There are four empty entries in the men's singles draw, while many good players are rejected to play. It's waste of resources, tarnishes the completeness and integrity of the WC, and also it's unfair for other players because four players automatically advanced into the 2nd round already without any fighting.

Why not either let more players in from different countries, or simply add the top ranked players: Chen Yu, Niels Kaldau, Joachim Persson and Sairul Ayob to the draw. Those guys are always seeds in open tournaments, but even cannot play WC, especially Chen Yu, who was the best at Thailand open, defeated the top seed Lee CW, 3rd seed Chen Jin, 5th seed Chen Hong, and many others. So how Lee CW, CJ, CH ... can claim world champion (if they win) without Chen Yu's participation.

could it be due to player entry quota ibf put on each country?

There are four empty entries in the men's singles draw, while many good players are rejected to play. It's waste of resources, tarnishes the completeness and integrity of the WC, and also it's unfair for other players because four players automatically advanced into the 2nd round already without any fighting.

Why not either let more players in from different countries, or simply add the top ranked players: Chen Yu, Niels Kaldau, Joachim Persson and Sairul Ayob to the draw. Those guys are always seeds in open tournaments, but even cannot play WC, especially Chen Yu, who was the best at Thailand open, defeated the top seed Lee CW, 3rd seed Chen Jin, 5th seed Chen Hong, and many others. So how Lee CW, CJ, CH ... can claim world champion (if they win) without Chen Yu's participation.

well, if they don't limit the players from 1 country, then china will have 7-8 players in the WS. imagine that, an all chinese quarterfinal! but i agree that the number of byes is a waste, they should have some wildcards for players like TG/CW who have a good chance of winning the event ...

Even with a limit, can't they include the next ranked players? I would agree it seems a pity to waste the space. Or even give extra wild card entries..

When the qulification period ends they use the criteria for qualifications and invite the players. I remember last WC someone posted a spreadsheet of the qualified players, and this included 7 or 8 reserves. I presume this time they Invited these reserves but they Declined?

This years list is here:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35983

If not I agree it is a waste. In a prestigious tournament there should not be any Byes.

simon santoso should be included

simon santoso should be included

Exactly!

Simon Santoso is the best Indonesia men's singles player currently. Look at the ranking:

23 SANTOSO Simon INA 16843
31 HIDAYAT Taufik INA 15413
40 ROSOBIN ~ Jeffer INA 12720
46 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA 11697

Simon Santoso, ranked 23rd in the world, cannot play at WC, while Kuncoro Sony, ranked at 46, is qualified. :eek: :confused: :eek:

INA, has been regarded as the most powerful and strongest powerhouse in badminton. And its best player, Simon Santoso , even can not play at the world championship, while some guys, can play, even ranked 217th in the world :eek: This is so called the most prestige championship in the world :crying: :crying: :crying:

that's because he didn't qualify by the ibf deadline for eligible players ... can't remember when that was though.

They're 12 byes in the MD draw. How's that for ridiculous!

gotta keep the expense down, more byes, less shuttles used;)

Exactly!

Simon Santoso is the best Indonesia men's singles player currently. Look at the ranking:

23 SANTOSO Simon INA 16843
31 HIDAYAT Taufik INA 15413
40 ROSOBIN ~ Jeffer INA 12720
46 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA 11697

Simon Santoso, ranked 23rd in the world, cannot play at WC, while Kuncoro Sony, ranked at 46, is qualified. :eek: :confused: :eek:

INA, has been regarded as the most powerful and strongest powerhouse in badminton. And its best player, Simon Santoso , even can not play at the world championship, while some guys, can play, even ranked 217th in the world :eek: This is so called the most prestige championship in the world :crying: :crying: :crying:

Well... ranking doesn't really mean anything, the technique of a player is more important. Hmm.. probably TH do bad on purpose.. :rolleyes: So he can players with less exprience in WC.

IBF limited the number of player from country in each category.
But, they still can join if got wild-card.

There are four empty entries in the men's singles draw, while many good players are rejected to play. It's waste of resources, tarnishes the completeness and integrity of the WC, and also it's unfair for other players because four players automatically advanced into the 2nd round already without any fighting.

Why not either let more players in from different countries, or simply add the top ranked players: Chen Yu, Niels Kaldau, Joachim Persson and Sairul Ayob to the draw. Those guys are always seeds in open tournaments, but even cannot play WC, especially Chen Yu, who was the best at Thailand open, defeated the top seed Lee CW, 3rd seed Chen Jin, 5th seed Chen Hong, and many others. So how Lee CW, CJ, CH ... can claim world champion (if they win) without Chen Yu's participation.

well, if they don't limit the players from 1 country, then china will have 7-8 players in the WS. imagine that, an all chinese quarterfinal! but i agree that the number of byes is a waste, they should have some wildcards for players like TG/CW who have a good chance of winning the event ...

Agreed wild card is also a better way then the current practice. But i still feel that setting a quota for country is an unfair game.

Regardless of how many good player a country can produce, if the player is competent and good, he should be given chance. Domination by one country should not be an issue. My reason? If that country is so good to produce so many good player, what wrong with it to have 8 players enter quarterfinal?

Do you suggest that it will make the game less attractive/interesting?

Flaws! Don't you see that Asia can hardly even reach last 16 in World Cup (football) (except for Korea in 2002), but Asian still enjoy the game very much. They still enjoy seeing France vs Italy. Same is true here. If Indonesia is so strong in Men's double, then the individual badminton club suppoter will be happy to watch their club's player playing against other club's player in Final/Semifinal/quarterfinal.

could it be due to player entry quota ibf put on each country?

IBF realised they need to, otherwise there would be not a few fake matches like CJ vs LD semi in MO and TPO or all MAS MD semi in AE06. That's the last thing you want to see for a tournament that's telecast worldwide.This WC, CHN already hit jackpot, they have 4 MS instead of the usual 3 and fake matches may figure if, say , BCL or CH play very well.A fake match is cowardly and an insult to the sport, hence its occurence should be minimised.

Agreed wild card is also a better way then the current practice. But i still feel that setting a quota for country is an unfair game.

Regardless of how many good player a country can produce, if the player is competent and good, he should be given chance. Domination by one country should not be an issue. My reason? If that country is so good to produce so many good player, what wrong with it to have 8 players enter quarterfinal?

Do you suggest that it will make the game less attractive/interesting?

Flaws! Don't you see that Asia can hardly even reach last 16 in World Cup (football) (except for Korea in 2002), but Asian still enjoy the game very much. They still enjoy seeing France vs Italy. Same is true here. If Indonesia is so strong in Men's double, then the individual badminton club suppoter will be happy to watch their club's player playing against other club's player in Final/Semifinal/quarterfinal.

I believe the main reason IBF introduced country quota in WC is to project badminton as a “global sport” enjoyed and played by many countries instead of being dominated by a few countries. That is why you see many countries participating in WC. IBF wants to please the IOC whose members can decide whether badminton remains one of 28 Olympic sports. Badminton is not “secured” Olympic sport at the moment as the game is dominated by a few Asian countries (China, Indonesia, Korea and Malaysia). It would be sad for all of us if rugby, squash, or golf mange to elbow their way in and replace badminton as an Olympic sport.

The most deserving players to fill the byes are unfortunately players from China, Indonesia, Korea and Malaysia. Including them in would increase the % of players from these few countries. But given the current scenario, should we throw open the WC and let all the best players participate??? There are many fantastic players like Simon Susanto, Chen Yu, T.Gunawan/C.Wijaya, Gan Teik Chai/Zakry, Sairul Ayob, etc not being given the opportunity to participate in Madrid WC. These players are world class players and on their day they can be world champions!

I believe the main reason IBF introduced country quota in WC is to project badminton as a “global sport” enjoyed and played by many countries instead of being dominated by a few countries. That is why you see many countries participating in WC. IBF wants to please the IOC whose members can decide whether badminton remains one of 28 Olympic sports. Badminton is not “secured” Olympic sport at the moment as the game is dominated by a few Asian countries (China, Indonesia, Korea and Malaysia). It would be sad for all of us if rugby, squash, or golf mange to elbow their way in and replace badminton as an Olympic sport.

The most deserving players to fill the byes are unfortunately players from China, Indonesia, Korea and Malaysia. Including them in would increase the % of players from these few countries. But given the current scenario, should we throw open the WC and let all the best players participate??? There are many fantastic players like Simon Susanto, Chen Yu, T.Gunawan/C.Wijaya, Gan Teik Chai/Zakry, Sairul Ayob, etc not being given the opportunity to participate in Madrid WC. These players are world class players and on their day they can be world champions!


My suggestion to IBF:

To ensure the the WC is participated by players around the globe and excellent players....in addition to the quota regulation, I have another suggestion:

" Any player / pairs who have reached at least ONCE the semi final in ANY 6* tournament or the final in ANY 5* in the past 12 months shall have the right to participate in the WC."

I think

we must support IBF decision to limit the number of players from one country so badminton becoming more popular and can become a number one sport in the world

I think

we must support IBF decision to limit the number of players from one country so badminton becoming more popular and can become a number one sport in the worldBut now the most popular and no 1 sport in the world is still football...:crying: You can see all the peoples crazy about the World Cup...But in fact,i love badminton more...:D

IBF should introduce WC..regardless how they will do it or what criteria will be used.......add some players to spoil or create the upset in WC...it is called World Championship...so any best players should participate..period!!

Badminton is no exception to the rule that Nations have quotas for the number of participants. Football has such rules for its World Cup.

It is an Olympic rule that The sport should be multinational. If people wish badminton to be excluded from the OG, and have less profile and less exposure than it currently has, then please continue to lobby to abandon the quotas. If you require the sport to maintain or grow its profile and exposure, then support the quota system.


I support the quota system as it helps to popularise the sport in lesser nations, and gives developing or middling nations to get better results on the world stage, so improving their nations popularity. It does not Favour Super powers such as CHN or MAL where there players dominate, but a sport dominated by one coutry leads to less exposure outside that country eg. American football.

I agree that their should not be byes in WC, but think that the byes should be filled by the reserves from the previousley linked qualification thread. If players cannot afford to travel, then perhaps WBF should subsidise their expenses.

I also support the quotas presented in this world championships. It's a shame that some very deserving players aren't able to play, but that's life.

Just rename WC as 'Quota' WC and that will make things a lot clearer....My personal opinion - any 4 or 5 start torunament is better than WC since each country can send many players without such restriction - better than WC and provide more exciting games. Winning WC is just for the name only not a real champion to me.

The winner of WC should beat all best players...tahts we call World Champion....by restricting some rules so many good players can not go..it reduces the competition.

The winner of WC should beat all best players...tahts we call World Champion....by restricting some rules so many good players can not go..it reduces the competition.

As you say it is called the "World championship" and the world champion. How can TH say he is the world champion if only his countrymen enter? then he is simply Indonesian champion.

It is for players to play against the best of the countries of the world. Not against their own countrymen. There are National championships for each individual country, and continental championships for each continent for this purpose, and open tournaments for everyone to enter.

Is it too much to ask to have one tournament per year with restricted entry?

BTW:IBF is to start a masters series next year with restricted entry solely on Rankings.

As you say it is called the "World championship" and the world champion. How can TH say he is the world champion if only his countrymen enter? then he is simply Indonesian champion.

It is for players to play against the best of the countries of the world. Not against their own countrymen. There are National championships for each individual country, and continental championships for each continent for this purpose, and open tournaments for everyone to enter.

Is it too much to ask to have one tournament per year with restricted entry?

BTW:IBF is to start a masters series next year with restricted entry solely on Rankings.
i can live with that quota rules because the olympic and WC games are competitons between countries and there are other Opens for unrestricted entry. This is one reason i dont rank talents too highly from OC results especially even tho its has more stars. ie, taufik.

I don't see any issue on current IBF format either except not making good use of the wild card seem like a waste but then who should be invited also can create controversy.
There're Open tournaments for whoever wish and qualify to join and there are invitation only tournaments like Olympics and WC, each of them has its own function and should be kept that way.

IBF is clearly violating its own rules that are in the Statutes of the IBF "Regulations for Elgibility and Processing of Entries for World Championships".

3.2.2
The IBF list of the eligibilty date shall be used allocate places. Regulations 3.2.3 to 3.2.6 will be considered until a total of 64 players/pairs in each event are allocated, or the entries received have been exhausted.

3.2.3
Players/pairs ranked one to eight in the IBF ranking list for each event will be considered in turn and are eligible to enterr unless a total of for from any country would therby be exceeded in that event.
3.2.4
Players/pairs ranked nine to 24 will be considered in turn and are elegible to enter unless a total of three from any one country would therby be exceeded in that event.
3.2.5
Players/pairs ranked 25 to 150 will be considered in turn and are eligible to enter unless a total of two from any one country would thereby be exceeded in that event.
3.2.6
After considering players/pairs ranked to 150 (Reg. 3.2.5), the players/pairs ranked nine and lower for each event will be considered in turn and are eligible to enter unless a total of four from any country would thereby be exceeded in that event. Players lower than 150 are eligible to enter under this regulation.

IBF had not allocated the required 64 (Because there are so many byes), and there are many athletes who qualify under these rules, and also who would like to participate in the World Championships, but are not invited. According to these rules there should not be any byes unless it was due to a withdrawal of a player due to some unforseen circumstance who was originally in the draw. These byes that appear in the draws are due to the IBF's incompetence of not being able to come up with a system to meet the statutes of inviting 64 who are eligible and who will participate, although it is so very easy to come up with a method to meet all the said regulations, and still fill the 64 available spots at the Worlds.

So, as most players have been playing for the 4th days, and almost 80% players had packed home. some people are just going to begin to play today.

Just in Mixed double, [CAN] William MILROY, [CAN] Tammy SUN, [DEN] Jonas RASMUSSEN and [DEN] Britta ANDERSEN will begin their 1st match today, respectively. Wondering how they are doing?