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I think now is the best time for BAM to sack CTF-LWW. They are definately the most 'chocked' pair in the badminton world today. They always 'talk big' but never deliver. I remembered reading in the newspaper,Mr Rexy and CTF-LWW talking about the 'expected revenge' when the WC's draw came out. They were so confident that they could beat Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the quarter final (CTF-LWW lost to Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the Hong Kong Open final a couple of weeks ago)and go all the way to the final. In the end, CTF-LWW were beaten again by the Indonesian. CTF-LWW were so arrogant. They showed no respert for the Indonesian. Look at what happened at the recently concluded China Open, Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan beat the reigning world champion Fu HaiFeng-Cai Yun in the final while the arrogant CTF-LWW lost to an average Japanese pair in the last 16. I have been following CTF-LWW progress since 10 years ago. Sadly I can't remember what is the biggest title they have ever won.. or should I say they have never won anything Big.
It really puzzle me :confused: when old pairs like Tony Gunawan-Chandra Wijaya & Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen still can perform at the highest level while CTW-LWW keep on choking. It also puzzle :confused: me why Mr Rexy Mainaky and Mr Yap Kim Hock keep on having faith in them since Malaysia has many other promising pairs like KKK-CCM, Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif-Gan Teik Chai, Hoon Tien Hou-Tan Boon Heong and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Lin Woon Fui.
BAM, please wake up and sack CTF-LWW. Give the oppotunities to the young guns. They are the future of Malaysian badminton. No point holding on and wasting the people's money on the "never deliver" CTF-LWW. :crying:

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I think now is the best time for BAM to sack CTF-LWW. They are definately the most 'chocked' pair in the badminton world today. They always 'talk big' but never deliver. I remembered reading in the newspaper,Mr Rexy and CTF-LWW talking about the 'expected revenge' when the WC's draw came out. They were so confident that they could beat Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the quarter final (CTF-LWW lost to Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the Hong Kong Open final a couple of weeks ago)and go all the way to the final. In the end, CTF-LWW were beaten again by the Indonesian. CTF-LWW were so arrogant. They showed no respert for the Indonesian. Look at what happened at the recently concluded China Open, Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan beat the reigning world champion Fu HaiFeng-Cai Yun in the final while the arrogant CTF-LWW lost to an average Japanese pair in the last 16. I have been following CTF-LWW progress since 10 years ago. Sadly I can't remember what is the biggest title they have ever won.. or should I say they have never won anything Big.
It really puzzle me :confused: when old pairs like Tony Gunawan-Chandra Wijaya & Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen still can perform at the highest level while CTW-LWW keep on choking. It also puzzle :confused: me why Mr Rexy Mainaky and Mr Yap Kim Hock keep on having faith in them since Malaysia has many other promising pairs like KKK-CCM, Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif-Gan Teik Chai, Hoon Tien Hou-Tan Boon Heong and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Lin Woon Fui.
BAM, please wake up and sack CTF-LWW. Give the oppotunities to the young guns. They are the future of Malaysian badminton. No point holding on and wasting the people's money on the "never deliver" CTF-LWW. :crying:
You are not helping...

U said 'choking', n you must know what 'choking' means, it means having trouble but not yet suffociated to death... sacking them is too serious, finding the solution is the way to help the veteran pair. LWW is a hardworking player and he trains really hard.. All they need is some guidance, do u think sacking them will help Malaysia deliver a gold?

I think all players experience this at some point of thier career for example KBH and hafiz. They should be given more chances and put less pressure on themselves to perform. I think sometimes malaysian players can perform better when the odds are againts them, like KKK/CCM in thomas semis and Hafiz in All england 2003. I hope they could break off thier poor form and try to win something before ending thier career.

that's true, but they need some guidance, things dont just happen itself

Okay i have played many tournements though I am just 21.I never made it to state or anything.It is not that easy.I think they should be given credit for what they have achieved.They are good players and they train hard.I see them train.They really put in effort.There are a lot of pressure on them.It is not easy being up there as it were. I am sure they will do better.Even Lin Dan has fell here and there.Perhaps jas1121 is rite. Things just dont happend.I am at times dissapointed but trying being in their shoes for one day i think you will understand better.

sacking them is not da best way.. give them somemore time.. mayb they'll change.. there's always a loose n win in a game.. nobody is perfect.. even lindan also will feel tired..

for MAS to be success!!! FIRST, Get rid Misbun....he may be qualify to coach junior players...!!! but definitely not the top ones...remember all players under his charge do very badly in almost all tournaments and never improve after his charge? :confused:

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I think now is the best time for BAM to sack CTF-LWW. They are definately the most 'chocked' pair in the badminton world today. They always 'talk big' but never deliver. I remembered reading in the newspaper,Mr Rexy and CTF-LWW talking about the 'expected revenge' when the WC's draw came out. They were so confident that they could beat Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the quarter final (CTF-LWW lost to Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the Hong Kong Open final a couple of weeks ago)and go all the way to the final. In the end, CTF-LWW were beaten again by the Indonesian. CTF-LWW were so arrogant. They showed no respert for the Indonesian. Look at what happened at the recently concluded China Open, Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan beat the reigning world champion Fu HaiFeng-Cai Yun in the final while the arrogant CTF-LWW lost to an average Japanese pair in the last 16. I have been following CTF-LWW progress since 10 years ago. Sadly I can't remember what is the biggest title they have ever won.. or should I say they have never won anything Big.
It really puzzle me :confused: when old pairs like Tony Gunawan-Chandra Wijaya & Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen still can perform at the highest level while CTW-LWW keep on choking. It also puzzle :confused: me why Mr Rexy Mainaky and Mr Yap Kim Hock keep on having faith in them since Malaysia has many other promising pairs like KKK-CCM, Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif-Gan Teik Chai, Hoon Tien Hou-Tan Boon Heong and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Lin Woon Fui.
BAM, please wake up and sack CTF-LWW. Give the oppotunities to the young guns. They are the future of Malaysian badminton. No point holding on and wasting the people's money on the "never deliver" CTF-LWW. :crying:

I don't think they are arrogant. Who said that they showed no respect to the Indonesians?

One thing that i know is that both of them have been friendly and nice to their fans too, so i don't think they are arrogant.

They might have never won any big titles, always ended up as runner-ups or semi-finalist in some tournaments, but don't forget that they helped Malaysia a lot in team events. They defeated Markis/Hendra in SEA games last year which helped Malaysia to win a gold medal for the team event. They had a clean head-to-head record against Markis/Hendra before losing to them in the Hong Kong Open final which i think contributed to their loss of confidence and nervosity when they played against the Indonesian pair again in the world championship. And now after their early exit in the world championship, they seem to lose their direction.

They might have the best skills among all the malaysian pairs now but i think it's time for BAM to groom the young pairs already. Let them participate more in big tounaments especially in the team events since i think that we won't be able to see Lee/Choong again in the next Thomas cup.

malaysia boleh?, until you meet LWW/CTF personally, I think it's very unfair for you to say that they are arrogant and show no respect to anyone. After reading your post, should I conclude that you are arrogant and show no respect to other people as well?

He might not be arrogant...but definately have to be more sensitive to other people. Comments are a little too harsh.

Thanks Ants. I don't mean to hurt anybody here. I am new in this forum. Guessed I was too frustrated by the performance of the Malysian players recently. :p

Well ur not the one who is frustrated. hehehe I'm frustrated as well...

Thanks Ants. I don't mean to hurt anybody here. I am new in this forum. Guessed I was too frustrated by the performance of the Malysian players recently. :p

join the queue ... :D

I think all players experience this at some point of thier career for example KBH and hafiz. They should be given more chances and put less pressure on themselves to perform. I think sometimes malaysian players can perform better when the odds are againts them, like KKK/CCM in thomas semis and Hafiz in All england 2003. I hope they could break off thier poor form and try to win something before ending thier career.

Well said. CTF/LWW have been behaving funny. In the past, they used to encourage each other when play dipped. In the WC and CO, it seemed they leave each other alone when that happened.The Malaysian MDs have not been doing well recently. It's indicative of coach pressure.(the only one that have surprised is KKK/TBH and they probably played well because not much was expected of them)Look at how Rexy treat them. He wanted them to write down what they have to deliver! If you treat them like kids, they will behave like kids! Malaysians respond better to cheerleading than crushing ultimatums.Remember how the MDs rose to the occasion in the Thomas Cup? It's great that Rexy have shown how fantastic the MDs can be in just such a short space of time but some coaches are good for one season and he may just be one of them.Right now Malaysian MDs are in shambles and the coach seems to be the problem. Expect nothing from them and you won't be disappointed.

I really appreciate what Rexy has done to BAM men's doubles team. I think his actions to CTF/LWW are indeed appropriate. As you may know, country has spend a lot of money in badminton because all Malaysian has high expectation in this game. If players under BAM does not take every training and competition seroiusly, they are wasting BAM resources. Wasting taxpayers $$$
Look at this, Chinese players success because they needs to go through one year intense physical training b4 even start learning any racket skills. If you are not fit enough, they are not even thinking of spending any more time on you. You’re out!!
Malaysian players are very lucky. BAM make give them a lot of incentive and they better take it seriously, I remember PM Abdullah Badawi has said something like “if you train 6 hours is not good enough to produce result, make it 12 hours or even more…” that is true for country to stay competitive!
Don’t get me wrong here, I know some of them did work hard but some of them obviously lack of fitness.
Rexy and Li Mao both are well acknowledged supercoach. Misbun is the culprit. Sack Misbun!!!

I really appreciate what Rexy has done to BAM men's doubles team. I think his actions to CTF/LWW are indeed appropriate. As you may know, country has spend a lot of money in badminton because all Malaysian has high expectation in this game. If players under BAM does not take every training and competition seroiusly, they are wasting BAM resources. Wasting taxpayers $$$
Look at this, Chinese players success because they needs to go through one year intense physical training b4 even start learning any racket skills. If you are not fit enough, they are not even thinking of spending any more time on you. You’re out!!
Malaysian players are very lucky. BAM make give them a lot of incentive and they better take it seriously, I remember PM Abdullah Badawi has said something like “if you train 6 hours is not good enough to produce result, make it 12 hours or even more…” that is true for country to stay competitive!
Don’t get me wrong here, I know some of them did work hard but some of them obviously lack of fitness.
Rexy and Li Mao both are well acknowledged supercoach. Misbun is the culprit. Sack Misbun!!!

Misbun has nothing to do with MDs.
When Rexy first came on board, the youngster MDs raw talent were polished and they thrilled Malaysians with their AE semi final finish.So Rexy has done wonders with the young ones, no doubt about that.
However, his effect on the experienced MDs of CTF/LWW and CCM/KKK are starting to go downhill. These pairs are unique : they seem to specialise in beating higher ranked MDs and losing to lower ranked or unknown MDs. This suggests there's something amiss about their training. With older MDs , skill is not so much the problem;it's more the fitness.Fitness has instant effect on mental alertness, reflexes and court speed. (Not mental weakness-they are past that stage) If stamina cannot be sustained through lack of fitness,it shows up through error pile-up towards the end.In the NSS, your opponents don't have to do very much to win;they just let you make the errors for you to lose.
The youngster MDs , no matter how top form, may post a challenge but I'll be impressed if they can land a medal. In big stage competition, there's no substitute for match experience.
CTF/LWW and CCM/KKK should work on their fitness like they did for Thomas Cup.They need someone else to inspire them, not Rexy breathing down their neck. Maybe YKH to double up?

BaddestHawaii (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=12833)..it's not appropriate to sack him as he contributes alot in Malaysian Badminton. He was also rank world no.2 once during his playing time. If he's not a coach..we wouldnt have All England champ..ex-world no.1(roslin)n etc.
I am a district/zone player in KL (during secondary school)..one step before state level..& i had d opportunity to trained with him. (during my university level..which was conducted for universities badminton player). It was 5 days training session with Nusa Mahsuri (Misbun Sidek,Rahman Sidek,Hafiz Hashim,Roslin Hashim). Wut can i say is dat..i gained alot in 5days..n after dat i was able to beat several state players in Malaysia.
ERm,maybe u dont even like badminton? What kinda sport dat u like? erm.. vbmenu_register("postmenu_456374", true);

Thanks Ants. I don't mean to hurt anybody here. I am new in this forum. Guessed I was too frustrated by the performance of the Malysian players recently. :p

You need not apologize for what you wrote. I think you were extremely RIGHT!!!

The typical style of Malaysians doing thing is too diplomatic. Look at Dato Z's case. All UMNO big guns statement is too diplomatic. Same thing in badminton we have been too tolerant. I remeber once Park Joo Bong wanted to split this pair already (LWW/CTF) but through some diplomatic/political manuevre they got to stay! And look at how they choked in All Endland to Danish pair (If I am not mistaken, TWICE). Look at how they choke in Thomas Cup in Guangzhou when Lee Tsuen Seng out of no way beat Taufik Hidayat, opened up the way for a victory agt Indinesia but this LWW/CTF LOST!!!!!!!

I can't believe someone is speaking on behalf of LWW/CTF. THEY HAD ENOUGH. PERIOD! Finally we see BAM is doing something positive, by sacking this LWW/CTF. Please do not reverse this decision, I pray to God!

Malaysian badminton needs some strongman politics. Do not worry that these badminton players will starve do death because they leave national team. In fact they do better. look at Lee Tseun Seng. After he left the national team he went on to become NZ Open champion if I am not mistaken. Look at Roslin, after going to Denmank he found his second peak in his badminton career. Old men go and young men in this is routine in badminton. Yes you might have contributed to the nation but when it is time to leave, please go and we thank you very much!

What about CCM? He is not too old to go but he get the axe too (not truly axed, but changed partner). I have some comments I am sure many of u will curse me for being too mean. But this is what I have to say:

CCM is too self-centred. I know losing his father is a painful thing. But I was truely disappointed that he quit world championship without a fight. You must know CCM is representing MALAYSIA, not his family. He went to Spain on tax-payers' money. I know the Chinese always wanted all family members to be at the funeral but come on, it is the Chinese that says Country comes before the family!!! There were so many cases of the White sportsmen who bear the pain of losing their love ones and go on competing in their event in ?Olympics. They finally won and dedicate the medals to their loved one, so emotional, so touching. That's what lacking in our players. Being at world Championship is the dream of all badminton players in the world but when you have the chance and let go without a fight, it is shameful!

Just a 2-cent from me, comments are welcome.

Not as easy as you say.. You are not in CCM's shoe. I do agree that he is travelling on Tax payers money. I don't think CCM is too self centered.
Well he is not White and not everyone is like the European players.
Personally i don't think we have to right to judge anyone or any player.
Things are not as easy at it seems. Still water runs deep.

What about CCM? He is not too old to go but he get the axe too (not truly axed, but changed partner). I have some comments I am sure many of u will curse me for being too mean. But this is what I have to say:

CCM is too self-centred. I know losing his father is a painful thing. But I was truely disappointed that he quit world championship without a fight. You must know CCM is representing MALAYSIA, not his family. He went to Spain on tax-payers' money. I know the Chinese always wanted all family members to be at the funeral but come on, it is the Chinese that says Country comes before the family!!! There were so many cases of the White sportsmen who bear the pain of losing their love ones and go on competing in their event in ?Olympics. They finally won and dedicate the medals to their loved one, so emotional, so touching. That's what lacking in our players. Being at world Championship is the dream of all badminton players in the world but when you have the chance and let go without a fight, it is shameful!

Just a 2-cent from me, comments are welcome.

Not as easy as you say.. You are not in CCM's shoe. I do agree that he is travelling on Tax payers money. I don't think CCM is too self centered.
Well he is not White and not everyone is like the European players.
Personally i don't think we have to right to judge anyone or any player.
Things are not as easy at it seems. Still water runs deep.


Yeah I don't think it's fair for anyone to say that CCM shouldn't have flown home. The only time where it might make sense to not do that is maybe if other people's lives were depended on you like in a war or you putting others in danger in doing so. Although CCM is representing Malaysia and its people, it is just a game and he still has plenty of chances to bag titles in the future, especially when Malaysia is holding the WC in KL next year. On the other hand, I think people will look down on him had he chosen to stay and play instead of attending his father's funeral, especially people from the Asian communities.

I don't know but I have always believed that Asian cultures tend to emphasize the importance of family before anything else and that even include one's self at times. Am I not right?

yea.. its unfair to judge a person like dat yo.. wat happen if CCM was not attending his father's funeral?? i think 99% of da people will say him unfilial son.. furthermore..its his dad's last journery.. he SHOULD be there to accompany his dad to walk through this last journey.. n wat happen if CCM stayed n play 4 his WC?? his winning chance wif kkk r jux 50-50.. too risk.. if he stayed he should win a title back.. if not.. haha..unfilial son will come out from everybody's mouth.. by da way.. CCM did a right choice...i respect him..

yup, that's a ridiculous statement.
that's exactly what i would have done as well, and i'm sure his teammates and coaches were supportive of his decision.

I agree, its time for CTF/LWW to retire and give younger pairs more chances to compete. BAM should not expect anything from the pair anymore. They are my favourite MD pair but they are not like Tony Gunawan or Chandra Wijaya. They should be sparring partners to help the younger pairs.

You need not apologize for what you wrote. I think you were extremely RIGHT!!!

The typical style of Malaysians doing thing is too diplomatic. Look at Dato Z's case. All UMNO big guns statement is too diplomatic. Same thing in badminton we have been too tolerant. I remeber once Park Joo Bong wanted to split this pair already (LWW/CTF) but through some diplomatic/political manuevre they got to stay! And look at how they choked in All Endland to Danish pair (If I am not mistaken, TWICE). Look at how they choke in Thomas Cup in Guangzhou when Lee Tsuen Seng out of no way beat Taufik Hidayat, opened up the way for a victory agt Indinesia but this LWW/CTF LOST!!!!!!!

I can't believe someone is speaking on behalf of LWW/CTF. THEY HAD ENOUGH. PERIOD! Finally we see BAM is doing something positive, by sacking this LWW/CTF. Please do not reverse this decision, I pray to God!

Rexy is a great coach for the young but stinks as one for the experienced. He has done more harm than good to the CTF/LWW partnership and I don't see how the veterans can function under him.If they work on their fitness, they can stll be better otherwise it's the end of the road. It's easy to find instances to back up your point that they choked. However, their TC Finals matches also proved they are no chokers(and this is more recent than your examples.)What I' m disgusted with is how Rexy treats his charges differently.( That's how students' performance can change , some better , some worse when a new teacher comes in.) A fantastic teacher is one who nurtures ALL his charges to progress . Rexy is not a fantastic coach. He is a discriminatory one, who inspires some charges and demoralise others. I want to point out that his discriminatory behaviour is likely to be unintentional.
May I suggest that the AG decision has more to do with the coaches (Rexy and YKH) keeping their jobs. You see, that Dato Z chap who issued that ultimatum of 'Gold or your head rolls' now has to back down cos he cannot expect that of the newbies. (Actually his is the one whose head should roll first) That's why CCM has to be the ultimate victim. If the CCM/KKK were fielded, the "Gold'' ultimatum still holds.(The argument of fielding TBH now to gain experience for Olympics is laughable because he would have opportunities in Sudirman and WC in 2007 and TC in 2008 to get over big match nerves by then.)
I have one question: Skillwise,are the newbies superior to CTF/LWW? Appreciate opinions from all.

Personally i think to Field KKK/TBH for Asian game is a gamble. Not that i'm saying they are not a good pair. If to expose them.. i would rather expose them in the regular super series and not a BIG game like Asian Games. Both of them played well in JP open.. but this still have not proven their consistency in other tournaments.

that's true....field in KKK with TBH is a big risk!!CCM and KKK would be much more safer!!YES!we should give the young players a chance but definitely not in the AG!!

totally agree i think CCM can do it better

CCM and KKK seem to have gone a bit stale and I was so shocked when BAM changed everybody last minute like that.
Maybe they've seen a miracle =/
Or maybe CCM still in mourning?
We can only hope for the best...and no more accidents please....Msian team has had enough of that.

I was really shocked when i saw the player list to DOHA Asean Games..they had changed all the player especially men double player!!!although many ppl don agree wit it,however i think they had their reason to did it!!maybe it's time for us to see the young player potential n their "performance"...;) :o

I'm really sad and dissapointed, not because of the result of Malaysia's player, but those of you who keep on complaining.:mad: :mad: :mad:

All of the player, for sure include LWW & CTF, CCM, they have contribute so much for our badminton team and our country. Like CTF & LWW, although they never win any big event, but in the last few years, because of them, we are able to see "MALAYSIA' appeared in almost every badminton event, even final, semi-final and OLYMPIC games. WE SHOULD FEEL PROUD!!! Without them , men's double in Malaysia will be drowning since few years ago. Then what do you think will happen to the Malaysia badminton team?

And i dun think CCM did anything wrong, try to imagine, what would we feel if the one who dead is our father? We are human being, and so to the player, they are not GOD even they are top player in the world. They still have emotion, feeling, and the most important is 'THE RIGHT". He has the right to leave the competition, even the coach allow him to do so, what we can complain anymore? So why dun we complain the coach? But treat the player, the one who already get hurt as a target?

siaoching is right!!!! u r not in CCM's shows n u have no idea wad is his feelings... we cant just jump to conclusion tat he is self-centred right?? that is the time that his family need him the most n he isn't going back at all.. furthermore, he can't concentrate n focus either even if he chooses to stay on in madrid... thats his father dude!!!!

How is winning a WC title more important than sending your only father's last journey? I really cannot comprehend ur thinking..anyway to each and their own beliefs...To me, i think CCM made the best decision and I don't blame him at all for Msia's failure to win anything from this WC

To not stray away from this topic...I am also getting disappointed by LWW/CTF's performance again..frustrating when u know they have the capability to deliver but they always fail when it matters..Their age is not helping at all, i guess old habits die hard

i hope ccm see this thread

I don't think he can access to the internet at the moment.

I'm really sad and dissapointed, not because of the result of Malaysia's player, but those of you who keep on complaining.:mad: :mad: :mad:

All of the player, for sure include LWW & CTF, CCM, they have contribute so much for our badminton team and our country. Like CTF & LWW, although they never win any big event, but in the last few years, because of them, we are able to see "MALAYSIA' appeared in almost every badminton event, even final, semi-final and OLYMPIC games. WE SHOULD FEEL PROUD!!! Without them , men's double in Malaysia will be drowning since few years ago. Then what do you think will happen to the Malaysia badminton team?

And i dun think CCM did anything wrong, try to imagine, what would we feel if the one who dead is our father? We are human being, and so to the player, they are not GOD even they are top player in the world. They still have emotion, feeling, and the most important is 'THE RIGHT". He has the right to leave the competition, even the coach allow him to do so, what we can complain anymore? So why dun we complain the coach? But treat the player, the one who already get hurt as a target?

being a singaporean, i can only say that malaysia is doing very well..compare to singapore. i was linesman for a LWW and CTF match and certainly feel that they are a great pair!

being able to cheer for a team representing your country is a great honor even if they lose. i am sure they want to win. but badminton is very competitive and no one seems to be able to be winning all the time.

and i think ppl are nuts when they feel that a man should go for his games ( even if its the finals of a 6-star event) when their loved ones have passed away. you will not even be playing if not for your parent who broght you up!

How is winning a WC title more important than sending your only father's last journey? I really cannot comprehend ur thinking..anyway to each and their own beliefs...To me, i think CCM made the best decision and I don't blame him at all for Msia's failure to win anything from this WC

To not stray away from this topic...I am also getting disappointed by LWW/CTF's performance again..frustrating when u know they have the capability to deliver but they always fail when it matters..Their age is not helping at all, i guess old habits die hard
about winning a WC title more important or not?? i think its important..yes it is... but u can always try again next yr if not this yr... as for his father, he has only one n tat last journey of his is important too....plus it is only once in a lifetime..u wouldnt want to miss it n disappoint ur family...furthermore, it is a chinese family tradition for a long long time since our ancestors u know....

n for LWW/CTF.. yes im equally frustrated wit them.. wad is going on wit them?? never change.... the biggest enemy is themselves.. if they dun get rid of tat habit, its the end of the road for them....:( :( :crying:

Look like I have created a public anger on the CCM issue, I shall retract my inconsiderate statement. A player in that situation will not be able to concentrate playing anyway, my apology.

However I still support the BAM decision for the change in the AG MD list. We need changes to progress. No doubt CTF/LWW has fought hard for the country before but they are in bad shape now. Sending them to Doha is equally risky. As for SiaoChing's statement on them in Olympic final, semifinal, I can't recall any. The only Malaysian Olympic medalists are Jalani/Razif and Rashid if I am not mistaken.

My suggestion to kwun, can you creat a vote for

1. Do u think CTF/LWW should go to Doha?
2. Do u think KKK/CCM should remain as a pair in Doha?

[quote=qwertyu]What about CCM? He is not too old to go but he get the axe too (not truly axed, but changed partner). I have some comments I am sure many of u will curse me for being too mean. But this is what I have to say:

CCM is too self-centred. I know losing his father is a painful thing. But I was truely disappointed that he quit world championship without a fight. You must know CCM is representing MALAYSIA, not his family. He went to Spain on tax-payers' money. I know the Chinese always wanted all family members to be at the funeral but come on, it is the Chinese that says Country comes before the family!!! There were so many cases of the White sportsmen who bear the pain of losing their love ones and go on competing in their event in ?Olympics. They finally won and dedicate the medals to their loved one, so emotional, so touching. That's what lacking in our players. Being at world Championship is the dream of all badminton players in the world but when you have the chance and let go without a fight, it is shameful!

Frankly, I have been disturbed and stunned by your criticism of CCM. Those White sportsmen who went on competing in Olympics to win gold to dedicate to their beloved dead? Those are the self centred ones!They would not give up the opportunity of personal glory first to show respect and love for their dead parents. It's because they know they did not make the natural, decent choice that they have to come up with a dedication statement to justify their decision.Beneath it all, they would be silently saying sth like this: ' Mum, I'm sorry I can't be there for you. But I've worked my guts out for four long years for this.This gold could lead to endorsement deals which means I may not have to work for the rest of my life.You just happen to die at the wrong time but I'll dedicate the gold to you instead of my wife...I know you'll understand.'
As for taxpayers money,I've worked in advertising, specifically in influencing media spending and I can tell you your RM 500,000 would probably buy you less than 100 30sec tv spots (ie 50 mins of airtime) on all the TV stations that air the WC and that is a generous estimate. For CCM, for his career to date, for the exposure he has given to Malaysia every time he is on TV, MAS have not paid him enough. You don't know what a fantastic return you get from Team MAS compared to Singapore! Sure BAM budget is tons bigger but the return is megatons bigger too.Appreciate team MAS. They have the talent but they have certainly slogged their lives for you.
People make mistakes in perception. I believe you owe CCM an apology here.

Yes. pjfswift, I agree with u. See my earlier post.

The title of this thread certainly rings a bell with this English proverb : "The vulger keeps no account of your hits, only of your misses".

My suggestion to kwun, can you creat a vote for

1. Do u think CTF/LWW should go to Doha?
2. Do u think KKK/CCM should remain as a pair in Doha?

CCM/KKK are a real threat to Chinese and Indonesian MDs....

They are most powerful and fast!!! WIthout doubt...

Again, if BAM decides not to field them in the AG,....OH....it is a blessing for Ina and Chinese teams....:D

Can't say that too soon though.

Lin and Tazari may be capable of doing as well as CCM/KKK. And given thier recent achivements...Big big capability...

i hope ccm see this thread

Advantage: If he watch this thread, he will know that we all feel of his hardship and heartbreak. And many of us respect and support his decision. Do not blame himselves.

Disadvantage: This thread maybe will make him recall those sadness, we may hurt him again.

:( :( :( :(

LWW/CTF = "habis manis sepah dibuang", i hope malaysians know this proverb :)

Every one has his/her Physical, Intelligent and Emotion cycles changing everyday in the form of SINE and a COSINE curves. Besides the skills, I believe that it has to do with the physical curve in its peak at the same time for duo in order to win the double. It is hard to coincide for both partners in the top form at the same time and also in a series of days during a competition.
We criticized when they only missed to deliver medal in the last 2 competitions in high pressure and high stress. But did we praise when they delivered medals in the previous competitions? Or did we contribute or deliver any medal at all for the country?
These veteran players have been working hard and doing a great jobs in these past few years and should be encouraging.

CCM/KKK and CTF/LWW should be given to Doha and 2008 Olympic before they retire while the youngsters still have many chances to super series to get more experience for next Asian game and London Olympic.

The title of this thread certainly rings a bell with this English proverb : "The vulger keeps no account of your hits, only of your misses".

Good one. But what's a 'vulger'? Appreciate the right word if it's a typo.

Good one. But what's a 'vulger'? Appreciate the right word if it's a typo.

A 'vulger' is certainly not a gentleman.

At the end of the day, we can only voice our opinions in a diplomatic way. The decision to select the players to represent the country rests on the coaches and the management team. So people, it would be great if we can just be calm about the situation and let the people who are in said positions do what they are paid for.

That is all.

Every one has his/her Physical, Intelligent and Emotion cycles changing everyday in the form of SINE and a COSINE curves. Besides the skills, I believe that it has to do with the physical curve in its peak at the same time for duo in order to win the double. It is hard to coincide for both partners in the top form at the same time and also in a series of days during a competition.
We criticized when they only missed to deliver medal in the last 2 competitions in high pressure and high stress. But did we praise when they delivered medals in the previous competitions? Or did we contribute or deliver any medal at all for the country?
These veteran players have been working hard and doing a great jobs in these past few years and should be encouraging.

CCM/KKK and CTF/LWW should be given to Doha and 2008 Olympic before they retire while the youngsters still have many chances to super series to get more experience for next Asian game and London Olympic.

Agree. but I don't think the seniors were originally slated for Doha as retirement gifts; it was because they really deserve it as they have been performing superior to the newbies.It was only at the WC that CTF/LWW were looking really wrong and even now it would be high risk to field them. Tazari/Lin is a safer but inferior bet. It used to be said that CTF/LWW have themselves as their worst enemies.That I believe has changed now to Rexy. (By the way does anybody know who replaced Rexy in the England coaching team or was his post made redundant?) As long as Rexy remains as coach, CTF/LWW are unlikely to perform. (But they should learn from CH and try to bide their time. CH's stunning comeback proves that as long as you work on and maintain your fitness,you will be superior to the younger ones because your skills and experience are superior and established (PhD) while they are still working on their skills ('A' level) even though they can work longer hours.)
As for CCM/KKK, I believe at one stage they were supposed to split. May turn out to be a good thing for CCM not to have KKK as his partner.

The great Liem Swie King had a statue erected in his home town, an appropriate recogntion from his home town folks; it was pulled down when he lost to China's Han Jian in the 1981 Thomas cup.
The proverb I cited earlier also is true here, there, everywhere.

Every one has his/her Physical, Intelligent and Emotion cycles changing everyday in the form of SINE and a COSINE curves. Besides the skills, I believe that it has to do with the physical curve in its peak at the same time for duo in order to win the double. It is hard to coincide for both partners in the top form at the same time and also in a series of days during a competition.
We criticized when they only missed to deliver medal in the last 2 competitions in high pressure and high stress. But did we praise when they delivered medals in the previous competitions? Or did we contribute or deliver any medal at all for the country?
These veteran players have been working hard and doing a great jobs in these past few years and should be encouraging.

CCM/KKK and CTF/LWW should be given to Doha and 2008 Olympic before they retire while the youngsters still have many chances to super series to get more experience for next Asian game and London Olympic.

totally agree with you,
We criticized when they only missed to deliver medal in the last 2 competitions in high pressure and high stress. But did we praise when they delivered medals in the previous competitions?

There are world ranking NO.4 now, which pair can have the qualification to substitute them? Even KKK, CCM TBH and HTH cannot replace them. So is it anyone of us go and represent Malaysia to play in Doha?

CTF/LWW not so bad, but seem that rexy follow his teacher Christian H, look at how christian just threw away aplayer like sigit budiarto, tony,etc,etc.

christian like alex ferguson, so i think it's affect rexy too, just give rexy chance t prove that his decision to not send ctf/lww is good decision

I can say this is totally unfair!!

Replacing KKK/CCM with KKK/T?? doesn't make sense as the new pair is not any stronger and the chance of winning also is not increasing. I agree Rexy/YKH just setup an excuse in case MD fail to deliver.
As for Tan Fook/Wan Wah, I have mix feeling for them. It's true, without them Malaysia MD will be in even worse shape than now. We can boost about how well Rexy has brought out the new young pairs but have any of them actually win any title?
Chan Chong Ming did the right thing attended the funeral, period.
I don't think Malaysia will win any gold or silver in Badminton in Asian Game. Bronze is more likely.

I have wanted to say this for some time. Sometimes I find the language used by some of our BFers a little too strong a little less civil.

Take this thread title for example: "SACK .....' Imagine for once that you are CTF or LWW and you happen to read this post, what sort of feelings do you have?

After giving of your best for so many years for your country and for badminton, we have so-called badminton fans who give you no 'face' at all or who doesn't care about human feelings just because you happen to have a bad day which affected your results.

Please be more considerate, try to put yourself in the players' position, try to empathize with them, acknowledge that as human beings, we will have both good and bad days.

If you feel so strongly that they should go, choose a less emotive word such as "RETIRE" instead of 'SACK', which means "dismissed from employment".

Do our two 'veteran' players, who have served Malaysia well all these years, deserve this?

Loh,

Sometimes their performances just do not indicate that they give their best. many times.

Nobody can prove anything, but they let so many things slip away easily, blamed on trivial matters, you wonder if there was some hidden agenda.

TBBMBB(N)

Well, i think that CCM did the right thing to attend the funeral. A friend from China said to me:''Just because his father dies and so he doesn't want to play??!'' which somehow irritated me. What did he mean by 'just'? I think those who have critised CCM for not being able to play in WC really owe him an apology. He himself must be very sad too after preparing for such a long time. Why we fans can't understand it while KKK can understand his situation?

Quite pity with CCM. Two times world junior champion and one time world junior mixed double champion but couldn't achieve high to justify his potential. First, always has to change his partner. second, the shoulder injury which really hampers him from his usual powerful smashes.third, alaway being the second fiddle. Actually he has contributed a lot to his partnership with KKK. KKK is not matured yet and it was CCM who calmed and advised him a lot and KKK admitted it too. Furthermore, during the match against the korean pair in thomas cup this year, those who watched the game and some newspaper said that KKK didn't play well but in the end, Yap Kim Hock and Rexy critised and blamed CCM for not playing well. I didn't watch the game and therefore i was confused by the situation and these two 'versions'.

Back to the topic of this thread, i was extremely disappointed with LWW/CTF too but i didn't forget their contributions to the country. wtihout them, our MD would not even make any impact in the badminton world for the last 10 years after the retirement of Soon Kit/Kim Hock.

I have wanted to say this for some time. Sometimes I find the language used by some of our BFers a little too strong a little less civil.

Take this thread title for example: "SACK .....' Imagine for once that you are CTF or LWW and you happen to read this post, what sort of feelings do you have?

After giving of your best for so many years for your country and for badminton, we have so-called badminton fans who give you no 'face' at all or who doesn't care about human feelings just because you happen to have a bad day which affected your results.

Please be more considerate, try to put yourself in the players' position, try to empathize with them, acknowledge that as human beings, we will have both good and bad days.

If you feel so strongly that they should go, choose a less emotive word such as "RETIRE" instead of 'SACK', which means "dismissed from employment".

Do our two 'veteran' players, who have served Malaysia well all these years, deserve this?

Totally agree with you. i really hope that CTF & LWW won't log on to this thread, they will be really really upset and dissapointed.
The word" SACK" shouldn't be used.