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Malaysianfan
09-03-2006, 02:09 AM
Chong Wei and Tan Fook-Wan Wah crumble in HK Open final
By LOGANATH VELLOO

PETALING JAYA: The expectations were high but when it came to the crunch, Lee Chong Wei and Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah crumbled in their respective finals in the Hong Kong Open badminton championships at the Queen Elizabeth Stadium yesterday.
World number one Chong Wei lost 19-21, 21-8, 16-21 to China's top seed Lin Dan in the men's singles while Tan Fook-Wan Wah fell 24-22, 16-21, 20-22 to Indonesia's Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the men's doubles.
http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2006/9/3/sports/lin.jpg ONE UP: Lin Dan of China pulls his shirt over his head as he celebrates his victory over Malaysia’s Lee Chong Wei during the Hong Kong Open badminton championship final yesterday. Lin Dan won 21-19, 8-21, 21-16. – AFPpic
Yesterday, Chong Wei failed to get the psychological boost he wanted over his closest rival ahead of the World Championships in Madrid, Spain on Sept 18-24.
With the hard earned win in the men's singles final, Lin Dan has now extended his 2006 record against Chong Wei to 4-1.
The Malaysian's only triumph came in the Malaysian Open final in Kuching in June and he has yet to beat the Chinese ace outside Malaysia.
Lin Dan's other victories came in the finals of the Macau and Taiwan Opens and the semi-finals of the All-England Championships.
In the final, Chong Wei raced to a 19-17 lead in the first game but froze at the vital moment to allow his opponent to take four straight points.
The Malaysian made amends by taking full control of the second game and allowed the Chinese to collect only eight points before forcing the tie into the rubber.
But mistakes started creeping into Chong Wei's game and despite putting up a good defence, he gave away too many easy points and Lin Dan clinched a second straight Hong Kong Open title.
Despite the defeat, Chong Wei can take comfort from the fact that he still leads Lin Dan in the IBF world rankings and will start as the top seed in Madrid.
Tan Fook and Wan Wah, meanwhile, received a ticking off from national doubles coach Rexy Mainaky for handing the Indonesians their first title of the year.
An angry Rexy, who is in Kuala Lumpur, rang his doubles players in Hong Kong immediately after the final to voice his displeasure.
The Malaysians almost lost the first game when they threw away a comfortable 13-5 lead and were made to slog before prevailing 24-22.
Kido and Setiawan edged the second game 21-16 but found themselves trailing in the decider.
But the Malaysians failed to sustain their 13-8 lead and threw away two match points to lose the tie 20-22.
“They (Tan Fook and Wan Wah) played well until they led 13-8 in the third game,” said Rexy.
“Then, they changed their tactics and played as if they were already the champions.
“The problem is that they think too far ahead even before the game is over and I was angry, especially with Tan Fook, as Malaysia should have won the men's doubles title easily,” he added.
It was a no-show in the women's singles final as world number one Zhang Ning conceded a walkover to compatriot and second seed Xie Xingfang without stepping on the court.
http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2006/9/3/sports/chong.jpg SHAKEN BUT NOT STIRRED: Malaysian Lee Chong Wei disputes a call with game officials during the Hong Kong Open final match against Lin Dan of China. He was rattled and went on to lose 19-21, 21-8, 16-21. – AFPpic
There was an upset in the all-China women's doubles final when second seeds Yang Wei-Zhang Jiewen toppled the top seeds Gao Ling-Huang Sui 21-19, 15-21, 21-19.
Zheng Bo-Zhao Tingting ensured China took four of the five Hong Kong Open titles at stake by defeating Indonesia's Nova Widianto-Liliyana Natsir 22-20, 21-19 to capture the mixed doubles crown.

Malaysianfan
09-03-2006, 02:12 AM
I think this is their normal problem. They alwiz think too much during the game. Tan Fook was making a lot of errors as usual.

Wildstone
09-03-2006, 05:18 AM
“The problem is that they think too far ahead even before the game is over and I was angry, especially with Tan Fook, as Malaysia should have won the men's doubles title easily,” he added.


exactly, to tell you the truth i'm not surprised, not at all. This is typical malaysian men double. I still remember how they lost in 2004 all england men double final... just got really fed up.

Han
09-03-2006, 06:00 AM
Rexy did the right thing as he has done his part putting the Malaysian MDs into position to win, the rest is up to the players to grab. I am not sure what was in Lee/Choong's mind, after playing for so many years and missed so many close encounters ... and continues to miss. BAM should put priority on the new pairs as it's time to clean up and send the message to those who under-perform. Malaysia may not have the talent depth of China but the nation is very passionate on badminton and I truely believe we can rebuild in very short time especially on MDs.
I am not disspointed on LCW, the match could have gone either way if LCW handle the situation better on the last few point of game 1. It's very difficult to beat Lin Dan especially this year and if I am not mistaken only Lee Chong Wei can really challenge him so far.
Overall, Team Malaysia is getting better compare to the past, I recall we would be so happy to see Rashid Sidek, Ong Ewe Hock, Yong Hock Kin to advance to QF in any tournament and anything beyond that was consider "bonus". Wong Choon Hann brought Malayisa to the next level then came Hafiz titled the All England 2003 and now proudly having Lee Chong Wei. Same thing can be said about the MDs, Malaysia now has so many solid pairs that I can't even remember who team up with who, I think Malaysia do have better chance to win the world title in MD then MS.
Back to Lin Dan, without him Bao Chunlai and Lee Chong Wei would have won many more titles, so LCW is not the only casualty, think in the positive side.:D Also, not bad for someone who's still bittering about the lost of LCW and CTF/LWW in Hong Kong Open being so positive just 1 day after the defeat. Malaysia masih boleh!!!

Dreamzz
09-03-2006, 06:40 AM
yeah, although they fell at the last hurdle, i think they did well to make it to the finals. the win over cai/fu in the semis was amazing, i'm still dissapointed they didn't win the title from 13-8 up though. i think it would have been different if rexy was there ... he would have really let them have it even from the side of the court! :D

Malaysianfan
09-03-2006, 08:53 AM
Rexy did the right thing as he has done his part putting the Malaysian MDs into position to win, the rest is up to the players to grab. I am not sure what was in Lee/Choong's mind, after playing for so many years and missed so many close encounters ... and continues to miss.

Yap. I am not sure what's in their mind too. They should be very experienced now and should know how to adjust their mood/心态 during a game already. CTF still doesnt change his attitude which once made Kim Hock very angry in the past. LWW played well yesterday, defended well and could keep up the fast pace.If CTF can play at his true abilty, he can kill the ball easily.Well, hopefully Rexy will do something about it before the WC. Last time at AE final 2004, they admitted that they started to imagine the title in their hands when they were holding a huge lead which eventually cost them the game as they started to lose focus and made all the unforced errors.

Kamen
09-03-2006, 09:22 AM
to me, LWW/CTF is officially Mr Runner Up, not a champion material.

Wildstone
09-03-2006, 09:34 AM
Last time at AE final 2004, they admitted that they started to imagine the title in their hands when they were holding a huge lead which eventually cost them the game as they started to lose focus and made all the unforced errors.

wow really ? they admitted in the news press ??
sigh ... typical malaysian players ~~
I always expect huge fall out at the end of the game when I watch malaysian players play, and I prepared myself just to prevent going through all the disappointments.

Malaysianfan
09-03-2006, 10:26 AM
to me, LWW/CTF is officially Mr Runner Up, not a champion material.

Well, to me, they have the skills of a champion, but maybe not the mentality of a champion. They play a fast game and i love watching them play. Anyway, i think they have contributed a lot to the nation esp in the last Thomas Cup and they should be given some credits too. It is not easy to continue playing and maintain the standard after so many years on and off badminton court.

Well, hopefully our new pairs will rise soon.

Han
09-03-2006, 12:02 PM
Well, to me, they have the skills of a champion, but maybe not the mentality of a champion. They play a fast game and i love watching them play. Anyway, i think they have contributed a lot to the nation esp in the last Thomas Cup and they should be given some credits too. It is not easy to continue playing and maintain the standard after so many years on and off badminton court.

Well, hopefully our new pairs will rise soon.

Agreed, even though I am dissapointed with them but we can't deny the contributions(plus numerous heart broken) they've provided. Take this sport as entertianment, both Lee/Choong have played quite a successful roles. Anyway, both of them justified their national position and able to advance far into the round ... Just feel so fed up being second best(use to be OK but I think we can do better)
So Madrid, here come the Malaysians(worst come to worst, we come home empty handed again and few more broken hearts, what else is new) :D So lets all get plenty of rest and re-group in BF in 2 weeks.

ants
09-04-2006, 03:40 AM
I hope they learned their lessons. :) Will see what they say later over yam char.

elwin81
09-04-2006, 05:52 AM
I hope they learned their lessons. :) Will see what they say later over yam char.

yes ants. keep us update.
:p

Loh
09-04-2006, 05:58 AM
I think this is their normal problem. They alwiz think too much during the game. Tan Fook was making a lot of errors as usual.

I thought they should have learnt their lesson well when they were shockingly ushered out in the early rounds during the Singapore Open by Singapore's unseeded and untested Indonesian brothers, Hendry Saputra and Hendra Wijaya!

Then, I think they were taking things too easy, yes thinking well ahead that the match was already in hand! And before they could wake up, they were many points behind and never recovered from their nightmare! Counting their chickens before they're hatched! :D

xbro88
09-04-2006, 07:43 AM
i am also not surprised that choong/lee lost... Lee WW is a good player winning most of pts but choong seems at time to be over confident and make lots of basic errors... if they want to win titles they shld cut down on those errors and be focus... true champs find a way to win even when they are not playing well

WAY to go choong/lee!!!:rolleyes:

ants
09-04-2006, 10:34 AM
I thought they should have learnt their lesson well when they were shockingly ushered out in the early rounds during the Singapore Open by Singapore's unseeded and untested Indonesian brothers, Hendry Saputra and Hendra Wijaya!

Then, I think they were taking things too easy, yes thinking well ahead that the match was already in hand! And before they could wake up, they were many points behind and never recovered from their nightmare! Counting their chickens before they're hatched! :D

It may be different when you are playing the game. Its easier to be said than done.

Dreamzz
09-04-2006, 10:39 AM
I hope they learned their lessons. :) Will see what they say later over yam char.

this is not fair, ants gets to eat with them all the time.
though i did meet CTF, LTS and Roslin in birmingham during AE 2003.
met Roslin outside the stadium, whilst CTF and LTS were having dinner in a restaurant nearby.
nice guys!

ants
09-04-2006, 11:04 AM
this is not fair, ants gets to eat with them all the time.
though i did meet CTF, LTS and Roslin in birmingham during AE 2003.
met Roslin outside the stadium, whilst CTF and LTS were having dinner in a restaurant nearby.
nice guys!

They are my frens mah.. catch up with some of them before they leave to Spain.

terry
09-04-2006, 09:17 PM
yes ants. keep us update.
:p

Is look like ANts our BC reporter!...:p
haha! yeah ANTS give us a report on this :D :D :D

quik_silver
09-05-2006, 09:50 PM
I better hope for improvements for the line judges, there was far too many arguements from the players to the umpire.. Will you people think having replays will be better in a match of badminton? (Similar to tenni's system?)
I think there wouldn't be much arguement therefore.

ctjcad
09-05-2006, 11:38 PM
I better hope for improvements for the line judges, there was far too many arguements from the players to the umpire.. Will you people think having replays will be better in a match of badminton? (Similar to tenni's system?)
I think there wouldn't be much arguement therefore.
Sorry guys, just want to make a quick comment on this..
IMO, i don't think it's necessary to do so. I mean, sure, it may help during that particular match. But personally, i'm a believer, even if we do have that technology and allow instant replay, the calls will be a "wash". You can call it "what comes around, goes around"..;)
By that i mean, if a players gets all the calls in favor in a match, the chances of that player getting all the calls against in a match later on will be just as great.
So, for what it is, it's going to be all cancelled out, nothing is gained or lost, sooner or later..;)

chibe_K
09-06-2006, 06:19 PM
I better hope for improvements for the line judges, there was far too many arguements from the players to the umpire.. Will you people think having replays will be better in a match of badminton? (Similar to tenni's system?)
I think there wouldn't be much arguement therefore.

Definitely, I think its a setback to badminton for not adapting new technologies to improve line judging. Come on badders....this is the fastest racquet sports !!!
As a viewer, I enjoy a fair game. Being fair should not be a burden on the linesmen, they are human being too and it is expected mistakes will happen. But, using technologies to minimize mistakes is what we should do.

quik_silver
09-06-2006, 11:27 PM
Sorry guys, just want to make a quick comment on this..
IMO, i don't think it's necessary to do so. I mean, sure, it may help during that particular match. But personally, i'm a believer, even if we do have that technology and allow instant replay, the calls will be a "wash". You can call it "what comes around, goes around"..;)
By that i mean, if a players gets all the calls in favor in a match, the chances of that player getting all the calls against in a match later on will be just as great.
So, for what it is, it's going to be all cancelled out, nothing is gained or lost, sooner or later..;)

One point can make a lot of difference IMO, expecially when the game also coming to the end and the scores are extremely tight. The players may lose mentalilty to continue to play because of a vague line call. And don't forget, in tennis, there is an limit to challenge (believe is 2 or 3?)

Not sure will person exprience will prove my point, anyways. When I was playing in a HS regional tournment, in my game it was 19-18 with the opposition favour. Then for once, I knew that shot was in but my opponent said it was out... :( Afterward, I just start to gave up, I knew that was too desperate to win the match. (And I did try everything to win..) :(

ctjcad
09-07-2006, 12:08 AM
One point can make a lot of difference IMO, expecially when the game also coming to the end and the scores are extremely tight. The players may lose mentalilty to continue to play because of a vague line call. And don't forget, in tennis, there is an limit to challenge (believe is 2 or 3?)

Not sure will person exprience will prove my point, anyways. When I was playing in a HS regional tournment, in my game it was 19-18 with the opposition favour. Then for once, I knew that shot was in but my opponent said it was out... :( Afterward, I just start to gave up, I knew that was too desperate to win the match. (And I did try everything to win..) :(
Hmm, i understand what you and chibe_K were trying to say. And true, in the new scoring system, every point counts.
I know we are discussing off topic, so i will rephrase again what i wrote earlier. And this will be my last post on this matter.;)
Technology(ie. instant replay or better cameras to follow the shuttles) might help. But what i meant was, personally, i believe in the phrase "what comes around goes around". So, even if you get all the calls against you(even with the help of a better technology) this time, next time around(who knows when), you'll get all calls in your favor. And vice versa. Similar to another saying which goes like "you lose some, you win some"..;):)

chibe_K
09-07-2006, 01:14 PM
....i believe in the phrase "what comes around goes around". So, even if you get all the calls against you(even with the help of a better technology) this time, next time around(who knows when), you'll get all calls in your favor. And vice versa. Similar to another saying which goes like "you lose some, you win some"..;):)

In a league tournaments...yes, what you said is absolutely true. But in a grand prix tournament like HO, you lose you out. My take on this topic is IBF has complete guidelines to regulate a tournament to ensure fair play but its the quality of "SOME" (NOT ALL) linesmen and umpires that are not up to par. Hopefully what happened at HO is only an isolated incidence, not a widespread problem in IBF organization....cheers :D