Japan/China Open '06: why did taufik lose ?

[baihaki_as]

what happend in third set? lin dan victory is too easy

[ye333]

He seems slow on court and his smashes are not as penetrating as before. That's why he cannot finish in 2 sets although he got many lifts.

My guess is that Taufik overestimated himself. He thought his current form is enough to beat LD. It turned out he needs to do more training in the following two months. :D

[liying_0505]

taufik gave up in the 3rd game after losing 10 points to lin dan......
aikksss....he should have the nvr give up spirit

[woodenRacket]

Why? There is no why.

LD plays much better and clever than him!

[cooler]

what happend in third set? lin dan victory is too easywhat happen was lin dan unleashed his true potency over the over hyped taufik. LD is good and ready to play the 4th and 5th sets if they was one. LD not only won, he dominated TH.

LCW should learn from this match how to beat taufik.
I think lcw has the skills to beat taufik as well.
He has to learn the same way as LD early days with taufik, don't get psych out by taufik's presence just because he's OC gold medalist. TH is just another beatable player

[sickgal]

ehem ehem... no excuse for TH this time i guess... well i'll see what his fans comment bout his performance... so the all the TH's fans..bite ur fingers...

[hydrocyanic]

ehem ehem... no excuse for TH this time i guess... well i'll see what his fans comment bout his performance... so the all the TH's fans..bite ur fingers...

you are funny! in a good way :D

and yes, i await some innovative comments as well, beside the same old motivation, next game, etc reasons*

:D

[cao ci dan]

it will be more interesting if this thread named 'ask indra why taufik lost'...hehe!!

[taufik23]

Taufik mentally is corrupt after third game beginning, cause too much mistake cause him give up the third game. But second game should be win if he is more concertration and energitic. As from the tv show, Li dan is no really happy or satisfy he win so easily in third set even he is knowing Taufik is just throwing the points to him.

Li dan is too strong for every player in the world currently, no one can beat him even taufik. But it is in this moment only....how about 2008?

[niuniu]

dang! the thread that everyone is hoping for just popped out

[-wei-]

why taufik lost ?

Cos he's a MORON!!! Plain and simple

[cindie]

Taufik mentally is corrupt after third game beginning, cause too much mistake cause him give up the third game. But second game should be win if he is more concertration and energitic. As from the tv show, Li dan is no really happy or satisfy he win so easily in third set even he is knowing Taufik is just throwing the points to him.

Li dan is too strong for every player in the world currently, no one can beat him even taufik. But it is in this moment only....how about 2008?

By 2008, TH will be 27 years old already..

[hydrocyanic]

Taufik mentally is corrupt after third game beginning, cause too much mistake cause him give up the third game. But second game should be win if he is more concertration and energitic. As from the tv show, Li dan is no really happy or satisfy he win so easily in third set even he is knowing Taufik is just throwing the points to him.

Li dan is too strong for every player in the world currently, no one can beat him even taufik. But it is in this moment only....how about 2008?

2years from now TH will be 26/7 while LD is 25/6

for 2008, i think LD will has his golden year, as athletic as LD is, he should be able to extend his career to 27/8 if he can polish his skills when his physical edge over others start to fade.

[BaddestHawaii]

LD started to be aware of TH net play in the beg. of 3rd game. After LD tap and won couple point at the net + couple more aggressive smashed + some unforced error from TH. TH knows that he is not going to win....
LD is very FIT!! That's all I can say....

[DinkAlot]

Taufik lost because he gave up. It's as simple as that.

Why he gave up, you can fill in that blank.

As for what I think, I bet Taufik felt even if he played his best in the 3rd set, he would have still lost. So instead of trying, he layed up. Taufik did not want to face reality, the possibility that if he played his best he could be beat.

[-wei-]

Taufik did not want to face reality, the possibility that if he played his best he could be beat.[/B]

EXACTLY, Taufik wants to be his own man.
Since he knows he can't win, he's not out there to entertain anybody.
Why bother playing the last few points? Just pack up and leave.
He didn't even bother to give his opponent the respect and satisfaction for kicking his arse and wiping him all over the court in the last set.
Bring on Lee Chong Wei instead!

[weeyet]

while the 2nd game was tied at 15-15, taufik's concentration and stamina dropped tremendously, I think that led to his defeat in the 2nd game.

In the 3rd game, it's very obvios at the start, Taufik's concentration and stamina had lost, he knew with his stamina level he couldn't fight anymore.
That's why he gave up

[rhinovinda]

1.poor outfit (as usual, he should have hired private designer).
2.trauma of the old time (making lots of unforced errors in the final).
3.no fortunate bad calls.
4.LYB is not on court so he misses LYB so much.
5.still exhausted from playing LCW yesterday.
6.no beautiful indonesian student girls cheered him up in stadium.
7.no typical 'Taufik Taufik' singing in stadium.
8.LD did not want to play in the net again.
9.too low current rank, lack of tournament.
10.changes of style of play in the 2nd set and especially in the 3rd set.
11.lost when nova/lily also lost.

That's all I have, perhaps one of the reason matches the truth. :D :crying::crying:

[sickgal]

which lead us to one conclusion: TH has no sportsmanship!!

[zqloy]

2years from now TH will be 26/7 while LD is 25/6

for 2008, i think LD will has his golden year, as athletic as LD is, he should be able to extend his career to 27/8 if he can polish his skills when his physical edge over others start to fade.
But do not forgot about LCW and the younger CJ! Both will be as equally dangerous and experience then, just like LD!

[ctjcad]

what happend in third set? lin dan victory is too easy

while the 2nd game was tied at 15-15, taufik's concentration and stamina dropped tremendously, I think that led to his defeat in the 2nd game.

In the 3rd game, it's very obvios at the start, Taufik's concentration and stamina had lost, he knew with his stamina level he couldn't fight anymore.
That's why he gave up
weeyet, you're spot on..;).and as for baihaki as' question, well, you can always go back to the recent WC sub-forum and there should be another post similar to this which has the same answers(eventhough TH played against CH instead)-nooo difference..:p ;) :D

[LI De Quan]

{[I can sense that Lin Dan must be feeling now : It's also quite unfair. First he got walked off in the HK Open, now he got an effortless effort by Taufik in the 3rd set.][ As from the tv show, Lin dan is no really happy or satisfy he win so easily in third set even he is knowing Taufik is just throwing the points to him. ]} ( It's quote from others' ) I agree , VERY MUCH ,VERY MUCH

[jasonmarc]

From this JO, i can really see a real CHAMPION as LD being able to maintained himself at peak after won the WC last month, as previous WC winner all experinced a drop in form after they had won,.....i solute U.....LIN DAN.....a true Champion..........Booooooooo to TAUFIK HIDAYAT!

[DennisW]

{[I can sense that Lin Dan must be feeling now : It's also quite unfair. First he got walked off in the HK Open, now he got an effortless effort by Taufik in the 3rd set.][ As from the tv show, Lin dan is no really happy or satisfy he win so easily in third set even he is knowing Taufik is just throwing the points to him. ]} ( It's quote from others' ) I agree , VERY MUCH ,VERY MUCH

If this is TRUE, it will only keep LinDan working hard to beat TH anytime they met on court.

[weeyet]

weeyet, you're spot on..;).and as for baihaki as' question, well, you can always go back to the recent WC sub-forum and there should be another post similar to this which has the same answers(eventhough TH played against CH instead)-nooo difference..:p ;) :D

taufik gave away too many easy points after the 15-15...
:crying:

[bellatrix]

EXACTLY, Taufik wants to be his own man.
Since he knows he can't win, he's not out there to entertain anybody.
Why bother playing the last few points? Just pack up and leave.
He didn't even bother to give his opponent the respect and satisfaction for kicking his arse and wiping him all over the court in the last set.
Bring on Lee Chong Wei instead!


wei, i think, ur comment is the best... yeah i agree with u totally!!!

[Felicia_txh]

Taufik is too arrogant!!n he is quite emotional!!lin dan can control his emotion n his situation better than taufik!!!!tat's y lin dan can be the top player!!!!!!;) :cool:

[rbuvic]

Any videos available for this final online? Maybe youtube.com?
Sounds like Mr TH ain't so entertaining. All of them bestest have attitudes and personality, I watched LD in that Malay ceremoney and LCW's interviews... but those guys always put up a good fight even when they're losing, just for the sake of their fans/audiences. Respect, y'all good players should fight 'till the last point. Otherwise more people will lose interest in the sport, at least in men's. Why pay $100 to watch someone play with no effort? What's the point of attending a tourney when there're no tricks to see?

[hara^kazuko]

That's why he is taufik... I'm disappointed with Taufik's poor play in the third set.. he gives up... it ruins my day... but he is just Taufik

[Bbn]

I know why Taufik got thrashed :

1) He was not motivated to play in the final as he had already beat LD b4.

2) He wants to save his energy for Asian Games, it is more important.

3) He pitied LD, having humiliated LD 15-3 in 2005 WC he wanted LD to feel good by letting him 21-3.

4) He was afraid Li YB would be displeased and abuse him.

5) If LD and China want to win so badly he wanted to allow them to win.


Convincing? It is very like the people want finds near the Equator.

[phaarix]

I know why Taufik got thrashed :

1) He was not motivated to play in the final as he had already beat LD b4.

2) He wants to save his energy for Asian Games, it is more important.

3) He pitied LD, having humiliated LD 15-3 in 2005 WC he wanted LD to feel good by letting him 21-3.

4) He was afraid Li YB would be displeased and abuse him.

5) If LD and China want to win so badly he wanted to allow them to win.


Convincing? It is very like the people want finds near the Equator.

I can't tell if you're joking or not lol. I'm leaning towards joking :p.

[jermaine]

he lose means lose la. he just lose to a player better than him in every aspect thats all..
losing doesnt means everything, it is the lesson you learnt from it and im sure both players have learnt something valuable after their match.
it applies to all of us playing badminton, regardless of a match or for fun.

most importantly, you have to learnt something from the experience.

[-wei-]

It's not about him losing, it's about him acting like a total arse just because Lin Dan won't let him win.
He is there to compete, no matter how little he is paid, he is supposed to compete, otherwise why not let someone take his place.
Gade and Chong Wei at least would have played to the end, so Taufiks behaviour is disrespectful to them too.
Even when Lin Dan threw a hissy fit in malaysia after losing to Chong Wei, at least he played to the end and not take anything away from his opponents win.

[bellatrix]

1.poor outfit (as usual, he should have hired private designer).
4.LYB is not on court so he misses LYB so much.
6.no beautiful indonesian student girls cheered him up in stadium.



hahahahahahaha....

[bellatrix]

1.poor outfit (as usual, he should have hired private designer).
4.LYB is not on court so he misses LYB so much.
6.no beautiful indonesian student girls cheered him up in stadium.



hahahahahahaha.... agree, agree with u...

[eravalo]

Lin Dan is simply on top of his game. TH got frustrated when in the second game, he slowly lost his lead and at one time, shouted in disgust of himself.
When LD took a huge lead in the 3rd game, TH simply gave up.

Though I still prefer TH's game (only when's he's totally focused and in shape), it would be interesting to see how both ould play in this year's Asin Games in Doha. Would a more focused and fitter TH face LD in Doha? Let's see what happens.

[chilaverto]

It's not about him losing, it's about him acting like a total arse just because Lin Dan won't let him win.
He is there to compete, no matter how little he is paid, he is supposed to compete, otherwise why not let someone take his place.
Gade and Chong Wei at least would have played to the end, so Taufiks behaviour is disrespectful to them too.
Even when Lin Dan threw a hissy fit in malaysia after losing to Chong Wei, at least he played to the end and not take anything away from his opponents win.

What if LCW lost to LD.. would u say he's a total arse too? I can sense biasness from 'some' of the MASs here. comments are meant to be fair. Yes, TH played very very badly, hope he learnt his lesson and play better in the upcoming tournaments. Congrats to LD, he played darn well, so no comments. come on commentators, be fair..:cool:

[ksooi]

which lead us to one conclusion: TH has no sportsmanship!!


May I ask why taufik's losing has to do with his sportsmanship?

[hara^kazuko]

What if LCW lost to LD.. would u say he's a total arse too? I can sense biasness from 'some' of the MASs here. comments are meant to be fair. Yes, TH played very very badly, hope he learnt his lesson and play better in the upcoming tournaments. Congrats to LD, he played darn well, so no comments. come on commentators, be fair..:cool:

what about his comments that has got something to do with the Malaysian fans? And mind you explain what are the biased comments?

what he means is that Taufik's unwillingness to play in the third set is what matters the most... It's not about losing a game, it's about the right fighting spirit and sportmanship to show

[-wei-]

What if LCW lost to LD.. would u say he's a total arse too? I can sense biasness from 'some' of the MASs here. comments are meant to be fair. Yes, TH played very very badly, hope he learnt his lesson and play better in the upcoming tournaments. Congrats to LD, he played darn well, so no comments. come on commentators, be fair..:cool:

Umm... I'm a chinese living in the UK.
And so what if LCW lose to Lin Dan? He always does lose to Lin Dan anway.
It does not change the fact that LCW has better character than Taufik.
Sorry, I'm just not getting your point here.

[smashko]

I did not watch the match live, but it sounds like a exellent match from what you guys are talking about. I can not wait to watch the video record. Can some one load it up, please.
Were there any bad line calls against TH or did anyone hear LYB shouting "break his legs" ?
Comparing walking off the court in HKO to giving up fihgting in the 3rd game I see improvement in TH. TH would not have given up if he saw any chance of winning the game or felt he had any gas in the tank. A TH in top form was beaten by Super Dan, that's all. But I still want to say that TH did well in this JO by beating LCW in a convincing manner and reaching the final. This is his second best performance after IO.

[atitmd]

does anybody here know where to download these videos? thanks.

[phaarix]

I did not watch the match live, but it sounds like a exellent match from what you guys are talking about. I can not wait to watch the video record. Can some one load it up, please.
Were there any bad line calls against TH or did anyone hear LYB shouting "break his legs" ?
Comparing walking off the court in HKO to giving up fihgting in the 3rd game I see improvement in TH. TH would not have given up if he saw any chance of winning the game or felt he had any gas in the tank. A TH in top form was beaten by Super Dan, that's all. But I still want to say that TH did well in this JO by beating LCW in a convincing manner and reaching the final. This is his second best performance after IO.

Yeah, it was a great game up until Taufik lost it in the third set. There were many really good rallies and both players were going for almost everything (some really amazing returns). There were no bad line calls as far as I could see, and I'm not sure LYB was even there. At least he didn't go up to Lin Dan during breaks. If you forget about the terrible final set you've got a really good match, and it's well worth downloading if it gets put up here :).

[-wei-]

I did not watch the match live, but it sounds like a exellent match from what you guys are talking about. I can not wait to watch the video record. Can some one load it up, please.
Were there any bad line calls against TH or did anyone hear LYB shouting "break his legs" ?
Comparing walking off the court in HKO to giving up fihgting in the 3rd game I see improvement in TH. TH would not have given up if he saw any chance of winning the game or felt he had any gas in the tank. A TH in top form was beaten by Super Dan, that's all. But I still want to say that TH did well in this JO by beating LCW in a convincing manner and reaching the final. This is his second best performance after IO.
It could have been a brilliant match actually.
The problem was there were no bad line calls so it didn't give him any opportunity to walk off.
So he just hit all his shots into the net as if to say to Lin Dan "you can't beat me when I play properly"
Even Lin Dan felt a bit embarrased, and he showed no reaction after winning.
Taufik is an arse, he didn't care **** about the people who were there to watch the finals.

[phaarix]

It could have been a brilliant match actually.
The problem was there were no bad line calls so it didn't give him any opportunity to walk off.
So he just hit all his shots into the net as if to say to Lin Dan "you can't beat me when I play properly"
Even Lin Dan felt a bit embarrased, and he showed no reaction after winning.
Taufik is an arse, he didn't care **** about the people who were there to watch the finals.

I really don't think it was like that. From what I saw it started off in the third set with Taufik giving it his all (I'll have to watch it again though to be sure), but mistake after mistake caused him to lose his cool. He just couldn't fucus anymore and ended up in the last few points of the match so frustrated that he just gave the points away.

That's what I think anyway. I'll state again though that it wasn't particularly sporting to do such a thing, but like I remember someone saying in another thread, "Taufik is Taufik". It's just how he is, he can't do much about the way he feels. We don't need to like what he does sometimes, but at least accept who he is. Remember that it's far easier to notice people's bad points than their good ones.

[blueagle]

Taufik lost because he gave up. It's as simple as that.

Why he gave up, you can fill in that blank.

As for what I think, I bet Taufik felt even if he played his best in the 3rd set, he would have still lost. So instead of trying, he layed up. Taufik did not want to face reality, the possibility that if he played his best he could be beat.

i agree 100%!!!!

[-wei-]

I really don't think it was like that. From what I saw it started off in the third set with Taufik giving it his all (I'll have to watch it again though to be sure), but mistake after mistake caused him to lose his cool. He just couldn't fucus anymore and ended up in the last few points of the match so frustrated that he just gave the points away.

That's what I think anyway. I'll state again though that it wasn't particularly sporting to do such a thing, but like I remember someone saying in another thread, "Taufik is Taufik". It's just how he is, he can't do much about the way he feels. We don't need to like what he does sometimes, but at least accept who he is. Remember that it's far easier to notice people's bad points than their good ones.

I'm not making the argument that "Taufik is not Taufik".
I'm making the argument that Taufik is an arse that has little respect for Lin Dan who handed him his butt, and little care about the sport and the public who pay to watch the finals.
And no, I don't have to accept him for what he is if I think he's an idiot that has little character.

[zqloy]

I'm not making the argument that "Taufik is not Taufik".
I'm making the argument that Taufik is an arse that has little respect for Lin Dan who handed him his butt, and little care about the sport and the public who pay to watch the finals.
And no, I don't have to accept him for what he is if I think he's an idiot that has little character.

Hey, chill dude. From wat i know LD is also known for treating his opponents with less respect as well.....:rolleyes:

[phaarix]

I'm not making the argument that "Taufik is not Taufik".
I'm making the argument that Taufik is an arse that has little respect for Lin Dan who handed him his butt, and little care about the sport and the public who pay to watch the finals.
And no, I don't have to accept him for what he is if I think he's an idiot that has little character.
Err, ok then lol if that's what you think. But you completely missed my point. Nor do I think you quite understand what I meant by "Taufik is Taufik". You can think what you want of him, I'm not worried. But please... take your insults elsewhere, we don't need to hear them.

[maa2003]

simply, LD is better than TH, ........ no other reason especially for the 3rd set.
LD is like diesel engine (remember in WC2006, he beaten BCL in 3rd set also easily).
for the time being, I think only LD himself can beat LD, no doubt for it.

Let's see in the China Open from tomorrow onward.

[-wei-]

Hey, chill dude. From wat i know LD is also known for treating his opponents with less respect as well.....:rolleyes:
Lin Dan is not as humble as LCW, Gade, or maybe Xia.
But he does what he is supposed to do on court, which is play to the last point.
If Lin Dan were to stop playing in any game, he wouldn't even be in the chinese team.

[Simp84]

Taufik lost due to far too many mistake in 2nd game..
And I personally think Taufik will find it difficult to reign in new scoring system.. The more I watch him play, the more I am convinced that he cannot beat LD..
He is so good at stringing consecutive points and then throwing away consecutive points, he is not persistent enough which is very typical of him..
Anyway all credits goes to LD.. I think both players are on form & it could have went either way

sidenotes: BC is flooding with meaningless childish argument. Kwun/other admins, I hope in the future you guys will lock down any thread whenever someone expresses hostility or making offensive comments. Thank you.

[saugusli]

Taufik stamina very bad. That's way before The Final, Indonesia manager team said: Need to improve Taufik's Stamina. It's presimistic from Indonesia to win.

I think Taufik can't win at China Open because start on Tuesday, 17Oct... Taufik can go to training to improve his stamina... Unless the Sea Games Doha....

Lin Dan stamina very good and stable. Lin dan just gave taufik lift and not much play at net..It is very good strategy by Lin Dan. It is the Second Game...After 15-15 Taufik Stamina drop..

I think Taufik have to preparing to improve his stamina and change his attitude.....If He can do it...He will be the great player again... I want Taufik to do it because right now I want to see the LD opponent can be strong..Included LCW, Peter Gade....Because Only three of them can beat Lin Dan.....

Let's go....LCW, Taufik and Peter Gade...


simply, LD is better than TH, ........ no other reason especially for the 3rd set.
LD is like diesel engine (remember in WC2006, he beaten BCL in 3rd set also easily).
for the time being, I think only LD himself can beat LD, no doubt for it.

Let's see in the China Open from tomorrow onward.

[Bobatea]

I'm really biased against Lin Dan because I really don't approve of his sportsmanship, but you have to admit that Lin Dan is truly a great player. He is very consistent and has an amazing fighting spirit. In order to be #1, you really do sometimes have to be very arrogant in order to stay focused. Not many people like him because of that, but you have to recognize his abilities.

Taufik is also an amazing player. He has shown that if he wants it, he will win it. He is a very gifted player, but he tends to lose in the mental game and therefore does not use his gifts to their full potential. His backhand and netplay is usually unrivaled (ESPECIALLY that backhand of his...), but again his mental preparation isn't solid.

Taufik was very into the game. The first game he was outplaying Lin Dan and Lin Dan was showing some frustration with his game play. Early in the match, Taufik was showing some disgust with Lin Dan's flick serves, sometimes looking to the service judge to see if there was a fault, and sometimes frustrated at himself for not getting the shot. In the second game, he shouted with frustration, showing he was clearly trying to win. But again, he lost in the mental game and ended up losing the 2nd game and gave away the 3rd game. He should have fought, but Taufik tends to be a little unstable, particularly when he doesn't like the player he's playing against. I love watching him play against Lee Chong Wei and Peter Gade because they have a deep respect for each other and show it, but no player seems to show any respect for Lin Dan because no one really likes his sportsmanship. They recognize his talent and Peter Gade said in his interview that Lin Dan was just stronger (Didn't mention a thing about Lin Dan's conducts. Shows how humble Peter Gade is).

There was no Li Yong Bo or controversial line calls. Taufik lost mentally, and therefore lost the game. Kinda reminds me of a certain Denmark doubles team that got the yellow card...:o

There was a small Indonesian cheer squad, but I think they worked against him. To me, they were really annoying and not like the Thomas/Uber Cup crowd. All they did was chant and shout a few times and followed it with childish screaming and laughter. They "cheered" in funny voices they made. Honestly, they were all children. It wasn't serious cheering.

I love Tony and Candra because they are #1 and humble at the same time. After the first game ended during the finals against MAL, both teams switched ends, but Tony walked back and brought back one of the MAL player's towel that he forgot to take with him.

[Malaysianfan]

I'm really biased against Lin Dan because I really don't approve of his sportsmanship, but you have to admit that Lin Dan is truly a great player. He is very consistent and has an amazing fighting spirit. In order to be #1, you really do sometimes have to be very arrogant in order to stay focused. Not many people like him because of that, but you have to recognize his abilities.

Taufik is also an amazing player. He has shown that if he wants it, he will win it. He is a very gifted player, but he tends to lose in the mental game and therefore does not use his gifts to their full potential. His backhand and netplay is usually unrivaled (ESPECIALLY that backhand of his...), but again his mental preparation isn't solid.

Taufik was very into the game. The first game he was outplaying Lin Dan and Lin Dan was showing some frustration with his game play. Early in the match, Taufik was showing some disgust with Lin Dan's flick serves, sometimes looking to the service judge to see if there was a fault, and sometimes frustrated at himself for not getting the shot. In the second game, he shouted with frustration, showing he was clearly trying to win. But again, he lost in the mental game and ended up losing the 2nd game and gave away the 3rd game. He should have fought, but Taufik tends to be a little unstable, particularly when he doesn't like the player he's playing against. I love watching him play against Lee Chong Wei and Peter Gade because they have a deep respect for each other and show it, but no player seems to show any respect for Lin Dan because no one really likes his sportsmanship. They recognize his talent and Peter Gade said in his interview that Lin Dan was just stronger (Didn't mention a thing about Lin Dan's conducts. Shows how humble Peter Gade is).

There was no Li Yong Bo or controversial line calls. Taufik lost mentally, and therefore lost the game. Kinda reminds me of a certain Denmark doubles team that got the yellow card...:o

There was a small Indonesian cheer squad, but I think they worked against him. To me, they were really annoying and not like the Thomas/Uber Cup crowd. All they did was chant and shout a few times and followed it with childish screaming and laughter. They "cheered" in funny voices they made. Honestly, they were all children. It wasn't serious cheering.

I love Tony and Candra because they are #1 and humble at the same time. After the first game ended during the finals against MAL, both teams switched ends, but Tony walked back and brought back one of the MAL player's towel that he forgot to take with him.

I agree of what you said, Bobatea. We will only see Taufik's bad sportmanship when he plays against Lin Dan. I remember than when LCW defeated Taufik 15-0 in Malaysian Open 2 years ago, Taufik behaved properly and still played till the end. He even praised LCW for playing well after the defeat.

[Kamen]

May I ask why taufik's losing has to do with his sportsmanship?

because he just gave up after 11 in the 3rd set and hit most of the shots into the net. In fact, he intentionally put the shuttle into the net during the championship point.

He was not sporting and show no sportsmanship, period.

[ckloo]

It has been long time that I dint post to a thread after I was being bashed like a bashed potato for starting a thread to condemn taufik for his egoness and lousy sportmenship about a year. At that time, everyone said I was prejudice and wrong with my opinion but after today I think many of you will know who taufik really is.Congrats to LD!

[ye333]

Ya that's why I say Taufik really cared about this game. He overestimated himself. He thought he can compensate his bad stamina/power/speed using his net play. But when LD realized that it's totally safe to give Taufik lifts (which is normally a bad idea when playing against Taufik), TH is doomed.

Maybe Li Mao is right. Taufik has passed his peak, not because he is old or anything, but because he needs to train very hard to gain his old agility, speed and power, I really doubt he can do that. And without them, beating LD is impossible. :cool:


Lin Dan is simply on top of his game. TH got frustrated when in the second game, he slowly lost his lead and at one time, shouted in disgust of himself.
When LD took a huge lead in the 3rd game, TH simply gave up.

Though I still prefer TH's game (only when's he's totally focused and in shape), it would be interesting to see how both ould play in this year's Asin Games in Doha. Would a more focused and fitter TH face LD in Doha? Let's see what happens.

[Baderz_Jas]

agree with ckloo with TH, he gave up! :mad: I thought it would be a really close match between LD+TH as TH seems to be motivated and playing well! But I'm really really angry at TH for doing that! :mad: Especially about him just touching LD's hand after the match!

[Baderz_Jas]

Now LD is the real champion! Jia You aaaaaa :D

[sickgal]

thats why... things happen at the times when we least expected it..every1 thought LD n TH match should be a great match to be watched..even the commentator repeated it for zillion times... but somehow...things dont go according to the plan... too badd...

[Baderz_Jas]

thats why... things happen at the times when we least expected it..every1 thought LD n TH match should be a great match to be watched..even the commentator repeated it for zillion times... but somehow...things dont go according to the plan... too badd...

yeah.. now everyone + the commentators will say LD vs LCW should be a great match to be watched (they are :p )...then I hope this will go according to plan :D

[ctjcad]

Taufik was very into the game. The first game he was outplaying Lin Dan and Lin Dan was showing some frustration with his game play. Early in the match, Taufik was showing some disgust with Lin Dan's flick serves, sometimes looking to the service judge to see if there was a fault, and sometimes frustrated at himself for not getting the shot. In the second game, he shouted with frustration, showing he was clearly trying to win. But again, he lost in the mental game and ended up losing the 2nd game and gave away the 3rd game. He should have fought, but Taufik tends to be a little unstable, particularly when he doesn't like the player he's playing against. I love watching him play against Lee Chong Wei and Peter Gade because they have a deep respect for each other and show it, but no player seems to show any respect for Lin Dan because no one really likes his sportsmanship. They recognize his talent and Peter Gade said in his interview that Lin Dan was just stronger (Didn't mention a thing about Lin Dan's conducts. Shows how humble Peter Gade is).
hmm, IMO, it goes "deeper" than the statement i've highlighted in bold. I mean, he didn't fight all the way to the Final to meet LinDan, then "unwillingly" forced a rubber set for him to "suddenly" give up, did he??..Did you see any distinct body language from Taufik at end of 2nd set and beginning of 3rd set. I mean, "just giving away the 3rd set", do you think that's the attitude of a WC & OC??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)

[ctjcad]

Taufik stamina very bad. That's way before The Final, Indonesia manager team said: Need to improve Taufik's Stamina. It's presimistic from Indonesia to win.
..hmm, if that was actually said, then that's not a surprise & expected..;)

[cooler]

It has been long time that I dint post to a thread after I was being bashed like a bashed potato for starting a thread to condemn taufik for his egoness and lousy sportmenship about a year. At that time, everyone said I was prejudice and wrong with my opinion but after today I think many of you will know who taufik really is.Congrats to LD!
Exactly. All this bashing of LD because of his arrogant but provided no proofs from the taufik fans. Reality, it is the opposite, taufik court behavior leave something to be desired. If taufik really dislike LD, why doesnt he try extra hard to beat LD instead of giving up ? If LD is so arrogant, why IBF (BWF) had penalized taufik and not LD? Of all those 'bad things':rolleyes: LD did to peter gade, taufik, lcw, blah blah blah, why didnt danish badmintion Association, BAM, pbsi complained to the IBF(BWF)? It has been written here that chinese team/LYB/LD and even XXF respected taufik, why taufik and taufik fans see the opposite? Taufik throw away his 3 set and lost, did LD pull shirt over his head or fall to the court and dance?? No, LD got a cold fish handshake. Who is respecting who here? According to taufik fans, Taufik's no respect to LD is good sportmanship but LD's action (whatever that is:confused: :rolleyes: ) is arrogant and poor sportsmansip. I really dont understand the die hard taufik fan's logic at all.

[hydrocyanic]

Exactly. All this bashing of LD because of his arrogant but provided no proofs from the taufik fans. Reality, it is the opposite, taufik court behavior leave something to be desired. If taufik really dislike LD, why doesnt he try extra hard to beat LD instead of giving up ? If LD is so arrogant, why IBF (BWF) had penalized taufik and not LD? Of all those 'bad things':rolleyes: LD did to peter gade, taufik, lcw, blah blah blah, why didnt danish badmintion Association, BAM, pbsi complained to the IBF(BWF)? It has been written here that chinese team/LYB/LD and even XXF respected taufik, why taufik and taufik fans see the opposite? Taufik throw away his 3 set and lost, did LD pull shirt over his head or fall to the court and dance?? No, who is respecting who here? According to taufik fans, Taufik's no respect to LD is good sportmanship but LD's action (whatever that is) is arrogant and poor sportsmansip. I really dont understand the die hard taufik fan's logic at all.
let me guess, thats b/c TH did not win the game?

seeing how LD didn't do his nude dance, TH really pissed him bad on giving up the 3rd set

now who is being arrogant now? :)

i'd rather see a dead TH on court exhausted at the end of 3rd set than seeing a TH that hit the shuttle to the net or off the court

at least he would have earn my respect

[cooler]

One more other 'technical' point:

Many taufik fans here have said taufik is not adapting to the NSS, too fast, too short, that's why taufik can't win under the NSS. This is all BS IMO. If taufik's stamina is degrading with time, what hope in hell does he has to win under OSS which drags on even longer than the NSS? So taufik fans, please don't say taufik lost because of the NSS because the shorter duration of NSS favors the less fit taufik.

Look at tony g and candra W, they finish off their opponents in a almost record time, true champions they are. Why can't taufik do that if he soooo superior?

[s239rt]

Aside from sportmanship, let me, in my humble opinion, comment on the game itself. (BUT, TH is WRONG to throw away the 3rd SET!!!)
I want to discuss a little more about the actual game itself. I am a big fan of LD first of all, and the chinese team(guess I am a chinese haha anyways). But so serious, I was watching it LIVE on the web broadcast, for the 1st and til 2nd half of the game, DAMN, I am like "oh man, can't believe there is REALLY that a gap of LEVEL difference between LD and TH." Don't get me wrong, I mean TH WAS really out playing LD for a while. LD, normally with a lot of confidence through out any games, was like FRUSTRATED... til like 2nd half game. I mean just an obvious PROOF that normally he will shout or do some LITTLE show or what not after a good shots, smash etc. There weren't any. HIS eyes looked like..., as in chinese "no fire". like wasn't motivated. But honestly, with exception of a number of net mistakes(which is not his strong part anyways), he was Playing in FORM... I was able to sense him that for the FIRST time, he simply didn't KNOW what to do to beat TH. But again, here is where LD is the #1 in the world. I have to say BY FAR the best fighting spirit over other players, and able to somehow, as seen a lot of times, like a turbo for cars, TURN himself into EXTRA mode to perform something EXTRA... with the later points of the 2nd game, couldn't remember which pt exactly, but there WAS one shot, ONE shot, that from that pt on, he KNEW what to do. It would be a good fight to see him in his EXTRA mode in the 3rd set vs a say 1st GAME's TH...... But man, stamina or spirit you may all say, that caused TH's poorly performance.

**But to my suprise, TH was outplaying LD, CLEARLY, like I meant tactic wise(aside mistakes), deceptions...** Kinda remind me of Zhao Jian Wa... but again, no one can come CLOSE to this legend. I just gonna say TH kinda remind me of him. (again, just my humble opinion, don't FLAME me! haha) Thanks.

[deca2000]

I am sorry but I am really fed up with this "if he wants it, he will win it" stuff. It is just make it so easy to come up with an execuse. Yeah, he lost, so what? He's still the best player in the world. He just did not want it this time. Face it. With his current form, he will lose against Lin Dan no matter whether he wants it or not.



Taufik is also an amazing player. He has shown that if he wants it, he will win it. He is a very gifted player, but he tends to lose in the mental game and therefore does not use his gifts to their full potential. His backhand and netplay is usually unrivaled (ESPECIALLY that backhand of his...), but again his mental preparation isn't solid.

[s239rt]

can't be MORE agree with you hahaha. yes, FED UP with that.

[black_knight006]

I'm not making the argument that "Taufik is not Taufik".
I'm making the argument that Taufik is an arse that has little respect for Lin Dan who handed him his butt, and little care about the sport and the public who pay to watch the finals.
And no, I don't have to accept him for what he is if I think he's an idiot that has little character.

Careful man, them's fightin' words:o We both know that if both are on their "A" game it can go either way. Depends on which way the wind blows. And we both know that Lin Dan is not exactly the poster boy of badminton. Taufik on the other hand is interesting to watch because you never know what Taufik is going to show up. When he's great, he's AMAZING; if he's having a bad day, then all you little wankers get pissed beyond compare and start complaining to us about it. Taufik will always be unpredictable. If your afraid of spending money on a final that he is in because you don't know if he's going to play well, then don't go.

[black_knight006]

I'm not making the argument that "Taufik is not Taufik".
I'm making the argument that Taufik is an arse that has little respect for Lin Dan who handed him his butt, and little care about the sport and the public who pay to watch the finals.
And no, I don't have to accept him for what he is if I think he's an idiot that has little character.

Careful man, them's fightin' words:o We both know that if both are on their "A" game it can go either way. Depends on which way the wind blows. And we both know that Lin Dan is not exactly the poster boy of badminton. Taufik on the other hand is interesting to watch because you never know what Taufik is going to show up. When he's great, he's AMAZING; if he's having a bad day, then all you little wankers get pissed beyond compare and start complaining to us about it. Taufik will always be unpredictable. If your afraid of spending money on a final that he is in because you don't know if he's going to play well, then don't go.

[chikkubhai]

TH COULD HAVE ATLEAST TRIED A LOT HARDER IN THE SECOND SET TO WIN THE WHOLE MATCH IF HE ALREADY KNEW HES READY TO LOOSE NEXT SET...

Ex. TG and WC did a great job finishing the games in less than half hour with FULL ENERGY, POWER and FINESSE ofcourse.

[black_knight006]

I am sorry but I am really fed up with this "if he wants it, he will win it" stuff. It is just make it so easy to come up with an execuse. Yeah, he lost, so what? He's still the best player in the world. He just did not want it this time. Face it. With his current form, he will lose against Lin Dan no matter whether he wants it or not.

I think it would be more appropriate to say that if he wants it he CAN win it, not that he will win it. Nobody should make an excuse for someone saying that "oh, they just didn't want it bad enough" because its just bull crap. If anyone, not just Taufik, wants something badly they will obviously try harder, so really if anyone wants it badly enough they CAN win it, not necessarily WILL win it. Its just stupid to say that. But enough of that. As for comments on the game, I have to agree that TH simply outplayed Lin Dan. As a tactician TH is superior, as for fitness and speed, that is all that Lin Dan has over him. They both have great smashes, TH owns him at the net, and LIN Dan has better mental stamina. Honestly...I don't think you can say which player is better...they both are amazing players, I have my favourite, others have theirs, but I don't think you can say that any one player is really better. Because at the end of the day, either of them can beat the other.

[Malaysianfan]

For once i thought that Taufik will win for sure as he was outplaying Lin Dan until 15-15 of the 2nd game. Taufik's skills are superior, especially his net play but i find his smashes not as sharp as before. Last time he was known for his sharp and deadly smashes too besides his backhand and net skills. I think Taufik lacks of fitness, stamina, speed and the power he used to have when he was at peak. Maybe his back injury has something to do with his smash qualities now.

Lin Dan is now on top of the others in terms of fitness, focus, speed, fighting spirit, mental toughness and of course his smashes. He deserves to be the world no. 1.

[ctjcad]

For once i thought that Taufik will win for sure as he was outplaying Lin Dan until 15-15 of the 2nd game. Taufik's skills are superior, especially his net play but i find his smashes not as sharp as before. Last time he was known for his sharp and deadly smashes too besides his backhand and net skills. I think Taufik lacks of fitness, stamina, speed and the power he used to have when he was at peak. Maybe his back injury has something to do with his smash qualities now.

Lin Dan is now on top of the others in terms of fitness, focus, speed, fighting spirit, mental toughness and of course his smashes. He deserves to be the world no. 1.
hehe, for the comment "that his smashes not as sharp as before", i think you've just given the reason, as highlighted in bold ;)

[ctjcad]

...i'm curious, what will LinDan's attitude be like the next time Taufik offer a "challenge" to him??...Especially after Taufik "supposedly" said this and that and will look fw and be ready to play LinDan again, after LD won the WC..:rolleyes: :p

Now, i wonder, what kind of attitude will LD have??..And whether LD will have anymore "respect" for Taufik??..I just wonder, how will he approach the match the next time he and Taufik meet again??..Will LD go all out and prove to Taufik, who's the boss?? Or should he just relax and not take Taufik seriously, just because Taufik tanked in the 3rd game??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)

[-wei-]

...i'm curious, what will LinDan's attitude be like the next time Taufik offer a "challenge" to him??...Especially after Taufik "supposedly" said this and that and will look fw and be ready to play LinDan again, after LD won the WC..:rolleyes: :p

Now, i wonder, what kind of attitude will LD have??..And whether LD will have anymore "respect" for Taufik??..I just wonder, how will he approach the match the next time he and Taufik meet again??..Will LD go all out and prove to Taufik, who's the boss?? Or should he just relax and not take Taufik seriously, just because Taufik tanked in the 3rd game??..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)
Lin Dan isn't going to be able to motivate himself to play Taufik anymore.
Think about this...
When Taufik was out of form and knew he couldn't beat Lin Dan he walked out, otherwise why not play on and beat Lin Dan to prove a point.
When Taufik was in form he realised that Lin Dan is playing well and so he still couldn't win, but didn't have any excuses to walk out so he stopped playing as if to say "you can't beat me when I play seriously".
Let's face it, Lin Dan will never be able to beat Taufik, because taufik will not let him.
We will just have to accept that Taufik can walk out or stop playing when he wants as he is his own man.
So there's no point in watching any finals with Taufik in it, unless they let him win.
With all the Lin Dan and LCW finals recently, if LCW were to walk out or stop playing everytime he thought he couldn't win then he might as well not turn up.

[ctjcad]

Lin Dan isn't going to be able to motivate himself to play Taufik anymore.
Think about this...
When Taufik was out of form and knew he couldn't beat Lin Dan he walked out, otherwise why not play on and beat Lin Dan to prove a point.
When Taufik was in form he realised that Lin Dan is playing well and so he still couldn't win, but didn't have any excuses to walk out so he stopped playing as if to say "you can't beat me when I play seriously".
Let's face it, Lin Dan will never be able to beat Taufik, because taufik will not let him.
We will just have to accept that Taufik can walk out or stop playing when he wants as he is his own man.
So there's no point in watching any finals with Taufik in it, unless they let him win.
With all the Lin Dan and LCW finals recently, if LCW were to walk out or stop playing everytime he thought he couldn't win then he might as well not turn up.
hm, i was wondering abt the statement i've highlighted in bold, whether the thought of walking out was a possibility for Taufik in the 3rd set..

BTW, we still haven't heard from Taufik's "unofficial" and one(or two) of his ardent fan(s) in the BC/BF, indra and kemana..After yet another disappointing performance, almost a dud in the 3rd set, this time in the much hyped and anticipated Final..:rolleyes: :p ;) :)

[deca2000]

Hehe, is this statement (if he wants it he CAN win it) applicable to almost everybody? I mean, I receive mails from time to time telling me that I may just win $1,000,000. Though the possibility is very very very low, I can't say that claim is not true, can I? :D


I think it would be more appropriate to say that if he wants it he CAN win it, not that he will win it.

[youngstervan]

I'm a fan of both Lin Dan and Taufik but after watching them both in the final game, I am very DISAPPOINTED AND DISGUSTED at Taufik's arrogant attitude and non-gentleman after the match. He should have accepted his DEFEAT gracefully and be congratulatory to Lin Dan at the end of the match with a gentleman's handshake; instead he didn't!! What a JERK! Too bad for a talent that knows little about FAIR PLAY.

[-wei-]

hm, i was wondering abt the statement i've highlighted in bold, whether the thought of walking out was a possibility for Taufik in the 3rd set..

It wasn't, because there were no bad line calls and Li Yongbo wasn't anywhere to be seen.
TauQUIT the charming young lad, god bless him just didn't feel like playing.

[taneepak]

But I thought the NSS is supposed to be less energy and stamina sapping. The match did not go over an hour. I think TH lost because he was mentally less strong than LD. It was both tragic and disgusting to see how TH played in the 3rd game.

[Hitman71]

I also noticed that TH smashes are are not as sharp. Personally I think that he is in form is just a hype and he might still has or obtain an injury. As you all know Asian games is coming and this few open will be treated as a preparations for the Asian games. I think player will tends to play safe to avoid any injury or make any injury worsen and any weakness or strength of the player will be kept secret.

And yes Lin Dan win because he is the better player, and yes TH give up.

Maybe TH is a player that choose which tournament he wants to give his best. Big event like Thomas cup, Olympic, WC and hopefully Asian games maybe ??


( TH just remind me of the great Jan Ove waldner of Table Tennis, :D :D :D table tennis legend that always has an excuse when he lost ... :D :D )

[King_Smash]

conspiracy theory, may be right at 15:15, Taufik asked for a bigger share of the prize money;):mad::D

[kontrabando]

haha...funny thread...very entertaining...

[KaSoon]

林丹战胜陶菲克不再是什么新闻，令人大跌眼镜的是，决胜局陶菲克只拿到了可怜的3分，这在两个超一流高手的 对决中可并不多见。还有更令人叫绝的，在大比分落后眼看回天无术的情况下，陶菲克竟然破罐子破摔，选择了故 意回球下网这样一种自杀的方式来结束这场梦魇般的比赛。

众所周知，陶菲克是一个天生的叛逆种子，他曾因言语不甚而与印尼羽协闹得不可开交，因话不投机和球迷大打出 手，生活作风也不怎么检点，身边的女友是“旧的不去新的不来”，但这些都不足以抹煞他是一名伟大的羽毛球运 动员，因为性格缺陷和个人问题与职业道德无关。

性格是天生的，竞技赛场上也从来不缺乏叛逆的天才，陶菲克有选择为人处世方式的权利，我们无权妄加评论。但 作为一个职业运动员，不论你名气大小实力优劣，要有最起码的职业素养，因为你不仅是为自己打球，还要对得起 自己的球队、国家和所有的观众。在这一方面，陶菲克着实不敢令人恭维。这一次的自杀求败已经不是什么新鲜事 ，陶菲克早有职业道德败坏的前科。

从2004年11月的新加坡公开赛开始，陶菲克就开始了孜孜不倦的“弃赛”、“罢赛”历程，理由也是堂而皇 之，或为“身体不适”，或为“对裁判不满”。但稍微有点头脑的球迷都能看得出，他这是在逃避失败，欺骗观众 。他的这些个龌龊事，矛头无一例外的对准了林丹。究其原因很简单，陶菲克心里很明白，当时的情况下十之八九 会输给林丹，在世锦赛上羞辱林丹的心理优势就会消失殆尽。与其这样，莫不如主动放弃，丢掉了人格，保全了虚 名。

用《疯狂的石头》中黑皮的一句台词来说：陶菲克，你这纯属道德问题，我都不隙说你。陶菲克屡屡触犯竞技体育 的天条，不但严重地侮辱了观众的尊严，也低估了观众的智商。而反观林丹，在雅典奥运会上，在05年的世锦赛 上，也曾面临被对手剃光头的窘境，但他何曾想过用这种小伎俩来全身而退。不比不知道，一比吓一跳，如果说两 人的球技还不分上下的话，职业道德方面则有天壤之别，林丹天堂，陶菲克地狱。

所以我要说，陶菲克根本就不配做林丹的对手，不是因为球技，而是缘于道德。也千万不要再炒作什么“林陶大战 ”，这是对林丹的一种侮辱。

I got the above comment from a webiste. I could appreciated anyone can translate it in English.

[ksooi]

because he just gave up after 11 in the 3rd set and hit most of the shots into the net. In fact, he intentionally put the shuttle into the net during the championship point.

He was not sporting and show no sportsmanship, period.


hahaha....so anyone that lost has no sportsmanship :confused: :confused: :confused:

[ksooi]

taufik has shown us that he can still beat the top players....it is not easy to beat LCW and he seemed to easily beat him.....even LD has problems beating LCW.......

yes maybe he lost the plot in the 3rd set but that doesn't mean that he has bad sportsmanship.......i definitley have seen players with worst sportsmanship........

on his day, he is still a force to be reckon with ...period.....

who wouldn't want to watch taufik play....he still plays with a certain arrogance and gracefully in the court.....imo, there is no one as talented as him in MS for the moment....

[cooler]

taufik has shown us that he can still beat the top players....it is not easy to beat LCW and he seemed to easily beat him.....even LD has problems beating LCW.......

yes maybe he lost the plot in the 3rd set but that doesn't mean that he has bad sportsmanship.......i definitley have seen players with worst sportsmanship........

on his day, he is still a force to be reckon with ...period.....

who wouldn't want to watch taufik play....he still plays with a certain arrogance and gracefully in the court.....imo, there is no one as talented as him in MS for the moment....
lcw had beaten taufik easily too.

it seem this most talented player can't win and use excuses to back out match and games.

[cooler]

hahaha....so anyone that lost has no sportsmanship :confused: :confused: :confused:
it is the way he lost.
it is the way he congrats the winner after he lost:rolleyes:

[Hugo]

I completely agree with Gillian Clark's comments towards the end of game 3.

Even in the beginning of game 3, Taufik put in his effort and did try, but just could not match LD's heavy injection of pace and speed and not before long the scoreline had reached a difference of 10 points. It was at around 13-3 or so when Taufik just basically gave up.

Really, this was due to LD heavily pressurizing his opponent and especially in a third game when players are already fatigued, thus causing TH to lose his resolve. In the end, LD just "broke" his opponent mentally and took away any winning hopes. Clearly, TH did want to win in JO (or else he would not have gotten past the likes of BCL or LCW), but also clearly LD is not just any "good" player.

So, sure, one can say that TH just gave in the 3rd game, but really that loss of hope and "throw-in of the towel" was caused by LD's superior play towards the end of 2nd game and all of the 3rd. I think LD's facial expression at the end showed that he was dissapointed with the fact that TH did not even put up a last fight in that one-sided deciding game.

[bananaboy]

I had people gave away the game to me before in club playing after they lose by a relatively large margin, and it is just very annoying how people can't even fight until the end.

It's not just an insult to your opponent, but it is more of an insult of yourself.


Question: Why Taufik lost?

Answer: 1. During the 3rd set, his mind was re-living the moments when we won the world championship against Lin Dan in 2005, and not realized that we are in the Japan open 2006.

2. Tried his best to aim for rolling net shots and on the line clear shots, hoping that will win him a few points, but luck was not on his side.

[sickgal]

taufik has shown us that he can still beat the top players....it is not easy to beat LCW and he seemed to easily beat him.....even LD has problems beating LCW.......

yes maybe he lost the plot in the 3rd set but that doesn't mean that he has bad sportsmanship.......i definitley have seen players with worst sportsmanship........

on his day, he is still a force to be reckon with ...period.....

who wouldn't want to watch taufik play....he still plays with a certain arrogance and gracefully in the court.....imo, there is no one as talented as him in MS for the moment....


another pathetic fan who just cant accept the reasons as to why TH lost..ad still comin out with lots of lame reasons to back TH....no hope!

[jermaine]

taufik has shown us that he can still beat the top players....it is not easy to beat LCW and he seemed to easily beat him.....even LD has problems beating LCW.......

yes maybe he lost the plot in the 3rd set but that doesn't mean that he has bad sportsmanship.......i definitley have seen players with worst sportsmanship........

on his day, he is still a force to be reckon with ...period.....

who wouldn't want to watch taufik play....he still plays with a certain arrogance and gracefully in the court.....imo, there is no one as talented as him in MS for the moment....

i think you got it wrong, both players are talented in their own unique ways but i think lin dan is certainly strong in certain areas where even the players are unable to verify or even know lin dan's weakness are,

by watching how he play, we can defintely tell that he doesnt really have any weakness and even making less than 5 unforced mistakes for each match.

that is incredible isnt it? for a 21-point match.

For this match and the Hongkong Open, he really has bad sportmanship and this, you cant really backed up to him no matter what.. we Bc members know what he did, and i must say that taufik's backhand is extraordinary where it comes to his smashes. too bad lin dan didnt give him a chance to use too much of his backhand.

[silvia]

taufik has shown us that he can still beat the top players....it is not easy to beat LCW and he seemed to easily beat him.....even LD has problems beating LCW.......

yes maybe he lost the plot in the 3rd set but that doesn't mean that he has bad sportsmanship.......i definitley have seen players with worst sportsmanship........

on his day, he is still a force to be reckon with ...period.....

who wouldn't want to watch taufik play....he still plays with a certain arrogance and gracefully in the court.....imo, there is no one as talented as him in MS for the moment....

wow...hahhahahhaa...there will be always someone who dont want to accept the reality... just want to live in the past....

[Hitman71]

I watched the match again and from the what I saw, TH give up when it reach 13-3 if I'm not mistaken. Why, don't know.

TH might think that he can win, his style is exciting to watch (to some), he also has a lot of fan and supporters. (Well then again there are also a lot of people hated him and his supporter :rolleyes:).

Here's what really happen TH give up bcoz his back started to give him pain :crying: , he really dissapointed started to think to forfeit the match:rolleyes: , but then it would not be fair to the audiance :o , so he keep on playing up to the point where he just want to get over it quickly:( . :D :D :D Happy now :D

And for Lin Dan hardcore fans, look at him carefully and you will see, that he is not human. He is actually an alien from planet cryptodan and also known as Superdan. :D :D :D

[Hitman71]

Supporters are suppose to give excuses when their team lost, (although they don't really believe it), it is fun and enjoying, which also help the sport popularity. Sadly some poeple just can't accept that ...

[Bobatea]

There is no point in bashing the players. Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat both have their good and bad points. Lin Dan is a consistent, strong player with a strong will to win, but his personality and character are not the best. His arrogance was his weakpoint and caused him to lose in the first round in Athens 2004, and Taufik was just better and more focused during the WC2005 to beat Lin Dan rather easily. It would be better if Lin Dan would show that he wins fair and square like Peter Gade or Lee Chong Wei. No one really likes Lin Dan and no "respect" towards Lin Dan is shown during any of the matches I've seen. Lin Dan always seems to do something to frustrate or offend his opponents. That usually stands out more than his talent and makes people question whether or not he's winning through a "mind game" rather than pure talent.

Taufik is a good player and instead of giving up should have continued to try and beat Lin Dan and "humiliate" him by winning. No one can question Taufik's ability and everyone should know that he has the ability to beat anyone when he wants to. Taufik should know that there are people like Lin Dan in every sport. As a professional player, he should know how to fight and has encountered players like Lin Dan before, but it seems like there's a slightly "deeper" disgust towards Lin Dan. But without him showing his ability to fight, it doesn't look good towards him. I believe he was also a little arrogant during the WC2006 (which should not be the WC in my opinion...) and that caused him to lose against Chen Hong. I believe he knew that he had a good record against Chen Hong, but each encounter can be different and the rally point system really changes things.

I'll bring in Tony and Candra again because they are a great example. They use no "mind game" and always show respect towards their opponents. They are a perfect example of showing you're winning through pure talent. Humble and the best makes them a very lovable, respected pair. If only players like Lin Dan could learn how to be humble and lovable and respected by all from Tony and Candra, and if only Taufik could learn how to never give up from Tony and Candra. Yeah, I see Tony and Candra as gods :o

[Green72(CAN)]

I'm just wondering how exactly Lin Dan annoys or frustrates other players. Is it a psychological thing or are the other players frustrated by his skill or resilience?

[tjl_vanguard]

LD usually does something on court actually sometimes to provoke the opponent especially when the opponent is a strong one.... sometimes he tries to frustates the opponents by just giving them a look full of hatred or something like that.... i've seen it before when he does that actually... but to be honest i am not sure whether that is to lift his fighting spirit or to provoke the opponent.... :)

[sshuang90]

...sometimes he tries to frustates the opponents by just giving them a look full of hatred or something like that.... ...
haha, u r cute......

[woodenRacket]

There is no point in bashing the players. Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat both have their good and bad points. Lin Dan is a consistent, strong player with a strong will to win, but his personality and character are not the best. His arrogance was his weakpoint and caused him to lose in the first round in Athens 2004, and Taufik was just better and more focused during the WC2005 to beat Lin Dan rather easily. It would be better if Lin Dan would show that he wins fair and square like Peter Gade or Lee Chong Wei. No one really likes Lin Dan and no "respect" towards Lin Dan is shown during any of the matches I've seen. Lin Dan always seems to do something to frustrate or offend his opponents. That usually stands out more than his talent and makes people question whether or not he's winning through a "mind game" rather than pure talent.

Taufik is a good player and instead of giving up should have continued to try and beat Lin Dan and "humiliate" him by winning. No one can question Taufik's ability and everyone should know that he has the ability to beat anyone when he wants to. Taufik should know that there are people like Lin Dan in every sport. As a professional player, he should know how to fight and has encountered players like Lin Dan before, but it seems like there's a slightly "deeper" disgust towards Lin Dan. But without him showing his ability to fight, it doesn't look good towards him. I believe he was also a little arrogant during the WC2006 (which should not be the WC in my opinion...) and that caused him to lose against Chen Hong. I believe he knew that he had a good record against Chen Hong, but each encounter can be different and the rally point system really changes things.

I'll bring in Tony and Candra again because they are a great example. They use no "mind game" and always show respect towards their opponents. They are a perfect example of showing you're winning through pure talent. Humble and the best makes them a very lovable, respected pair. If only players like Lin Dan could learn how to be humble and lovable and respected by all from Tony and Candra, and if only Taufik could learn how to never give up from Tony and Candra. Yeah, I see Tony and Candra as gods :o

Are you accusing organizers of HKO, CO, AE, WC or even JO etc whichever games that LD wins of unfair competition? Every linesman and umpire and the audience are on LD's side to help him with kinds of tricks so that LD wins the title?

Any concrete example or evidence for your accusation of "frustrating or offending" his opponent? Or LD is against any IBF rules? Otherwise, LD would be a god to win the games by just offending his opponent.:D

And I am fed up with this kind of cliche that "someone can beat anyone if he wants to". If he can, just simply win the game to prove. :cool: If he cannot, just keep mouth shut.

[tjl_vanguard]

haha, u r cute......
hmmmm.... wad do u mean???? :)

[woodenRacket]

LD usually does something on court actually sometimes to provoke the opponent especially when the opponent is a strong one.... sometimes he tries to frustates the opponents by just giving them a look full of hatred or something like that.... i've seen it before when he does that actually... but to be honest i am not sure whether that is to lift his fighting spirit or to provoke the opponent.... :)

Now I understand where LD's "arrogance" come from. He should give his opponent a tender look full of love and care, as if saying " ok, man, easy, I come here only to entertain you not to beat you. Instead I am begging you to go ahead to beat me and humiliate me as much as you like and I am really looking forward to it." :cool: :cool: :D :D :D

[tjl_vanguard]

Now I understand where LD's "arrogance" come from. He should give his opponent a tender look full of love and care, as if saying " ok, man, easy, I come here only to entertain you not to beat you. Instead I am begging you to go ahead to beat me and humiliate me as much as you like and I am really looking forward to it." :cool: :cool: :D :D :D
hmmm tat isnt exactly wad i meant though.... :) i was trying to say that maybe he is just trying to play a psychological game or something... perhaps the edge he is holding is his mental preparation compared to other players.... sometimes he can come back from the dead which some players cant....

[phaarix]

another pathetic fan who just cant accept the reasons as to why TH lost..ad still comin out with lots of lame reasons to back TH....no hope!

wow...hahhahahhaa...there will be always someone who dont want to accept the reality... just want to live in the past....
People people... it's just his opinion ok? It's incredibly rude to call him pathetic on the basis that he has his own opinion which just happens to differ from yours.

I don't even see what's so outrageous about his post anyway. You might think it's wrong as your opinion differs. But his post is certainly not stupid and has some good points. It's up to you whether you agree or not but please... They're certainly not lame reasons, he is not pathetic, and I don't think he is really backing or "making excuses" for Taufik anyway. He's just making a point.

You're not making yourself sound any more credible by insulting others (I'm more speaking to "sickgal" here than silvia). If you feel you need to express your feelings by calling people "pathetic fans" then take it elsewhere.

[woodenRacket]

hmmmm.... wad do u mean???? :)

probably he means what I mean :D :D

[Bobatea]

Are you accusing organizers of HKO, CO, AE, WC or even JO etc whichever games that LD wins of unfair competition? Every linesman and umpire and the audience are on LD's side to help him with kinds of tricks so that LD wins the title?

Any concrete example or evidence for your accusation of "frustrating or offending" his opponent? Or LD is against any IBF rules? Otherwise, LD would be a god to win the games by just offending his opponent.:D

And I am fed up with this kind of cliche that "someone can beat anyone if he wants to". If he can, just simply win the game to prove. :cool: If he cannot, just keep mouth shut.

Look, I'm not saying that people are favoring Lin Dan or that people use tricks to help Lin Dan win. Lin Dan wins and that's the end of the story. He has an amazing fighting spirit and talent that is shown to me by his ability to dive for shots and recover to get the next shot. He's fast and strong. People know he's probably the strongest, most consistent player now because his results do show it. They acknowledge his skill, as do I, but not many people like him because of his conduct. Concrete examples of him frustrating or offending his opponents are there, recently in his SF game against Peter Gade in the Japan Open. I already stated what happened somewhere in the forum.

Other players have expressed that Taufik can be the best if he wants to. Kenneth Jonassen expressed this, but him and everyone else also knows that he doesn't play well a lot of times. I admire Taufik's talent, but to me he lacks the will to fight a lot of times regardless of the situation he's in. Honestly, it's to the point where I never expect Taufik to win and really don't care anymore. I didn't pay attention to his QF game because I honestly thought he'd lose. I don't blindly support Taufik. I just love his backhand.

[woodenRacket]

Look, I'm not saying that people are favoring Lin Dan or that people use tricks to help Lin Dan win. Lin Dan wins and that's the end of the story. He has an amazing fighting spirit and talent that is shown to me by his ability to dive for shots and recover to get the next shot. He's fast and strong. People know he's probably the strongest, most consistent player now because his results do show it. They acknowledge his skill, as do I, but not many people like him because of his conduct. Concrete examples of him frustrating or offending his opponents are there, recently in his SF game against Peter Gade in the Japan Open. I already stated what happened somewhere in the forum.

Other players have expressed that Taufik can be the best if he wants to. Kenneth Jonassen expressed this, but him and everyone else also knows that he doesn't play well a lot of times. I admire Taufik's talent, but to me he lacks the will to fight a lot of times regardless of the situation he's in. Honestly, it's to the point where I never expect Taufik to win and really don't care anymore. I didn't pay attention to his QF game because I honestly thought he'd lose. I don't blindly support Taufik. I just love his backhand.

Can you elaborate that? I don't know what happened in SF.

Don't get me wrong, I like LD, LCW, PG and other top players, as well as the TH before WC2005. After that TH is going down. I just dislike someone cannot accept the truth that TH is now not as good as before and always exert kinds of funny excuses for him, and always doubt LD's achievement. I agree that TH's net skill is better than LD, but LD is overall better than TH, at least for the present.

Some may consider LD's confidence a bit cocky. But we cannot request all players are of the same type of personality.

[woodenRacket]

Bobatea, I found your thread about LD and PG in SF. Tks.

[IndoBOLEHH]

Can you elaborate that? I don't know what happened in SF.

Don't get me wrong, I like LD, LCW, PG and other top players, as well as the TH before WC2005. After that TH is going down. I just dislike someone cannot accept the truth that TH is now not as good as before and always exert kinds of funny excuses for him, and always doubt LD's achievement. I agree that TH's net skill is better than LD, but LD is overall better than TH, at least for the present.

Some may consider LD's confidence a bit cocky. But we cannot request all players are of the same type of personality.
yeahhh totally agree with you...TH must learn a lot to be number one again..if not he's just a big damn loser..

[zqloy]

There is no point in bashing the players. Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat both have their good and bad points. Lin Dan is a consistent, strong player with a strong will to win, but his personality and character are not the best. His arrogance was his weakpoint and caused him to lose in the first round in Athens 2004, and Taufik was just better and more focused during the WC2005 to beat Lin Dan rather easily. It would be better if Lin Dan would show that he wins fair and square like Peter Gade or Lee Chong Wei. No one really likes Lin Dan and no "respect" towards Lin Dan is shown during any of the matches I've seen. Lin Dan always seems to do something to frustrate or offend his opponents. That usually stands out more than his talent and makes people question whether or not he's winning through a "mind game" rather than pure talent.

Taufik is a good player and instead of giving up should have continued to try and beat Lin Dan and "humiliate" him by winning. No one can question Taufik's ability and everyone should know that he has the ability to beat anyone when he wants to. Taufik should know that there are people like Lin Dan in every sport. As a professional player, he should know how to fight and has encountered players like Lin Dan before, but it seems like there's a slightly "deeper" disgust towards Lin Dan. But without him showing his ability to fight, it doesn't look good towards him. I believe he was also a little arrogant during the WC2006 (which should not be the WC in my opinion...) and that caused him to lose against Chen Hong. I believe he knew that he had a good record against Chen Hong, but each encounter can be different and the rally point system really changes things.

I'll bring in Tony and Candra again because they are a great example. They use no "mind game" and always show respect towards their opponents. They are a perfect example of showing you're winning through pure talent. Humble and the best makes them a very lovable, respected pair. If only players like Lin Dan could learn how to be humble and lovable and respected by all from Tony and Candra, and if only Taufik could learn how to never give up from Tony and Candra. Yeah, I see Tony and Candra as gods :o

Exactly. From wat i heard, relationship btw Taufik, PG and LCW is quite close esp taufik and LCW. Last month Taufik was invited to a world chinese badminton championship held in Malaysia, and straight after that he went to play some badminton wif LCW :p. Wheareas LD solely doesnt hv any good relatioship wif players from other country, perhaps its because the lack of some proper on-court manners? :rolleyes:

[Wildstone]

Exactly. From wat i heard, relationship btw Taufik, PG and LCW is quite close esp taufik and LCW. Last month Taufik was invited to a world chinese badminton championship held in Malaysia, and straight after that he went to play some badminton wif LCW :p. Wheareas LD solely doesnt hv any good relatioship wif players from other country, perhaps its because the lack of some proper on-court manners? :rolleyes:
LD is too proud.

[yy_ling]

Cos he's a MORON!!! Plain and simple

you seem like a bigger one :)

[yy_ling]

he lose means lose la. he just lose to a player better than him in every aspect thats all..
losing doesnt means everything, it is the lesson you learnt from it and im sure both players have learnt something valuable after their match.
it applies to all of us playing badminton, regardless of a match or for fun.

most importantly, you have to learnt something from the experience.

LinDan is not better than him in everything
who knows Taufik can sing better than LinDan? lol
anyway
you cant assume whos better than who if you play games you will have losing experience. Taufik got weird perosnality and he shows it on court, he give LinDan alot of points like present but he managed to have a 11-0 lead against LinDan in one of the matches can find video on youtube search taufik hidayat and you see taufik 11 lindan 0

[zspeed]

LinDan is not better than him in everything
who knows Taufik can sing better than LinDan? lol
anyway
you cant assume whos better than who if you play games you will have losing experience. Taufik got weird perosnality and he shows it on court, he give LinDan alot of points like present but he managed to have a 11-0 lead against LinDan in one of the matches can find video on youtube search taufik hidayat and you see taufik 11 lindan 0
Its the fasting month for muslims so maybe taufik lost because of an empty stomach ;)

[Simp84]

you seem like a bigger one :)
ya totally agree with you

[hara^kazuko]

Its the fasting month for muslims so maybe taufik lost because of an empty stomach ;)

I think athletes might have an exception because Taufik still drinks water during matches. Muslims are not supposed to drink water until buka puasa. Taufik cant play if he is fasting.

[Bobatea]

Yeah, regardless of how amazing Taufik was in the past, he's unfortunately just fallen behind... except that backhand of his :o. I wonder if that's one thing that helped create the relationship between him and Peter Gade :p Regardless of how much I would like Lin Dan to become a better guy, he never really falls behind. He'll lose once in a while, but end up winning the next time against that opponent and win a few more titles along the way.

[jermaine]

Yeah, regardless of how amazing Taufik was in the past, he's unfortunately just fallen behind... except that backhand of his :o. I wonder if that's one thing that helped create the relationship between him and Peter Gade :p Regardless of how much I would like Lin Dan to become a better guy, he never really falls behind. He'll lose once in a while, but end up winning the next time against that opponent and win a few more titles along the way.

that is only the true spirit of NUMBER 1:D
if not, how come he can hold his position for that long..
wonder if lin dan will to do what taufik did, purposely giving it up, i think lin dan would be condemned and suspended by the chinese coach.:p

[cooler]

Exactly. From wat i heard, relationship btw Taufik, PG and LCW is quite close esp taufik and LCW. Last month Taufik was invited to a world chinese badminton championship held in Malaysia, and straight after that he went to play some badminton wif LCW :p. Wheareas LD solely doesnt hv any good relatioship wif players from other country, perhaps its because the lack of some proper on-court manners? :rolleyes:
if u say LD is not a sociable badminton player, i can show you 1000 non sociable badminton players. Friendship form when things click. So If LD is not fren of taufik then it is LD bad manner and not TH bad manner?? TH likes PG and LCW maybe for reasons u don't know:rolleyes:

[ye333]

But indeed it seems LD shows little respect to his opponents on court... Same goes with Cai/Fu... Their behaviors seem to say "hey! you are nothing! I can beat you hands down! See, there you are looking for the birdie on the ground again, hahaha!". There are ppl with killing looks on court, say WCH. But I won't feel offended by his looks, because his looks are pure, showing his total concentration, and without a tiny bit of humiliation there.


if u say LD is not a sociable badminton player, i can show you 1000 non sociable badminton players. Friendship form when things click. So If LD is not fren of taufik then it is LD bad manner and not TH bad manner?? TH likes PG and LCW maybe for reasons u don't know:rolleyes:

[bananaboy]

But indeed it seems LD shows little respect to his opponents on court... Same goes with Cai/Fu... Their behaviors seem to say "hey! you are nothing! I can beat you hands down! See, there you are looking for the birdie on the ground again, hahaha!". There are ppl with killing looks on court, say WCH. But I won't feel offended by his looks, because his looks are pure, showing his total concentration, and without a tiny bit of humiliation there.
How do you consider a look being disrepectful, and a look being total concentration? That's just pure personal perception.

Ever heard of the saying "Don't judge something by appearance"? How do you know what they feel in hearts?

Unless you are a behaviour psychologist, don't make assumption on people's behaviour and accuse someone for being a jerk.

[ctjcad]

..looking back at the JO and Taufik being able to reach the Final, i just wonder now, if his lack of stamina had anything to do with his lost(hehe, it seems like now i'm questioning my own "theory" on why Taufik lost).:rolleyes: :o :p .
Because think abt this, if he indeed lacked stamina/not being in shape, could he possibly reach the Finals and still able to push for a 3rd set??..I know in the JO he played (2) 3-setters prior to him reaching the Final(against BCL and a Japanese guy), yet he was able to overcome them...:rolleyes:

Or maybe, he did lacked/lost his stamina towards the end, esp. once he faced a totally different player as diligent, persistent and most importantly much more fit than him in LinDan?!?!...:rolleyes: :p ;):D

[IndoBOLEHH]

..looking back at the JO and Taufik being able to reach the Final, i just wonder now, if his lack of stamina had anything to do with his lost(hehe, it seems like now i'm questioning my own "theory" on why Taufik lost).:rolleyes: :o :p .
Because think abt this, if he indeed lacked stamina/not being in shape, could he possibly reach the Finals and still able to push for a 3rd set??..I know in the JO he played (2) 3-setters prior to him reaching the Final(against BCL and a Japanese guy), yet he was able to overcome them...:rolleyes:

Or maybe, he did lacked/lost his stamina towards the end, esp. once he faced a totally different player as diligent, persistent and most importantly much more fit than him in LinDan?!?!...:rolleyes: :p ;):D
Lost is Lost....there's no excuse.....TH should accept the fact that LD was better than him in JO

[ctjcad]

Lost is Lost....there's no excuse.....TH should accept the fact that LD was better than him in JO
..hmm, actually LD *has been* better than Taufik ever since the Thomas Cup event...What was Taufik's record, head to head against LinDan, ever since he won against him in last yr's WC??..hehe..:confused: :rolleyes: :p ;)

[Baderz_Jas]

Lost is Lost....there's no excuse.....TH should accept the fact that LD was better than him in JO

IMO, lots of people can accept it (including TH) ;)

[IndoBOLEHH]

IMO, lots of people can accept it (including TH) ;)
hahahahah....but some don't...that's there's WTL in the other thread....

[Malaysianfan]

IMO, lots of people can accept it (including TH) ;)

Yap, i think he can accept it. And all the fans too.I don't think the fans here are looking for excuses, they are just stating that Taufik isn't good as before and find the reasons why he lost.

Here i pasted one small part of the news from Nanyang Sit Poh:
http://www.nanyang.com/index.php?ch=167&pg=784&ac=658949

道菲昨天抵达广州，在酒店大堂等待房间安排时与领队有说有笑，似乎并没有受到输球的影响。

道菲坦言，经过一天的奔波后确实有点累，被问到是否有信心在中国队的主场把林丹“干掉”时，他少有地露出了 腼腆的笑容，不断地给林丹“戴高帽”：“林丹是世界上最优秀的羽毛球选手，我不算什么啦。”

Translation:

Taufik arrived at Guangzhou yesterday. He chatted and shared jokes with the team manager while waiting for the room arrangement in the hotel lounge. It seems that his mood isn't affected by his loss.

Taufik admitted to be a bit tired after one day journey. When he was asked if he had the confidence to beat Lin Dan in Lin Dan's homeground, Taufik smiled
shyly and praised Lin Dan:'' Lin Dan is the best badminton player in the world, i am nothing lar.''

Sorry for my lousy translation. Actually i am bad at translation and hate to translate.

[ctjcad]

Here i pasted one small part of the news from Nanyang Sit Poh:
http://www.nanyang.com/index.php?ch=167&pg=784&ac=658949

Translation:

Taufik arrived at Guangzhou yesterday. He chatted and shared jokes with the team manager while waiting for the room arrangement in the hotel lounge. It seems that his mood isn't affected by his loss.

Taufik admitted to be a bit tired after one day journey. When he was asked if he had the confidence to beat Lin Dan in Lin Dan's homeground, Taufik smiled
shyly and praised Lin Dan:'' Lin Dan is the best badminton player in the world, i am nothing lar.''

Sorry for my lousy translation. Actually i am bad at translation and hate to translate.
..hahaha, another classic Taufik remark...:rolleyes: :p :D ;)
BTW, thanks, Malaysianfan for sharing the report..;)

[viver]

..lOr maybe, he did lacked/lost his stamina towards the end, esp. once he faced a totally different player as diligent, persistent and most importantly much more fit than him in LinDan?!?!...:rolleyes: :p ;):D

I think he just hated this 21x3 system that makes it almost impossible for him to fight back once behind a few points... :D:D:D;) :confused:

[ye333]

Of course that is pure personal perception. But it's this personal perception, not the real intention, that matters. If I play someone with behaviors like LD or Cai/Fu, I would feel uneasy or even angry. But if I play someone with WCH look, I won't feel bad -- it's possible that this guy in fact thinks I am nothing, but it's OK with me as long as he doesn't show this feeling on court.

I am not saying LD is a bad guy. It's just his on court behavior is sometimes annoying, if I imagine I were the guy across the net.


How do you consider a look being disrepectful, and a look being total concentration? That's just pure personal perception.

Ever heard of the saying "Don't judge something by appearance"? How do you know what they feel in hearts?

Unless you are a behaviour psychologist, don't make assumption on people's behaviour and accuse someone for being a jerk.

[bananaboy]

I think he just hated this 21x3 system that makes it almost impossible for him to fight back once behind a few points... :D:D:D;) :confused:
:D:D:D funny... last time I checked, Taufik came back in the first set against LCW from 14-17 to winning 21-17 in Japan Open 2006. :eek::eek::confused:

[ye333]

He would have no energy to even walk around after one game if the JO final is in the 15 pts format. :D

I think he just hated this 21x3 system that makes it almost impossible for him to fight back once behind a few points... :D:D:D;) :confused:

[bananaboy]

I am not saying LD is a bad guy. It's just his on court behavior is sometimes annoying, if I imagine I were the guy across the net.
Aren't you suppose to focus on the shuttle most of the time? You should only look at your opponent's face when you are playing against XXF... and yes, keep your eyes to the face and not lower!!!:p

[cooler]

I think he just hated this 21x3 system that makes it almost impossible for him to fight back once behind a few points... :D:D:D;) :confused:

i bet LD hates the 21x3 too if he was behind, not just TH. The solution is don't get behind. LD gave TH the first game by playing reactively than proactively. TH had the chance to wrap up the 2nd game but he didn't. Why? Coz LD no longer afraid of TH. It was TH persona that hampered LD encounter with TH in the early days.

[IndoBOLEHH]

seems this WTL thread will come to no end...why do some people tend to hate/not accept their fave player is lost ? They act like TH's spokesmen. Did TH himself talk to you guys why he was lost to LD in JO? Everybody can be lost to other players. Because It's just a game. Even the Chinese pride, Cai/Fu lost to reunion pair TG/CD...lost is lost...and win is win...so in my opinion this thread should be closed. if not..I think we should establish a new thread "Why Cai/Fu lost"......:)

[ctjcad]

seems this WTL thread will come to no end...why do some people tend to hate/not accept their fave player is lost ? They act like TH's spokesmen. Did TH himself talk to you guys why he was lost to LD in JO? Everybody can be lost to other players. Because It's just a game. Even the Chinese pride, Cai/Fu lost to reunion pair TG/CD...lost is lost...and win is win...so in my opinion this thread should be closed. if not..I think we should establish a new thread "Why Cai/Fu lost"......:)
...(sigh)hehe, now, now, don't give any other thread ideas...:p ;) :) ..

[Bobatea]

But indeed it seems LD shows little respect to his opponents on court... Same goes with Cai/Fu... Their behaviors seem to say "hey! you are nothing! I can beat you hands down! See, there you are looking for the birdie on the ground again, hahaha!". There are ppl with killing looks on court, say WCH. But I won't feel offended by his looks, because his looks are pure, showing his total concentration, and without a tiny bit of humiliation there.

Yeah, I've never shown Lin Dan really show any respect. The little respect he shows is usually for a shot that rolled over the net, but then most people don't seem to accept it after a while because of something else. But Cai/Fu are one of the few Chinese people I like. Granted they do seem to lack respect, and during the Japan Open QF against the MAL pair I think Fu was fed up with the Malaysian fans(there were no Chinese supporters that I could hear) and decided to do a trick shot return that left the MAL pair with nothing to do and Fu just pointed up into the air and looked at the MAL fans with a look of, "See that?". But watching their matches at the Copenhagen Masters 2005 against INA and Tony and Howard, they all seemed to have fun and joke around. Gao Ling is also a great player to watch. Always laughing and smiling. That's how badminton should be played :)

[cooler]

Always laughing and smiling. That's how badminton should be played :)
that's how the great susi susanti does it. She smiles at her opponents and throw them out whack.:D

[cooler]

I hope TH use the JO and china open as opportunities to regain his form for the upcoming asian game that he said he is really aiming for.

[sshuang90]

that's how the great susi susanti does it. She smiles at her opponents and throw them out whack.:D
Actually Susi was adept at irritating her oppenents and she even admitted she enjoyed it.

[zqloy]

How do you consider a look being disrepectful, and a look being total concentration? That's just pure personal perception.

Ever heard of the saying "Don't judge something by appearance"? How do you know what they feel in hearts?

Unless you are a behaviour psychologist, don't make assumption on people's behaviour and accuse someone for being a jerk.
Dude, i dont think u r gettin the point there. Most of us here is not judging on how does LD looks on court, but wat he does to irritate his opponents. He refuse changing of shuttles, complaining bout his opponents to umpire, purposely hitting the shuttle to the back for PG to pick up.... etc.

[woodenRacket]

Someting might be interesting for those who wants to know more of LD. Unfortunately it is in Chinese, would appreciate if anyone can tranlate the part in bold. Tks.

From the report, I can see at least LD has true sportsmanship, respect his opponents, and do not brag.


林丹:故意失误为熟悉场地 再胜陶菲克誓言斩钉截铁
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http://sports.sina.com.cn 2006年10月18日10:29 广州日报大洋网

　　　　“你觉得自己能在广州再次击败陶菲克吗？”“能！”作为本届中国羽毛球公开赛男单头号种子，林丹在 男单首轮顺利过关后斩钉截铁地告诉记者。

　　故意失误以熟悉场地
　　林丹在第1轮的对手是日本队的中西洋介，21比17、21比15，林丹以2比0轻取对手，顺利晋级第2 轮。这场较量并没有被安排在中心赛场，不过现场球迷都主动挪到离林丹最近的观众席上，近距离地观看这场本来 毫无悬念的比赛。林丹尽管实力比对手高出一大截，但他始终没有拉开比分，出界落网这种失误也时而出现。无惊 无险地击败对手后，林丹步出赛场，而中国男队主教练钟波追了出来，他叮嘱林丹回到酒店后一定要找个安静的地 方加练力量。
　　说起比赛中出现的失误，林丹透露，其实他是带着一点“故意”的成分，因为他想趁着开赛之初适应一下场地 。“赛场上的灯光等条件都还可以，就是地面有点滑。”前天晚上到达广州后，林丹只在昨天早上7时才第一次到 天河体育馆作适应性训练。他告诉记者，由于场地有点滑，双打主力蔡赟也不慎摔了一跤。“我担心场地会对自己 的发挥造成一定的影响，如果因为摔跤受伤而无缘亚运会或者其他大赛的话，那就有些可惜了。”除了这一点瑕疵 外，林丹对这个已经在广州举办了5年的公开赛感到很亲切：“广州的球迷很热情，对我也很好，我也很希望能够 在这里夺得男单冠军。”
　　希望成绩超过陶菲克
　　林丹与印尼名将陶菲克刚在日本公开赛决赛中相遇，结果林丹以2比1力克对手。陶菲克在抵达广州后罕见地 公开称赞林丹，他在昨天的比赛中也顺利挺进第2轮。陶菲克依然心情大好，但在被记者问到他是否能够在中国公 开赛中“复仇”时，他笑着摇头：“我不知道。”另一边，林丹则信心十足，当记者询问他认为自己能否再次击败 陶菲克时，他坚毅地点了点头：“能！”
　　说起日本公开赛决赛，林丹认为陶菲克在决胜局中放弃比赛了，否则以两人的水平，不会打出21比3这样悬 殊的比分。“我记得半场休息时我是以11比2领先的，陶菲克应该也知道，在21分制下如果落后10分，基本 上就是无法挽回的，而我自己发挥得比较好，失误很少，所以最后赢得了比赛。”林丹表示，每个人都有不同的想 法，所以他也不了解陶菲克当时是抱着何种心态放弃了那场决赛。至于他自己，则是属于不顾一切去争取胜利的人 ，所以他绝对不会因为大比分落后而主动选择放弃。
　　尽管已经在去年的美国世锦赛后连续3次击败陶菲克，但谦虚的林丹还是认为这不能说明自己的实力已经在陶 菲克之上。“我和他都很年轻，以后交锋的机会多的是，我不会因为个别比赛的胜利就去判别谁更优秀。”林丹透 露，他现在最看重的是在成绩上超越陶菲克，而不是在获胜次数上，“他现在拥有着奥运会冠军和世锦赛冠军两个 重要的头衔，而我只有世锦赛和世界杯两个冠军，我还缺少一个分量最重的奥运会冠军，所以我正在努力地争取在 2008年北京奥运会上实现夺冠的目标。”
　　亚运会上有三大对手
　　从马德里世锦赛归来，到出征上周的日本公开赛，林丹粗略数了数，期间只有10来天，他接下来还要征战益 阳世界杯。如此频繁的参赛让他有点喘不过气来：“我会有选择性地放弃一些比赛，集中精力备战亚运会。”林丹 透露，他很可能不参加下月初的丹麦公开赛，留在国内更好地调整状态。
　　林丹把亚运会看作今年下半年最重要的比赛，他觉得到时候主要的对手包括队友鲍春来、马来西亚队的头号男 单李宗伟与印尼名将陶菲克。“(对手)主要就是他们3个吧，亚运会也不容易打。”在本届中国公开赛上，除了 李宗伟外，其余两名主要对手都报名参赛，因此，林丹将把这个比赛看作亚运会的热身，他也预言，男单的比赛将 因为激烈的竞争而异常精彩。“可能观众们看到丹麦队的皮特·盖德、马来西亚队的李宗伟和韩国队的李铉一都没 有参赛，会觉得今年的比赛不会很精彩，其实我认为不是这样的，因为目前中国队其他男单选手进步得很快，他们 的挑战给我们造成了一定的压力，我们之间的对决也会很激烈。”

Basically,
1, LD is confident that he can defeat TH again in CO;
2, LD thinks in JO, TH gives it up in the rubber set when he is leading 11:2, and he has no idea why TH is doing like that. He understands that people has different philosophy; as for him, he will never stop fighting even if falling far behind;
3, Although he beats TH 3 times consecutively after WC2005, LD is still modest to say that these victories do not mean he is better than TH. He wishes to win more titles especially the Olympics Gold to exceed TH in achievements, not just how many times he beats TH.
4, Three main opponents for him in Doha this year would be: BCL, LCW and TH.

[ctjcad]

..here's another article...basically, the reason has been mentioned (gud knows how many)numerous times...:rolleyes::p
so, indra, babonimut or anyone else, mind doing the honor of doing the translation for us all...thanks in advance-;):):cool:
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http://www.badminton-indonesia.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1678&Itemid=2

Sutiyoso: Saatnya Taufik Berubah
Written by Antara News
Wednesday, 18 October 2006
"...titik lemahnya dia itu ada di fisik..."

Menyusul kegagalan pemain tunggal putra Indonesia Taufik Hidayat dalam turnamen Jepang Terbuka, Ketua Umum PB PBSI, Sutiyoso, menyatakan saatnya pemain andalan Indonesia itu berubah.

Dalam sebuah acara yang berlangsung di Jakarta, Selasa malam, Sutiyoso menyatakan perubahan itu harus dilakukan melalui pembenahan kemampuan fisik yang memang selama ini selalu menjadi masalah utama Taufik Hidayat.

"Saya tahu persis titik lemahnya dia itu ada di fisik. Kenapa?, karena kalau main hingga tiga set tidak pernah menang. Dia harus segera sadar kelemahan itu," katanya.

Dalam partai final Jepang terbuka yang berlangsung Minggu (15/10) Taufik Hidayat kembali menyerah dari andalan China, Lin Dan, dalam pertarungan tiga set 16-21 21-16 21-3.

Skor pada set ketiga dimana Taufik tertinggal jauh juga menjadi perhatian pria yang juga menjabat sebagai Gubernur DKI Jakarta tersebut.

"Taufik sebenarnya unggul teknik, namun kalau sudah terkait fisik kan susah. Terbukti dari set penentuan dia tertinggal sedemikian jauh," tutur Sutiyoso.

Sementara tentang pembenahan untuk sektor tunggal putra, PB PBSI telah melakukan pergantian pelatih yang menangani sejumlah pemain.

"Untuk pelatih, Joko Supriyanto akan saya geser dan diganti oleh Hendrawan dan akan saya suruh melatih Simon dan Taufik, karena dua pemain itu belum ada kemajuan," tutur Sutiyoso.

Pada Jepang terbuka, Indonesia hanya berhasil meraih gelar melalui ganda campuran Flandy Limpele/Vita Marissa yang mengalahkan rekan senegaranya Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir.

Dominasi China ditunjukkan dengan memenangi tunggal putra, tunggal putri dan ganda putri. Sementara ganda putera dimenangi oleh pasangan mantan pemain Indonesia Candra Wijaya/Tony Gunawan. (*)

[Monster]

Consider this...

1. LYB threatened to break LCW's legs in the WBC, Madrid. If LD had lost, what do you think LYB will do to him? Poverty is ubiquitous in China, it's a fact. With more than a billion people, it is bound to have big number of exceptional athletes earning their living mainly from competitions/tourneys.

2. School gals love TH back in his hometown. He's earned enough from the prize monies and has probably invested in some businesses back home. He is still determined to win as much as possible from the JO and so he fought all his way to the Finals. But the question.....

....why TH lost? In fact, the question could have been "Why LD lost?" Basically, these two exceptional players chat online over MSN and stay in touch with each other. Hey.. have you read the testimonials LD wrote for TH on friendster? Towards the end, both of them are unsure who will really and truly win. They think both are equally good but luck and physical condition at a particular time decide who actually will win. When they have come to such a point in their careers, there's really no point fighting each other anymore. They know they are the best and they are equal. So what else can these two best buddies concentrate on when win or lose is nothing anymore? Well.......

You know how Chinese are - they are good entrepreneurs! One rainy night, while they were online chatting, LD proposed to TH to make quick bucks out from matches. He said to TH, "I'm now the star in Badminton and you've gone a little quiet these days. Let's make this final be my game and we start to commercialise on my name by making t-shirts, sports bags, mugs, caps, pens, fullscap papers, umbrellas, Lin Dan Fried Rice, what have you." Oh...LD also didn't want his head to be smashed by LYB. Attracted to the business proposal, TH instantly agreed.

Is this a possible theory?

[woodenRacket]

Consider this...

1. LYB threatened to break LCW's legs in the WBC, Madrid. If LD had lost, what do you think LYB will do to him? Poverty is ubiquitous in China, it's a fact. With more than a billion people, it is bound to have big number of exceptional athletes earning their living mainly from competitions/tourneys.

2. School gals love TH back in his hometown. He's earned enough from the prize monies and has probably invested in some businesses back home. He is still determined to win as much as possible from the JO and so he fought all his way to the Finals. But the question.....

....why TH lost? In fact, the question could have been "Why LD lost?" Basically, these two exceptional players chat online over MSN and stay in touch with each other. Hey.. have you read the testimonials LD wrote for TH on friendster? Towards the end, both of them are unsure who will really and truly win. They think both are equally good but luck and physical condition at a particular time decide who actually will win. When they have come to such a point in their careers, there's really no point fighting each other anymore. They know they are the best and they are equal. So what else can these two best buddies concentrate on when win or lose is nothing anymore? Well.......

You know how Chinese are - they are good entrepreneurs! One rainy night, while they were online chatting, LD proposed to TH to make quick bucks out from matches. He said to TH, "I'm now the star in Badminton and you've gone a little quiet these days. Let's make this final be my game and we start to commercialise on my name by making t-shirts, sports bags, mugs, caps, pens, fullscap papers, umbrellas, Lin Dan Fried Rice, what have you." Oh...LD also didn't want his head to be smashed by LYB. Attracted to the business proposal, TH instantly agreed.

Is this a possible theory?

This is the most fantastic theory I've read so far :eek: , although I admire your rich imagination. ;)

Why not make a novel out of it and become best seller? :D

[Monster]

woodenracket: you sound like an entrepreneur too.. what's your msn? let's beat Dan Brown ! jk! :)

Btw, reading back what I wrote really sounds like a synopsis of a fantastic bestseller at the back of the book. Not forgetting Woodenracket's first testimony.

[ctjcad]

..hehehe, just noticed the revised thread header....Looks like we'll be expecting another "W T L?" thread for the China Open..hehehe:rolleyes: :p :) :D ;)

[Hitman71]

Sutiyoso: Saatnya Taufik Berubah
Written by Antara News
Wednesday, 18 October 2006
"...titik lemahnya dia itu ada di fisik..."


"Saya tahu persis titik lemahnya dia itu ada di fisik. Kenapa?, karena kalau main hingga tiga set tidak pernah menang. Dia harus segera sadar kelemahan itu," katanya.

"I know the point of weakness is in its physical ability, why?, because if the game goes into 3 sets he never wins. He need to realise that weakness, " Said Sutiyoso

(If im not mistaken TH did win the indo open beating Chen Yu in 3 sets, where he lost the 1st set. Great match btw)


"Untuk pelatih, Joko Supriyanto akan saya geser dan diganti oleh Hendrawan dan akan saya suruh melatih Simon dan Taufik, karena dua pemain itu belum ada kemajuan," tutur Sutiyoso.

" For training, Joko Supriyanto will be replaced by Hendrawan and he will train Simon and Taufik, because both player have no improvement," Said Sutiyoso.


The rest of the article is not really important I think.

[taufik-ist]

..hehehe, just noticed the revised thread header....Looks like we'll be expecting another "W T L?" thread for the China Open..hehehe:rolleyes: :p :) :D ;)

the theread will be "why TH win in CO" :D

[hara^kazuko]

the theread will be "why TH win in CO" :D

I hope so... sad... poor performances by Malaysians, I hope Taufik will deliver something different in China Open

[Baderz_Jas]

the theread will be "why TH win in CO" :D

there wouldn't be an explanation for why he won... :D ;) :D

[ctjcad]

Sutiyoso: Saatnya Taufik Berubah
Written by Antara News
Wednesday, 18 October 2006
"...titik lemahnya dia itu ada di fisik..."


"Saya tahu persis titik lemahnya dia itu ada di fisik. Kenapa?, karena kalau main hingga tiga set tidak pernah menang. Dia harus segera sadar kelemahan itu," katanya.

"I know the point of weakness is in its physical ability, why?, because if the game goes into 3 sets he never wins. He need to realise that weakness, " Said Sutiyoso

(If im not mistaken TH did win the indo open beating Chen Yu in 3 sets, where he lost the 1st set. Great match btw)


"Untuk pelatih, Joko Supriyanto akan saya geser dan diganti oleh Hendrawan dan akan saya suruh melatih Simon dan Taufik, karena dua pemain itu belum ada kemajuan," tutur Sutiyoso.

" For training, Joko Supriyanto will be replaced by Hendrawan and he will train Simon and Taufik, because both player have no improvement," Said Sutiyoso.


The rest of the article is not really important I think.
Hitman71, thanks for doing the translation, eventhough partially(important or unimportant)..;) :cool:
**BTW, it's interesting to read that Sutiyoso mentioned "Taufik as (one of the players) who hasn't shown any improvement(s)"..:rolleyes:;):D

[woodenRacket]

There is an interview recently and could be of some interest in knowing more of LD and Taufik.

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2006-10-19/18482517079.shtml

Part concerning Taufik:

新体：提到林丹的时候，必定会提到陶菲克，您有没有想过如果职业生涯中没有这样的一个对手的话，会是什么样 子的？
　　林丹：一个运动员优秀的价值就体现在遇见不同困难和强劲的对手的时候，都能够闯过去。应该说，正因为有 了这些才有了现在的林丹、现在的我。所以有这么多的球迷们也才会喜欢我支持我。所以也不能够没有他们，没有 他们，就不能体现我的价值。
　　新体：你私下和陶菲克的关系怎么样？见面呢？
　　林丹：我们见面是不说话的，从来都不说。
　　新体：你感觉他这个人怎么样？
　　林丹：因为我觉得每个人的性格和表达方式不一样，作为陶菲克来说，他认为自己是世锦赛和奥运会的双料冠 军，所以，他很想向世人证明自己是世界上羽毛球男单最好的选手。但是，我这几年的表现来说，包括世界排名第 一以及不久前取得世锦赛的冠军，所以他可能觉得目前两人在竞争世界第一，所以无论比赛还是赛前的新闻发布会 ，他总是会想去强调自己是最强的这一点，强调自己更好一些。

If you guys don't mind my poor translation:

Sina: The name of Taufik will always be mentioned whenever speaking of LD. Do you ever imagine what will be if there is no such opponent in your career?
LD: The true value of a good player lies in the capability to overcome kinds of difficulties and strong opponents. I should say that I could not be the LD today without them. That’s why I have the favor and support from a lot of fans. My value would be invisible without them (strong opponents).

Sina: Personal relationship with Taufik? When you meet?
LD: We never chat when we meet.

Sina: what do you think of Taufik?
LD: Different people have different personalities and way of expressions. Thinking himself to be WC and OG gold medalist, Taufik really wants to demonstrate he is the best MS player in the world. Yet seeing my achievements in the past few years including ranking one and the recent WC champion, he might feel at present it is two of us that are competing for the world number one. That’s why he always wants to emphasize that he is the best in the world and better (than me) either in the match or the press conference.

[other]

Did he run out of gas again?:o

[suetyan]

i think the answer is same with why XXF will lost ? :D

[xt6666]

NOOOOOOOO! Please stop these threads...

[Alaric]

Can't Taufik lose Occasionally without having to have a big discussion about it?

He's not the only good player in the world.

In any sport the best teams or players lose from time to time, and sometimes it's just because their opponent plays well.

Well done Chen Jin. :)

[modious]

these threads are getting a little outta hand!

[badMania]

Yawn...can you guys be a little bit creative?

[Alaric]

these threads are getting a little outta hand!

A little????:confused:

It seems every day there is a new one!

[Bbn]

Lets playback old record :

1) He was not at his best

2) He was not sufficiently motivated

3) He is on the road to recovery

4) He has lost his power game because of some injury

5) He has grown fatter since world champs because he wants to look bigger to frighten his opponents or deceive them into underestimating him.

6) He has beaten CJ b4 so no big deal.

7) If CJ wants to win so badly he should be allowed to win.

[other]

heh....at least this thread is more tongue in cheek rather than aimed at taufik-bashing or finding excuses for him. Notice the title ;)

PS well done Chen Jin, played maturely to finish off the match

[other]

A little????:confused:

It seems every day there is a new one!

He needs to stop losing and go on 25+ match winning streaks, then we will have "why did taufik win"....

[jermaine]

He needs to stop losing and go on 25+ match winning streaks, then we will have "why did taufik win"....

taufik lost because he lost, as said, losing isnt everything, i thought it was already stated that his main motive was to gain enough ranking points???

so why keep bothering to question "why did taufik lost"???

why dont you say, "how did Chen Jin won ?"
or when will Lin Dan ever lose?

[Baderz_Jas]

CJ just played better than TH :D :D :D

[Robbo77]

I have enjoyed watching Taufik, but seeing him lose the way he did at the Japan Open was very disappointing. Whether he lost his stamina, lost his concentration, lost his mental stability, he had no care about the fans watching the match at all.

Sure his ego took a bruising that Lin Dan has beaten him again, but that was no way to lose the last set by giving up so obviously. The first 2 sets were great to watch and he should have showed some spirit and fought to the end whether or not he had the energy to rally with Lin Dan or not.

I wish Xia Xuanze was back as no.1 - all these new players are arrogant, immature, have no obligation to the fans and basically play in their own little world. They need to learn sportsmanship and humility to deserve our respect, or in badminton history they will be remembered as players with talent but no personality or charisma.

[other]

taufik lost because he lost, as said, losing isnt everything, i thought it was already stated that his main motive was to gain enough ranking points???

so why keep bothering to question "why did taufik lost"???

why dont you say, "how did Chen Jin won ?"
or when will Lin Dan ever lose?

"tongue in cheek"....nevermind:)

i have to say you can't say "he lost because he lost"....i highly doubt that's how his coach will debrief him after any match.

[Darth Andrianus]

Oh, for goodness' sake, why do we keep having these WTL threads? Stop this, people, just the thought of people putting these up is driving me nuts! Let's just set up a special website (www.whytaufiklost.com) and then you can say all you want over there.

[other]

This is a badminton forum, if you don't want to take part in this thread, then don't reply to it :confused:

i suppose saying that the thread is stupid is a way of taking part tho :D

anyway, not to go off topic too much...

but why were the first 2 sets so one sided? was taufik starting very slowly?

[xt6666]

Oh, for goodness' sake, why do we keep having these WTL threads? Stop this, people, just the thought of people putting these up is driving me nuts! Let's just set up a special website (www.whytaufiklost.com (http://www.whytaufiklost.com)) and then you can say all you want over there.

:D

What a great idea!
Yes please someone should do this! And do it fast!
Please set up such u website and move all the WTL threads to this site...

[Baderz_Jas]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Andrianus
Oh, for goodness' sake, why do we keep having these WTL threads? Stop this, people, just the thought of people putting these up is driving me nuts! Let's just set up a special website (www.whytaufiklost.com (http://www.whytaufiklost.com/)) and then you can say all you want over there.



well :cool: did you create that? ;) :confused:

[sunzhi]

Lets playback old record :

5) He has grown fatter since world champs because he wants to look bigger to frighten his opponents or deceive them into underestimating him.


this the best :D :D :D :D

seriously, do we have to start this kinda thread each time TH lose? if the purpose is to discuss the match per se thn i guess it aint that bad, but if it's to look for 'reason/s' (read excuse/s)....:rolleyes: hmmm.. yawn... my 2 cts...

[sunzhi]

Oh, for goodness' sake, why do we keep having these WTL threads? Stop this, people, just the thought of people putting these up is driving me nuts! Let's just set up a special website (www.whytaufiklost.com) and then you can say all you want over there.

silly me.. i actually click that link.. :o :D

[DinkAlot]

Taufik lost because Chen Jin beat him to 21 points in the 3rd set. It's as simple as that. :)

[DinkAlot]

silly me.. i actually click that link.. :o :D

I did too. I was hoping to find some good stuff. :p

[Shiryu]

cool... instead of bashing Taufik, we are bashing the thread. :D

seriously, if you don't want to see these threads.. just don't reply them. it will go away..... quietly....:p

[xt6666]

cool... instead of bashing Taufik, we are bashing the thread. :D

seriously, if you don't want to see these threads.. just don't reply them. it will go away..... quietly....:p


No, they don't

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH!

[sunzhi]

cool... instead of bashing Taufik, we are bashing the thread. :D

seriously, if you don't want to see these threads.. just don't reply them. it will go away..... quietly....:p


guilty as charged.. i rest my case.. peace..... :p

[Simp84]

I think Taufik's smash is no longer deadly.. anybody agree?:D

[hcpoirot]

Lets playback old record :



6) He has beaten CJ b4 so no big deal.



I wonder when and where TH play against CJ before China Open 2006?

According to BWF site, this is their first meeting.

[Simp84]

I wonder when and where TH play against CJ before China Open 2006?

According to BWF site, this is their first meeting.
I think people got mistaken that by Gong WeiJie in China open 2004..
I also thought he beaten him before.. but apparently it was Gong

[hcpoirot]

For TH die hard fans, Taufil lost cause:

1. He is not fit.

2. He had small injury.

3. China Open is not prestigious event so he did notcare if he lost or win.

4. So TH will win in Asian Games.

5. 100000000000000000000000000000000 other lame excuses. :D

The bottom line is CJ play better than TH today. And of course after LD beat him 3 times this year, LD had probably gave CJ all kind of tips of how to beat TH.

And if TH didn't do something like train more seriously when there is no tournamnets, I boldly predict, the "WHY TH LOST" thread will be much more plenty in the future. :D

[cooler]

cctv5 didnt show badminton last nite and i didnt watch it. From my guess, WTL is because CJ is a better all around player, he beat TH the old fashion way...hard work. TH reliance on tight nets and deception are too well known to all MS players now, TH opponents have adapted and change. One also has to take into account CJ is still improving, while TH had already peaked. TH is now trying to recapture his old peak.

This outcome point to many other things as else. One of that is, if this baby LD, i mean CJ :D, can beat TH, it goes to show HOW GOOD THE REAL LIN DAN really is. So LD beating TH at JO is no fluke. By 2008, CJ would as good as LD in his own way.

[cooler]

where is yannie and her comments about CJ?:)

[cooler]

One other thing i notice that the new generaton players have that TH DOESN'T HAVE......diving skill. LD, CJ,BCL, LCW, CH, all have it but TH dive like a seal, flat on his stomach and can't get up. Yes, Th can retrieve side smashes if he is on his 2 feet but when he dive for the wider smashes, he dives like a seal. I saw the same dive of TH back in 2002?? playing XZX, no change.

[Simp84]

One other thing i notice that the new generaton players have that TH DOESN'T HAVE......diving skill. LD, CJ,BCL, LCW, CH, all have it but TH dive like a seal, flat on his stomach and can't get up. Yes, Th can retrieve side smashes if he is on his 2 feet but when he dive for the wider smashes, he dives like a seal. I saw the same dive of TH back in 2002?? playing XZX, no change.
is diving like a seal good thing or a bad thing? LOL:D

[cooler]

is diving like a seal good thing or a bad thing? LOL:D it's a good thing if badminton is play underwater:p

[Hitman71]

I did not watched the match, so actually I was hoping to read some kind of review of the match in this thread by someone/somebody that watched it. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. But sad indeed, I would have to agree if anyone who already bored or don't have anything better to post why bother, I really don't understand. :confused: :confused:

Its like someone who doesnt like a food, but keep eating that food and keep complaining about it, although that person can always eat something else.

Sorry if I hurt anyone fellings .. :(

Please someone just give the review of the match ... :D

[DinkAlot]

I think Taufik's smash is no longer deadly.. anybody agree?:D

Disagree.

I'm pretty sure I could not return many of Taufik's smashes. But some more training with Mona, who knows? :p

[ctjcad]

I have enjoyed watching Taufik, but seeing him lose the way he did at the Japan Open was very disappointing. Whether he lost his stamina, lost his concentration, lost his mental stability, he had no care about the fans watching the match at all.

Sure his ego took a bruising that Lin Dan has beaten him again, but that was no way to lose the last set by giving up so obviously. The first 2 sets were great to watch and he should have showed some spirit and fought to the end whether or not he had the energy to rally with Lin Dan or not.

I wish Xia Xuanze was back as no.1 - all these new players are arrogant, immature, have no obligation to the fans and basically play in their own little world. They need to learn sportsmanship and humility to deserve our respect, or in badminton history they will be remembered as players with talent but no personality or charisma.
..hmm, IMO, i think his "spirit" was still there and he "tried to fight"/compete, but like a saying goes : "The mind is willing, but the body is weak"...which points to??....I think that's simply what he was up against..;)

[ctjcad]

Let's just set up a special website (www.whytaufiklost.com) and then you can say all you want over there.
..this is a good one....and i clicked on that site too...haha:rolleyes: :p ;) :) :D ...

[Syaoran_Style]

Oh my god .. another boring thread .. T_T
Please Please stop it ! he lost because it happens to everybody ! Losing a match is just NORMAL !

[weeyet]

May i know what does "WTL" stand for......

[ctjcad]

May i know what does "WTL" stand for......
hehe, it's just an "acronym"/abbreviation and there should be a question mark @ the end...and you can look up on the thread's topic heading(should give you some clues)...;) :p :D

[virusvoodoo]

Where is Indra again? I like to hear his lame excuses for why Taufik Hidayat lost!

He went into hiding last time when Taufik lost in the World Championships to Chen Hong.

Taufik cannot go on and face reality without lame excuses from fans like you. :eek:

[cindie]

Where is Indra again? I like to hear his lame excuses for why Taufik Hidayat lost!

He went into hiding last time when Taufik lost in the World Championships to Chen Hong.

Taufik cannot go on and face reality without lame excuses from fans like you. :eek:

Haha.. I was looking for Indra too. :D :p ;) :D

[zqloy]

cctv5 didnt show badminton last nite and i didnt watch it. From my guess, WTL is because CJ is a better all around player, he beat TH the old fashion way...hard work. TH reliance on tight nets and deception are too well known to all MS players now, TH opponents have adapted and change. One also has to take into account CJ is still improving, while TH had already peaked. TH is now trying to recapture his old peak.

This outcome point to many other things as else. One of that is, if this baby LD, i mean CJ :D, can beat TH, it goes to show HOW GOOD THE REAL LIN DAN really is. So LD beating TH at JO is no fluke. By 2008, CJ would as good as LD in his own way.

He is no "baby LD" LOL! And wat u sayin about Lin is abit exaggerating. CJ is definitely capable of beating ANYONE already including LD, but of course if thats allow by the LYB. He is a more all rounded player than LD is when he is still the same age as CJ is now.

[smashko]

I wonder why we have to ask W T L each time TH loses. In fact TH only won the IO this year, got beaten by other players sooner or later in all the other tourneys he participated. I can not remember how many times that was.
TH is just one of the top players like LCW, PG, CH, BCL etc. They have almost equal chance of beating each other when they meet. CJ seems to be joining this group too. And don't forget there is LD who has a clear edge over all the them. Whether you like it or not, LD has won more than 5 IBF grand prix titles every year since 3 years, that is more than more than half all the MS titles. Statistically this means LD alone has more chance of winning any title than all the rest of the MS players combined. TH in his best days had never achieved such a dominance.
It is no longer a surprise to see TH lose. Each time he has to pass other top players, and even if he does, there is LD standing in his way. He has lost to LD 3 times this year alone.
Instead of asking the boring question W T L, we should ask "Why TH won this time?" if he does manages to win a title.

[bananaboy]

Chen Jin's round the head shots were done very nicely today... and more impressive is the fact that he was able to read TH's game very well. A few times in the 3rd game, instead of doing a clear to TH's backhand, he crosscourt cleared right above TH's head and surprised TH(probably thinking about showing off his backhand smash at that moment)... then CJ found himself an opening for attack again. Also CJ's moment toward his forehand back corner was very smooth, and the stroke afterward was good as well... and not forget his drives are really good, kinda surprise to see so many drive shots in a singles game.

[phaarix]

Taufik's just a player like anyone else - a good player yes, but by no means invincible. Not every player can win every tournament, only one out of like 64 or 32 can win. So if there was a thread dedicated to why each of these players lost we'd have what... like 63 threads flooding the forum :rolleyes:? Anyway I think we've had more than enough WTL threads. Any more and it's just getting ridiculous (well more so than it already is).

[Cheung]

Merged the WTL threads for these two tournaments.

[byelnats]

Honestly, this is a stupid thread. TH is a genius, no doubt about that, but he is not unbeatable. Name a single badminton player in the world that has never lost before. Even legendary players such as Rudy Hartono or Park Joo Bong have tasted defeat before. There is no such thing as invincible in any sports. Anyone or any team will taste defeat sooner or later. The way I see it, it is a pointless discussion.

We know that TH was doing his best in China. Both him and Chen Jin played optimally. He lost without losing his dignity and he tried his best. That's all that matter.

[ctjcad]

Chen Jin's round the head shots were done very nicely today... and more impressive is the fact that he was able to read TH's game very well. A few times in the 3rd game, instead of doing a clear to TH's backhand, he crosscourt cleared right above TH's head and surprised TH(probably thinking about showing off his backhand smash at that moment)... then CJ found himself an opening for attack again. Also CJ's moment toward his forehand back corner was very smooth, and the stroke afterward was good as well... and not forget his drives are really good, kinda surprise to see so many drive shots in a singles game.
..hmm, i'm sure he must be quite prepared for this encounter...esp. a week of resting & training and watching Taufik's match against LD...But for a 1st time encounter for both players, i'm sure it was quite a match to enjoy..;) :) :cool:

[ctjcad]

Merged the WTL threads for these two tournaments.
..might as well wrap 'em into one, Cheung...hehe:p ;) :D :cool:

[bananaboy]

..hmm, i'm sure he must be quite prepared for this encounter...esp. a week of resting & training and watching Taufik's match against LD...But for a 1st time encounter for both players, i'm sure it was quite a match to enjoy..;) :) :cool: Even better was the fact that Chen Jin made very very few unforced errors in the 3rd set when it is so intense and stressful... it's amazing such a young player can manage to play so well. This time, no one can really blame Taufik for losing... he played well, just Chen Jin was superior this time. Chen Jin earned my respect!!! Taufik proved he's still good to me.(nice jumping backhand smash at late point of the 3rd set, and they showed an up-close slow motion, too!!!)

[woodenRacket]

I wonder why we have to ask W T L each time TH loses. In fact TH only won the IO this year, got beaten by other players sooner or later in all the other tourneys he participated. I can not remember how many times that was.
TH is just one of the top players like LCW, PG, CH, BCL etc. They have almost equal chance of beating each other when they meet. CJ seems to be joining this group too. And don't forget there is LD who has a clear edge over all the them. Whether you like it or not, LD has won more than 5 IBF grand prix titles every year since 3 years, that is more than more than half all the MS titles. Statistically this means LD alone has more chance of winning any title than all the rest of the MS players combined. TH in his best days had never achieved such a dominance.
It is no longer a surprise to see TH lose. Each time he has to pass other top players, and even if he does, there is LD standing in his way. He has lost to LD 3 times this year alone.
Instead of asking the boring question W T L, we should ask "Why TH won this time?" if he does manages to win a title.

Agreed! :)
Fact is so transparent yet someone just refuse to face it. That's why we have a WTL thread or maybe a www.whytaufiklost.com (http://www.whytaufiklost.com) later on:D :D

[woodenRacket]

We know that TH was doing his best in China. Both him and Chen Jin played optimally. He lost without losing his dignity and he tried his best. That's all that matter.

yes, good for him this time. To lose is nothing but not to escape.