Folks, this JO looks like another disappointing showing from the MAS badminton team. Only one pair of MD made it to the finals. LCW lost big to TH, the match wasn't even close. If the same trend continues, Asian games doesn't look very good for the MAS team. MAS fans, what needs to be done to get a better tournament result?

Folks, this JO looks like another disappointing showing from the MAS badminton team. Only one pair of MD made it to the finals. LCW lost big to TH, the match wasn't even close. If the same trend continues, Asian games doesn't look very good for the MAS team. MAS fans, what needs to be done to get a better tournament result?

Improving skills....

Shouldn't we give LCW a break? Poor him.. Lost a match and receive all the critics from the media. A few weeks ago Yap Kim Hock said that LCW is under tremendous pressure currently and a bit down after the World Championship but the coaching committee will try to help him to ease himself a bit. Moreover, LCW said yesterday after he won against Boonsak that he still feels tired after playing against Andrew Smith and couldn't find his rhythm during the first game against Boonsak. So , i think he has overworked himself. He has improved a lot this year and we can't expect him to become invincible all the time. We should be happy that we have a player like him and i am afraid that if we keep pressuring him like this, we might kill his potential and his passion with our own 'mouths and words'.

Give him more time to grow up. He still has rooms to improve.

I think it is unneccessary to pressure our players to win a gold medal in Doha. Let them concentrate in their games and play their games without pressure. Maybe we should set up a training centre overseas so that our players can train without listening, reading the news and always being asked by the media when are they going to win. Look at Nicol David. She just enjoys her game without thinking much of winning and with that she can concentrate and give all her best during her match.

totally agree with u...media is always hope for too much..some times i think it might be a good idea that if LCW isnt in the rank no.1 so that he can freely play with his own pace...

i mean ya he should have be prepared to under come huge pressure and high expectation from the country but still he's a human.. too much of pressure do not make him any better though...at least he made through to SF...

and im proud with M'sian MD... they are giving us something joyful to watch in JO finals..regardless of the result...they are a new pair that have to be given attention from now onwards..

Folks, this JO looks like another disappointing showing from the MAS badminton team. Only one pair of MD made it to the finals. LCW lost big to TH, the match wasn't even close. If the same trend continues, Asian games doesn't look very good for the MAS team. MAS fans, what needs to be done to get a better tournament result? their speed.. compare lcw's n lin dan's.. who is faster?? dis goes w/out saying

You don't have to go all the way to the final to have performed well imo. And the fact that the MD pair have made it to the final should be enough to please the Malaysian people. You can't expect these players to win all the time or always reach the finals. LCW made it to the SF and I certainly don't see that as a "bad" result.

I agree with Malaysianfan, putting pressure on the team with a gold medal expectation (how I see it) is not the way to go. Just let them play their game and if they win a gold then that's something to celebrate, rather than to get all down if they don't.

M'sianfan.. i'm totally agree wif u.. now i finally understand y dey lose so easily.. all bcoz of pressure.. to pay some expectation on player is not a bad thing..but try not to be over.. dis will cause a lot of pressure to them.. n i do not agree wif wat da NCS[national sports council] of MAS.. dey should not said wat last chance la.. totally disappoint la.. wat r dey doin at madrid la.. there's owiz a phrase stated "u can bring da horse to water but u cannot force da horse to drink it" ya..although BAM had used more den half a million for da expences in tournaments.. but try to think.. other country's currency is higher.. n need training expences.. food.. wat else can do?? n there's owiz a win n loose in competition.. haih... hard to debate la.. have its positive n negative also..

Yes, I agree that media and fans are giving these players a lot of pressure. The whole country's eye is on their performance. But I think mental toughness is just as important as skills training. But Lin Dan is also under the same scrutiny. The Chinese fans and media are even more critical of their players. The media literally ripped Lin Dan apart last year in the WC 05' and Lin Dan made it to the finals. I say Lin Dan has tremendous mental toughness, he is so mentally tough that he became arrogant, and sometimes, having that arrogance will make a difference in a highly competitive world that we live in. Look at all the great sport champions, Tiger Woods, Pete Sampras, Shaq, Kobe, etc, they all have this arrogance in them. My point is, yes, these players are under tremendous pressure, but so are their opponents.

M'sianfan.. i'm totally agree wif u.. now i finally understand y dey lose so easily.. all bcoz of pressure.. to pay some expectation on player is not a bad thing..but try not to be over.. dis will cause a lot of pressure to them.. n i do not agree wif wat da NCS[national sports council] of MAS.. dey should not said wat last chance la.. totally disappoint la.. wat r dey doin at madrid la.. there's owiz a phrase stated "u can bring da horse to water but u cannot force da horse to drink it" ya..although BAM had used more den half a million for da expences in tournaments.. but try to think.. other country's currency is higher.. n need training expences.. food.. wat else can do?? n there's owiz a win n loose in competition.. haih... hard to debate la.. have its positive n negative also..

Yap, a difficult debate issue. But i find the comments from the ex-President of NSC interesting. He said that NSC shouldn't blame BAM alone for the defeat as it is NSC who plans and provides all the experts, training programms, facilities and grassroot programm.So it is unfair to blame BAM alone. According to him, blaming oneside after losing and 'sharing' glorious after winning isn't a good culture. He said every parts will try to get the compliments when the players win.

LCW said early this year before that he will try to emulate Nicol David and try to enjoy his game without thinking much. But i guess it is just too difficult for him. Both are under different situations.

Not only media expect him too much.. even fans like u and me do that. Hahahah

Yes, I agree that media and fans are giving these players a lot of pressure. The whole country's eye is on their performance. But I think mental toughness is just as important as skills training. But Lin Dan is also under the same scrutiny. The Chinese fans and media are even more critical of their players. The media literally ripped Lin Dan apart last year in the WC 05' and Lin Dan made it to the finals. I say Lin Dan has tremendous mental toughness, he is so mentally tough that he became arrogant, and sometimes, having that arrogance will make a difference in a highly competitive world that we live in. Look at all the great sport champions, Tiger Woods, Pete Sampras, Shaq, Kobe, etc, they all have this arrogance in them. My point is, yes, these players are under tremendous pressure, but so are their opponents.

Yap, i agree that the players need to know how to handle the pressure. LCW is not matured enough yet. Give him more time.

On the other side, Lin Dan still has some teammates who can share the burden. But LCW is alone now. I think that the intensity of pressure is different.I really respect Taufik for being able to stand up for Indonesia all by himself. But remember, Taufik is a very experienced player already.

LCW still needs to improve to become an all-rounded player. No doubt he has great skills, but he still can improve them esp his net play and his power of smashing.

Not only media expect him too much.. even fans like u and me do that. Hahahah

Hehe..:p You are right. I expect something from the players too but i won't give them harsh comments if i know that they work hard and improve. Just some 'lazy' players will receive my harsh comments.

Yap, i agree that the players need to know how to handle the pressure. LCW is not matured enough yet. Give him more time.

On the other side, Lin Dan still has some teammates who can share the burden. But LCW is alone now. I think that the intensity of pressure is different.I really respect Taufik for being able to stand up for Indonesia all by himself. But remember, Taufik is a very experienced player already.

LCW still needs to improve to become an all-rounded player. No doubt he has great skills, but he still can improve them esp his net play and his power of smashing.

Yes, agree with you that LCW is not a very matured player yet, he needs some more time to develop. Toufik belongs to an entire new class by himself, he can care less on what other people say about him, he plays when he feels like it, he will walk out of the court if he doesn't feel like playing. Toufik's arrogance is a notch higher than Lin Dan's, when Toufik is playing, he doesn't have too much emotion, its like his opponent is not even there. No matter if Toufik win or loose, he just calmly shakes his opponent's hand (except for the olympic win, in which he cried out of joy) and walks out of the court.

I agree with most of the responses.

What's needed is for the fans (esp in here!) to be more intelligent, more mature and more considerate. Just try to enjoy the skills displayed by the many wonderfully talented players of different nations. Perhaps, it would help if one refraings from asking questions like what happened to malaysian players, what should malaysia do, etc. each time LCW or our doubles don't make it into the finals. In a game like badminton and esp with the new scoring system, matches can swing either way quite easily. While we all do usually support our country's players, we should also accept it when they lose and just hope that they do better in the future. Leave the planning and coaching to the coaches! :)

im my opinion,the main problem for malaysian badminton n other sport is lack of good player.we can produce only LCW alone,but in fact there are no other single player as good as him.yes for sure,malaysia is smaller country than china n indonesia,but cant take this as an excuse.For me,if can produce 2 single player as good as LCW,so he can get little pressure.Malaysian fan give him a lot of responsibilty.this is an old problem.malaysia just can have 1 good player in one time.n for LCW,the only thing he can do is improve his mental strength.when mental is good,he can play as usual without complacent.come on BAM,pls do something.

im my opinion,the main problem for malaysian badminton n other sport is lack of good player.we can produce only LCW alone,but in fact there are no other single player as good as him.yes for sure,malaysia is smaller country than china n indonesia,but cant take this as an excuse.For me,if can produce 2 single player as good as LCW,so he can get little pressure.Malaysian fan give him a lot of responsibilty.this is an old problem.malaysia just can have 1 good player in one time.n for LCW,the only thing he can do is improve his mental strength.when mental is good,he can play as usual without complacent.come on BAM,pls do something.

Yap Kim Hock realizes this and will try to upgrade some junior players into the national team. He is actually a good head coach with ideas and good views for the future and it will be a pity if he needs to resign if we failed to contribute a gold in Doha later.

Right now the most promising results are in MD, where MAS have lots of potential world-beating pairs. All they need is mental strength and exposure.

MS is like u guys said, only 1 world-beating player per era, and this had been going on since Misbun Sidek's time, up to Wong Choon Han, and now LCW. Hafiz played quite well in Japan, but there is a gulf in ability between him and LCW.

This is where the BJSS is supposed to take up the slack and produce many young world class potentials. We will see.

i think the criticism of LCW is unfair in this instance. i think any of the top players will find it hard to beat taufik when he's serious, and he seems to be pretty serious this time around. also, with KKK/TBH in the finals, and GTC/AL losing to CY/FHF (who have been outstanding this year) is not disgrace. Hafiz lost to LD, whom nobody's been able to beat consistently this year. i'm only slightly dissapointed in Roslin, i expected him to do better against Boonsak. but on the whole, i can't say anyone had a poor tournament, on the men's side at least ...

After seeing all of your post,the conclusion is if we are not able to do like what the player do or achieve,we better don't critism them...LCW has done a lot for Mas and make Mas proud....I believe that he will definitely play well if he is given some time...Sometime pressure can make us growth but too much of pressure will make us gone crazy...

Lee Chong Wei has a very heavy burden to deliver for malaysia and there is no other player who can share his burden at the moment.

Its about time for the BAM to look at the potential players from the Rashid's group and starts to groom them for world class beater. We must always look forward. if the young one is not given a chance for exposure , the game will mature much later or never.

There are alot of good players at the BJSS too. Good Coach and high quality programme to nurture these youngster is important. It is important that greater attention should be given to these young player so that there is a good successor line will be created just like China who have Chen Jin and Chen Yu while in the women side they have Zhu Lin and Lu Lan and downline they have Wang Yihan and Wang Lin.

Its is not good for the country to be over dependant on one player. We only have good downline for doubles but for the singles we only have Lee Chong Wei in the mens while Wong Mew Choo in the womens.

Yup...We have more potential pairs in MD compared to the single event...Hope BAM can solve this problem so LCW can really enjoy playing badminton...

Yap, a difficult debate issue. But i find the comments from the ex-President of NSC interesting. He said that NSC shouldn't blame BAM alone for the defeat as it is NSC who plans and provides all the experts, training programms, facilities and grassroot programm.So it is unfair to blame BAM alone. According to him, blaming oneside after losing and 'sharing' glorious after winning isn't a good culture. He said every parts will try to get the compliments when the players win.
.Were the comments made when this ex-president was still the president?

Pretty good and realistic comments.

Maybe LCW is feeling the pressure of expectation. What the team needs is support. The current batch of singles players don't provide enough support.

for MS, Malaysia cannot just depends on LCW one person. My suggestion is first get rid of Misbun since players under him is a “sure” looser. When is BAM goona awake and make decision to fired Misbun?
Math equation:

Ha_i_ + Mis(b)un (S)idek = HaBiS (means “end/looser” in malay)

There's still hope on MD in the next few year because as we can see there are couple good young md team lined up as long as Malaysia can keep Rexy as MD coach.
KKK should partner with the next most potential younger md player instead of CCM so that Malaysia can have at least one strongest md team. TBH may the one?
Well….no offence to anyone.....just my little observation…

Yes, I agree that media and fans are giving these players a lot of pressure. The whole country's eye is on their performance. But I think mental toughness is just as important as skills training. But Lin Dan is also under the same scrutiny. The Chinese fans and media are even more critical of their players. The media literally ripped Lin Dan apart last year in the WC 05' and Lin Dan made it to the finals. I say Lin Dan has tremendous mental toughness, he is so mentally tough that he became arrogant, and sometimes, having that arrogance will make a difference in a highly competitive world that we live in. Look at all the great sport champions, Tiger Woods, Pete Sampras, Shaq, Kobe, etc, they all have this arrogance in them. My point is, yes, these players are under tremendous pressure, but so are their opponents.
LD's mental is tough. But even him breaks too! Look at his outing the last Olympic? Since he barely lose that yr, the chinese media r pretty confident that he could do well, but the fact is the pressure was to much for him to take.....
Anyways, i believe everybody goes through this learning stage, not even Taufik and LD escapes it. But both of them r much more luckier than LCW, he has to fight alone everytime, while LD and Taufik has teammates or experience seniors to count on when they r still improving in their skills and mental....

Folks, this JO looks like another disappointing showing from the MAS badminton team. Only one pair of MD made it to the finals. LCW lost big to TH, the match wasn't even close. If the same trend continues, Asian games doesn't look very good for the MAS team. MAS fans, what needs to be done to get a better tournament result?

what do you expect them to do? win every single tournament?

i think the performance of the players have always been the same, the problem is that the expection are unrealistically high.

LD's mental is tough. But even him breaks too! Look at his outing in the last Olympic? The pressure from the chinese simply gave him to much to take......
Anyways, i believe everybody goes through this learning stage, not even Taufik and LD escapes it. But both of them r much more luckier than LCW, he has to fight alone everytime, while LD and Taufik has teammates or experience seniors to count on when they r still improving in their skills and mental....

AIYAAAAAAA, wong choong han ah, faster chong chu jiang hu, if not chong wei will suffer more, kuan beng hong also need to improve alot

Folks, this JO looks like another disappointing showing from the MAS badminton team. Only one pair of MD made it to the finals. LCW lost big to TH, the match wasn't even close. If the same trend continues, Asian games doesn't look very good for the MAS team. MAS fans, what needs to be done to get a better tournament result?

what do you expect them to do? win every single tournament?

i think the performance of the players have always been the same, the problem is that the expection are unrealistically high.

Exactly. Malaysia should learn to enjoy badminton sports. With one guy in men's single semi, and 50% chance winning the men's double. What you expect more!!! and no other country even better than Malyasia this time in men's events.

By reading posts on this forum, I feel that a lot of Malyasia fans worry to much, and expect too much also. One tiny loss can make Malaysia fans sad,:cool: , while one tiny win can make Indonesia fans high :D

LD's mental is tough. But even him breaks too! Look at his outing the last Olympic? Since he barely lose that yr, the chinese media r pretty confident that he could do well, but the fact is the pressure was to much for him to take.....
Anyways, i believe everybody goes through this learning stage, not even Taufik and LD escapes it. But both of them r much more luckier than LCW, he has to fight alone everytime, while LD and Taufik has teammates or experience seniors to count on when they r still improving in their skills and mental....

taufik doesn't have any teammates to help him, i think the condition lcw and taufik is equal, the different is taufik more mature after the olympics win, lcw condition more likely same as taufik in 2000 so lcw has to get used to with the preasure, if he can't handle it he is not a champion.

taufik doesn't have any teammates to help him, i think the condition lcw and taufik is equal, the different is taufik more mature after the olympics win, lcw condition more likely same as taufik in 2000 so lcw has to get used to with the preasure, if he can't handle it he is not a champion.

A few years back when he is still improving be to more mature in his games, there is seniors like Hendrawan and Marleve to share the burden.

A few years back when he is still improving be to more mature in his games, there is seniors like Hendrawan and Marleve to share the burden.

TH began to win something after Hendrawan and Marleve retired. Actually although those players were quite famous, but they got their name before they won anything big. Hendrawan did not win anything big, even anything small outside south east Asia, until suddenly the wc, at that time, he's thought almost finished. Same things happened to Taufik too. Before the Olympics, Taufik didn't win anything in Europe, his best was just the runner up at all England. suddenly won Japan Open, OG, and WC. For Marleve, I still cannot remember anything for him, except his name.

So, keeping playing, Lee CW will win something big. At his age, both Taufik and Hendrawan were not as good as him yet. Lee CW has won a lot world wide, even the Denmark open last year. Keep in mind, that, neither Taufik, nor Hendrawan, has won any open tournament in Europe yet. So if Lee wins just 1 WC or OG, he will be a better player than them. :D

TH began to win something after Hendrawan and Marleve retired. Actually although those players were quite famous, but they got their name before they won anything big. Hendrawan did not win anything big, even anything small outside south east Asia, until suddenly the wc, at that time, he's thought almost finished. Same things happened to Taufik too. Before the Olympics, Taufik didn't win anything in Europe, his best was just the runner up at all England. suddenly won Japan Open, OG, and WC. For Marleve, I still cannot remember anything for him, except his name.

So, keeping playing, Lee CW will win something big. At his age, both Taufik and Hendrawan were not as good as him yet. Lee CW has won a lot world wide, even the Denmark open last year. Keep in mind, that, neither Taufik, nor Hendrawan, has won any open tournament in Europe yet. So if Lee wins just 1 WC or OG, he will be a better player than them. :D

Taufik won both the OG and WC outside asia and i think taufik and lcw is at the same age now.

but nevertheless i hope malaysia get the OG in beijing later, coz ina,korea,china, and denmark has got it, it's poor achievement for one of the best country in badminton

I agree that everyone in malaysia put high hopes for LCW, he might not be strong mentally, but i guess everyone notice he has improved alot this year, and i think that's more thn enough. He still have space for improvement. Why few blame Hafiz whn he lost but blame Chong Wei that badly whn he lost? Give them our players a break........
a rubber banned which is strecth too much will break oso mar.........
apa kata lagi our players? thy r human~

I agree that everyone in malaysia put high hopes for LCW, he might not be strong mentally, but i guess everyone notice he has improved alot this year, and i think that's more thn enough. He still have space for improvement. Why few blame Hafiz whn he lost but blame Chong Wei that badly whn he lost? Give them our players a break........
a rubber banned which is strecth too much will break oso mar.........
apa kata lagi our players? thy r human~

LCW's mental is no longer weak where he had improved alot this year. But i noticed he is still lack of some experience and might had overworked himself too much. Anyway, i believe he is smart and can surely recover to his topform quickly. ;)

Actually compare to few years back, our standard has improved quite a bit. During Rashid, Ong Ewe Hock, Yong Hock Kin to Choon Hann era, we hardly see any Malaysia in the Final and expectation was quite reasonable compare to now. Of course, LCW should not blame fan for over-burden him with high expectation as he ranks as wolrd #1 and 2 for quite some time without producing consistent results.
I think the problem is back to mental, even with the help of all these so call "High Performance" coaches like Li Mao and Rexy, what have the Malaysian players acheive besides runner-up?
In Men's singles, the really competitve one is Lee Chong Wei, Lee Chong Wei and Lee Chong Wei, no others. Give credit to Li Mao but what happen to the rest of the players like Kay Bin, Beng Hong?
In Men's Doubles, even though Rexy has brought up so many good pairs but none of them have yet to win and title except the Malaysia Open. Look at China, only have Fu/Cai but have achieved much more bagging All England and World Championship.
As for the Women's Singles, after seeing the exhibition games between Xie Xingfing vs Zhang Ning in Japan Open ... We can only pray Mew Choo have good draw on every tournament when China is participating.
Well, still have lots of room to improve in order to kick the Greatwall, ...

Were the comments made when this ex-president was still the president?

Pretty good and realistic comments.

Maybe LCW is feeling the pressure of expectation. What the team needs is support. The current batch of singles players don't provide enough support.

Nope, the comments were made by the ex-president recently after BAM, the coaches and the players were slammed by the NSC for the defeat in MAdrid. He was once the president of NSC, so he knows well how things are really going on.

I agreed that the expectations are high for malaysian players, it's because china is way too dominating n most of us hope that we can produce the same results as china does

LCW and the rest need to consistently work harder than then chinese. I heard LD continue to practice after the training is over. Just like Maradona. Find his own weakness, improve on it and capitalize on the strength.
rgds

If I remember correctly Hendrawan didn't really come to the fore until 1998. He was already about 25 yrs old then. That time his 1998 Thomas cup performance was brilliant and his S'pore Open 1998 performance was brilliant as well when he blew away Peter Gade. The he got silver in Olympics and winner of 2001 WC

So M'sia still got hope for their own players;)

relax.... i believe LCW hasn't show his true self yet... let him rest for now.... he is already one great player.. give him some more time.... :) he can definitely make it big...

LCW and the rest need to consistently work harder than then chinese. I heard LD continue to practice after the training is over. Just like Maradona. Find his own weakness, improve on it and capitalize on the strength.
rgds

I can't see how they can work harder than LD, knowing that he already spends most of his day training... Maybe the MAL players need to play http://dev.revoke.ca/flash/badminton/, instead of games like Street Fighter, or World of Warcraft during their spare time.:p and Imagine the cpu on the other side of the court is LD or someone from the Chinese team.:eek:

Well I think that Mas team is ok. Malaysia is a small country, and many parents don't wants their kids to be a badminton pro, while other kids rather enjoy the good life than suffer the heavy training to compete at the world class.

The actual problem is the media, they hype the player too much, creating false impression that the Mas player can win every time. This is too much, being in the QF, SF or Finals is already an acheivement ...

I can't see how they can work harder than LD, knowing that he already spends most of his day training... Maybe the MAL players need to play http://dev.revoke.ca/flash/badminton/, instead of games like Street Fighter, or World of Warcraft during their spare time.:p and Imagine the cpu on the other side of the court is LD or someone from the Chinese team.:eek:
Wat makes u think that Malaysian players doesnt work hard? From wat i know the most hard workin player is LCW where everyday he has to wash 7 TOTALLY soaking wet shirts after training. Can u even think of another player with such size and built which had become 1 of the top players in the world? One can imagine the double amount effort and traning hv been worked on!

Wat makes u think that Malaysian players doesnt work hard? From wat i know the most hard workin player is LCW where everyday he has to wash 7 TOTALLY soaking wet shirts after training.

What i heard is that everyday he needs to change more than 10 soaked wet shirts after training. The reporters who have visited him during the training and Li Mao revealed that. WHen the players don't win, it doesnt mean that they don't train hard. For example LWW. LCW said in an interview that he is impressed with LWW to be able to make a comeback in such a short time and he said that LWW trained hard everyday to get his form back while CTF was joining some tournaments with other partners.

Never mind how many people train 10 hours a day. At the end of the day, there can only be one winner. That does not neccessarily mean that the winner trains harder than all the rest.

I think LCW does win his share of tournaments. He is a top-class player. Problem is, there are a few more top-class players like him. And to be top of that pile is very difficult and may need some kind of luck as well.

Actually Malaysia have quite a number of talented players.Some practical parents prefer the academic route for their children.In actual fact if a child is good in his studies and badminton.The parents will automatically encourage their children to give up badminton.Gone are the days where parents are more lenient and allow their children to carve their own destiny.A good example willl be Tan Aik Huang and Punch Gunalan.They are both good at their studies and also left their marks in the badminton world.Malaysia need:Thinking players who are professionally committed to their game.Players who are able to analyse their weaknesses and overcome them with determination.Players who are willing to go the extra mile to perfect their craft.Players who are discipline enough to eat,drink,rest and sleep well.Players who have the right attitude towards their own teamates and opponents.

I agree with a lot of the posts about not criticising LCW and other succesful MAS players. I don't think the answer is to be critical of those players but rather to ask why there aren't more MAS players of LCW's calibre. Personally I think if you provide a supportive environment and provide the training facilities then success is more likely to follow than if you set medal targets.

I don't think there were any medal targets for the English pairs in the world cup but yet 3 pairs got to the finals. I think being able to relax and just play their game helped them immensely.

Malaysian players just have to be more like Nicol David...alone but always consistent.....and very very good in her studies too

Malaysian players just have to be more like Nicol David...alone but always consistent.....and very very good in her studies too

Hmmm, I wonder, do China have a squash team ? :confused: