Hong Kong Open 2006 FINALS (02/09)

[kemana]

mas took the first set 24:22
you can find the match on BTV6

[jason_tiger]

1st set won by Malaysia pair, 24-22
second set just started...

[sandy_bkk]

i hope malayasia wins MEN'S DOUBLES
GOOD LUCK TO THEM I MEET THEM PERSONALLY IN THAILAND OPEN...BOTH R NICE PEOPLE IN & OUT OF THE COURT TOO.

[ctjcad]

mas took the first set 24:22
you can find the match on BTV6
where's that??..any link to BTV6??..:confused:

[Malaysianfan]

MAS 4-Indonesia 6

[Malaysianfan]

MAS 6-Indonesia 6

[jason_tiger]

Indo pair leads 9-6

[Malaysianfan]

MAS 6-Indonesia 9

[Malaysianfan]

MAS 8-Indonesia 11

[cxytdn]

Set up "沸点" TV， and watch BTV-6 Live!

http://tv.net9.org/files/feidianTV_setup.exe

[Jessica]

Where you watch it..I juz can't get it..

[Malaysianfan]

MAS 10-Indonesia 12

MAS 12-Indonesia 12

MAS 13-Indonesia 12

14-14

15-14

16-15

16-17

16-19

[ctjcad]

Set up "沸点" TV， and watch BTV-6 Live!

http://tv.net9.org/files/feidianTV_setup.exe
thank you...well, it's probably almost over anyway...:p

[m_poppema]

Aah it takes ages to load the channel :s

[Malaysianfan]

Indonesia took the 2nd set, 21-16

[kemana]

where's that??..any link to BTV6??..:confused:
sorry,i don't know i'm watching TV:o
indo took the second set 21:16

[ctjcad]

thank you Malaysianfan for the score updates...:cool:

[Malaysianfan]

you are welcome.

3rd set MAS 2-Ind 1

MAS 4-ind 1

4-3
5-3
6-3
7-4
8-5
8-6
9-7
10-7
11-7
12-7
12-8
13-9
13-11

13-13
14-13
15-13
15-14
16-14
16-15
16-16
16-17
16-18
18-18
19-18

i am getting heart attack

19-19

[m_poppema]

Aah it takes ages to load the channel :s

Still don't see anything, how long will it take to get some footage?!

[byelnats]

Come on Kido/Setiawan! You can do it!!!

[tino4]

update plzzzz........

[mirrura]

Malaysianfan, are you watching now? I'm curious to know who's the one giving advice to CTF/LWW. I haven't seen him before

[jason_tiger]

Malaysia pair leads 16-15

[badcliq]

things don't look good for m'sia

[jason_tiger]

Malaysia pair leads 19-18

[jason_tiger]

Malaysia - Indo 20-20

[ksooi]

wow....came back intime to see chhong/ lee leading 20-19

make tht 20-20

[tino4]

it's not over yet?

[ksooi]

great defense fr indon....

21-20 indon

[ksooi]

indon win with a nice final shot...22-20

[badcliq]

oh no...go go m'sia!

[kemana]

indo won , 3rd set 21:19

[Malaysianfan]

malaysia lost!!:crying:

once again after HK Open 2003, they only manage to become runner up.

[badcliq]

argh....m'sia failed to produce again....dissapointed

[tino4]

y3sssssssss................

[byelnats]

Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! Indonesia Is The Best!!!!!

[Jessica]

Ha..lost again...Never mind..Congrat to all the winner...And all the runner up...You all are the winner..Bye..offline now...

[byelnats]

Cheers everybody!!!!! Champagne, anyone?

Well, beddy time. Let's sing Indonesia Raya before going to bed :p

[m_poppema]

Great achievement for the Indo pair..

Ladies and gentleman, what's wrong with Zhang Ning, does anyone know?!?

[Malaysianfan]

Malaysianfan, are you watching now? I'm curious to know who's the one giving advice to CTF/LWW. I haven't seen him before

he is the assistant. not sure of his name thou.maybe chang kim wai??

[kemana]

oops?i made mistake?
anyway, indo are lucky ,both pair are very good,haha
nice match

[Malaysianfan]

heartbreak....thought they hold a good record against the indon pair.

[m_poppema]

Ladies and gentleman, what's wrong with Zhang Ning, does anyone know?!?

And what about the WD?

[iceberg]

yipiiiiie... at last.. one title in HK open.. :)
congrats to all winner!

[SmartCivet]

And what about the WD?

yang/zhang beat gao/huang 21-19 15-21 21-19

[jason_tiger]

Indo pair won 22-24, 21-16, 22-20

[ksooi]

he is the assistant. not sure of his name thou.maybe chang kim wai??


No...its pang cheng chieh.....dont knw if the spelling is right :D

[Malaysianfan]

No...its pang cheng chieh.....dont knw if the spelling is right :D

Oh ya ya. you are right. It is him! can't remember his name.

[m_poppema]

yang/zhang beat gao/huang 21-19 15-21 21-19

Thanks SmartCivet..

Is there anyone who knows about Zhang Ning,
did she give up the match due to an injury or something?!?

[ksooi]

ksooi was our only resource earlier, as he was watching the matches live on tv..but he's been gone since...:p


sorry mate...had to go down town to pick up some stuff :o .....back in time to watch the final points of the 3rd set MD....

overall i think it was a good finals :) .....spectators getting their moneys worth :D after the TH incident :( .....all 3 setters except th XD (am I rite?)

[luyi80]

Well, congrats to LD, looks like he wore the "hat" that prepared by the organizer happily... and I noticed that the organizer didn't ready the hat for LCW, haha... experience in MO 2006 told them not to? But, LCW is true sportman wf 6* sportmanship, so no worry... he won't reject any souvenir fr the organizer even though he lose, KAKAKA... that's y I m always proud of M'sian players even though they r jaguh kampung, their skills may not be the best, but their sportmanship worth than anything else. For the linejudges, well, need not comment on whether there r bias or not, juz let the spectators to do their own decision, their eyes r BRIGHT enough!!! Taufik, KJ, LCW know that as well, hehe!

And dun worry 4 poor ZN, i dun think her knee is injured, and 4 sure she can perform well in WC in Madrid. IMO, this is CHN's conspiracy, as ZN is the current world no.1, so no matter she win or not 2day, she's still world no.1, so she retired fr the game is juz to help XXF to boost her world ranking, which is currently world no.5, so wf this 6* champion, 4 sure her ranking will take off like rocket. Sooooo.... this prevent ZN n XXF to meet in the early round, poor ZN, this may b her last time to grab HKO title, but...NO OFFENCE, i juz too imaginative, hehe...

[m_poppema]

So...

Did Zhang Ning and Xie Xingfang play any point, or didn't they even start?

[DinkAlot]

ooh no.....push long fr lcw....just like wht chen jin did yesterday

20-16 ld

and match goes to lin dan

21-16


Lin Dan: BOLEH!!! and did. :p :D

Congrats to both LD and LCW. :)

[DinkAlot]

19-21 CHN wins the match....Zheng Bo was excited...
again, Nova went into a few brain lapses & made 2 or 3 crucial bad shots for easy points...Congrats to the CHN pair..:)

Very impressive, I can't believe the young Chinese pair won. Congrats to both! :)

[Louisa]

nope, they don even warm up.....sigh, poor fans, buy ticket n no chance 2 watch.....so, de score line is, 21 - 0, 21 - 0 in favor to XXF.

luyi80, long time no c, since MO 2006, where have u been? U r really imaginative...well, i think BAM should hire u, as their strategist....hahaha, u can c thru their deception....but, be careful of ur words, LYB is watching out there...hehe...but, after read thru ur imaginative opinion, it seems like logic to think tat way.....anyway, no offence

ya, ya, ya....me almost fainted when i saw LD wore the cap, i thought he hates cap!!!!! Huh, really can't believe my own eyes, as he refused to wear our warrior hat during MO 2006....but, he looks handsome and adorable with the cap...i love it, i love LD with hat. Poor LCW, no chance for him to refuse the cap, hahaha.

[DinkAlot]

And dun worry 4 poor ZN, i dun think her knee is injured, and 4 sure she can perform well in WC in Madrid. IMO, this is CHN's conspiracy, as ZN is the current world no.1, so no matter she win or not 2day, she's still world no.1, so she retired fr the game is juz to help XXF to boost her world ranking, which is currently world no.5, so wf this 6* champion, 4 sure her ranking will take off like rocket. Sooooo.... this prevent ZN n XXF to meet in the early round, poor ZN, this may b her last time to grab HKO title, but...NO OFFENCE, i juz too imaginative, hehe...

Makes complete sense and I agree with your assessment. Also, I don't think you can call it a conspiracy, it's more like "team effort". :p

[cooler]

Well, congrats to LD, looks like he wore the "hat" that prepared by the organizer happily... and I noticed that the organizer didn't ready the hat for LCW, haha... experience in MO 2006 told them not to? But, LCW is true sportman wf 6* sportmanship, so no worry... he won't reject any souvenir fr the organizer even though he lose, KAKAKA... that's y I m always proud of M'sian players even though they r jaguh kampung, their skills may not be the best, but their sportmanship worth than anything else. For the linejudges, well, need not comment on whether there r bias or not, juz let the spectators to do their own decision, their eyes r BRIGHT enough!!! Taufik, KJ, LCW know that as well, hehe!

And dun worry 4 poor ZN, i dun think her knee is injured, and 4 sure she can perform well in WC in Madrid. IMO, this is CHN's conspiracy, as ZN is the current world no.1, so no matter she win or not 2day, she's still world no.1, so she retired fr the game is juz to help XXF to boost her world ranking, which is currently world no.5, so wf this 6* champion, 4 sure her ranking will take off like rocket. Sooooo.... this prevent ZN n XXF to meet in the early round, poor ZN, this may b her last time to grab HKO title, but...NO OFFENCE, i juz too imaginative, hehe... as much as i had scolded taufik earlier on walking out an unfinish match, i think conceding a match due to a questionable injury excuse is inexcusable. It was almost a given that zhangning and xxf would end up in the HKO final, if LYB want zhang ning to rest or xxf to move up a ranking, he should just leave zhang ning at home to rest.

[Louisa]

Makes complete sense and I agree with your assessment. Also, I don't think you can call it a conspiracy, it's more like "team effort". :p

give me 5.....u use the correct n exact phrase....Luyi, learn new term now, haha:D :D :D

[Louisa]

as much as i had scolded taufik earlier on walking out an unfinish match, i think conceding a match due to a questionable injury excuse is inexcusable. It was almost a given that zhangning and xxf would end up in the final, if LYB want zhang ning to rest or xxf to move up a ranking, he should just leave zhang ning at home to rest.

ZN cant afford to rest at home, as she is here to open the route for XXF to become HKO champion:cool: :cool:

[pauline]

bad day for Malaysians....
haizz,really sad to see LCW lost again..

[sandy_bkk]

Actually The Best Players Played And The Only The Best Of Best Won.now Ibf Should Do Abt. The Lines Men...like Tennis They Should Be Trained Too,so That No One Has Any Kind Of Hard Feelings Like What Happened To Lindan And Taffik.

[xxept0]

Argh, I'm so mad!!! The doubles were so closed... The relaxed as soon as they had a decent sized lead. I mean, COME ON!!!! Argh!!! -angry angry- And I didn't get to see LCW's match, and now it seems he lost... LOST!!! He's world number one and..... BAH!!! Ok, i feel better now....

[Malaysianfan]

Argh, I'm so mad!!! The doubles were so closed... The relaxed as soon as they had a decent sized lead. I mean, COME ON!!!! Argh!!! -angry angry- And I didn't get to see LCW's match, and now it seems he lost... LOST!!! He's world number one and..... BAH!!! Ok, i feel better now....

YAp. I was tension then. They were leading all the way during the 3rd set and yet they lost.Anyway, congrats to the Indon pair.

[Jessica]

Well..guys..all is over now..There is no point to angry or sad...Competition is like this..It need both skill and luck..Now lets all the Mas supporters wish Mas players can get an outstanding results in the coming WC...

[mirrura]

Typical typical Malaysian!!! It was as if CTF LWW could have won, but again, they let Malaysian fans down and did not seem to be disappointed at all. Well well..maybe they're already used to being at the second place..what to do.

Look at the hunger in Zhao Tingting and Xie Zhongbo. The way they acted to their victory..especially Xie Zhongbo..it was clearly shown that they wanted the title soooo badly.

btw Malaysianfan, that assistant which gave advice to LWW CTF is definitely not chang kim wai. I really haven't seen his face before. Who is he? Anyone knows?

[ksooi]

cmon you malaysian supporters....look on the bright side :) .....instead of knockin the players look at the positives :p ..... just imagine if they won the WC....wouldn't that be better?....even better if the won gold in the Asian games :D.......now all we to do is pray that they have not peaked too early....now that would be a shame :(

[ksooi]

btw Malaysianfan, that assistant which gave advice to LWW CTF is definitely not chang kim wai. I really haven't seen his face before. Who is he? Anyone knows?


if you look at the thread properly, you would find the answer.....:D :D :D

[mirrura]

ok la ksooi!! It's just some disappointment we (I) felt after seeing the oh-so-close-but-yet-so-far title to be grabbed. They better show us some miracles in WC :)

[ksooi]

ok la ksooi!! It's just some disappointment we (I) felt after seeing the oh-so-close-but-yet-so-far title to be grabbed. They better show us some miracles in WC :)


haha....now you want miracles :D ......all depends on who performs better on the day....so lets not put too much pressure on the players.....look waht happened to lindan last olympics and WC :rolleyes: ....

everybody loves their favorite player to win but someone has to lose...there is always a winner :) and loser :( ....and today i think the big winners were the spectators :) ...they were treated to top class badminton :) :) :) .....

sometimes winning is just not everything :D ......

look at lcw today....he might have lost his match but he certainly won over some new fans....that itself is already a winner :D

[Jessica]

Ya...his fans definitely will be more after each of his match...He is just simply too humble and his attitude is just so so so good...

[jaclyn]

LCW's fans definely will come more, after he make a come back on the semi and in the final his just great.but just the luck is not on him.
but is quite dissapointed in the MD, they should grabbed it, but no matter what still will support them:D

[chibe_K]

I want to tell LCW, practice your net and baseline shots dude ! He did it again this time, giving the title away by hitting too many shots that were waaaaaay...... off. LD could not do anything to him, LCW's defense is super solid.

[elwin81]

LCW is brilliant in his Defense. LD can hardly hit the bird on the ground from each rally. What I see from the match is LCW has great patient on every rally and this is a good sign. Look for the right time to win the points with no rush.

I am very much looknig forward to see what will happen in the coming WC.

As mentioned by ksooi, the biggest winner is the spectators and I shall ask my friend Eddie how he think.

[z3048018]

tell me about!! LCW got just about everything LD threw at him. good match and LCW has many new fans from HK.

[blueagle]

since ZN withdrew from her finals match with XXF, maybe they should have asked TH to play. maybe TH didn't want to play against LD but wanted to play against LD's gf, XXF. i think he belongs there...hahaha...just kidding. peace indra, taufik-ist et al. :)

[hara^kazuko]

I wasn't on internet these days just because I wanted to give full concentration on badminton, the matches were great... LCW's defence has gained admiration from the crwod even though he lost in a tight match... The Hk fans were super cute! You can tell the difference by comparing with other badminton opens.... I enjoyed HK open very much...

But I hope Malaysians will fight for the better

[w3wmfhe]

i think i was right ..CTF/LWW are good enough to play against anyone..but not in the final

[ctjcad]

Look at the hunger in Zhao Tingting and Xie Zhongbo. The way they acted to their victory..especially Xie Zhongbo..it was clearly shown that they wanted the title soooo badly.
it was Zheng Bo, not XieZhongbo...Yah, the CHN pair showed a lot of enthusiasm and hard work for sure->they deserved it..While the INA XD pair wilted and played uncharacteristically..:rolleyes: ;)

[ctjcad]

And dun worry 4 poor ZN, i dun think her knee is injured, and 4 sure she can perform well in WC in Madrid. IMO, this is CHN's conspiracy, as ZN is the current world no.1, so no matter she win or not 2day, she's still world no.1, so she retired fr the game is juz to help XXF to boost her world ranking, which is currently world no.5, so wf this 6* champion, 4 sure her ranking will take off like rocket. Sooooo.... this prevent ZN n XXF to meet in the early round, poor ZN, this may b her last time to grab HKO title, but...NO OFFENCE, i juz too imaginative, hehe...

Makes complete sense and I agree with your assessment. Also, I don't think you can call it a conspiracy, it's more like "team effort".

as much as i had scolded taufik earlier on walking out an unfinish match, i think conceding a match due to a questionable injury excuse is inexcusable. It was almost a given that zhangning and xxf would end up in the HKO final, if LYB want zhang ning to rest or xxf to move up a ranking, he should just leave zhang ning at home to rest.
no comments on these(as we could also be wondering the same thing about the absence of Gade in these 2 tourneys)..:p.Anyways, just hope ZN(and Gade) will get healthy and be ready to go in the upcoming WC...;) :cool:

[emms626]

although lcw lost.............but his score is won ld

[2cents]

it was Zheng Bo, not XieZhongbo...Yah, the CHN pair showed a lot of enthusiasm and hard work for sure->they deserved it..While the INA XD pair wilted and played uncharacteristically..:rolleyes: ;)

Yeah, as I said before. Zheng Bo should won something here. IMHO, he's one of the most talented double players, but has been wasted for so long. If he had not splited with Zhang Jie wen, there would be no such chaos in mixed double competition. :cool: If he had a good and stable partner in men's double, Cai/Fu would not be definitely the number 1 CHN md

[cooler]

if you look at the thread properly, you would find the answer.....:D :D :D
your last nite commentation was quite colorful;)
you have good ears too:D

[extremenanopowe]

ok lah. Malaysia boleh lah. At least a final; better than tak ada apa-apa. Its never easy beating the Chinese. Ayuh for the WC.
rgds:D

[ksooi]

your last nite commentation was quite colorful;)
you have good ears too:D


:D glad you enjoyed it..... :cool:

[pjswift]

I wasn't on internet these days just because I wanted to give full concentration on badminton, the matches were great... LCW's defence has gained admiration from the crwod even though he lost in a tight match... The Hk fans were super cute! You can tell the difference by comparing with other badminton opens.... I enjoyed HK open very much...

But I hope Malaysians will fight for the better

Agree with you. I think the camera work and lighting standard is similar to AE that's why it's visually so good. Other Asian Opens should learn from HKO in terms of making badminton telegenic.
But I don't understand the disappointment with LCW expressed by some fans. His suspenseful comeback against CJ proves his worth as the World No. 1 and that it's not a fluke but CJ took a lot out of him as he took a lot out of CJ. He may have lost to LD cos he ran out of steam at the end (reflected in a string of errors) when LD's tactic was to go all out. But if you were to ask LD who is the one player he would not mind losing to, he will definitely acknowledge LCW because he knows LCW deserves it. So , patience , my friends. LCW looks good for WC.
However , there's something absolutely deceitful about service judges in HKO. When their opponents asked for shuttle changes, in their matches, both CJ and Zheng Bo were not happy and told the respective service judges and the sj then did not or pretended to change the shuttle! China male players ,it seems ,are quite superstitious or thrifty about shuttle change.But if sj can go so low, I hope CJ and ZB realise that if you behave deceitful towards your opponents who are your fellowmen with common interest, then you deceive yourself and lose respect.They should learn from LD's mistake.
The reason why TH never warms to LD is because LD toyed with PG over shuttle change in the past. That irks TH because TH believes you should treat your fellow players with utmost respect.If you observe TH's oncourt behaviour towards his opponents, he is ok with anything on their end and in this sense, TH is a role model and well respected by fellow players.LD himself has improved in his behaviour and LCW has trained him to ok shuttle change without resistance. Note how classy and respectful LCW gestures for shuttle change. You won't find LD saying no to PG's shuttle request anymore like in the past. LCW has influenced LD to behave better and I'm happy for LD and hopefully TH notice LD's progress in manners and move on.
As for TH storming off in QF, HKBA got what they deserved. A lines judge who made a call before the shuttle landed is either inexperienced or 'ready to upset play'. If HKBA did not make provisions for the best lines judges and umpire to oversee TH's match against LD knowing TH's reputation and sensitivity,then it showed poor intelligence. (In tennis , after players complained about world no. 2 , Rafael Nadal's 'slow' play, they get the time-watching umpires to chair his matches).
I applaud TH's behaviour because he has guts and is willing to face the consequences. Don't worry , no other players will behave like him. Rules are there to keep players in line.What are the rules for umpires and lines judges?What's an umpire's job? Just to keep score? Come on,it's to ensure fair play so that the players can concentrate on playing their best.That's what badmniton fans pay to see.IBF umpires only keep score that's why they earn little respect. The umpire is a joke. If a player is upset by a very bad call, it should be standard operating procedure to replace the lines judge for any player instead of when LD asked for it. IT should be SOP to replace the lines judge. Too bad HKO fans had to suffer for HKBA's lack of anticipation.

[zqloy]

Agree with you. I think the camera work and lighting standard is similar to AE that's why it's visually so good. Other Asian Opens should learn from HKO in terms of making badminton telegenic.
But I don't understand the disappointment with LCW expressed by some fans. His suspenseful comeback against CJ proves his worth as the World No. 1 and that it's not a fluke but CJ took a lot out of him as he took a lot out of CJ. He may have lost to LD cos he ran out of steam at the end (reflected in a string of errors) when LD's tactic was to go all out. But if you were to ask LD who is the one player he would not mind losing to, he will definitely acknowledge LCW because he knows LCW deserves it. So , patience , my friends. LCW looks good for WC.
However , there's something absolutely deceitful about service judges in HKO. When their opponents asked for shuttle changes, in their matches, both CJ and Zheng Bo were not happy and told the respective service judges and the sj then did not or pretended to change the shuttle! China male players ,it seems ,are quite superstitious or thrifty about shuttle change.But if sj can go so low, I hope CJ and ZB realise that if you behave deceitful towards your opponents who are your fellowmen with common interest, then you deceive yourself and lose respect.They should learn from LD's mistake.
The reason why TH never warms to LD is because LD toyed with PG over shuttle change in the past. That irks TH because TH believes you should treat your fellow players with utmost respect.If you observe TH's oncourt behaviour towards his opponents, he is ok with anything on their end and in this sense, TH is a role model and well respected by fellow players.LD himself has improved in his behaviour and LCW has trained him to ok shuttle change without resistance. Note how classy and respectful LCW gestures for shuttle change. You won't find LD saying no to PG's shuttle request anymore like in the past. LCW has influenced LD to behave better and I'm happy for LD and hopefully TH notice LD's progress in manners and move on.
As for TH storming off in QF, HKBA got what they deserved. A lines judge who made a call before the shuttle landed is either inexperienced or 'ready to upset play'. If HKBA did not make provisions for the best lines judges and umpire to oversee TH's match against LD knowing TH's reputation and sensitivity,then it showed poor intelligence. (In tennis , after players complained about world no. 2 , Rafael Nadal's 'slow' play, they get the time-watching umpires to chair his matches).
I applaud TH's behaviour because he has guts and is willing to face the consequences. Don't worry , no other players will behave like him. Rules are there to keep players in line.What are the rules for umpires and lines judges?What's an umpire's job? Just to keep score? Come on,it's to ensure fair play so that the players can concentrate on playing their best.That's what badmniton fans pay to see.IBF umpires only keep score that's why they earn little respect. The umpire is a joke. If a player is upset by a very bad call, it should be standard operating procedure to replace the lines judge for any player instead of when LD asked for it. IT should be SOP to replace the lines judge. Too bad HKO fans had to suffer for HKBA's lack of anticipation.
Agreed. HK linesman is definitely a shame. During LD's quarterfinal, semifinals and finals match, there will be ridiculously bad line calls against the other player. Not sayin that LD doenst deserved the champion, he played well, but the linesmans really sucks. Even the usually good tempered LCW protested a bad line call during the 3rd set. I dont recall LCW did that b4 in the past matches, u can see how unfair they r.
For my opinion, LD and LCW has high respect for each other. LD never refuses Lee's request for shuttle change.

[ctjcad]

As for TH storming off in QF, HKBA got what they deserved. A lines judge who made a call before the shuttle landed is either inexperienced or 'ready to upset play'. If HKBA did not make provisions for the best lines judges and umpire to oversee TH's match against LD knowing TH's reputation and sensitivity,then it showed poor intelligence. (In tennis , after players complained about world no. 2 , Rafael Nadal's 'slow' play, they get the time-watching umpires to chair his matches).
I applaud TH's behaviour because he has guts and is willing to face the consequences. Don't worry , no other players will behave like him. Rules are there to keep players in line.What are the rules for umpires and lines judges?What's an umpire's job? Just to keep score? Come on,it's to ensure fair play so that the players can concentrate on playing their best.That's what badmniton fans pay to see.IBF umpires only keep score that's why they earn little respect. The umpire is a joke. If a player is upset by a very bad call, it should be standard operating procedure to replace the lines judge for any player instead of when LD asked for it. IT should be SOP to replace the lines judge. Too bad HKO fans had to suffer for HKBA's lack of anticipation.
pjswift, thanks for your input on this...If you haven't read, there's another thread on this issue, which you've probably have read or going to read..
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35765&page=13
I'm going to kinda repeat what i wrote from that link:
Sure Taufik or LCW or LD or KJ or any players have the right to be upset for all those "bad" calls..But actually that's not we're upset about-We fans have no qualms abt Taufik questioning the umpire/linejudges/referee, it's his right. But regarding the statement above which i've highlighted in bold, how do you know the linesjudge was either "inexperienced or 'ready to upset play'"??..If you don't know, our own red00ecstrat reported that he was at that match, sitting literally next to the court and he saw the shuttle landed "on the line", even "in"...Now, how would you call a shuttle that landed "on the line"??..in or out??out or in??..Put yourself in the linesjudge shoe??..It was a questionable call, and for one Taufik, how can he argue abt that call..Him trying to "blame" the linejudge over a questionable call will make it sound silly..
What we're upset and the point of our displeasure was at Taufik's behavior towards the linejudge & his decision to just walk-off and concede a forfeit over what?? Is that how a WC and Olympic champs supposed to act?? And worst, if you haven't seen the pics of him acting in front of the linesjudge, how do you feel abt that?? And remember, it was very2 early in the game..with nothing much at stake..Why did he walk out and quit just like that??..
And remember, KJ endured a similar thing also against his match vs. LD. Yet, even after the result, which was very crucial, he kept on playing. And not walking off like Taufik did.

Re your comment abt being an umpire "being a joke & they only keep score", well, if you were in his shoe, how would you act or make that decision?? Would you overturn the linesjudge decision or keep it the same?? Did the umpire had the best angle on where that shuttle landed?? That's why he and the referee asked & conferred with the linesjudge for the confirmation. If the umpire over-ruled the linesjudge decision, WITHOUT having a solid and positive prove himself, then basically he's "hijacking" the game. Is that what you prefer?? Then where's the integrity of the game??..
About them changin the linesjudges, if there's going to be a bad call in every match(which i'm sure there will be), then does that mean they have to replace the umpires, linejudges every single time there's one?? Don't you think it'll look silly??..:p
BTW, re your comment abt them replacing "incompetent" linejudges, yes they did replace a linejudge in the KJ and LD match, but that was after another bad call. :rolleyes: :p

[ctjcad]

Agreed. HK linesman is definitely a shame. During LD's quarterfinal, semifinals and finals match, there will be ridiculously bad line calls against the other player. Not sayin that LD doenst deserved the champion, he played well, but the linesmans really sucks. Even the usually good tempered LCW protested a bad line call during the 3rd set. I dont recall LCW did that b4 in the past matches, u can see how unfair they r.
Hmm, so with this complaint, what actually changed from previous HK Open tourney's linejudging and umpiring?? ..Most of us thought that HK Open used to have one of the "fairest" and "neutral" linejudging in the circuit?? What does all of this criticisms of bad linejudging make of the HK Open now??..Is the HK Open becoming another "Korean Open", where HK linesmen are the "scapegoat"?? Has the quality of linejudges/linejudging drop considerably from last yr's HK Open edition??..:rolleyes: :p :(

[tutu_h]

pjswift, thanks for your input on this...If you haven't read, there's another thread on this issue, which you've probably have read or going to read..
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35765&page=13
I'm going to kinda repeat what i wrote from that link:
Sure Taufik or LCW or LD or KJ has the right to be upset and all for all those calls..That's not we're upset about-We fans have no qualms abt Taufik arguing with the umpire. But regarding the statement above which i've highlighted in bold, how do you know the linesjudge was either "inexperienced or 'ready to upset play'"??..If you don't know, our own red00ecstrat reported that he was at that match, sitting literally next to the court and he saw the shuttle landed "on the line", even "in"...Now, how would you call a shuttle that landed "on the line"??..in or out??out or in??..Put yourself in the linesjudge shoe??..It was a questionable call, and for one Taufik, how can he argue abt that call..Him trying to "blame" the linejudge over a questionable call will make it sound silly..
What we're upset and the point of our displeasure was at Taufik's decision to just walk-off and concede a forfeit?? Is that how a WC and Olympic champs supposed to act?? And worst, if you haven't seen the pics of him acting in front of the linesjudge, how do you feel abt that?? And remember, it was very2 early in the game..with nothing much at stake..Why did he walk out and quit just like that??..
And remember, KJ endured a similar thing also against his match vs. LD. Yet, even after the result, which was very crucial, he kept on playing. And not walking off like Taufik did.

Re your comment abt being an umpire, if you were in his shoe, how would you act or make that decision?? Would you overturn the linesjudge decision or keep it the same?? Did the umpire had the best angle on that shuttle?? That's why he and the referee asked & conferred with the linesjudge for the confirmation. If the umpire over-ruled the linesjudge decision, WITHOUT having a solid and positive prove himself, then basically he's "hijacking" the game. Is that what you prefer?? Then where's the integrity of the game??..
About them changin the linesjudges, if there's going to be a bad call in every match(which i'm sure there will be), then does that mean they have to replace the umpires, linejudges every single time there's one?? Don't you think it'll look silly??..:p
BTW, re your comment abt them replacing "incompetent" linejudges, yes they did replace a linejudge in the KJ and LD match, but that was after another bad call. :rolleyes: :p

the best is to follow the review of touch down as implemented in Tennis.
this should be possible with proper lighting and angle of the cameras. the only question is, how much money r they willing to spend installing these cameras since the sponsorship is not as much as Tennis.

[ctjcad]

the best is to follow the review of touch down as implemented in Tennis.
this should be possible with proper lighting and angle of the cameras. the only question is, how much money r they willing to spend installing these cameras since the sponsorship is not as much as Tennis.
You hit it on, just like another poster mentioned..;)
sure they(IBF) can implement such technology to improve the quality of game-calling..I mean yah, it goes back to the finance issue..But then what if there are several calls that the players want to review, will they stop every so often and ask the umpire to review them??..And how often do they implement those special cameras to follow the shuttle's path??..:rolleyes: ;)
sigh, seems like badminton is getting more and more technical unlike in the past..:p :(

[cooler]

You hit it on, just like another poster mentioned..;)
sure they(IBF) can implement such technology to improve the quality of game-calling..I mean yah, it goes back to the finance issue..But then what if there are several calls that the players want to review, will they stop every so often and ask the umpire to review them??..And how often do they implement those special cameras to follow the shuttle's path??..:rolleyes: ;)
sigh, seems like badminton is getting more and more technical unlike in the past..:p :(
i don't mind players protesting since the key point is: under NSS, every point counts where as before under OSS, u might just shrug it off and lose the serve and work harder to get the serve back. Under NSS, a point lost is a point gain to your opponent, u can't get it back.
If ibf wants rally points like tennis, ibf shouldn't just stop at implementing the NSS. A cheap quick fix solution is incorporate 2 line judges per each sidelines instead of the current 1 per sideline.

[cooler]

oops, ignore my last statement, i think they use 2 linejudges per sideline already:D

[event]

And dun worry 4 poor ZN, i dun think her knee is injured, and 4 sure she can perform well in WC in Madrid. IMO, this is CHN's conspiracy, as ZN is the current world no.1, so no matter she win or not 2day, she's still world no.1, so she retired fr the game is juz to help XXF to boost her world ranking, which is currently world no.5, so wf this 6* champion, 4 sure her ranking will take off like rocket. Sooooo.... this prevent ZN n XXF to meet in the early round, poor ZN, this may b her last time to grab HKO title, but...NO OFFENCE, i juz too imaginative, hehe...This is an interesting theory but unfortunately it doesn't hold any water unless the Chinese team was trying to be devious without actually doing the math. In fact, by losing in the final, Zhang Ning ended up still as the world's #1 but only 102 points ahead of Xu Huaiwen. Xie did move up a little bit but the difference between 1st and 2nd in a 6* event is only 810 points but with this win she is still in the #5 spot about 700 points behind Pi Hongyan but still over two thousand points ahead of 6th place Mia Audina, who won't be at the WC anyway. Xie's points won't skyrocket because she loses the 4590 points from last year's HKO.

[pjswift]

pjswift, thanks for your input on this...If you haven't read, there's another thread on this issue, which you've probably have read or going to read..
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35765&page=13
I'm going to kinda repeat what i wrote from that link:
Sure Taufik or LCW or LD or KJ or any players have the right to be upset for all those "bad" calls..But actually that's not we're upset about-We fans have no qualms abt Taufik questioning the umpire/linejudges/referee, it's his right. But regarding the statement above which i've highlighted in bold, how do you know the linesjudge was either "inexperienced or 'ready to upset play'"??..If you don't know, our own red00ecstrat reported that he was at that match, sitting literally next to the court and he saw the shuttle landed "on the line", even "in"...Now, how would you call a shuttle that landed "on the line"??..in or out??out or in??..Put yourself in the linesjudge shoe??..It was a questionable call, and for one Taufik, how can he argue abt that call..Him trying to "blame" the linejudge over a questionable call will make it sound silly..
What we're upset and the point of our displeasure was at Taufik's behavior towards the linejudge & his decision to just walk-off and concede a forfeit over what?? Is that how a WC and Olympic champs supposed to act?? And worst, if you haven't seen the pics of him acting in front of the linesjudge, how do you feel abt that?? And remember, it was very2 early in the game..with nothing much at stake..Why did he walk out and quit just like that??..
And remember, KJ endured a similar thing also against his match vs. LD. Yet, even after the result, which was very crucial, he kept on playing. And not walking off like Taufik did.

Re your comment abt being an umpire "being a joke & they only keep score", well, if you were in his shoe, how would you act or make that decision?? Would you overturn the linesjudge decision or keep it the same?? Did the umpire had the best angle on where that shuttle landed?? That's why he and the referee asked & conferred with the linesjudge for the confirmation. If the umpire over-ruled the linesjudge decision, WITHOUT having a solid and positive prove himself, then basically he's "hijacking" the game. Is that what you prefer?? Then where's the integrity of the game??..
About them changin the linesjudges, if there's going to be a bad call in every match(which i'm sure there will be), then does that mean they have to replace the umpires, linejudges every single time there's one?? Don't you think it'll look silly??..:p
BTW, re your comment abt them replacing "incompetent" linejudges, yes they did replace a linejudge in the KJ and LD match, but that was after another bad call. :rolleyes: :p

The linesman made the call BEFORE the shuttle landed and then changed his call AFTER, that's what I understood. To make a call BEFORE the shuttle landed indicates inexperience or a 'ready to upset play' frame of mind. If I were the umpire, I would replace the linesman as it indicates inability to judge under pressure.
I think TH had to use sign language otherwise the linesman would not understand his Bahasa Indonesia. I read it simply as "you have vision problem? Maybe you should get glasses.' Others may be more imaginative in their interpretations.As you may be aware, TH is known for walking out when he perceives a less than savoury environment to play properly.He did this once to an umpire who could not make up her mind. Other players continue play regardless because they want to win or are afraid of the consequences;TH is in a class of his own.
The umpire that was a joke was the one chairing the LCW vs LD match. Both commentators confirmed LCW's smash was in, TV viewers can see it was WAY in and the shot was on the near side of the umpire; the umpire chose not to overule (maybe he may not ever be invited back if he did) .I can just imagine the umpire sleeping or looking at the roof just before the shuttle landed! That was a VERY bad call and the line judge should be replaced because it suggested simply poor vision or poor frame of mind which meant he will not read properly. Any VERY bad call means effectively the victimised player loses two points instead of gaining two.
The bad calls in the KJ vs LD match are 50/50 type, not as OBVIOUSLY bad as in the final. The linesman was changed at LD 's request , I believe, not on the umpire's initiative.( KJ should have made that request earlier; it would have eased his mind so he can play his usual steady game.) It's important to not assume the IF's scenario.: IF the SOP is to replace the linesman for every clearly bad call, then there might be a need for an army of linesman. You can see that in just those two matches,only three replacements are needed.The commentators felt sorry for the replaced linesman. How about feeling even more sorry for the player who should have been advantaged by two points instead of disadvantaged?
BTW, pls enlighten me, do umpires have the final say on the shuttle change or the service judge?

[Jessica]

The umpire has the final say in the court...I am not agree with what you say that some players is afraid to leave the court when they are not happy...i think is not they scared or eager for win...They just showing respect to the competition,audiences and the opponent...Sometimes,as a player,they can't just leave the competiton as their wish and what i have to agree with you is,the linejudges are really unprofessional this time...I am not happy with the linejudge that just simply judge before the shuttle fall...

[jamesd20]

do umpires have the final say on the shuttle change or the service judge?

They have final say on changing shuttles now, and line calls. The service judge has say on the service, and umpire on the receiver.

IMO Taufik is within his rights to forfeit the game, and no charge can be laid on him with regards this action. However what he did was very un-sportmans like. It doesn't show any lack of respect for his opponent. He didn't want to play so he didn't.

As with many sporting genius he is flawed. His temparament and emotional state is unstable. Nobody is perfect. Even Tony G lost!:D

[badMania]

Just watched the last set of the MD Final between Kido/Hendra and Choong/Lee. It was another classic match full of heart-stopping rallies between the two pairs :eek: Kido/Hendra was 8-13 down before Markis Kido decided to put up a one-man show. He single-handedly levelled the scores to 13-13 with his jumping smashes.

During the crunch moment when the score was 20-20, it was Kido's opportunistic shot which fortunately crossed the net and fell on the Malaysian's side of the court, unable to be returned by Choong Tan Fook. This changed the scoreline to 21-20 in favor of Kido/Hendra. Finally, Kido's return to the back of the court sealed the match 22-20. What a game...Kido's smashes are really deadly, despite of his height!

[ctjcad]

The linesman made the call BEFORE the shuttle landed and then changed his call AFTER, that's what I understood. To make a call BEFORE the shuttle landed indicates inexperience or a 'ready to upset play' frame of mind. If I were the umpire, I would replace the linesman as it indicates inability to judge under pressure.
yes, basically that what was reported by Cheung or red00ecstrat in another thread(sorry have to do a search on that). That the linejudge changed it within 1/250th of a second, which means it was very2 quick..IMO, the shuttle landing "on the line", is a tough one, and i wouldn't say "it indicates inexperience or a 'ready to upset play'". Calling that particular shot slightly BEFORE the shuttle landed is understandable, let alone changing the call 1/250th of a second later..
Here's a scenario:What would you do in that instance, say if the shuttle landed "on the line" or just say very close or near the line??..I'm sure you won't have a *definitive* call, right at that moment. Most likely you'll make one right after the shuttle had rest..Even then, another person from another spot could call it differently..:rolleyes: ;)
Personally, after just that 1 call, and the first one, which you know already it was a questionable call, i wouldn't replace the linejudge..IF and if it happens again and again or like you brought up the example below on LD vs. LCW or LD vs. KJ match, then sure, i would consider replacing them..;)

I think TH had to use sign language otherwise the linesman would not understand his Bahasa Indonesia. I read it simply as "you have vision problem? Maybe you should get glasses.' Others may be more imaginative in their interpretations.As you may be aware, TH is known for walking out when he perceives a less than savoury environment to play properly.He did this once to an umpire who could not make up her mind. Other players continue play regardless because they want to win or are afraid of the consequences;TH is in a class of his own.
well, whatever his body and hand gestures were to the linejudge, it sure didn't look appropriate. Maybe he did it for communication purposes, but you or me or anyone else, and esp. the linejudge herself surely have our own perceived imaginations. You don't think the linejudge know what Taufik meant by his gestures??..
On the statement i've highlighted in bold above, hmm, then what does that make of Taufik as a player/competitor??..Imagine if other players are like him(ie. Tony G. or ZN)??..:rolleyes: :p

The umpire that was a joke was the one chairing the LCW vs LD match. Both commentators confirmed LCW's smash was in, TV viewers can see it was WAY in and the shot was on the near side of the umpire; the umpire chose not to overule (maybe he may not ever be invited back if he did) .I can just imagine the umpire sleeping or looking at the roof just before the shuttle landed! That was a VERY bad call and the line judge should be replaced because it suggested simply poor vision or poor frame of mind which meant he will not read properly. Any VERY bad call means effectively the victimised player loses two points instead of gaining two.
so, with these complaints, what does that make of the umpire, in the LCW vs. LD match to be specific??..does it show the umpire was being blatantly biased or just "inexperience"??..Personally i doubt it's the latter, cos being an umpire, one must have enough experiences before..;)

The bad calls in the KJ vs LD match are 50/50 type, not as OBVIOUSLY bad as in the final. The linesman was changed at LD 's request , I believe, not on the umpire's initiative.( KJ should have made that request earlier; it would have eased his mind so he can play his usual steady game.) It's important to not assume the IF's scenario.: IF the SOP is to replace the linesman for every clearly bad call, then there might be a need for an army of linesman. You can see that in just those two matches,only three replacements are needed.The commentators felt sorry for the replaced linesman. How about feeling even more sorry for the player who should have been advantaged by two points instead of disadvantaged?
well, exactly, as i've mentioned before..it would look quite "silly" doing so, won't it??..Abt "feeling sorry for the player who should have been advantaged by 2 pts instead of disadvantaged", well, i can understand that, only if the calls are "purely blatantly made" or done repeatedly...

BTW, pls enlighten me, do umpires have the final say on the shuttle change or the service judge?
hmm, i believe jamesd20 had answered that..;)

[ctjcad]

IMO Taufik is within his rights to forfeit the game, and no charge can be laid on him with regards this action. However what he did was very un-sportmans like. It doesn't show any lack of respect for his opponent. He didn't want to play so he didn't.
hmm, then what about the IBF rules which was mentioned in this link by dropper??
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35765&page=13
Don't tell us those rules are "just for the book"..;) ..
He forfeited because of what??..just over 1 "questionable call", early in the match, which basically was 50-50??..:rolleyes: :confused:

As with many sporting genius he is flawed. His temparament and emotional state is unstable. Nobody is perfect. Even Tony G lost!:D
Sure nobody is perfect and every player, i'm sure, have their own temperament and emotional state, none excluded. But after becoming Olympic and World Champs and displaying we thought a "change in attitude" the last 2 yrs. or so, apparently it hasn't been so for Taufik..Tony G. lost, but i don't think he ever walk-off the court like what Taufik did, did he??..:rolleyes: ;)

[cooler]

yes, tony lost but he gave a show to the crowd.
agassi lost today too but he got a long standing ovation.
In the eye of most badminton fans, taufik come closest to perfection because of his OC and WC titles but yet none of his much less perfect competitiors behave like that. Too bad i can't use 'nobody is perfect' excuse to get out of a speeding ticket.

[jamesd20]

ctjcad: I agree taufik shouldn't have walked off, and it was not good for the sport and if everyone did this then it would be anarchic. and I 100% agree that walking off after five points and ONE bad line call (which as it transpires was not a bad call) is totally out of proportion. I guess that he was in an unstable state prior to the game and upset from last week.

Cooler: Your speeding ticket is because a law was broken, if you speed you can kill, taufik not playing won't kill anyone (I hope).

With regards to the reference to the law, since taufik had forfeited the match the game was over, therfore he was allowed to leave the court. The law cannot force a player to play against his will.


In summary it is an isolated occurence that happened whilst the game was watching. He has flaws, it is unsporting and not good. Similar occurences are Zidanes headbutt, and Pakistan forefeiting in the cricket.



However I do beleive it was uneccessary to make gestures to the line judge as even if he was simply asking the judge to test their eyes, this is an insult and does require action by the IBF. I doubt however the IBF are powerful enough to give such punishment to TH though.

[pjswift]

They have final say on changing shuttles now, and line calls. The service judge has say on the service, and umpire on the receiver.

IMO Taufik is within his rights to forfeit the game, and no charge can be laid on him with regards this action. However what he did was very un-sportmans like. It doesn't show any lack of respect for his opponent. He didn't want to play so he didn't.

As with many sporting genius he is flawed. His temparament and emotional state is unstable. Nobody is perfect. Even Tony G lost!:D

Thank you, jamesd20. Pls clarify again. Are you saying that after the umpire ok a shuttle change, the service judge can go AGAINST the umpire's decision when a player is unwilling to change? This was what I saw CJ getting his way twice in his semi and Zheng Bo once in his XD final.
Shuttle change has always been done openly on the racket face, from what I've observed so far. CJ and ZB's underhanded style is new to me .Have the rules change?

[jamesd20]

The rules have been changed recently. Before If the two players both agreed on a shuttle change, then they were allowed to change. If only one agreed then the decision went to the umpire. Now even if both players agree if the umpire feels that it does not require changes then they can decide to play on. This is in the interests of not breaking up the play.

AFAIK The service judge is only responsible for watching the serve and making sure it is legal, othre member may be able to correct me on this however.

[kemana]

The rules have been changed recently. Before If the two players both agreed on a shuttle change, then they were allowed to change. If only one agreed then the decision went to the umpire. Now even if both players agree if the umpire feels that it does not require changes then they can decide to play on. This is in the interests of not breaking up the play.
and can save some shuttles too,haha

[nugroho]

Just watched the last set of the MD Final between Kido/Hendra and Choong/Lee. It was another classic match full of heart-stopping rallies between the two pairs :eek: Kido/Hendra was 8-13 down before Markis Kido decided to put up a one-man show. He single-handedly levelled the scores to 13-13 with his jumping smashes.

During the crunch moment when the score was 20-20, it was Kido's opportunistic shot which fortunately crossed the net and fell on the Malaysian's side of the court, unable to be returned by Choong Tan Fook. This changed the scoreline to 21-20 in favor of Kido/Hendra. Finally, Kido's return to the back of the court sealed the match 22-20. What a game...Kido's smashes are really deadly, despite of his height!
hey badmania... where do you get the video of this match/ can you please share it with us?

[Loh]

hey badmania... where do you get the video of this match/ can you please share it with us?

If I'm not wrong, badMania watched the matches over internet. What do you guys call it - streaming? I've never done it before and do not know how to. :(

[kemana]

If I'm not wrong, badMania watched the matches over internet. What do you guys call it - streaming? I've never done it before and do not know how to. :(
i use ppstream, it's a software,you download it ,you install it,you run it ,you got your tv on line.hehe, not sure if it works outside china though:)

[Han]

i use ppstream, it's a software,you download it ,you install it,you run it ,you got your tv on line.hehe, not sure if it works outside china though:)

It should work regardless where you're, at least works in USA.

[kemana]

It should work regardless where you're, at least works in USA.
wow,that will be great. just not sure how it works. so i guess they have servers all over the world?

[X Ball]

i use ppstream, it's a software,you download it ,you install it,you run it ,you got your tv on line.hehe, not sure if it works outside china though:)

What TV channels can you receive using ppstream ?

[cooler]

If I'm not wrong, badMania watched the matches over internet. What do you guys call it - streaming? I've never done it before and do not know how to. :(
you should give streaming a try, it's pretty slick and easy nowadays.
I use sopcast.

[kemana]

What TV channels can you receive using ppstream ?
Don't know others, i only have some chinese chanels, like GDTV. Don't remember other chanels actually, i only watch GDTV with it.

[OneToughBirdie]

yes, tony lost but he gave a show to the crowd.
agassi lost today too but he got a long standing ovation.
In the eye of most badminton fans, taufik come closest to perfection because of his OC and WC titles but yet none of his much less perfect competitiors behave like that. Too bad i can't use 'nobody is perfect' excuse to get out of a speeding ticket.
Cooler, just watch for the speed limit and not press too hard on your Avalanche....don't feed those Calgary cops...hahaha...and see you tomorrow on badminton night.

[ctjcad]

Loh
If I'm not wrong, badMania watched the matches over internet. What do you guys call it - streaming? I've never done it before and do not know how to.

you should give streaming a try, it's pretty slick and easy nowadays.
I use sopcast.
yes, you should give it a try, Loh. There are PPLive, Sopcast, PPStream & TVAnts programs to name a few. Next time if you're interested in watching these games over the internet, you should look for threads or posts by another BC member named mikemike (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=13851). He usually post a link(s) for us to watch thru webstream. Of course, in order for you to receive & watch w/"smooth" streaming, you must have a pretty high speed internet connection..;) :)

[adrianwibowo]

password of video final MD hongkong 2006?????? cause i have download it but not work, please help me... thx..