Like all of you out there, I got hugely dissapointed since I was anticipating a classic down-the-wire ending in yesterday's MS Finals, ala ZN vs XXF.

In the first 2 sets, TH played with a lot of finesse and skill. However, except in maybe one or two instances, the power in his smash was clearly absent. Perhaps this is an indication of LACK OF TRAINING AND FITNESS.

On the contrary, LD showed us that he could adjust his game, which allowed him to claim the 2nd set. In the 3rd, TH's spirit was broken since he failed to adjust and probably ran out of gas.

Any comments?

TauQUIT didn't run out of gas.
His power was there all the way through the match.
Lin Dan just upped the pace in the last set, just like he has shown to be able to do time and time again against Gade and LCW when it gets to the rubber.
What TauQUIT did was act like a baby when he kept on getting caught out by the flick serve.
When he got flicked again at 13-3 he just refused to play from there.

In the first 2 sets, TH played with a lot of finesse and skill. However, except in maybe one or two instances, the power in his smash was clearly absent. Perhaps this is an indication of LACK OF TRAINING AND FITNESS.

On the contrary, LD showed us that he could adjust his game, which allowed him to claim the 2nd set. In the 3rd, TH's spirit was broken since he failed to adjust and probably ran out of gas.

Any comments?
Hi smashmouth,

I agree with you that TH is lacking fitness.

TH is a player with great finesse and skill. And when he became tired in the 3rd set, everything crashed.

Credit goes to LD for being able to take the 2nd set... and when he did, he knew the match is all his.

Cheers... chris@ccc

LinDan feel kinda bored playing the 3rd set. He just can't believe that he can win it so easily. Its kinda Kill Joy for him to wrap the match that way. Anyhow its still a win for him.

Yeah, Taufik's smashes were lacking the usual power and very often he would choose to play a clear or drop in place of a smash which I thought was odd for him. But I can't figure out whether that was because of Lin Dan controlling the rally or Taufik not in form. I still think Taufik played well, and Lin Dan deserved his win, so well done to both of them!

Watching LD vs. TH, it seems LD can still up the pace through the 3rd set when necessary, while TH can't. This is different from endurance (keeping the same pace of movement). I wonder if there is a term for that 'sustained ability for sudden accleration of movement', and do you train differently for it?

Yeah, Taufik's smashes were lacking the usual power and very often he would choose to play a clear or drop in place of a smash which I thought was odd for him. But I can't figure out whether that was because of Lin Dan controlling the rally or Taufik not in form. I still think Taufik played well, and Lin Dan deserved his win, so well done to both of them!
Hi phaarix,

Don't forget that in the Japan Open 2006, TH beat BCL and LCW to get to the Final.

He is still very skillful and he is still one of the best players in 2006.

Only when he gets fitter, then he will be able to claim to be the World Best Player.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Hi phaarix,

Don't forget that in the Japan Open 2006, TH beat BCL and LCW to get to the Final.

He is still very skillful and he is still one of the best players in 2006.

Only when he gets fitter, then he will be able to claim to be the World Best Player.

Cheers... chris@ccc

I agree. After TH's loss to LD, it's easy to forget that TH was able to beat quite a number of good players to get to the finals.

hehe, me again:D

i'm tired of hearing TH lost attributed to lack of stamina and lack training, bologna.

- if taufik lacks stamina in the third set, why didnt he use his superb talent and skills to finish LD off on the second set. Why did this 'talented' player want to play the rubber if he know he lacks fitness? Why? coz TH lack the skill, power, consistency, to beat LD. LD let TH win the 1st set as LD was toying with TH, checking what TH has since their last meet and what his tactic this time. That's why LD didnt panic at all, LD was in ful control since the umpire say 'play'.

- if taufik lacks stamina and training, how come a real superb player, tony gunawan, plays SOOOO WELL after coming to USA? Tony has in fact gained weight while in the US, stamina not as good as when he was in the INA team. He has no good players to spar with, busy training other people than training himself and yet, Tony win 05 WC, copenhagen Open, plus many others.

So taufik poor performance do to poor stamina and training is BS.

- if taufik lacks stamina in the third set, why didnt he use his superb talent and skills to finish LD off on the second set. Why did this 'talented' player want to play the rubber if he know he lacks fitness?


Hi cooler,

That is exactly what I have said.

TH tried his hardest to beat LD in the 2nd set. But he failed.

LD won the 2nd set with better play and skill.

So, credit should go to LD for preventing losing his 2nd set, thus the match.

We should all congratulate LD instead of feeling sorry for TH.

LD was just a better player in that match.

Cheers... chris@ccc

hehe, me again:D

i'm tired of hearing TH lost attributed to lack of stamina and lack training, bologna.

- if taufik lacks stamina in the third set, why didnt he use his superb talent and skills to finish LD off on the second set. Why did this 'talented' player want to play the rubber if he know he lacks fitness? Why? coz TH lack the skill, power, consistency, to beat LD. LD let TH win the 1st set as LD was toying with TH, checking what TH has since their last meet and what his tactic this time. That's why LD didnt panic at all, LD was in ful control since the umpire say 'play'.

- if taufik lacks stamina and training, how come a real superb player, tony gunawan, plays SOOOO WELL after coming to USA? Tony has in fact gained weight while in the US, stamina not as good as when he was in the INA team. He has no good players to spar with, busy training other people than training himself and yet, Tony win 05 WC, copenhagen Open, plus many others.
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So taufik poor performance due to insufficient stamina and training is BS

TauQUIT didn't run out of gas.
His power was there all the way through the match.
Lin Dan just upped the pace in the last set, just like he has shown to be able to do time and time again against Gade and LCW when it gets to the rubber.
What TauQUIT did was act like a baby when he kept on getting caught out by the flick serve.
When he got flicked again at 13-3 he just refused to play from there.
..was because he got caught by the flick serve in the 2nd set..?!?!..:rolleyes: :p
hmm, his power was there "all the way through the match"??...i(and am sure anyone else who watched it) didn't see any of it in the 3rd set??..not only his power, his whole game disappeared...:rolleyes: :p ;)..
And if LD can upped his game in the last set, then why can't Taufik??..

I finally watched the video. I noticed TH gave up in the 3rd set due to frustration. In the second set TH used his lethal weapons of tight net shots and forehand power smashing many times, LD was able to retrieve them almost every time and won the game. LD was even able to kill TH's net plays. TH had no anwsers to LD's power smashes throughout the 1st and 2nd games. As the match went on, LD's confident at the net grew such that he made 3 of his first 4 points in the 3rd game by net kills. At this point TH's confidence was deverstated, because the only advantage he had over LD had been seized by his opponent. He could not do anything but to give up.

I finally watched the video. I noticed TH gave up in the 3rd set due to frustration. In the second set TH used his lethal weapons of tight net shots and forehand power smashing many times, LD was able to retrieve them almost every time and won the game. LD was even able to kill TH's net plays. TH had no anwsers to LD's power smashes throughout the 1st and 2nd games. As the match went on, LD's confident at the net grew such that he made 3 of his first 4 points in the 3rd game by net kills. At this point TH's confidence was deverstated, because the only advantage he had over LD had been seized by his opponent. He could not do anything but to give up.
Taufik just doesn't want to "fight" anymore, if his opponent has finally figure out his game...No resiliency whatsoever from him, even after trailing only 4-5 points.?!?!..:p
And if so, what could be the "underlying" factor??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

hehe, me again:D

i'm tired of hearing TH lost attributed to lack of stamina and lack training, bologna.

- if taufik lacks stamina in the third set, why didnt he use his superb talent and skills to finish LD off on the second set. Why did this 'talented' player want to play the rubber if he know he lacks fitness? Why? coz TH lack the skill, power, consistency, to beat LD. LD let TH win the 1st set as LD was toying with TH, checking what TH has since their last meet and what his tactic this time. That's why LD didnt panic at all, LD was in ful control since the umpire say 'play'.

- if taufik lacks stamina and training, how come a real superb player, tony gunawan, plays SOOOO WELL after coming to USA? Tony has in fact gained weight while in the US, stamina not as good as when he was in the INA team. He has no good players to spar with, busy training other people than training himself and yet, Tony win 05 WC, copenhagen Open, plus many others.

So taufik poor performance do to poor stamina and training is BS.
it's me, back, again also..:p :D
hehe, so if you don't think "poor stamina and lack of training" from Taufik weren't factors, why wasn't he able to play and "fight" thru the 3rd set??..If he indeed has enough stamina, was fit, had enough training etc., shouldn't he prove it on the court/in that 3rd set??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)
BTW, abt Tony, i believe he's been playing/competing in Denmark the last few weeks, hasn't he??..So, at least, he's been able to keep in "shape"..;)

..was because he got caught by the flick serve in the 2nd set..?!?!..:rolleyes: :p
Not the 2nd set, I'm talking about the last set at 13-3 is when TauQUIT stopped playing.

hmm, it was??...i(and am sure anyone else who watched it) didn't see any of it in the 3rd set??..not only his power, his whole game disappeared...:rolleyes: :p ;)..

Just because you can't get the opportunity to smash doesn't mean that you have lost any power on your smashes.
Tell me at which point in the match did you think that TauQUIT lost power on his smashes?

And if LD can upped his game in the last set, then why can't Taufik??..

TauQUIT has never really been an explosive player, his game is more about deception and tight net play, if his net play isn't there then he doesn't get to smash, he simply weren't given the opportunity when Lin Dan upped the pace in the last set and started catching him on the flick.

Not the 2nd set, I'm talking about the last set at 13-3 is when TauQUIT stopped playing.
hmm, i see i see...but do you really think Taufik quit playing by then or much earlier in the set??..I, personally, felt/noticed he completely stopped competing early on in the 3rd set..:rolleyes: ;)
Just because you can't get the opportunity to smash doesn't mean that you have lost any power on your smashes.
Tell me at which point in the match did you think that TauQUIT lost power on his smashes?
hmm, i don't recall saying "Taufik lost power on his smashes"..I only said "not only his power, his whole game disappeared"; never mentioned abt his "smashes"..;)You also never mentioned any "smashes" either, but "power" yes.;)..BTW, did you see any of Taufik's "power" left in the 3rd set??.I didn't; and if there was/were, it must've been almost undetectable, wouldn't you agree??...;)
TauQUIT has never really been an explosive player, his game is more about deception and tight net play, if his net play isn't there then he doesn't get to smash, he simply weren't given the opportunity when Lin Dan upped the pace in the last set and started catching him on the flick.
hmm, so does this mean Taufik never had to face any flick serve before?? And if he has, wouldn't he be able to adjust and prepare himself for that??..If i'm not mistaken, i remember he was given 2 or 3 or more flick serve by LinDan..:rolleyes: ;)

hmm, i see i see...but do you really think Taufik quit playing by then or much earlier in the set??..I, personally, felt/noticed he completely stopped competing early on in the 3rd set..:rolleyes: ;)
I'll leave that to personal opinion, but personally I feel that he was outplayed throughout much of the last set, and stopped playing at 13-3 right after he got flicked.

hmm, i don't recall saying "Taufik lost power on his smashes"..I only said "not only his power, his whole game disappeared"; never mentioned abt his "smashes"..;)You also never mentioned any "smashes" either, but "power" yes.;)..BTW, did you see any of Taufik's "power" left in the 3rd set??.I didn't; and if there was/were, it must've been almost undetectable, wouldn't you agree??...;)

No I would not agree, the smash at 11-2 seemed like a big ass smash to me, right at the back of the court without any jump, powered cross court pass Lin Dans defences.
Unfortunitely for TauQUIT he did't get much of those opportunities.

hmm, so does this mean Taufik never had to face any flick serve before?? And if he has, wouldn't he be able to adjust and prepare himself for that??..If i'm not mistaken, i remember he was given 2 or 3 or more flick serve by LinDan..:rolleyes: ;)

Let's be honest, he felt humiliated by a better player today and then stopped playing, I think that much is obvious to everyone.

Let's be honest, he felt humiliated by a better player today and then stopped playing, I think that much is obvious to everyone.
I concur, but this is not the first time he's done that...:p ;)
..if one has been following Taufik's career, he is not one who likes to rally and fight thru the whole match; esp. not known as a hard worker..I've mentioned this before that in comparison to his other compatriots(previous and current), he's biggest weakness arguably is his lack of fighting grit. He has all the rest in check: techniques and smarts. But when it comes down to grinding it out and getting into a rally, he will often succumb to it. That's why in a way, he prefers to play the simple game of net and smash, just to get it over with. And that points to 1 factor : his lackadaisical attitude towards training and being in shape(this is also well known). I mean what else is there to compensate that weakness other than by having his 2 strong attributes. But when it comes down to a "real" grind it out fight, against an opponent who is familiar wit his game, is much more "diligent" and can retrieve his shots, he would prefer to stray away from it and in extreme cases, just simply bailed out..(A good example of a player giving him fits was his match against a Shoji Sato in the recent Thomas Cup, eventhough at that time Taufik was just recovering from his back injury and Sato was probably pumped up to play him)..

Of course, his only exceptions were 2 yrs ago in the Olympics and last yr's WC..But even then, he was also a bit "lucked" out..;)

Taufik did not want Lin Dan to celebrate in his usual style. After such an anti-climatic finish, Lin Dan can't just bring himself to put his shirt over his head. It's similar when you get a walkover or you opponent resigned halfway.

As reported in Singapore's "Today" on Lin Dan's own analysis of his match against Taufik:

"Taufik was so speedy in the first game and I couldn't cope with his speed," said Lin. (Even Lin admitted he couldn't match TH's spped.)

"In the second game, I tried not to play at the net by sending long shots and tried to keep the lead. The first two games were very close." (Looks like Lin acknowledged TH's deadly net play and he had to change tactic by sending more baseline shots. But Lin himself played some very good net shots when necessary.)

The match changed after Lin won 10 points in a row to go 10-1 up in the final game, when the unseeded Taufik appeared to lose hope.

"He (TH) seemed to have given up when I took the lead in the final game'" said Lin.

As reported in Singapore's "Today" on Lin Dan's own analysis of his match against Taufik:

"Taufik was so speedy in the first game and I couldn't cope with his speed," said Lin. (Even Lin admitted he couldn't match TH's spped.)

"In the second game, I tried not to play at the net by sending long shots and tried to keep the lead. The first two games were very close." (Looks like Lin acknowledged TH's deadly net play and he had to change tactic by sending more baseline shots. But Lin himself played some very good net shots when necessary.)

The match changed after Lin won 10 points in a row to go 10-1 up in the final game, when the unseeded Taufik appeared to lose hope.

"He (TH) seemed to have given up when I took the lead in the final game'" said Lin.
thx Loh, for sharing the infos...Yah, those are quite evident..And as far as LinDan's strategy in the 2nd set(to send deeper clears and lobs), i also suggested a similar idea last night during the game. Now the CHN players will probably employ this strategy whenever they play against Taufik, in hope he will tire out..And of course, it proved to be the right approach..I would imagine ChenHong probably employed the same approach also in his WC match against Taufik..

BTW, mind doing one of your "blow-by-blow account" of the Final match between LinDan vs. Taufik, just like you did in the WC's match between ChenHong vs. Taufik??..hehe;):) :D :cool:

i don't agree with you. Taufik had no reasons to give up the 2nd game because it's 15-15, with the 1st game in his hand. But at this point, it's very obvious that he failed to return at least 3-4 very easy shots from LD. Something to do with skill? I don't think so. Why did he need to give up at a 15-15? Something to do with skills? I don't think so. Taufik made a lot of unforced errors after 15-15

for the 3rd set, it's very obvious from the first point, Taufik's stamina and concentration dropped tremendously. I don't agree with all these people saying that LD's skill outclassed Taufik in the 3rd set, because more than 2/3 of LD's first 10 points came from Taufik's unforced errors. Taufik's stamina already didn't allow him to fight from the 1st point in 3rd with LD, instead of the 10th-point as said by you.

i don't agree with you. Taufik had no reasons to give up the 2nd game because it's 15-15, with the 1st game in his hand. But at this point, it's very obvious that he failed to return at least 3-4 very easy shots from LD. Something to do with skill? I don't think so. Why did he need to give up at a 15-15?

for the 3rd set, it's very obvious from the first point, Taufik's stamina and concentration dropped tremendously. I don't agree with all these people saying that LD's skill outclassed Taufik in the 3rd set, because more than half of LD's first 10 points came from Taufik's unforced errors. Taufik's stamina already didn't allow him to fight from the 1st point in 3rd with LD, instead of the 10th-point as said by you.

Agree with you. I think Taufik started to lose his concentration during the last few points in the 2nd game.Meanwhile, Lin Dan can sustain till the deciding game and Taufik made some unforced errors too.Taufik might have better skills, but skills aren't everything on the court. So Lin Dan's overall ability was better during the match.

TauQUIT didn't run out of gas.


That must be a good name for TH in HKO and JO, and hope not in CO and next:)

more than half of LD's first 10 points came from Taufik's unforced errors. Taufik's stamina already didn't allow him to fight from the 1st point in 3rd with LD,

I was only able to catch the finals so I'm basing my opinion on that game alone.

Well, to me TH's 'explosive' game wasn't there as much as it was before. In the first two sets, almost all of his points came on account of finesse and deception. There were only a few instances (maybe 2 times) where he was able to execute smash winners.

In WC 2005, he had both his finesse and power games at his disposal. I think that was the big difference.

Well, to me TH's 'explosive' game wasn't there as much as it was before. In the first two sets, almost all of his points came on account of finesse and deception. There were only a few instances (maybe 2 times) where he was able to execute smash winners.


Yea, I noticed that also. If i am not mistaken, Taufik didn't play a deadly jumping smash in the 1st set. And he did it 2-3 times in the 2nd game. :confused: :confused: Maybe he wasn't given the chances or wat

I was only able to catch the finals so I'm basing my opinion on that game alone.

Well, to me TH's 'explosive' game wasn't there as much as it was before. In the first two sets, almost all of his points came on account of finesse and deception. There were only a few instances (maybe 2 times) where he was able to execute smash winners.

In WC 2005, he had both his finesse and power games at his disposal. I think that was the big difference.
out of curosity, is it not taufik's trademark is that he's a slow starter?

Agree with you. I think Taufik started to lose his concentration during the last few points in the 2nd game.Meanwhile, Lin Dan can sustain till the deciding game and Taufik made some unforced errors too.Taufik might have better skills, but skills aren't everything on the court. So Lin Dan's overall ability was better during the match.

Yea, at the present moment, Lin Dan has the better overall ability..:cool:

As reported in Singapore's "Today" on Lin Dan's own analysis of his match against Taufik:

"Taufik was so speedy in the first game and I couldn't cope with his speed," said Lin. (Even Lin admitted he couldn't match TH's spped.)

"In the second game, I tried not to play at the net by sending long shots and tried to keep the lead. The first two games were very close." (Looks like Lin acknowledged TH's deadly net play and he had to change tactic by sending more baseline shots. But Lin himself played some very good net shots when necessary.)

The match changed after Lin won 10 points in a row to go 10-1 up in the final game, when the unseeded Taufik appeared to lose hope.

"He (TH) seemed to have given up when I took the lead in the final game'" said Lin.
loh, LD is being respectful to his victim. He didn't trash talk down his opponent. Fast? TH look fast because LD was playing 2/3 speed in the first game.

i don't agree with you. Taufik had no reasons to give up the 2nd game because it's 15-15, with the 1st game in his hand. But at this point, it's very obvious that he failed to return at least 3-4 very easy shots from LD. Something to do with skill? I don't think so. Why did he need to give up at a 15-15? Something to do with skills? I don't think so. Taufik made a lot of unforced errors after 15-15

for the 3rd set, it's very obvious from the first point, Taufik's stamina and concentration dropped tremendously. I don't agree with all these people saying that LD's skill outclassed Taufik in the 3rd set, because more than 2/3 of LD's first 10 points came from Taufik's unforced errors. Taufik's stamina already didn't allow him to fight from the 1st point in 3rd with LD, instead of the 10th-point as said by you.
..hehe, with me??..:confused: :p ;)
Anyways, i concur with your post..;) :)

Don't know about TH being a slow starter, but he sure looked a step behind LD, who played like he can still do a triathlon after the match.

BTW, mind doing one of your "blow-by-blow account" of the Final match between LinDan vs. Taufik, just like you did in the WC's match between ChenHong vs. Taufik??..hehe;):) :D :cool:

After watching Taufik giving up without a fight in the 3rd game, I've lost all motivation. Maybe you should entertain us for once. :)

But if you think you can employ the "long shots" theory on Taufik everytime, I think you'll be terribly disappointed. Like LD, Taufik is no fool and will soon get wise to it.

Taufik will perfect his jump smash to nullify your new strategy and his game will then be raised a notch higher! ;)

loh, LD is being respectful to his victim. He didn't trash talk down his opponent.

LOL...That's because sneaky TauQUIT pulled a fast one on Lin Dan.
Look at the picture below and tell me who looks like the winner?
Lin Dan will never get the victory he wants, because TauQUIT will not let him.

http://sports.tom.com/uimg/2006/10/15/lvchangwei/100_50160.jpg

Lin Dan says: Please don't stand on the same stage with me. You make me look like a fool!

Lin Dan says: Please don't stand on the same stage with me. You make me look like a fool!
LOL!!!! THAT IS SO FUNNY!!!
It does look like that don't it? Poor Lin Dan

hehe, me again:D

i'm tired of hearing TH lost attributed to lack of stamina and lack training, bologna.

- if taufik lacks stamina in the third set, why didnt he use his superb talent and skills to finish LD off on the second set. Why did this 'talented' player want to play the rubber if he know he lacks fitness? Why? coz TH lack the skill, power, consistency, to beat LD. LD let TH win the 1st set as LD was toying with TH, checking what TH has since their last meet and what his tactic this time. That's why LD didnt panic at all, LD was in ful control since the umpire say 'play'.

- if taufik lacks stamina and training, how come a real superb player, tony gunawan, plays SOOOO WELL after coming to USA? Tony has in fact gained weight while in the US, stamina not as good as when he was in the INA team. He has no good players to spar with, busy training other people than training himself and yet, Tony win 05 WC, copenhagen Open, plus many others.

So taufik poor performance do to poor stamina and training is BS.
Taufik didn't perform badly though, he got to the finals, he beat LCW and BCL (he even played very well against LD before the third set), so I don't quite see your point?

I concur, but this is not the first time he's done that...:p ;)
..if one has been following Taufik's career, he is not one who likes to rally and fight thru the whole match; esp. not known as a hard worker..I've mentioned this before that in comparison to his other compatriots(previous and current), he's biggest weakness arguably is his lack of fighting grit. He has all the rest in check: techniques and smarts. But when it comes down to grinding it out and getting into a rally, he will often succumb to it. That's why in a way, he prefers to play the simple game of net and smash, just to get it over with. And that points to 1 factor : his lackadaisical attitude towards training and being in shape(this is also well known). I mean what else is there to compensate that weakness other than by having his 2 strong attributes. But when it comes down to a "real" grind it out fight, against an opponent who is familiar wit his game, is much more "diligent" and can retrieve his shots, he would prefer to stray away from it and in extreme cases, just simply bailed out..(A good example of a player giving him fits was his match against a Shoji Sato in the recent Thomas Cup, eventhough at that time Taufik was just recovering from his back injury and Sato was probably pumped up to play him)..

Of course, his only exceptions were 2 yrs ago in the Olympics and last yr's WC..But even then, he was also a bit "lucked" out..;)

I completely agree with your comment. You are the true TH fan.

LOL...That's because sneaky TauQUIT pulled a fast one on Lin Dan.
Look at the picture below and tell me who looks like the winner?
Lin Dan will never get the victory he wants, because TauQUIT will not let him.

http://sports.tom.com/uimg/2006/10/15/lvchangwei/100_50160.jpg

Oh for god's sake lay off him would you? You're starting to give me a headache what with your constant childish remarks and accusations. We get the point - you hate Taufik. That's fine, just don't go on and on... >_>.

LOL...That's because sneaky TauQUIT pulled a fast one on Lin Dan.
Look at the picture below and tell me who looks like the winner?
Lin Dan will never get the victory he wants, because TauQUIT will not let him.

http://sports.tom.com/uimg/2006/10/15/lvchangwei/100_50160.jpg
You are childish you dont have to go on creating hate thread everywhere, we heard you once and we get the point. Judging from your attitude i bet if you were in Taufik's shoe u would have probably quited as well in 3rd set. Please stop your hatred and get on with the proper topic.

http://sports.tom.com/uimg/2006/10/15/lvchangwei/100_50160.jpg

In the picture above, doesn't LD appear to be more "cut" and generally in better shape? It just shows how much hard work he has poured in to bring his game to the highest level.

Oh for god's sake lay off him would you?
Ok... if it means so much to you.
You're starting to give me a headache what with your constant childish remarks and accusations. We get the point - you hate Taufik. That's fine, just don't go on and on... >_>.
I wouldn't say I hate him, as that is a pretty strong word.
Childish? Maybe, but I did think that picture was pretty funny and summed up the match pretty well.
Were there any particular accusations that you thought were unfair?
Why not just report or edit the posts that you find offensive?

You are childish you dont have to go on creating hate thread everywhere, we heard you once and we get the point.
I didn't create any threads, I'll grant you that I posted negative things about him in a non joking manner.
Judging from your attitude i bet if you were in Taufik's shoe u would have probably quited as well in 3rd set. Please stop your hatred and get on with the proper topic.

Now that isn't particularly fair is it?
How do you reason from me accusing a player of bad conduct, even if they were not justified, to me having the same behaviour on court as the player being accused?
Anyway, no more Taufik comments from me, if that makes you feel better.

In the picture above, doesn't LD appear to be more "cut" and generally in better shape? It just shows how much hard work he has poured in to bring his game to the highest level.

Yeah, he does appear to have the body of a thai boxer.
He must train like crazy, which is probably why he plays like he's possessed.

Ok... if it means so much to you.

I wouldn't say I hate him, as that is a pretty strong word.
Childish? Maybe, but I did think that picture was pretty funny and summed up the match pretty well.
Were there any particular accusations that you thought were unfair?
Why not just report or edit the posts that you find offensive?

hahaha you are one Taufik hater, aren't you -wei-? move on guys, the match is over...

Ok... if it means so much to you.

I wouldn't say I hate him, as that is a pretty strong word.
Childish? Maybe, but I did think that picture was pretty funny and summed up the match pretty well.
Were there any particular accusations that you thought were unfair?
Why not just report or edit the posts that you find offensive?

It does mean that much to me :(.

It's not just that post, it's the fact that in the last say 10+ posts you have made I've seen nothing but Taufik bashing. This sort of thing isn't helping anyone, we don't need it, we heard it the first time. That's ok that you find the picture funny for whatever reason. Like I said, it's not just the post I quoted - It's just that we don't need these constant attacks on Taufik. If you have something to say, be civil about it.

hahaha you are one Taufik hater, aren't you -wei-? move on guys, the match is over...
LOL... yeah I have a picture of him on the wall that I throw darts on every morning.
I've got to say that he really did get my blood boiling though after the HKOpen, when I had my cup of tea ready and everything and watched like 4 rallies and now this.

As reported in Singapore's "Today" on Lin Dan's own analysis of his match against Taufik:
"Taufik was so speedy in the first game and I couldn't cope with his speed," said Lin. (Even Lin admitted he couldn't match TH's spped.)


what? from lin dan's mouth? i just couldn't believe it!:p

Anyway, no more Taufik comments from me, if that makes you feel better.
Thankyou :). In that case I take back what I said about being childish. Hope that's cool with you :).

what? from lin dan's mouth? i just couldn't believe it!:p
Lin Dan isn't so bad, he made good comments about Gade before their AE final and I think he was embarrased after the MO final.
Chinese team don't usually make good comments on foreign players, I think maybe because of Li Yongbo and his staff.
I think Lin Dan just always wants to win so badly.
Anyway I'm probably biased because I just like to watch matches and don't care very much about the gamesmanship on court.
With Lin Dan, you always know that you would get a good final.

what? from lin dan's mouth? i just couldn't believe it!:p

Yes as reported. Hopefully the translation from Mandarin (I assume) to English is accurate.

But I do agree with Lin as Taufik was able to control the first game very well. To be able to do this, you need to get to the shot early and take it higher. Taufik was able to play better net shots than Lin and he was able to do more damage in that game. Thence I agree that speed is of the essence to get there first and by extension TH must be faster.

But Lin turned the tide in the second game by pushing TH away from the net as often as possible and took control instead. Lin even tricked TH with flick serves a number of times. He was then able to employ his trademark smashes more readily and effectively.

Thankyou :). In that case I take back what I said about being childish. Hope that's cool with you :).

Thank you, gentlemen. :)

I think Lin Dan just always wants to win so badly.
Anyway I'm probably biased because I just like to watch matches and don't care very much about the gamesmanship on court.
With Lin Dan, you always know that you would get a good final.

So true, and not only that, he's great to watch with all his crazy jump smashes!

Lin Dan isn't so bad, he made good comments about Gade before their AE final

He had also made an unfriendly comment about Gade in front of a TV Cam after he won a match last year.

He had also made an unfriendly comment about Gade in front of a TV Cam after he won a match last year.
You can say what it is, as you got me curious now.
Still, I have little concern about how players act outside of court as long as they do what they are paid to do.
If Lin Dan truly doesn't like Gade then that's his personal problem but I can't really understand what bad things he can say about him.

You can say what it is, as you got me curious now.
Still, I have little concern about how players act outside of court as long as they do what they are paid to do.
If Lin Dan truly doesn't like Gade then that's his personal problem but I can't really understand what bad things he can say about him.

just forgot about which tournament. after lin took the match. a tv reporter did a short interview with lin and asked him a question through a translator. it was sort of ""from the game. it seems u have real confidence in winning the game. how did u do that?""
lin had answerd that in just a few words. he said "" play against him (gade). i always have that (confidence)!""

After watching Taufik giving up without a fight in the 3rd game, I've lost all motivation. Maybe you should entertain us for once. :)
hehe, i know, i understand...No, seriously, what you did with your "blow-by-blow" account after the Taufik vs. ChenHong match in the WC was really "mouth opening".;) I certainly wouldn't be able to have the patient to watch and then pause and typed all those.:) :cool:
Abt the idea of me entertaining you guys all, hmm, nah, i'll skip that...although you never know, maybe @ yr end, when i have much more idle time, i'll try to figure one...;):p :)
But if you think you can employ the "long shots" theory on Taufik everytime, I think you'll be terribly disappointed. Like LD, Taufik is no fool and will soon get wise to it.

Taufik will perfect his jump smash to nullify your new strategy and his game will then be raised a notch higher! ;)
hmm, (sorry if i misunderstood what you wrote)i never really mentioned/proposed doing that approach to Taufik *everytime*. But i do recall a post in here, written by another BC member which mentioned something abt Taufik's game-style/court-coverage(sorry, i forgot which post, maybe someone can retrieve that, maybe it was from the WC???)...Of course, like what you suggested, if "Taufik will perfect his jump smash to nullify the new strategy", it will def. require him to be in a much better physical shape/better stamina/better fitness. Doing that in only 1 1/2 or 2 sets, def. will not help..:rolleyes: :p ;)

Taufik attitude just to give LD the third set cause he can not do anything to get points or his tactic didnot work or tired or etc is not an excused.

If all the badminton players like TH, the tournamnets will fill with lots of controversial matches.

Example:

The WS and WD players from non Chinese players. If they all had TH attitude, Chinese girls will win the matches without even playing. Why bother to play all your best and all out if the result will 99% be the same that Chinese WS and WD players will beat all of their opponent easily except Korean pair. THe non Chinese WS and WD players should just give the matches to Chinese girls.

Thank God they still had fighting spirit and fight all they had even the result already predictable.

Hafiz will give up his fight against LD everytime they met cause he already lost 3 times in a row against LD this year only. (Total record is 7-0 for LD)

But thankfully only a few or maybe none player had TH attitude or it will be a very shameful performance if one opponent just give other opponent deliberate points like TH did in third set Japan Open final 2006 against LD.

I think you are pusing it too far man. Zhao Jianhua lost many matches partly due to stamina problems, then why didn't he use his superb (YES, that's truely superb!) skill and deception to finish his opponents 15:0, 15:0 to avoid drain of stamina?

Also the example of Tony is irrelavent. Tony loves badminton, he is willing to train whenever possible. Taufik is just "playing" badminton, so he often does many things instead of training. That's why ppl say TH lacks training, because he indeed lacks training.

hehe, me again:D

i'm tired of hearing TH lost attributed to lack of stamina and lack training, bologna.

- if taufik lacks stamina in the third set, why didnt he use his superb talent and skills to finish LD off on the second set. Why did this 'talented' player want to play the rubber if he know he lacks fitness? Why? coz TH lack the skill, power, consistency, to beat LD. LD let TH win the 1st set as LD was toying with TH, checking what TH has since their last meet and what his tactic this time. That's why LD didnt panic at all, LD was in ful control since the umpire say 'play'.

- if taufik lacks stamina and training, how come a real superb player, tony gunawan, plays SOOOO WELL after coming to USA? Tony has in fact gained weight while in the US, stamina not as good as when he was in the INA team. He has no good players to spar with, busy training other people than training himself and yet, Tony win 05 WC, copenhagen Open, plus many others.

So taufik poor performance do to poor stamina and training is BS.

Taufik attitude just to give LD the third set cause he can not do anything to get points or his tactic didnot work or tired or etc is not an excused.

If all the badminton players like TH, the tournamnets will fill with lots of controversial matches.

Example:

The WS and WD players from non Chinese players. If they all had TH attitude, Chinese girls will win the matches without even playing. Why bother to play all your best and all out if the result will 99% be the same that Chinese WS and WD players will beat all of their opponent easily except Korean pair. THe non Chinese WS and WD players should just give the matches to Chinese girls.

Thank God they still had fighting spirit and fight all they had even the result already predictable.

Hafiz will give up his fight against LD everytime they met cause he already lost 3 times in a row against LD this year only. (Total record is 7-0 for LD)

But thankfully only a few or maybe none player had TH attitude or it will be a very shameful performance if one opponent just give other opponent deliberate points like TH did in third set Japan Open final 2006 against LD.
nod.
if TH put put an effort throughout the match or in the HKO, i would praise that guy just as much as LD. Die hard TH fan supported him mostly because of 'his skills'. What good are that if TH doesn't use them to his best ability for every opponents he come against to? I keep hearing oh, taufik only uses them when he feels like it.:rolleyes: If TH doesnt like LD, he should put in even more effort to beat him instead of turning to another cheek.

These are in fact not quite relavent. For example, if I play LD, I will lose in minutes. However every point I manage to get, even if it's due to LD's errors, will make me happy: I get one point from LD!!! For those non-Chinese WD, losing 11:21 or 19:21 really has big difference to them, they will be happy if they can close the gap between them and the Chinese WD.

As for TH, deep in heart he doesn't think LD is at the same level as himself. There is no need for him to prove himself. (Contrary to LCW, who must be very happy after HKO final since it's the first time he almost beated LD outside Malaysia) I guess when he realized his current form is just not enough to beat LD, he was destroyed by despair and disgust of himself. And in that situation, losing 0:21 or 20:22 has no difference to him.

Taufik attitude just to give LD the third set cause he can not do anything to get points or his tactic didnot work or tired or etc is not an excused.

If all the badminton players like TH, the tournamnets will fill with lots of controversial matches.

Example:

The WS and WD players from non Chinese players. If they all had TH attitude, Chinese girls will win the matches without even playing. Why bother to play all your best and all out if the result will 99% be the same that Chinese WS and WD players will beat all of their opponent easily except Korean pair. THe non Chinese WS and WD players should just give the matches to Chinese girls.

Thank God they still had fighting spirit and fight all they had even the result already predictable.

Hafiz will give up his fight against LD everytime they met cause he already lost 3 times in a row against LD this year only. (Total record is 7-0 for LD)

But thankfully only a few or maybe none player had TH attitude or it will be a very shameful performance if one opponent just give other opponent deliberate points like TH did in third set Japan Open final 2006 against LD.

Anyway, TH is a controversial boy, a badminton genius half wasted.
nod.
if TH put put an effort throughout the match or in the HKO, i would praise that guy just as much as LD. Die hard TH fan supported him mostly because of 'his skills'. What good are that if TH doesn't use them to his best ability for every opponents he come against to? I keep hearing oh, taufik only uses them when he feels like it.:rolleyes: If TH doesnt like LD, he should put in even more effort to beat him instead of turning to another cheek.

I completely agree with your comment. You are the true TH fan.
..hehe, well, as i mentioned a while back, i'm not a "true TH fan"..I'm a fan of all "great"(and "not so great") players..And I just see and tell it like it is and how i see it(if that makes any sense to y'all)...:rolleyes:;) :D

He had also made an unfriendly comment about Gade in front of a TV Cam after he won a match last year.

Well, let me paint the better side of Taufik Hidayat for you.

I think it was at the Singapore Open 2005. PG was matched against TH, probably in the QF. That was the best match I've watched for a long time and both of them displayed their skills aplenty. It deserved to be the MS final. It was something akin to what we just watched on Sunday, the historic WS match between Zhang Ning and Xie Xingfang in the Japan Open, except that the men's skills were higher.

The audience enjoyed every minute of it and in the end, Taufik surprised us by putting his arms across the net to embrace PG, who was defeated in 3 gruelling games. Now that was sportsmanship at its highest. I couldn't recall any complaint from TH or PG. They played as professionals in that most memorable match. :)

Well, let me paint the better side of Taufik Hidayat for you.

I think it was at the Singapore Open 2005. PG was matched against TH, probably in the QF. That was the best match I've watched for a long time and both of them displayed their skills aplenty. It deserved to be the MS final. It was something akin to what we just watched on Sunday, the historic WS match between Zhang Ning and Xie Xingfang in the Japan Open, except that the men's skills were higher.

The audience enjoyed every minute of it and in the end, Taufik surprised us by putting his arms across the net to embrace PG, who was defeated in 3 gruelling games. Now that was sportsmanship at its highest. I couldn't recall any complaint from TH or PG. They played as professionals in that most memorable match. :)

Thanks Loh for the info.
But actually -wei- and I was talking about Lin Dan from some other matches in the past.:p TH has nothing to do with that incident.:p

To be honest, I don't think that that comment was that bad.
I'll give it to you that it's a bit cocky, but we always knew he wasn't exactly humble.
It's not like he is belittling Gade's game or anything, all he said was that he feels confident everytime he plays against Gade.
With a record like that against him, most people would probably say the same thing.
I mean how many ways could you answer the question "from the game. it seems u have real confidence in winning the game. how did u do that?".?
I was lucky?
But anyway, yes. Lin Dan is a cocky guy.

But anyway, yes. Lin Dan is a cocky guy.

That's why I said I could hardly believe Lin would make a positive comment on TH!
Good! He's improving!

Well, let me paint the better side of Taufik Hidayat for you.

I think it was at the Singapore Open 2005. PG was matched against TH, probably in the QF. That was the best match I've watched for a long time and both of them displayed their skills aplenty. It deserved to be the MS final. It was something akin to what we just watched on Sunday, the historic WS match between Zhang Ning and Xie Xingfang in the Japan Open, except that the men's skills were higher.

The audience enjoyed every minute of it and in the end, Taufik surprised us by putting his arms across the net to embrace PG, who was defeated in 3 gruelling games. Now that was sportsmanship at its highest. I couldn't recall any complaint from TH or PG. They played as professionals in that most memorable match. :)

Actually red was talking about Lin Dan's comment on Peter Gade last time. Lin Dan was the one making the statement, not Taufik.

It was so nice for you to have witnessed the match at Singapore Open 2005.

Well, it is not a surprise. I have seen Taufik embraced Wong Choon Hann a few times already even though Taufik lost the matches.

Actually red was talking about Lin Dan's comment on Peter Gade last time. Lin Dan was the one making the statement, not Taufik.


Yes Malaysianfan. Thanks for the clarification

Well, it is not a surprise. I have seen Taufik embraced Wong Choon Hann a few times already even though Taufik lost the matches.

TH did exactly the same thing to Wong Choon Hann last year in Hong Hong.

Look, taufik still has his good sides. Try not insulting him like he had crashed the world trade centre.

TH and LD are both very proud. That's why they can hardly be friendly to each other.

I'm a Taufik fan, love his skills and style of play. But based on the current performance of LD and TH, it's very difficult for TH to beat LD. In the JO final, LD shown an amazingly quick pace at the end of 2nd set, and when he did, TH had no answer. So sad, but TH has to improve his stamina more.

But Lin turned the tide in the second game by pushing TH away from the net as often as possible and took control instead. Lin even tricked TH with flick serves a number of times. He was then able to employ his trademark smashes more readily and effectively.

This isn't the first time Lin Dan has used this tactic. If u look back at the Macau Open 06 he used the same tactics against Lee Chong Wei to keep Lee off the net. It was a riskier proposition w/ LCW as he is much stronger than Taufik in rear court rally play. I'm sure team Li Yong Bo came up w/ this to takes away any advantage in net play from the opponent i.e. it will work on any strong net player.

It also introduces a new look to the rally and forces the opponent to adapt. Unfortunately for Taufik rally play is his B game for whatever reason (fitness, disposition. ...) and it plays much more to Lin Dan's advantage. LD is tactically flexible so can play this style. I think this is one of the overlooked strengths he brings to the court. Not only do u have to beat his strokes but you have to overcome his ability to adapt and throw different game plans at you.

Not sure if Taufik can catch him as LCW has pushed LD to get better in the last 6 months. I still think LCW has a better chance to catch Lin.

Derek

This isn't the first time Lin Dan has used this tactic. If u look back at the Macau Open 06 he used the same tactics against Lee Chong Wei to keep Lee off the net. It was a riskier proposition w/ LCW as he is much stronger than Taufik in rear court rally play. I'm sure team Li Yong Bo came up w/ this to takes away any advantage in net play from the opponent i.e. it will work on any strong net player.

It also introduces a new look to the rally and forces the opponent to adapt. Unfortunately for Taufik rally play is his B game for whatever reason (fitness, disposition. ...) and it plays much more to Lin Dan's advantage. LD is tactically flexible so can play this style. I think this is one of the overlooked strengths he brings to the court. Not only do u have to beat his strokes but you have to overcome his ability to adapt and throw different game plans at you.

Not sure if Taufik can catch him as LCW has pushed LD to get better in the last 6 months. I still think LCW has a better chance to catch Lin.

Derek
..nice take, hollywood_t, ;) i concur with the statement i've highlighted in bold...
As for Taufik being able to "overcome his(LD's) ability to adapt and throw different game plans at you.", IMO, sure, i think he(Taufik) can still do it, but *ONLY* if he "fixes" his weakness(which i'm sure you guys have read enough). ;):p
Imagine, worst come to worst, Taufik was 1 set away of *possibly* winning it(which shows that he's capable), yet he just couldn't hang & instead gave away the set..(ie. an example to compare is ChenHong in the recent WC against Taufik. If ChenHong, who is probably 2-3 older than Taufik gave him a fight and won, hey, why can't Taufik??)..:p :mad: :(