Japan Open 2006: FINALS (15/10)

[badMania]

MEN'S SINGLES
Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (MATCH OF THE DAY) -- no doubt about it, the match of the finals. Taufik is currently on form and if he is really determined to win, he should prove it on the court!

MEN'S DOUBLES
Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- the ex Olympic champion is also on form and they should beat the scratch Malaysian pairing.

WOMEN'S SINGLES
Zhang Ning vs Xie Xing Fang

WOMEN'S DOUBLES
Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen

MIXED DOUBLES
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa -- an all-Indonesian Final for once...and the world no 1 should take home their 5th title of the year.

[**KZ**]

agree with all of your predictions but I'll be happier if KKK/TBH will be able to beat the seniors....Taufik is on fire....he should beat LD....

[seawell]

MEN'S SINGLES
Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (lin should prove the value of his world champion,hoping Taufik doesn't withdraw the final:eek: :D )

MEN'S DOUBLES
Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong

WOMEN'S SINGLES
Zhang Ning vs Xie Xing Fang

WOMEN'S DOUBLES
Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen

MIXED DOUBLES
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa

[z3048018]

MS
have been waiting for this showdown for quite a while since we only saw a partial game in the HKO. this will probably be the talk of the finals. well, for me, my heart goes to LD, but the money goes to TH to win the finals.

WS
are we getting bored by typing only 5 letters i.e. XXF and ZN? :D
XXF should win the JO from ZN. of the times they played, XXF has won quite convincingly and expect her to continue that tomorrow.

MD
young vs old? sorry Malaysian fans, the TG/CW partnership will be too strong for the Malaysian pair. just look what they did to CY/FHF - they were decimated! :crying: :crying: :crying:

WD
this should be a close contest but money, and heart, goes to GL/HS

MXD
my new love for cutie Natsir (:) ) forces me to vote for NW/LN to take the title :D :o

[xijiayu]

I think LD will win this time. He is the most consistent player so far and deserved the title, although I am neither his fan nor TH fan. I would be jubilating if msian young pair win tomorrow. They have nothing to lose actually.

[z3048018]

seawell, that's cruel, but funny :D :p :D :p

[jiayou]

ho ho ho...... Tony&Candra will win tomorrow.....

They will surely winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ....

Tony&Candra Rules !!

[DoublesPlayer]

My predictions

MS: Taufik will win in 2 sets, or Lin Dan will win in 3 sets, if the game is tight, Lin Dan will win as he has better stamina than Taufik
MD: Tony/Candra will win in 2 sets
XD: Flandy/Vita will win in 3 sets, I admire Flandy as an excellent doubles player, especially in XD.
WS: XXF will win again
WD: Gao/Huang will win

[izwanSKR]

i m not surpised CY/FH lose to tony/candra but surprised they lose quite easily.they are no 1 pair in the world n lose that match easily.are all the apirs now weaker than the past generation?imagine if park joo bong-kim moon soo,rexy-ricky,yongbo n his partner,soon kit-kim hock still young n play.but honestly for indonesians,i m glad if they can produce great pair like rexy-ricky n candra-tony/sigit again.for KKK-TBH,if keep playing together,they can improve more since they still young

[baihaki_as]

my prediction

MS
Taufik will win this match i think he has high motivation now, lin dan will try to prove he's better than taufik but i think that will becomes burden for him

MD
Surely Tony/chandra they are in the best form now

XD
Nova/butet will have tough game now i think vita will prove than she's better than butet

WS/WD
This is boring match, chinese too dominant in here

[cao ci dan]

MEN'S SINGLES
Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat -- he should win!:D

MEN'S DOUBLES
Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- no need to say more!

WOMEN'S SINGLES
Zhang Ning vs Xie Xing Fang

WOMEN'S DOUBLES
Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen

MIXED DOUBLES
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa

[nwy5633]

i m not surpised CY/FH lose to tony/candra but surprised they lose quite easily.they are no 1 pair in the world n lose that match easily.are all the apirs now weaker than the past generation?
we will now the fact 2mmorow...
as the past generation vs new generation...
although many will bank on TG/CW...:cool:
but the younger pair got nth to lose...
so i think it will be decided in rubber set...:rolleyes:
still support malaysia although it look hard for them...:p
caz MALAYSIA BOLEH!:D

[Jimmy Ng]

Hope Zhang Ning can win this time to keep the spirit up.

[NgauNgau]

Wats da results for da Fu/Cai vs TG/CW game in da semi? Is it 0-2 or 1-2? What's da points?

[kemana]

Have Flandy Limpele and Vita Marissa been paired for a long time?
I think they are really outstanding this time

[izwanSKR]

11-21,11-21.hope KKK/TBH can beat TG/CW tomorrow.malaysia boleh

[Juicetalk]

i m not surpised CY/FH lose to tony/candra but surprised they lose quite easily.they are no 1 pair in the world n lose that match easily.are all the apirs now weaker than the past generation?imagine if park joo bong-kim moon soo,rexy-ricky,yongbo n his partner,soon kit-kim hock still young n play.but honestly for indonesians,i m glad if they can produce great pair like rexy-ricky n candra-tony/sigit again.for KKK-TBH,if keep playing together,they can improve more since they still young

Yes, I have watched most of the recent double players, the malay pairs, chinese pairs, danish one they need a level to improve. every pairs have their own problems, that is why sometimes KKK won , sometimes CAI/FO won, weak attack or poor defense. I don't see anyone more skillful than the old champs, even as good as the late 90's top players.

[NgauNgau]

11-21,11-21.hope KKK/TBH can beat TG/CW tomorrow.malaysia boleh
:eek: MY GOD!!! :crying: :crying: :crying: I can't blif it!! Did u watch da match? Were dey reali... hopeless? It's jz so mafan Astro didn't broadcast JO except da finals.

[izwanSKR]

i m just checked the result.not watch it.hope that result was true

[kemana]

11-21,11-21.hope KKK/TBH can beat TG/CW tomorrow.malaysia boleh
And have KKK/TBH been paired before? New pairs are doing great job this time.

[minnah]

chayyo kkk n tbh!!! do the best for tomorrow!!!
stive for malaysia k...
Malaysia Boleh!!!!

[NgauNgau]

And have KKK/TBH been paired before? New pairs are doing great job this time.
I dun think they hav. I was shocked when I knew dey succeed in steppin into da final, when even fu/cai can't. :crying: Bt 'add oil' KKK/TBH!

[chris-ccc]

And have KKK/TBH been paired before? New pairs are doing great job this time.


Hi kemana,

This is only the second time KKK & TBH pairing together.

Cheers... chris@ccc

[kemana]

Hi kemana,

This is only the second time KKK & TBH pairing together.

Cheers... chris@ccc
wow,then they are relly doing great job this time.
btw, thank you for the info:)

[tkm....]

Go go go KKK/TBH!!!!

[ants]

MS: Lindan 51% Taufik 49%.
WS: XXK 60% ZN 40%
MD: KKK/TBH 55% TG/CW 45%
WD: GL/HS 70% WY/ZY 30%
MXD: NW/LN 80% FL/VM 20%

[roller]

i m not surpised CY/FH lose to tony/candra but surprised they lose quite easily.they are no 1 pair in the world n lose that match easily.are all the apirs now weaker than the past generation?imagine if park joo bong-kim moon soo,rexy-ricky,yongbo n his partner,soon kit-kim hock still young n play.but honestly for indonesians,i m glad if they can produce great pair like rexy-ricky n candra-tony/sigit again.for KKK-TBH,if keep playing together,they can improve more since they still young

even though tony/candra may be older than the rest of the players, they are playing at their peak form now just like eriksen.

[masterwong01]

i like candra wijaya so much :) n hope he'll win since he partnered with tony again, but since KKK n TBH reached finals, of course i hope they will win coz they are malaysia's sole representative.. so complicated...

[abedeng]

i like candra wijaya so much :) n hope he'll win since he partnered with tony again, but KKK n TBH reached finals, of course i hope they will win. they are malaysia's sole representative.. so complicated...

Me too, great to see Tony and Chandra's commitment despite no longer under PBSI training. All the more reasons to say that true champions are born, not made.

Taufik is in the same mould too, if he were less of a rebel he could have matched Rudy Hartono's achievements. Will definitely root for him against the "mass production machine" Lin Dan.

Interesting to see that China's "mass production plant" cannot build comparable MD, Li Yongbo's achilles heel. Perhaps it's meant to be that the best Chinese MD pair of all time remains Yongbo and Tian Bingyi.:D

That said, all the best to Koo and Tan too. Hope they play well, I was kinda disappointed with Koo's performance in WC XD semis, not that I was expecting them to win (since XD is like a part time, no training provided job for Koo and Wong).

[abedeng]

i m not surpised CY/FH lose to tony/candra but surprised they lose quite easily.they are no 1 pair in the world n lose that match easily.are all the apirs now weaker than the past generation?imagine if park joo bong-kim moon soo,rexy-ricky,yongbo n his partner,soon kit-kim hock still young n play.but honestly for indonesians,i m glad if they can produce great pair like rexy-ricky n candra-tony/sigit again.for KKK-TBH,if keep playing together,they can improve more since they still young

One reason I can think of is that Cai/Fu can only play one tempo, and that is fast, pressing attack. That's why they have limited success against MAS and Indonesian pairs, and even Jonas/Lars. They do better against Koreans (who also play similar style) though.

But it is generally true that since Joo-Bong/Moon-Soo, Sidek brothers and Yongbo/Bingyi era, standards dropped slightly as pairs begun to concentrate on speed and attack, more than technique. Ricky/Rexy, Soon Kit/Kim Hock, Sigit/Chandra and Dong Moon/Tae Kwon were the first to do this. The difference was that all these pairs did not neglect defense, so standards did not improve, but did not suffer much.

Now Cai/Fu and Jung/Lee of Korea had brought the speed portion to a different dimension. Defense is no longer top priority, even more so when 21 pts per rally system is in force.

[DinkAlot]

I hope:

LD
ZN
Gunawan/Wijaya
Gao/Huang
Limpele/Marissa

:)

[ctjcad]

Have Flandy Limpele and Vita Marissa been paired for a long time?
I think they are really outstanding this time
yes, they have been paired up before, actually quite recently, i believe in the tournament just prior to the World Championship or 1 before that..not sure-badMania can confirm this for us..;)

[ctjcad]

even though tony/candra may be older than the rest of the players, they are playing at their peak form now just like eriksen.
..And it's especially true, with Tony competing and sparring frequently(i believe 3-4 days/week) nowadays in Denmark, it's not only keeping himself much more in shape physically but also mentally, unlike when he was just coaching in the U.S...It should be interesting how they fare next week though, if they are competing in the China Open..:rolleyes: ;)

[jgao_net]

One reason I can think of is that Cai/Fu can only play one tempo, and that is fast, pressing attack. That's why they have limited success against MAS and Indonesian pairs, and even Jonas/Lars. They do better against Koreans (who also play similar style) though.

that can't be true. sigit/candra and candra/gunawan are all very attacking teams although they do love to defend. that's why the indonesian's are so successful in MD because they can counter attack so effecitively yet can still win a point from the back of the court.

cai/fu also play a style very similar to the indonesian's but they attack much more although they to can defend when need be(it's just not as good as the indo's).

the reason why i think the chinese pair lost so badly today was that they had a mental breakdown. i havent watched the game yet, but i dont think the indo's outskilled the chinese pair but i could totally be wrong.

[Peter5124]

what time does JO final start tomorrow? thanks

[ctjcad]

MEN'S SINGLES
Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (MATCH OF THE DAY) -- no doubt about it, the match of the finals. Taufik is currently on form and if he is really determined to win, he should prove it on the court!

MEN'S DOUBLES
Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- the ex Olympic champion is also on form and they should beat the scratch Malaysian pairing.

WOMEN'S SINGLES
Zhang Ning vs Xie Xing Fang

WOMEN'S DOUBLES
Gao Ling/Huang Sui vs Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen

MIXED DOUBLES
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa -- an all-Indonesian Final for once...and the world no 1 should take home their 5th title of the year.
..For all intents and purposes, congrats again to all the would be winners and runner-ups in the JO...Now, looking fw to China Open next week...Will the CHN squad dominate the tournament?? Esp. I can sense Chen Jin and the rest of the "rested" CHN players are waiting and licking their chops for next week's event..;):):D:cool:..
**Off-topic:badMania, hope you can catch the Finals actions tonight online...and have a safe journey back to S.F...;)

[chikkubhai]

Somebody? Why is the 2006 Japan Open & China Open Live Webcasts (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36931) forum closed?? Arent there any live matches atleast today??

[ctjcad]

Somebody? Why is the 2006 Japan Open & China Open Live Webcasts (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36931) forum closed?? Arent there any live matches atleast today??
i believe the mods locked/closed the thread becuase the posts have gotten out of topic...there should be webcasts for the Finals, so hopefully they'll show them...stay tune..:p;)

[badMania]

yes, they have been paired up before, actually quite recently, i believe in the tournament just prior to the World Championship or 1 before that..not sure-badMania can confirm this for us..;)

NO, it's the first time Flandy Limpele is being paired up with Vita Marissa. He was paired with Lita Nurlita in the Korea and HK Open, but the results were not promising.

Vita needs a partner because of the injury to her current partner, Anggun Nugroho. Anyway, their record isn't that good also. With the Asian Games (and next year's Sudirman Cup in mind) looming, Indonesia needs a second XD pair badly. Although Mohd Rizal/Gresya Polii are beginning to show their potential, they are still a pair for the future and not ready to take on the responsibility yet! Therefore, Richard Mainaky decides to pair Vita with Flandy. Again, his bet is successful here....:eek:

With Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen still not in top form, Zhang Jun/Gao Ling continue to be in decline, and Lee Hyo Jung still injured, I would say that Nova/Butet are definitely the top contender for the Asian Games gold.

[ctjcad]

NO, it's the first time Flandy Limpele is being paired up with Vita Marissa. He was paired with Lita Nurlita in the Korea and HK Open, but the results were not promising.

Vita needs a partner because of the injury to her current partner, Anggun Nugroho. Anyway, their record isn't that good also. With the Asian Games (and next year's Sudirman Cup in mind) looming, Indonesia needs a second XD pair badly. Although Mohd Rizal/Gresya Polii are beginning to show their potential, they are still a pair for the future and not ready to take on the responsibility yet! Therefore, Richard Mainaky decides to pair Vita with Flandy. Again, his bet is successful here....:eek:
i see, i see..Thanks for clarifying that up.;).
Yah, i remember Flandy paired with another gal recently in a tournament, but forgot which one...On that note, it's quite a surprise that this newly formed tandem went this far..IMO, it will be better because Vita used to play XD before with Nova, i believe, thus she has some experience..And of course, Flandy has been a MD specialist..But if this tandem is a "go", then the one that is left out is Lita..:rolleyes: Although she is probably more of a WD specialists...But who knows, maybe she can be paired up with Anggun later on, once he comes back from his recuperation period..:rolleyes: :)

[ricksakti]

when is the game started? are they playing already?

[ehooh14]

the final has not started

[cooler]

i hope the final is on live streaming

[Lennethe]

the final has not started

if not wrong is 1200 noon malaysia time, astro channel 80/81/81, don't know which one :p

[xiao yun]

:p
MS
have been waiting for this showdown for quite a while since we only saw a partial game in the HKO. this will probably be the talk of the finals. well, for me, my heart goes to LD, but the money goes to TH to win the finals.

WS
are we getting bored by typing only 5 letters i.e. XXF and ZN? :D
XXF should win the JO from ZN. of the times they played, XXF has won quite convincingly and expect her to continue that tomorrow.

MD
young vs old? sorry Malaysian fans, the TG/CW partnership will be too strong for the Malaysian pair. just look what they did to CY/FHF - they were decimated! :crying: :crying: :crying:

WD
this should be a close contest but money, and heart, goes to GL/HS

MXD
my new love for cutie Natsir (:) ) forces me to vote for NW/LN to take the title :D :o

yeah...i surely think like dat too..
MS --> it just like TH will win the game 4 dis time, but surely i support LD :p

MD -->sorry for them who support malaysia... i believe Tony/Candra could win the game against Malaysia...since they're the best pair that ever have...:D :p

XD --> i've got suprised too actually dat flandy/vita can reach the final, yet they're still new pair (i think)...n i think next time better vita pair up with flandy than vita with anggun... but of coz i still support my favourite mix double, nova/lilyana...:D

WS, WD --> i think for now, best women players is still dominated by china...since there're no other players can beat them, they're too strong ;)
For WS i vote for XXF, n for WD still my favourite players that is GaoLing/HuangSui...Jia You!!!:D :D

[cooler]

i hope MAL MD's heads wouldn't roll. Really can't blame them playing against living legends.

[Jinky]

im just wondering....i thought candra's pair is sigit??

[Jessica]

Are there any live coverage online???I really wish to see the final match...

[xiao yun]

im just wondering....i thought candra's pair is sigit??

No, Tony/Candra have already paired up before Sigit ;) , ..n they are best friends...their strong relationship will beat all the players..Love u All...jia you!!!:D :D :D

[DoublesPlayer]

Anybody knows if the final will be live on CCTV-5? Thanks.

[zqloy]

that can't be true. sigit/candra and candra/gunawan are all very attacking teams although they do love to defend. that's why the indonesian's are so successful in MD because they can counter attack so effecitively yet can still win a point from the back of the court.

cai/fu also play a style very similar to the indonesian's but they attack much more although they to can defend when need be(it's just not as good as the indo's).

the reason why i think the chinese pair lost so badly today was that they had a mental breakdown. i havent watched the game yet, but i dont think the indo's outskilled the chinese pair but i could totally be wrong.
Cai/Fu DOES NOT play like the Indons. The Indons esp like Candra/Tony/Halim/Sigit are excellent in defense and flat drives which is the weak spot for Cai/Fu. Cai/Fu r typical smashing machine which occasionally hv good shuttle placing, but its still not enough. While the Msian style r more similar to Indons esp since Rexy started coaching our MDs.

[chikkubhai]

what are the replies regarding the live webcast and will there be any live streaming or not??

[maa2003]

IIRC, actually no ..... Candra was paired with Sigit while Tony Gunawan with Halim Heryanto, as a back-up for Ricky/Rexy and Antonius/Denny (Olympics Gold and Bronze Medalists in 1996) .......
Candra/Sigit became World Champion in 1997, but during that time, Tony Gunawan/Halim Heryanto was not in their top performance ..... (Tony Gunawan/Halim Heryanto became World Champion later in 2001).

Later Sigit Budiarto got banned from IBF for 2 years due to doping case (I forget which tournament) from 1998 till 2000 (please correct me if I'm wrong), so Candra/Sigit has to be separated ....... Candra then paired with Tony Gunawan ..... and not bad coz they became AE 1998 runner-up, AE 1999 champion and Olympics 2000 Gold.

After Sigit returned, Candra and Sigit paired again and reach AE 2001 final, but then were beaten by Tony Gunawan/Halim Heryanto.
Candra/Sigit later become AE 2003 champ, 2 times runner-up in WC 2003 (in SF they beaten Fu/Cai but lost to Jonas Rasmussen/Lars Paarske in Final) and WC 2005 (lost to Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach) ...... Thomas Cup 2006 Japan was they last event, after that Candra retired from PBSI (his reason to make a way for other pairs), ....... Sigit paired with Limpele became Aviva 2006 champ.

But, Candra paired again with Tony Gunawan later in 2006 ........ actually I hope they could participate in last WC 2006 Madrid.


No, Tony/Candra have already paired up before Sigit ;) , ..n they are best friends...their strong relationship will beat all the players..Love u All...jia you!!!:D :D :D

[baihaki_as]

i hope candra/tony can play for ina in olympics in beijing

[kemana]

Anybody knows if the final will be live on CCTV-5? Thanks.
they said the broadcaset on cctv5 will begin on 12:30.

[cooler]

they said the broadcaset on cctv5 will begin on 12:30.how many hours from now??
It is 1:06pm at tokyo now.

[maa2003]

how many hours from now??

30 minutes ......... CCTV5 just finished the boxing, now is Sport News.
I'm watching via TVU Player.

[ctjcad]

they said the broadcaset on cctv5 will begin on 12:30.

how many hours from now??
It is 1:06pm at tokyo now.


30 minutes ......... CCTV5 just finished the boxing, now is Sport News.
I'm watching via TVU Player.
...hmm, the matches should start now....yah, i'm watching thru TVUPlayer also, but CCTV5 is showing some Sports News..:p
I have a hunch they'll broadcast @ 12:30 pm(CHN time/9:30 PST U.S. time) because perhaps they want to skip the XD event(as there are no CHN players competing??)...Anyone following the Finals and knows which event will start first-thx??..:confused: :rolleyes:
If so, then with a 2-hr time slot, i don't know if they'll show the MD Final or not...As the 2nd, 3rd and 4th events will involve a CHN player(s)...And MD could be the last event of the Final?!..:rolleyes: :p :(

[Tjun Tjun]

Mixed doubles about to start at Astro Supersport.

G. Gilks is the commentator for today's finals. :D :D :D

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa
6-3

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa
9-5

[Jessica]

I hope they will show the MD...Really wish to watch...

[zqloy]

I hope they will show the MD...Really wish to watch...

Is MD the last match?

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa
11-5, Marissa making an error by smashing into the net.

[ctjcad]

Mixed doubles about to start at Astro Supersport.

G. Gilks is the commentator for today's finals. :D :D :D
hmm, just as i expected....CCTV5(webcast) won't show any event(s) that doesn't have any CHN player(s) involved...:p :(
2nd, 3rd and 4th events will be MS, WS & WD, in no particular order...Let's just hope those 3 events will end within 1 1/2 hrs so they'll show some MD Final(thru webcast)..:p

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa
13-7

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa
15-10

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa
16-11

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa
18-11, Limpele sent shuttle out

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa
21-11, too easy for Widianto/Natsir.

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
0-3, good start by Limpele/Marissa

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
0-5!!!

[z3048018]

schedule as follows:

MXD
WS
MD
MS
WD

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
0-7

[Jessica]

Luckily MD is not the last match....I really wish to watch the MD...

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
2-8

[rhinovinda]

how about solar at tvants (badmintonworld.org)? do they show match except chinese players?. Anybody has seen it through tvants?.

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
4-9

[Jessica]

Seem like the XD will go to rubber set....Is the another pair from indo is new paie..They seem on fire...

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
5-11, what a turnaround of fortune.

[z3048018]

i tried to watch it through tvants but had problems opening it. it said it was due to SP2 stuff... i guess for those without live feed will have to rely on Tjun Tjun (thanks)

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
6-12

[ctjcad]

schedule as follows:

MXD
WS
MD
MS
WD

Luckily MD is not the last match....I really wish to watch the MD...
phew, thank goodness!!..:p:( :) :D :cool: ...now, we're just counting down til they broadcast it...:p

[z3048018]

come on Widianto/Natsir

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
9-12, Marissa missed an easy smash at the front court

[phaarix]

Thanks for the updates Tjun Tjun :).

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
12-13!!!!!!

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
14-15

[ctjcad]

i tried to watch it through tvants but had problems opening it. it said it was due to SP2 stuff... i guess for those without live feed will have to rely on Tjun Tjun (thanks)
...same thing with me, no luck with badmintonworld.org.....
Anyways, for those who wants to d.l. and watch CCTV5 thru TVU player, there is still enuff time, so go to this site and d.l....goooooooo NOW!!!:p :) :D
http://www.download.com/TVU-Player/3000-2194_4-10549204.html

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
15-15
15-16

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
16-16
16-17
16-18

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
17-18
17-19

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
17-20, 3 game point!
18-20

[badMania]

...same thing with me, no luck with badmintonworld.org.....
Anyways, for those who wants to d.l. and watch CCTV5 thru TVU player, there is still enuff time, so go to this site and d.l....goooooooo now!!!:p :) :D
http://www.download.com/TVU-Player/3000-2194_4-10549204.html

Hmm...u are also online ah :D

I just returned back to my hotel...but feeling sleepy (as always) now after the incredibly long journey (close to 2 hrs...inclusive of 40 mins of waiting) from downtown to hotel!

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (2nd set)
18-21, won by Limpele/Marissa, now for the rubber!

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
0-0
0-1
0-2

[ctjcad]

Hmm...u are also online ah :D

I just returned back to my hotel...but feeling sleepy (as always) now after the incredibly long journey (close to 2 hrs...inclusive of 40 mins of waiting) from downtown to hotel!
You bet i am!!..it's now 9:34 L.A. time..hehehe:p:):D
If you're feeling sleepy, go get grab a nice cup of warm coffee from lobby/coffee house...You should've gotten it on your way back from downtown...you don't want to miss LD vs. Taufik rematch, don't you??..hehe:p:):D

Anyways, it's playing now on CCTV5...:):cool:

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
1-2
2-2, change of pace by Natsir, deceiving the opponents

[maa2003]

now at CCTV5, but dunno whether 3rd set or not.

[rhinovinda]

cctv-5 is now broadcasting 3rd set of XD.

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
4-4
5-4

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
5-5
6-5
6-6

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
6-7
6-8
7-8

[Dylan]

cctv-5 is now broadcasting 3rd set of XD.
can you please tell me the cctv-5 website where you are viewing it?

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
7-8
8-8

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
8-9
8-10
9-10

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
10-10
10-11

[ctjcad]

can you please tell me the cctv-5 website where you are viewing it?
go see post #89 here to d.l. TVU Player..http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37078&page=5...good luck-:)

[maa2003]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
10-10
10-11

go Marissa/Limpele ......... ast least now INA has another good XD as a back-up for Asian Games and next year WC.

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
12-13
12-14

[ctjcad]

Vita looks quite comfortable defending and smashing the shuttlecock back and at the net...

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
13-16
14-16

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
14-17
14-18
14-19

[ronk]

CCTV 5 is finally showing badminton but it seems to be delayed. They are showing the first set (or my setup is delayed).

TVANTs seems to have a virus or trojan horse or something that is suspicious. My firewall or antispyware catches it and blocks something.

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
15-19
16-19
16-20

[ctjcad]

CCTV 5 is finally showing badminton but it seems to be delayed. They are showing the first set (or my setup is delayed).
it's already the 3rd set....almost the end..;)

[badmad]

same here... my setup is almost delayed by 1mins than that of Tjun Tjun's...

[Tjun Tjun]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
17-20
17-21, unexpected win by Limpele/Marissa

[ctjcad]

The crowd is so quiet....not much cheering and def. not much clapping...i wonder if there will be Taufik's supporters in the crowd chanting his name later on..hmmm:rolleyes: :p :D

[z3048018]

finally, able to watch some live delayed feed!!

[cooler]

anyone know if this stadium have draft problem?

[maa2003]

the unseeded become champion, congrate Limpele/Marissa ........
too bad none of them go to China Open 2006.


Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
17-20
17-21, unexpected win by Limpele/Marissa

[z3048018]

ctjcad, thanks for the link

[*izzyC*]

The crowd is so quiet....not much cheering and def. not much clapping...i wonder if there will be Taufik's supporters in the crowd chanting his name later on..hmmm:rolleyes: :p :D

Its pretty quiet here in the forum too. Where is everyone?

[Jessica]

Is it the WS next???Waiting for the md match...

[kwun]

both pairs are really relax. i think this is a good win for Limpele/Marissa as they haven't been at the top of the game. the weakness of the pair is still Marissa who is not very pro-active in the court. on the other hand, Nova is the worse player between him and Lilyana. i wonder what would happen if Lilyana is partnered with Limpele.

actually, i wonder if Lilyana is partnered with Tony Gunawan, now that would be another Kim/Ra...

[badMania]

The dark horse has won :eek:

Flandy looks pretty aggressive in his attack while Vita is also quite solid guarding the net. Their style really troubles Nova/Butet and they eventually lost in 3 sets :cool:

The good thing is, Indonesia has uncovered a good backup pair which should go far in the Asian Games.

[badmad]

there was not much crowd in the stadium and they were so quiet. i don't see many mixed matches and the last one i saw was during last olympics. and the crowd was almost going crazy.
considering the fact that both teams were indos, there should have more than usual noise... :p

[ronk]

it's already the 3rd set....almost the end..;)

Okay, it is the third set. CCTV5 cut in late so I thought it was the first set. Good win from the underdog.

[Bao]

hei Tjun-Tjun how bout flandy playing? does he play very well? coz he is my fave's left hand player in Indonesia,

[kwun]

the crowd isn't too bad. this is a new and larger stadium than the one they used to use.

[badMania]

on the other hand, Nova is the worse player between him and Lilyana. i wonder what would happen if Lilyana is partnered with Limpele.


This has been the achilles heel of that partnership since they started pairing up end of 2004. Nova is getting old also, so, it's a headache for Richard Mainaky to find a good partner for Lilyana Natsir. Anggun Nugroho and Devin Lahardi are out of the question because they are even worse than Nova! Mohd Rizal has been paired up with Gresya Polii and they are a pair for the future.

One young player who will probably rise up to become Butet's partner is Lingga Lie.

[DinkAlot]

Widianto/Natsir v Limpele/Marissa (rubber set)
17-20
17-21, unexpected win by Limpele/Marissa

WOW! What a win by Limpele/Marissa, congrats! :)

[ctjcad]

there was not much crowd in the stadium and they were so quiet. i don't see many mixed matches and the last one i saw was during last olympics. and the crowd was almost going crazy.
considering the fact that both teams were indos, there should have more than usual noise... :p

the crowd isn't too bad. this is a new and larger stadium than the one they used to use.
yah, i concur...looking at the tv camera pan of the stadium, it's not packed at all...maybe from the other side, it's much more packed?!?!..i know the current stadium hall is 3x the size of the usual stadium where they hold the previous Japan Open(reason:under construction)..
now, they're showing the XD medal ceremony..

[BaddestHawaii]

any idea what is coming up next?

[event]

Well TVAnts is doing well. There are 270 people online as opposed to 9 on TVU. I've seen better receptions but the old adage about beggars comes to mind. It sure is nice to see some coverage after yesterday's deception.

[badmad]

both the teams are so much relaxed as if they know whats the result going to be. maybe the match was fixed!!! ;) no flaring up, guys... :D

[kwun]

it is very nice to see the two pairs so friendly, including the handshake at the end when Lilyana went over to the other end of the court to congratulate Limpele/Marissa, and how they are so close on the podium.

Marissa certainly looks rather touched, i cannot tell if that is tear or sweat on her face though.

[z3048018]

hey, at least it's MUCH better than the here in HK!!

[baihaki_as]

next match is a boring one.....

[kwun]

the lighting at the stadium is quite interesting, looks like it is natural light from the top of the stadium? whatever it is, the lighting condition is very good for badminton as can be seen from the pics ppl have shown.

[DinkAlot]

Marissa certainly looks rather touched, i cannot tell if that is tear or sweat on her face though.

Probably both. :)

[Jinky]

wats the match now??

[BaddestHawaii]

can't wait to watch MS & MD....I guess they will put it last =(

[badmad]

any idea what is coming up next?

i would guess it is MS... though i don't understand chinese at all, but they are mentioning lin dan and taufik's name too often.. so i guess theirs is the next match... or maybe they are also in awe of this match... ;)

[Jessica]

next match is a boring one.....Never mind...wait for the interesting matches like MD and MS...:D Luckily cctv5 got broadcast and they will also broadcast china from from 17t to 22 of october...

[DinkAlot]

next match is a boring one.....

LOL! Whenever someone says that, it must be WS or WD, the all Chinese affair. :p

I used to agree but recently have been watching WD and paying close attention to their respective strategies. Interesting. :)

[event]

any idea what is coming up next?According to the website (http://www.yonexopenjp.com/overviewf.htm), it should have been men's singles followed by women's singles but only the mixed, at the bottom of the list, had a time on it.

[huynd]

Managed to see final actions of the match but could not post thing here! So many ppl are now viewing badmintoncentral :-)

[Jessica]

Now is the WS match..XXF and ZN again..Hope ZN can win...

[ctjcad]

The dark horse has won :eek:

Flandy looks pretty aggressive in his attack while Vita is also quite solid guarding the net. Their style really troubles Nova/Butet and they eventually lost in 3 sets :cool:

The good thing is, Indonesia has uncovered a good backup pair which should go far in the Asian Games.
...I know Flandy has a pretty good sense of doubles play(as i remember from last yr's WC, i saw him sparring with and against all the players during their practice days). I believe i mentioned abt him being given a chance to pair up with a gal for XD a while back, just before he and Eng Hian split up...For some reason he plays "smart" with good placement along with having balanced strokes(forehand and backhand) and can cover pretty good. And now, playing XD, with Vita, i can see a pretty nice growth opportunity for both of them..The only thing that maybe of "concern" is Vita's previous injury & surgery(i believe it was her back??)..:confused: :rolleyes: :p

[badMania]

Marissa certainly looks rather touched, i cannot tell if that is tear or sweat on her face though.

Indeed...it has been a long time since Vita Marissa won a title! Incidentally, she won the Japan Open 2004 with Nova Widianto :cool:

She was badly injured and required an operation after the Olympics in 2004. That was also the reason why her partnership with Nova was broken up. Nova was then paired up with the very young Lilyana Natsir (18 yo at that time). Who would ever expect that this partnership (despite its weakness) has really blossomed into the world no 1 pair with a gold medal in WC (since Christian Hadinata's time) and several other important titles over the past 3 years.

After her operation, Vita was paired with Devin Lahardi and they won a silver at the Chinese Taipei Open 2005 (losing to Tony Gunawan/Cheng Wen-Hsing). Then, in the middle of this year, she got another new partner in Anggun Nugroho. Their best result was a semi-final in the Malaysia Open 2006, losing to Jonas Rasmussen/Britta Andersen.

[DinkAlot]

Now is the WS match..XXF and ZN again..Hope ZN can win...

Woo-Hoo! Go ZN! :D

[Jessica]

The CCTV 5 comentator always mention LD and taufik...Ha..ha..so funny...

[kwun]

it is amazing how tall XXF & ZN are. it really show when they are standing next to the Japanese ushers.

[Dylan]

do you guys know that flandy is a chain smoker? he must be pretty talented to make up for it

[BaddestHawaii]

website did not indicates seq of events right? MX, WS, MD???

[badMania]

Argghhh...I really feel sleepy now....probably need to take a shower before the MS and MD matches :D

[ctjcad]

the lighting at the stadium is quite interesting, looks like it is natural light from the top of the stadium? whatever it is, the lighting condition is very good for badminton as can be seen from the pics ppl have shown.
hmm, aha, maybe that's one of the "big" reason Bobatea was able to capture those wonderful pics the last 2 days??..hehe;):rolleyes: ;) :) :D :cool:

[Jinky]

it is amazing how tall XXF & ZN are. it really show when they are standing next to the Japanese ushers.
haha...yeah...i hope XXF will win!!

[Mr. HafizDK]

After this ladies final, it's lin dan vs taufik, and afterwards the mens doubles, and at last.... Womens doubles!

Danish television is showing an asian tournament for the first time in many years..

[maa2003]

so, coach Richard Mainacky now can have "gado-gado" 4 XD pairs : Lilyana/Nova, Marissa/Limpele, Lilyana/Limpele, Marissa/Nova


Indeed...it has been a long time since Vita Marissa won a title! Incidentally, she won the Japan Open 2004 with Nova Widianto :cool:

She was badly injured and required an operation after the Olympics in 2004. That was also the reason why her partnership with Nova was broken up. Nova was then paired up with the very young Lilyana Natsir (18 yo at that time). Who would ever expect that this partnership (despite its weakness) has really blossomed into the world no 1 pair with a gold medal in WC (since Christian Hadinata's time) and several other important titles over the past 3 years.

After her operation, Vita was paired with Devin Lahardi and they won a silver at the Chinese Taipei Open 2005 (losing to Tony Gunawan/Cheng Wen-Hsing). Then, in the middle of this year, she got another new partner in Anggun Nugroho. Their best result was a semi-final in the Malaysia Open 2006, losing to Jonas Rasmussen/Britta Andersen.

[Jessica]

XXF is really skinny...

[badmad]

xxf looks cute in that light-purple colored dress... :)

[LI De Quan]

The CCTV 5 comentator always mention LD and taufik...Ha..ha..so funny...Do you understand Chinese?

[ctjcad]

do you guys know that flandy is a chain smoker? he must be pretty talented to make up for it
hmm, i wouldn't say no, but wouldn't say yes either...:rolleyes: ;)

[baihaki_as]

After this ladies final, it's lin dan vs taufik, and afterwards the mens doubles, and at last.... Womens doubles!

Danish television is showing an asian tournament for the first time in many years..

before the last we are going home:D

[Jessica]

Do you understand Chinese?Yes...of course...I am a chinese...:D You think i don't understand chinese right...:D Many peoples also think that but i understand and can speak chinese well...:p

[w3wmfhe]

maybe lee chong wei should be in the WS vs zhang ning ...since his name was appearing on the draw ^_^...then it would be a more interesting final

[ctjcad]

Argghhh...I really feel sleepy now....probably need to take a shower before the MS and MD matches :D
shower won't help, except if you want to take a very cold shower..hehe;):D:p..grab some coffee instead...:p

[z3048018]

geez, haven't seen ZN play so well against XXF in quite a while....but it's still early days yet

[huynd]

ZN leading 13-7

[ronk]

XXF is really skinny...
Yup,

I wonder how she generates the power in her smashes. They seem like fast racket head speed.

[ctjcad]

..as posted here http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37078&page=5
after WS will be MD, MS then WD...

[huynd]

ZN - XXF 15-8 now

[kwun]

way too many mistakes from XXF today.

[nellute]

Zhang Ning is really paying with experience and skills. She seems to retrieve the shuttle very late each shot, but yet still able to place the shuttle with great precision.

Zhang Ning is getting old. Hope she can last the next game.

[huynd]

ZN has been moving XXF all around the court. A good start for ZN. 18-10 now

[Jessica]

XXF seems like giving up in the first set...

[huynd]

unforced error by XXF, game point

[Jessica]

ZN take down the first set 21-11...

[huynd]

1st 21-11 tp ZN

[McAnus]

Please keep updating points ! Thanks :rolleyes: :D

[BaddestHawaii]

thanks ctjcad for the event seq. info =)

[ctjcad]

Its pretty quiet here in the forum too. Where is everyone?
...wait for the next match between Tony/Candra vs. the young MAS pair....hehehe:p;):)..so far the forum has been going smoothly, i'm sure even with the tons of people following...that match will be the litmus test for this forum as well, as MAS fans will be pouring in from all corners of the site(as it often happens when MAS player(s) are playing)....kwun, i hope the server's ready..hehe;):):D

[Atlec]

Don't know why the commentator speaks the result ahead of the video showing.

[badmad]

Please keep updating points ! Thanks :rolleyes: :D

problem is that WS itself is so slow that we can't update faster... :D ...

an easy set for zn...

[McAnus]

Please update from beginning of 2 set ...important who gets off to a good start

[chikkubhai]

When are the mens singles mae... :-) Oops that was my hundredth BC message... yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy...

[BaddestHawaii]

ZN is in good mood today......as long as she can sustain her energy...she should wrap it up in 2 game

[abedeng]

Great to see Flandy's performance, another Indonesian golden age doubles player. At 32, he is still very committed to cover the full court. That's the main difference between the 2 pairs. Both girls play just as well as each other, but I suppose the older girl is more composed in the last few points.

Nova's game is still riddled with errors, I wonder why, he should be matured already at 29. No wonder they lost to KKK/WPT in the World Championships. Does no justice to Lilyana Natsir at all. Maybe should consider swapping partners?

[*izzyC*]

The live feed is lagging pretty badly on my side. Before I could figure out what's going on, the 1st match is already over. :crying: :crying:

[McAnus]

Baddets are you watching the match?

[Jessica]

XXF is leading 4-3 in the second set

[ctjcad]

Is it the WS next???Waiting for the md match...
yah, i'm waiting for that one as well....well, actually was expecting yesterday's match against Fu/Cai...but oh well, as it turned out, it was a doozer(as Tony/Candra won easily), so didn't really miss it...I hope the MD Final will be much more competitive and entertaining:p;)

[z3048018]

5-3 in favour of XXF

[McAnus]

izzy is thre a live web stream of this match...if you what is the link? thanks

[BooYa]

Yes CCTV5 is broadcasting the games live now ...
hurray!!!:D

[z3048018]

ZN takes the lead at 6-5

[Atlec]

2nd set
xxf 5-7 z.ning

[abedeng]

Now Xie is fighting better, 6-7 2nd set.

[badmad]

amazing point for XXF... 5-3 for xxf

[Jessica]

The comentator mention again LD and taufik....Look like they are really hot...Ha...Ha...

[badmad]

Now Xie is fighting better, 6-7 2nd set.

yeah, in this set, she looks more spirited...

[A fan]

i see, i see..Thanks for clarifying that up.;).
Yah, i remember Flandy paired with another gal recently in a tournament, but forgot which one...On that note, it's quite a surprise that this newly formed tandem went this far..IMO, it will be better because Vita used to play XD before with Nova, i believe, thus she has some experience..And of course, Flandy has been a MD specialist..But if this tandem is a "go", then the one that is left out is Lita..:rolleyes: Although she is probably more of a WD specialists...But who knows, maybe she can be paired up with Anggun later on, once he comes back from his recuperation period..:rolleyes: :)

Flandy actually was a XD player before he was paired with Eng Hian as a MD palyer. Unfortunately at that time his performance as a XD player was overshadowed by Tri Kusharyanto/Minarti Timur pair. He had 2 -3 different partner sas a XD palyer before they moved him to MD with Eng Hian. So he is now back in his specialty which is XD.

[Atlec]

2nd set
xxf 8-8 z.ning

[baihaki_as]

i hope zn win in this set

[BaddestHawaii]

I am watching the match McAnus...and long awaited MS is next....

[kwun]

the stadium is so quiet you can hear a pin drop. hopefully it will be different when the MS & MD match starts.

[Atlec]

2nd set
xxf 9-11 z.ning

[w3wmfhe]

please..don't go to rubber game

[Bao]

i hope zn win in this set
yes as soon as possible, its bored for waiting this all chinese final:mad:

[McAnus]

Score Anyone ????

[badmad]

the stadium is so quiet you can hear a pin drop. hopefully it will be different when the MS & MD match starts.

stomping sound of the players might replace clapping to the least extent... the court is seemingly wooden... :confused:

[z3048018]

izzy is thre a live web stream of this match...if you what is the link? thanks

here's the link.

http://www.download.com/TVU-Player/3...-10549204.html (http://www.download.com/TVU-Player/3000-2194_4-10549204.html)

[cooler]

ZN looks very energetic today, even at this 2nd game

[badmad]

Xxf:zn 11-12

[z3048018]

13 a piece after a good rally

[Budakkiwi]

XXF:ZN
15:13

current score...

[Atlec]

2nd set
xxf 15-13 z.ning

[nellute]

Oh. No.

Looks like need to play for the decider. Come on. Zhang Ning.

[McAnus]

Please keep updating fellas...I cannot watch the game yet

[Budakkiwi]

smash by XXF 16

[Jessica]

XXF is leading with 16-13...

[Atlec]

2nd set
xxf 17-14 z.ning

[DinkAlot]

Score Anyone ????

17-14, XXF is running away.

[BaddestHawaii]

bad bad bad....can see ZN getting tired after that long really.....!!

[kwun]

i think the real match started around 12/13 points. the pace and intensity have picked up from both players.

see you guys in set 3.. ;)

[z3048018]

14-17 to XXF...playing much better in the 2nd

[cooler]

uh oh, ZN lift is getting shorter, a turning point of the match?

[DinkAlot]

18-14, XXF to serve...

[Atlec]

2nd set
xxf 18-15 z.ning

[Budakkiwi]

XXF pulling away 14:18

[DinkAlot]

18-15, XXF winning, ZN to serve.

On another note, the new FEDEX outfits are very nice, very classy.

[Atlec]

2nd set
xxf 18-16 z.ning

[huynd]

ZN shows some sign of fatigue. If it comes to rubber set, it's difficult for her to win

[kwun]

maybe a tactic from XXF (and probably learned from LD). she was much more relaxed during the 1st game while ZN was doing a lot of work. we will see how ZN do in the 3rd set.

[DinkAlot]

18-16, ZN serving and making a slight surge.

[DinkAlot]

19-16, XXF serving...

[z3048018]

20-16 game point to XXF

[DinkAlot]

20-16, game point for XXF.

[chikkubhai]

uh oh 2 bad calls for zhang ning and xxf leading at 17:14

[Atlec]

2nd set
xxf 21-16 z.ning

[Budakkiwi]

superb net shot XXF 21:16 1st game

[z3048018]

here we go.....3rd set.
ZN does seem to be panting quite a bit, no?

[DinkAlot]

21-16, XXF wins the second game.

21-11, 16-21...

[Jessica]

Sigh...Go to rubber game again...Have to wait longer...Hope ZN can win...

[ctjcad]

Flandy actually was a XD player before he was paired with Eng Hian as a MD palyer. Unfortunately at that time his performance as a XD player was overshadowed by Tri Kusharyanto/Minarti Timur pair. He had 2 -3 different partner sas a XD palyer before they moved him to MD with Eng Hian. So he is now back in his specialty which is XD.
..yah, i can see that now(eventhough i didn't follow his career too closely)...I think all doubles player "should be able" to play either XD or it's specialty(WD or MD)...But it's quite rare for a doubles player to be "very consistent" in both, exceptions are KimDM and RaKM

[cooler]

here we go.....3rd set.
ZN does seem to be panting quite a bit, no?

yes, zn is making more error and less accurate shots after mid points of the 2nd set. As kwun said and what i saw a relaxed xxf on the 1st game, xxf tactci maybe is to wear zn out and finish zn off on the rubber. If ZN can compose and has enough energy left, zn still can win this

[chikkubhai]

Zhang ning could have won the second set or atleast would have been close.. she had two bad line calls