taufik, the last hope to break china wall :)

[taufik-ist]

GAMBATE TAUFIK

BEAT CJ AND CH !!!
TH VS LIN DAN PART II,
TH STRIKES BACK


:D :D ;) :p :D

[hara^kazuko]

Since it is CHINA open, I think Lin Dan will mostly win the game even though I hope Taufik will take it away from him

[Baderz_Jas]

I don't think TH can beat LD in his him crowd... ;) :p he's too strong...;) :D

[Simp84]

I don't think TH can beat LD in his him crowd... ;) :p he's too strong...;) :D
somewhat agree.. but lets wait and see!:D

[cesc fabrigas]

taufik taufik lets beat lindan in front of 13billion RP OF CHINA

[Han]

That's how the Malaysian players lost most of the time as they see too far ahead :D Taufik immediate attention should be on Chen Jin, still is in front of 13billion RP OF CHINA anyway.


taufik taufik lets beat lindan in front of 13billion RP OF CHINA

[Eurasian =--(O)]

Taufik lost to LD last time because he couldn't keep up his pace. That was a week ago. Taufik can't be in good enough shape now after only a week.

[bananaboy]

To make it tougher on Taufik, he has 3 world class players whom he has NOT beaten this year awaits him... if it works out like expectation... Chen Jin(never played before), Chen Hong (1:0 this year only), Lin Dan (3:0 this year only). Even if he can crack a little part of the great wall, the rest of the great wall may just fall on him and crush him.:p:D:cool:

[ctjcad]

To make it tougher on Taufik, he has 3 world class players whom he has NOT beaten this year awaits him... if it works out like expectation... Chen Jin(never played before), Chen Hong (1:0 this year only), Lin Dan (3:0 this year only). Even if he can crack a little part of the great wall, the rest of the great wall may just fall on him and crush him.:p:D:cool:
..hehehe, if Taufik can escape and win this CO, man, i'll say this will "arguably" be the *toughest* and *hardest* title he'll get in his career. Yup, much harder than the WC and OG.:eek: Why? because now, take into account the shape and form he's in, he's also playing in China, a place where thruout his badminton career, he's had the most difficult time of playing in and winning....we shall see...:rolleyes::p;):):D

[cooler]

..hehehe, if Taufik can escape and win this CO, man, i'll say this will "arguably" be the *toughest* and *hardest* title he'll get in his career. Yup, much harder than the WC and OG.:eek: Why? because now, take into account the shape and form he's in, he's also playing in China, a place where thruout his badminton career, he's had the most difficult time of playing in and winning....we shall see...:rolleyes::p;):):D
Yup, that's what i said before, the OC gold taufik was easy.
LD, C hong, Bao CL all got eliminated early due to stage fright.
taufik only hard work was to beat PG. Taufik beat shon of KOR to take gold, #30 now. LD was beaten by susilo, #49 now. Ie, the OC game bears no reference of technical standing or competency, only mental stableness for that day.

[bguy7890]

Can we determine now (rather than after the fact) whether TH wants to win this time? Otherwise, in case he loses, people will say he didn't really want to win the title, AGAIN!
Personally, I don't care who ends up winning. As a badminton fan, I just want to see players trying their best.....as simple as that!

[cooler]

Can we determine now (rather than after the fact) whether TH wants to win this time? Otherwise, in case he loses, people will say he didn't really want to win the title, AGAIN!
Personally, I don't care who ends up winning. As a badminton fan, I just want to see players trying their best.....as simple as that!
Nod.
Win or lose, true champions fight to the end.
hmm, there's a song for that;) :)

[rhinovinda]

Can we determine now (rather than after the fact) whether TH wants to win this time? Otherwise, in case he loses, people will say he didn't really want to win the title, AGAIN!
Personally, I don't care who ends up winning. As a badminton fan, I just want to see players trying their best.....as simple as that!


:D hahahaha....i like that excuse...!!!

[rhinovinda]

Yup, that's what i said before, the OC gold taufik was easy.
LD, C hong, Bao CL all got eliminated early due to stage fright.
taufik only hard work was to beat PG. Taufik beat shon of KOR to take gold, #30 now. LD was beaten by susilo, #49 now. Ie, the OC game bears no reference of technical standing or competency, only mental stableness for that day.

Hahhaha that's also an excuse for LD, CH and BCL. Lost is Lost.

[virusvoodoo]

Hahhaha that's also an excuse for LD, CH and BCL. Lost is Lost.

I actually kinda agree with Cooler on this. During the 2004 Athens Olympics, although Taufik played some excellent badminton, I agree that a little bit of luck was on his side as some of the tougher opponents such as LD, BCL, CH, LCW, LHI, & KJ were not in his path. Of course he probably would have beat them if he had met them but then again the latter rounds such as the semifinals & finals might have been different if he had met these players earlier since they have the ability to push Taufik to his limit. As we all know he is NOT known for his stamina/endurance so he might have ran out of gas in the semifinal/final stages in this hypothetical situation. But my hat goes off to him for maintaining his mental strength during that momentus occassion.

However, I must agree that his wins at the 2005 World Championships was due to his skills more than his luck since he did meet & beat many of these tough opponents on his way to victory.

[cooler]

Hahhaha that's also an excuse for LD, CH and BCL. Lost is Lost.yes, i agree, it's an excuse but it was still based on some technical merit where as taufik excuses are more subjective (feelings, don't like the linejudging, not enough training, unpredictability, not fit, etc)

Again, yes, a win is a win but in taufik's mind, an OC gold means superiority over other championships. So for him, doesnt matter he loses other events because he carries the OC gold and trumps all other wins in his mind.

[cooler]

I actually kinda agree with Cooler on this. During the 2004 Athens Olympics, although Taufik played some excellent badminton, I agree that a little bit of luck was on his side as some of the tougher opponents such as LD, BCL, CH, LCW, LHI, & KJ were not in his path. Of course he probably would have beat them if he had met them but then again the latter rounds such as the semifinals & finals might have been different if he had met these players earlier since they have the ability to push Taufik to his limit. As we all know he is NOT known for his stamina/endurance so he might have ran out of gas in the semifinal/final stages in this hypothetical situation. But my hat goes off to him for maintaining his mental strength during that momentus occassion.

However, I must agree that his wins at the 2005 World Championships was due to his skills more than his luck since he did meet & beat many of these tough opponents on his way to victory.

hehehe, let me go on........(i didnt before afraid that cooler might sound too anti taufik which i'm not, i'm for fair comparision, not emotional rantings :D)

what happen 05 WC was also in taufik favor. I wasn't there but i watched it by live streaming plus what my fren told me because he was there.

1. when i was watching it i know LD was in trouble. He can't do even basic things right, he was playing like a B+ to A- level player at certain moments. A give away of mental unstablilty from my interpretation. Take a look at the 05 WC MS final, u will agree.

2. my fren (onetoughbirdie) came back and told me and made the confirmation. LD looks cold and pale, like he saw a ghost. After the match, LD face look blank, like under a spell, a spell of zombie. Why? Taufik's presence, the current OC gold medalist, was enough to give any a psyche out fit. Plus the pressure of expecting to win after losing the OC, LD end up stuttering on court. TH didnt beat LD, LD beat LD that day.

yes, another excuse for LD :D

one advice on playing taufik: don't let his OC gold status psych u out. See him as another opponent.

[ctjcad]

However, I must agree that his wins at the 2005 World Championships was due to his skills more than his luck since he did meet & beat many of these tough opponents on his way to victory.
..hmm, IMO, i think Taufik has been given a "2nd chance" of redeeming himself in this CO for his performance in the recent WC...In that WC, i believe he would've gone thru 3 CHN MS player in order to win the title again. And since he failed to deliver, in a way, this will be his 2nd chance; cos in order to win the CO title, he will have to go thru most likely 3 CHN MS and in front of their home crowd(unlike in the WC where he played in a neutral ground)....let's see what can Taufik muster up this time??..:rolleyes: :p :D ;)

[ctjcad]

Can we determine now (rather than after the fact) whether TH wants to win this time? Otherwise, in case he loses, people will say he didn't really want to win the title, AGAIN!
Personally, I don't care who ends up winning. As a badminton fan, I just want to see players trying their best.....as simple as that!
..i concur, i concur!..;):):D:cool:
**BTW, in my other thread, (whether Taufik wants to win or not)i've already put my "money" on Taufik not winning this CO(as well as the just concluded JO)..hehe;):p :) :D

[cooler]

..hmm, IMO, i think Taufik has been given a "2nd chance" of redeeming himself in this CO for his performance in the recent WC...In that WC, i believe he would've gone thru 3 CHN MS player in order to win the title again. And since he failed to deliver, in a way, this will be his 2nd chance; cos in order to win the CO title, he will have to go thru most likely 3 CHN MS and in front of their home crowd(unlike in the WC where he played in a neutral ground)....let's see what can Taufik muster up this time??..:rolleyes: :p :D ;)
yes, i say TH effort in JO was solid from the start to the end of 2nd game of the MS final. Too bad his lack of effort on the last game of the match made all his JO effort less meaningful

[IndoBOLEHH]

Hello badminton lovers...here is the translation regarding the interview....
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BOLA: Taufik, apa arti prestasi di Jepang ini? (What does your achievement mean to you in Japan?)

Taufik: Maaf, saya gagal menang, tapi saya mensyukuri bisa ke final. Mungkin karena ini turnamen pertama setelah di Madrid. Saya tetap merasa lebih puas.

#(Sorry, I didn’t make it but I am still thankful to reach the final. Maybe because this is the first tournament after WC06)

Maksudnya, untuk menepis tanggapan berbagai kalangan yang menganggap Anda sedang menurun? (You mean you want to prove that your performance is not going down yet?)

Saya akui saya gagal di Madrid, tapi sebagai pemain kan ada kalanya di atas dan ada kalanya di bawah. Saya puas karena mampu bermain baik dengan mengalahkan beberapa pemain terbaik dunia di Tokyo.

#(I admit that I failed in Madrid, but as a player will experience up and down situation. I am happy I could play well and defeat some top players in Tokyo.)

Komentar tentang Lin Dan sendiri? (your comment on LD?)

Dia juara dunia dan pemain nomor satu dunia. Jadi enggak usah dikomentari lagi karena semua orang tahu dia pemain terbaik di dunia saat ini.

#(He is the world champ and world no.1 player. So no need to give comments coz everybody knows he is the best at the moment)

Banyak orang yang menunggu-nunggu pertandingan final ideal ini?(Lots of people are expecting for this ideal final match?)

Saya juga mengharapkan pertandingan tadi sebagai partai final ideal dan menghiburkan penonton. Saya kalah di Hong Kong karena tak meneruskan pertandingan. Jadi, tentu banyak yang menunggu-nunggu. Tapi, bagi saya setiap pertandingan sama saja sebenarnya. Saya kalah, tapi sempat merebut satu gim.

#(I was also expecting that match to be an ideal final match and entertain people. I was lost in HK due to not continuing the match. So people of course are expecting for this final match. Every match is no difference for me. I was lost but I took one game. )

Sayang Gagal (unfortunately I was lost)

Anda mengalahkan dua pemain terbaik di dunia dalam perjalanan ke final. Yang mana yang paling mengesankan?( You defeated two top players before the final match, Which one is most important one?)

Mengalahkan Bao Chunlai cukup penting karena itu di babak pertama. Kalau kalah ya angkat koper. Menentang Lee Chong Wei di semifinal, saya menang lebih mudah dari yang saya perkirakan. Tapi tadi sempat alot juga melawan Lin Dan. Saya berusaha menang karena ini akan menjadi gelar pertama di Tokyo. Sayang memang.

#Defeating BCL is quite important because it was in the round 1. Lost means I have to pack off. Playing LCW in SF, I won easier than I expected. It was a tight match against LD. I tried to win the match to make my first title in Tokyo. Unfortunately I was lost.



Apa target selanjutnya? (What’s your next target?)

Saya akan mencoba yang terbaik di Asian Games Doha nanti. Bahkan tahun ini AG Doha lebih berarti buat saya ketimbang Kejuaraan Dunia. AG hanya setiap empat tahun sekali dan saya ingin sekali merebut medali emas perseorangan AG setelah emas Olimpiade Ahena.
(I will try my best in Doha. AG is more important than WC this year for me since It is once in four years event. I want to win AG individual gold medal after OG gold medal)

Soal lawan-lawan di Doha? (How about your opponents in Doha?)

AG sebenarnya tak berbeda dengan turnamen lain, minus Peter Gade dan Kenneth Jonassen. Lawan tetap sama, Cina, Malaysia, dan Korsel. Mungkin bertemu yang itu-itu juga.
(As a matter of fact, AG is just the same as the other tournaments. But it is without PG & KJ. It will be the same countries with same faces.)

Untuk tahun depan? (for next year occasions?)

Sudah barang tentu saya harus lebih fokus lagi karena tahun depan mulai diperkenalkan Super Series. Jadi beberapa turnamen tersisa akan saya pergunakan betul-betul memperbaiki ranking.

#(definitely, I have to stay more focus because there will be super series next year. I will optimize the rest of the tournaments to upgrade my ranking)

Anda “tersiksa” dengan ranking saat ini (34 dunia) dan tidak diunggulkan di setiap turnamen yang diikuti? (Do you feel being’tortured’ having low ranking and unseeded in every tournament you play?)

Tidak juga karena prinsip saya menang, menang sekalian, kalah, kalah sekalian. Kalau mau juara ya mengalahkan semua lawan. Namun, untuk Super Series tahun depan saya harus mulai mempersiapkan diri dari sekarang karena gengsinya kan lain.

(Not at all, because my principle is win is win and lost is lost. If I want to be a champ I have to defeat all my opponents. Since the upcoming super series is more prestigious I have to prepare myself from now on )

Sumber:bolanews.com

[ctjcad]

Hello badminton lovers...here is the translation regarding the interview....
..thanks for sharing the report, IndoBOLEHH(rest of report snipped for brevity)...Hmm, don't know if mods might move the post above to this thread (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37097&page=9) or this one (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37078&page=50) instead(more appropriate)??...:confused:

[Baderz_Jas]

taufik taufik lets beat lindan in front of 13billion RP OF CHINA

I think he can beat CJ, CH and BCL if he wants to :o :p ;)
But as a member said earlier, TH can't keep up with LD's pace of game.... so if he lost last week, I think he will lose to LD again (if he gets into the final with LD :D ) just my opinion... :D :p ;)

[IIeSumirat]

Hello badminton lovers...here is the translation regarding the interview....
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Tidak juga karena prinsip saya menang, menang sekalian, kalah, kalah sekalian. Kalau mau juara ya mengalahkan semua lawan. Namun, untuk Super Series tahun depan saya harus mulai mempersiapkan diri dari sekarang karena gengsinya kan lain.

(Not at all, because my principle is win is win and lost is lost. If I want to be a champ I have to defeat all my opponents. Since the upcoming super series is more prestigious I have to prepare myself from now on )

Sumber:bolanews.com

In his answer of this last question, he hinted his "philosophy" of winning and losing, so I would translate it more accurately like this:
Not at all, because my principle is IF WIN, WIN BIG, IF LOST, SO BE IT LOST BIG...

This might explain his 3rd set surrender in JO: If I know for sure I ll lose, then just let it go.. why bother.

[chikkubhai]

I believe there are more number of ardent chinese fans like Kemana, my friend I knew who would rather cheer for TH than LD... ;-) So better watch out for the crowd IFFFFFFFFF TH meets LD...

[taufik-ist]

the rambo spirit must be tranformed into taufik :D

[tjl_vanguard]

tats taufik... tats the players's attitude tat we want.. u lose nvm try again until u succeed... go taufik u r the man...

[woodenRacket]

In his answer of this last question, he hinted his "philosophy" of winning and losing, so I would translate it more accurately like this:
Not at all, because my principle is IF WIN, WIN BIG, IF LOST, SO BE IT LOST BIG...

This might explain his 3rd set surrender in JO: If I know for sure I ll lose, then just let it go.. why bother.

That explians. That's Taufik! :cool:

[dannyang]

taufik taufik lets beat lindan in front of 13billion RP OF CHINA

13b? Only a few of them like badminton in China. And some of those wo like badminton watch badminton match.

[indra]

That explians. That's Taufik! :cool:

ALl Chinese players are worried with the Taufik return...

It is too hard for CJ and CH to defeat TH even in his homeground supported by 1 billion supporters....

[KillerT]

I think that Andrew Smith stands a reasonable chance of beating Chen Hong - he was in good form yesterday too fast and accurate for Eric Pang.

[bananaboy]

ALl Chinese players are worried with the Taufik return...

It is too hard for CJ and CH to defeat TH even in his homeground supported by 1 billion supporters....

LOL:D:D You come out and post this kind of stuff every time Taufik is in a tournament this year... then what happened??? Taufik lost, and you disappeared from this forum for a couple of days, then came back when things cooled down. Aren't you tired of repeating the process by now???:p:p

Winter is coming, and maybe you can now hide after Chen Jin wins today and be back when the Asian game starts.:D

[2cents]

Yeah, that explains why he boycotted the HK open.

My philosophy is that I will try my best all the time, against whoever he is. A match is a match which measures the true spectrum of two players, and explores the limits and beyond of personal potential. As a professional player, there is one more responsibility to the spectators to reveal the real capability of yourself, nothing to hide.

So I think what Taufik did is nothing heroic, but complete cowardly, and plus cheating. He just feared to let people know how inferior he is than others. In a word, he doesn't have any guts to face failure. You may argue he admit his loss, but he doesn't let anyone, includng himself, figure out why and by how much.

[woodenRacket]

ALl Chinese players are worried with the Taufik return...

It is too hard for CJ and CH to defeat TH even in his homeground supported by 1 billion supporters....

all chinese players are worried with Taufik lost :cool:

they are tired of playing with team mates :D

[tjl_vanguard]

its a 50-50 thing bout CJ n TH.... they have not met so i think things will go down the wire...

[bananaboy]

Yeah, that explains why he boycotted the HK open.

My philosophy is that I will try my best all the time, against whoever he is. A match is a match which measures the true spectrum of two players, and explores the limits and beyond of personal potential. As a professional player, there is one more responsibility to the spectators to reveal the real capability of yourself, nothing to hide.

So I think what Taufik did is nothing heroic, but complete cowardly, and plus cheating. He just feared to let people know how inferior he is than others. In a word, he doesn't have any guts to face failure. You may argue he admit his loss, but he doesn't let anyone, includng himself, figure out why and by how much.
Exactly!!! TH just came up with the most ridiculous excuse to cover his butt.:p If every player follow his excuse, then we will always have stupid matches like the 3 game of Japan open MS final.:mad:

Imagine upcoming stars draw a match with LCW, PG, or LD, and immediately they share Taufik's excuse, and there we have a match of intentional hitting shuttle into the net... :confused: and would any one of you buy tickets to watch dumb matches like the Japan Open MS final if you know somewhere in the match it WILL turn into another give-away game? Talk about making the game more popular??HAHHAHAHAHAHA.

[2cents]

But I have to admit that Taufik's weird strategy really works.

After he walked off HK open, he actually lost nothing, only a few points for ranking which may never account if he plays more than 10 tournaments, and a hundred dollars prize money for his defeat at HK open. Since he walked off, IBF treated it as Taufik never played at HK Open 2006, no points, no prize, no any record in database. So Taufik will have less loss to Lin Dan in the database. That's exactly what Taufik wanted. So he got what he wanted by walking off

[bananaboy]

But I have to admit that Taufik's weird strategy really works.

After he walked off HK open, he actually lost nothing, only a few points for ranking which may never account if he plays more than 10 tournaments, and a hundred dollars prize money for his defeat at HK open. Since he walked off, IBF treated it as Taufik never played at HK Open 2006, no points, no prize, no any record in database. So Taufik will have less loss to Lin Dan in the database. That's exactly what Taufik wanted. So he got what he wanted by walking off

Now that's why they say Taufik has unmatched "TALENT":p:p Normal people like you and me probably won't plan so far ahead in a tournament, right?:p:D:D we lack talent...:(

[2cents]

Now that's why they say Taufik has unmatched "TALENT":p:p Normal people like you and me probably won't plan so far ahead in a tournament, right?:p:D:D we lack talent...:(

Yeah, exactly.

Taufik is so talented built on the top of the stupidity of the IBF. Is the current IBF CEO a former INA militant?

[cooler]

Now that's why they say Taufik has unmatched "TALENT":p:p Normal people like you and me probably won't plan so far ahead in a tournament, right?:p:D:D we lack talent...:(
no, most of us have dignity and integrity.
taufik=homer simpsons talent: if we can't win, why try.

[indra]

Yeah, that explains why he boycotted the HK open.

My philosophy is that I will try my best all the time, against whoever he is. A match is a match which measures the true spectrum of two players, and explores the limits and beyond of personal potential. As a professional player, there is one more responsibility to the spectators to reveal the real capability of yourself, nothing to hide.

So I think what Taufik did is nothing heroic, but complete cowardly, and plus cheating. He just feared to let people know how inferior he is than others. In a word, he doesn't have any guts to face failure. You may argue he admit his loss, but he doesn't let anyone, includng himself, figure out why and by how much.

you are wrong...Taufik is a hero for Indonesians:D

having no guts to face failure???? You are also very wrong!

remember when TH was seriously injured, he faced any player despite being sick and his knowledge that he would lose...but he kept trying...

[bananaboy]

you are wrong...Taufik is a hero for Indonesians:D

having no guts to face failure???? You are also very wrong!

remember when TH was seriously injured, he faced any player despite being sick and his knowledge that he would lose...but he kept trying...

Gotta admit that you learn from Taufik very well in the fact that you both can come up with millions of excuses to cover his weakness and faults.

Instead of admit Taufik also has weakness just like all human do, both of you will tell the world that "NO, you are wrong... everything Taufik does is according to the Bible!!!:p:p"

[bananaboy]

no, most of us have dignity and integrity.
taufik=homer simpsons talent: if we can't win, why try.

It's more like:

Homer: "I tried, and it hurt!!!:eek:"

[indra]

Gotta admit that you learn from Taufik very well in the fact that you both can come up with millions of excuses to cover his weakness and faults.

Instead of admit Taufik also has weakness just like all human do, both of you will tell the world that "NO, you are wrong... everything Taufik does is according to the Bible!!!:p:p"

No ...I am trying to put it more proportionally...

I learn from Taufik??? No...he learned from me:D

[bananaboy]

I learn from Taufik??? No...he learned from me:D

So you finally admit that you are Taufik's coach "Mulyo" hiding beind the name "Indra" in the BC forum!!!:p

[IndoBOLEHH]

C'mon dont be too sentimental on one particular player guys...We all are badminton lovers, not LD lovers, BCL lover or TH hater, LD hater, bla bla..bla...:D:D:D







Yeah, exactly.

Taufik is so talented built on the top of the stupidity of the IBF. Is the current IBF CEO a former INA militant?

[kemana]

Come on, everybody is just telling his own presumption.Truth is, we don't really know him we don't know what really is in his mind. So, stop guessing and let's just watch the game.

[sandy_bkk]

hello guys ...can anyone be kind enough to tell me who is playing who today and what time the play starts today?

[sandy_bkk]

do any one knows any website where we can make bets on badminton too like soccer?

[kemana]

hello guys ...can anyone be kind enough to tell me who is playing who today and what time the play starts today?
I can only tell you the md and wd started at 13:00 china time. The ms,ws,xd will start at 19:00. Don't know the order of the games,couldn't find it on the official website. About who is playing who, there is another thread about it,I believe you cna find it.:)

[KillerT]

Games are in this order:

20th Oct 1900 (7pm)

Zhang Ning vs Wong Mew Choo
Zhang/Gao vs Tsai/Cheng
Hsieh/Chien vs Xu/Zhao
Wang C vs Zhu L
Bao CL vs Chen Y
Smith A vs Chen H
Xie/Zhang vs Prapakamol/Thoungthongkam
Lu L vs Yao J

TV Court:

Lin D vs Chan Y K
Hidayat T vs Chen J
Mori K vs Wang Y H
He/Yu vs Blair/Wallwork

[sandy_bkk]

Games are in this order:

20th Oct 1900 (7pm)

Zhang Ning vs Wong Mew Choo
Zhang/Gao vs Tsai/Cheng
Hsieh/Chien vs Xu/Zhao
Wang C vs Zhu L
Bao CL vs Chen Y
Smith A vs Chen H
Xie/Zhang vs Prapakamol/Thoungthongkam
Lu L vs Yao J

TV Court:

Lin D vs Chan Y K
Hidayat T vs Chen J
Mori K vs Wang Y H
He/Yu vs Blair/Wallwork

can u please tell me the english website where i can see the live scores or results in English.:D

[pjswift]

Yeah, that explains why he boycotted the HK open.

My philosophy is that I will try my best all the time, against whoever he is. A match is a match which measures the true spectrum of two players, and explores the limits and beyond of personal potential. As a professional player, there is one more responsibility to the spectators to reveal the real capability of yourself, nothing to hide.

So I think what Taufik did is nothing heroic, but complete cowardly, and plus cheating. He just feared to let people know how inferior he is than others. In a word, he doesn't have any guts to face failure. You may argue he admit his loss, but he doesn't let anyone, includng himself, figure out why and by how much.

I admire your philosophy but I won't think of applying it all the time.
Missed the JO final but my friends said TH showed poor sportsmanship.(Will have to catch it in Nov repeat.) Of course that's first reaction but I believe Th made a smart decision.Against LD , TH can possibly play his best for 40 mins after which it will be downhill. If he continue to fight in vain, he will have to withdraw from CO like the way LD did,withdrawing from TO after getting whipped by LCW in MCO , altho LD won. TH 's objective in suddenly working full time is to maximise his ranking points. It's more important to play two tournaments than one to do that. He will win titles in 2007 super series where the money will be worth his effort. Tell me what is worse; TH deciding to stop play creatively without breaking IBF rules, in the 3rd game or LD selectively quitting his match in some AE final against CH.( I say selectively because LD did not do so against LHI in AE2006 in spite of being unusually bandaged up.)
TH is gifted in badminton in the way LD is not. LD has to work real hard for his skills. However LD is unmatched for stamina,where TH easily scores bottom.In fact TH would have done better meeting LD in QF than final. The worst time to meet LD is in the final because his tank is always full at any stage of the tournament whereas others would be a quarter left in final. LD's lungs will never fail him but one day his legs will.
To pre-empt WTL , let me say TH will beat CJ by outsmarting him through experience and skills. He will lose only through lack of stamina.Of course TH won't win CO but he will be happy enough.

[yy_ling]

depends if Taufik does not give his lousy attitude, he might stand a chance. but if he's going to show his attitude problem to china he will definitely loose cause in the JO its obvious that his attitude was wrong and he really messed up. But overall he's capable of beating Lin Dan if he does some work on his mindset

[jermaine]

China wall seems impregnable..:D

[pjswift]

China wall seems impregnable..:D

Not in 2007. The Great Wall will collapse, except the WD. The XD has fallen apart already.This CO has only one non-Chinese No. 1. In 2007 Super Series, there'll be the No. 1s from Denmark, Korea and Malaysia as well, so it'll be exciting.

[IndoBOLEHH]

There's not last hope anymore. TH was just eliminated...What pity:crying:...Well done CJ:cool:...TH, We'll see in Doha with victory of course...

[ctjcad]

There's not last hope anymore. TH was just eliminated...What pity:crying:...Well done CJ:cool:...TH, We'll see in Doha with victory of course...
...hmmm, don't bet on it...hehehe;):rolleyes: :p :D

[virusvoodoo]

Where is Indra again? I like to hear his lame excuses for why Taufik Hidayat lost!

He went into hiding last time when Taufik lost in the World Championships to Chen Hong.

Taufik cannot go on and face reality without lame excuses from fans like you. :eek:

[smashko]

Just like someone said before, TH kicked the wall, instead of breaking the wall he broke his leg.

[ctjcad]

No ...I am trying to put it more proportionally...

I learn from Taufik??? No...he learned from me:D
..hehe, indra, since you "light-heartedly" mentioned that "Taufik learned from you",:) maybe after Taufik comes back from the China Open, you can tell him and "coach" him on his weakness and what he should work on & change...Because the next time he steps back on the court(whenever that will be), we don't want to see any lackadaisical effort or out-of-shape form from him. Because we(us BC/BFers) will expect nothing less than a Final appearance, which might include a full, all-out to the max, energy-sapping effort(if need be) from him, a WC and OC. If he's not ready to compete, then tell him to stay back and train & prepare even more.
Which means, if he comes up short again in his next tournament appearance, *all eyes* will be on you...hehe;):rolleyes: :p :) :D

[bananaboy]

..hehe, indra, since you "light-heartedly" mentioned that "Taufik learned from you",:) maybe after Taufik comes back from the China Open, you can tell him and "coach" him on his weakness and what he should work on & change...Because the next time he steps back on the court(whenever that will be), we don't want to see any lackadaisical effort or out-of-shape form from him. Because we(us BC/BFers) will expect nothing less than a full, all-out to the max, energy-sapping effort(if need be) from him, a WC and OC.
Which means, if he comes up short again in his next tournament appearance, *all eyes* will be on you...hehe;):rolleyes: :p :) :D Actually, I've gotta say Taufik played very well against Chen Jin this time. Whether he was exhausted or not, I've no clue... everyone could say he looked tired or he missed a shot, but only Taufik himself knew whether or not he was really out of gas. Chen Jin simply just played very very well, and there was no shame for Taufik losing to him this time unlike TH's previous defeats. Taufik will need to train hard, or else there will be more players that may some day exceed him in abilities. Bottom line: Chen Jin > expectation in his match against Taufik!!! Side note: How come I can not space out my paragraphs... they just stick together after I summit my post???

[badders2006]

Not in 2007. The Great Wall will collapse, except the WD. The XD has fallen apart already.This CO has only one non-Chinese No. 1. In 2007 Super Series, there'll be the No. 1s from Denmark, Korea and Malaysia as well, so it'll be exciting.
XD fallen apart? rubbish. fact is there r so many strong XD sides from around the world that in any given tournament there r so many quality XD entrants that can win it (incl. china!). CHina cant field an XD that is head n shoulders better than the other countries and u call that 'fallen apart'?! idiot.

[ctjcad]

Actually, I've gotta say Taufik played very well against Chen Jin this time. Whether he was exhausted or not, I've no clue...
..i haven't seen the match myself, but i could imagine(just reading the posts of that match alone already revealed how tense and exciting it was, esp. the 3rd set)..;) :cool:

[woodenRacket]

all chinese players are worried with Taufik lost :cool:

they are tired of playing with team mates :D

I feel sorry for them as TH won't give them the chance...
they have to paly each other again:(

[bananaboy]

..i haven't seen the match myself, but i could imagine(just reading the posts of that match alone already revealed how tense and exciting it was, esp. the 3rd set)..;) :cool: It's worth watching.. I can tell you that much. I watched it 3 times already... really admire Chen Jin for playing so well during such an intense game. Smacking the floor when he won match point = ??? Anyways, a new pose compare to the "crying" or "muscle show". LOL. Chen Jin's choice of shots = top tier in the 3rd game except like 1 or 2 points.

[bananaboy]

I feel sorry for them as TH won't give them the chance...
they have to paly each other again:( I would look-down on any player if they play like sh*t, but you gotta give Taufik credit this time for his performance. Taufik played well, and it was just Chen Jin made sure that it was going to be an all-China semi-final !!!

[pjswift]

XD fallen apart? rubbish. fact is there r so many strong XD sides from around the world that in any given tournament there r so many quality XD entrants that can win it (incl. china!). CHina cant field an XD that is head n shoulders better than the other countries and u call that 'fallen apart'?! idiot.

Some post claimed the great wall was impregnable so it's important to refresh some memory. Thanks for admitting on CHn 's behalf that it's XD is not great. Remember it used to be winner or runner up most of the time before 2006? In WC2006, none make it to even the last four in spite of fielding how many entries? In JO2006, none make it to the finals in spite of fielding the most number of entries. If you don't call that 'fallen apart' , what would you call it? 'Holding on?' I'm just predicting the collapse in 2007; it may come true ,it may not, badminton goes on and hopefully gets better.

[badders2006]

Some post claimed the great wall was impregnable so it's important to refresh some memory. Thanks for admitting on CHn 's behalf that it's XD is not great. Remember it used to be winner or runner up most of the time before 2006? In WC2006, none make it to even the last four in spite of fielding how many entries? In JO2006, none make it to the finals in spite of fielding the most number of entries. If you don't call that 'fallen apart' , what would you call it? 'Holding on?' I'm just predicting the collapse in 2007; it may come true ,it may not, badminton goes on and hopefully gets better.
i stil think ur words go too far as far as XD are concerned. using words like 'fallen apart' and even predictin a collapse? yes it was disapointing for chn not to have any teams make semis in the worlds but like i said, there is jst so much strength in the XD discipline from so many countries its like a lottery who wins any particular match. chn stil have strong XD teams in zhang/gao (prob past their prime) and xie/zhang (xie always injured) and r capable of beating any other team jst like any other team hav jst as gud a chance of beating CHN.

[ggsam]

Poor TH, he shouldn't participate in CO in the first place. Since PG and LCW are not participating, he stand little chance because there are no other player that can stop China 4 super star LD,BCL,CJ,CH. All 4 of them are at same par of standard. Taufik might gone through 1 or 2 of them but eventually he will be drained off. Now looks like he can't even get through CJ. Poor Taufik

[Simp84]

Poor TH, he shouldn't participate in CO in the first place. Since PG and LCW are not participating, he stand little chance because there are no other player that can stop China 4 super star LD,BCL,CJ,CH. All 4 of them are at same par of standard. Taufik might gone through 1 or 2 of them but eventually he will be drained off. Now looks like he can't even get through CJ. Poor Taufik
Time is running out for him.. he definatly have to participate or else he wont make it for Doha.. he need all the experience and practices in order to see how far behind he is compared to the rest..

[badders2006]

Poor TH, he shouldn't participate in CO in the first place. Since PG and LCW are not participating, he stand little chance because there are no other player that can stop China 4 super star LD,BCL,CJ,CH. All 4 of them are at same par of standard. Taufik might gone through 1 or 2 of them but eventually he will be drained off. Now looks like he can't even get through CJ. Poor Taufik
u shud show sum respect to CJ. sounds like u regard CJ as the lowest of the 4 and think CJ shudnt hav beaten Taufik... rude boy CJ is strong n i know im not alone wen i say CJ has more potential than BCL and CH n cud surpass LD for the no.1 chn spot in the not too distant future!

[ggsam]

u shud show sum respect to CJ. sounds like u regard CJ as the lowest of the 4 and think CJ shudnt hav beaten Taufik... rude boy CJ is strong n i know im not alone wen i say CJ has more potential than BCL and CH n cud surpass LD for the no.1 chn spot in the not too distant future!

O man i think u got me wrong, i didn't mentioned CJ is the lowest standard among 4 chn super star, did I? Wat i mentioned was they are at same par of standard. I just feel pity for TH as now anyone of the chn stars is enough to drained him off. Again Taufik pity u.

[woodenRacket]

I would look-down on any player if they play like sh*t, but you gotta give Taufik credit this time for his performance. Taufik played well, and it was just Chen Jin made sure that it was going to be an all-China semi-final !!!

what i said is for Indra :rolleyes:

i do respect Taufik for his performance this time. yet i know someone would say Taufik is still not playing with all his might and because blah blah ...:)

[hara^kazuko]

i stil think ur words go too far as far as XD are concerned. using words like 'fallen apart' and even predictin a collapse? yes it was disapointing for chn not to have any teams make semis in the worlds but like i said, there is jst so much strength in the XD discipline from so many countries its like a lottery who wins any particular match. chn stil have strong XD teams in zhang/gao (prob past their prime) and xie/zhang (xie always injured) and r capable of beating any other team jst like any other team hav jst as gud a chance of beating CHN.

even though u r half-right, calling someone an idiot just because you are not agreed with it proves that u r nothing less than an idiot too

[phaarix]

what i said is for Indra :rolleyes:

i do respect Taufik for his performance this time. yet i know someone would say Taufik is still not playing with all his might and because blah blah ...:)

Taufik most certainly is playing to his full ability now. There's no doubt about it, he's certainly been playing a lot more seriously recently. So it'll be interesting to see how he performs next year in the Super Series!

[badders2006]

even though u r half-right, calling someone an idiot just because you are not agreed with it proves that u r nothing less than an idiot too
i apologise for using that term but i jst feel that the words 'fallen apart' was completelyyyy inappropriate. Fact is we r so used to seeing CHN reach the Finals of any discipline (other than MD). because CHN have set such high standards , wen they have a couple of bad tournies someone thinks 'oh they've fallen apart now!' outrageous! i do admit this thou.. zhang/gao r past their peak n xie/zhang r still tryin to recover their form with xie comin back frmo injury.. so yes CHN XD not full strength at this time.. but how that is 'fallen apart' with xu/zhao and he/yu lookin promising i really dont kno.
REMEMBER: XD is the ONE discipline where a handful of countries can win in any gven tournament - there is incredible strength in depth in this discipline which is great - every country has its own super strong pair so we must put it into CONTEXT!!

[pjswift]

even though u r half-right, calling someone an idiot just because you are not agreed with it proves that u r nothing less than an idiot too
Take it easy.Thanks for being thoughtful. He's just emotionally worked up and need to express his frustration. No problem if he feels better after. Nothing personal.

[cooler]

O man i think u got me wrong, i didn't mentioned CJ is the lowest standard among 4 chn super star, did I? Wat i mentioned was they are at same par of standard. I just feel pity for TH as now anyone of the chn stars is enough to drained him off. Again Taufik pity u.
i think TH pity everyone else coz he has the OC gold and we don't:p

[virusvoodoo]

i think TH pity everyone else coz he has the OC gold and we don't:p

Yeah and we still haven't heard from Indra yet!

Indra, see what I mean when I say you should be more modest and realistic! This way you don't get embarrassed like this. I like Peter Gade as much as you idolize Taufik but I never go around saying everyone is afraid of Peter Gade.

[bic33]

this thread is reaaaally funny... i see many flaming indra..lol
I like LD for his speed and power, TH for his superior technique, PG for his unique playing style, LCW for his relentless effort and fighting spirit...
For me, they are the top 4 players as of now...

now, just to have someone on indra's side.. i think taufik is the most talented player in this era... his technique alone is more than enough to get him a gold in athens and the 2005 WC...
unfortunately, time ages people.. TH doesn't have the same good old physical condition he once has... and we all know that talent is not the only thing that wins championships... perfect example is LD.. LD's plays may not be the most flashy plays.. but his placing, consistency, speed and power makes up for that...

i understand why indra idolizes taufik very much... winning two 7* tournaments in a year isn't just really hard to ignore:)

*don't flame me ok? kidding...:D

[aznjjchan]

what happened? in game 3 of TH vs LD, the score was 21-3 and TH ended the match was much discouragement. The handshake between TH and LD was weak... if you would brought it to the third game atleast finish it... :crying:

hmmm....

[Smichz]

CH national team afraids TH the most,then there's LCW.PG stands the lowest.Sorry to say that(no offense)The new guy boonsak still not included in the black list,yet.This is what i heard from the commentators in every matches n i feel it that way as well.LD n TH's match is one of the match that everyone's waiting.It's a pity that LD had to walk out because of his injury.We couldnt enjoy the match like we expected.But if we wanna find out which one is better,we should watch the Sudirman,Thomas Uber,OG.Players really prepared up for those big matches.Like opens,players could sometimes underestimate their opponents,which results in unexpected lost.

Player's world rank is what's CH national team really after.They're so desperate n eager about filling the top 10.But what happend when a 1st rank(LD) got defeated by a 34th rank(TH)?Once i heard the conversation of the 2 commentators during the LD n TH's match.One commentator,a woman,in chinese,said TH's achievement these days were poor.He went down to 34th.N the other commentator said,even though it's true,TH is still one of the most feared opponents of CH national team.His rank went down only because he participated in much lesser number than LD did.LD almost participated in Every championship,while TH only participated in matches that he think it's important.Even that,in some of them,he's still absent.

So,my point is Between TH n LD,no one is better.They're both r one of the almost perfect example of their style.So,it's all depends on what u like.If u like speed n power,maybe LD is ur idol.But if u prefer brainy,smart,more technique..then maybe TH is ur man.I like TH myself.I love to learn from his play,since i'm not that fast.I prefer make ur opponent running that kind of game,rather than comparing who's faster n more powerful.I dont like TH in person,but i do like his game play.So does LD,i love to his play,but i dont like his attitude as well.Their personality is still somehow dissapointing.But i'm glad i heard much less of those news these days.

So,it's our own prefference.But winning big matches n not all the matches,of course,will be one standard to state which one's better.Looking forward for those days.

[Torres]

13b? Only a few of them like badminton in China. And some of those wo like badminton watch badminton match.

Wrong. It must be 1.3 billion