World Cup 2006:Day 4 (Semifinals)

[rhinovinda]

Cai Yun you are not Kido...who can make foolish serve.

[DinkAlot]

20-16, Team Boleh is about to...BOLEH!!!

[DinkAlot]

20-17, Team Boleh. Nice point, nice defense by Team Jia You. Fu finishes it with a smash and I have to lose connection...

[Only CW]

Well done!! Mas:D :D

[DinkAlot]

21-17, Team Malaysia wins! Congrats! BOLEH!!!

[sickgal]

im goin to die for heart attack now!! its so exciting !!!

[rhinovinda]

Yeaahhhh....!!! Jia You Kido....!!!:D

[Budakkiwi]

Connection is bad...sigh...did not see their winning point...too congested maybe

[elwin81]

Aha, dah menang kah.
Syabas.............Team Boleh

[kenny7_2006]

SYABAS! Malaysia Boleh!

Tazari/Lin won against Cai/Fu!

[Malaysianfan]

Syabas!Syabas!!

[DinkAlot]

wow, this is quite unexpected, is CY/FHF's invincibility finally cracking?

Naw, I don't think Fu/Cai is anywhere near invincible. They still have a bit to learn. Right now they beat people with power and speed. Once they get older, they will have to learn to control the game differently.

Of course all this is easier said then done. I can't do any of it so... :p

[kenny7_2006]

Congratulations again to the pair.... that's 2 on the bounce against the (so ranked) World No. 1 pair!

This pair is one for the future... No, wait, now!

[sickgal]

just now who won the mixed double?? which pair???

[sickgal]

i know di..its xie/yawen...

[*izzyC*]

Cai Yun seemed to be very tired, especially in the third set. Hopefully they can recover in time for the Asian Games.

[Malaysianfan]

Naw, I don't think Fu/Cai is anywhere near invincible. They still have a bit to learn. Right now they beat people with power and speed. Once they get older, they will have to learn to control the game differently.

Of course all this is easier said then done. I can't do any of it so... :p

First of all, have they ever been invincible??:cool:

[K Genetics]

Well done!! Glad to see Tazari and Lin win :-)

[ssuly]

omgggggg....i'm dazzled!! This MAS pair is outstanding..:eek:

[badMania]

Naw, I don't think Fu/Cai is anywhere near invincible. They still have a bit to learn. Right now they beat people with power and speed. Once they get older, they will have to learn to control the game differently.

Of course all this is easier said then done. I can't do any of it so... :p

Congratulations to Mohd Tazari/Lin! They totally deserved the win today! A final between Malaysia vs Indonesia is always better than China vs Indonesia!

Fu/Cai have become too one dimensional as what you have said...merely relying on speed and power. Once the opponents have learnt of the right strategy to beat them, Fu/Cai can be beaten!

[twdc08]

well done Tazari/Lin!!win the champion tomorrow!!!
i think their condition now are the best among the Malaysian men`s doubles...they should take over Choong/Lee`s place in asian games

[zqloy]

Will Cai/Fu have the mental barrier against Malaysian pairs? :P

[sickgal]

Cai Yun seemed to be very tired, especially in the third set. Hopefully they can recover in time for the Asian Games.


i noticed that as well... his expressions had told us though... most likely he's not in his best form... :o

[DinkAlot]

First of all, have they ever been invincible??:cool:

That's my point, they have not. :p

[Only CW]

Ok,tmr let's enjoy Kido/Hendra's performance, can't help excited:D :cool: :cool:

[Malaysianfan]

well done Tazari/Lin!!win the champion tomorrow!!!
i think their condition now are the best among the Malaysian men`s doubles...they should take over Choong/Lee`s place in asian games

They deserved it!!:)

[sickgal]

Cai Yun seemed to be very tired, especially in the third set. Hopefully they can recover in time for the Asian Games.

i noticed that as well...his expressions told us though.. mm.. he's definately not in his best form!! poor thing..:o

[DinkAlot]

i noticed that as well... his expressions had told us though... most likely he's not in his best form... :o

Doh! I hope there's no WCL (Why China Lost) post. :p

[Dreamzz]

yeah, i think they have found a strategy to beat CY/FHF now.
that's gonna be one heluva match tomorrow.
i hope they can keep their concentration ...

[Malaysianfan]

Hopefully they can give Markis/Hendra a good fight tomorrow, and better an upset..Wow, MAS vs Indonesia!! Nice match to be watched.

[Only CW]

Hopefully they can give Markis/Hendra a good fight tomorrow, and better an upset..Wow, MAS vs Indonesia!! Nice match to be watched.

Yeah,just can't wait....:cool:

[ants]

China will be prepared in the Asian Games.. that is their Goal.. their lost in the doubles this time is nothing much to talk about.

[tkteo]

Fu/Cai have become too one dimensional as what you have said...merely relying on speed and power. Once the opponents have learnt of the right strategy to beat them, Fu/Cai can be beaten!
I was also thinking: for a doubles pair that relies too much on speed and power, won't their performance suffer when they are tired after several tournaments?

I don't mean this as an excuse for Fu and Cai. Rather, this could instead be the major weakness they have to overcome: how to defeat opponents using strategy when they are physically tired.

[sickgal]

i dont agree with that.. the fighting spirits is always there...if just wanna pure focus on the Asian Games.. 1st of all need not participate in this match... i mean whether they win/lose surely there will be ppl talk about their performance no matter what...

[cao ci dan]

:eek: :eek: fu/cai lost AGAIN??!!!!!:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: ....fu's smashes no more effective!!:( :(

[sickgal]

and i belief the MD match is important to china because each event in every tournament is important to them.. in my view..they will ensure the players enter into final and on top of that wins the title... thats why i guess LYB was there to give the MD a word or two during the interval break just now!

[badMania]

I agree with ants that losing in this invitational tournament is not a big deal at all :D

[twdc08]

:eek: :eek: fu/cai lost AGAIN??!!!!!:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: ....fu's smashes no more effective!!:( :(

his smashes are aggressive...but his opponents` defense are better:)

[badMania]

Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir have beaten Zhang Jun/Gao Ling 21-15, 21-16. So, it's another rematch against Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen. This will probably be Zhang Jun's last match with Gao Ling since she's paired up with Zheng Bo in the Asian Games.

They have already met 4 times this year with the records even at 2-2 :eek: They will probably be the top 2 seeds for the Asian Games XD events. The other possible seeds will include Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam and Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung.

[**KZ**]

yes fairuz/lin have good defense....so their record against fu/cai now is 3:2.....

[bananaboy]

:eek: :eek: fu/cai lost AGAIN??!!!!!:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: ....fu's smashes no more effective!!:( :(

I wouldn't think that Fu's smashes are not as effective as before if given the same circumstances. However, if your opponents don't give you the lifts that you look for in order to properly executive a powerful smash, then even if you can smash at 332km/hr, it really doesn't mean much... although Fu's around the head smash can be about 308km/hr (from world championship 06).. but just imagine trying to smash at your harderst while running around the court. Kinda hard, isn't it.:crying:

Come on Fu/Cai, you guys can and will do better!!!:cool: In the meantime, you guys really need to expand your game some more.:p

Fu's smashes = top tier!!!:D

[bananaboy]

yes fairuz/lin have good defense....so their record against fu/cai now is 3:2.....

Interesting thing is if you look up the IBF official website, and look under the head 2 head section... some matches in some particular events (eg. Thomas/uber cup) results are not taken into account. An example is after Peter Gade defeated LCW in Thomas cup 06, their head 2 head still says Gade 0 vs 2 LCW???:confused:

So, I wonder if they will include the non-IBF sanction event such as the "world cup" into account this time.:p

[zqloy]

yes fairuz/lin have good defense....so their record against fu/cai now is 3:2.....

I thought their head to head is 2:0? :cool:

[sickgal]

i disagree with ant's opinion..anyway..ntg much to be said now.. so just anticipate for tmr's final!

[blessing]

hahaha....congratsssss to fairuzizuan n woon fui for beatin da world champ......huhuhu...:D :D :D .. if both of u r selected for doha...gambatte in ur doha games... u can do it.....~!!! :D :D :) :)

[badMania]

hahaha....congratsssss to fairuzizuan n woon fui for beatin da world champ......huhuhu...:D :D :D .. if both of u r selected for doha...gambatte in ur doha games... u can do it.....~!!! :D :D :) :)

With their victory today over Fu/Cai, it's virtually a done deal. So, CTF/LWW and CCM can kiss their Doha dream goodbye...

[**KZ**]

Interesting thing is if you look up the IBF official website, and look under the head 2 head section... some matches in some particular events (eg. Thomas/uber cup) results are not taken into account. An example is after Peter Gade defeated LCW in Thomas cup 06, their head 2 head still says Gade 0 vs 2 LCW???:confused:

So, I wonder if they will include the non-IBF sanction event such as the "world cup" into account this time.:p

i guess in team events like cups and invitational event...it's not counted...LCW's win over taufik at T/U cup qualifiers is also not shown

[kokcheng]

Kido/Hendra have taken the first set 21-19.
They should win and entertain Fu/Cai yet again tomorrow :cool:Spoken too early,man.Sometimes it is too bad to underestimate the Malaysians.Now, we will have a classic match against the Indonesians.May the force of Rexy be with them.

[pauline]

wow,congrats to Lin Woon Fui & Fairuzizuan!
add more oil tomorrow!

[blessing]

wow,congrats to Lin Woon Fui & Fairuzizuan!
add more oil tomorrow!oil is gettin more n more expensive.. add water~! add water~!

[blessing]

With their victory today over Fu/Cai, it's virtually a done deal. So, CTF/LWW and CCM can kiss their Doha dream goodbye...haih.. lww had skipped twice for asian games.. now wanna skip again.. haih.. no fate wif asian.. but have to wait for the greenlight from NSC.. NSC will make the last decision.. hehe.. :)

[Sammy]

use tvu player.....

There is no supersport channel?

[ctjcad]

Wow, seems like both XXF and ZN are tired after both of them winning every tournament this year. :p
..hehe, i wouldn't be surprised if we see an encore in the upcoming Asian Games in Doha between the 2 of them again....so, both XXF and ZN tired?? naaaah, well, just not as tired as the rest of their competitors..hehehe:p ;) :D :cool:

[ctjcad]

according to the news, when Taufik got back to his hotel after the match with CH, he immediately told the organizer that he would quit the SF, because "too tired".
he left Yiyang already for Guangzhou via Changsha today to go back home.
..hehe, probably as long as he gets his SF appearance bonus-cheque, that would already suffice..hehe;):rolleyes: :p :) :D

[badMania]

..hehe, probably as long as he gets his SF appearance bonus-cheque, that would already suffice..hehe;):rolleyes: :p :) :D

I think a SF placing is worth at least US$2000 (plus appearance fee of US$1000 just for participating). Not bad for 1 victory and 1 defeat in 2 days work :cool:

[cooler]

doesn't BWF have penalty for players keep pulling stunts like taufik?

[ctjcad]

Hmm, we have yet to hear from Indra ever since Taufik's defeat by Chen Jin at the 2006 China Open. I anxiously await for his colorful excuses for that defeat and another defeat to Chen Hong and of course for this walkover as well.
..hehe, indra and his "golden-boy" Taufik seemed to go hand in hand, everytime a tournament gets underway(with the usual talks)..:p:) ..except indra finally realized he has run out of excuses now, thus now prefers to disappear into thin air without making any further comments...:) :D ;) ...

[ctjcad]

I think a SF placing is worth at least US$2000 (plus appearance fee of US$1000 just for participating). Not bad for 1 victory and 1 defeat in 2 days work :cool:
..thanks for disclosing..(and i'm sure he'll probably not pay any taxes for those either).;) :)

[byelnats]

doesn't BWF have penalty for players keep pulling stunts like taufik?

Taufik does not technically do anything wrong. He cited an injury and he did that BEFORE the match. If he goes into the match and then fake an injury, then BWF can take disciplinary action against him. The only thing he does is making fool of himself. Last time I looked, the WBF does not punish player for making a fool of themselves :D.

[cooler]

Taufik does not technically do anything wrong. He cited an injury and he did that BEFORE the match. If he goes into the match and then fake an injury, then BWF can take disciplinary action against him. The only thing he does is making fool of himself. Last time I looked, the WBF does not punish player for making a fool of themselves :D.
by the letters of the bylaw yes but everyone knows 'why' he declared injury since he did play to completion of his previous match.

[cooler]

..thanks for disclosing..(and i'm sure he'll probably not pay any taxes for those either).;) :)
if for a canadian, he/she has to pay airfare + room + meals.
if pbsi pays TH expense and TH get to keep his booty, then showing up is worth it, and stay long enough to play those matches that he has a chance to collect more booty.:D His principle is, if he can't win, why play and sweat it? I dont understand TH fans, TH surely isnt playing badminton for them

[elwin81]

Glad that Lin and Tazari won their match today.
Lin got fantastic power smash.

Anyone know if Lin is a nice guy? My impression of him is not very good.

[virusvoodoo]

..hehe, indra and his "golden-boy" Taufik seemed to go hand in hand, everytime a tournament gets underway(with the usual talks)..:p:) ..except indra finally realized he has run out of excuses now, thus now prefers to disappear into thin air without making any further comments...:) :D ;) ...


Well I was mainly aiming at Indra as he overdoes it with the excuses and his bias comments (ie. everybody's afraid of Taufik...blah blah blah) but now I'm starting to be dissappointed with Taufik as well. I mean, the guy does not even try anymore; I don't considering entering a tournament then quit because of stamina-related problems. He shouldn't even enter anymore tournament if he keeps on doing this.

If it's really injury then I don't blame him. But then you can't just claim injury-related problem too many times either. Just rest up and wait until his condition improves because he's just wasting PBSI's time and money when it can be spent on younger players with more potential (Taufik aint getting any better while the youngsters like Simon Santoso can improve).

Taufik should be more like Peter Gade & Kenneth Jonassen when it comes to knowing when he should play in a tournament and when not to. Gade injured himself earlier this year in the Thailand Open after winning the Philippines or Singapore Open so he withdrew from that and did not play in the Hong Kong Open. Same thing with Jonassen as he withdrew from the WC'06 when he injured himself in a team match.

Now it just seems like he's exiting early in tournaments, or if not then withdrawing and it seems as if he is avoiding Lin Dan in the process. Hopefully this withdraw/walk-over is the last one for a long while otherwise I'd have to say he's afraid of facing Lin Dan.

Taufik has to remember that the more he avoids LD the more LD will think that TH is afraid of him thus giving him more and more confidence when facing TH in the future. It is better to face a less-confident opponent than one with full confidence as he would do his best making it a long match which we all agree that TH cannot handle any longer.

[cooler]

TH walkover is also unfair to all other advancing participants too.
If LD or any other players that TH afraid to meet, LD et al has one match less to play, therefore, less tired going into next match. This is really unfair to the next player facing LD coz he had to fight hard with bruises to advance and now has to play a rested player like lin dan. It would take a miracle to beat a rested Lin dan when ur already nearly tapped out. TH diberate W/O distorts the tournament fair play.

[ctjcad]

Well I was mainly aiming at Indra as he overdoes it with the excuses and his bias comments (ie. everybody's afraid of Taufik...blah blah blah) but now I'm starting to be dissappointed with Taufik as well. I mean, the guy does not even try anymore; I don't considering entering a tournament then quit because of stamina-related problems. He shouldn't even enter anymore tournament if he keeps on doing this.

If it's really injury then I don't blame him. But then you can't just claim injury-related problem too many times either. Just rest up and wait until his condition improves because he's just wasting PBSI's time and money when it can be spent on younger players with more potential (Taufik aint getting any better while the youngsters like Simon Santoso can improve).
..(sorry, i'm just keeping these comments)..
well, this is what me and a few other BC/BFers(ie. badMania) have mentioned(numerous times) earlier...Esp. abt the part i've highlighted in bold above..In a way, you can say, Taufik is participating in all these BWFs events/tourneys just to "show face"...esp. now, whether he wins or loses, it seems like it's not too important anymore...:p

Abt indra, well, as i've mentioned a while back, during the recent HK Open, he's probably just supporting and voicing his fanfare for Taufik most likely out of "blind optimism"..:p..meaning, (this might sound a bit extreme) that even if Taufik is playing on 1 leg, or say Taufik is clearly out of shape, indra will most likely still say something like, "Taufik will surely win, no one can defeat him, Taufik will finally show who is the real boss etc."...hehehe:rolleyes: :p :) :D ;)

[ctjcad]

if for a canadian, he/she has to pay airfare + room + meals.
if pbsi pays TH expense and TH get to keep his booty, then showing up is worth it, and stay long enough to play those matches that he has a chance to collect more booty.:D His principle is, if he can't win, why play and sweat it? I dont understand TH fans, TH surely isnt playing badminton for them
..hmm, i thought badMania mentioned in another post that for this World Cup event, all the participants' expenses are paid for by the organizers??...So, most likely not even PBSI chipped in for his participation in the World Cup...correct me if i'm wrong, badMania..:p ;)

[virusvoodoo]

TH walkover is also unfair to all other advancing participants too.
If LD or any other players that TH afraid to meet, LD et al has one match less to play, therefore, less tired going into next match. This is really unfair to the next player facing LD coz he had to fight hard with bruises to advance and now has to play a rested player like lin dan. It would take a miracle to beat a rested Lin dan when ur already nearly tapped out. TH diberate W/O distorts the tournament fair play.

Exactly! Lee Chong Wei may have won if LD & TH plays each other and tired themselves out before going to the finals. Lee Chong Wei had a marathon match against the young rising star of China, Chen Jin, yet he managed to stretched Lin Dan, who (thanked to TH) received one full day to rest, to a full 3 close sets.

This is why my hat goes off to people like Lee Chong Wei, Kenneth Jonassen, and Peter Gade. They will always fight until the end and never regret anything. I love their wonderful effort and fighting spirit that they put into every match they play.

[cooler]

..hmm, i thought badMania mentioned in another post that for this World Cup event, all the participants' expenses are paid for by the organizers??...So, most likely not even PBSI chipped in for his participation in the World Cup...correct me if i'm wrong, badMania..:p ;)oh ok. Then it's a nice vacation for Mr and Mrs Hidayat:) I wonder if sponsors would fund TH again if he just show up and move around for couple of matches.

[Baderz_Jas]

:crying: :crying: :crying: FHF/CY lost :crying: :crying: :crying: not again :( :( :(
so did Gao/Zhang :( oh well, this is only invitational! :D :p :o ;)
hope they do will well in Doha in December! :D :cool:

[Baderz_Jas]

btw, thanks for the commentating guys! :D ;) :)

[ctjcad]

oh ok. Then it's a nice vacation for Mr and Mrs Hidayat:) I wonder if sponsors would fund TH again if he just show up and move around for couple of matches.
..sorry, here's the link to the info from badMania :
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37333&page=13
(last post #225)..;)

[Han]

Doesn't matter we like or hate Tuafik, when Taufik play we won't miss watching :D

[zqloy]

Glad that Lin and Tazari won their match today.
Lin got fantastic power smash.

Anyone know if Lin is a nice guy? My impression of him is not very good.

Why is that? He seems alright to me, hv u met him in person? :rolleyes:

[badMania]

..hmm, i thought badMania mentioned in another post that for this World Cup event, all the participants' expenses are paid for by the organizers??...So, most likely not even PBSI chipped in for his participation in the World Cup...correct me if i'm wrong, badMania..:p ;)

Indeed....PBSI sent those players because they have been INVITED to the tournament, so, no additional costs from PBSI's side. Hotel and airfares bills were paid by the organizers. The only things PBSi has to pay is the small per-diem pocket money for each player.

The players are there to gain some extra income. Look, there's not even any coach from PBSI's side...so...that tells you something right?

[byelnats]

Oh yeah, I was wondering about that too. Usually there will be Herry (or Ko Herry as BadMania calls him) or Mulyo taking down notes and telling the players what to do. I see none of them today. So this is basically treasure hunting, huh?

[elwin81]

Why is that? He seems alright to me, hv u met him in person? :rolleyes:

I think Lin doesn't have good sportmanship. In Madrid, after the match between the danes in QF, Lin asked Tazari to walk off without shaking hands as Lin is not happy with a number of calls in the last set.

[Malaysianfan]

I think Lin doesn't have good sportmanship. In Madrid, after the match between the danes in QF, Lin asked Tazari to walk off without shaking hands as Lin is not happy with a number of calls in the last set.

Nope, it was Rexy who asked them to do so.Rexy said that.

[elwin81]

Nope, it was Rexy who asked them to do so.Rexy said that.

Really? where do you get this news? And why??? :confused:

[Malaysianfan]

Really? where do you get this news? And why??? :confused:

Read in the news. Rexy was not satisfied with the service judge.

[elwin81]

Read in the news. Rexy was not satisfied with the service judge.

Ok, so it's not Lin's fault.
But it is not very nice to do that.