws of Badminton and Player's Code of Conduct those must be followed without regard to who the offending party is. As far as issues related to code of conduct violations are concerned that will have to be dealt with utmost care, providing all the opportunity for TH to defend his actions in a hearing in front of a non-advocate panel.

However, there is no room for that kind of activity when the player violates the clearly stated IBF Laws of Badminton that are in the statutes. In my view of things that ttranspired, TH should have been given a red card and a black card. May be the first ever black card given in badminton. For example, in soccer when you get a red card you are out of the match, and must leave the premises immediately, and is not allowed to play in the next match of the team either. That is the law and it is followed by the soccer referees all the time.

I think the most important thing is to keep the emotions out of it when the determination of sanctions are made by the panel of Disciplinary Committee.

Of course, as spectators and outsiders who pay to watch the athletes perform we can have our own opinions of what TH did was right or wrong and what must be done about it. But, it is upto TH to care or not to care about what spectators think and support.

Also, don't be so sure about what skeletons that are in the other athletes closets, like TG, although I very much doubt TG would have ever done what TH did. In one way I admire TH's courage in what he did; it is not an easy thing to do what he did. And, he will have to stand the consequences. On the other hand I think what he did was very bad for the sport and it sets a bad example to many younger players who follow elite players.

[ctjcad]

ctjcad,

I agree with your feelings. But the bottom line is that when we look at an alleged violation of rules we must look at it objectively, not emotionally.
i understand, at least i myself am not looking at it "emotionally"..;)

Who pays for the players is a matter to be dealt by the people who pays for the player. For example the contract or formally announced sponsors of TH most probably have some clauses in their contracts that require TH and all of their sponsored players to follow some elite player code of conduct, or they may not. Who knows a particular sponsor wouldn't even care what was done by a player is good or bad (although I very much doubt it). It is truly between the player and the sponsor.
i understand..my point was, which you've already noted, those players are actually playing with someone's money(be it public or private) and they basically "represent" those individuals..


And I agree with you, when it comes to following the IBF Laws of Badminton and Player's Code of Conduct those must be followed without regard to who the offending party is. As far as issues related to code of conduct violations are concerned that will have to be dealt with utmost care, providing all the opportunity for TH to defend his actions in a hearing in front of a non-advocate panel.
i understand...thing is, i or we don't know whether this incident will be dealt with PBSI or IBF..?!?!..:confused:..i, myself, won't really care, just want to see "some disciplinary actions" done..

However, there is no room for that kind of activity when the player violates the clearly stated IBF Laws of Badminton that are in the statutes. In my view of things that ttranspired, TH should have been given a red card and a black card. May be the first ever black card given in badminton. For example, in soccer when you get a red card you are out of the match, and must leave the premises immediately, and is not allowed to play in the next match of the team either. That is the law and it is followed by the soccer referees all the time.
i understand...i've mentioned abt the idea of discipling Taufik for the rest of the season or even beyond in one of my other post..;)

I think the most important thing is to keep the emotions out of it when the determination of sanctions are made by the panel of Disciplinary Committee.
if they go that far, i'm sure they(IBF official) will not be "emotional"..;)

Of course, as spectators and outsiders who pay to watch the athletes perform we can have our own opinions of what TH did was right or wrong and what must be done about it. But, it is upto TH to care or not to care about what spectators think and support.
agree, just like you and me and some of us in here have posted & mentioned numerous times..;)

Also, don't be so sure about what skeletons that are in the other athletes closets, like TG, although I very much doubt TG would have ever done what TH did. In one way I admire TH's courage in what he did; it is not an easy thing to do what he did. And, he will have to stand the consequences. On the other hand I think what he did was very bad for the sport and it sets a bad example to many younger players who follow elite players.
hmm, on the statement i've highlighted in bold, i won't comment...All i know is from past experiences and incidents of those 2 players..And for one Taufik, the recent incident wasn't the first nor second time..;) :p

[^Tayo^]

IMO, most players don't cheat, they abuse the system within the rules for their own advantage. However refs and judges cheat!!!! Also some are incapable to judge and others are just lousy refs. TH always have showed great sportsmanship for this sport. Also these players travel from far and they're professional players. They deserve a fair game and when you see injustice, whereas many players have complained for the same case, HK OPEN should reconsider about their crew members.

[ctjcad]

IMO, most players don't cheat, they abuse the system within the rules for their own advantage. However refs and judges cheat!!!! Also some are incapable to judge and others are just lousy refs. TH always have showed great sportsmanship for this sport. Also these players travel from far and they're professional players. They deserve a fair game and when you see injustice, whereas many players have complained for the same case, HK OPEN should reconsider about their crew members.
I understand all your comments above, but bolting out after a very questionable call("on the line" call, which i'm sure if you're in the linejudge's shoe will also feel a bit tough), early in the game with much more to be played is excusable??.. Sure his pent-up "anger" could be a result of the previous week's KO, which he endured a similar thing also.
That's the main point of most of the posters who are not happy with Taufik's behavior...If he had continued on after that call, then most of us wouldn't have so much displeasure abt his behavior..;)
If the call was "completely wrong", repeated and obviously incorrect (like in KJonassen vs. LD match, which they replaced the linejudge), then we can have some lee-way if the player(s) wants to boycott. But even in KJ vs. LD's case, KJ decided to keep playing rather than bolting out unlike Taufik..:p :rolleyes: ;)

[dropper]

IMO, most players don't cheat, they abuse the system within the rules for their own advantage. However refs and judges cheat!!!! Also some are incapable to judge and others are just lousy refs. TH always have showed great sportsmanship for this sport. Also these players travel from far and they're professional players. They deserve a fair game and when you see injustice, whereas many players have complained for the same case, HK OPEN should reconsider about their crew members.

I agree with you that the players deserve fair calls by the judges. Unfortunately for the players, from what I know when a player is wronged by judges there is no recourse for the athlete. He/She has to swallow it and go with the flow. This really is not fair. There must be a way to review conduct of judges based on player grievances. IBF must come up with a system to address grievances by players, coaches, umpires etc. Then only players like TH has other means to go about having their grievances heard, without being forced to do something like what he did.

But, that should be addressed by the players and member countries at the IBF board level. TH is a high profile player and he should be able to lead an effort to force the issue with the IBF to come up with a system to address players' concerns. I believe other top athletes will also support such a cause.

I have seen TH play a couple of times and each time he impressed me very much with his superior skills and also conduct during the match. So I don't know what happened to him in these couple of instances that made him snap. It is entirely possible he strongly believes that there is a bias against him; I can only guess...

[ctjcad]

There must be a way to review conduct of judges based on player grievances. IBF must come up with a system to address grievances by players, coaches, umpires etc. Then only players like TH has other means to go about having their grievances heard, without being forced to do something like what he did.

But, that should be addressed by the players and member countries at the IBF board level. TH is a high profile player and he should be able to lead an effort to force the issue with the IBF to come up with a system to address players' concerns. I believe other top athletes will also support such a cause.
dropper, this is a very interesting idea...:rolleyes: ;) i just wonder if they(players) themselves have ever consider forming somekind of a union, in cases like these..Just like most if not all of the major sports league here in the U.S....I don't know if professional tennis have their own players union or not??..

[kemana]

4.6 Trying to influence line judges
Trying to influence the decision of line judges by arm, hand, or racket gestures, or orally.
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just my 2cents
i think he did not break this rule.
I think this rule means you try to tell the line judge it's out or in BEFORE
the judge has his/her own opion. Thus the judge will make bad call.
But after the judge has made a call and you doubt it , it's protest.

[dropper]

Hi Kemana,
I disagree with your premise.
The protest or the appeal must be made to the umpire not to the line judge. When a line judge is shown with gestures that the call must be changed, that he made the wrong call, that is attempting to influence the line judge, in my opinion, not only for this time but for future calls also. There is no mention that it has to be done before the call, although that is the more common violation - try to influence the LJ before the call as you said; it could be after the call also to get the line judge to change his call. A line judge can make a change to his call; in addition the umpire can over rule a line judge's call.
Otherwise what was TH trying to do, harrass the line judge? That is also looked upon as a misconduct in the IBF Palyer's Code of Conduct.
4.1 Inappropriate conduct
Duiring any match or any time of an IBF sanctioned event, not conducting oneself in an honorable and sportsmanlike manner.

If TH just shook his head to indicate he doesn't agree with the call or even just said that it was "out", that usually should have been OK I think, but continue to gesture to the line judge with various ways was inappropriate. TH should have taken it up with the umpire, and then with the referee.

[kemana]

Hi Kemana,
I disagree with your premise.
The protest or the appeal must be made to the umpire not to the line judge. When a line judge is shown with gestures that the call must be changed, that he made the wrong call, that is attempting to influence the line judge, in my opinion, not only for this time but for future calls also. There is no mention that it has to be done before the call, although that is the more common violation - try to influence the LJ before the call as you said; it could be after the call also to get the line judge to change his call. A line judge can make a change to his call; in addition the umpire can over rule a line judge's call.
Otherwise what was TH trying to do, harrass the line judge? That is also looked upon as a misconduct in the IBF Palyer's Code of Conduct.
4.1 Inappropriate conduct
Duiring any match or any time of an IBF sanctioned event, not conducting oneself in an honorable and sportsmanlike manner.

If TH just shook his head to indicate he doesn't agree with the call or even just said that it was "out", that usually should have been OK I think, but continue to gesture to the line judge with various ways was inappropriate. TH should have taken it up with the umpire, and then with the referee.
well, thank you for your correction.

[mona_san]

Ive been following the whole "Taufik" drama and i have never seen such an arrogant player. He always creates a circus on the court. He hates to lose. Losing is inevitable, so why is he playing badminton? He has no class and is not sportsmanlike at all. He thinks everyone is wrong but himself. Why doesn't he grow up? He should go back to his kampung and use black magic. Maybe that will help him. IBF should not tolerate his bad behaviour. They should just kick him out. He spoils the fun of the game and casts a dark shadow over the sport.
:mad:

[Jessica]

Don't be so angry...He doesn't worth us to be angry with him...There are still many players with good attitude and sportmanship like LCW,PG and...They are only caunted true hero and good players.... ask for taufik...juz forget it...

[cao ci dan]

LET HIM GO...:crying: :crying: :crying:

[dropper]

hmm, on the statement i've highlighted in bold, i won't comment...All i know is from past experiences and incidents of those 2 players..And for one Taufik, the recent incident wasn't the first nor second time..;) :p

I have heard allegations of unsportsmanlike conduct that is detrimental to the sport by some of the top athletes, from as far back as 1970's. Pg 21 of 26 in the following article illustrates one of these allegation on Rudy Hartono's All England win over compatriot Liem Swie King in 1976, that gave a record eight All England titles to Rudy. A friend of mine who was at that All England in 1976 told me he agrees with the author.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23739&d=1156616169 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23739&d=1156616169)

The article states that, "There were those who argued that Rudy Hartono's victory had been set up; that in fact Liem Swie King should have won, given his performance in earlier games and the fact that Rudy was suffering from an injured foot."

Anyway, what I was alluding to as "skeletons that are in the other athletes closets" are things that we never know as to be the truth, and that these players are sometimes under a lot of pressure politically and economically, they do things that may not be ethically correct and results in conduct that is unfair and unsportsmanlike. So I personally would not refer to any one athlete as clean or not so clean unless we are know for sure.

[ctjcad]

Anyway, what I was alluding to as "skeletons that are in the other athletes closets" are things that we never know as to be the truth, and that these players are sometimes under a lot of pressure politically and economically, they do things that may not be ethically correct and results in conduct that is unfair and unsportsmanlike. So I personally would not refer to any one athlete as clean or not so clean unless we are know for sure.
Hmm, i understand. Re your comment which i've highlighted above, no, i'm not putting "judgment" on anyone, be it good or bad. Every person has their own good and bad, no one is perfect. I'm just seeing and putting forth my opinion on facts(that actually happened and/or reported) of those players, in relation to the world of sport(badminton) they've been playing...
Re your example of Rudy and LSK alleged story, well, most people probably not know abt it. Actually there is/are recent "significant" news that is similar to that which happened ,if i'm not mistaken, abt 2-3 yrs. ago. I'm sure you or most of the people here know.
The player example i took and mentioned had been, if many people can call it, on an "exemplary" career. And that is based on factual infos/reports/news thruout the career, at least from what i've heard/seen. I don't think it's anything wrong with that is it??..If other people heard/seen something else that i or we don't know, then i won't know and not interested to inquire abt..;)

[Iwan]

man... i thought i was a badminton fanatic... until i read this thread :D kekekekee

[BadFever]

man... i thought i was a badminton fanatic... until i read this thread :D kekekekee

If you read thru some of the other threads, you are not even close as a fanatic. :D

What I don't understand is why IBF not taking any action until now. They should at least have a spokesman to clarify thing or comment on what they think is right/wrong by reviewing the video footage. If they don't take any action, as a spectator, I can only assume that IBF has accepted that it's actually the linesman's fault or bad umpiring (which is very unfair). I don't think there is any other sport out there that the main organisation is not doing anything to clarify when such situation occrured, oh, except for Badminton. :rolleyes:

[dropper]

[quote=ctjcad]]

Ctjcad,
Well written. I agree.

[ctjcad]

man... i thought i was a badminton fanatic... until i read this thread kekekekee

If you read thru some of the other threads, you are not even close as a fanatic. :D
:) hehe, well, pardon for "stirring up" this Taufik's HK Open fiasco, as it shouldn't really be a "big discussion"(i'm one of the "biggest contributor" also;:p).
Side note:Actually, as for myself, i just follow the world of badminton abt 4+ yrs. ago again after a "very long"(i mean real long-time) hiatus from the game...;):D

What I don't understand is why IBF not taking any action until now. They should at least have a spokesman to clarify thing or comment on what they think is right/wrong by reviewing the video footage. If they don't take any action, as a spectator, I can only assume that IBF has accepted that it's actually the linesman's fault or bad umpiring (which is very unfair). I don't think there is any other sport out there that the main organisation is not doing anything to clarify when such situation occrured, oh, except for Badminton. :rolleyes:
yah, i concur with you with the statement highlighted in bold..
On that note, i've got something to share with you guys:
Last night i met with a local guy who does linesjudging at the yearly U.S. Open event. I would guess he's around late 50s or early 60s but still quite active in playing. Upon meeting and chatting w/him, i mentioned and asked him if he knew what happened with Taufik @ the HK Open, which he said 'he didn't know abt it'. I then briefed him on what happened, and before i could finish off my story with him on what happened, he started to shake his head in disbelief. He totally agree that the actions was totally unsportsmanlike, quite disrespectful to the opponent and the crowds watching. He brough an example, in the "olden days", if a player toss the shuttle underneath the net, that would be considered very rude/disrespectful. He also added that 'linejudge has the ability to change calls and if player(s) don't like the call, then tough and bad luck; and the player(s) has to go on'.
Of course, the only other person able to over-rule their calls is the umpire. Which, of course, we've discussed abt repeatedly..;):p

[cooler]

:) hehe, well, pardon for "stirring up" this Taufik's HK Open fiasco, as it shouldn't really be a "big discussion"(i'm one of the "biggest contributor" also;:p).
Side note:Actually, as for myself, i just follow the world of badminton abt 4+ yrs. ago again after a "very long"(i mean real long-time) hiatus from the game...;):D

yah, i concur with you with the statement highlighted in bold..
On that note, i've got something to share with you guys:
Last night i met with a local guy who does linesjudging at the yearly U.S. Open event. I would guess he's around late 50s or early 60s but still quite active in playing. Upon meeting and chatting w/him, i mentioned and asked him if he knew what happened with Taufik @ the HK Open, which he said 'he didn't know abt it'. I then briefed him on what happened, and before i could finish off my story with him on what happened, he started to shake his head in disbelief. He totally agree that the actions was totally unsportsmanlike, quite disrespectful to the opponent and the crowds watching. He brough an example, in the "olden days", if a player toss the shuttle underneath the net, that would be considered very rude/disrespectful. He also added that 'linejudge has the ability to change calls and if player(s) don't like the call, then tough and bad luck; and the player(s) has to go on'.
Of course, the only other person able to over-rule their calls is the umpire. Which, of course, we've discussed abt repeatedly..;):p
We'll see. If ibf does nothing, it proves that the organization is stuffy and very conservative, reason why badminton is in a dulldrum for these past decades. I hope i'm wrong and they show some guts and the badminotn outlook would be promising. Taufik action is a direct challenge to pbsi and ibf integrity. If they do nothing, it says they have very little of the latter. :o

Regarding to tossing birdie underneath the net, lol, camilla martin had seen tons of those from her rival chinese gals. What they do is use their racket and push the birdies just inches pass the net boundary, their opponent has to walk up to the net to get the birdie LOL.:p

[CLELY]

According to JawaPos website today (05/09/06) reported PBSI will prepare a pleading for INA's ace shuttler TH (following his withdrawal in QF-round HkOpen/06) if TH get sanction from IBF Discipline Commission. PBSI also received an e-mail from Bdm Care Community in HKG that said TH must face hard sanction for his action.So far,TH keep silence about this case. Well, I guess PBSI will not take any punishment with the 'golden boy' although TH is clearly misconduct in that tourney.Why? Because TH is an asset for INA's bdm. Desperate answer, maybe...

[taufik-ist]

i've just read bolanews about taufik's WO

indra or anyone, would mind translating the news below :

Taufik Protes, Taufik Mundur
Pertandingan baru berjalan lima poin. Namun, keunggulan 4-1 atas Taufik Hidayat itu itu sudah cukup bagi pemain Cina, Lin Dan, maju ke semifinal Hong Kong Terbuka. Kenapa bisa begitu?
Partai perempatfinal bintang lima itu berjalan panas. Pada kedudukan 3-1, pukulan bintang Cina itu melebar di kanan lapangan Taufik. Menurut pelatih Mulyo Handoyo, yang duduk di belakang lapangan, jatuhnya kok itu sekitar 10 cm di luar garis putih. Penjaga garis pun membuka tangan yang berarti bola keluar. Lin Dan pun dari gerak tubuh menyadari bahwa pukulannya melebar.
Saat Taufik bersiap hendak melakukan servis, wasit menyebut angka untuk Lin Dan. Pasalnya sang penjaga garis kemudian meralat bahwa pukulan Lin Dan masuk.
Taufik protes ke wasit. Pertandingan pun terhenti sekitar 10 menit. Bahkan, dia kemudian mengusulkan kepada referee agar diulang pada kedudukan 3-1. Artinya, tak ada yang diuntungkan dan dirugikan dengan keputusan penjaga garis yang tidak tegas ini.
Namun, referee turnamen bersikukuh kedudukan tetap 4-1. Bahkan, dia menyebut kalau Taufik tidak mau menerima keputusan itu, ya WO saja.
“Taufik kok ditantang. Ya, dia kemudian memilih WO dengan mengemasi raket dan menyalami Lin Dan,” tutur Mulyo.
Taufik sendiri, hingga Minggu (3/9) malam, tidak bisa dihubungi. Dia tidak mau mengangkat telepon selulernya. Hanya teman yang mengaku bernama Christian yang mau mengangkat. “Taufik sedang ada acara. Silakan telepon lagi,” tuturnya

[newjazz]

Ok, I m trying to translate, but may not be that perfect.... :D

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When the point was 3-1 for LD, LD's shot out abt 10cm at the right-hand side of TH. The linelady open her arms to indicate the shot was out.
LD - from his body language - also shown 'agree' with that judgement.

And then when TH was going to serve, the umpire said point was given to LD (4-1) because the linelady had changed her judgement. TH protested to umpire and the game was stopped abt 10 min.
TH also suggested to umpire to revert back the game to point 3-1 and continue again...
but umpire refused that suggestion and told TH to accept as it is and said if TH won't accept TH is 'suggested' to WO.

TH's coach (Mulyo) said: "When TH was 'provoked' by the umpire to WO, of course TH would do that. And he did!"





i've just read bolanews about taufik's WO

indra or anyone, would mind translating the news below :

Taufik Protes, Taufik Mundur
Pertandingan baru berjalan lima poin. Namun, keunggulan 4-1 atas Taufik Hidayat itu itu sudah cukup bagi pemain Cina, Lin Dan, maju ke semifinal Hong Kong Terbuka. Kenapa bisa begitu?
Partai perempatfinal bintang lima itu berjalan panas. Pada kedudukan 3-1, pukulan bintang Cina itu melebar di kanan lapangan Taufik. Menurut pelatih Mulyo Handoyo, yang duduk di belakang lapangan, jatuhnya kok itu sekitar 10 cm di luar garis putih. Penjaga garis pun membuka tangan yang berarti bola keluar. Lin Dan pun dari gerak tubuh menyadari bahwa pukulannya melebar.
Saat Taufik bersiap hendak melakukan servis, wasit menyebut angka untuk Lin Dan. Pasalnya sang penjaga garis kemudian meralat bahwa pukulan Lin Dan masuk.
Taufik protes ke wasit. Pertandingan pun terhenti sekitar 10 menit. Bahkan, dia kemudian mengusulkan kepada referee agar diulang pada kedudukan 3-1. Artinya, tak ada yang diuntungkan dan dirugikan dengan keputusan penjaga garis yang tidak tegas ini.
Namun, referee turnamen bersikukuh kedudukan tetap 4-1. Bahkan, dia menyebut kalau Taufik tidak mau menerima keputusan itu, ya WO saja.
“Taufik kok ditantang. Ya, dia kemudian memilih WO dengan mengemasi raket dan menyalami Lin Dan,” tutur Mulyo.
Taufik sendiri, hingga Minggu (3/9) malam, tidak bisa dihubungi. Dia tidak mau mengangkat telepon selulernya. Hanya teman yang mengaku bernama Christian yang mau mengangkat. “Taufik sedang ada acara. Silakan telepon lagi,” tuturnya

[Brave_Turtle]

Interesting... Was it actually in or out?

Should we trust 2 trusted BC members or TH?

I guess we will never know :(

[Dreamzz]

10 cm though, hmmm, that's 4 inches!
i'm not saying whether what taufik's coach claims is true, but i'm sure that if the shuttle was out by up to 4 inches, the umpire would have been able to see it quite clearly ...

[cooler]

it would be nice to hear the umpire and linejudge sides of the story as well.

[Dreamzz]

i just saw KJ's game with LD and the call was very close, could have gone either way in my opinion but it really affected him for the next 5 points. otherwise, it would have been a KJ vs LCW final for sure!

[newjazz]

can share the file? i haven't seen that match... thx


i just saw KJ's game with LD and the call was very close, could have gone either way in my opinion but it really affected him for the next 5 points. otherwise, it would have been a KJ vs LCW final for sure!