Taufik Jangan Terlalu Diharapkan

JAKARTA - Indonesia memiliki pebulu tangkis hebat bernama Taufik Hidayat. Dia juara Olimpiade 2004 Athena dan Kejuaraan Dunia 2005. Sayang, dia tidak bisa lagi terlalu diharapkan Merah Putih untuk mempertahankan gelarnya pada Kejuaraan Dunia 2006 yang dilaskanakan di Madrid 18-24 September mendatang.

"Kalau Taufik mau juara, peluang untuk itu sangat terbuka. Namun, kalau dia sudah tidak memiliki motivasi untuk menjadi juara ya bagaimana lagi," kata Lius Pongoh, Kasubid Pelatnas PB PBSI di Cipayung kemarin.

Dalam beberapa kejuaraan terakhir, performa Taufik memang terjun bebas. Dia Korea Terbuka dan Hongkong Terbuka dia tidak mampu untuk sekedar menembus semifinal. Bahkan, di Hongkong Terbuka, dia mogok karena tidak puas dengan keputusan wasit saat berhadapan dengan Lin Dan (Tiongkok).

Sampai kemarin yang merupakan hari-hari terakhir persiapan ke Madrid, Taufik belum menunjukkan motivasi yang memadai untuk menggapai gelar juara. Menantu Ketua Umum KONI Pusat Agun Gumelar itu tidak ikut latihan di markas pelatnas di Cipayung. Mulyo Handoyo pelatih Taufik, hanya melatih Simon Santoso. Mulyo menyatakan bahwa motivasi Taufik di Kejuaraan Dunia 2006 memang tidak sebagus tahun lalu ketika dia menjadi juara.

"Ya, namanya sudah pernah juara tentu saja motivasinya tidak sebagus ketika belum pernah juara," katanya.

Terkait dengan predikat Taufik sebagai nonunggulan, hal itu tidak berarti peluang pemain besutannya kecil. Bahkan, menghadapi Lin Dan, Mulyo yakin Taufik bisa menang. "Kalau Lin Dan bermain seperti di Hongkong, saya yakin Taufik bisa menang. Asalkan IBF (Federasi Bulu Tangkis Internasional) bisa profesional dalam menggelar pertandingan yang fair," papar Mulyo.

Sementara itu, mantan pebulu tangkis andalan Indonesia, Icuk Sugiharto, menyayangkan sikap Taufik. Sikap malas yang ditunjukkan Taufik, menurutnya, membawa preseden buruk bagi dunia bulu tangkis tanah air.

"Indonesia memiliki peluang 50-50 untuk menjadi juara Kejuaraan Dunia pada nomor tunggal pria. Namun semuanya tergantung pada kemauan seorang Taufik Hidayat, bukan buah daris sistem latihan yang dibangun PBSI," ulas Icuk.

Kasus mogoknya Taufik lalu adalah salah satu butkinya. Taufik ikut satu kejuaraan berdasarkan kemauannya sendiri. Dia bisa bermain seenaknya tanpa tanggung jawab. "Apa pun alasannya, dia tidak seharusnya mogok di Hongkong Terbuka lalu," tandas Icuk.

PBSI tidak bisa memberikan sanksi apa-apa terhadap Taufik. Kemungkinan besar karena takut kehilangan salah satu atlet terbaik yang mereka miliki, sikap maunya sendiri tersebut dibiarkan berlarut-larut. Taufik bisa saja tetap berprestasi, meski dengan latihan yang minim berkat bakat hebat yang dia miliki. Namun, itu akan memberikan pelajaran yang buruk bagi pebulu tangkis junior. Perginya beberapa pebulu tangkis ke luar negeri salah satnya disebabkan sikap tidak tegas PB PBSI dalam menerapkan aturan. (ang)


The headline is "Don't expect too much on Taufik"


Some translations from the excepts I have highlighted:

"If Taufik wants to become champion, the chance is pretty open. However, if he doesn't have the motivation to become champion, there's nothing we can do", said Lius Pongoh yesterday.

Up to yesterday, which will be the last few days of preparation towards Madrid, Taufik has yet to show the right motivation to retain his title. Agum Gumelar's son-in-law did not even show up in the training center at Cipayung :eek: ..... Mulyo also said that Taufik's motivation in the upcoming WC is not as intense as last year when he was the champion.

Meanwhile, the former Indonesian player Icuk Sugiarto worried that Taufik's indiscipline will set a bad prescedent to the national badminton team :cool:

Icuk cited Taufik's withdrawal from the Hong Kong Open as one proof that Taufik's participation in a particular tournament is based on his own will. He can play without having any responsibility to win the tournament. "Whatever his reasons are, he SHOULD NOT have withdrawn in the Hong Kong Open", claimed Icuk.

PBSI did not punish Taufik by giving sanctions out of the worry that it could lose the best singles player in Indonesia. Therefore, PBSI allowed Taufik to behave according to his own will :cool: This will set a very bad example for the junior players. The departure of several players overseas is also caused by PBSI's indecisiveness in setting its rules!


My advice to Taufik: RETIRE EARLY!!

Terkait dengan predikat Taufik sebagai nonunggulan, hal itu tidak berarti peluang pemain besutannya kecil. Bahkan, menghadapi Lin Dan, Mulyo yakin Taufik bisa menang. "Kalau Lin Dan bermain seperti di Hongkong, saya yakin Taufik bisa menang. Asalkan IBF (Federasi Bulu Tangkis Internasional) bisa profesional dalam menggelar pertandingan yang fair," papar Mulyo

----Translation: Being a non seeded player does not necessarily mean that he has a small chance of winning the WC at this time. Mulyo was very confident that TH can defeat Lin Dan. " if LD's quality of play is like what he showed during the HO, I am very sure that TH will be able to defeat him provided that IBF is professional enough in holding a fair match," said Mulyo. :D :D AGREE!!!!

My advice to TH: Stay cool and calm ..prove it in Madrid....believe me LD, LCW, CJ are NOT sure if they all can defeat TH...:D :D :D

Terkait dengan predikat Taufik sebagai nonunggulan, hal itu tidak berarti peluang pemain besutannya kecil. Bahkan, menghadapi Lin Dan, Mulyo yakin Taufik bisa menang. "Kalau Lin Dan bermain seperti di Hongkong, saya yakin Taufik bisa menang. Asalkan IBF (Federasi Bulu Tangkis Internasional) bisa profesional dalam menggelar pertandingan yang fair," papar Mulyo

----Translation: Being a non seeded player does not necessarily mean that he has a small chance of winning the WC at this time. Mulyo was very confident that TH can defeat Lin Dan. " if LD's quality of play is like what he showed during the HO, I am very sure that TH will be able to defeat him provided that IBF is professional enough in holding a fair match," said Mulyo. :D :D AGREE!!!!
hey Indra, that was a very good translation.-i'm quite impressed..:cool: how come you never wrote or volunteer to do translation like that??..hehe, pardon me if i've never noticed you translate like that before..:p;) :)..Next time, feel free to jump in and help us translate any Indonesian-based articles..;)
BTW, from just taking a quick read, the article's main content focused on Taufik's current status and preparations for the WC(thanks badMania for the article). Which basically "proved" my earlier assumptions(in another thread) that Taufik needs to go back and re-evaluate himself whether he has the right-mindset to go and compete and defend his title in the WC. So all those talks by Taufik in the Thomas & Uber Cup of "how LD will have to play him to prove who's the real champion is" will basically become naught if Taufik is not ready to go(both mentally and physically)..:rolleyes:;)..

Taufik also said before that he has no motivation in this world champs as the world champs going to held once a year. He commented that if the world champs is once a year then world champ is only ordinary tournament.

in fact I agree with Taufik and wonder why IBF held the world champs once a year. It become an ordinary tournament

hey Indra, that was a very good translation.-i'm quite impressed..:cool: how come you never wrote or volunteer to do translation like that??..hehe, pardon me if i've never noticed you translate like that before..:p;) :)..Next time, feel free to jump in and help us translate any Indonesian-based articles..;)
BTW, from just taking a quick read, the article's main content focused on Taufik's current status and preparations for the WC(thanks badMania for the article). Which basically "proved" my earlier assumptions(in another thread) that Taufik needs to go back and re-evaluate himself whether he has the right-mindset to go and compete and defend his title in the WC. So all those talks by Taufik in the Thomas & Uber Cup of "how LD will have to play him to prove who's the real champion is" will basically become naught if Taufik is not ready to go(both mentally and physically)..:rolleyes:;)..

ctjcad:

Sure...I will be more than happy to translate Indonesian-based articles:) for BC

Not sure I can agree that Taufik can beat Lin Dan if Lin Dan play like the way he played in Hong Kong Open. Lin Dan has also improved quite a bit since last year World Championship and I don't see any improvement from Taufik so far. Anyway, why even bother to judge who is better as the fact already presented right in front, Lin Dan won so many titles this year and has beaten Taufik numerous time since WC2005. Taufik was the best player in 2005 and now is 2006, Lin Dan should be the undisputed #1, not Taufik and not Lee Chong Wei.(You know how hard it's for a die-hard Malaysian fan to say that :crying: )

I am not sure if WC will be held once a year in the future. Next year WC will be held in Kuala Lumpur but the next one will be 2009 in New Delhi. It is strange that WC held in the following manner recently which is 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009.

Not sure I can agree that Taufik can beat Lin Dan if Lin Dan play like the way he played in Hong Kong Open. Lin Dan has also improved quite a bit since last year World Championship and I don't see any improvement from Taufik so far. Anyway, why even bother to judge who is better as the fact already presented right in front, Lin Dan won so many titles this year and has beaten Taufik numerous time since WC2005. Taufik was the best player in 2005 and now is 2006, Lin Dan should be the undisputed #1, not Taufik and not Lee Chong Wei.(You know how hard it's for a die-hard Malaysian fan to say that :crying: )

Beg to differ here.HKO, as the commentator said, was a strange match where LCW played better but LD won.LD was not impressive. LCW was, stamina-wise; considering his grueling semi with CJ and the fact that TH unwittingly gifted LD with a match break by walking out.LD also played strangely in the second game.He was lethargic and behaved like he decided to drop it and moved on to the third.(and this was not towards the end where it was obvious.)Can anyone explain why? Was LD playing with pain since he always strapped below knee when facing LCW (He did not , against KJ .)
Winning many titles is no guarantee of winning the WC or OC. LD has had three years to prove that logic wrong.
TH plays his best when his motivation is highest. Humbling LD on the world stage is his greatest motivation. Assuming match fitness and barring injuries, he still has the shots to down LD. I 'm expecting a LCW vs TH final. Both are intensely motivated by LD to reach the final.

Beg to differ here.HKO, as the commentator said, was a strange match where LCW played better but LD won.LD was not impressive. LCW was, stamina-wise; considering his grueling semi with CJ and the fact that TH unwittingly gifted LD with a match break by walking out.LD also played strangely in the second game.He was lethargic and behaved like he decided to drop it and moved on to the third.(and this was not towards the end where it was obvious.)Can anyone explain why? Was LD playing with pain since he always strapped below knee when facing LCW (He did not , against KJ .)
Winning many titles is no guarantee of winning the WC or OC. LD has had three years to prove that logic wrong.
TH plays his best when his motivation is highest. Humbling LD on the world stage is his greatest motivation. Assuming match fitness and barring injuries, he still has the shots to down LD. I 'm expecting a LCW vs TH final. Both are intensely motivated by LD to reach the final.
i had already explained why in another thread, it was part of LD's game plan to take down LCW.

Taufik has his mind on other things. He now plays to entertain.. not much on winning. He has emotion from time to time. Definately PBSI is doing the wrong things for not disiplining Taufik ( sorry Taufik ). They rely on him too much and this does not give a good example to the younger players.

Taufik has his mind on other things. He now plays to entertain..

is this to entertain the spectators, or to entertain himself??

Elwin thats because theres the olympics in 2008, you cant have 2 such big tournaments a year. I believe to that the WC should be hold 2 years apart from each other. Would make people more motivated and somehow make it a bigger event to win. WC now becomes an AE just without the glory of AE.

is this to entertain the spectators, or to entertain himself??

Both...he liked the limelight. But he do it sutterly.

Taufik has his mind on other things. He now plays to entertain.. not much on winning.

I am not sure. Maybe, maybe he just saves his best play this year for Asian Games on December? You know Indonesia's chance of winning any gold medal in that event is so slim, so the hope in Taufik is huge. Maybe then he will show his best play with high motivation. *wishful thinking*
He likes to be a hero, doesn't he? heheh. As Agum Gumelar once said, when it comes to play for the honour of the country, Taufik even willing to die on court.

Duh taufik, taufik.

what does 'bisa' mean in bahasa?
does it mean 'can' or 'will'?
seems to be used in a similar context as 'akan'.
in malay, bisa means poisonous, right?

Totally agree if Taufik can regain last year's form... Otherwise he may not even get the chance to play LD.

On the other hand, if Taufik can overcome Ng Wei, CH and PG, then I guess he is in form and will have no difficulty beating LD.

if LD's quality of play is like what he showed during the HO, I am very sure that TH will be able to defeat him provided that IBF is professional enough in holding a fair match," said Mulyo. :D :D AGREE!!!!

But that also shows LD is just unable to beat LCW in 2 games now. He doesn't even have the confidence to try.
i had already explained why in another thread, it was part of LD's game plan to take down LCW.

lee chong wei must beat bao chun lai n chen jin first be4 meet lindan in final ... taufik must beat chen hong n peter gade ....

Anyway i do wish Taufik all the best in the Worlds and also Asian games.

Taufik has his mind on other things. He now plays to entertain.. not much on winning. He has emotion from time to time. Definately PBSI is doing the wrong things for not disiplining Taufik ( sorry Taufik ). They rely on him too much and this does not give a good example to the younger players.
..."you're getting warmer", ants....ah, ants is finally on the same boat, at least with me..;) :)

what does 'bisa' mean in bahasa?
does it mean 'can' or 'will'?
seems to be used in a similar context as 'akan'.
in malay, bisa means poisonous, right?
in Malay or Indonesian language??..
'bisa' means 'can' in Indonesia...'akan' means 'will'(in future tense)...they're context is close but slightly different..
'racun' or 'beracun', at least in Indonesian, means 'poisonous'...'busa' means 'foamy' or 'suds'; usually it's what comes out of a person's mouth after s/he has been poisoned..;)

I am not sure. Maybe, maybe he just saves his best play this year for Asian Games on December? You know Indonesia's chance of winning any gold medal in that event is so slim, so the hope in Taufik is huge. Maybe then he will show his best play with high motivation. *wishful thinking*
He likes to be a hero, doesn't he? heheh. As Agum Gumelar once said, when it comes to play for the honour of the country, Taufik even willing to die on court.

Duh taufik, taufik.
...Taufik can save his best play all he wants & get Gold @ this yr's Asian Games or if he wins the WC again(again, which i doubt he will be motivated), but his image and reputation has left an indelible mark with the HK fans and officials who watched him unceremoniously bailed ship...:p:o
As long as PBSI is not "in control" of the situation, or should i say as long as Taufik is still in Pelatnas, i'm afraid the outlook for INA badminton's scene will stall...What Icuk said in the article above is right on..;)

in Malay or Indonesian language??..
'bisa' means 'can' in Indonesia...'akan' means 'will'(in future tense)...they're context is close but slightly different..
'racun' or 'beracun', at least in Indonesian, means 'poisonous'...'busa' means 'foamy' or 'suds'; usually it's what comes out of a person's mouth after s/he has been poisoned..;)

i see, thanks for clearing that up.
hmmmm ... i agree with ants as well, i think that if pbsi had some better MS players, or if simon and sony had progressed further than where they are now, they might not even bother with taufik at all.

his father in law so powerfull... that's why PBSI cant do anything against Taufik. Poor PBSI.

It is ASIAN man :-( .... no in Western.... if in Western he would be already kicked out "maybe"

Definately PBSI is doing the wrong things for not disiplining Taufik ( sorry Taufik ). They rely on him too much and this does not give a good example to the younger players.
Well, PBSI is 'serba salah'. Definitely they do not want history to repeat itself. You remember, when PBSI disciplining Mia Audina in the past, the result is Mia left Indonesia altogether and Indonesia lost it's best WS player after Susi. This is rather 'traumatic'. PBSI does not want this gem, no matter how antique he is and often create headache, leave. :-)
In other words, PBSI needs Taufik more than Taufik needs PBSI. If Taufik ever decide to leave, (and if he is ever challenged it will be likely to happen), I believe there are countries that will be willingly accept him and his antique. lol

in Malay or Indonesian language??..
'bisa' means 'can' in Indonesia...'akan' means 'will'(in future tense)...they're context is close but slightly different..
'racun' or 'beracun', at least in Indonesian, means 'poisonous'...'busa' means 'foamy' or 'suds'; usually it's what comes out of a person's mouth after s/he has been poisoned..;)

Yes, and 'bisa' could also means 'poison'.
example : Ular berbisa = poisonous snake

...Taufik can save his best play all he wants & get Gold @ this yr's Asian Games or if he wins the WC again(again, which i doubt he will be motivated), but his image and reputation has left an indelible mark with the HK fans and officials who watched him unceremoniously bailed ship...:p:o

I highly doubt that he cares, after all he felt that he has been cheated in that tourney. The umpire also provoke him to WO, and as Mulyo put it, 'Taufik kok ditantang'.
To be honest, I regret his behavior in HK open but I change my mind a bit after reading jawa pos article, including what Mulyo said, about the incident.

This is one character of Taufik that makes it difficult to PBSI to discipline Taufik. Just like he did not hesitate to leave a game when he feel like to (Hongkong Open, Busan Asian Games), he also will not hesitate to leave PBSI if he feel like to.

Any suggestion?
I think things will change after he become Agum's in law. I guess I was wrong.

Well, PBSI is 'serba salah'. Definitely they do not want history to repeat itself. You remember, when PBSI disciplining Mia Audina in the past, the result is Mia left Indonesia altogether and Indonesia lost it's best WS player after Susi. This is rather 'traumatic'. PBSI does not want this gem, no matter how antique he is and often create headache, leave. :-)
In other words, PBSI needs Taufik more than Taufik needs PBSI. If Taufik ever decide to leave, (and if he is ever challenged it will be likely to happen), I believe there are countries that will be willingly accept him and his antique. lol

What did Mia do wrong??????:confused: :confused: :confused:

..."you're getting warmer", ants....ah, ants is finally on the same boat, at least with me..;) :)
Hahah even if its other players i would say the same thing as well. Just that coincidently its Taufik. I'm not against him per se, coz i know some of the reasons behind his action. But its also PBSI's wrong doings in pampering him now and even in the past.

Give u an example of what happened to someone i know. This lady pampered her daughter so much. Even when she grew up going to college and university. She's so spoit by her mom that she dont even know how to buy her own underwear. Need someone to buy for her.
Her mom trust her too much. Whatever she wants, she gets it.
When she is with her mom.. she is goody two shoes. Coz she is the ONLY Daughter. But she is different, i was told , when she was with her frens etc.
To cut the story short... now she is a REBEL and even ran away from the house. Her mom was devastated and she blame her daughter for the attitude.
First of all.. its not her daughter's fault.. its what her mom did to this lovely young lady in the past. She just spoil her dauther so much.

I think things will change after he become Agum's in law. I guess I was wrong.

Well at least someone now realised that you can't change a/the man when u get married. Hehehhe...

Well, PBSI is 'serba salah'. Definitely they do not want history to repeat itself. You remember, when PBSI disciplining Mia Audina in the past, the result is Mia left Indonesia altogether and Indonesia lost it's best WS player after Susi. This is rather 'traumatic'. PBSI does not want this gem, no matter how antique he is and often create headache, leave. :-)
In other words, PBSI needs Taufik more than Taufik needs PBSI. If Taufik ever decide to leave, (and if he is ever challenged it will be likely to happen), I believe there are countries that will be willingly accept him and his antique. lol
.."traumatic"??..soooo, PBSI has to choose and pick one...They know & realize what he's doing is not "healthy" for the organization, yet they still allow it??..If he wants to leave & go somewhere else, let him...As most likely he will repeat the same thing again for whichever club/organization he'll play for next..:rolleyes: :p
Ningtyas, don't you think it's kind of funny, as one of the citizen living there, looking at Taufik basically "controlling" PBSI??..:confused: :rolleyes:
Re Mia leaving, i don't know the history of what actually happened with her & PBSI, but all i know is that she wanted to leave, thus PBSI granted her...;)

Yes, and 'bisa' could also means 'poison'.
example : Ular berbisa = poisonous snake
appreciate for the rectification(yah, that's another meaning)...;) i got a bit befuddled typing so fast earlier, that my mind forgot all abt it..:p

Give u an example of what happened to someone i know. This lady pampered her daughter so much. Even when she grew up going to college and university. She's so spoit by her mom that she dont even know how to buy her own underwear. Need someone to buy for her.
Her mom trust her too much. Whatever she wants, she gets it.
When she is with her mom.. she is goody two shoes. Coz she is the ONLY Daughter. But she is different, i was told , when she was with her frens etc.
To cut the story short... now she is a REBEL and even ran away from the house. Her mom was devastated and she blame her daughter for the attitude.
First of all.. its not her daughter's fault.. its what her mom did to this lovely young lady in the past. She just spoil her dauther so much.
ah, this story sounds quite similar, almost too similar, to me also(i don't know what happened to your friend though)...wish to share with you now, but not here, sorry...but one of this day, if by any chance both of us can meet, i would really like to share/chat with you abt the same case....:p;)

Well, PBSI is 'serba salah'. Definitely they do not want history to repeat itself. You remember, when PBSI disciplining Mia Audina in the past, the result is Mia left Indonesia altogether and Indonesia lost it's best WS player after Susi. This is rather 'traumatic'. PBSI does not want this gem, no matter how antique he is and often create headache, leave. :-)
In other words, PBSI needs Taufik more than Taufik needs PBSI. If Taufik ever decide to leave, (and if he is ever challenged it will be likely to happen), I believe there are countries that will be willingly accept him and his antique. lol

Ningtyas, I think, Mia left INdonesia because she married Tylio Lobman, the Dutchman. I remembered that Mia still wants to play for Indonesia, but she couldn't train in Indonesia, and PBSI did not agree with that. So Mia has to leave.

I highly doubt that he cares, after all he felt that he has been cheated in that tourney. The umpire also provoke him to WO, and as Mulyo put it, 'Taufik kok ditantang'.
To be honest, I regret his behavior in HK open but I change my mind a bit after reading jawa pos article, including what Mulyo said, about the incident.

This is one character of Taufik that makes it difficult to PBSI to discipline Taufik. Just like he did not hesitate to leave a game when he feel like to (Hongkong Open, Busan Asian Games), he also will not hesitate to leave PBSI if he feel like to.
he was "cheated"??..how??...I really don't want to re-live the posts again, but I don't know if you've read the mountainous posts from the HK Open or not, but the reports from the Jawapos/Bolanews?? article has some differences(not all) with what was reported by a couple of our BC members, who were there watching the actions live..In regards to what was said/not said by umpire/referee to Taufik, we can not confirm, until we hear a clarification from the referee/umpire themselves..
The only "considerable reason(s)" for Taufik's snapping at the HK Open, it was most likely caused by the mounting frustrations he probably had from the previous week's Korea Open, which then spilled over to his incident..But then again, he totally shouldn't act like he did, considering it was still early in the match and it was the 1st questionable call..oh well..
If he really wants to leave PBSI(i mean not just threatening to do so), I want to see the day when he will do so...In other words, most likely there won't be any other clubs/organizations, "respectable" ones, unlike PBSI that will take his actions & behaviors..Besides, he's able to do so cos it's in his own country..:p :rolleyes: ;)
Any suggestion?
I think things will change after he become Agum's in law. I guess I was wrong.
well, we all, at least myself, *thought* also...confused: :rolleyes: :p

Here is my theory. You have to know, that Taufik (as once spoken by Agum), is an 'aset negara'. Like it or not, that is the fact. This is not just about badminton, this is about Indonesia's sport in the world level. As you may aware, Indonesian's sport currently is in the lowest level ever, even in South East Asia. If you have a list of our few athletes who have chance of winning medals in a multi-national sport event, Taufik Hidayat will be among the top list, if not the top 1. PBSI knows this, KONI knows this, and of course Taufik knows this.
In a way, Taufik to Indonesia is much more precious than Lin Dan to China. I mean, when Taufik won the olympic gold, it was our only one. So, what should they do with this 'aset negara'?
Aset negara yang banyak bertingkah dan bikin pusing juga.
I am so sure, there was a bitter feeling within the ranks of PBSI and KONI official (and Indonesian people as well) when Mia won the silver medal for Netherland. It could have been our medal, lol. Mia in a way is like Taufik, so independence and 'agak susah diatur'. There was several differences between Mia and PBSI then. As I recall, Mia skipped practices in pelatnas for a while in preparing her wedding. PBSI was unhappy with this and regarded Mia as indiscipline (but my guess is, they disagree that Mia should marry someone in such a young age, but of course they have no right to interfere). Mia got punishment, if I remember correctly Mia di-skors tiga bulan. Mia was deeply disappointed with this. There are many other things of course, but PBSI share the blame for Mia's decision to leave.
Mia is "aset negara yang hilang". After losing Mia, Indonesia could not afford to lose yet another 'aset negara dalam olahraga', that is Taufik Hidayat. Like it or not.


.."traumatic"??..soooo, PBSI has to choose and pick one...They know & realize what he's doing is not "healthy" for the organization, yet they still allow it??..If he wants to leave & go somewhere else, let him...As most likely he will repeat the same thing again for whichever club/organization he'll play for next..:rolleyes: :p
Ningtyas, don't you think it's kind of funny, as one of the citizen living there, looking at Taufik basically "controlling" PBSI??..:confused: :rolleyes:
Re Mia leaving, i don't know the history of what actually happened with her & PBSI, but all i know is that she wanted to leave, thus PBSI granted her...;)

I am not sure. Maybe, maybe he just saves his best play this year for Asian Games on December? You know Indonesia's chance of winning any gold medal in that event is so slim, so the hope in Taufik is huge. Maybe then he will show his best play with high motivation. *wishful thinking*
He likes to be a hero, doesn't he? heheh. As Agum Gumelar once said, when it comes to play for the honour of the country, Taufik even willing to die on court.

Duh taufik, taufik.
i'm not sure he can play in Asia Games.....It's up to IBF now...

yes ctjcad, I read that thread, post after post, all the negative comments on him. I also think that his behavior is unacceptable.
Than someone post the bolanews article (the one you translated) and I get several facts that were not mentioned before, not even by BC members who actually watched the event. The facts that; it's when Taufik about to serve, the umpire said that the point was for Lin Dan. Meaning; Taufik was not only miss the point, but it was a blow to his concentration. (For me; it raised another speculation; why? Did they do this on purpose to disturb Taufik concentration?!) If you are a player, I guess you know what I mean.
Secondly, the game was stopped for about 10 minutes. It's not like what I think previously; the linejudge corrected the mistakes, taufik protested, his protested was not accepted, than he leave.
None of BC members mentioned the facts that Taufik even (in your translation) : requested to the tournament's referee to re-start the count at 3-1. Which meant, there was no advantage nor disadvantage with the linejudge's decision which wasn't firm.
I don't know whether it's Taufik own's idea or if written in Badminton rules, but I think it's a good idea. However it was not accepted by the referee. And then the reports that the umpire challenge Taufik to WO if he could not accept the decision. In the article you translated, it's Mulyo Handoyo, Taufik's official coach and he present there, the one who said this.
Considering Taufik character, I believe this is the case. Of course the IBF need to make a hearing/clarification on this incident, the sooner the better. Yes we still need the umpire/referee's side of the story.
However, having reading that, I think while his decision is still regrettable, at least we heard Taufik's side (his coach's side to be precise) of the story. It makes a big difference. Taufik is not the only one to blame.



If he really wants to leave PBSI(i mean not just threatening to do so), I want to see the day when he will do so...In other words, most likely there won't be any other clubs/organizations, "respectable" ones, unlike PBSI that will take his actions & behaviors..Besides, he's able to do so cos it's in his own country..:p :rolleyes: ;)
You forgot, ctjcad, Taufik did leave for a while to Singapore. And he seriously considered to join SBA, and I believe the SBA would like to accept him then. Remember when the SBA registered Taufik to Swiss open 2002 etc, and then PBSI prevented this by reporting to IBF that there was a dispute between SBA and PBSI. It took a huge effort on PBSI's part to persuade Taufik to return to Indonesia. PBSI even 'mengalah', it allowed Taufik to be coached by Mulyo again as he wished. When we recall, the then PBSI's chairman would say that everything was for Taufik's sake, while I believe that the truth is, for Indonesian badminton's sake.
Remember that when Taufik won the Athene gold medal, Sutiyoso did give the credit to Chairul Tanjung's leadership of PBSI; who success in their effort to persuade Taufik to return to Indonesia.

i'm not sure he can play in Asia Games.....It's up to IBF now...
Why not? I hope he can. It's better he skip this coming WC than not taking part on the Asian Games. :-)

please read bolanews.com or kompas.com for better trusted news.

jawa pos often 'blows' the news :)... and also their grammar of indonesia language is very bad. i used to read jawa pos newspaper...

indra, would u mind translating the news below

from bolanews :

Pemain Siap, Pengurus Tidak

Menjelang berangkat ke Kejuaraan Dunia XV di Madrid, Rabu (13/9), pemain Pelatnas Cipayung merasa resah. “Kami sih selalu siap, namun tanya pengurus, apa mereka juga sudah siap?” tutur Taufik Hidayat, seolah mewakili rekan yang lain.

Sebagai pemain senior, Taufik perlu menyampaikan aspirasi yang berembus di Pelatnas Cipayung. Belakangan ini, pebulutangkis tidak tenang. Komunikasi dengan pengurus juga tidak harmonis. Ada akses yang tersumbat.

“Anak-anak resah. Tak hanya soal uang kontrak, tetapi juga kebijakan pengurus menyangkut program yang tidak tegas,” jelas Taufik.

Menyangkut uang kontrak kolektif dengan Yonex, misalnya, penghasilan pemain makin berkurang dibanding yang diterima sebelumnya. Pemain tidak paham acuan yang dipakai pengurus untuk menentukan besaran uang kontrak yang diterima setiap tiga bulan.

“Besaran uang kontrak kolektif itu berdasar apa? Berdasar peringkat atau prestasi? Atau ada kriteria lain? Ini yang hingga kini belum dijelaskan pengurus,” sebut peraih medali emas Olimpiade Athena 2004 itu.

Yang menambah runyam suasana adalah setiap hal itu ditanyakan kepada pengurus, jawaban yang didapat selalu dipingpong. Pengurus tidak bisa memberikan jawaban dengan cepat. Selalu akan ditanyakan kepada pengurus di atasnya.

“Setiap ditanyakan, pengurus selalu saling lempar tanggung jawab. Kalau begini terus, bagaimana pemain bisa tenang?” sebut Taufik saat ditemui di Pelatnas Cipayung, Jakarta Timur, Jumat ((8/9) petang.

Sayang, hingga Minggu (10/9) tengah malam, Kasubdit Pelatnas PBSI, Lius Pongoh, tidak berhasil dimintai konfirmasi. Telepon selulernya tidak aktif.

Semoga persoalan ini tak mengganggu kinerja pemain di Madrid, 18-24 September. Bagaimana, PBSI? (bhw)

looks like the management in pelatnas need to monitored more if the players aren't satisfied.
or is this just taufik's view?

they will blame each other i think ..... better support men double n mix double

indra, would u mind translating the news below

from bolanews :

Pemain Siap, Pengurus Tidak

looks like the management in pelatnas need to monitored more if the players aren't satisfied.
or is this just taufik's view?
first off, thanks for sharing the info, taufik-ist..:)
I will let indra go ahead and translate this for us, but from what i just read, the main content/focus of the article goes back to the same old problem within PBSI(and in a way re-lived last yr's or 2 yrs' ago incident involving Taufik also), which is : money...:rolleyes::p:(

Here is my theory. You have to know, that Taufik (as once spoken by Agum), is an 'aset negara'. Like it or not, that is the fact. This is not just about badminton, this is about Indonesia's sport in the world level. As you may aware, Indonesian's sport currently is in the lowest level ever, even in South East Asia. If you have a list of our few athletes who have chance of winning medals in a multi-national sport event, Taufik Hidayat will be among the top list, if not the top 1. PBSI knows this, KONI knows this, and of course Taufik knows this.
In a way, Taufik to Indonesia is much more precious than Lin Dan to China. I mean, when Taufik won the olympic gold, it was our only one. So, what should they do with this 'aset negara'?
Aset negara yang banyak bertingkah dan bikin pusing juga.
I am so sure, there was a bitter feeling within the ranks of PBSI and KONI official (and Indonesian people as well) when Mia won the silver medal for Netherland. It could have been our medal, lol. Mia in a way is like Taufik, so independence and 'agak susah diatur'. There was several differences between Mia and PBSI then. As I recall, Mia skipped practices in pelatnas for a while in preparing her wedding. PBSI was unhappy with this and regarded Mia as indiscipline (but my guess is, they disagree that Mia should marry someone in such a young age, but of course they have no right to interfere). Mia got punishment, if I remember correctly Mia di-skors tiga bulan. Mia was deeply disappointed with this. There are many other things of course, but PBSI share the blame for Mia's decision to leave.
Mia is "aset negara yang hilang". After losing Mia, Indonesia could not afford to lose yet another 'aset negara dalam olahraga', that is Taufik Hidayat. Like it or not.
thanks for your input Ningtyas..;)
From what i can summed up, now you/we all can see the difference between the current status of CHN's program vs. INA's program. I'm quite sure CHN doesn't regard or treat their player(s) as the "only or main asset" to them. I'm pretty sure they treat all their players EQUALLY. We haven't seen their players acting like what Taufik has acted, have we??..Does Zhang Ning or XXF or even LD or their predecessor(s) act like what Taufik has been and is doing??..In a way, none of them will consider themselves as "higher above anyone else".
That's why you see so many continuous up and comers playing for them, talents coming out almost non-stop. Unlike INA/PBSI which basically has to rely on Taufik for the past 5-6 yrs.
Finance could be another important reason for that.
As far as the circumstance with Mia, again, i kinda know what you've shared with us(at least some of us knew that already), but we'll never know the *real* story from both sides. Yes, PBSI might have gone a bit too far with their requirements/decision, but i also understand Mia's circumstances/decision. I think at the end, for whatever reason(s) there is/are, both parties basically agreed with each one's decisions.
Yes, i also wonder where is PBSI's integrity??..BTW, i know PBSI "learned" their mistakes from that Mia incident, but don't you think it's kind of ironic they can do so to Mia but not Taufik??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p

that might be because mia was not going out with the son of someone important to pbsi ...

yes ctjcad, I read that thread, post after post, all the negative comments on him. I also think that his behavior is unacceptable.
Than someone post the bolanews article (the one you translated) and I get several facts that were not mentioned before, not even by BC members who actually watched the event. The facts that; it's when Taufik about to serve, the umpire said that the point was for Lin Dan. Meaning; Taufik was not only miss the point, but it was a blow to his concentration. (For me; it raised another speculation; why? Did they do this on purpose to disturb Taufik concentration?!) If you are a player, I guess you know what I mean.
Secondly, the game was stopped for about 10 minutes. It's not like what I think previously; the linejudge corrected the mistakes, taufik protested, his protested was not accepted, than he leave.
None of BC members mentioned the facts that Taufik even (in your translation) : requested to the tournament's referee to re-start the count at 3-1. Which meant, there was no advantage nor disadvantage with the linejudge's decision which wasn't firm.
I don't know whether it's Taufik own's idea or if written in Badminton rules, but I think it's a good idea. However it was not accepted by the referee. And then the reports that the umpire challenge Taufik to WO if he could not accept the decision. In the article you translated, it's Mulyo Handoyo, Taufik's official coach and he present there, the one who said this.
Considering Taufik character, I believe this is the case. Of course the IBF need to make a hearing/clarification on this incident, the sooner the better. Yes we still need the umpire/referee's side of the story.
However, having reading that, I think while his decision is still regrettable, at least we heard Taufik's side (his coach's side to be precise) of the story. It makes a big difference. Taufik is not the only one to blame.regarding this matter, it's still up in the air as you and us know the report by Jawapos or bolanews, rendered a slightly different story to what some of us BC members have shared. So, the only way to clear this is for the umpire/referee side to share their own account of what happened. Taufik and his camp did so already.
You forgot, ctjcad, Taufik did leave for a while to Singapore. And he seriously considered to join SBA, and I believe the SBA would like to accept him then. Remember when the SBA registered Taufik to Swiss open 2002 etc, and then PBSI prevented this by reporting to IBF that there was a dispute between SBA and PBSI. It took a huge effort on PBSI's part to persuade Taufik to return to Indonesia. PBSI even 'mengalah', it allowed Taufik to be coached by Mulyo again as he wished. When we recall, the then PBSI's chairman would say that everything was for Taufik's sake, while I believe that the truth is, for Indonesian badminton's sake.
Remember that when Taufik won the Athene gold medal, Sutiyoso did give the credit to Chairul Tanjung's leadership of PBSI; who success in their effort to persuade Taufik to return to Indonesia.
..i concur with you there, in regards to the statement highlighted in bold.
Yes, i remember his move to S'pore, but it was done more like a "threat". That's the thing, if Taufik really wants to bail ship and move somewhere else, he should do so without leaving any threats or reservations. Don't look back. And same thing with PBSI's stance also. Just like when they did with Mia.
If Taufik wants to leave (or retire), let him do so and play somewhere else; without any regrets etc. from him or the other party.
In a way, by doing so, are they(PBSI) really that desperate to lose Taufik?? Can't they believe in what they can do themselves??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)
PBSI has to set down the rules and precedence once and for all, so the new players coming in, really know who's in charge..;):cool:

Why not? I hope he can. It's better he skip this coming WC than not taking part on the Asian Games. :-)
Didn't they say they may ban him from playing for months?
I hope not, wish he will retain his AG title

that might be because mia was not going out with the son of someone important to pbsi ...also in an islamic country, women are valued less than men.

thanks for your input [I]Ningtyas[/IBTW, i know PBSI "learned" their mistakes from that Mia incident, but don't you think it's kind of ironic they can do so to Mia but not Taufik??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p
maybe they learned only 5% lesson:p
after mia left, didn't more indo players left afterward like ardy, tony g, rexy, halim, maniky
The problem with pbsi is they r too greedy, wouldn't want to share the wealth with the players. Of course, exception is taufik, that's why taufik try so hard to win OC and WC because he become an irreplaceable goose who can lay golden eggs for pbsi. The marriage to a certain person provide the added security of being irreplaceable and untouchable.

maybe they learned only 5% lesson:p
after mia left, didn't more indo players left afterward like ardy, tony g, rexy, halim, maniky
The problem with pbsi is they r too greedy, wouldn't want to share the wealth with the players. Of course, exception is taufik, that's why taufik try so hard to win OC and WC because he become an irreplaceable goose who can lay golden eggs for pbsi. The marriage to a certain person provided the added security of being irreplaceable.
hmm, i think if Taufik wants to leave/quit PBSI, he should leave like those people mentioned above...Not by going over to S'pore and later came back after being "begged"(with whatever clauses) by PBSI..:rolleyes:
As for "PBSI being too greedy", well, i've no comment. But it sure is one factor that has crossed a lot of mind. His "added security" of being married to a "certain powerful person" has both short & long term advantage(s) and disadvantage(s), which is a totally different topic to talk abt..:rolleyes: ;)

indra, would u mind translating the news below

from bolanews :

Pemain Siap, Pengurus Tidak

Menjelang berangkat ke Kejuaraan Dunia XV di Madrid, Rabu (13/9), pemain Pelatnas Cipayung merasa resah. “Kami sih selalu siap, namun tanya pengurus, apa mereka juga sudah siap?” tutur Taufik Hidayat, seolah mewakili rekan yang lain.

Sebagai pemain senior, Taufik perlu menyampaikan aspirasi yang berembus di Pelatnas Cipayung. Belakangan ini, pebulutangkis tidak tenang. Komunikasi dengan pengurus juga tidak harmonis. Ada akses yang tersumbat.

“Anak-anak resah. Tak hanya soal uang kontrak, tetapi juga kebijakan pengurus menyangkut program yang tidak tegas,” jelas Taufik.

Menyangkut uang kontrak kolektif dengan Yonex, misalnya, penghasilan pemain makin berkurang dibanding yang diterima sebelumnya. Pemain tidak paham acuan yang dipakai pengurus untuk menentukan besaran uang kontrak yang diterima setiap tiga bulan.

“Besaran uang kontrak kolektif itu berdasar apa? Berdasar peringkat atau prestasi? Atau ada kriteria lain? Ini yang hingga kini belum dijelaskan pengurus,” sebut peraih medali emas Olimpiade Athena 2004 itu.

Yang menambah runyam suasana adalah setiap hal itu ditanyakan kepada pengurus, jawaban yang didapat selalu dipingpong. Pengurus tidak bisa memberikan jawaban dengan cepat. Selalu akan ditanyakan kepada pengurus di atasnya.

“Setiap ditanyakan, pengurus selalu saling lempar tanggung jawab. Kalau begini terus, bagaimana pemain bisa tenang?” sebut Taufik saat ditemui di Pelatnas Cipayung, Jakarta Timur, Jumat ((8/9) petang.

Sayang, hingga Minggu (10/9) tengah malam, Kasubdit Pelatnas PBSI, Lius Pongoh, tidak berhasil dimintai konfirmasi. Telepon selulernya tidak aktif.

Semoga persoalan ini tak mengganggu kinerja pemain di Madrid, 18-24 September. Bagaimana, PBSI? (bhw)

TRANSLATION
Players Ready, Management [PBSI] Not

The World Championships XV is only a matter of days, however players of Pelatnas Cipayung (Indonesian Badminton Training Center) still feel dissatisfied and upset. “We are always ready...please go and ask the management [of PBSI] if they are ready?” said Taufik Hidayat, as if representing other players .

As a senior player at Cipayung, Taufik felt it necessary to raise this issue, Recently Pelatnas players have not felt satisfied/upset as the communication between players and the management has not been good.

“Players are not happy, not only because of contract money but also because of the PBSI's unclear policy regarding the program ,” said Taufik.

With regard to the collective contract with Yonex, for example, Players' incomes have decreased compared to what they received in the past. They [players] do not understand the reference used by the management in determining how much they receive quarterly .

“On what basis is the collective contract money given to each player? Based on rankings or achievements? or any other criteria? The management has not been able to explain this matter up to present ,” said Taufik .

To make things worse, everytime this issue is raised/asked to the management, the answer is always not clear. The management has been unable to give satisfactory answer, saying that the matter will be forwarded to the top managament .

“Everytime this matter is conveyed to the management, no one [in the management] is able to take this responsibility. If this matter continues, how can we [players] play well ?” said Taufik when interviewed at Pelatnas Cipayung, Jakarta, Friday ((8/9) .

Unfortunately, up to Sunday 10/9), head of PBSI's training center,Lius Pongoh, had not been available for confirming comment. His cell phone was off.

Hopefully, this matter will not disturb the players' concentration in Madrid, 18-24 September. Your response, PBSI? (bhw)

I'm quite sure CHN doesn't regard or treat their player(s) as the "only or main asset" to them. I'm pretty sure they treat all their players EQUALLY. We haven't seen their players acting like what Taufik has acted, have we??

You forgot, China has so many talented players. While in Indonesia, it is more limited. World class single player like Mia and Taufik are so rare in their respective time.
Remember years ago when badminton was not yet an Olympic sport, PBSI also would not tolerate such a behavior from player. A good and talented player like Iie Sumirat was not so long with PBSI bcoz PBS regarded him as 'banyak ulah'.

I only see the change in PBSI action to player only after badminton become an olympic sport and for Indonesia badminton is the only sport in which we can win olympic medal. This is a different story with China, don't you see? They have many world-class players in almost all kind of sports, not only rely on badminton.
Cuma badminton yang bisa mengangkat nama Indonesia di mata olahraga dunia.

BTW, i know PBSI "learned" their mistakes from that Mia incident, but don't you think it's kind of ironic they can do so to Mia but not Taufik??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p

Hey, PBSI did learn from their mistakes from Mia. But the lesson is; IMO; that when dealing with world-class players that are capable to win Olympic gold or silver medals; PBSI priority should not to make them highly discipline, but to make sure that when they do win the olympic medals; they win it for Indonesia. Heheh. PBSI's mistake with Mia should not be repeated again.

maybe they learned only 5% lesson:p
after mia left, didn't more indo players left afterward like ardy, tony g, rexy, halim, maniky
The problem with pbsi is they r too greedy, wouldn't want to share the wealth with the players. Of course, exception is taufik, that's why taufik try so hard to win OC and WC because he become an irreplaceable goose who can lay golden eggs for pbsi. The marriage to a certain person provide the added security of being irreplaceable and untouchable.
hey, u hit the spot right on. when i was in indonesia, my coach told me lots of "backstage" stuffs that never appear in the news

TRANSLATION
Players Ready, Management [PBSI] Not

The World Championships XV is only a matter of days, however players of Pelatnas Cipayung (Indonesian Badminton Training Center) still feel dissatisfied and upset. “We are always ready...please go and ask the management [of PBSI] if they are ready?” said Taufik Hidayat, as if representing other players .

As a senior player at Cipayung, Taufik felt it necessary to raise this issue, Recently Pelatnas players have not felt satisfied/upset as the communication between players and the management has not been good.

“Players are not happy, not only because of contract money but also because of the PBSI's unclear policy regarding the program ,” said Taufik.

With regard to the collective contract with Yonex, for example, Players' incomes have decreased compared to what they received in the past. They [players] do not understand the reference used by the management in determining how much they receive quarterly .

“On what basis is the collective contract money given to each player? Based on rankings or achievements? or any other criteria? The management has not been able to explain this matter up to present ,” said Taufik .

To make things worse, everytime this issue is raised/asked to the management, the answer is always not clear. The management has been unable to give satisfactory answer, saying that the matter will be forwarded to the top managament .

“Everytime this matter is conveyed to the management, no one [in the management] is able to take this responsibility. If this matter continues, how can we [players] play well ?” said Taufik when interviewed at Pelatnas Cipayung, Jakarta, Friday ((8/9) .

Unfortunately, up to Sunday 10/9), head of PBSI's training center,Lius Pongoh, had not been available for confirming comment. His cell phone was off.

Hopefully, this matter will not disturb the players' concentration in Madrid, 18-24 September. Your response, PBSI? (bhw)
hey indra, thank you for the translation;)

If Taufik wants to leave (or retire), let him do so and play somewhere else; without any regrets etc. from him or the other party.
That would be impossible. If they let Taufik go, and then they see taufik win the gold medal for other country; it's impossible not to feel regret. There will also be a great public pressure.
Maybe it is hard to accept his attitude, but when Taufik won the gold medal, and he makes 'Indonesia Raya' heard to world, then he was forgiven.

In a way, by doing so, are they(PBSI) really that desperate to lose Taufik??
Exactly. Desperate is the word. I believe PBSI do not like it, tapi terpaksa. Yah mau bagaimana lagi?

PBSI has to set down the rules and precedence once and for all, so the new players coming in, really know who's in charge..;):cool:
Hm. It's easier said than done. Especially for Indonesia, when badminton is the only reliable sport to win olympic medals. Fortunately players like Taufik is a rare case.
It's ironic though, that the person who 'discover' Taufik's great talents and become Taufik first coach was Iie Sumirat. Himself a controversial player.

after mia left, didn't more indo players left afterward like ardy, tony g, rexy, halim, maniky

Well, I do not see the players you mentioned above, save mia, winning any olympic medals for other countries.

Olympic is the keyword, in my opinion.

You forgot, China has so many talented players. While in Indonesia, it is more limited. World class single player like Mia and Taufik are so rare in their respective time.
Remember years ago when badminton was not yet an Olympic sport, PBSI also would not tolerate such a behavior from player. A good and talented player like Iie Sumirat was not so long with PBSI bcoz PBS regarded him as 'banyak ulah'.
I understand CHN has much more or equal the no. of talented players than probably all of the players combined from the top badminton countries..I'm sure INA has tons of talented players also, don't you agree?? But still that doesn't warrant an organization to treat certain players "above" the others...
Which you brought up an example of PBSI's past "iron-handed rule"..BTW, what happened to that approach??..:rolleyes:
I only see the change in PBSI action to player only after badminton become an olympic sport and for Indonesia badminton is the only sport in which we can win olympic medal. This is a different story with China, don't you see? They have many world-class players in almost all kind of sports, not only rely on badminton.
Cuma badminton yang bisa mengangkat nama Indonesia di mata olahraga dunia.
Yes, i understand that badminton is arguably the lone Olympic sport Indonesia can be proud of, but then looking at what is/has been going on with PBSI and Taufik and those numerous players/personnels that already left, it makes us wonder if it's really "legit". I know most folks don't know or don't really care what's going on, but for us who has followed the history since will wonder..:rolleyes: ;)
Hey, PBSI did learn from their mistakes from Mia. But the lesson is; IMO; that when dealing with world-class players that are capable to win Olympic gold or silver medals; PBSI priority should not to make them highly discipline, but to make sure that when they do win the olympic medals; they win it for Indonesia. Heheh. PBSI's mistake with Mia should not be repeated again.
hmm, i understand where you're coming from, but IMO, personally that's the wrong approach...My point is:I know you(and the rest of the INA people) feel proud and happy when Taufik won the OC and WC with INA on the back of his tees. But how would you feel as an INA citizen, when you see Taufik act like he did recently(not to mention his past incidents)?? Remember, Taufik and the players participating not only carry their own name but also represent the name of the country they are playing for on the back of their tees. So unless they don't want to be associated with the country that's written on it, then they don't have to put the country's name on their tees. Also, the players/coaches/teams representing are playing under IBF, as a professional sports sanctioning body.

BTW, not a big deal, but has Taufik or PBSI offered some sort of apology(formal or informal) with what happened in the HK Open yet(in any news or medias)??..:rolleyes: ;)

That would be impossible. If they let Taufik go, and then they see taufik win the gold medal for other country; it's impossible not to feel regret. There will also be a great public pressure.
Maybe it is hard to accept his attitude, but when Taufik won the gold medal, and he makes 'Indonesia Raya' heard to world, then he was forgiven.
hmm, i'm not trying to "judge" but why would they feel regretful if they are standing up and defending what is the right thing to do??..I'm sure you know what is the right thing to do??;)
Exactly. Desperate is the word. I believe PBSI do not like it, tapi terpaksa. Yah mau bagaimana lagi?
Sometimes it's better to bite the bullet now rather than be embarrassed later..I'm wondering, what if at that time, instead of going and "beggin" Taufik to come back, PBSI decided to say "heck with Taufik, let's move on and start from scratch again and find & develop our new players the correct way"...:rolleyes: ;)
Hm. It's easier said than done. Especially for Indonesia, when badminton is the only reliable sport to win olympic medals. Fortunately players like Taufik is a rare case.
It's ironic though, that the person who 'discover' Taufik's great talents and become Taufik first coach was Iie Sumirat. Himself a controversial player.
I understand..that's why in my earlier post i said, "maybe Taufik can do all these things cos he's in Indonesia. If he's in another country, who knows what he can do. And now with a "powerful" daddy-in-law on his side, he basically can get away with anything..;)

BTW, not a big deal, but has Taufik or PBSI offered some sort of apology(formal or informal) with what happened in the HK Open yet(in any news or medias)??..:rolleyes: ;)

This is what I can find. PBSI wants to have a talk with IBF on this matter. I do not know any newer information.
http://www.metrotvnews.com/berita.asp?id=23672

Maybe it is hard to accept his attitude, but when Taufik won the gold medal, and he makes 'Indonesia Raya' heard to world, then he was forgiven.

Exactly. Desperate is the word. I believe PBSI do not like it, tapi terpaksa. Yah mau bagaimana lagi?


I like the way you put it :D Plus one more sentence which you have written in the earlier post "asset negara yg banyak tingkah"...a very accurate depiction indeed! :D

In reality, PBSI CAN NOT subject Taufik to the same treatment as what it has given to Mia Audina, precisely because PBSI is fearful of making another mistake, ie: letting other countries win medals at the Olympics. Therefore, the current stand is to "mengalah". There's absolutely nothing PBSI can do except to defend him despite the negative controversy that Taufik brought during the HK Open!

If it happened to other players like Sony or Simon, they could even have been sanctioned by being grounded at Cipayung for 2-3 mths, like what Luluk/Alvent and Kido/Hendra got when they performed poorly in the Singapore Open 2006.

I like the way you put it :D Plus one more sentence which you have written in the earlier post "asset negara yg banyak tingkah"...a very accurate depiction indeed! :D

In reality, PBSI CAN NOT subject Taufik to the same treatment as what it has given to Mia Audina, precisely because PBSI is fearful of making another mistake, ie: letting other countries win medals at the Olympics. Therefore, the current stand is to "mengalah". There's absolutely nothing PBSI can do except to defend him despite the negative controversy that Taufik brought during the HK Open!

If it happened to other players like Sony or Simon, they could even have been sanctioned by being grounded at Cipayung for 2-3 mths, like what Luluk/Alvent and Kido/Hendra got when they performed poorly in the Singapore Open 2006.
:D :D
Thanks, badmania.
I don't believe I have written so many things just to try to explain my thoughts on "Why PBSI finds it difficult to discipline Taufik."
I think I fail, though. :D So it's glad to see that you get my point.
Sejelek apa pun Taufik, kita tidak rela kalau dia membela negara lain.

This is what I can find. PBSI wants to have a talk with IBF on this matter. I do not know any newer information.
http://www.metrotvnews.com/berita.asp?id=23672

TRANSLATION
Metrotvnews.com, Jakarta: PBSI (Indonesian Badminton Association) considered the walk-out action taken by Taufik Hidayat during the last HO reasonable and understandable. PBSI even planned to talk about it at the next IBF meeting . This was expressed by Secretary General of PB PBSI M.F. Siregar in Jakarta, Wednesday (6/9).

Taufik Hidayat walked off the court at the QF when playing LD. As the match went on for 3 minutes, a linelady made a very controversial decision against TH. Taufik protested and asked the umpire to change his decision, to no avail. Finally, he decided to walk off the court.

Siregar said that PBSI had received a confirming statement on why TH abandoned the court. Taufik said that he was provoked by the umpire statement requesting him to leave the court if TH did not accept the umpire's decision. Therefore, Siregar said that PBSI deemed TH's action understanble . Previously, TH's action had received strong criticisms from many parties including the Chinese media, accusing his action of being childish .

I think PBSI was only too glad to find an easy way out. All sports are governed by rules and must be rules-based, otherwise they are nothing but a free-for-all. Real sportsmen must learn to accept decisions, whether good or bad. There are provisions to review bad decisions and actions taken to drop the umpires or linesmen involved in those bad decisions. To be put off by a bad decision is a player's weakness, or sometimes a way to 'chicken' out when he finds his or her emotions have taken possession of his mind.

TRANSLATION
Metrotvnews.com, Jakarta: PBSI (Indonesian Badminton Association) considered the walk-out action taken by Taufik Hidayat during the last HO reasonable and understandable. PBSI even planned to talk about it at the next IBF meeting . This was expressed by Secretary General of PB PBSI M.F. Siregar in Jakarta, Wednesday (6/9).

Taufik Hidayat walked off the court at the QF when playing LD. As the match went on for 3 minutes, a linelady made a very controversial decision against TH. Taufik protested and asked the umpire to change his decision, to no avail. Finally, he decided to walk off the court.

Siregar said that PBSI had received a confirming statement on why TH abandoned the court. Taufik said that he was provoked by the umpire statement requesting him to leave the court if TH did not accept the umpire's decision. Therefore, Siregar said that PBSI deemed TH's action understanble . Previously, TH's action had received strong criticisms from many parties including the Chinese media, accusing his action of being childish .

Err, pardon my igorance, but could anyone answer this please...
Of course IBF can punish any players (fined, banned from playing etc). But can IBF punish any umpire/referee? How?

PONTING APOLOGISES FOR DISSENT AGAINST UMPIRE

Reported in The Star of Malaysia today on the punishment meted out to Australian cricket captain Ricky Ponting:

Australian captain Ricky Ponting has apologised for a "serious error of judgement" after confronting umpire Asad Rauf over a wide delivery in their one-day match against the West Indies here (KL?).

Ponting was fined his entire match fee for breaching the ICC Code of Conduct during his country's 78-run victory in the first DLF Cup match on Tuesday.

He was found guilty of "showing dissent at an umpire's decision" by ICC match referee Chris Broad in a hearing after play concluded.

"Having had the opportunity to sleep on the incident, I know I made a serious error of judgement," Ponting said in a statement.

"I regret the approach I made to umpire Asad Rauf and realise I shouldn't have behaved in the way I did."

Ponting responded to Asad's decision to call a wide in the 33rd over off Shane Watson's bowling by walking up to him from his fielding position to query the decision.

"A captain should set the example for his players to follow and it is not acceptable for any player, let alone a captain, to question an umpire's decision" said Broad.

Ponting said he would personally say sorry to Asad and had called Cricket Australia's acting chief executive Michael Brown to apologise.

"International cricket matches are passionate affairs but as the captain of the Australian cricket team, I understand it is my responsibility to uphold the spirit of the game and I know that through my actions I let myself and my team down," he said.

But is badminton different from cricket and should be treated 'specially"? Is TH any different from Ricky Ponting?

PONTING APOLOGISES FOR DISSENT AGAINST UMPIRE

Reported in The Star of Malaysia today on the punishment meted out to Australian cricket captain Ricky Ponting:

Australian captain Ricky Ponting has apologised for a "serious error of judgement" after confronting umpire Asad Rauf over a wide delivery in their one-day match against the West Indies here (KL?).

Ponting was fined his entire match fee for breaching the ICC Code of Conduct during his country's 78-run victory in the first DLF Cup match on Tuesday.

He was found guilty of "showing dissent at an umpire's decision" by ICC match referee Chris Broad in a hearing after play concluded.

"Having had the opportunity to sleep on the incident, I know I made a serious error of judgement," Ponting said in a statement.

"I regret the approach I made to umpire Asad Rauf and realise I shouldn't have behaved in the way I did."

Ponting responded to Asad's decision to call a wide in the 33rd over off Shane Watson's bowling by walking up to him from his fielding position to query the decision.

"A captain should set the example for his players to follow and it is not acceptable for any player, let alone a captain, to question an umpire's decision" said Broad.

Ponting said he would personally say sorry to Asad and had called Cricket Australia's acting chief executive Michael Brown to apologise.

"International cricket matches are passionate affairs but as the captain of the Australian cricket team, I understand it is my responsibility to uphold the spirit of the game and I know that through my actions I let myself and my team down," he said.

But is badminton different from cricket and should be treated 'specially"? Is TH any different from Ricky Ponting?

hmmm, ponting was fined by its sports association plus he had to apologize for something far less than taufik's action. Hmmm.

I think PBSI was only too glad to find an easy way out. All sports are governed by rules and must be rules-based, otherwise they are nothing but a free-for-all. Real sportsmen must learn to accept decisions, whether good or bad. There are provisions to review bad decisions and actions taken to drop the umpires or linesmen involved in those bad decisions. To be put off by a bad decision is a player's weakness, or sometimes a way to 'chicken' out when he finds his or her emotions have taken possession of his mind.
ahh, finally! after all this waiting, Mr. taneepak has voiced his opinion on this Taufik matter(sorry if i've missed any of your post(s) earlier on this)...;) :cool: :)

please read bolanews.com or kompas.com for better trusted news.
jawa pos often 'blows' the news :)... and also their grammar of indonesia language is very bad. i used to read jawa pos newspaper...

I do really agree with you ......... I also do not understand why Jawa Pos is now as like a gossip newspaper ......... last time they were a biggest newspaper outside of Jakarta area, but now not included in the top 10 of Indonesia Newspaper ..........

also in an islamic country, women are valued less than men.

don't go to 'religion' area :)

indonesia is a modern (moderat) islamic country, women and men are equal, we have ever had a woman president, Megawati.

I have been following this thread for the past few days, a lot of interesting comments from all of you. But hey, every incidents have it's story and it always takes 2 hands to clap. Let's hope Taufik can move on and concentrate in WC.

The good news from the article is that Simon is train under Mulyo, which I hope he can be the underdog to win WC. (Did he participate by the way?) Just like Ronald Susilo a couple years back, improved so much under his guidance, and eventually won Japan Open and got into Olympic QF.

The good news from the article is that Simon is train under Mulyo, which I hope he can be the underdog to win WC. (Did he participate by the way?) Just like Ronald Susilo a couple years back, improved so much under his guidance, and eventually won Japan Open and got into Olympic QF.
As far as i know, i don't see Simon's name in the list of players who are going to Spain. I believe the 11 men&women INA contingent has left already, just yesterday(Wed.) to be exact. If none are excluded, the players are:
-Alvent Y./Luluk H.
-Markis K./Hendra S.
-Francisca R.
-Nova W./Lilyana N.
-Jo N./Gresya P.
-Sony DK.
-Taufik H.

Both...he liked the limelight. But he do it sutterly.

You understand him pretty well. :cool:

Taufik probably didn't had any will to play 100% of his ability again. This year not only he lost to Lin Dan and LCW, but he also lost to Bonsak, Lee Hyun Il twice! and of course Shato Shoji in TC QF 2006.

I predict that he will go to QF beat Chen Hong but will lost to much improved Peter Gade.

I believe if Taufik is not motivated, he will not be able to beat CH. He may even lose to Ng Wei in the first round. But if he beats NW and CH, I think it is very likely that he will beat PG too. And if he indeed get past PG, I bet he will be the champion again.

In fact Taufik's draw is not that bad.

1. If he is motivated, the match against NW will be a perfect warming up.

2. Then he will be technically well-prepared through playing CH, who has the best racket skill. Taufik has no technical advantage over CH, he beated CH many times just because he is not technically inferior and much smarter.

3. Then playing PG will sharpen Taufik's mind. Technique-wise PG is not as good as CH but PG is very very clever and experienced. If Taufik is not determined and sharp, he will definitely lose to PG.

4. On the other hand, Taufik would definitely peak after beating CH and PG (of course, if he can). Then I don't think LD or LCW or CJ can beat him. LCW, being the most complete player among the 3, has biggest chance though.

Taufik probably didn't had any will to play 100% of his ability again. This year not only he lost to Lin Dan and LCW, but he also lost to Bonsak, Lee Hyun Il twice! and of course Shato Shoji in TC QF 2006.

I predict that he will go to QF beat Chen Hong but will lost to much improved Peter Gade.

2. Then he will be technically well-prepared through playing CH, who has the best racket skill. Taufik has no technical advantage over CH, he beated CH many times just because he is not technically inferior and much smarter.

3. Then playing PG will sharpen Taufik's mind. Technique-wise PG is not as good as CH but PG is very very clever and experienced. If Taufik is not determined and sharp, he will definitely lose to PG.

4. On the other hand, Taufik would definitely peak after beating CH and PG (of course, if he can). Then I don't think LD or LCW or CJ can beat him. LCW, being the most complete player among the 3, has biggest chance though.
Sorry... I have to disagree with the 3 points stated above
CH does not have the best racket skill.. he attempt far too many dodgy shots and his skills at the net is definatly inferior compare to Taufik and PG..:o
And yes LCW is the most complete players amongst the 3, however I personally think he still lacking in mental strength! But hopefully he will prove me wrong and emerge as the eventual winner!

u guys forgot, taufik is a slow starter and nss favors early starter. LOok at HKO open with ld, taufik was down 1-4 (1-3 if u believe taufik) before he bailed. Let see how strong his mental strength would be when he is down,say, 3-7 or 7-13

its GREAT!!!! Taufik Hidayat is not High Ranked Palyer maybe now in 18th or 20th. and also as unseeded player i this Championship(eventhough any 16 players taht are seeded by IBF), But everyone discuss 'bout this guy. :confused:

Taufik is Great:) hopefully he will play Great also in this Championship. and 'bout the behaviour of Taufik, I can say ITS OK!!;) you can see many sportstar has special or controversial behaviour, but sport is sport. I dont care with the behaviour of the player. but the important thing is he can entertains and inspire me in Badminton.Bravo Taufik:D:D:D

its GREAT!!!! Taufik Hidayat is not High Ranked Palyer maybe now in 18th or 20th. and also as unseeded player i this Championship(eventhough any 16 players taht are seeded by IBF), But everyone discuss 'bout this guy. :confused:

Taufik is Great:) hopefully he will play Great also in this Championship. and 'bout the behaviour of Taufik, I can say ITS OK!!;) you can see many sportstar has special or controversial behaviour, but sport is sport. I dont care with the behaviour of the player. but the important thing is he can entertains and inspire me in Badminton.Bravo Taufik:D:D:D

yes i gree with u, it's very rare that so many people here talking about player with ranking below 30 :)... he..he

Taufik and his wife :

http://www.m-aa.com/111738.jpg

according to IBF Offcial Mr. Paisan Rangsikitpho, Taufik Hidayat is threatened to be banned from Badminton games 3 up to 6 months.

the completed news (in Bahasa Indonesia) : http://www.mediaindo.co.id/berita.asp?id=111738

His wife looks gorgeous..

they look perfect together!!

they look perfect together!!
haha,yes, i think so too:)

according to IBF Offcial Mr. Paisan Rangsikitpho, Taufik Hidayat is threatened to be banned from Badminton games 3 up to 6 months.

the completed news (in Bahasa Indonesia) : http://www.mediaindo.co.id/berita.asp?id=111738
indra, if you don't mind, would you mind doing the translation in English for the rest of the folks who can't read/understand the article??..thanks-:cool:

Well, I do not see the players you mentioned above, save mia, winning any olympic medals for other countries.

Olympic is the keyword, in my opinion.
u rely on olympic status too much.
try looking at the world ranking.
yes, mia audina won silver.
if pbsi is so great, had any INA player (post mia emigration) won medal at OC?? taufik won because he didn't met up any chinese MS players, which they all bombed due to stage fright. OC come every 4 years. Tony G is Olympic grade MD player since he left INA. He and howard bach beaten all INA pair in 05 WC. I think tony g is still an olympic gold grade player at the moment. If mia's diamond career come after 2008, she might still can get a medal (silver or bronze) at 08 OC if she train up for it.

U place too much importance on the OC.
Star status only relates to prize money, glamor and tv showing, not quality of skill and effort given by the players.

u rely on olympic status too much.
try looking at the world ranking.
yes, mia audina won silver.
if pbsi is so great, had any INA player (post mia emigration) won medal at OC?? taufik won because he didn't met up any chinese MS players, which they all bombed due to stage fright. OC come every 4 years. Tony G is Olympic grade MD player since he left INA. He and howard bach beaten all INA pair in 05 WC. I think tony g is still an olympic gold grade player at the moment. If mia's diamond career come after 2008, she might still can get a medal (silver or bronze) at 08 OC if she train up for it.

U place too much importance on the OC.
Star status only relates to prize money, glamor and tv showing, not quality of skill and effort given by the players.

Now. now. Who said that PBSI is great?? I don't think they are. I just express my analysis on why PBSI cannot do something to discipline Taufik. That doesn't necessarily mean I agree with them.

Interesting quote here :
taufik won because he didn't met up any chinese MS players, which they all bombed due to stage fright.
Oh, really? I see. So the chinese MS players didn't win the gold because of stage fright? Hmmm...:rolleyes:

Maybe, maybe...to be the Olympic champion ones has to overcome that stage fright first. And it seem that's exactly what Taufik has done. He does not fear any opponent, any stage, anything.

regards

Now. now. Who said that PBSI is great?? I don't think they are. I just express my analysis on why PBSI cannot do something to discipline Taufik. That doesn't necessarily mean I agree with them.

Interesting quote here :

Oh, really? I see. So the chinese MS players didn't win the gold because of stage fright? Hmmm...:rolleyes:

Maybe, maybe...to be the Olympic champion ones has to overcome that stage fright first. And it seem that's exactly what Taufik has done. He does not fear any opponent, any stage, anything.

regards
but to be great, u have to win often and consistently, not when u feel like it.
if u skip most tournaments and just train and focus on wc and oc, then the chance of winning is very high too because u have no injury and can time your peak performance. U have to understand, each tournament is base on a draw, sometime lucky, sometime unlucky. If one win most of the time, this type of record downplay the influence of the luck of the draw factor. Mia and tony g are legendary status or close to it. Taufik, in my book, isnt or not yet.

if u r a student, ask your parents which would they prefer
1) couples of A's mark in the finals or some essays but a C+ for the whole semester
or
2) an B+ for the semester but never got an A any final exams or some big projects?

but to be great, u have to win often and consistently, not when u feel like it.
if u skip most tournaments and just train and focus on wc and oc, then the chance of winning is very high too because u have no injury and can time your peak performance. U have to understand, each tournament is base on a draw, sometime lucky, sometime unlucky. If one win most of the time, this type of record downplay the influence of the luck of the draw factor. Mia and tony g are legendary status or close to it. Taufik, in my book, isnt or not yet.

if u r a student, ask your parents which would they prefer
1) couples of A's mark in the finals or some essays but a C+ for the whole semester
or
2) an B+ for the semester but never got an A any final exams or some big projects?
hehe, forgot already, what was the article abt Taufik all about??..:p :)
I think what cooler is trying to explain above as highlighted in bold, if i don't misunderstand, is that he's trying to compare Taufik's (current/past)accomplishments with those of INA previous greats(ie. Rudy Hartono, LSKing, Susy Susanti, Rexy/Ricky etc.). Those retired INA greats won the "big" title(s) as well as competed often & consistently. Unlike what Taufik has done...;)

but to be great, u have to win often and consistently, not when u feel like it.
if u skip most tournaments and just train and focus on wc and oc, then the chance of winning is very high too because u have no injury and can time your peak performance. U have to understand, each tournament is base on a draw, sometime lucky, sometime unlucky. If one win most of the time, this type of record downplay the influence of the luck of the draw factor. Mia and tony g are legendary status or close to it. Taufik, in my book, isnt or not yet.


Well...Taufik is Taufik...no matter you like him or not, he has proven that he's the guy who can win the Olympic Games, World Championships, and Asian Games gold medals. These are "heavy-weight" titles, even by IBF's standards. It's not a surprise Taufik is Indonesia's (and PBSI's) "anak-emas" or the golden kid.

indra, if you don't mind, would you mind doing the translation in English for the rest of the folks who can't read/understand the article??..thanks-:cool:
anyway, for those interested, here's the English-version of the article...provided by pramilainc..
http://www.bruneitimes.com.bn/details.php?shape_ID=5360

accomplishments with those of INA previous greats(ie. Rudy Hartono, LSKing, Susy Susanti, Rexy/Ricky etc.). Those retired INA greats won the "big" title as well as competed often & consistently. Unlike what Taufik has done...;)

However, I think Rudy Hartono and Liem did not win any Olympic medals (since badminton was not introduced as an Olympic sports till 1992). Susy Susanti also never win any Asian Games gold (regretfully). Therefore, in terms of "big titles", these ex-great players still lose out to Taufik.

It's not that I am defending Taufik. I have my own reservation about him as some of you probably have read in other threads. However, you can not discredit about his achievements. As an Indonesian, I am eternally grateful that he has won all those "big" titles for the nation.

It's not that I am defending Taufik. I have my own reservation about him as some of you probably have read in other threads. However, you can not discredit about his achievements. As an Indonesian, I am eternally grateful that he has won all those "big" titles for the nation.

don't taufik walkover also disgrace the nation of indonesia?
u can't just talk about the goods and sweep the dirts under the carpet.

don't taufik walkover also disgrace the nation of indonesia?
u can't just talk about the goods and sweep the dirts under the carpet.

You can read my comments on that incident in the other thread.
However, it's a fact that PBSI officials have come out to say that they "understand" his behavior during the HK Open.

However, I think Rudy Hartono and Liem did not win any Olympic medals (since badminton was not introduced as an Olympic sports till 1992). Susy Susanti also never win any Asian Games gold (regretfully). Therefore, in terms of "big titles", these ex-great players still lose out to Taufik.
hmm, well, that's true, the WC and Olympics were not introduced yet during their time.:p However i believe during their times, the Sudirman Cup, Thomas & Uber Cup and All-England were "technically" the "big" title(s), yet they seemed to rise to the occasion and garnered those. Don't want to compare, but one of them even won the All-England repeatedly, something which Taufik can not claim for himself, as we speak..:rolleyes: ;)
The funny thing is that, that same person who won the AE repeatedly so many times, is now part of PBSI (and now on the defense for Taufik's case)..figure that one out??..:confused: :rolleyes::p

You can read my comments on that incident in the other thread.
However, it's a fact that PBSI officials have come out to say that they "understand" his behavior during the HK Open.
what pbsi says has no credibility to me. If indonesians have no respect on pbsi, why should u or i? i rather listen to taufik own words than pbsi.

However, I think Rudy Hartono and Liem did not win any Olympic medals (since badminton was not introduced as an Olympic sports till 1992). Susy Susanti also never win any Asian Games gold (regretfully). Therefore, in terms of "big titles", these ex-great players still lose out to Taufik.

It's not that I am defending Taufik. I have my own reservation about him as some of you probably have read in other threads. However, you can not discredit about his achievements. As an Indonesian, I am eternally grateful that he has won all those "big" titles for the nation.

Exactly. If I make a list of "Things that I don't like about Taufik" it will be a long long list. But definitely his winning the OC, WC, and AG, will be, "Things that I like about Taufik," which seem more important.

BTW, is that true that Susi never win an AG gold? I am not so sure.

hehe, forgot already, what was the article abt Taufik all about??..:p :)
I think what cooler is trying to explain above as highlighted in bold, if i don't misunderstand, is that he's trying to compare Taufik's (current/past)accomplishments with those of INA previous greats(ie. Rudy Hartono, LSKing, Susy Susanti, Rexy/Ricky etc.). Those retired INA greats won the "big" title(s) as well as competed often & consistently. Unlike what Taufik has done...;)

Interesting that you mentioned Rudy Hartono.
As a player, as well as an indivual, this man really a 'nice guy', nowhere near controversial.

Now he's in PBSI as a 'pembina', and I remember him saying -with regard to Taufik; that he would rather have indiscipline players with great achievements than have highly discipline players with no achievements.
Does it sound desperate? Indeeed!;)

..hehe, don't know, maybe mods might merge/join this thread with the other thread...both are basically becoming the same topic of discussion..;):D

hehe, forgot already, what was the article abt Taufik all about??..:p :)
I think what cooler is trying to explain above as highlighted in bold, if i don't misunderstand, is that he's trying to compare Taufik's (current/past)accomplishments with those of INA previous greats(ie. Rudy Hartono, LSKing, Susy Susanti, Rexy/Ricky etc.). Those retired INA greats won the "big" title(s) as well as competed often & consistently. Unlike what Taufik has done...;)

yes, u got my point;)
dont forget tony G, he can win big titles with numerous different partners.

on the other hand, alan budi and Ji Xinpeng won MS gold medal too, were they great players before or after that, huh? So, talent wise, having oc gold isn't a be all criteria to judge a player.

Interesting that you mentioned Rudy Hartono.
As a player, as well as an indivual, this man really a 'nice guy', nowhere near controversial.

Now he's in PBSI as a 'pembina', and I remember him saying -with regard to Taufik; that he would rather have indiscipline players with great achievements than have highly discipline players with no achievements.
Does it sound desperate? Indeeed!;)
yah, like i mentioned above, isn't it quite amusing??..:p :)

yah, like i mentioned above, isn't it quite amusing??..:p :)
Yah. And don't forget Sutiyoso, the current PBSI' chairman who also the Governor of Jakarta. As a governor, he is a tough one. As PBSI's chairman, he is viewed by many as too 'harsh' to players (other than Taufik) with his reward and punishment thing.
But even a tough Sutiyoso made 'tidak berkutik' by Taufik.:p