LD vs LCW

[quik_silver]

After watching the HKO2006, does anyone find LCW's awesome defence against LD? Although, LCW was not too succesful with his drop shots in the end which costed him the match.

Honestly, I think LCW could of won the match if his drops killed LD. I think the World Championship is LCW this year! :D

[martin8768]

have you seen the malaysian open 2006 ms f, its very much the same

[quik_silver]

have you seen the malaysian open 2006 ms f, its very much the same

Yea I have, but LCW didn't screw up as much in the dropping. If you noticed in the HKO, LCW suddenly lost the touch with the drops. Not sure is it because he lost temper about the previous line call.

[chibe_K]

LCW is precision play and LD is power play. LCW has demonstrated he is superior in all aspects except the street smart to beat LD, which is his biggest weakness. LCW has solid defence, killing smash, and tricky shots that even LD cannot defense. Yet, the match between LCW vs. LD is really a one man show about LCW chasing after his own shadow. He would make mistake and give point away and then try hard to make up for his mistake again. LD is smart, he knows very well all he needs to do is to let LCW runs his own show and destroy himself.

[t3tsubo]

IMO lcw made wayyy to many mistakes to have deserve to win. If he made less mistakes like hitting average shots wide and not having his dropshots hit the net then he would have won. I personally find he defense AMAZING. to be able to block LD's smashs and return them in such a fashion that LD could barely (but did) keep up is flat out amazing.

Still a Lin Dan fan at heart though :)

[zqloy]

IMO lcw made wayyy to many mistakes to have deserve to win. If he made less mistakes like hitting average shots wide and not having his dropshots hit the net then he would have won. I personally find he defense AMAZING. to be able to block LD's smashs and return them in such a fashion that LD could barely (but did) keep up is flat out amazing.

Still a Lin Dan fan at heart though :)

Yup, LCW's defense has improve alot since MCO (which is already very good in MCO). Do notice that he can even return some of LD's killer halfcourt or net smashes. Thats superb!

[zqloy]

Yea I have, but LCW didn't screw up as much in the dropping. If you noticed in the HKO, LCW suddenly lost the touch with the drops. Not sure is it because he lost temper about the previous line call.

My guess is that he's stamina couldnt keep up during the 3rd set after giving out everything he has during his pervious match against CJ. A string of mistakes during the end of match has shown clearly that he has run out of gas.... :(

[byelnats]

I gotta admit he has a SUPERB defence. It is amazing to see how he was able to dig all those seemingly impossible smashes from Lin Dan. However, for some reason I still say Lin Dan has this superiority feeling around him. LCW, as I see it, has not had that imposing feeling yet. I think given time, Chen Jin will be able to beat LCW soon. However, good job on the defence. It is truly the world no: 1's defence.

[cooler]

My guess is that he's stamina couldnt keep up during the 3rd set after giving out everything he has during his pervious match against CJ. A string of mistakes during the end of match has shown clearly that he has run out of gas.... :(
finally someone got it right, IMO;)
ld got a huge break from taufik walking out, a rest break.
It is ld/LYB's game plan all along, drain off lcw's stamina reserve, even if it cost a 2nd game of 'play to lose'. That's why lcw suddenly lost his touch/net play late in the 3rd game, and why LD pour it out in the 3rd game. LCW stamina had improved a lot since last year. However, when taufik gave LD a leg up on reserve preservation, poor lcw has to beat ld in both stamina and skills and one of those has to give in.

[zqloy]

I gotta admit he has a SUPERB defence. It is amazing to see how he was able to dig all those seemingly impossible smashes from Lin Dan. However, for some reason I still say Lin Dan has this superiority feeling around him. LCW, as I see it, has not had that imposing feeling yet. I think given time, Chen Jin will be able to beat LCW soon. However, good job on the defence. It is truly the world no: 1's defence.
I personally think CJ's skills might be even better than LD. However he lacks experience and often loses his patience during the last crucial points, thats why he lost to LHI and ChenYu perviously in a very close 3rd set. At this time, LCW is still hard for him to beat as Lee is well known for his great patience in rallies. LCW's 2 great match comeback of this year has clearly shown that.

[Linus]

IMHO, if LCW was to defeat LD, he MUST win the first set. Conserve as much energy as possible in the second, and at the same time let LD do all the attacking and thus wear him off. Then go all out again in the rubber set.

This is on the assumption that if LD is playing at his usual level, there is hardly anyone now can take him out in 2 sets stright. Going into rubber, and hoping he is more exhausted than you would be the best bet.

KJ almost did it in the semi, but he collapsed mentally in the rubber. LCW's skill and technic are now closer to LD, his improved defense could be used to wear off LD.

The key would be taking the first set and let LD do all the chasing physically and mentally in the second. If LD won the first, he had the stamina and ability to push and win the second, or wore the opponent off in the second and take the rubber.

I know this is easier said than done. But LCW is the most likely player in current form to do that.

[Jessica]

I do noe you all got observe this or not.. LCW always lose the first set to LD in almost all the competition...When LD win the first set... It like he will win the match...So,i hope LCW can win the first set in the matches with him...This is very strange...If you all do not believe..Just check and see..

[Dreamzz]

hmmm, yeah, well he lost the first set against CJ as well, but still had the confidence to beat him in the end. i think it's partly psychological against LD, if LCW believes he can beat him consistently, then i'm sure he'll do better. currently, i think he still thinks LD is better than him.

[ants]

LCW's defence is good.. but he should be more agresive on the attack.

[Jessica]

He should build up his confidence as soon as possible....Ya...Maybe what Dreamzz say is true...Confidence is the biggest stone along his sucess path...I think his skills is superb and not far from LD..We can say they are equally strong but i think that LD mental is stronger than him...He should overcome this problem..

[zqloy]

LCW's defence is good.. but he should be more agresive on the attack.

He attacked less during the match against LD my guess is also due to hv not recovered 100% of his stamina after the marathon match against CJ.

[zqloy]

He should build up his confidence as soon as possible....Ya...Maybe what Dreamzz say is true...Confidence is the biggest stone along his sucess path...I think his skills is superb and not far from LD..We can say they are equally strong but i think that LD mental is stronger than him...He should overcome this problem..
Jessica, LCW no longer has the weak mental problem. His 2 strong match comeback against top players like LD and CJ has clearly shown that. From the way he plays, i dont think he has any fear against LD. However, he should learn to minimise his unforced errors although already running out of gas during the 3rd set....:o And the best way the take down LD, is to grab the 1st set and save some energy is the 2nd like wat LD does.

[cooler]

He attacked less during the match against LD my guess is also due to hv not recovered 100% of his stamina after the marathon match against CJ.
i watched the cj vs lcw match, it was a grueling match for both. I don't see much weakness in lcw as in last year or 2. LCW had improved alot. It was like neck and neck until lcw stamina slipping a bit near the end.

[Baderz_Jas]

:eek: Wow... LCW's defence sounds brilliiant! :D
I must watch those games (MCO and HKO) :)

[Dreamzz]

He attacked less during the match against LD my guess is also due to hv not recovered 100% of his stamina after the marathon match against CJ.

yeah, maybe you're right .... it was a tough game which only ended at what, 10.30pm?

[Loh]

LCW's defence is good.. but he should be more agresive on the attack.

I haven't had a chance to watch the Finals until tomorrow evening when a replay will be telecast in Singapore.

But it appears to me that despite LCW's very good defence, he still succumbs to LD's persistent attacks which must have contributed greatly to his victory. As mentioned, LD is not only street smart but also very intelligent in dictating the pace.

So, finally it would appear that the best form of defence is still to ATTACK. :D

[Baderz_Jas]

Yeah!!! The Malaysia Open MS Final dvd has come through!!! I"m watching it now, I notice that Lin Dan can't return most of LCW's smashes!!!!

[X Ball]

LCW's defence is good.. but he should be more agresive on the attack.


SPOT ON ! At times, he seemed to be waiting for LD to make a mistake. He should play like LD in the last set : playing with more urgency and smashing at every opportunity. I put it down to LCW still learning --- someone should tell him in the 3rd set, you go for the 'kill' and not wait to be killed.

[Baderz_Jas]

SPOT ON ! At times, he seemed to be waiting for LD to make a mistake. He should play like LD in the last set : playing with more urgency and smashing at every opportunity.

I agree too! :D His smashes are amazingly fast!

[zqloy]

Yeah!!! The Malaysia Open MS Final dvd has come through!!! I"m watching it now, I notice that Lin Dan can't return most of LCW's smashes!!!!
This is when LCW's stamina is 100%, his deceptive smashes is deadly. If u watch their most recent match in HKO, Lee attacked much lesser compared to MO & MCO. While for LD, of course he has plenty of strength to attack as he played 1 match lesser than LCW!

[hara^kazuko]

I guess there are less smashes from LCW in the HK open because he will not want to mess things up before the WC... Getting injuries at this time is not a right thing to do

[extremenanopowe]

It takes a big game to bead LD, I am sure LCW is aiming the next big thing...
rgds

[Han]

Have faith! What Lee Chong Wei need is the first win over Lin Dan outside Malaysia then everything will take care of itself. It's not easy just like we never thought LCW can beat any of the Chinese player before and he did against Chen Hong, Bao Chunlai and Chen Jin. It's never easy to win the title when Team China is participating where you have to beat at least 2 of them(4 if you're unlucky), I wish Hafiz and Beng Hong can take their level to next notch, that will help to clear the path for Chong Wei ...
Remember the Chinese song "Tomorrow will be better" ? :D

[X Ball]

Hafiz is gearing up for it. I wish it was Roslin going instead of KBH, who has still to develop a 'brain' for the game.

[Titan]

whatever it is, I'm actually proud and happy that Malaysia can produce a consistent player such as LCW...he can maintain top ranking longer than any other malaysian players...way to go LCW!!..

[cooler]

a lot of pressure on lcw as his countrymen hafiz and roslin not helping to eliminate some of the chinese MS players for him. I just wondering why lcw hard work is not inspiring the other 2 to do better.

[Han]

a lot of pressure on lcw as his countrymen hafiz and roslin not helping to eliminate some of the chinese MS players for him. I just wondering why lcw hard work is not inspiring the other 2 to do better.

Well, the purse money in badminton is just too small and it's very very difficult to win any Open title. In Malaysia, the players are taking care by the BAM in terms of salaries, food and lodging.(Except Hafiz is under Nusa Mahsuri but I believe Hafiz allowance also pay by BAM) Players get monthly allowance base on their world ranking plus base salary so even players don't win any title still will have nice living so why try so hard and taking the risk to injuries hence cut short ones badminton career? Why I am saying is, Malaysian players lack of motivation, desperation and urgency due to the surrounding enviroment ... It has been this way for long long time, I call it the Malaysian culture, it's OK to lose today as one can try again tomorrow and try again tomorrow after that if lose again and again... No new comer coming to replace anyway so why worry/hurry ? To what I heard, Lee Chong Wei is the only one who's willingly to work extra hard and willingly to accept new technique and idea ... The good news is, now we have Lee Chong Wei and the bad news is Lee Chog Wei is all we got now in MS :crying:

[Linus]

The good news is, now we have Lee Chong Wei and the bad news is Lee Chog Wei is all we got now in MS

Actually I am worry that LCW may have overworked himself. He is ranked 1st because he has entered more Opens than LD this year and probably due to the WC in Madrid.

It is a fine line between well prepared and over committed.

[Wildstone]

overall LD has a slight (very slight) edge over LCW, the ultimate advantage of LD would be his attack. Although LCW's defense is good but the ongoing results proved that in order to win attacking is very important. LCW's constant defensive shots give a very good game to the spectators, but the results are always in favor of LD.

[jamesd20]

As People have stated previousely LCW is better than LD in almost all aspects of the Game. He has better deception, Faster, technique and bigger smash.

LCW has a problem in that he does not use these advantages together well enough, by way of shot selection, thinking his way round the court etc... IMO it is not mental strength so much that lets him down.

LD Does this aspect much better, and this compensates for his inferiority Skills wise in the games.

If LCW coordinates his skills better watch out!!

[tutu_h]

Well, the purse money in badminton is just too small and it's very very difficult to win any Open title. In Malaysia, the players are taking care by the BAM in terms of salaries, food and lodging.(Except Hafiz is under Nusa Mahsuri but I believe Hafiz allowance also pay by BAM) Players get monthly allowance base on their world ranking plus base salary so even players don't win any title still will have nice living so why try so hard and taking the risk to injuries hence cut short ones badminton career? Why I am saying is, Malaysian players lack of motivation, desperation and urgency due to the surrounding enviroment ... It has been this way for long long time, I call it the Malaysian culture, it's OK to lose today as one can try again tomorrow and try again tomorrow after that if lose again and again... No new comer coming to replace anyway so why worry/hurry ? To what I heard, Lee Chong Wei is the only one who's willingly to work extra hard and willingly to accept new technique and idea ... The good news is, now we have Lee Chong Wei and the bad news is Lee Chog Wei is all we got now in MS :crying:

WCH is a also a hardworking player. too bad he is injured.

[smashmouth]

It's clear that LD's biggest advantage over LCW is his MENTAL TOUGHNESS. That's why LD's ability to remain focused and play his game consistently has made him the best men's singles player in the world today. My logical choice as to who has the best chance of winning the WC this year is LD.

On the other hand LCW is more entertaining to watch especially when he's in the "ZONE". I personally look forward to watching his awesome display of skill. Too bad however that more often than not, we only get to witness LCW in his best when he plays in his home turf.

I hope that LCW finally develops the mental toughness he needs to put on a great show and win the gold in the coming WC.

[zqloy]

It's clear that LD's biggest advantage over LCW is his MENTAL TOUGHNESS. That's why LD's ability to remain focused and play his game consistently has made him the best men's singles player in the world today. My logical choice as to who has the best chance of winning the WC this year is LD.

On the other hand LCW is more entertaining to watch especially when he's in the "ZONE". I personally look forward to watching his awesome display of skill. Too bad however that more often than not, we only get to witness LCW in his best when he plays in his home turf.

I hope that LCW finally develops the mental toughness he needs to put on a great show and win the gold in the coming WC.

As i had said b4, LCW no longer has the weak mental issue. If u hv watch his great match comeback against CJ in HKO u'll know what i mean, so i dont agree that he can only play the best back home. However, i do agree that LD's shot consistency is slightly better than LCW which explains how he lost to Lin. Anyway LCW is has been constantly improving since MO, so we shall see what happens in WC :o

[hara^kazuko]

As i had said b4, LCW no longer has the weak mental issue. If u hv watch his great match comeback against CJ in HKO u'll know what i mean, so i dont agree that he can only play the best back home. However, i do agree that LD's shot consistency is slightly better than LCW which explains how he lost to Lin. Anyway LCW is has been constantly improving since MO, so we shall see what happens in WC :o

Yeah, LCW just need to reduce those mad shots that are not even close to the sidelines...

[quik_silver]

LCW's defence is good.. but he should be more agresive on the attack.


Well I think LCW is hoping for a screw up from LD to be more aggressive.

[cooler]

Badminton: Li Mao: Chong Wei closing in on Lin Dan
06 Sep 2006
K. M . Boopathy


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AS far as national singles coach Li Mao is concerned, World No 2 Lin Dan of China is the best player and Lee Chong Wei still remains in the chasing pack despite showing rapid progress this year.

Li Mao picked Lin Dan, who will regain the World No 1 ranking tomorrow from Chong Wei after winning the Hong Kong Open on Saturday, to win the World Championships in Madrid on Sept 18-24.

While not taking credit away from Chong Wei, the coach said his charge must continue to work hard to keep up with Lin Dan.

Li Mao has placed Chong Wei alongside China’s trio of Bao Chunlai (ranked fourth), Chen Jin (fifth) and Chen Hong (sixth), Danish duo Peter Gade Christensen (third) and Kenneth Jonassen (eighth) and South Korean Lee Hyun Il (seventh) in the chasing pack.

"Chong Wei has improved tremendously and is closing the gap on Lin Dan. I consider Lin Dan as the undisputed number one at the moment and Chong Wei is still in the second group," said Li Mao in Bukit Jalil yesterday.

"Lin Dan is the player to beat in Madrid and Chong Wei must continue battling hard to achieve a good result.

"The Hong Kong Open has also helped Chong Wei regain his confidence and I’m happy with his progress. He is where I want him to be heading towards the World Championships.

"I do not want to predict anything but I can give an assurance that Chong Wei will give his very best."

Chong Wei suffered a minor setback when he lost in the second round of the Thailand Open in August and the recent Korea Open, which was supposed to be his last tune-up event before the World Championships.

Chong Wei then made a last-minute decision to compete in the Hong Kong Open last week to fine-tune his preparations for Madrid.

The move proved fruitful as Chong Wei reached the final after beating two of his main rivals — Hyun Il in the quarter-finals and Chen Jin in the semi-finals — before bowing out to in-form Lin Dan in the final.

It was Chong Wei’s sixth defeat in eight matches to the Chinese ace but his performance indicated that the World Championship could just turn out to be a two-way race.

Li Mao, however, feels Lin Dan is not the only worry for Chong Wei. There is also China’s two-time world junior champion Chen Jin, 21.



"Chen Jin is dangerous. He has improved a lot and we must not forget it. There are also other good players, and let’s not forget Taufik Hidayat," added Li Mao.

"Chong Wei could meet Taufik (ranked 35th) early and he has to fight all the way."

However, Chong Wei’s target is to end his losing streak to Lin Dan outside Malaysia. Li Mao may have planned something for Chong Wei.

[Loh]

Indra, not even Li Mao takes TH seriously if you read what he says at the beginning:

"Li Mao has placed Chong Wei alongside China’s trio of Bao Chunlai (ranked fourth), Chen Jin (fifth) and Chen Hong (sixth), Danish duo Peter Gade Christensen (third) and Kenneth Jonassen (eighth) and South Korean Lee Hyun Il (seventh) in the chasing pack."

TH's name is omitted from the above. Although Li Mao tries to correct himself (maybe by being polite) when he added later:

"...let’s not forget Taufik Hidayat," added Li Mao.

it is clear that TH is now a forgotten man and may not even make it as defending champion at the forthcoming Madrid WC in view of his recent 'infamous' tirade during the HK Open.

But if TH is given another chance, would he be able to make amends?

[cooler]

Indra, not even Li Mao takes TH seriously if you read what he says at the beginning:

"Li Mao has placed Chong Wei alongside China’s trio of Bao Chunlai (ranked fourth), Chen Jin (fifth) and Chen Hong (sixth), Danish duo Peter Gade Christensen (third) and Kenneth Jonassen (eighth) and South Korean Lee Hyun Il (seventh) in the chasing pack."

TH's name is omitted from the above. Although Li Mao tries to correct himself (maybe by being polite) when he added later:

"...let’s not forget Taufik Hidayat," added Li Mao.

it is clear that TH is now a forgotten man and may not even make it as defending champion at the forthcoming Madrid WC in view of his recent 'infamous' tirade during the HK Open.

But if TH is given another chance, would he be able to make amends?good eyes loh, i notice that too when i first read it but didn't want to comment it as i have wrote alot on taufik already;)

[quik_silver]

TH is becoming a story in badminton after the incident in HKO? Many factors in HKO is from the line judgments, I was surprised it even happened in the finals with LCW and LD. I thought line judgements would improve after the SF .. :S Guess not?

[cooler]

TH is becoming a story in badminton after the incident in HKO? Many factors in HKO is from the line judgments, I was surprised it even happened in the finals with LCW and LD. I thought line judgements would improve after the SF .. :S Guess not?

sideline judge position is a tough job.
1. it's long line to cover
2. in SF and up, u sit far behind the court, behind the advertisement billboard. To see the shuttle clearly near the post area can be difficult on very close call. Eg. LD vs kenneth J, second game, KJ was actually closer seeing where the shuttle land than the linejudge. I see that one as IN too, on the line.

[indra]

Indra, not even Li Mao takes TH seriously if you read what he says at the beginning:

"Li Mao has placed Chong Wei alongside China’s trio of Bao Chunlai (ranked fourth), Chen Jin (fifth) and Chen Hong (sixth), Danish duo Peter Gade Christensen (third) and Kenneth Jonassen (eighth) and South Korean Lee Hyun Il (seventh) in the chasing pack."

TH's name is omitted from the above. Although Li Mao tries to correct himself (maybe by being polite) when he added later:

"...let’s not forget Taufik Hidayat," added Li Mao.

it is clear that TH is now a forgotten man and may not even make it as defending champion at the forthcoming Madrid WC in view of his recent 'infamous' tirade during the HK Open.

But if TH is given another chance, would he be able to make amends?

Loh:

Li Mao was VERY, VERY wrong!!!

He did not take the event status and head-to-head psychological condition of the player into consideration in making his analysis. Remember what happened at the Olympic and last year WC, TH was UNDERESTIMATED....then all of a sudden, he messed up the forcasted scenario.

He (Li Mao) failed to understand Taufik's unpredictable characters ; He TENDS to be careless when he is on top, BUT he HATES to be underestimated...When TH feels that he is UNDERESTIMATED, we all will see his real and unstoppable Taufik,:) .

I personally like this current condition...in which most players and coaches doubt his ability, in which Taufik feels that he is BEING cornered and underestimated...This condition serves good fuel for Taufik to "burn" all his challengers in the WC, which is only 2 weeks away....I guess Taufik's hand is "itchy" already to show the world and prove that he is actually the man to beat .

TH is very confident that he can handle LD and LCW...he will be in form in 2 weeks time....ANyhow, the more "negative" statements on TH, the better for TH as they will encourage and motivate TH to refute those "negative" statements....:)

[cooler]

Loh:

Li Mao was VERY, VERY wrong!!!

He did not take the event status and head-to-head psychological condition of the player into consideration in making his analysis. Remember what happened at the Olympic and last year WC, TH was UNDERESTIMATED....then all of a sudden, he messed up the forcasted scenario.

He (Li Mao) failed to understand Taufik's unpredictable characters ; He TENDS to be careless when he is on top, BUT he HATES to be underestimated...When TH feels that he is UNDERESTIMATED, we all will see his real and unstoppable Taufik,:) .

I personally like this current condition...in which most players and coaches doubt his ability, in which Taufik feels that he is BEING cornered and underestimated...This condition serves good fuel for Taufik to "burn" all his challengers in the WC, which is only 2 weeks away....I guess Taufik's hand is "itchy" already to show the world and prove that he is actually the man to beat .

TH is very confident that he can handle LD and LCW...he will be in form in 2 weeks time....ANyhow, the more "negative" statements on TH, the better for TH as they will encourage and motivate TH to refute those "negative" statements....:)
Yes, the whole chinese MS team mentally bombed in athen olympic. LD was white cold in 05 WC. I doubt LD is a 3 time bomber. Plus this time, china has chen jin which he hasn't yet shown any stage fright after graduating from his world jr champ status.

[virusvoodoo]

Loh:

Li Mao was VERY, VERY wrong!!!

He did not take the event status and head-to-head psychological condition of the player into consideration in making his analysis. Remember what happened at the Olympic and last year WC, TH was UNDERESTIMATED....then all of a sudden, he messed up the forcasted scenario.

He (Li Mao) failed to understand Taufik's unpredictable characters ; He TENDS to be careless when he is on top, BUT he HATES to be underestimated...When TH feels that he is UNDERESTIMATED, we all will see his real and unstoppable Taufik,:) .

I personally like this current condition...in which most players and coaches doubt his ability, in which Taufik feels that he is BEING cornered and underestimated...This condition serves good fuel for Taufik to "burn" all his challengers in the WC, which is only 2 weeks away....I guess Taufik's hand is "itchy" already to show the world and prove that he is actually the man to beat .

TH is very confident that he can handle LD and LCW...he will be in form in 2 weeks time....ANyhow, the more "negative" statements on TH, the better for TH as they will encourage and motivate TH to refute those "negative" statements....:)

Well I certainly hope Taufik can rise to the occasion and defend his WC title. Although I do not like his laziness/carelessness attitudes to try (at certain times) & his arrogant/childish ways, his wonderful skills & techniques impress me. But To be honest, Taufik hasn't shown any good form lately and doesn't seem to be motivated/inspired which is why I am very doubtful he'll be able to do so.

But say, what if he does not win the title again, Indra? I really hope you'll just accept the fact that Taufik has lost his fire and stop giving excuses and start being realistic.

[jasonmarc]

Well I certainly hope Taufik can rise to the occasion and defend his WC title. Although I do not like his laziness/carelessness attitudes to try (at certain times) & his arrogant/childish ways, his wonderful skills & techniques impress me. But To be honest, Taufik hasn't shown any good form lately and doesn't seem to be motivated/inspired which is why I am very doubtful he'll be able to do so.

But say, what if he does not win the title again, Indra? I really hope you'll just accept the fact that Taufik has lost his fire and stop giving excuses and start being realistic.

I think this BAD BOY would turn Wonder BOY in this year WC, if not, he surely would return in the DOHA ASIAN GAME as he personally promised! Lets wait and see......:D

[Linus]

He (Li Mao) failed to understand Taufik's unpredictable characters ; He TENDS to be careless when he is on top, BUT he HATES to be underestimated...When TH feels that he is UNDERESTIMATED, we all will see his real and unstoppable Taufik,:) .


But actually after TH performance in TC in early May, I donot think many coaches would have "overestimate" him in all the Opens he has participated except IO which he won as expected. The rest of the tournament, he did not really live up to his own standard or your theory of thriving on being an underdog.

As I said in my earlier post, for player to excel in such major event, one has to improve gradually and hope to peak at the right moment. TH is rather flat at this moment and one wonder how he could peak in 2 weeks time when there are no more competitive matches that he could participate.

On the other hand, I also worry about LCW whether he has overstepped the curve but participating in too many tournaments and start lossing steam when the WC commence!

[Jessica]

Well...i believe that all the players will use all their ability to defeat their opponents..Like what indra said,anything is unpredicable before the WC...We do noe what TH planning or doing...So,lets don't underestimate him...As i say,everybody stand an equally chance and it depends on how you use it...

[taufik-ist]

i'm suspicious that indra is PBSI's official :)

[hara^kazuko]

i'm suspicious that indra is PBSI's official :)

lol, I thought you were Taufik Hidayat himself :D

[Malaysianfan]

From what i read in malaysian newspapers, i don't think any of the coaches have ruled out Taufik's ability of winning the WC.

[Dreamzz]

i'm suspicious that indra is PBSI's official :)

or a relative of taufik!

[Loh]

ANyhow, the more "negative" statements on TH, the better for TH as they will encourage and motivate TH to refute those "negative" statements....

Well I tend to agree with you that TH is now all "fired up" and will fight to the last to regain his former glory. This will provide the spectacular fireworks at the forthcoming WC and can only add more excitement for everybody.

Of course provided that extra special care be taken in selecting the line and service judges whenever TH is involved. Otherwise another fiasco may erupt again and TH may stage yet another walkout with a stronger set of 'unphotographical' hand gestures.

My only fear is whether he is allowed to compete and how his opponents will handle him. TH could really drive his opponents nuts and with this added "mental torture" playing in their minds, his opponents will be distracted. This makes for an easier kill by TH. ...hahaha

And Indra and all TH fans (wonder whose side Taufikist will be on this time)will be laughing in their chairs! ...hahahahahaha...

[Wildstone]

Of course provided that extra special care be taken in selecting the line and service judges whenever TH is involved. Otherwise another fiasco may erupt again and TH may stage yet another walkout with a stronger set of 'unphotographical' hand gestures.



Who cares. It is interesthing that he did the walk out thing once or twice, but if he keeps doing that, it's his problem anyway. The result would be just letting his opponent win the match and advance to the next stage. I dare him to keep doing the walk out if he likes, he is not going to get anything out of it. Players are just have to deal with bad line calls occationally, that is just part of the game.

[ants]

No one is actually underestimating TH. They are just putting things into perspective afer seeing the performance of the players which played in the recent tournaments. Don't forget that in a tournament such as WC.. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

[quik_silver]

TH hasn't been playing very well ever since last year, as I recall... With my imgination, I think TH thinks he can beat LD anyday (which is not true.) I think it's very doubtful for TH to win WC in Madrid this year, his game plays are really sloppy. And I am not too impress with it.

Also, ants may be right about the point where anything can happen in WC. Who knows. :p

I am going for LCW this year.

quik

[donchang]

Hey guy!! I have been watching the game between the 2 of them over a few time. The game is watch is the All England Semi 2006 / Malaysia Open 2006 / Hong Kong Open 2006 and all this show seem like that LCW can get point by attacking Lin Dan especially smashing.Do u guys agree? And also notice that LCW lose a lots of point when he lift the shuttle to Lin Dan right hand side as the over head smash of Lin Dan is very powerful and many times that LCW get unexpected smashing for the left hander on there. And also notice that Lin Dan is not patient when coming to rally point. And also prove that the net play of LCW is better than Lin Dan.. So is there any more weak point of Lin Dan u guys notice between the 2 of them? Hope that this round will be another good show between the 2 player.. Its was very excited to watch the 2 of them playing each other..

[cooler]

mod, please merge this thread http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36056
into here

[X Ball]

INDRA, accept it...."the end is near for TH and he faces the final curtain......".

After the WC, I think he will announce his retirement because he will respect his body, and his desire is not there anymore. He has achieved more than any normal player. The LD's and the LCW's are too hard to beat.

The WC is certainly LD's or LCW's. The minnow players would be Chen Jin and PG.

[Dandirom]

You're right about Lin Dan's overhead smash. Even when he gets a clear on his right hand side he has the uncanny ability to smash it quite hard. I'm a Gade fan but when I watched their match that Gade eventually won at the China Masters this year I noticed that Lin Dan got a number of points when he caught Gade of guard with a sudden overhead jumpsmash.


Hey guy!! I have been watching the game between the 2 of them over a few time. The game is watch is the All England Semi 2006 / Malaysia Open 2006 / Hong Kong Open 2006 and all this show seem like that LCW can get point by attacking Lin Dan especially smashing.Do u guys agree? And also notice that LCW lose a lots of point when he lift the shuttle to Lin Dan right hand side as the over head smash of Lin Dan is very powerful and many times that LCW get unexpected smashing for the left hander on there. And also notice that Lin Dan is not patient when coming to rally point. And also prove that the net play of LCW is better than Lin Dan.. So is there any more weak point of Lin Dan u guys notice between the 2 of them? Hope that this round will be another good show between the 2 player.. Its was very excited to watch the 2 of them playing each other..

[Wildstone]

LCW can get point by attacking Lin Dan especially smashing.

That's not true. If you observed very clearly LCW's attack is not as good (shall I say as powerful) as LD's. His style is on accuracy and precision. You noticed that LCW's placement of shuttles are always on sidelines, regardless of smashing,dropping,and lobbing. All of his clear shots are near perfect that's why LD always misjudge at the baseline and that's why he cannot get a clean shot even though his smash is powerful. Basically LCW needs to keep pushing LD until LD's clear is not long enough to the baseline and then LCW will execute his smash. You will notice that in almost everytime when the shuttle was clear perfectly (meaning very close to the baseline) LCW will not choose to smash. However LD has the ability to execute full court smash even the shuttle was cleared perfectly by LCW.

[quik_silver]

mod, please merge this thread http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36056
into here

some people dun do searches do they..

[quik_silver]

INDRA, accept it...."the end is near for TH and he faces the final curtain......".

After the WC, I think he will announce his retirement because he will respect his body, and his desire is not there anymore. He has achieved more than any normal player. The LD's and the LCW's are too hard to beat.

The WC is certainly LD's or LCW's. The minnow players would be Chen Jin and PG.

TH has been slacking off A "LOT". TH won't close his curtains yet, at least not anytime soon... Does TH have any injuries lately? Not that I heard of at least, but TH should be playing a bit harder to respect the game of badminton..

More training should do it for TH.. :o

[rlaurel_7]

Dude.. LD is just better than LCW he plays the pressure points well were LCW seems to crack.

[ye333]

Totally agree. LCW has better technique but LD has better physique, and LD is "smarter" than LCW, he uses his physical ability in a perfect way and his opponents are always surprised when their "perfect" clears are suddenly smashed back with unimaginable power.

In the past, anyone who wants to beat LD has to have very good technique. Like Taufik and CH. Then he needs to keep controlling LD using all kinds of attacking shots: basically, your technique needs to be so good that you never give LD defensive clears. This is how Taufik beated LD in WC final. And actually this is how Ji Xinpeng beated Gade (the "LD" around that time) in 2000.

LCW's technique, I have to say, is not as good as Taufik or CH yet. But now he has developed such good defence that he (the only one who) can give LD defensive clears. So let's wait and see whether this is a new way to beat LD.


That's not true. If you observed very clearly LCW's attack is not as good (shall I say as powerful) as LD's. His style is on accuracy and precision. You noticed that LCW's placement of shuttles are always on sidelines, regardless of smashing,dropping,and lobbing. All of his clear shots are near perfect that's why LD always misjudge at the baseline and that's why he cannot get a clean shot even though his smash is powerful. Basically LCW needs to keep pushing LD until LD's clear is not long enough to the baseline and then LCW will execute his smash. You will notice that in almost everytime when the shuttle was clear perfectly (meaning very close to the baseline) LCW will not choose to smash. However LD has the ability to execute full court smash even the shuttle was cleared perfectly by LCW.

[taufik-ist]

what if both of them lose in early round

nothing is imposible :)

[cao ci dan]

what if both of them lose in early round

nothing is imposible :)
:D taufik as well...
impossible is nothing:)

[Dreamzz]

now now, be nice.
i can't see both LD and LCW not making the final though, one of them losing maybe, but both?
hmmmm .... hard to imagine ....

[donchang]

That's not true. If you observed very clearly LCW's attack is not as good (shall I say as powerful) as LD's. His style is on accuracy and precision. You noticed that LCW's placement of shuttles are always on sidelines, regardless of smashing,dropping,and lobbing. All of his clear shots are near perfect that's why LD always misjudge at the baseline and that's why he cannot get a clean shot even though his smash is powerful. Basically LCW needs to keep pushing LD until LD's clear is not long enough to the baseline and then LCW will execute his smash. You will notice that in almost everytime when the shuttle was clear perfectly (meaning very close to the baseline) LCW will not choose to smash. However LD has the ability to execute full court smash even the shuttle was cleared perfectly by LCW.


Ya i agree with u that LD is more powerful than LCW is smashing but yesterday i also watch the LD vs Taufik in the Sudirman Cup game and taufik also can get a lot of point by smashing. And ya i agree with u that LCW placement is very good but that din seem to have much effect on LD as him cover the court very well and sometimes can attack u suddenly even though the shuttle is near baseline especially his overhead smashing . And i also notice that he seldom perform smashing on his fore hand side when the shuttle is high and near baseline.

[zqloy]

Ya i agree with u that LD is more powerful than LCW is smashing but yesterday i also watch the LD vs Taufik in the Sudirman Cup game and taufik also can get a lot of point by smashing. And ya i agree with u that LCW placement is very good but that din seem to have much effect on LD as him cover the court very well and sometimes can attack u suddenly even though the shuttle is near baseline especially his overhead smashing . And i also notice that he seldom perform smashing on his fore hand side when the shuttle is high and near baseline.
Maybe Taufik can get lots of points by smashing then but it will not be as effective now. Becoz LD's defense has improved alot this year.
LD and LCW has different strengths. LD has very powerful smashes and good defense as well. LCW has excellent deception and some very tricky wrist work which really trouble his opponent's less effective footwork. And 1 more thing is that LCW has recently developed 1 more weapon, which is his excellent defense esp when facing LD..... This makes their future meetings increasing interesting, becoz LD no longer has the absolute advantage against LCW...

[kobe77sg]

after few loses to LD , the WC is the time for LCW to revenge

[asuncion_03]

i think its not on your style.. its on how you use a play in critical moments of the game.. i think LD has a better playing style, but LCW's decision-making made him a tough guy 2 beat..

[quik_silver]

after few loses to LD , the WC is the time for LCW to revenge

I can't wait for WC it's next week!! :D

[Loh]

In today's Sports section of The Star, "National singles coach Misbun Sidek backs world no.1 Lee Chong Wei to put on a sterling performance and end Malaysia's title drought in the WC."

Misbun is confident that LCW will handle the pressure well despite his fourth consecutive defeat outside Malaysia by Lin Dan.

"When he (LCW) lost his world no.1 ranking a few months ago, he did not lose heart but was instead strong enough to fight to regain the top ranking."

"This shows that he has matured and he is experienced enough to handle the tasks at the highest level of competition. After featuring in the semi-finals in the last world championships in Anaheim last year his standard has improved and he is capable of going further this time."

Misbun, who trained LCW until the arrival of singles coach Li Mao early last year, still trains national number two Hafiz, who is seeded 8th in the WC. Apart from LD, PG and TH, Misbun also named three other Chinese CJ, BCL and CH as strong contenders. Not forgetting his own protege, he said Hafiz and LHI could also spring surprises.

Hafiz, who won the prestigious AE in 2003, has been blowing hot and cold and has only the Philippines Open title to show for thus far this year.

As I recalled, Misbun's confidence in LCW contrasted diametrically with that of LCW's own coach, Li Mao, who felt that LD is still the best. Maybe Li Mao is playing a mind's game with Li Yongbo. :D

But let it be cautioned that when Malaysia displays signs of "over"-confidence, her players did not seem to do well in the end, as recent past records had demonstrated. I only wish that Misbun had kept mum. :rolleyes:

[kokcheng]

I can't agree with you,Loh.I feel Misbun is correct.It's high time Lcw believe that he is good enough to take the title.He has to take the bull by the horns in order to be the world champ.I am sick of reading of the need of the easier draw in our Malaysian press.Lcw does not need any easy draw cos he has to win all his games in order to be the world champion.He has all the skills.So,Go all out and end Malaysia's gold drought in the WC.

[Loh]

Yes, LCW has improved a great deal and his recent battles with LD has not been one-sided in LD's favour. Why then did Li Mao not publicly affirm that LCW will beat LD if they should meet again in the WC Finals? I think he does not want to pressure LCW, but at the same time maybe he is working hard on LCW's mental toughness, which is critical, all things being equal.

That's why I think Misbun should not have made public the impression that LCW will win. This will not do LCW any good if he is already very determined and assured of himself. Let LCW show it on the court.

What Misbun is quite correct though is that there are others who will want to wear the WC crown as well and I think CJ will be most dangerous.

I wish LCW well and hope that he will take all opponents seriously on his way to the final.

[Dreamzz]

Yes, LCW has improved a great deal and his recent battles with LD has not been one-sided in LD's favour. Why then did Li Mao not publicly affirm that LCW will beat LD if they should meet again in the WC Finals? I think he does not want to pressure LCW, but at the same time maybe he is working hard on LCW's mental toughness, which is critical, all things being equal.

That's why I think Misbun should not have made public the impression that LCW will win. This will not do LCW any good if he is already very determined and assured of himself. Let LCW show it on the court.

What Misbun is quite correct though is that there are others who will want to wear the WC crown as well and I think CJ will be most dangerous.

I wish LCW well and hope that he will take all opponents seriously on his way to the final.

yup, what misbun said is likely to add to the pressure already on LCW.
all that tension can't be good for the lad ...

[quik_silver]

LCW for the WC2006. LCW has good judgement in his opponents, and LD isn't an exception.

Will LCW face any tough opponents before going into the finals?

[Eurasian =--(O)]

what an amazing match. the new scoring system is pretty entertaining. however I'm not sure if the matches will ever reach the epic battles of the 15 point system. I'm not decided on which is better though. For me personally though I'm a much better player with the new scoring system.

[pjswift]

I can't agree with you,Loh.I feel Misbun is correct.It's high time Lcw believe that he is good enough to take the title.He has to take the bull by the horns in order to be the world champ.I am sick of reading of the need of the easier draw in our Malaysian press.Lcw does not need any easy draw cos he has to win all his games in order to be the world champion.He has all the skills.So,Go all out and end Malaysia's gold drought in the WC.

Totally agree with you.Misbun hands out clear report cards on LCW after each tournament. After MCO, he said LD was tactically superior.After HKO, he stopped short of saying LCW was more than good enough for LD.Is LD in good shape? He struggled against KJ (who basically did a TH but in a more diplomatic way by finishing the match with contempt on his face.); he struggled against LCW. One wonders what would have happened if TH didn't gift LD with a break at the expense of LCW?
Li Mao would never publicly say LCW will win because he is Chinese and would not want to lose face.
Anyway, LCW as World No. 1 is different from WCH and Roslin.With WCH and Roslin, when told they were WN1, their reaction was like "Really?" ie ,one of unexpected pleasant surprise. With LCW, he is very clear he wants to be WN1 because he knows he is good enough to be one. And he works towards it. He works on his fitness(he used to be puny; now he is sinewy.)He wasn't in the hunt for titles(altho' that would be a bonus). He was in the hunt to play LD to suss out how best to defeat him by experimenting different ways before WC.No, LCW is very clear-minded about his mission and unperturbed about comments on his chances.

[Loh]

Li Mao would never publicly say LCW will win because he is Chinese and would not want to lose face.

Li Yongbo is Chinese but I think he doesn't seem to mind losing face, if his past behaviour is anything to go by. :)

LD is no mean player himself and I think he is intelligent as is LCW. Remember he beat LCW more times than the other way round. Therefore one must assume that LD will also be making notes of LCW's play in order to remain on top.

The final verdict will be out soon, within this week and I hope Misbun is right in his assessment. What I don't like to see is that LCW is unwittingly being pressured into trying too hard to measure up and fail in his mission as a result. For all we know, both LD and LCW may be knocked out before the final, although the probability is low! :rolleyes:

[weeyet]

can someone translate this? Li Mao reveal some secret of HOng Kong Open after the WC


香港公开赛，林丹与李宗伟决赛，第一局李宗伟顺风，打过羽毛球的人都知道，顺风球难打。第二局换场林丹一来 ，场馆的空调就被关了。当时我们以为是坏了，后来第三局李宗伟再换回，空调又开了。第一局，我 点着
打火机，风拼命倒向林丹那边，可是换了场地，我再打开打火机，火苗直直的，一点风也没有；第二次换场地，这 次打火机的火苗想都不想就飘向林丹那边了，我只能冷笑两声：'这样搞有意思吗？'实际上我现在很担心，因为 我不知道到了2008年，在北京，他将会使用什么样的手段。如果真的用这种手段去夺得冠军，这将是羽毛球运 动的耻辱，也是我们中国人的悲哀！

Pretty worry for Beijing 2008

[Malaysianfan]

can someone translate this? Li Mao reveal some secret of HOng Kong Open after the WC



Pretty worry for Beijing 2008

Actually Li Mao had revealed this right after the Hong Kong Open final already.