I read an Indonesian newspaper (seputar Indonesia) today Monday 18 Sep 2006, IBF will impose a sanction on Taufik (banning him for 3 - 6 months from playing international matches) effective immediately....

I wonder whether IBF has issued its decision?

I read an Indonesian newspaper (seputar Indonesia) today Monday 18 Sep 2006, IBF will impose a sanction on Taufik (banning him for 3 - 6 months from playing international matches) effective immediately....

I wonder whether IBF has issued its decision?
yes, there's another post regarding this matter..see http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36087&page=5
If i'm not mistaken, I believe i saw an English version of this article; but i forgot which site was it from..:rolleyes: :p

Another article here...
http://www.bruneitimes.com.bn/details.php?shape_ID=5360

I say go ahead with ban... serves him right.
Then Indonesia should consider banishing him from country..

I read an Indonesian newspaper (seputar Indonesia) today Monday 18 Sep 2006, IBF will impose a sanction on Taufik (banning him for 3 - 6 months from playing international matches) effective immediately....

I wonder whether IBF has issued its decision?

Is that real????? I will be very disappointed if it's real!!!!!!

the ban is good and bad by ibf.
good :shows ibf is doing something.
bad: it took too long to decide, twirling their fingers.
taufik might had trained up for the 06 WC but now can't play.
It would pisses off taufik than lessen learned by taufik.

Finally IBF decides to ban TH..
About time.

the ban is good and bad by ibf.
good :shows ibf is doing something.
bad: it took too long to decide, twirling their fingers.
taufik might had trained up for the 06 WC but now can't play.
I think the article imply that the ban will start after WC2006
However dont know how much this announcement will affect his performance during WC2006 which begins today!
If they proceed with the ban after WC2006 then I have a strong feeling Taufik will retire from badminton:(

Another article here...
http://www.bruneitimes.com.bn/details.php?shape_ID=5360

I say go ahead with ban... serves him right.
Then Indonesia should consider banishing him from country..
thanks for the link, pramilainc..yah, that looks like the same translated article that was posted in another thread..;)

the ban is good and bad by ibf.
good :shows ibf is doing something.
bad: it took too long to decide, twirling their fingers.
taufik might had trained up for the 06 WC but now can't play.
I think the article imply that the ban will start after WC2006
However dont know how much this announcement will affect his performance during WC2006 which begins today!
If they proceed with the ban after WC2006 then I have a strong feeling Taufik will retire from badminton:(
hmm, i think prior to making their decision, IBF must confer and sit down with the HK Open organizer, referee and umpire and maybe the linejudge. If PBSI has given their side of the story, then IBF must hear from both sides. So, both sides have to give their own accounts. Unfortunately, i doubt if IBF will approve a "3rd witness" to this(ahem, ahem). Eventhough we(BC/BF) do have photographical proof of the incident..
The interesting thing abt this is that, until now, we haven't heard/saw any sort of "apology(ies)", esp. from Taufik's/PBSI's camp..:rolleyes: :p

I think the article imply that the ban will start after WC2006
However dont know how much this announcement will affect his performance during WC2006 which begins today!
If they proceed with the ban after WC2006 then I have a strong feeling Taufik will retire from badminton:(

Let's wait how IBF's decision would be. My guess is, PBSI will defend Taufik. At first we read PBSI's official (Rudy Hartono) said that he worry Taufik will be discipined by IBF, but after PBSI claryfing the matters to Taufik on what really happened on Hongkong Open, (that he left the game at the request/challenge/consent by the umpire), then PBSI become sure that Taufik will escape the sanction. I am not so sure, though.

As for Taufik's retirement... actually Indonesian media often ask Taufik about this. So far Taufik's answer was -as I remember it- that he will keep playing as long as he is able to play. And if he is indeed to retire, he says he knows what he is doing with his life.... Will this 'naughty boy' be missed?:)

If they do ban him, and if he decides to continue playing after the ban, then I hope at least that he'll use this time to think and get his mind straight. And hopefully come back much more motivated and sportsmanlike!

Then Indonesia should consider banishing him from country..
I hope you're joking... if not then way to wildly overreact. God you speak like he's a terrorist or something :rolleyes:.

TH will retire if ibf ban him

he's a revolt :)

I also read this issue in Reuters South Africa-online --> IBF events commitee chairman P.Rangsikitpho has said TH's Hongkong walkout will be dealt with by IBF officials gathered in Madrid for the c'ships which start on Monday.A ban of three to six months is thought possible.-- Bad sign of course for TH! If IBF decide 3 month ban, TH can't retain his AG Gold Medal in Doha next December which is the biggest aim for himself this year comparing 15th edition worldmeet.And if he will banned for 6 month, he must forget to fight ahead All England/07 (one prestigious title that he has never won so far).What an anticlimax if his bright bdm-career will ending with the IBF's ban!

I'm kinda joking of course and kinda over-reacting. If IBF ban him and if PBSI decides stand by Taufik rather than IBF decision then it would highlight how helpless Indonesian badmintno is without Taufik. I hope that does not happen, rather PBSI is man enough to accept the ruling and concentrate on their badminton sans Taufik. After all just because he brought glory to Indoneisan badminton, doesnt mean he owns it. Should he misbehave he should be punished like any other.

Best case would be PBSI imposes the ban themselves, but I think we are past that now...

If they do ban him, and if he decides to continue playing after the ban, then I hope at least that he'll use this time to think and get his mind straight. And hopefully come back much more motivated and sportsmanlike!


I hope you're joking... if not then way to wildly overreact. God you speak like he's a terrorist or something :rolleyes:.

The WC2006 is already underway, can they ban him so suddenly? and is he OFFICIALLY banned from playing right now?

I'm kinda joking of course and kinda over-reacting. If IBF ban him and if PBSI decides stand by Taufik rather than IBF decision then it would highlight how helpless Indonesian badmintno is without Taufik. I hope that does not happen, rather PBSI is man enough to accept the ruling and concentrate on their badminton sans Taufik. After all just because he brought glory to Indoneisan badminton, doesnt mean he owns it. Should he misbehave he should be punished like any other.
..I concur with the above, with or without the "banning" of TH..;)

I'm kinda joking of course and kinda over-reacting. If IBF ban him and if PBSI decides stand by Taufik rather than IBF decision then it would highlight how helpless Indonesian badmintno is without Taufik. I hope that does not happen, rather PBSI is man enough to accept the ruling and concentrate on their badminton sans Taufik. After all just because he brought glory to Indoneisan badminton, doesnt mean he owns it. Should he misbehave he should be punished like any other.

Best case would be PBSI imposes the ban themselves, but I think we are past that now...
Ah, sorry that's ok then :). Whenever I say something like that it just about always turns out that the person is joking hehe. Maybe I should just shutup :D

..I concur with the above, with or without the "banning" of TH..;)

although i had written alot about taufik's infraction, in my opinion, i think pbsi should be penalized the most, since they produced taufik and should accept the most responsibility of taufik's action. A true leader accept responsibility of his subordinate. If a kid is a brat, i dont blame the kid as much as on his/her parents. Since this is taufik's first real infraction, i would just fine taufik with a token dollar amount($1000), and really fine pbsi ($30,000 or estimated pbsi gain from this wc). PBSI loves money and fining them hit them harder than a ban. A taufik ban hurt badminton and indonesian fans, counterproductive in my opinion. I'm sure 30k wont kill the pbsi, they can earn that back from wc sponsorship. If pbsi thinks it's a joke, make the next infraction fine 60k

I don't think they have banned him yet. Just that it is a possiblity. Anyway dont' think IBF would ban him in the middle of WC, merely because it will take the spotlight off the courts.

The WC2006 is already underway, can they ban him so suddenly? and is he OFFICIALLY banned from playing right now?

Banishing would'nt help anyway. He probly defect to singapore and continue to be pampered, rather than learn his lesson :D

Ah, sorry that's ok then :). Whenever I say something like that it just about always turns out that the person is joking hehe. Maybe I should just shutup :D

if IBF decides to ban taufik..it will be after WC....cant be banned during WC...thats ridiculous....anyway that IBF should consider also the umpire which he was not supposed to say something to suggest the player to quit....that will be fair.

although i had written alot about taufik's infraction, in my opinion, i think pbsi should be penalized the most, since they produced taufik and should accept the most responsibility of taufik's action. A true leader accept responsibility of his subordinate. If a kid is a brat, i dont blame the kid as much as on his/her parents. Since this is taufik's first real infraction, i would just fine taufik with a token dollar amount($1000), and really fine pbsi ($30,000 or estimated pbsi gain from this wc). PBSI loves money and fining them hit them harder than a ban. A taufik ban hurt badminton and indonesian fans, counterproductive in my opinion. I'm sure 30k wont kill the pbsi, they can earn that back from wc sponsorship. If pbsi thinks it's a joke, make the next infraction fine 60k

Yes..banning TH from playing for 3 - 6 months is counterproductive....hurts Badminton communities, fans, and many others!!!

IF and ONLY IF IBF penalizes TH, a fine of US$ 1,000 on TH is reasonable...(OK...acceptable)...but fining PBSI US$ 30.000 is TOO BIG....US$ 5,000 would be reasonable in my opinion...because it is not 100% PBSI's fault

Then,is he still playing???This is a big news and maybe a happy news for other players...I wonder what his feeling if he really banned immediately...So,anyone know what happening now???

Yes..banning TH from playing for 3 - 6 months is counterproductive....hurts Badminton communities, fans, and many others!!!

IF and ONLY IF IBF penalizes TH, a fine of US$ 1,000 on TH is reasonable...(OK...acceptable)...but fining PBSI US$ 30.000 is TOO BIG....US$ 5,000 would be reasonable in my opinion...because it is not 100% PBSI's fault
ok, 10k but now we are just dinkering with the amount.
Of course it's not '100%':rolleyes: pbsi fault. If it was, it should be way more than 30k. Pbsi is not a person, it's organization of many people, $/person on a 30k fine is low. A fine shouldn't be a negotiated amount.

The WC2006 is already underway, can they ban him so suddenly? and is he OFFICIALLY banned from playing right now?

just read Singapore Straits Times which is 70% credible.TH is ON for this WC. IBF will meet to consider possible punishment for TH's HKO behaviour after the WC.IMO, IBF should consider banning incompetent umpires instead.Ever since the introduction of 'Umpires right to overrule line calls', there have been very few instances of an umpire's guts to do that; I can count on the fingers of one hand. I have very little respect for IBF Open umpires . Compared to tennis umpires who adopt a 'ready to OVERRULE' attitude, badminton umpires adopt a ' ready to OVERLOOK" stance.
The chance of a bad line call is there when the shuttle lands around the net area where the umpire or service judge has a better view. The service judge is underworked and should have the right to overrule in his net area when the umpire is unsure ,as in the case of KJ/LD match in HKO.The umpire should never ask a player about a line call like he asked LD because had LD said 'IN' he would be honest but stupid and gain the respect of KJ. He said' OUT' and lost the respect of KJ.It's important that players have mutual respect for each other and umpires must not be the cause of a rift between players. If the SJ had been given the right to overrule, and the umpire asked for the confirmation and the SJ should be dishonest as to confirm 'OUT', then KJ will have contempt for the SJ rather than LD,which is fine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe being appointed volunteers, IBF OPEN umpires are prone to cowardice.It's like it's more important to save the face of the linesperson than to protect the integrity of the match when the line call is not 50/50 but clearly wrong.If IBF umpires are just scorekeepers, then maybe B. Jazs could be an umpire.Maybe the fastest! Badminton players are the stars of the tournament but they are treated like employees.It's high time that IBF take stock of its list of umpires and set some standards for them!

If TH will be banned, then the referee must also be banned.

If TH will be banned, then the referee must also be banned.

the referee must also be banned? for what?

Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe being appointed volunteers, IBF OPEN umpires are prone to cowardice.It's like it's more important to save the face of the linesperson than to protect the integrity of the match

i couldn't see that point from the hko.
but in kj and lin dan's case. the umpire did save her face rather than saving the face of the linesman!:mad:

If IBF decided to proceed with the ban, eitherway I guess both party(TH & IBF) will suffer...

-TH missing out on prestigious competition and dropping in world ranking
-IBF critisized for making harsh decesion and ignite hatred from fanatic fans, thus badminon drop in popularity

Solution? Like someone mentioned... negotiate an appropriate amount of fine to TH alone.. Definatly looking at USD$5k below.... it is rediculous if the amount was 10k.... a player winning a 6star open cant even make that much money lol...
Or another alternative solution just forget about this entire incident, give TH final warning and put more effort to ensure incompetent umpires, referees & linejudges are irradicated

I think the article imply that the ban will start after WC2006
However dont know how much this announcement will affect his performance during WC2006 which begins today!
If they proceed with the ban after WC2006 then I have a strong feeling Taufik will retire from badminton:(
had the feeling too, hope not!

Banishing would'nt help anyway. He probly defect to singapore and continue to be pampered, rather than learn his lesson :D

May I ask, why Singapore? ;)

Sorry if I missed anything, but was there at any point any short coming from the umpires ? I thought it was Taufik disagreed with umpire/lineswoman ruling and simply walked away ? ..and did umpire suggested that Taufik should walk away from the game, (as someone mentioned somewhere above), is there any evidence (press release or something) to back these ?


If IBF decided to proceed with the ban, eitherway I guess both party(TH & IBF) will suffer...

-TH missing out on prestigious competition and dropping in world ranking
-IBF critisized for making harsh decesion and ignite hatred from fanatic fans

Solution? Like someone mentioned... negotiate an appropriate amount of fine to TH alone.. Definatly looking at USD$5k below.... it is rediculous if the amount was 10k.... a player winning a 6star open cant even make that much money lol...
Or another alternative solution just forget about this entire incident, give TH final warning and put more effort to ensure incompetent umpires, referees & linejudges are irradicated

As for Taufik's retirement... actually Indonesian media often ask Taufik about this. So far Taufik's answer was -as I remember it- that he will keep playing as long as he is able to play. And if he is indeed to retire, he says he knows what he is doing with his life.... Will this 'naughty boy' be missed?:)
I think that was then.... before all this turmoil lol...
He might change his mind now since IBF decided to enter his enemies list lol:D

Sorry if I missed anything, but was there at any point any short coming from the umpires ? I thought it was Taufik disagreed with umpire/lineswoman ruling and simply walked away ? ..and did umpire suggested that Taufik should walk away from the game, (as someone mentioned somewhere above), is there any evidence (press release or something) to back these ?
If I was the umpire.. I would talk to the referee to get the linemans/woman changed.. at least that might please TH abit and he might have changed his mind to proceed with the match

Sorry if I missed anything, but was there at any point any short coming from the umpires ? I thought it was Taufik disagreed with umpire/lineswoman ruling and simply walked away ? ..and did umpire suggested that Taufik should walk away from the game, (as someone mentioned somewhere above), is there any evidence (press release or something) to back these ?

Yes it was in Indonesian media, quoting Taufik Hidayat's coach (Mulyo Handoyo) and PBSI's secretary general Mr. Siregar, that Taufik only left the game after the umpire said that Taufik could WO if he could not accept the decision.

Taufik should just stay in Indonesia and not play for any other country.

Yes..banning TH from playing for 3 - 6 months is counterproductive....hurts Badminton communities, fans, and many others!!!

IF and ONLY IF IBF penalizes TH, a fine of US$ 1,000 on TH is reasonable...(OK...acceptable)...but fining PBSI US$ 30.000 is TOO BIG....US$ 5,000 would be reasonable in my opinion...because it is not 100% PBSI's fault
let's look at it in an optimistic way,maybe they are trying to get enough money to get eagle eyes for badminton too. You know that takes money;)
This whole thing is just a huge joke , let's forget about it, no winner in this incident.:o

Taufik only left the game after the umpire said that Taufik could WO if he could not accept the decision.

if that was the truth. then why banning taufik! he was totally innocent!
in this case, i think ibf should hold a press conference or make an announcement to the public about that. then fire that umpire!

Not necessarily... Correct thing would have been to accept umpires decision regardless of what he thinks. Thats what any other player would have done...

if that was the truth. then why banning taufik! he was totally innocent!
in this case, i think ibf should hold a press conference or make an announcement to the public about that. then fire that umpire!

if that was the truth. then why banning taufik! he was totally innocent!
in this case, i think ibf should hold a press conference or make an announcement to the public about that. then fire that umpire!
Hi there. I guess you are counted as our 'keywitness' to the incident. Didn't you hear anything then?

Not necessarily... Correct thing would have been to accept umpires decision regardless of what he thinks. Thats what any other player would have done...

it's indeed necessary. the first thing that ibf should find out is who's right and who's wrong!
let's think it this way. Taufik didn't accept the umpire's decision then he walkout. that's Taufik's fault.
but if the umpire had said something to intimidate Taufik. that was absolutely unprofessional! the fault was actually on the umpire's side! then Taufik shouldn't be banned! right?

Hi there. I guess you are counted as our 'keywitness' to the incident. Didn't you hear anything then?

again, i did see the shuttle landed on the line! but i couldn't hear the conversation between Taufik and the umpire. so, not quite sure whether the umpire had said something to provoke Taufik.

Not necessarily... Correct thing would have been to accept umpires decision regardless of what he thinks. Thats what any other player would have done...

If the umpire is wrong, one still has a recourse to the Referee, I suppose. And if the umpire is not doing his work properly, I'm sure his performance is being monitored and he may not get a chance to umpire another important match.

As someone has said there are rules and procedures currently prevailing to ensure the orderly conduct of the match. But under present circumstances, when advanced technology is unavailable to help the umpires or linejudges make a more definite decision, players must learn to accept the decisions of these officials, otherwise there will be too many disruptions and arguments.

Taufik should just stay in Indonesia and not play for any other country.

i think he will never play badminton again(and the badminton world will be boring) if IBF truely ban him, becos he will feel being treated unfair by IBF, IBF should have 'a hearing' with taufik and the umpire

if that was the truth. then why banning taufik! he was totally innocent!
in this case, i think ibf should hold a press conference or make an announcement to the public about that. then fire that umpire!


It is a sad fact of life. The big boss (IBF) cannot afford loose face, which will be the case of no one got punished for the walk out. It would be bad for discipline. If Taufik is not punished then the judges or the umpire probably will be!

It is a sad fact of life. The big boss (IBF) cannot afford loose face, which will be the case of no one got punished for the walk out. It would be bad for discipline. If Taufik is not punished then the judges or the umpire probably will be!

i think taufik will get fined not banned :rolleyes:

i think taufik will get fined not banned :rolleyes:

Don't think IBF will ban Taufik at this late hour. I personally would like to see him play ....

if that was the truth. then why banning taufik! he was totally innocent!
in this case, i think ibf should hold a press conference or make an announcement to the public about that. then fire that umpire!


I think it was the tournament referee should be fired not the umpire....in another linejudgin incident at HKO, the player involved told me he asked for the referee and the referee told him sorry he cant do anything coz this is china.......i think that is so unprofessional......thats why IBF should have neutral tournament referee and adopt using tv replay....

tennis now have technology for players to change the line calls.....i think it worked very well during the US open....may be IBF can adopt somthin similar since time is wasted for players to argue abt the line call anyway.....

i couldn't see that point from the hko.
but in kj and lin dan's case. the umpire did save her face rather than saving the face of the linesman!:mad:That umpire for LD vs KJ is a very experienced umpire. She's been a high ranked umpire for some years now. She also travels to tournaments to carry out umpiring. Got two kids as well..:eek: haha

conclusion please...???i'm confuse and lost!!

although i had written alot about taufik's infraction, in my opinion, i think pbsi should be penalized the most, since they produced taufik and should accept the most responsibility of taufik's action. A true leader accept responsibility of his subordinate. If a kid is a brat, i dont blame the kid as much as on his/her parents. Since this is taufik's first real infraction, i would just fine taufik with a token dollar amount($1000), and really fine pbsi ($30,000 or estimated pbsi gain from this wc). PBSI loves money and fining them hit them harder than a ban. A taufik ban hurt badminton and indonesian fans, counterproductive in my opinion. I'm sure 30k wont kill the pbsi, they can earn that back from wc sponsorship. If pbsi thinks it's a joke, make the next infraction fine 60k
Yes..banning TH from playing for 3 - 6 months is counterproductive....hurts Badminton communities, fans, and many others!!!

IF and ONLY IF IBF penalizes TH, a fine of US$ 1,000 on TH is reasonable...(OK...acceptable)...but fining PBSI US$ 30.000 is TOO BIG....US$ 5,000 would be reasonable in my opinion...because it is not 100% PBSI's fault
again, like i mentioned before, all we fans need is just a simple apology from Taufik's or PBSI's camp. Just do what civil people would do in situation like these.:p..IMO, monetary fine is relative and almost meaningless without somekind of an apology..:p

just read Singapore Straits Times which is 70% credible.TH is ON for this WC. IBF will meet to consider possible punishment for TH's HKO behaviour after the WC.IMO, IBF should consider banning incompetent umpires instead.Ever since the introduction of 'Umpires right to overrule line calls', there have been very few instances of an umpire's guts to do that; I can count on the fingers of one hand. I have very little respect for IBF Open umpires . Compared to tennis umpires who adopt a 'ready to OVERRULE' attitude, badminton umpires adopt a ' ready to OVERLOOK" stance.
The chance of a bad line call is there when the shuttle lands around the net area where the umpire or service judge has a better view. The service judge is underworked and should have the right to overrule in his net area when the umpire is unsure ,as in the case of KJ/LD match in HKO.The umpire should never ask a player about a line call like he asked LD because had LD said 'IN' he would be honest but stupid and gain the respect of KJ. He said' OUT' and lost the respect of KJ.It's important that players have mutual respect for each other and umpires must not be the cause of a rift between players. If the SJ had been given the right to overrule, and the umpire asked for the confirmation and the SJ should be dishonest as to confirm 'OUT', then KJ will have contempt for the SJ rather than LD,which is fine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe being appointed volunteers, IBF OPEN umpires are prone to cowardice.It's like it's more important to save the face of the linesperson than to protect the integrity of the match when the line call is not 50/50 but clearly wrong.If IBF umpires are just scorekeepers, then maybe B. Jazs could be an umpire.Maybe the fastest! Badminton players are the stars of the tournament but they are treated like employees.It's high time that IBF take stock of its list of umpires and set some standards for them!
pjswift, i understand where you're coming from...But, would you be an umpire and have the same guts to over-rule a "questionable" call(in TH vs. LD's match). Tennis' umpire has the ability to change/overrule calls because nowadays they have better technology(esp. for instant replay). Not in badminton.
Thus, like i mentioned earlier in another thread, if an umpire doesn't have "clear" or "unquestionable view" of a shot/play, then s/he *doesn't have* the right to over-rule a linejudge's call, esp. one who is sitting @ the farthest corner/side of away from the umpire. That's why you have linejudge's sitting on nearly all 4 corners of the court. They act as the "2nd eye(s)" even "1st eye(s)" of the umpire. If the umpire over-rules a linejudge's call without a "clear" and "unquestionable view", then s/he is "hijacking" the match.;)

Anyone have any information on whats actually happening?

If I was the umpire.. I would talk to the referee to get the linemans/woman changed.. at least that might please TH abit and he might have changed his mind to proceed with the match
hmm, i can see your view on this..But then, what if there's another questionable call and either LD or Taufik protest or argue argain. Does that mean, there will be more linejudges being replaced??..:rolleyes: it won't be a nice spectacle to watch..:p

Taufik should just stay in Indonesia and not play for any other country.
hehe...i can sense something, what do you mean by this, ants??..:confused: :)

let's look at it in an optimistic way,maybe they are trying to get enough money to get eagle eyes for badminton too. You know that takes money;)
This whole thing is just a huge joke , let's forget about it, no winner in this incident.:o
i understand your point of view...IMO, i think IBF is at least "trying to do" something on matters like this, rather than "sweeping it under the carpet". Because in case something similar happened again in the future, which is a possibility, they now know how to deal and handle this kind of issue..;)

Not necessarily... Correct thing would have been to accept umpires decision regardless of what he thinks. Thats what any other player would have done...
yah, i concur with you there...In sports, these types of calls happen. It's tough and all the calls can't go their way, so the player(s) just have to take & swallow the decision(s) and move on..

if that was the truth. then why banning taufik! he was totally innocent!
in this case, i think ibf should hold a press conference or make an announcement to the public about that. then fire that umpire!
Hi there. I guess you are counted as our 'keywitness' to the incident. Didn't you hear anything then?
red00ecstrat and Cheung were the only 2 BC/BF members, among the thousands of spectators, who actually saw the incident. As a matter of fact, i believe it was thru Cheung's own account which he passed to another BC/BF member(thru long distance contaq), that the report first appeared in here(see HK Open's threads)..;)

it's indeed necessary. the first thing that ibf should find out is who's right and who's wrong!
let's think it this way. Taufik didn't accept the umpire's decision then he walkout. that's Taufik's fault.
but if the umpire had said something to intimidate Taufik. that was absolutely unprofessional! the fault was actually on the umpire's side! then Taufik shouldn't be banned! right?
i think he will never play badminton again(and the badminton world will be boring) if IBF truely ban him, becos he will feel being treated unfair by IBF, IBF should have 'a hearing' with taufik and the umpire
hmm, yeah, that's what i mentioned earlier in this thread. IBF needs to get both parties' side of story and confer with them first on what actually happened(ie. what was said to who, by whom etc.), before making any decision(s). If there is/are no "3rd neutral witness"(as in individual) being asked, I'm sure at least there were digicams rolling @ the time the incident happened.;)

the referee told him sorry he cant do anything coz this is china.......

i couldn't believe he said something like that! what a shock to me!

A ban for 3 to 6 months isn't that big considering he rarely cares about small tournys newayz:D:D

hehe...i can sense something, what do you mean by this, ants??..:confused: :)

What i mean is that he is better off stay in Indonesia. Where he is popular. No point going to other country and sort of start over.

red00ecstrat and Cheung were the only 2 BC/BF members, among the thousands of spectators, who actually saw the incident. As a matter of fact, i believe it was thru Cheung's own account which he passed to another BC/BF member(thru long distance contaq), that the report first appeared in here(see HK Open's threads)..;)Let me clarify. I couldn't see the shuttle clearly as I was up in the stands.
It was only Red who was looking down the line.

yah, i concur with you there...In sports, these types of calls happen. It's tough and all the calls can't go their way, so the player(s) just have to take & swallow the decision(s) and move on..Agree, even LCW did so with that stupid comment he got. i.e.referee told him sorry he cant do anything coz this is china.......

That umpire for LD vs KJ is a very experienced umpire. She's been a high ranked umpire for some years now. She also travels to tournaments to carry out umpiring. Got two kids as well..:eek: haha

if i can remember correctly. in the second dispute of ld vs kj. i can hear the conversation between the referee and her clearly cos at that time i was sitting under her chair.
i had mentioned it before. the referee asked the umpire. "can u see that clearly?" she said, "no i can't see it clearly." then the referee point to the linesman for his answer. the linesman pointed toward the line. then the referee looked at the umpire again. but the umpire said." but i don't wann change!"
her exactly wording in spoken cantonese were "唔....我費事改啦!"

"唔....我費事改啦!"

To those who could not understand cantonese, that means " man it's too troublesome, don't change it !" .

I don't think IBF should be handing out punishment so late, I mean, it has been so long that the whole thing has kind of blown over. He should still be punished, yes, but not a ban for half a year. I mean tennis players like Marat Safin and the young Roger Federer used to throw fits and such and the ATP never banned them. On the plus side, if Taufik is indeed banned for a half year, then he might be more motivated and inclined to win the World Championships since he will miss out on the All England and the Asian Games which is his only goal it seems for this year.

Hmm, what do they do in Tennis if something like this happens? Here's what I feel the result should be and how umpires should be picked:

1. As with the Soccer Worldcup umpires should be selected so they won't be bias (from a diiferent country not related to either player). Preventing this sought of thing from happening is better than solving a messy aftermarth.

2. Taufik should be fined and accept the fine like any professional from any sport should (If he is judged by IBF as guilty). Suspension in badminton shouldn't happen because it is not football, no ones life is in danger. Kids can learn from that sought of behaviour in a positive or negative way. In football players are suspended because usually the action was dangerous and we don't want our kids to copy that sought of thing.

3. Don't blame the umpire, we learn this as kids. Put your hands up if you have ever made an unforced error in Badminton, umpires do to. Umpires need to have professional training to minimize mistakes, if this umpire made a mistake give training for 6 months before he can umpire another match that would be penalty enough. If the umpire is right then just leave him/her alone.

4. Referees must not be from a country represented by either player and should be selected as close to the match starting time as possible so that match fixing can't occur. Any referee seen to be antagonising a player should be fined and then reviewed to see if the incident is serious enough for dimissal.

Main thing is that Taufik should be fined if he is judged guilty. He should accept it and get over it and back to playing good Badminton. He should want to do that for himself and take some harden up obat!!

by the way, am just curious guys....What is TH's religion?

A ban for 3 to 6 months isn't that big considering he rarely cares about small tournys newayz:D:D
Who said so. After reading here and there, I conclude that Taufik's target of the year would be the Doha Asian Games in December. His target of the year not even this madrid WC.
Banning him for 3-6 can cost him and Indonesian sport the chance of winning badminton medals in the event.

Banning the umpire/referee will cost anyone what?

the ban is good and bad by ibf.
good :shows ibf is doing something.
bad: it took too long to decide, twirling their fingers.
taufik might had trained up for the 06 WC but now can't play.
It would pisses off taufik than lessen learned by taufik.

Even if he did train for WC for this year, with his past actions, I think he doesn't deserve to play. He knows it himself.

hmm, yeah, that's what i mentioned earlier in this thread. IBF needs to get both parties' side of story and confer with them first on what actually happened(ie. what was said to who, by whom etc.), before making any decision(s). If there is/are no "3rd neutral witness"(as in individual) being asked, I'm sure at least there were digicams rolling @ the time the incident happened.;)

red00ecstrat has clarified that he did not hear the argument between Taufik and the umpire referee. Cheung has clarified that she/he did not see the shuttle clearly. You will need another witness, it will be better anyone that actually heard what have been said in the incident.

i think he will never play badminton again(and the badminton world will be boring) if IBF truely ban him, becos he will feel being treated unfair by IBF, IBF should have 'a hearing' with taufik and the umpire

No, taufik-ist. If Taufik decide to retire so soon, there will be lot of Indonesian figures who will take an effort to persuade him not to retire so soon. I guess they will remind Taufik that "bangsa ini masih membutuhkan sumbangsihmu." hehehe. Maybe with lot of promises, and 'wejangan' to behave better on court. Maybe this photograph will tell you a lot. This photograph taken on Madrid airport, Sunday.
http://www.presidensby.info/index.php/galeri/album/thumb/detail/308/1725/index.html

by the way, am just curious guys....What is TH's religion?
He is Muslim..
btw..why u asked about religion?:rolleyes:

No, taufik-ist. If Taufik decide to retire so soon, there will be lot of Indonesian figures who will take an effort to persuade him not to retire so soon. I guess they will remind Taufik that "bangsa ini masih membutuhkan sumbangsihmu." hehehe. Maybe with lot of promises, and 'wejangan' to behave better on court. Maybe this photograph will tell you a lot. This photograph taken on Madrid airport, Sunday.
http://www.presidensby.info/index.php/galeri/album/thumb/detail/308/1725/index.html

Out of topic...but what is SBY doing at Madrid? :eek: To lend his support to the team? :cool:

Out of topic...but what is SBY doing at Madrid? :eek: To lend his support to the team? :cool:
hehehe, even the players were surprised. Here is news from the Jakarta Post today.

Indonesian women clear first hurdle at championships
Primastuti Handayani, The Jakarta Post, Madrid

The World Badminton Championships began Monday in Madrid, Spain, with Indonesia's unseeded women's singles and doubles players clearing their first hurdles.
Fransisca "Nana" Ratnasari, whose goal coming in was just to make the third round, got off to a shaky start before conquering her opening-day jitters and defeating the little-known Jeanine Cicognini of Switzerland 21-18, 21-17.
She said the pressure of the championships forced her into numerous unforced errors.
"It's always like this, especially in a big event. I consider myself lucky to face an unseeded player in the first round," Nana said. "I can't imagine if I had to face a seeded player in the early rounds. I would be unable to do anything."
Her next match, however, will be tougher as she meets Malaysia's Wong Mew Choo, who had to come from behind to beat Chien Yu-Chin of Chinese Taipei 18-21, 22-20, 21-10.
Nana lost to Wong in their only previous encounter, at the 2006 Uber Cup qualifying session in Jaipur, India, in February.
Wong, who also blamed nervousness for her sluggish start in her opening match, said she was confident about her chances against Nana as long as she played her "normal game".
"I played badly today, I was nervous because it's my first game," said Wong.
Indonesian team manager Lius Pongoh said Nana would have to play better in the second round Wednesday if she hoped to stay in the tournament.
"Both players have a similar type of rallying. They are both tough. It all depends on Nana. If she can minimize her unforced errors, she has a chance to win," he said.
Nana's coach Hendrawan, who won the men's singles world championship title five years ago in Seville, Spain, said although it was unlikely his player would make it past top seed Zhang Ning of China in the third round, just competing in the event was giving her precious experience.
"It was a good decision that the Badminton Association of Indonesia finally sent an inexperienced Nana to such a major event. It's better than last year (at the world championships in Anaheim, California) when we didn't send any women's singles or doubles players because the association thought they didn't have a chance (of winning)," he said recently in Jakarta ahead of the national squad's departure for Spain.
Indonesia has had only two women's world champions: Verawaty Fadjrin in 1980 and Susy Susanti in 1993.
Earlier Monday, women's doubles Jo Novita/Greysia Polii of Indonesia scored an unconvincing 21-10, 19-21, 21-9 opening round win against Rachel Van Cutsen/Paulien Van Dooremalen of the Netherlands. They will now face the Estonian pair of Piret Hamer/Helen Reino, who had a walkover win against Russia's Evgenia Dimova/Anna Efremova.
"We have to be more careful in the next match, not make too many errors," Jo said.
If they get past the Estonians, they will likely meet top seeds Gao Ling/Huang Sui in the third round.

Later Monday, men's singles Sony Dwi Kuncoro will face Raul Must of Estonia.
Defending champion Taufik Hidayat will play his first match Tuesday at 1:30 p.m.local time (6:30 p.m. in Jakarta) against Ng Wei of Hong Kong, while Indonesian men's doubles Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan will play an hour later against Ali Shahhoseini/Golam Reza Bagheri of Iran.

Taufik's preparations for the championships have been in question, especially with his poor performance in two tune-up tournaments in Korea and Hong Kong. He may also face an inquiry from the International Badminton Federation for walking off the court in Hong Kong during his match with China's Lin Dan after a questionable line call.
His coach Mulyo Handoyo earlier expressed concern Taufik didn't have the right motivation to defend his title.
"He already has it all. He won the world championship and the Olympics. I just hope I can boost his fighting spirit for the championships," he said before the team's departure last week.

Although the championships have not really grabbled the attention of people in Madrid -- the only sign outside the venue that the event is taking place is three badminton courts set up in front of the Palacio de Deportes de la Comunidad de Madrid -- Indonesian shuttlers received a surprise morale boost from the President. Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono held an impromptu meeting with the athletes while transiting at Madrid Barajas Airport after attending the Non-Aligned Movement summit in Havana, Cuba, last week.
During the meeting, Yudhoyono told the players "not to be burdened by the pressure and to just do your best at the championships".

Other results: Men's singles: Bjoern Joppien (Ger) bt Lee Yen Hui Kendrick (Sgp) 21-17, 18-21, 22-20 Joachim Persson (Den x9) bt Shon Sheung Mo (Kor) 22-20, 21-13 Women's singles: Fransisca Ratnasari (Ina) bt Jeanine Cicognini (Swi) 21-18, 21-17 Wong Mee-Chow (Mal x9) bt Chien Yu-Chin (Tpe) 18-21, 22-20, 21-10 Kaori Mori (Jpn x7) bt Anu Nieminen (Fin) 21-18, 21-11 Elin Bergblom (Swe) bt Maja Kersnik (Slo) 21-17, 21-16 Women's doubles: Jo Novita/Greysia Polii (Ina) bt Rachel Van Cutsen/Paulien Van Dooremalen (Ned) 21-10, 19]-21, 21-9 Mixed doubles: Hendra Wijaya/Fan Frances Liu (Sgp) bt Grace Daniel/Orobosa Okuonghae (Ngr) 21-8, 21-13

4. Referees must not be from a country represented by either player and should be selected as close to the match starting time as possible so that match fixing can't occur. Any referee seen to be antagonising a player should be fined and then reviewed to see if the incident is serious enough for dimissal.
..thanks for the input, Timbuctoo...Yah, i agree having a non-local referee over a tourney is an option. But i doubt they are being bias for his/her own country's players.
Hmm, I am not 100% sure abt the rules & regulations but as far as i know, usually there are 2 Referees assigned in a tourney:1 who is called the Tournament Referee, and then there is also a Deputy Referee.
And in a specific tournament, the organizer/committe has a choice to either use a *local* IBF-approved person to preside over that chosen position(s) or another foreign Referee. Thus those 2 referees are "fixed" & *can not* be selected before, during or after a specified match...;)

Who said so. After reading here and there, I conclude that Taufik's target of the year would be the Doha Asian Games in December. His target of the year not even this madrid WC.
Banning him for 3-6 can cost him and Indonesian sport the chance of winning badminton medals in the event.
..hmm, well, Taufik said the same thing at end of last yr's WC(as i was there literally sitting next to him doing the translation as a reporter asked him what is/are his next plan/goal), which he said his next target was the Asian Games(near end of last yr) and then the All-England(early this yr)...Yet, he hasn't followed thru on those words, has he?:rolleyes:...So, for us, i guess we'll just take his "words" as simply "talks", until he proves otherwise..;)
"Banning" Taufik for a specified period of time will show that PBSI has "backbone", can stand up to its principle and knows what is "the right thing to do"...Most importantly, it will show who is "running the show"..;)

red00ecstrat has clarified that he did not hear the argument between Taufik and the umpire referee. Cheung has clarified that she/he did not see the shuttle clearly. You will need another witness, it will be better anyone that actually heard what have been said in the incident.
hehe, yah, i know neither red00ecstrat nor Cheung did; i never point to a specific person to have heard the actual conversation, have I??..:rolleyes: :p ..That's why both parties have to give their own accounts first & foremost, which if they did(not sure if it's gonna be under somekind of an oath), i hope will come out 100%..;)

..hmm, well, Taufik said the same thing at end of last yr's WC(as i was there literally sitting next to him doing the translation as a reporter asked him what is/are his next plan/goal), which he said his next target was the Asian Games(near end of last yr) and then the All-England(early this yr)...Yet, he hasn't followed thru on those words, has he?:rolleyes:...So, for us, i guess we'll just take his "words" as simply "talks", until he proves otherwise..;)
There was no Asian Games near end of last year, ctcjad. What do you mean exactly?

Yes he hasn't fulfilled has words with regard to All England, but the reason was clear, he's not well-prepared due to his wedding preparation. As he said then, he prefer not go than 'daripada hasilnya tidak maksimal'.

He's true to his word with the Olympic, he's true to his words with regards to the last World Championship, yah, but not this time.

Banning Taufik is a bit heavy handed --- a fine should have sufficed. It just shows IBF is as irrational as Taufik.

Will Taufik react to this ban ? I think this would finish him -- he is likely to call it quits because it is hard to sit on the sideline for 3-6 months without playing and then to come back again.

He should go and play for a club in Denmark like Roslin, which does not come under IBF's influence, if the ban takes place. It is likely PBSI will appeal on his behalf, and I think IBF should quash the ban and impose a fine instead.

He is Muslim..
btw..why u asked about religion?:rolleyes:

u don't have to ask, u just have to read what i've written...i said i'm just curious...and i know it's a touchy question...i just want to know some facts about TH coz he's my son's idol...are you making a big deal out of it?

hehe, yah, i know neither red00ecstrat nor Cheung did; i never point to a specific person to have heard the actual conversation, have I??..:rolleyes: :p ..That's why both parties have to give their own accounts first & foremost, which if they did(not sure if it's gonna be under somekind of an oath), i hope will come out 100%..;)

ctjcad,
btw, Taufik said that his dream was to become an Olympic gold medalist and a world champion since he was so young. It took him several years for him to see his dream come true. And now, he said that he's only dream that has not been fulfilled yet is to become an All England champion. If he failed to make it this year, he still can try to make it next year, or the next year etc. Unless he decide to retire.

There was no Asian Games near end of last year, ctcjad. What do you mean exactly?

Yes he hasn't fulfilled has words with regard to All England, but the reason was clear, he's not well-prepared due to his wedding preparation. As he said then, he prefer not go than 'daripada hasilnya tidak maksimal'.

He's true to his word with the Olympic, he's true to his words with regards to the last World Championship, yah, but not this time.
sorry, thanks for the correction, Ningtyas..what i meant to say is the SEA Games (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/calendar.asp?month=11&year=2005&Submit=Submit)(which was held in Manila in late November) and maybe he mentioned abt the Asian Games (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/calendar.asp?month=09&year=2005&Submit=Submit) which was held in Hyderabad, India(in September 2005, right after WC, which i believe Sony won Gold??)...Abt the All-England, i remember he said something to the effect of "My next goal is to win the All-England(early 2005) as that is my only remaining 'prestigious' title i haven't had"..
Anyways, my point was, even with him going thru with his words of winning WC & Olympics, we can only take them as "face value" or "talks" until he actually proves it..;)

ctjcad,
btw, Taufik said that his dream was to become an Olympic gold medalist and a world champion since he was so young. It took him several years for him to see his dream come true. And now, he said that he's only dream that has not been fulfilled yet is to become an All England champion. If he failed to make it this year, he still can try to make it next year, or the next year etc. Unless he decide to retire.
..true..it's essentially up to him, if he really wants it or not..;)

sorry, thanks for the correction, Ningtyas..what i meant to say is the SEA Games(which was held in Manila in late November) and maybe he mentioned abt the Asian Games which was held in Hyderabad, India(in September 2005, right after WC, which i believe Sony won Gold??)...Abt the All-England, i remember he said something to the effect of "My next goal is to win the All-England(early 2005) as that is my only remaining 'prestigious' title i haven't had"..
Anyways, my point was, even with him going thru with his word of winning WC & Olympics, we can only take them as "face value" or "talks" until he actually proves it..;)
ctjcad, I don't believe you don't know what Asian Games mean!:p
I highly doubt that Taufik means Sea Games, when he said it was Asian Games! Thank you for confirming that Taufik has made the coming Asian Games as his target, even after winning the WC!

Last year even is Asian Championship. Asian Games is more prestigious than Asian Championship, it's like an Olympic but only in Asian level. The last time we had it in Busan Korea, 2002, where Taufik was the gold medallist for MS.
The next is the one in Qatar. It is held every 4 years. :p

It is likely PBSI will appeal on his behalf, and I think IBF should quash the ban and impose a fine instead.
..hmm, i understand what he did wasn't as severe as what Sigit did..But perhaps a "somewhere in the middle" disciplinary action/solution could be him still playing but under somekind of a probation period(being monitored say for 6 months to 1 yr max.). Thus if he fails to follow thru on those terms, then they can put another action....Sigh, it's too bad such a professional athlete, an OC and WC & 2 times IBF Player of the Year has to be subjected to these..:rolleyes: :p

ctjcad, I don't believe you don't know what Asian Games mean!:p
I highly doubt that Taufik means Sea Games, when he said it was Asian Games! Thank you for confirming that Taufik has made the coming Asian Games as his target, even after winning the WC!

Last year even is Asian Championship. Asian Games is more prestigious than Asian Championship, it's like an Olympic but only in Asian level. The last time we had it in Busan Korea, 2002, where Taufik was the gold medallist for MS.
The next is the one in Qatar. It is held every 4 years. :p
aih, sorry2, for the typos(i tried to edit but time ran out and i was typing other stuff, lots of things going on in my mind at the same time:p)...Yah, i know what's Asian Games...;) I meant to say the Asian Championship, for the link, that was held last September. Yah, i remember now, it was the SEA Games which Taufik mentioned, as his next goal along with the AE, after the WC...He kind of mentioned a bit abt the Asian Games, which is this yr, but not in detail..
Anyways, enough already, as we're getting off topic now...:p:)

Yah, i know what's Asian Games...;) I meant to say the Asian Championship, for the link, that was held last September. Yah, i remember now, it was the SEA Games which Taufik mentioned, as his next goal along with the AE, after the WC...He kind of mentioned a bit abt the Asian Games, which is this yr, but not in detail..

Well..representing Indonesia in winning an Asian Games Gold medal is indeed a great achievement since Asian Games is considered as the second Olympics...even more prestigious than the Commonwealth Games.

Sorry for changing the subject a little here, but I just read this at the new Badzine.info site:

“I feel good and I will do all I can to retain my title, but my main target this year is the Asian Games. I have no injuries and I felt quite good, not bothered by the wind. I would like to apologise for withdrawing in Hong Kong, but I still think something should be done about the line judging”

Any confirmation he said that? Sorry if I completely missed it! If it is true, well then there's our apology. I'm happy with that :). He's sticking to what he believes, but apologising to those that don't agree with his actions.

EDIT: Oh and of course here's the link:
http://www.badzine.info/content/view/24/2/

Sorry for changing the subject a little here, but I just read this at the new Badzine.info site:

“I feel good and I will do all I can to retain my title, but my main target this year is the Asian Games. I have no injuries and I felt quite good, not bothered by the wind. I would like to apologise for withdrawing in Hong Kong, but I still think something should be done about the line judging”

Any confirmation he said that? Sorry if I completely missed it! If it is true, well then there's our apology. I'm happy with that :). He's sticking to what he believes, but apologising to those that don't agree with his actions.

EDIT: Oh and of course here's the link:
http://www.badzine.info/content/view/24/2/
ah...i would think that's a legit statement by Taufik himself and am happy to hear that from him..thank you for the link, phaarix..;):cool:

Sorry for changing the subject a little here, but I just read this at the new Badzine.info site:

“I feel good and I will do all I can to retain my title, but my main target this year is the Asian Games. I have no injuries and I felt quite good, not bothered by the wind.

Watch out LD!!!!:) He will keep his promise made in the last TC

..hmm, i understand what he did wasn't as severe as what Sigit did..But perhaps a "somewhere in the middle" disciplinary action/solution could be him still playing but under somekind of a probation period(being monitored say for 6 months to 1 yr max.). Thus if he fails to follow thru on those terms, then they can put another action....Sigh, it's too bad such a professional athlete, an OC and WC & 2 times IBF Player of the Year has to be subjected to these..:rolleyes: :p


Well, hope he learns (and he did say he was wrong in walking off) from this reagrdless of what happens next. I think Taufik's action was unneccsary but things done cannot be undone.

Taufik has already apologised. Let us wait patiently till this Saturday as IBF is expected to meet and discuss Taufik's case. The decision could be a suspension, a fine or a warning or whatever. Since he's still allowed to play in this WC, let's us all enjoy his game as he still plays beautifully ... especially his backhand smashes and drives ...... My wish is to see him play a titanic match against the cocky Lin Dan (sorry Lin Dan's fans!) this coming weekend ..... and see who is the real master of the beautiful game of badminton .....

i think TH apology to the HK fans had cleared some air about his reasons to w/o at the hko. However, he also should apologize to the linelady for making his gestures. According to TH/pbsi, it was the umpire he had the beef with. Anyway, lets move on. Now the ibf look bad because they are dragging this incident for too long.

i think TH apology to the HK fans had cleared some air about his reasons to w/o at the hko. However, he also should apologize to the linelady for making his gestures. According to TH/pbsi, it was the umpire he had the beef with. Anyway, lets move on. Now the ibf look bad because they are dragging this incident for too long.
well, at least he has said somekind of an apology...It's a crucial first step(esp. from a player of his caliber) and hopefully it will lead to more "peaceful" resolution(s)..;):cool:

...supposed to be today...within a few hours, Taufik(his coach and PBSI camp) will convene and join the IBF meeting to find out his fate....anyone there following this news??..elwin81??..or anyone else??..please let us know as soon as it breaks-thanks:confused: ;)

..sorry guys...just want to know abt any news as it's nearing Sunday in Madrid already & i can't find any news at the official IBF website...or IBF still mulling over this??..thx-;)

I'm waiting for the news too, didn't they say the result will be out on Saturday?

I'm standing on Taufik's side... i think except for the disappointing walkover in HK open, he did everything right. IBF will have to do something to get the line judgement fair and clear

I'm standing on Taufik's side... i think except for the disappointing walkover in HK open, he did everything right. IBF will have to do something to get the line judgement fair and clear
Taufik's request for IBF to "do something to get the line judgment fair and square"(after what happened in the HK Open) has been taken into consideration(in a recent article released by IBF). And you may argue for him on that issue.
However, what IBF is supposedly "focusing" on now is what to do with Taufik's behavior at the HK Open. Which i'm hope you're not "defending" him. If you do, you may want to compare what Taufik did for losing 1 point against what ZhangYW went thru for losing 11 points(even if part of it was her fault), yet she didn't stormed-off the court and kept on playing..:rolleyes: ;)

Taufik's request for IBF to "do something to get the line judgment fair and square"(after what happened in the HK Open) has been taken into consideration(in a recent article released by IBF). And you may argue for him on that issue.
However, what IBF is supposedly "focusing" on now is what to do with Taufik's behavior at the HK Open. Which i'm hope you're not "defending" him. If you do, you may want to compare what Taufik did for losing 1 point against what ZhangYW went thru for losing 11 points(even if part of it was her fault), yet she didn't stormed-off the court and kept on playing..:rolleyes: ;)

You are right, that's y I said 'Except for the disappointing walkover in HK open, he did everything right'

You are right, that's y I said 'Except for the disappointing walkover in HK open, he did everything right'
..ehmm, i do not think IBF is concerned at all for anything pre or post the recent HK Open, even if Taufik "did everything right" before or after that tourney..;)

..ehmm, i do not think IBF is concerned at all for anything pre or post the recent HK Open, even if Taufik "did everything right" before or after that..;)

But I hope with Taufik's walkover, IBF will take on this matter pretty seriously, we wouldnt want to see simliar things happen just because of the line judge

But I hope with Taufik's walkover, IBF will take on this matter pretty seriously, we wouldnt want to see simliar things happen just because of the line judge
..well, we'll see what happens next with IBF's decision on "improving linejudging calls so it's fair & square"...but that's another different issue to deal with..;)

I'm standing on Taufik's side... i think except for the disappointing walkover in HK open, he did everything right. IBF will have to do something to get the line judgement fair and clear

Totally agree with you.The only people TH has to apologise to are the badminton fans at HKO and he has done that. IBF must make it clear to BAs that IBF standards (do they have any?) of umpiring and line judging must be observed instead of customised and modified as we've seen in HKO. Otherwise they risk losing the right to be part of the Super Series starting 2007. I believe TO would be a good alternative to HKO and I don't see why the key sponsor, Siam Cement, cannot come out with the money,especially when Thai players can be a force to be reckoned with if they have half the kind of support that BAM has.
IBF cannot punish TH because they have not done so to LD. LD's behaviour is worse because LD was unprovoked whereas TH was. LD behaved like a little boy who, after performing, threw tantrums because he did not get the present he wanted. TH refused to perform because he smelled a rat and he's allergic to rats. LD made the BAM organisers in Kuching look like idiots in their innocence to bestow upon him the status of an honoured warrior.(Has LD apologised,btw?)
TH should be recognised for his uncompromising stand that badminton players are not monkeys, with line judges and umpires calling the shots.Badminton aces are gifted people but they have to slog years before they reach the level for badminton fans to enjoy and appreciate their gifts.Many never make it to the world stage. The ones who do ,are rightly stars but does IBF accord them that status? It's high time that badminton stars get better treatment and recognition.

He will not be banned.Hahaha,hope he dose better in Asian Games

Taufik got a light punishment. Well i would not say that is a punisment per se. What he got is his Ranking Points deducted and consolation prize money for the round that he got during the HKO.
So some of us got their wish granted that Taufik didnt get ban from competing.

Taufik got a light punishment. Well i would not say that is a punisment per se. What he got is his Ranking Points deducted and consolation prize money for the round that he got during the HKO.
So some of us got their wish granted that Taufik didnt get ban from competing.

You are sounding like TH got a discount. Well, in that case, for IBF to remain credible, they must review LD's case and mete out similar punishment with less discount.What say you, IBF? Should LD get away or should your credibility go down the drain? If not, IBF could be accused of showing favouritism.

IBF cannot punish TH because they have not done so to LD. LD's behaviour is worse because LD was unprovoked whereas TH was. LD behaved like a little boy who, after performing, threw tantrums because he did not get the present he wanted. TH refused to perform because he smelled a rat and he's allergic to rats. LD made the BAM organisers in Kuching look like idiots in their innocence to bestow upon him the status of an honoured warrior.(Has LD apologised,btw?)..yes, LD has made an apology on his behavior in the recent MO..(please see the Malaysian Open thread to find the info)..
TH should be recognised for his uncompromising stand that badminton players are not monkeys, with line judges and umpires calling the shots.Badminton aces are gifted people but they have to slog years before they reach the level for badminton fans to enjoy and appreciate their gifts.Many never make it to the world stage. The ones who do ,are rightly stars but does IBF accord them that status? It's high time that badminton stars get better treatment and recognition.On TH, he *should be the one owing* to the fans/crowd for coming to watch & support him. The fans/supporters *don't owe him* anything. Remember, the prize monies given at tournaments come at the expense of the sponsors, who in turn rely on the support of the people/fans/crowd coming to watch.
No matter how much training those top players had thruout their yrs, they are playing for the National team. And National teams(BAM, PBSI etc.) in most cases get their main "financial" support from the public/citizens/fans. Unless top gifted players like Taufik wants to compete using solely their own money??..:rolleyes: ;)

..please go to this thread:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=441534#post441534

i read in indonesian newspaper today (kompas) ibf will not ban the match for taufik, his punishment only he won't get the prize and point in HKO, the reason because taufik made popular badminton in all the world,

he more popular than lin dan that's why lindan will never beat him eventhough he won olympic medal, many people said badminton is taufik nowsday