Who wil be the champion of Men Single game?

[Torres]

lose or win is a common thing for TH..

it's rite that TH is not kind of consistent player like LD, but if he intends to win.. he will win :D... :p

before he won olympic 2004 (defeated SSM) , he was in declining stage (unseeded player),
before he won wc 2005 (defeated Lindan).. he was also in declining stage
before he won asian games 2006 (defeated Lindan) he was also in declining stage (unseeded player)

i think he is the only player who can change from 'declining stage' to be 'inclining stage' instantly :D :D :p

He is not the only one player who can do the same.
Taufik was the favorite to win AE 00 title before the event was started. But, Xia Xuanze outplayed him in the final.

In 2001, Xia also in declining stage, but he can win World Grand Prix Finals Title, beat Marleve Mainaky in the final.

In 2003, he can win the World Championships title, despite the emerge of China's young guns likes Lin Dan & BCL.

[robin7]

lose or win is a common thing for TH..

it's rite that TH is not kind of consistent player like LD, but if he intends to win.. he will win :D... :p

before he won olympic 2004 (defeated SSM) , he was in declining stage (unseeded player),
before he won wc 2005 (defeated Lindan).. he was also in declining stage
before he won asian games 2006 (defeated Lindan) he was also in declining stage (unseeded player)

i think he is the only player who can change from 'declining stage' to be 'inclining stage' instantly :D :D :p


If he want to win, he will win? Really sure about it? How about Ina SS 07?
Undoubtedly he want to break Ardi BW's record, but in fact, he loses to BCL in front of his home crowd.

I totally agreed with taufik-ist. Taufik Hidayat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taufik_Hidayat) chooses when to win & he is the only player who have won OG (04), WC (05), AG (02 & 06) & ABC (00, 04 & 07).:D

Btw, TH has 6 IO titles versus Ardy Wiranata's 5. So winning a 7th IO title is just a bonus for TH. Check it out (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/superseries/indonesia/men_single.html)!:D

[Torres]

I totally agreed with taufik-ist. Taufik Hidayat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taufik_Hidayat) chooses when to win & he is the only player who have won OG (04), WC (05), AG (02 & 06) & ABC (00, 04 & 07).:D

Btw, TH has 6 IO titles versus Ardy Wiranata's 5. So winning a 7th IO title is just a bonus for TH. Check it out (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/superseries/indonesia/men_single.html)!:D

Ardy won it for 6 times.

[robin7]

Ardy won it for 6 times.
Yup, u r right, Ardy won it in 90-92, 94-95 & 97.:p

[jeremyjuve]

to be really honest, im gonna say it base on my head rather than my heart..
I think it's gonna be between LD, LCW & TH with CJ as the fourth favorite to clinch the MS title...PG has an outside chance but he will need almost everything to go his way (luck,stamina,line judges etc.)...if the event is not held in M'sia, i will have to say that LD is likeliest to win it but since it will be held in B.Jalil, many MAS fans will be cheering for our MS hero (including me),i will say LCW55% - LD45%, TH49% - LCW51% (don't forget there r lots of INA supporters here as well & if TH really wants it) & TH51% - LD49%....

[koo_fan]

I totally agreed with taufik-ist. Taufik Hidayat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taufik_Hidayat) chooses when to win & he is the only player who have won OG (04), WC (05), AG (02 & 06) & ABC (00, 04 & 07).:D

Btw, TH has 6 IO titles versus Ardy Wiranata's 5. So winning a 7th IO title is just a bonus for TH. Check it out (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/superseries/indonesia/men_single.html)!:D
Huuh... is TH is that powerful??.he can choose whether he's gonna win or lose.??So theres a time that it is triumph or failure?? thats too much.he is special but not that powerful

[george@chongwei]

Taufik always very strong and power when he plays in big tournament like WC and olympics....

[ctjcad]

..mighty difficult for Taufik, if he even comes, to win the WC title this year..Why do i think so? Remember when he won the 2004 Olympics, 2005 World Championships and this past Asian Games in Doha, Ami Gumelar *was in attendance*, accompanying, cheering & supporting him...But this time around, hmmmm, he'll be playing whilst his wife and baby are back home...So, the way i see it, it will be tough..But, you never know, there's always a first time for everything..:p;)

[nauyuchi]

yeah!! i am predicting that LCW will. jiayou!!

[robin7]

Huuh... is TH is that powerful??.he can choose whether he's gonna win or lose.??So theres a time that it is triumph or failure?? thats too much.he is special but not that powerful

What I'm trying to say is that TH can deliver MOST of the time (I'm not saying all the time) if he decides to win. Nobody can underestimate him anytime anywhere anyhow.

A quick look at Taufik’s recent record will show that he has the tendency to under-perform, even throw away matches sometimes, in lead-up tournaments to a major event.

Taufik lost to Ng Wei of Hong Kong in the third round of the Malaysia Open in 2004 then went on to win the Athens Olympics gold medal a month later.

The Indonesian’s 15-5, 15-0 loss to eventual winner Chong Wei in the quarter-finals of the 2005 Malaysia Open turned out to be a false alarm as he went on to convincingly beat the Malaysian in the semi-finals en route to the World title in Anaheim several weeks later.

Taufik’s loss to unheralded Nguyen Thien Minh of Vietnam in the second round of the Philippines Open recently should be a warning to his rivals that he is pacing himself and taking him lightly in the World Championships will be foolhardy.

Source: NST Online (http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/Sport/20070730092810/Article/index_html)

Note: The way TH beat LD in WC05 & AG06 reminds me of how Serena Williams demolished Maria Sharapova in this year's Australian Open (61 62) & Miami Open (61 61).

[ants]

LinDans dominance in this year's WC seems shaky based on his recent performance. But we cannot count him out. I'm sure he will be ready to win the WC.

[Badmintan]

So far from watching the games, it's down to about 5 players to beat out of the top 10.

My opinion so far about the top 10

Lin Dan = attacker (jump smash) par excellence and extremely methodical but hampered by injury.
Taufik = outstanding all round player with a 'out of this world' backhand but lack the consistency.
Lee Chong Wei = defender par excellence and lightning quick with a good counter attack
Boonsak = steadily improving intelligent player with a very deceptive wrist
Chen Hong = aging great player with championship veteran smarts

Pretenders
Bao Chun lai = excellent player with deceptive languid style but lacking 'the coup de grace' in the finals.
Chen Yu= excellent methodical player but could not overcome the top players in the finals
Peter Gade = A true badminton great slowed by injuries.
Chen Jin= great all around player but could not overshadow more flamboyant player
Kenneth Jonassen = aging great Dane

Conclusion
It's down to Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei this year....Lee Chong Wei had a better start this year....so far...but the Chinese Ace is still the player to beat.
So I pick one of these 2 to be crowned world champion by the end of this year....

[Ai Mei]

no one here choose Bao???
Bao Chunlai jiayou..i always support you ^^
go go Bao!

[Joyous]

no one here choose Bao???
Bao Chunlai jiayou..i always support you ^^
go go Bao!


Don't worry Ai Mei, if there is any consolation for the moment, the poll at Badzine says BCL is leading by prediction to win the WC '07.

[Ai Mei]

Don't worry Ai Mei, if there is any consolation for the moment, the poll at Badzine says BCL is leading by prediction to win the WC '07.

one of them is me...^^
i wish it would happen :D:D:D

[koo_fan]

Sorry . i doubt if BCL can do something in WC.If u talk about last month Bcl,i will agree but for now,i cannot see his chance to win.

[samuel882]

Seeding report just out.. BCL might be meeting with LD in SF.. So lets cheers for him to win against LD... Clear the path for LCW ..:)

[taufik-ist]

Seeding report just out.. BCL might be meeting with LD in SF.. So lets cheers for him to win against LD... Clear the path for LCW ..:)

where is it ?..............

[samuel882]

where is it ?..............

Chked this out --> http://www.internationalbadminton.org/draws.asp;)

[Felicia_txh]

Now,the draw is out now..TH will meet LD in QF( an exciting match )..LCW's draw is much more easier but he might face CJ o CY in semifinal..As i noe,LCW din met CY o CJ after he had bounced back..I m quite worry bout him..:(:(

[samuel882]

Now,the draw is out now..TH will meet LD in QF( an exciting match )..LCW's draw is much more easier but he might face CJ o CY in semifinal..As i noe,LCW din met CY o CJ after he had bounced back..I m quite worry bout him..:(:(
From the way LCW plays. His confidence growth rapidly in the later stages in a tournament.. So, there wont be much hurdle in the SF for him. But hopes he keeps his concentration in the early round to avoid being eliminated as in MO07..

[TKG2609]

Only Lindan, Taufik n Lee Chong Wei can win this tournament ... Lindan like always, he is the the favourite ... Taufik, just got a baby girl, can encourage him to win the title .... Lee Chong Wei has a lot of supports from his country people in malaysia .....so exciting tournament .....

[TKG2609]

but i hope lindan as my idol or taufik as my country man will win this title .... sorry LCW fans, hehehehehe

[george@chongwei]

GO LEE CHONG WEI GO..... MALAYSIA HERO!!! I AM SURE lcw WILL TRY HIS BEST TO WIN THE TITLE

[TKG2609]

I think Peter gade will beat Lee Chong Wei, Chen Yu beat Chen Jin, Lindan/Taufik beat Bao ..... n who win between taufik n lindan will win this tournament ......

[TKG2609]

a lot supports from fans in malaysia will make lee chong wei unbeatable or lose in the early matchs ..... someone can give opinion ?

[samuel882]

LCW will keeps his feet on the ground & stay focus in this WC. He know this will be the 1st & only chance for him to win the World Champion !

[george@chongwei]

I think Peter gade will beat Lee Chong Wei, Chen Yu beat Chen Jin, Lindan/Taufik beat Bao ..... n who win between taufik n lindan will win this tournament ......
if like that, all the MAS fans will :mad::mad: at u....

[TKG2609]

sure .... if anybody here only supports lee chong wei ...make it so boring .... hehehehehe .....next time cu all in this forum when the tournament already begin ...... tkg2609, taufik-ist, indra, Super-Dan vs Lee Chong Wei Fans ....

[TKG2609]

i think chong wei has so many pressure when he plays in the bgig tournament in maysia (exclude the Malaysia Open) ....

[TKG2609]

but stll my prediction only this 3 (Lindan, Taufik, LCW) can win this tournament .... i hope so

[samuel882]

I fink there are not many "rare species" in this BC forum who is "neutral" and ONLY love to watch Great Games between All those Big names here

[TKG2609]

the final should be Lindan/Taufik vs Lee CW/Peter Gade

[Pemuda]

Skills wise I would say Lin Dan & LCW is about the same. But the difference is mental strength. And in this area, I rate Lin Dan above LCW.

Historically, Msian players main weakness is more mental than technical skills. In this aspect, I predict Lin Dan to win the WC men singles. But I also Peter Gade can spring a surprise in this tournament. He has been a model pro in my books.

[TKG2609]

perfect final Lindan vs Lee Chong wei ... but it can be a surprised final .... Taufik vs Peter Gade ...hehehehe

[volcom]

Don't write off anybody I say

[TKG2609]

my fault...sorry

[samuel882]

Don't write off anybody I say

Totally agreed with you :) This edition of WC07 will be 1 of the closest affair

[george@chongwei]

anything can happen in tis WC2007

[badminto_expert]

No Lah. After Taufik got a child. He said: don't want retired early. He want to play until 2010.


TH will win....coz i think....maybe this is his last world championship.....when he won at Asian Games.....cos..he had the same thought......Asian Games 2006 was his last Asian Games.....

[samuel882]

No Lah. After Taufik got a child. He said: don't want retired early. He want to play until 2010.

rEALLY? wHERE do u get this source frm? IF it was true.. This will be VERY GOOD news for his fans ;)

[indra]

A mental tremor is now occuring in the China's MS...TH will bury LD's dream of defending the title...

This is a perfect moment for TH. His newly-born baby girl will strongly motivate him to perform his best...I am beginning to feel that TH will win this championship this time...:)

[2cents]

A mental tremor is now occuring in the China's MS...TH will bury LD's dream of defending the title...

This is a perfect moment for TH. His newly-born baby girl will strongly motivate him to perform his best...I am beginning to feel that TH will win this championship this time...:)

indra, have you ever lost your feeling:confused:

[Han]

A mental tremor is now occuring in the China's MS...TH will bury LD's dream of defending the title...

This is a perfect moment for TH. His newly-born baby girl will strongly motivate him to perform his best...I am beginning to feel that TH will win this championship this time...:)

Lets hope Taufik don't stay too late to change his daughter diapers and drain all his energy :D Everyone has his/her own motivation to win, however, still need to play hard to achieve that.

[X Ball]

A mental tremor is now occuring in the China's MS...TH will bury LD's dream of defending the title...

This is a perfect moment for TH. His newly-born baby girl will strongly motivate him to perform his best...I am beginning to feel that TH will win this championship this time...:)

This feeling that you talked about - where does it generate from ? Is it from the heart, the mind, or As.? :)

[indra]

This feeling that you talked about - where does it generate from ? Is it from the heart, the mind, or As.? :)

It is not from the heart nor the mind, it comes from my sixth sense...:D

To all Malaysian fans...please be prepared to be dissapointed...I don't think LCW will progress to the Semi Final...It is Simon (the Giant Killer) who will make all LCW's fans cry....:D

[huangkwokhau]

It is not from the heart nor the mind, it comes from my sixth sense...:D

To all Malaysian fans...please be prepared to be dissapointed...I don't think LCW will progress to the Semi Final...It is Simon (the Giant Killer) who will make all LCW's fans cry....:D
Actually Sony will meet LCW in 3rd round if everything goes smoothly...Sony is capable to beat LCW like in the past but Sony lost to LCW recently ( not in PO as Sony retired)...so it will be interesting match and hope LCW focuses on Sony before thinking way ahead....one at a time...good luck to both..;)

[huangkwokhau]

No Lah. After Taufik got a child. He said: don't want retired early. He want to play until 2010.
Where do you get that? just 2 days ago..he said that he would retire after Olympic 2008......

[2cents]

This feeling that you talked about - where does it generate from ? Is it from the heart, the mind, or As.? :)


It is not from the heart nor the mind, it comes from my sixth sense....:D


Are you two guys talking about the same thing?

X Ball's As. = indra's sixth sense ?

[X Ball]

It is not from the heart nor the mind, it comes from my sixth sense...:D

To all Malaysian fans...please be prepared to be dissapointed...I don't think LCW will progress to the Semi Final...It is Simon (the Giant Killer) who will make all LCW's fans cry....:D

Well we know your sixth sense is not working, as shown many times before. And so the Malaysian fans will not be awed by your statements.

However, if you have been ignoring the draws, Simon could be knocked out by Nguyen Tien Minh in the 1st round. Now if he happens to survive, PG is there to finish him off. And if he gets round that, all LCW has to do 'is play with his left hand' to end his journey. Think about that. It does not augur well for poor young Simon OR your dream.:D

[george@chongwei]

and indra, remember that nguyen tien minh had beaten taufik before at the PO.

[X Ball]

Are you two guys talking about the same thing?

X Ball's As. = indra's sixth sense


Not equal. My As. is still working well, his sixth sense is not !

[ronnie14]

LCW or LD or TH.. sounds fair right? hehheh :)

[2cents]

Not equal. My As. is still working well, his sixth sense is not !

Well, both are beyond the grasp of ordinary people's hands. :confused:

Untouchable stuff :D

[2cents]

by the way,

Chong Wei LEE beat Simon SANTOSO on May 13 2007 at DJARUM INDONESIA SUPER SERIES.

Simon has never won against LCW according to IBF official head to head records

[indra]

Well we know your sixth sense is not working, as shown many times before. And so the Malaysian fans will not be awed by your statements.

However, if you have been ignoring the draws, Simon could be knocked out by Nguyen Tien Minh in the 1st round. Now if he happens to survive, PG is there to finish him off. And if he gets round that, all LCW has to do 'is play with his left hand' to end his journey. Think about that. It does not augur well for poor young Simon OR your dream.:D

Simon has demonstrated a tremendous physical and mental progress and strengths. NTM is not strong enough to defeat Simon, while PG has now been declining.

If all LCW has to do "is play with his left hand", please do so...and Simon will be happy to "play with his eyes closed"...:D

[indra]

Where do you get that? just 2 days ago..he said that he would retire after Olympic 2008......

It is from BATAM POST

Taufik Hidayat Batalkan Rencana Pensiun
http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/pdf_button.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=27375) http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/printButton.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27375&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=97) http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/emailButton.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=27375&itemid=97) Sabtu, 04 Agustus 2007 Pebulu tangkis nasional Taufik Hidayat menjadi ayah. Sang istri, Ami Gumelar, melahirkan anak perempuan, buah cinta pertama mereka berdua. Bayi dengan bobot 3,5 kilogram dan panjang 50 sentimeter itu lahir melalui persalinan alami di Rumah Sakit Bersalin Asih pukul 08.05 kemarin. Si kecil langsung diberi nama Natarina Alika Hidayat. ”Natarina itu Ami yang kasih. Alika berasal dari bahasa Arab, artinya cinta. Kalau Hidayat, kan bapaknya,” kata Linda, ibunda Ami saat ditemui di rumah sakit Asih, kemarin (3/8).

Taufik merasa terharu dengan perjuangan Ami dan kehadiran anaknya. Dia menuturkan bahwa dirinya membawa Ami ke rumah sakit sekitar pukul 02.00 dini hari kemarin. ”Saya lihat semua prosesnya. Saya tidak tinggalkan sedikit pun ruang persalinan,” ceritanya.

Kehadiran Natarina langsung mengubah rencana Taufik. Tadinya, dia akan pensiun dini. Namun kini, peraih medali emas Asian Games 2006 itu bertekad ingin terus berkarir di dunia yang melambungkan namanya itu. ”Saya akan terus main. Saya ingin anak saya bisa lihat saya bertanding,” tuturnya.

Agum Gumelar tidak kalah senangnya menerima anugerah cucu pertama. Terhitung kemarin, dirinya sudah berubah status menjadi kakek. Agum mengaku tidak sabar ingin segera memomong cucu. ”Saya dengar, kakek sama cucu itu, kalau kakeknya panglima, anaknya pangdam,” kata mantan ketua KONI itu.
(jpnn)

[tjl_vanguard]

LCW or LD or TH.. sounds fair right? hehheh :)
u ppl will all be left crying when they all got WACHAED by our new wacha-man!!! :D hahaha

[samuel882]

It is from BATAM POST

Taufik Hidayat Batalkan Rencana Pensiun
http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/pdf_button.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=27375) http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/printButton.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27375&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=97) http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/emailButton.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=27375&itemid=97) Sabtu, 04 Agustus 2007 Pebulu tangkis nasional Taufik Hidayat menjadi ayah. Sang istri, Ami Gumelar, melahirkan anak perempuan, buah cinta pertama mereka berdua. Bayi dengan bobot 3,5 kilogram dan panjang 50 sentimeter itu lahir melalui persalinan alami di Rumah Sakit Bersalin Asih pukul 08.05 kemarin. Si kecil langsung diberi nama Natarina Alika Hidayat. ”Natarina itu Ami yang kasih. Alika berasal dari bahasa Arab, artinya cinta. Kalau Hidayat, kan bapaknya,” kata Linda, ibunda Ami saat ditemui di rumah sakit Asih, kemarin (3/8).

Taufik merasa terharu dengan perjuangan Ami dan kehadiran anaknya. Dia menuturkan bahwa dirinya membawa Ami ke rumah sakit sekitar pukul 02.00 dini hari kemarin. ”Saya lihat semua prosesnya. Saya tidak tinggalkan sedikit pun ruang persalinan,” ceritanya.

Kehadiran Natarina langsung mengubah rencana Taufik. Tadinya, dia akan pensiun dini. Namun kini, peraih medali emas Asian Games 2006 itu bertekad ingin terus berkarir di dunia yang melambungkan namanya itu. ”Saya akan terus main. Saya ingin anak saya bisa lihat saya bertanding,” tuturnya.

Agum Gumelar tidak kalah senangnya menerima anugerah cucu pertama. Terhitung kemarin, dirinya sudah berubah status menjadi kakek. Agum mengaku tidak sabar ingin segera memomong cucu. ”Saya dengar, kakek sama cucu itu, kalau kakeknya panglima, anaknya pangdam,” kata mantan ketua KONI itu.
(jpnn)

Any TRanslation ?

[samuel882]

WAt LCW needs to do is : Beat 2 INA Players & two CHN Players then the champion is on his hand !

[tjl_vanguard]

indra, have you ever lost your feeling:confused:
apparently......................



NOT............................ hahahah :D

[indra]

[quote=indra;628394]It is from BATAM POST

Taufik Hidayat has cancelled his early retirement
http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/pdf_button.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=27375) http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/printButton.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27375&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=97) http://batampos.co.id/images/M_images/emailButton.png (http://batampos.co.id/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=27375&itemid=97) Saturday, 04 August 2007 Taufik Hidayat has now become a father. His wife, Ami Gumelar, gave birth to a 3.5 kg and 50-cm baby girl at Asih Hospital at 08.05 yesterday. The baby's name is Natarina Alika Hidayat. ”Ami gave the name of Natarina. Alika comes from Arabic, which means "love" and Hidayat is the name of the baby's father ,” said Linda, Ami's mother yesterday (3/8).

Taufik felt touched with Ami's struggle and the birth of his baby. He said that he took Ami to the hospital at 02.00 a.m yesterday. ”I witnessed the whole process [of delivery]. I was there ,” he said.

The birth of Natarina has instantly changed his plan of early retirement. But now he is determined to focus on his badminton career. " I will continue playing. I want my daughter to watch me play ,” he said.

Agum Gumelar is a very happy grandfather now. Natarina is his first grandchild. Since yesterday he has now become a grandfather. Agum admitted that he was impatient to kiss his grandchild.
(jpnn)

[tjl_vanguard]

haha.. im a malaysian but i'll take this challenge haha..

Sat, 4 August, 2007 - National badminton player, Taufik Hidayat, is now a father. Wife, Ami Gumelar, gave birth to a baby girl, the fruit of love of the duo. The baby weighs 3.5kg and is 50cm tall was born at Rumah Sakit Bersalin Asih at 8.05 (am?? pm???) yesterday. The baby was given the name Natarina Alika Hidayat. "The name Natarina was given by Ami. Alika, in Arabian language means love. Hidayat is from the father," said Linda, Ami's mother when was met at the Rumah Sakit (hospital i suppose).

Taufik was touched by his wife's struggle and his baby girl's birth. He said that he himself brought Ami to the hospital around 2.00 yesterday. "I saw the whole process. I never left the room even a second," he said.

Natarina's presence change Taufik's thought. The 2006 Asian Games Gold Medallist said that he will continue his career in international sport that has raised his name. "I want my child to be able to see me play," he said.

[tjl_vanguard]

aiks.. haha indra was 8mins faster.. :D

[samuel882]

Thanks anyway for both of ur effort
:p

[X Ball]

NTM is not strong enough to defeat Simon, while PG has now been declining.



NTM is not strong enough ? He beat Taufik in the last tournament. PG declining, who says so -- you ? Last year we said the same of PG in the MO and guess what, he won the title. Of course, I know you are trying to be mischievous here. And I am half-entertaining you of course.;)

[tjl_vanguard]

who is that NTM???

[ctjcad]

indra, have you ever lost your feeling:confused:
..i think indra might be "re-born", at the same time with the birth of Taufik's child, with the news that Taufik is planning to keep on playing after the Olympics..:);)

who is that NTM???
..Vietnam player, Nguyen Tien Minh..;)

[tjl_vanguard]

owh.. nguyen... thanks.. :D

[TKG2609]

before final, i think lee chong wei only need 2 worry to peter gade ....

[TKG2609]

no need 2 worry to chen jin, chen yu, sony or simon .... after beat peter gade, he only need 2 concentrate to lindan or taufik ....

[TKG2609]

but i m still thinking taufik or lindan will win this time.... lindan 45 %: taufik 30 % : lee chong wei 25 % .....

[Han]

no need 2 worry to chen jin, chen yu, sony or simon .... after beat peter gade, he only need 2 concentrate to lindan or taufik ....

Don't worry too much, if Chong Wei play his normal game then he should be in the Final, to beat Lin Dan or Taufik in the Final then he need to play better than normal.

[samuel882]

ya.. he needs extra-ordinary power to beat one of them

[TKG2609]

maybe he still can beat taufik but 2 beat lindan ...i m not so sure ....

[X Ball]

I dare say no Malaysian fan is worried. Only INA fans are....it is shown by the fact that Indra is even mooting Simon can beat LCW showing how desperate he needs to have INA winning.

Well sorry pal, we are not worried one iorta. Everything to-date points to a very good WC for the Malaysian men players.

[indra]

I dare say no Malaysian fan is worried. Only INA fans are....it is shown by the fact that Indra is even mooting Simon can beat LCW showing how desperate he needs to have INA winning.

Well sorry pal, we are not worried one iorta. Everything to-date points to a very good WC for the Malaysian men players.

History will repeat itself....

Malaysian shuttlers are normally not able to live up to their supporters' expectations when they are under pressure or when they are fully aware that their supporters expect them to win.....

LCW is now fully aware of this condition...The more LCW is aware of this condition, the better this will be for his opponents including Simon....I exclude SOny as the strong candidate because Sony is not sure whether he will go or not due to his back injury he suffered during the PO.

Regarding TH, he has been reborn...He is now turning over a totally new leaf after the birth of his daughter....His decision to change his plan and wants to focus in the badminton career indicates that his daughter has changed his whole life...

So ...please be prepared to watch a new TH and SImon....don't be surprised if they both will defeat their opponents in straight sets...don't be surpised....

[gidong]

History will repeat itself....

Malaysian shuttlers are normally not able to live up to their supporters' expectations when they are under pressure or when they are fully aware that their supporters expect them to win.....

LCW is now fully aware of this condition...The more LCW is aware of this condition, the better this will be for his opponents including Simon....I exclude SOny as the strong candidate because Sony is not sure whether he will go or not due to his back injury he suffered during the PO.

Regarding TH, he has been reborn...He is now turning over a totally new leaf after the birth of his daughter....His decision to change his plan and wants to focus in the badminton career indicates that his daughter has changed his whole life...

So ...please be prepared to watch a new TH and SImon....don't be surprised if they both will defeat their opponents in straight sets...don't be surpised....

Beside I'm not surpise at all IF TH and Simon lose in straight sets :p

[X Ball]

History will repeat itself....

Malaysian shuttlers are normally not able to live up to their supporters' expectations when they are under pressure or when they are fully aware that their supporters expect them to win.....

LCW is now fully aware of this condition...The more LCW is aware of this condition, the better this will be for his opponents including Simon....I exclude SOny as the strong candidate because Sony is not sure whether he will go or not due to his back injury he suffered during the PO.

Regarding TH, he has been reborn...He is now turning over a totally new leaf after the birth of his daughter....His decision to change his plan and wants to focus in the badminton career indicates that his daughter has changed his whole life...

So ...please be prepared to watch a new TH and SImon....don't be surprised if they both will defeat their opponents in straight sets...don't be surpised....

Indra, if you are a businessman, I would put my money on you. Your confidence is overwhelming.

[robin7]

So ...please be prepared to watch a new TH and SImon....don't be surprised if they both will defeat their opponents in straight sets...don't be surpised....
Based on the MS draw, there could be an
(1) all-CHN final (LD/BCL vs CJ/CY)
(2) all-MAS final (LCW/Roslin vs Hafiz/LTS)
(3) all-DEN final (KJ vs PG)
(4) all-INA final (TH vs Sony/Simon)
(5) all-KOR final (LHI vs PSH)

The possibility of having an all-INA final is less than the possibility of having an all-MAS final. How about that?:D

[samuel882]

Based on the MS draw, there could be an
(1) all-CHN final (LD/BCL vs CJ/CY)
(2) all-MAS final (LCW/Roslin vs Hafiz/LTS)
(3) all-DEN final (KJ vs PG)
(4) all-INA final (TH vs Sony/Simon)
(5) all-KOR final (LHI vs PSH)

The possibility of having an all-INA final is less than the possibility of having an all-MAS final. How about that?:D

u MEANT u will put ur money on Hafiz/LTS rather than on Sony /Simon.. ??:rolleyes: Good luck for you then... :D:D

[robin7]

u MEANT u will put ur money on Hafiz/LTS rather than on Sony /Simon.. ??:rolleyes: Good luck for you then... :D:D
My prediction is there won't be a MS final featuring 2 players from the same country, as simple as that.:) Likely, 4 players from different countries in the SF.:)

[badminto_expert]

Hi Syaoran_Style,

Lin Dan not enough to be a legend. He is not the Asian Games and Olimpic Champion.



Ofcourse =p
Lin Dan will win this WC and be officially a legend
I really think that Lin Dan is the best player in history !
JIA YOU LIN DAN !!

[badminto_expert]

Hi INA and MALAYSIA FUN,

Please base on the fact.

My Predict: Only China and INA will be the Champion.

MS: Lin Dan or TH
WS: ZN or XXF
WD: China
MD: FHF/CY or TG/CW
XD: LN/NW or VM/FL



Beside I'm not surpise at all IF TH and Simon lose in straight sets :p

[badminto_expert]

Ha ya....

X Ball: don't make it enemy OK. This forum discuss for make friend and give idea.. Calm man...

Indra: You are very confident that INA can win. Confident will be good but can be calamity. Don't be confident.
OK. Malaysia FUN and INA FUN...You need to be work together and hope we can avoid china player to take all..


Indra, if you are a businessman, I would put my money on you. Your confidence is overwhelming.

[snasirin]

I believe INA has a much more better and balanced mixture of players ... MS, not MD, not WS, WD and XD. Malaysians MS and MD are good but the rest are jokers. It the INA XD who can actually stop the Chinese XD (Koreans XD are still developing) apart from the English XDs.

[bananaboy]

Hi Syaoran_Style,

Lin Dan not enough to be a legend. He is not the Asian Games and Olimpic Champion.

So another word, no European can ever be a legend, since they CAN NOT compete in the Asian games(eg. Morten Frost)????????? Everyone else played before 1992 can't be legend because badminton was not in the Olympics????? Your comment is completely dumb for lack of a better word.:mad::mad::mad:

[robin7]

So another word, no European can ever be a legend, since they CAN NOT compete in the Asian games(eg. Morten Frost)????????? Everyone else played before 1992 can't be legend because badminton was not in the Olympics????? Your comment is completely dumb for lack of a better word.:mad::mad::mad:
I have to agree with u this time!:D

[samuel882]

So another word, no European can ever be a legend, since they CAN NOT compete in the Asian games(eg. Morten Frost)????????? Everyone else played before 1992 can't be legend because badminton was not in the Olympics????? Your comment is completely dumb for lack of a better word.:mad::mad::mad:
Many sports was just includes in OG recently, Does it also meants their Winner is a dumb and can't be rate as a legend by winning it the Gold in .. said 2004 Athens which the events was being 1st held over there??
OG medal is always the dream for all athletes.. Great Achievements & majorities of the countries will put their athletes names inside their own history book . One could be won 5 World title or more.. But he/she still wouldnt considered as great Athletes w/o Any OG Gold to shows..

No way WC is equal standards as OG !

[bananaboy]

Many sports was just includes in OG recently, Does it also meants their Winner is a dumb and can't be rate as a legend by winning it the Gold in .. said 2004 Athens which the events was being 1st held over there??
OG medal is always the dream for all athletes.. Great Achievements & majorities of the countries will put their athletes names inside their own history book . One could be won 5 World title or more.. But he/she still wouldnt considered as great Athletes w/o Any OG Gold to shows..

No way WC is equal standards as OG !


Please go back and read the relevant posts before commenting on others... your post above does not relate to my previous post by any chance.:rolleyes::confused::confused::confused:

[X Ball]

Ha ya....

X Ball: don't make it enemy OK. This forum discuss for make friend and give idea.. Calm man...

Indra: You are very confident that INA can win. Confident will be good but can be calamity. Don't be confident.
OK. Malaysia FUN and INA FUN...You need to be work together and hope we can avoid china player to take all..


No can do, no can do !:D

[Joyous]

Before the seeding was out, LCW mentioned that he hoped to do well and reclaim the no. 1 position & admits that it would be difficult to dislodge LD. Now that the seeding is out, I read that he's happy with the no. 2 position. Malaysian fans - can one of you clarify this. Thank you.

[X Ball]

Before the seeding was out, LCW mentioned that he hoped to do well and reclaim the no. 1 position & admits that it would be difficult to dislodge LD. Now that the seeding is out, I read that he's happy with the no. 2 position. Malaysian fans - can one of you clarify this. Thank you.


For you, it is a pleasure.

Well, LCW has always maintained the underdog tag. He is more realistic than us die-hard fans. He knows LD is a tough act.

Recently, he found out that he has a new lease of life --- he seemed to be winning well and it was not against weak players only. His coach, Misbun, had told him that he can claim back the 'yellow' jersey when he shot up to the no. 3 spot. That is why he thinks he can get back to no.1.

Of course, there lies LD, his nemesis. LD has always been tough to beat. In the WC, when LCW was seeded No. 2, he was happy because he would be in the other group and would not face LD at least until the Finals.

Overall, LCW is still very much his old self, the humble person but with a desire to achieve. His coach, Misbun, is the strength now --- where Li Mao used to tell him what to do, Misbun advises him on the right approach to the game. The difference is the pressure that he does not feel these days and allows him to focus on his speed game. If you have noticed, his game is faster and more controlled and he does not seem as pressurised. He has regained that ability to 'come back' in a game when he is slightly behind. The good thing is that it is not always the case that he lags behind as he leads more often these days.

[koo_fan]

Before the seeding was out, LCW mentioned that he hoped to do well and reclaim the no. 1 position & admits that it would be difficult to dislodge LD. Now that the seeding is out, I read that he's happy with the no. 2 position. Malaysian fans - can one of you clarify this. Thank you.
Thats really easy ,Joyous.
LCw is trying to reduce stress on himself,his coach,and Malaysians supporters.As simple as that.

he's happy with the no. 2 position.Yes.
But it doesn't evade him from being no. 1 ,which im sure he can.

[koo_fan]

Before the seeding was out, LCW mentioned that he hoped to do well and reclaim the no. 1 position & admits that it would be difficult to dislodge LD. Now that the seeding is out, I read that he's happy with the no. 2 position. Malaysian fans - can one of you clarify this. Thank you.
Thats really easy ,Joyous.
LCw is trying to reduce stress on himself,his coach,and Malaysians supporters.As simple as that.

he's happy with the no. 2 position.Yes.
But it doesn't evade him from being no. 1 ,which im sure he can.;);)

[george@chongwei]

LCW absolutely will win tis wc if he keep his consistent form until final..anyway we cannot rewrite off anybody... bcoz every player also wan to win d wc... but anyway i will support LCW no matter wat happen.. c`mon LCW!!!

[samuel882]

He got a couple of tough nuts to crack in order to achieve this target ! Hopes he can maintain consistent throughout this WC ...

[TKG2609]

i ll choose lindan or taufik to win this tournament .... gogo !!!

[samuel882]

by the SF.. Ur 50% bet is already gone ..:D:D

[TKG2609]

i ll choose lindan or taufik to win this tournament .... gogo !!!

[koo_fan]

i ll choose lindan or taufik to win this tournament .... gogo !!!
I thought u say ur country will not have a winner in WC??

It has changed now? How drastic,ha?

[samuel882]

Admin.. Can u do something please.. I know PPls here are free to voice their comments & opinions etc.. But to offense a COUNTRY or a single players in rusty words is totally not acceptable !! Please do something before it really turn into a war field here.
I am sure Kwun u know who am I referring to ! WE believe justice in you

[Krisna]

Nobody picks Boonsak here?

[samuel882]

Dear Krisna.. Boonsak wont be competing for this WC.. Wake up Man !! :D:D

[tommy_bun]

Nobody picks Boonsak here?

How can you pick somebody who is not competing???

[taufik-ist]

Admin.. Can u do something please.. I know PPls here are free to voice their comments & opinions etc.. But to offense a COUNTRY or a single players in rusty words is totally not acceptable !! Please do something before it really turn into a war field here.
I am sure Kwun u know who am I referring to ! WE believe justice in you

it's getting hot here :D :D

[huangkwokhau]

Since I know that I just got my tickets and going to KL from qtr to finals...now accomodation...

Guys...pls calm down!!! Please make this forums here as fun as you can...

[tommy_bun]

Admin.. Can u do something please.. I know PPls here are free to voice their comments & opinions etc.. But to offense a COUNTRY or a single players in rusty words is totally not acceptable !! Please do something before it really turn into a war field here.
I am sure Kwun u know who am I referring to ! WE believe justice in you
It is not me rite????:D:p

[Krisna]

Many sports was just includes in OG recently, Does it also meants their Winner is a dumb and can't be rate as a legend by winning it the Gold in .. said 2004 Athens which the events was being 1st held over there??
OG medal is always the dream for all athletes.. Great Achievements & majorities of the countries will put their athletes names inside their own history book . One could be won 5 World title or more.. But he/she still wouldnt considered as great Athletes w/o Any OG Gold to shows..

No way WC is equal standards as OG !

According to BWF, the winner of the Badminton World Championship will get 12000 ranking points. Equal to the winner of the Badminton Olympic games... also 12000... ;)

Oh, by the way, in soccer, soccer WC [World Cup] is waaaaaayyyyy more prestigious than the soccer Olympic gold... :p

[Krisna]

Dear Krisna.. Boonsak wont be competing for this WC.. Wake up Man !! :D:D


How can you pick somebody who is not competing???

Aaah, no wonder nobody picked him. Ha ha ha... :p Ok ok... :p

[Krisna]

Admin.. Can u do something please.. I know PPls here are free to voice their comments & opinions etc.. But to offense a COUNTRY or a single players in rusty words is totally not acceptable !! Please do something before it really turn into a war field here.
I am sure Kwun u know who am I referring to ! WE believe justice in you


it's getting hot here :D :D



Guys...pls calm down!!! Please make this forums here as fun as you can...

?!? Someone insulted another country? Where?!? :confused: Who? I didn't see any... :confused:

[samuel882]

According to BWF, the winner of the Badminton World Championship will get 12000 ranking points. Equal to the winner of the Badminton Olympic games... also 12000... ;)

Oh, by the way, in soccer, soccer WC [World Cup] is waaaaaayyyyy more prestigious than the soccer Olympic gold... :p

Mayb dats BWF effort to level its up between WC Standard & OG..
But for players who will prefer to miss the WC rather than the OG..
TH is the one who prove with it.. ;) It doesnt matter for him to lost a World Crown, but he always go all the way to win OG Golds !
For Soccer , OG only allowed Under-23 players to compete. Of coz there is no waYYYYYYYY near the prestigious world Cup :D:D

[Krisna]

Mayb dats BWF effort to level its up between WC Standard & OG..
But for players who will prefer to miss the WC rather than the OG..
TH is the one who prove with it.. ;) It doesnt matter for him to lost a World Crown, but he always go all the way to win OG Golds !
For Soccer , OG only allowed Under-23 players to compete. Of coz there is no waYYYYYYYY near the prestigious world Cup :D:D

Yup. FIFA intentionally made the Olympics not as prestigious as their World Cup. ;) It is clear that Olympic Games is not the highlight of all sports. Tennis is another example of that. :p

Oh, by the way, FIFA used to allow 2 non Under-23 players per country to compete in the Olympics. So, we saw Bebeto competed for Brazil in the 1996 Olympics. I don't know whether they still allow that... :confused:

[samuel882]

Yup. In FIFA intentionally made the Olympics not as prestigious as their World Cup. ;) It is clear that Olympic Games is not the highlight of all sports. Tennis is another example of that. :p

Oh, by the way, FIFA used to allow 2 non Under-23 players per country to compete in the Olympics. So, we saw Bebeto competed for Brazil in the 1996 Olympics. I don't know whether they still allow that... :confused:
YEah .. The Rules & REgulations is still apply by FIFA..
I really wished to see Ronaldinho , Messi in actions next year OG;)

[koo_fan]

Im still hoping that BP will be in KL this month.Any miracle will happen??

[samuel882]

tommy_bun Quote:
It is not me rite????:D:p

Dont you worry.. Definitely not u..:) I wont reveal that person identity in public here.. I just hopes he understand wat should or should not post here :)

[taufik-ist]

tommy_bun Quote:
It is not me rite????:D:p

Dont you worry.. Definitely not u..:) I wont reveal that person identity in public here.. I just hopes he understand wat should or should not post here :)

suspect :
bananaboy :p :p

[JasonMichael]

suspect :
bananaboy :p :p

bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bananaboy]

suspect :
bananaboy :p :p

Hey, you are inviting me again, aren't you?:p
To make sure you won't be hesitated to invite me to another thread, I promise you that I won't post any comment that will put you in a tough position...like last time:D

I still remember the old days, when we used to have big difference... but now I find you to be quite friendly, so I will do this for you.:D

[huangkwokhau]

Hi Guys...dont put any fire on bananaboy yet....haha

[taufik-ist]

Hey, you are inviting me again, aren't you?:p
To make sure you won't be hesitated to invite me to another thread, I promise you that I won't post any comment that will put you in a tough position...like last time:D

I still remember the old days, when we used to have big difference... but now I find you to be quite friendly, so I will do this for you.:D

you have put me in dilemma :D :rolleyes:

[gidong]

Whatever it is da WC MS FINALE = Lee Chong Wei VS Taufik Hidayat

[Torres]

I have to agree with u this time!:D

Yes, he is absolutely right.

[Torres]

So another word, no European can ever be a legend, since they CAN NOT compete in the Asian games(eg. Morten Frost)????????? Everyone else played before 1992 can't be legend because badminton was not in the Olympics????? Your comment is completely dumb for lack of a better word.:mad::mad::mad:

DEADLY SMASH FOR TH's DIEHARD FANS:D:D:D:D:D

[Torres]

So another word, no European can ever be a legend, since they CAN NOT compete in the Asian games(eg. Morten Frost)????????? Everyone else played before 1992 can't be legend because badminton was not in the Olympics????? Your comment is completely dumb for lack of a better word.:mad::mad::mad:

Yang Yang won OG's gold medal in Seoul 1988. Unfortunately, it was just a Demonstration Olympics, so I would describe him as "THE RIGHT MAN ON THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME":crying::crying::crying:

[Torres]

Yang Yang won OG's gold medal in Seoul 1988. Unfortunately, it was just a Demonstration Olympics, so I would describe him as "THE RIGHT MAN ON THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME":crying::crying::crying:

If Seoul 1988 wasn't an Olympics Demonstration for badminton, so we can hailed Yang Yang as the GREATEST SHUTTLER EVER IN THE HISTORY.

We can't compare Taufik with Yang Yang, coz Yang Yang is the only one man who ever won the Olympics, World Championships (2 times), and All England.

HE IS THE ONLY BADMINTON PLAYER IN THE WORLD WHO ACCOMPLISHED A GRAND SLAM. This record still stand today in the Guiness Book of World Records (posted from Avatar in Professional Players- When was Yang Yang born?)

[Inky2000]

Yes, I agree that winning OG AND WC (and perhaps AE, AG and SS Finals - there used to be Grand Prix finals in late 80's and early 90's?) shouldn't be taken as the necessary pre-condition for a player or pair to achieve legendary status. Think about this scenario: If there's a great player who has ranked World No.1 for 10 years and yet has never won any of the OG, WC, AE, AG, SS Grand Finals titles, i.e., this guy is almost unbeatable in SS and perhaps TC and SC but always tumble in major individual events, can't he be considered "legendary" in a different sense? Take the movie actor analogy - there were plenty of legendary Hollywood actors who ended up never win a Best Actor or Actress Oscar - say, Judy Garland (she won an Honorary Award but not Best Actress).

[samuel882]

Its is not easy to award any athletes with the "Legendary" status.. Yeah.. Yang Yang is the only Badminton MS players which in that category.. TH & LD so near just yet so far !

[Deric Chang]

Just met LCW at a coffee shop in Sri Petaling near the Putra Stadium. Like his usual humble self, his answer when i asked how he is going to beat LD... "will try my best" was his reply. Damn friendly fella, i think he knows most of the hawkers there. GO LCW!!!

[Inky2000]

If Seoul 1988 wasn't an Olympics Demonstration for badminton, so we can hailed Yang Yang as the GREATEST SHUTTLER EVER IN THE HISTORY.

We can't compare Taufik with Yang Yang, coz Yang Yang is the only one man who ever won the Olympics, World Championships (2 times), and All England.

HE IS THE ONLY BADMINTON PLAYER IN THE WORLD WHO ACCOMPLISHED A GRAND SLAM. This record still stand today in the Guiness Book of World Records (posted from Avatar in Professional Players- When was Yang Yang born?)

I think during Yang Yang's era, badminton's "Grand Slam" also counts the title of the Grand Prix Finals, which Yang Yang has also won. Now we have a replacement: SS Grand Finals.

[taufik-ist]

If Seoul 1988 wasn't an Olympics Demonstration for badminton, so we can hailed Yang Yang as the GREATEST SHUTTLER EVER IN THE HISTORY.

We can't compare Taufik with Yang Yang, coz Yang Yang is the only one man who ever won the Olympics, World Championships (2 times), and All England.

HE IS THE ONLY BADMINTON PLAYER IN THE WORLD WHO ACCOMPLISHED A GRAND SLAM. This record still stand today in the Guiness Book of World Records (posted from Avatar in Professional Players- When was Yang Yang born?)

who said yang yang is not a legend...

rudy hartono is the only player who can win 7 AE titles (6 titles in arow).. could yang yang do that... ? AE was there when yang yang stil played:D :D

we can't also compare yang yang with rudy hartono :D:D:D:D:D

Taufik is listed in WBF hall of fame, so is yang yang :p :p
and your idol is not listed yet, he will be there soon, be patient :p

different era, different players, different fans

case close

[samuel882]

No matter how many titles LD won in SS or even he swept it all . He still can't be rated as the great YY if the OG & AG Golds was still not in his bag

[V3i HoN6]

Just met LCW at a coffee shop in Sri Petaling near the Putra Stadium. Like his usual humble self, his answer when i asked how he is going to beat LD... "will try my best" was his reply. Damn friendly fella, i think he knows most of the hawkers there. GO LCW!!!
Are they all national shuttlers eat at normal kopitiam one week before the World Championship? I thought they should have food catering to their training centre during the intensive training and match period to make sure they get nutritious, healthy and clean food.

Kopitiam or mamak food is good to eat but sometimes get you diarrhea and they certainly can't afford it at these time.

[tjl_vanguard]

Are they all national shuttlers eat at normal kopitiam one week before the World Championship? I thought they should have food catering to their training centre during the intensive training and match period to make sure they get nutritious, healthy and clean food.

Kopitiam or mamak food is good to eat but sometimes get you diarrhea and they certainly can't afford it at these time.
haha i've eaten mamak food for years.. but never get tummy ache or anything haha.. :D

[OneToughBirdie]

haha i've eaten mamak food for years.. but never get tummy ache or anything haha.. :D
LCW can eat whatever he wants, he has gotten this far on hawker's food, that works for his game, maybe MAS fans should patronage the same hawker's stall, maybe your game can improve too, hahaha!!! Growing up in MAS...we have this so-called immunity, developed over the years eating hawker's food and not got sick...hahaha!! My theory is the hawker's food has small worms, our body has bigger worms that devoured the smaller worms...hahaha!!! :p:p:D:D

[Torres]

who said yang yang is not a legend...

rudy hartono is the only player who can win 7 AE titles (6 titles in arow).. could yang yang do that... ? AE was there when yang yang stil played:D :D

we can't also compare yang yang with rudy hartono :D:D:D:D:D

Taufik is listed in WBF hall of fame, so is yang yang :p :p
and your idol is not listed yet, he will be there soon, be patient :p

different era, different players, different fans

case close

China's players didn't permitted to play in int'l tourney, coz most of the countries around the world only "admit" Taiwan as the only China. That's why none CHN players was participated in every int'l tourneys (include AE), before they "admit" China, and not Taiwan.

China's first participation in
AG : 1974
TC : 1982 (vini vidi vici):D
AE, UC & WC : not so sure

Rudi won it for 8 times, coz none of China's top players was participated. In a "perfect competition" like now, I hardly believe he can't do it. He can do it, coz AE at that time is less competitive.

In Yang Yang era, all of us knows the term "4 heavenly kings", there are Yang Yang, ZJH, Morten F Hansen, and Icuk. Is it easy to won AE title for 8 times during Yang Yang era?

[Torres]

No matter how many titles LD won in SS or even he swept it all . He still can't be rated as the great YY if the OG & AG Golds was still not in his bag

"4 heavenly kings" never won the AG golds. I doubt that ZJH won it for twice (after AG 06 final, the Indonesian commentator said that TH is the second player who ever won AG for twice, after Luan Jin). They aren't great players?

Yet, AG is not an official tournament of BWF, so the title is invalid:p.

[huangkwokhau]

Yang Yang is my favorite player beside TH

[Joyous]

Thanks X Ball & Koo Fan for the clarification.

[huangkwokhau]

Yang Yang is my favorite player beside TH

[taufik-ist]

@torres...

so what's wrong if i said TH is a legend today... :).. he's listed in BWF hall of fame.. sorry your idol isn't yet :)

i don't mind if in the next 5 or 10 years TH name will fade away :)..

it's different era and different players and also different fans ...

[samuel882]

"4 heavenly kings" never won the AG golds. I doubt that ZJH won it for twice (after AG 06 final, the Indonesian commentator said that TH is the second player who ever won AG for twice, after Luan Jin). They aren't great players?

Yet, AG is not an official tournament of BWF, so the title is invalid:p.

But still LD missing the most prestigious Olympic Gold

[X Ball]

Just met LCW at a coffee shop in Sri Petaling near the Putra Stadium. Like his usual humble self, his answer when i asked how he is going to beat LD... "will try my best" was his reply. Damn friendly fella, i think he knows most of the hawkers there. GO LCW!!!


You should have told him XBALL will be disappointed if he does not win !:)

[Deric Chang]

i think u dun have to worry xball, its his time now.... we can feel it! are u going to the finals? i m going on sun.. fianl day... see u there.

[alfa-2]

Are they all national shuttlers eat at normal kopitiam one week before the World Championship? I thought they should have food catering to their training centre during the intensive training and match period to make sure they get nutritious, healthy and clean food.

Kopitiam or mamak food is good to eat but sometimes get you diarrhea and they certainly can't afford it at these time.

maybe nowadays these mamak stalls got ISO already lor......:D:D:D:D:D:D they pray pray ah........

[alfa-2]

repeated post. sorry.

[X Ball]

i think u dun have to worry xball, its his time now.... we can feel it! are u going to the finals? i m going on sun.. fianl day... see u there.


Only semis in L7 section -- Finals depending on my mood.

[X Ball]

i think u dun have to worry xball, its his time now.... we can feel it! are u going to the finals? i m going on sun.. fianl day... see u there.


Only semis in L7 section -- Finals depending on my mood.

[tbleong]

Lcw Or Th.. Cos Th Will Beat Ld At Sf..

[leonardklh]

i think lee chong wei will win!! because home ground advantage!!!! MAlaysia rocks !! hope koo-tan will win it also in the men double event!!!

[tbleong]

Lcw Or Th.. Cos Th Will Beat Ld At Sf..

[tbleong]

Lcw Or Th.. Cos Th Will Beat Ld At Sf..

[Torres]

No matter how many titles LD won in SS or even he swept it all . He still can't be rated as the great YY if the OG & AG Golds was still not in his bag

Are u BWF? Have an authority to “determine” which one is great?
It is a necessary for someone to won OG, so he can be categorized as a great player?

“4 heavenly kings” (Yang Yang, ZJH, Morten F Hansen, Icuk) PLUS THE OTHER KINGS (Rudi & Liem Swie King) never won the Olympics Gold, even Swie King and Morten never won the World Championships title. They aren’t great players?

Alan, Poul Erik, and Ji Xinpeng had ever won the OG’s gold. They are greater than “6 heavenly kings”???

Again, AG is not an official tourney of BWF, so the title is invalid. Lin Dan won World Cup title for twice (05 & 06), absolutely more prestigious than AG. (World Cup also an unofficial tourney).

You wanna say, Taufik is a great player? with only 18 titles within 11 years?
A lucky player only can win occasionally (OG & WC), but a great player and a REAL CHAMPION likes Lin Dan can win continuously and regularly (23 titles within 8 years).

[Torres]

Lcw Or Th.. Cos Th Will Beat Ld At Sf..

TH vs LD at QF, not SF.

[Torres]

@torres...

so what's wrong if i said TH is a legend today... :).. he's listed in BWF hall of fame.. sorry your idol isn't yet :)

i don't mind if in the next 5 or 10 years TH name will fade away :)..

it's different era and different players and also different fans ...

For sure, LD will be listed in BWF hall of fame.
LD's achievement is BETTER than TH. TH only can win occasionally (only needs 12 matches to won, to grab the OG & WC title), but LD can MAINTAIN WR#1 position for 3 consecutive years (120 matches to won is not enough).

Again, a lucky player only can win occasionally (likes Alan Budi Kusuma, Ji Xin Peng, Flemming Delfs, and also Taufik), but a REAL CHAMPION likes Yang Yang, Zhao Jian Hua, and Lin Dan can win intensively and regularly.

[taufik-ist]

Are u BWF? Have an authority to “determine” which one is great?
It is a necessary for someone to won OG, so he can be categorized as a great player?

“4 heavenly kings” (Yang Yang, ZJH, Morten F Hansen, Icuk) PLUS THE OTHER KINGS (Rudi & Liem Swie King) never won the Olympics Gold, even Swie King and Morten never won the World Championships title. They aren’t great players?

Alan, Poul Erik, and Ji Xinpeng had ever won the OG’s gold. They are greater than “6 heavenly kings”???

Again, AG is not an official tourney of BWF, so the title is invalid. Lin Dan won World Cup title for twice (05 & 06), absolutely more prestigious than AG. (World Cup also an unofficial tourney).

You wanna say, Taufik is a great player? with only 18 titles within 11 years?
A lucky player only can win occasionally (OG & WC), but a great player and a REAL CHAMPION likes Lin Dan can win continuously and regularly (23 titles within 8 years).

paul erick and alan are legends bro.... :D
Ji Xinpeng. he dropped after Olympic :p :p
TH can make Badminton world more colorful :D....
it seems you never watch TH playing ath his best :p :p

[taufik-ist]

For sure, LD will be listed in BWF hall of fame.
LD's achievement is BETTER than TH. TH only can win occasionally (only needs 12 matches to won, to grab the OG & WC title), but LD can MAINTAIN WR#1 position for 3 consecutive years (120 matches to won is not enough).

Again, a lucky player only can win occasionally (likes Alan Budi Kusuma, Ji Xin Peng, Flemming Delfs, and also Taufik), but a REAL CHAMPION likes Yang Yang, Zhao Jian Hua, and Lin Dan can win intensively and regularly.


alan and TH are lucky players..... WTF......
a player who can win AG (twice), OC, WC and other tournaments is a lucky player ????????
GOD must love him very much, if you think TH is always lucky :) :)
btw do u know badminton ?
Xi jie peng is a lucky player.. he could only win OC 2000 after that he 'sank down'...
make sure Lin dan can win OC 2008
or
he will never be considered as a legend... :p :p :p
:D :D :D :D :D :p

[xofrevlis]

I'm sure there is more than one way for a player to qualify as legendary so let's all just agree to disagree rather than say he or she isn't said status.

In my eyes, I would consider any player a legend if they are well-remembered thoughout time for the right reasons.

TH can be considered legendary for achieving several of the top prestigious titles. LD can be considered legendary because of his domination in the sport and bulging trophy cabinet. I believe that for these reasons, both players will be remembered for many a year to come. ;)

[Torres]

make sure Lin dan can win OC 2008
or
he will never be considered as a legend... :p :p :p

:D :D :D :D :D :p

TIME magazine awards Rudy Hartono as an ASIAN HERO (coz his 8 titles in AE). Why TIME didn't choose Taufik (the only one player who can ...)?:D:D:D

[zqloy]

For sure, LD will be listed in BWF hall of fame.
LD's achievement is BETTER than TH. TH only can win occasionally (only needs 12 matches to won, to grab the OG & WC title), but LD can MAINTAIN WR#1 position for 3 consecutive years (120 matches to won is not enough).

Again, a lucky player only can win occasionally (likes Alan Budi Kusuma, Ji Xin Peng, Flemming Delfs, and also Taufik), but a REAL CHAMPION likes Yang Yang, Zhao Jian Hua, and Lin Dan can win intensively and regularly.

Disagree. U mean TH is only a player "lucky" enough to win titles like WC, OG and AG (2x)? I bet yr idol LD would be willing to swap all his titles with TH's. :cool:

[samuel882]

Are u BWF? Have an authority to “determine” which one is great?
It is a necessary for someone to won OG, so he can be categorized as a great player?

“4 heavenly kings” (Yang Yang, ZJH, Morten F Hansen, Icuk) PLUS THE OTHER KINGS (Rudi & Liem Swie King) never won the Olympics Gold, even Swie King and Morten never won the World Championships title. They aren’t great players?

Alan, Poul Erik, and Ji Xinpeng had ever won the OG’s gold. They are greater than “6 heavenly kings”???

Again, AG is not an official tourney of BWF, so the title is invalid. Lin Dan won World Cup title for twice (05 & 06), absolutely more prestigious than AG. (World Cup also an unofficial tourney).

You wanna say, Taufik is a great player? with only 18 titles within 11 years?
A lucky player only can win occasionally (OG & WC), but a great player and a REAL CHAMPION likes Lin Dan can win continuously and regularly (23 titles within 8 years).
OK.. those "Four Heavenly King" is the past.. If they play nowadays . I m sure they will be grab OG in their collections..
U cant compare the past great with today.
For any current players to rate as GREAT LEGEND, the wining combo : WC + AE + OG + SS Finals (U can take away AG from that Grade) . LD / TH or whoever dint achieve dat targets couldnt be consider the GREAT just yet !
Hall of fame? sure both LD / TH will be having their name on it.. However GREAT/LEGENDS meants u are TOP In the Hall of Fame list. .. Until the next athletes are capable to win more the above title than u... Than is his turn to replace u. GET IT??
It is not BWF or IOC or any organization who DEFINE GREAT Players.. The results on those 4 "Grand Slam" tells it ALL !

[zqloy]

TIME magazine awards Rudy Hartono as an ASIAN HERO (coz his 8 titles in AE). Why TIME didn't choose Taufik (the only one player who can ...)?:D:D:D

Lol... They didnt choose LD either did they?

[Torres]

alan and TH are lucky players..... WTF......
a player who can win AG (twice), OC, WC and other tournaments is a lucky player ????????
GOD must love him very much, if you think TH is always lucky :) :)
btw do u know badminton ?
Xi jie peng is a lucky player.. he could only win OC 2000 after that he 'sank down'...
make sure Lin dan can win OC 2008
or
he will never be considered as a legend... :p :p :p
:D :D :D :D :D :p

that's why I said Ji XP is a lucky player. Am I wrong? or you misunderstood my comments?

Taufik can grabs the gold in OG 04 coz Xia Xuanze was absence due to the limitation entries. Both of them are in declining stage, but Xia is the current world champion at that time. Xia is the most experience player in OG 04 (he is AE 00 champion, World Grand Prix Finals title in 01, WC 03, and grab bronze medal in OG 00), so absolutely he can handle the pressure in big events. It is different with LD, BCL, and CH (all of them aren't experience).

Not only Xia, but also 5 - 6 players whom are top 20 in WR. If Xia and the others can participated, no one can guarantee that TH will win.

OG, WC, ABC, and AG is not a true competitive contests (too many "absence" players). Besides Ina open, TH never won a title for more than 3 times in "PERFECT TOURNEYS". LD won AE and German open for 3 times.

[taufik-ist]

that's why I said Ji XP is a lucky player. Am I wrong? or you misunderstood my comments?

Taufik can grabs the gold in OG 04 coz Xia Xuanze was absence due to the limitation entries. Both of them are in declining stage, but Xia is the current world champion at that time. Xia is the most experience player in OG 04 (he is AE 00 champion, World Grand Prix Finals title in 01, WC 03, and grab bronze medal in OG 00), so absolutely he can handle the pressure in big events. It is different with LD, BCL, and CH (all of them aren't experience).

Not only Xia, but also 5 - 6 players whom are top 20 in WR. If Xia and the others can participated, no one can guarantee that TH will win.

OG, WC, ABC, and AG is not a true competitive contests (too many "absence" players). Besides Ina open, TH never won a title for more than 3 times in "PERFECT TOURNEYS". LD won AE and German open for 3 times.

Xia couldn't win AG 2002 , he was in his prime time at that time bro. he coulnd't still manage to win the ag 2002 :D :D :D.. TH won that AG :D

and hendrawan often beat XIA :) :) :)

[samuel882]

that's why I said Ji XP is a lucky player. Am I wrong? or you misunderstood my comments?



OG, WC, ABC, and AG is not a true competitive contests (too many "absence" players). .


So which tournament will u be considered as "competitive contests" . AE ? even in AE there will be many absentees for each year. Coz if one player miss AE this year. He can try to win it back in the following year.. So This AE is the absolute COMPETITIVE Tournaments ?

[taufik-ist]

So which tournament will u be considered as "competitive contests" . AE ? even in AE there will be many absentees for each year. Coz if one player miss AE this year. He can try to win it back in the following year.. So This AE is the absolute COMPETITIVE Tournaments ?

good one :D :D :D...

[cooler]

Torres is misquoted like i was misquoted before. All we are saying is that u can't use OG title as a key bragging right for legendary status. We have listed Alan, Poul Erik, and Ji Xinpeng as examples.

[samuel882]

Torres is misquoted like i was misquoted before. All we are saying is that u can't use OG title as a key bragging right for legendary status. We have listed Alan, Poul Erik, and Ji Xinpeng as examples.

I bet u are in the wrong side here.. He even said TH is a "Lucky" player to win an Olympic Gold.. And rank him the same level with ABK, JXP, PEH .. That was totally unacceptable !

[zqloy]

Torres is misquoted like i was misquoted before. All we are saying is that u can't use OG title as a key bragging right for legendary status. We have listed Alan, Poul Erik, and Ji Xinpeng as examples.

Obviously he got shot because his silly comment as TH is a "lucky" player who won all the biggest titles....:p
Winning 1 OG might be consider as lucky but winning together with WC and AG is a whole diff story....

[KlasseE]

overall both of them are great players, i meant TH, LCW, LD n PG. to me i only consider Ricky n Han Jian as legends as they were great players when young and still sacrify for sake of badminton in another country, must salute to them really...

[cooler]

Obviously he got shot because his silly comment as TH is a "lucky" player who won all the biggest titles....:p
Winning 1 OG might be consider as lucky but winning together with WC and AG is a whole diff story....

I wouldn't rank AG too highly since only asian countries can compete and only 2 players were allowed to enter per event. Also in 06 AG, LD won twice and lost once against TH.

WChamp is limited to 4 players per contry per event
OG is limited to 3 players per country per event

AE and Opens have no quota limiitation, all based on ranking. LD had won more AE and Opens than TH.

In 04 OG, XXZ was shut out by LYB (a bad mistake by most chinese fans account) in favor of LD, BCL and CH. XXZ won the 03 WC btw.
That's why CH quit the team after seeing what had the denial to the OG did to XXZ.

[taufik-ist]

where's torres ?

cooler is backing up him :) :)

[X Ball]

Settle Down Taufik-ist ! You are making tooo much noise here. Taufik is great but not that great. The only great player from Indonsia is Rudy Hartono. He beat my mentor Tan Aik Huang (Champion of the 1966 ALL-England).

[samuel882]

I wouldn't rank AG too highly since only asian countries can compete and only 2 players were allowed to enter per event. Also in 06 AG, LD won twice and lost once against TH.

WChamp is limited to 4 players per contry per event
OG is limited to 3 players per country per event

AE and Opens have no quota limiitation, all based on ranking. LD had won more AE and Opens than TH.

In 04 OG, XXZ was shut out by LYB (a bad mistake by most chinese fans account) in favor of LD, BCL and CH. XXZ won the 03 WC btw.
That's why CH quit the team after seeing what had the denial to the OG did to XXZ.
AG/OG is a regional/Worldwide Competition which restricted to limitted amount of quota entries per countries. WC cant b recognized as high as well if they doent strict to the quota rules.. Or else it will be call "China CloseD" in the event that CHN swept all the podium finished especially in the Women's DEpt.
You are meaning AE is > WC & OG??
OG / AG qualification is also base on the World Ranking. a Player still cant qualify for those 2 games if he rank outside 100 !! Unless CHN have > 40 / 50 players in the top 100 WR.. Then it would be a diff side of story..

[2cents]

So another word, no European can ever be a legend, since they CAN NOT compete in the Asian games(eg. Morten Frost)????????? Everyone else played before 1992 can't be legend because badminton was not in the Olympics????? Your comment is completely dumb for lack of a better word.:mad::mad::mad:

Well said.

I've nothing against Taufik, but some Taufik diehard fans are really pity.

[taufik-ist]

Settle Down Taufik-ist ! You are making tooo much noise here. Taufik is great but not that great. The only great player from Indonsia is Rudy Hartono. He beat my mentor Tan Aik Huang (Champion of the 1966 ALL-England).

.he..he

i just defend TH just like you defend LCW :p :p

[koo_fan]

If Torres wants to look down on TH,(his own people),I got nothing to say.
its useless to argue with him on this issue.
TH is a better player than LD and everyone admit that statement. if he refuses,it is up to him.

[hsengsping]

AG/OG is a regional/Worldwide Competition which restricted to limitted amount of quota entries per countries. WC cant b recognized as high as well if they doent strict to the quota rules.. Or else it will be call "China CloseD" in the event that CHN swept all the podium finished especially in the Women's DEpt.
You are meaning AE is > WC & OG??
OG / AG qualification is also base on the World Ranking. a Player still cant qualify for those 2 games if he rank outside 100 !! Unless CHN have > 40 / 50 players in the top 100 WR.. Then it would be a diff side of story..
For WS looking at the almost complete dominance of CHN & exCHN players in top 10, I think if every CHN provincial players gets into Open comp - they just might get to what you implied:)

[samuel882]

For WS looking at the almost complete dominance of CHN & exCHN players in top 10, I think if every CHN provincial players gets into Open comp - they just might get to what you implied:)

Its quite true .. At the moment we cant see any non Chinese players are capable of challenging CHN monopoly in the women's single . But as long as we can see a diff flags in the podium.. Which meant its not a total dominant by CHN.. (Which will be good to promote Badminton as Worldwide favorite RAckets sports) ..Doesn't matter is the player are from China Origin or not..
Hopefully INA WD can prevent all the CHN swept in this coming WC..

[tommy_bun]

If Torres wants to look down on TH,(his own people),I got nothing to say.
its useless to argue with him on this issue.
TH is a better player than LD and everyone admit that statement. if he refuses,it is up to him.

I know U said this kind of thing cos you are one of the Lin Dan's haters here.You can say that TH is a better player than LD now,but nobody knows what will happen in the next 1-2 years.For me both TH and LD can be considered as great players.Both of them complete each other.TH won OG,WC,AG but has never won AE and Woeld Cup(correct me if Im wrong),while LD won AE,World Champ,World Cup but has never won OG and AG.

[bic33]

thinking of whether a player is great or not great is subjective... so don't bug any fan and then tell him that his idol isn't the greatest... nonsense at all.. make your own post, and brag your own idols...

[bic33]

for all die hard debaters out there who are still unsure of what's the most important tournament for players, please ask the players themselves... stop telling others that what their idol won was just the important ones...

but for me, winning an AE or any SS would be a dream.. :D

[tommy_bun]

but for me, winning an AE or any SS would be a dream.. :D

Winning GP DOLD is a dream as well....(joking)..:p

[Torres]

Xia couldn't win AG 2002 , he was in his prime time at that time bro. he coulnd't still manage to win the ag 2002 :D :D :D.. TH won that AG :D

and hendrawan often beat XIA :) :) :)

WR # 1 and world junior champion Bao Chun Lai, plus WR # 2 and world junior championships runner up Lin Dan wasn't there coz of the regulation.

BCL and LD often beat TH:D:D:D
(Current H2H; BCL vs TH 5-5, but Bao can win against Taufik 2 times in Ina, and TH never won against BCL in China).

H2H against LD, 7-5 favors to LD.

[Torres]

If Torres wants to look down on TH,(his own people),I got nothing to say.
its useless to argue with him on this issue.
TH is a better player than LD and everyone admit that statement. if he refuses,it is up to him.

better player?
Look the H2H records.

ABC 01 LIN DAN
AG 02 TAUFIK
INA 04 TAUFIK
SC 05 LIN DAN
S'PORE 05 TAUFIK
WC 05 TAUFIK
TC 06 LIN DAN
JPN 06 LIN DAN
AG 06 LIN DAN
LIN DAN
TAUFIK
MAL 07 LIN DAN

LIN DAN DEFINITELY BETTER than th:):):):):):p:p:p:p:p:D:D:D:D:D

[Torres]

OK.. those "Four Heavenly King" is the past.. If they play nowadays . I m sure they will be grab OG in their collections..


No one can predict very accurate. The most talented player in badminton history, ZJH, failed to grab the 1992 OG's gold, he lose to someone (maybe Hermawan Susanto).
The other good example, Vita/Lili can win against 2 top pairs from China in front of China's crowd!!! I'm sure none of us can predict it.
In OG 00, the clear favorite was TH (as WR#1), Hendrawan, Xia, and Peter Gade. But, the winner is Ji Xin Peng (he won the battle against TH, Peter, and Hendrawan). Can u predict it?

[2cents]

better player?
Look the H2H records.

ABC 01 LIN DAN
AG 02 TAUFIK
INA 04 TAUFIK
SC 05 LIN DAN
S'PORE 05 TAUFIK
WC 05 TAUFIK
TC 06 LIN DAN
JPN 06 LIN DAN
AG 06 LIN DAN
LIN DAN
TAUFIK
MAL 07 LIN DAN

LIN DAN DEFINITELY BETTER than th:):):):):):p:p:p:p:p:D:D:D:D:D

It's clear that Lin Dan took 2:0 lead during their head to head debut. But according to your record, Taufik won the 2nd meet. You must have missed another Lin Dan's victory at the beginning. I have posted on this forum before that time when Lin Dan took an early lead 2:0 in their head to head. I predicted here on this forum even that time, Lin Dan - Taufik rivalry could last for several years.

The other thing you missed is that Lin Dan beat Taufik at last year HK open. I remember that too. The score was 4:1

[2cents]

No one can predict very accurate. The most talented player in badminton history, ZJH, failed to grab the 1992 OG's gold, he lose to someone (maybe Hermawan Susanto).
The other good example, Vita/Lili can win against 2 top pairs from China in front of China's crowd!!! I'm sure none of us can predict it.
In OG 00, the clear favorite was TH (as WR#1), Hendrawan, Xia, and Peter Gade. But, the winner is Ji Xin Peng (he won the battle against TH, Peter, and Hendrawan). Can u predict it?

Actually Ji Xingpeng was very good at that time, maybe you didn't know, could not predict, but many people, including coaches at China national team expected Ji XP's win.

At that time, China had 4 good players. Xia, Ji, Chen Hong and Sun Jun.

Sun Jun used to be the best among them, but the new coach Tang's training method was too harsh for Sun Jun which resulted in Sun Jun's injury. Sun Jun's win depended on his smartness but his physical strength. Tang's training ruined Sun. By the way, Sun Jun was also the lowest ranked Chinese player that time.

But Tang made a new weapon Chen Hong. Chen Hong was the best among competition within the team. He can beat other Chinese players easily. Tang wanted Chen Hong in the Olympics instead of Sun Jun.

Xia claimed several titles in Europe that time, he was the best ranked among Chinese players. He also won a lot of fans for him.

Then Ji XP became the one whom fans knew the least. Many outsiders wanted to sacrifice him to give Sun Jun a chance. But none of the coaches agreed. The reason was very clear and simple, not only Ji had won the Japan open, but also he's the one who beat all the other major foes, including Gade, Taufik, Hendrawan easily. Ji XP didn't do well in tournaments at Singapore/Malaysia, because he lost to Gopi twice. While Xia XZ was not that confident to beat Gade/Taufik/Hendrawan. That's the reason most coaches in China believed that Ji XP had the best chance to win gold at Olympic even though Tang thought Chen Hong's ability was the best. But Chen Hong used to fail under big pressures.

Finally, the China national sports administration bureau decided to give veteran Sun Jun a chance at the cost of Chen Hong since Chen Hong had never won big titles by that time.

It Ji XP had continued to play, he would have achieved more than Xia and Chen Hong and Taufik. It's too bad that LYB retired him so early to give the space to Chen Hong (Tang's favorite protege)

[Torres]

@torres...

so what's wrong if i said TH is a legend today... :).. he's listed in BWF hall of fame.. sorry your idol isn't yet :)


a real champion & great player never escape from the fierce competition among top players. all of us know why he was absence in AE 07 (despite it's quite unacceptable, we must respect his own choice). But, he was absence too in Swiss SS 07. Why? He doesn't want to get SS points? He doesn't want to qualify to SS finals? and why he decides to compete in ABC 07? (For sure he was afraids to fight against top players especially the SPECIAL ONE, LIN DAN).

Most of the top players were compete in AE & Swiss 07, but ABC was "dominated" by Asia's second class players only. only a COWARD will do like that.

[samuel882]

It Ji XP had continued to play, he would have achieved more than Xia and Chen Hong and Taufik. It's too bad that LYB retired him so early to give the space to Chen Hong (Tang's favorite protege)

Thanx 4 sharing this stories.. Now I know Y JXP was forced to be retired.
U see, Last time CH force him to retire , And now its LD/BCL turn to force CH to resign from CHn National team. Wonder who will actually be the next victims.. those kinda systems really sucks. If JXP, CH were to be in MAS / INA or any countries.. I am sure their carrier will last longer than in CHN !

[Torres]

The other thing you missed is that Lin Dan beat Taufik at last year HK open. I remember that too. The score was 4:1[/QUOTE]

I know about it. It's just a bonus for TH:D

[indra]

better player?
Look the H2H records.

ABC 01 LIN DAN
AG 02 TAUFIK
INA 04 TAUFIK
SC 05 LIN DAN
S'PORE 05 TAUFIK
WC 05 TAUFIK
TC 06 LIN DAN
JPN 06 LIN DAN
AG 06 LIN DAN
LIN DAN
TAUFIK
MAL 07 LIN DAN

LIN DAN DEFINITELY BETTER than th:):):):):):p:p:p:p:p:D:D:D:D:D


ssssssttttttt

You will see a re-born Taufik....

This time TH vs LD : 21-12, 21-6 for TH

[Felicia_txh]

To all gade's fans....
Gade-Christensen can spring a surprise, says Misbun
By RAJES PAUL

http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2007/8/9/sports/s_70gade.jpg Still a threat: Peter Gade-Christensen has done well in tournaments held in Malaysia.
KUALA LUMPUR: One foreign player in the men's singles competition of the World Championships has done exceptionally well in tournaments in Malaysia.
And national singles coach Misbun Sidek sees the danger posed by Dane Peter Gade-Christensen, who is in the same quarter of the draw as Malaysian number one and second seed Lee Chong Wei.
Gade-Christensen has not been prominent in recent international tournaments but Misbun still remains cautious.
“From his past performances here, I cannot help but think that Malaysia is like second home to Peter. He has done well and his challenge to win the world title in Bukit Jalil cannot be taken lightly,” said Misbun.
“But on recent form, Chong Wei is more stable than Peter. But Chong Wei can be his own enemy by taking things lightly during a game. I hope he will remain as focused as he is right now throughout the tournament.”
Before a projected quarter-final encounter, Chong Wei and world number six Gade-Christensen have in their path Indonesians opponents – Sony Dwi Kuncoro and Simon Santoso respectively.
The 30-year-old Dane arrived in Kuala Lumpur early this year for the Malaysian Open suffering a severe migraine attack but he went home with the title. And it was the second time he won the title at the KL Badminton Stadium in Chera after 998.
Seven years ago at the Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil, which is the venue for the world championships, he sparked a great hope for Denmark to become the first European country to lift the Thomas Cup after he defeated Indonesian Hendrawan in the first match of the final tie. Denmark eventually went down 2-3.
The lanky Dane also won his first world junior title, the boys' doubles partnering Peder Nissen, in 1995 in KL.
The 25-year-old Chong Wei is wary of the major threat posed by Gade-Christensen.
“I still remember the defeat in a match against him at the Thomas Cup Finals (in Japan in 2006). It was the first match of the tie and we went on to lose to Denmark. I have always treated him as one of my very strong opponent,” he said.
In their previous two meetings in Open tournaments, Chong Wei was the winner in Malaysia and Singapore in 2004.
But Gade-Christensen has the better record than Chong Wei in the world championships. The Dane was the runner-up to Hendrawan in Seville in 2001 while Chong Wei's best effort was a semi-final appearance in the 2005 edition in Anaheim.

[Felicia_txh]

LD's record in MAS.. He never be the champion...

林丹在大馬一冠難求

2007年大馬公開賽：16強
2006年大馬公開賽：亞軍
2005年大馬公開賽：亞軍
2004年大馬公開賽：8強
2003年大馬公開賽：32強

2007 MO:He only reached round 3
2006 MO:1st runner up
2005 MO:1st runner up
2004 MO:QF
2003 MO:round 2

[taufik-ist]

a real champion & great player never escape from the fierce competition among top players. all of us know why he was absence in AE 07 (despite it's quite unacceptable, we must respect his own choice). But, he was absence too in Swiss SS 07. Why? He doesn't want to get SS points? He doesn't want to qualify to SS finals? and why he decides to compete in ABC 07? (For sure he was afraids to fight against top players especially the SPECIAL ONE, LIN DAN).

Most of the top players were compete in AE & Swiss 07, but ABC was "dominated" by Asia's second class players only. only a COWARD will do like that.

you can judge that... that hurt...
TH has made ina proud many times
i know you aren't indonesian, so you can't feel 'that'

a coward one is you, bro :D...

you can just bash your own player

back to where you belong .....

but to where.. you've been already rejected :D :p :p

[CLELY]

According to one article from BWF website, the potential candidates to crown World Champion 2007 :

- The top-4 hot faves : LD, LCW, TH and PG
- The darkhorses : BCL, CJ, Lee Hyun Il, Hafiz, KJ plus INA 2S (Sony & Simon)

For us, just watch them and enjoy the matches whoever will win!

[Joyous]

Quote Clely [For us, just watch them and enjoy the matches whoever will win!]

That's true.

Die hard fans are inclined to wishful thinking prediction while others will probably go according to books.

[jbchiong]

IMO, the potential candidates to crown World Champion 2007 are nonetheless the top 20. :)

[jbchiong]

That means Yoyoman Hafiz included.

[indra]

IMO, the potential candidates to crown World Champion 2007 are nonetheless the top 20. :)


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[jbchiong]

Please scroll down... TH

He's included in my list. In fact, he's one of the top 4 besides, LCW, PG & LD. But my top 1 is LCW. So, good luck to you and your idol.

[tjl_vanguard]

MS: LCW

hahahahaa

indra will definitely say something bout this one... :D

[jbchiong]

MS: LCW

hahahahaa

indra will definitely say something bout this one... :D

No need. He already made his point. :cool:

[koo_fan]

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Taufiq with a corporate touch???.plez.. its not him.absolutely not.I prefer him on casual t-shirt.

[robin7]

Thanx 4 sharing this stories.. Now I know Y JXP was forced to be retired.
U see, Last time CH force him to retire, And now its LD/BCL turn to force CH to resign from CHn National team. Wonder who will actually be the next victims.. those kinda systems really sucks. If JXP, CH were to be in MAS / INA or any countries.. I am sure their carrier will last longer than in CHN !
Will LD & BCL be forced to be retired after OG08?

[luv_taufik_eva]

hopefully taufik will become the champion..
:D:D:D

[luv_taufik_eva]

Taufiq with a corporate touch???.plez.. its not him.absolutely not.I prefer him on casual t-shirt.

i think he look good..:D:D
btw, where's the pic is taken from..?

[Persson]

why do you even wanna use your time on such a stupid topic....when we all know that Peter Gade will win? :D

[samuel882]

Will LD & BCL be forced to be retired after OG08?
That's no 1 can be assured of except the CHN Team Coaches or the player themselves.. But i really hopes both of them can keeps playing in the badminton arena . This will maintain the high standards of Badminton matches.. Imagine one of these days.. We wont be able to see LD/BCL & LCW/TH (who constantly published that they will retired after OG08). How the Badminton matches gonna looks like? Dull? I cant even wanna fink about that :mad:

[badminto_expert]

I don't want LD will champion again..

Hopefully LCW or TH came to be the Champion for WC2007


It's clear that Lin Dan took 2:0 lead during their head to head debut. But according to your record, Taufik won the 2nd meet. You must have missed another Lin Dan's victory at the beginning. I have posted on this forum before that time when Lin Dan took an early lead 2:0 in their head to head. I predicted here on this forum even that time, Lin Dan - Taufik rivalry could last for several years.

The other thing you missed is that Lin Dan beat Taufik at last year HK open. I remember that too. The score was 4:1

[badminto_expert]

Agree with u. TH better than LD.

So example like net, backhand, and return smash Taufik better.


If Torres wants to look down on TH,(his own people),I got nothing to say.
its useless to argue with him on this issue.
TH is a better player than LD and everyone admit that statement. if he refuses,it is up to him.

[badminto_expert]

To Taufik-list: Torres comment is not base on the fact. China have. Ina also have right.

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To Torres: INA have alot of legend likes: Tan Joe Hok, Fery, Mulyadi, Rudy Hartono, Liem Swie King, Icuk Sugiarto, Astomo Arbi, Heryanto Arbi, Hermawan Susanto, Hendrawan, Ardi BW, Taufik Hidayat.

OH. I can also join the tournament if I have lucky so I can be the Champion...hhhaaa...

Taufik Hidayat beat LD in the Olimpic Games.. So you can say Lucky for this? And I sam he beat lin Dan so very easy..At the time taufik performance very good..He beat LD Straight Set.

Taufik beat LD in the Asian Games 2006... So you want to say again lucky? He beat Lin Dan Straight Set.

And I also can say: LD,BCL, CJ, CH, Yang Yang, Zoa Jian Hua Lucky because China got alot of player and so they send all to avoid the another country to take the champion...
Note: Taufik only by himself fight to LD, BCL, CH and PG and LCW...OK... It is good players..


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For sure, LD will be listed in BWF hall of fame.
LD's achievement is BETTER than TH. TH only can win occasionally (only needs 12 matches to won, to grab the OG & WC title), but LD can MAINTAIN WR#1 position for 3 consecutive years (120 matches to won is not enough).

Again, a lucky player only can win occasionally (likes Alan Budi Kusuma, Ji Xin Peng, Flemming Delfs, and also Taufik), but a REAL CHAMPION likes Yang Yang, Zhao Jian Hua, and Lin Dan can win intensively and regularly.



alan and TH are lucky players..... WTF......
a player who can win AG (twice), OC, WC and other tournaments is a lucky player ????????
GOD must love him very much, if you think TH is always lucky :) :)
btw do u know badminton ?
Xi jie peng is a lucky player.. he could only win OC 2000 after that he 'sank down'...
make sure Lin dan can win OC 2008
or
he will never be considered as a legend... :p :p :p
:D :D :D :D :D :p

[badminto_expert]

Hi Taufik-list,

Actually I want to say that Rudy Hartono got a little Lucky because at the time China not join to IBF yet.

Rudy HArtono always lost to Hau Jia Chiang and Tang Xin Hu at the time at ABC Tournaments. Only Ie Sumirat can beat Hau Jia Chiang and Tang Xin Hu.

I don't thing Rudi Hartono can get 7AE Titles if China already in the IBF at the time. This one base on the fact.

I want to say: Taufik Hidayat one of the talent player from Indonesia. Good Skill.

You are right, I am agree. Different era..different players..So can't compare...
For example: Why Liem Swie King lost to Zoa Jian Hua last time. The answer is At the Time the era made changed..Zoa still young and Liem Swie King already married and got kids and already old.

I don't thing Zoa Jian Hua can beat Taufik Hidayat if ZJH came to now. The skill for both of them still Taufik Hidayat Better.

Zoa Jian Hua also not consistent player...He ever lost to Hendry Saputra, Ardy BW, Hermawan Susanto.

nobody can be the consistent players actually. because our is the a human..We have Weekness and have strenghtness.


who said yang yang is not a legend...

rudy hartono is the only player who can win 7 AE titles (6 titles in arow).. could yang yang do that... ? AE was there when yang yang stil played:D :D

we can't also compare yang yang with rudy hartono :D:D:D:D:D

Taufik is listed in WBF hall of fame, so is yang yang :p :p
and your idol is not listed yet, he will be there soon, be patient :p

different era, different players, different fans

case close

[KlasseE]

Hi Taufik-list,

Only Ie Sumirat can beat Hau Jia Chiang and Tang Xin Hu.

I don't thing Rudi Hartono can get 7AE Titles if China already in the IBF at the time. This one base on the fact.

I want to say: Taufik Hidayat one of the talent player from Indonesia. Good Skill.

Different era..different players..So can't compare...

I don't thing Zoa Jian Hua can beat Taufik Hidayat if ZJH came to now. The skill for both of them still Taufik Hidayat Better.

Zoa Jian Hua also not consistent player...He ever lost to Hendry Saputra, Ardy BW, Hermawan Susanto.

nobody can be the consistent players actually. because our is the a human..We have Weekness and have strenghtness.

FULLY AGREE
For me Sumirat must be the No. 1 legend
Taufik - talent plus skill
Lee Chong Wei - hard work plus speed and skill
LD - LYB (no need to eplain) plus stamina and power

[vching]

why everyone calling Zhao Jian Hua Zoa Jian Hua

[indra]

hopefully taufik will become the champion..
:D:D:D

I found an article from BOLA tabloid (August 10, 2007)...here is the ENglish translation:

FOCUS, TAUFIK

All problems that disturbed his concentration have now disappeared. All he has to do now is to concentrate and set focus on the WC XVI in KL. He is now concentrating to win a second WC title.

" I will have to focus my mind to the fame. I am prepared to play in this WC," he said.

His little baby, Alika Hidayat, has motivated him to win the championship. His mind is now set on the WC.

Being a father now, he is now more enthusiastic and motivated in all aspects of life. Taufik, 26, born on August 10, wants to give a very special gift to his baby and himself.

It means that he will absolutely do his best to win the game. Therefore, TH will be the most dangerous man in the Stadium Putra, Bukit Jalil.

Taufik has a sweet memory on this stadium. It was in 2000 during the Thomas Cup when he defeated Ji Xipeng, making Indonesia defeat China 3-0 in the Final Round.

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[koo_fan]

why do you even wanna use your time on such a stupid topic....when we all know that Peter Gade will win? :D
well, u can have a dream..
Is gade have the ability to win in this WC ?I doubt it.
but he have the confidence to perform the best( according to his statement to malaysian press just now)

[Persson]

If he performs his best he will easily beat all the other "famous" players :D

[OneToughBirdie]

If he performs his best he will easily beat all the other "famous" players :D
Agree with you 100% PG will easily beat all the other "famous" players, only if all the other "famous" players are stoned, hangover, injured or walkovers....hahaha!!!LOL!!:p

[Persson]

If he performs his best he will easily beat all the other "famous" players :D

[pjswift]

Well, Indra , X Ball, you now have a match in Denmark! Persson, thanks for being such a good sport. Pls keep going. Reflection off three mirrors is just hilarious!

[bananaboy]

Well, Indra , X Ball, you now have a match in Denmark! Persson, thanks for being such a good sport. Pls keep going. Reflection off three mirrors is just hilarious!


Good try, keeping yourself out of the group...LOL.:D

[Persson]

Gade for president !

[samuel882]

Gade for president !

LOL.. President of Denmark u meant?:D:D

[Persson]

President of badminton and queen of Denmark....I mean look at that mans skills....sweeeet :D

[pjswift]

Good try, keeping yourself out of the group...LOL.:D
Just missed the cut cos I'm too serious. You qualify but you have to find a Canadian champion first.Milroy? He's president of Badminton Players Association?

[bananaboy]

Well, Indra , X Ball, you now have a match in Denmark! Persson, thanks for being such a good sport. Pls keep going. Reflection off three mirrors is just hilarious!


Just missed the cut cos I'm too serious. You qualify but you have to find a Canadian champion first.Milroy? He's president of Badminton Players Association?


If you ask Indra, X Ball, and Persson... they will also tell you that they are very serious as well...LOL:D

[Krisna]

LOL.. President of Denmark u meant?:D:D

At this time, Denmark is a kingdom. It cannot have a President. Gade has to overthrow the King first... :D

[Persson]

Denmark doesnt have a king but a queen....either way Gade will beat of them favorite players....without even losing a set....wait and see :D

[extremenanopowe]

I'll root for the malaysia champion to win. Home ground advantage. Now or never. Anyone going to BKT Jalil? See you there! Am staying near the komanwel condo as well. Just next to the hospital and sri petaling lrt. My ex-state buddy is there.
rgds:D

[robin7]

I just sense that there will be a new world champion this year...

























You are right...

[taufik-ist]

I just sense that there will be a new world champion this year...

You are right...

i will cheer him as long as he doesn't meet TH :D :p

[NanoNani]

I predict Lin Dan will win, however I will keep supporting Lee Chong Wei. Malaysia Boleh!

[luv_taufik_eva]

i will support for taufik n chong wei..
but taufik still in the first place lah..
muahaha..:D;):):p

[robin7]

i will cheer him as long as he doesn't meet TH :D :p
I will cheer for TH if he meets LD too.:D

[samuel882]

Its nice to see MAS & INA fans are united to cheered for TH in the QF... Its gonna be a very rare case considered both country are the arch rivals in Badminton history.

[taufik-ist]

Its nice to see MAS & INA fans are united to cheered for TH in the QF... Its gonna be a very rare case considered both country are the arch rivals in Badminton history.

same 'enemy' has united us :D :D

[koo_fan]

how long i have waited for this realisation....

[taufik-ist]

how long i have waited for this realisation....

waiting for what :rolleyes: :confused:

[koo_fan]

waiting for what :rolleyes: :confused:
Indo and malaysian should support each other long time ago but we always say TH is better than LCW and LCW is better than TH.
It is nice to see a malaysian and indo having a nice and polite conversation.

[taufik-ist]

Indo and malaysian should support each other long time ago but we always say TH is better than LCW and LCW is better than TH.
It is nice to see a malaysian and indo having a nice and polite conversation.

he..he
:p :D

Lcw and Th are in the same side now... to break china domination

[2cents]

he..he
:p :D

Lcw and Th are in the same side now... to break china domination

Why you guys always turn sports into wars between nationals?

I only see individuals, Lin Dan, Lee CW, Taufik, and Peter Gade, not China, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Denmark.

You could be a fan of an individual player, but if you are a fan of a nation? That's kind of sick, at least not healthy factor for the main thing.

The main thing is to enjoy badminton, not the war between nations. :D

[xofrevlis]

Why you guys always turn sports into wars between nationals?

I only see individuals, Lin Dan, Lee CW, Taufik, and Peter Gade, not China, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Denmark.

You could be a fan of an individual player, but if you are a fan of a nation? That's kind of sick, at least not healthy factor for the main thing.

The main thing is to enjoy badminton, not the war between nations. :D

The sad truth is that many want China to fail for one reason or another.

[samuel882]

Most of us are eagerly anticipating for a new World champions. Take away the nationality conflicts.. We would like to see a new born champions for each of the world championship. For those who claiming the former greats whom ever won AE in many occasions: It is the past.. Lets looks forward to future for many different sets of Players to shine in WC especially. At least we could witness the variety style of games from each & every different champions.

[tommy_bun]

I'll go for Chen Yu

[taufik-ist]

The sad truth is that many want China to fail for one reason or another.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4614/sugarwarez189yq0.gif i'm boring to see china domination

[KlasseE]

The sad truth is that many want China to fail for one reason or another.
The real sad truth is that even fans from HK hope CHN to grab all 5 OUT OF 5 but glory belong to CHN not HK, sad for WANG CHEN

[tommy_bun]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4614/sugarwarez189yq0.gif i'm boring to see china domination

Do you feel boring when Ina dominanted badminton in 80's and 90's???:p

[zqloy]

The sad truth is that many want China to fail for one reason or another.

Its sorta normal when u win too much. Everybody wanted Indo to lose too when they r dominating the scene during the last decade. :p

[zqloy]

I'll go for Chen Yu

Lol... out of the ones like TH, LCW, LD, BCL.... u choose CY? CY is a good player, but he is no champion material. But he might be dangerous in spoiling LCW chances to the finals.... :cool: