very good comment abt taufik :)

[taufik-ist]

i've read many 'bad' comments abt taufik, "he's afraid to meet lin dan.. bla..bla", "he flew away from lion dan...... bla..bla..bla" :D

i think the comment below is the best answer abt taufik :rolleyes: :cool:

from
sully, US

"Hey Guys! calm down a bit will ya! I understand it's upsetting that TH just withdrew like that, but I think TH has been treated a bit unfair..
Deceiving himself by turning blind to the fact is a picture of a TRUE LOSER. A loser like that would never make the tough journey to become a professional or even a great player like him.

Unlike his fans, TH always admitted his lost with no excuses despite that he tried his best. He also admitted that LD is the current World's best player. Through these facts, I don't think TH is worried about his image after all. A good reason would be cuz TH knows that he is among the top players in the world who always have a chance to beat each other.

Therefore,
It's less likely that TH withdrew cuz he's afraid of his image losing again. It's more likely that he's really injured.."

[ants]

a very good comment indeed. :)

[cooler]

i've read many 'bad' comments abt taufik, "he's afraid to meet lin dan.. bla..bla", "he flew away from lion dan...... bla..bla..bla" :D

i think the comment below is the best answer abt taufik :rolleyes: :cool:

from
sully, US

"Hey Guys! calm down a bit will ya! I understand it's upsetting that TH just withdrew like that, but I think TH has been treated a bit unfair..
Deceiving himself by turning blind to the fact is a picture of a TRUE LOSER. A loser like that would never make the tough journey to become a professional or even a great player like him.

Unlike his fans, TH always admitted his lost with no excuses despite that he tried his best. He also admitted that LD is the current World's best player. Through these facts, I don't think TH is worried about his image after all. A good reason would be cuz TH knows that he is among the top players in the world who always have a chance to beat each other.

Therefore,
It's less likely that TH withdrew cuz he's afraid of his image losing again. It's more likely that he's really injured.."

the 3rd concluding paragraph is unconnected to the previous paragraphs. Unless sully is a certified physician who examined TH, it's just more excuse from another taufik fan imitated as a logical conclusion to put it mildly:rolleyes: Sugar coated excuse is still an excuse. Sully needed a serious deprogramming fixup

[taufik-ist]

the 3rd concluding paragraph is unconnected to the previous paragraphs. Unless sully is a certified physician who examined TH, it's just more excuse from another taufik fan imitated as a logical conclusion:rolleyes: Sugar coated excuse is still an excuse. Sully needed a serious deprogramming fixup

it's just invitational tournament, its not a big deal to lose here :D

let's see in DOHA .... OK :D :D :D

[2cents]

it's just invitational tournament, its not a big deal to lose here :D

let's see in DOHA .... OK :D :D :D

Sounds familiar :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah, Taufik said that during the Thomas cup, he said, its not a big deal to lose at Thomas cup, let's see in WC ... OK :D :D :D

[2cents]

It's less likely that TH withdrew cuz he's afraid of his image losing again. It's more likely that he's really injured.."

Actually, Taufik said, he's just too tired :crying:

Go Taufik, Go, but not Go home :D

[Rainofserenity]

Hmm.. He withdrew.. maybe there are problems at home? who knows.. Just give the guy a break.. hahahaha. People these days are soo hardcore. :P

[byelnats]

Let's just wait and see in Doha. Taufik said that it was his target, so he should not withdraw unless he has a REALLY valid reason. Hell, he might play even if he is injured in Doha.

[vip_m]

Putting myself in Taufik's place, having won the Olympics, the World Championship, having been world number 1, junior number 1 as well as a host of other accomplishments, I'd be hard-pressed to be bothered with losing 'cuz I'd have nothing left to prove.

I think Taufik has already accomplished what he set out to accomplish, so his biggest "problem" now is motivating himself to play his best.

If I were him, I'd just play to reach my full potential--that'd be my motivation. 'Cuz he has the money, the accomplishments, there's nothing left materially to motivate him.

[qwertyu]

Taufik is a turtle who like to hide inside its shell and think he is still the best.

[cooler]

Putting myself in Taufik's place, having won the Olympics, the World Championship, having been world number 1, junior number 1 as well as a host of other accomplishments, I'd be hard-pressed to be bothered with losing 'cuz I'd have nothing left to prove.

I think Taufik has already accomplished what he set out to accomplish, so his biggest "problem" now is motivating himself to play his best.

If I were him, I'd just play to reach my full potential--that'd be my motivation. 'Cuz he has the money, the accomplishments, there's nothing left materially to motivate him.
so why show up?
so why even play?
so why put effort against certain players and when it come to LD, the motivation is gone? Maybe LD give taufik the stomach ache.

[taufik-ist]

Actually, Taufik said, he's just too tired :crying:

Go Taufik, Go, but not Go home :D

ya.. i was surprised taufik played 3 tournaments in a row, becos that was the first time for taufik, i think he was just interesting with performance-fee :D

and i believe 101% taufik will do his best in doha and he'd rather die on court than WAlK OVER :D

[cooler]

ya.. i was surprised taufik played 3 tournaments in a row, becos that was the first time for taufik, i think he was just interesting with performance-fee :D

and i believe 101% taufik will do his best in doha and he'd rather die on court than WAlK OVER :Du forgot taufik's fans own words, TH is unpredictable and yet taufik fans keep making predictions:p

[kemana]

He has ups and downs, just enjoy his games.

[ssuly]

taufik-ist, thanks for regarding my opinion!:D although u spelled my name wrong, supposed to be ssuly:p

well, on that post I just want to point out that taufik doesn't think that he is superior or something! the facts prove it! I hope u guys are not confused between the fan's mind and the player's mind!

Taufik himself just regards himself as any other top players who always have a chance to beat each other! he admits his opponent greatness even when he lost! again this is from the facts.

I just wanna add that if TH really fakes the reason of his withdrawal, it must be because he doesn't wanna lose the fourth time in a row against chinese just before the AG. TH just wanna protect his confidence as a top player a little bit (not to protect his superiority or anything). And I think that is acceptable guys, he is a human after all.

[cooler]

taufik-ist, thanks for regarding my opinion!:D although u spelled my name wrong, supposed to be ssuly:p

well, on that post I just want to point out that taufik doesn't think that he is superior or something! the facts prove it! I hope u guys are not confused between the fan's mind and the player's mind!

Taufik himself just regards himself as any other top players who always have a chance to beat each other! he admits his opponent greatness even when he lost! again this is from the facts.

I just wanna add that if TH really fakes the reason of his withdrawal, it must be because he doesn't wanna lose the fourth time in a row against chinese just before the AG. TH just wanna protect his confidence as a top player a little bit (not to protect his superiority or anything). And I think that is acceptable guys, he is a human after all.

err, i thot the original reason for TH W/O was injury related:
" Therefore, It's less likely that TH withdrew cuz he's afraid of his image losing again. It's more likely that he's really injured.."

my suggestion to TH diehard fans: quit while you are ahead. Your hero does! :p:D:cool:

[DinkAlot]

u forgot taufik's fans own words, TH is unpredictable and yet taufik fans keep making predictions:p

LMAO! This has got to be one of the best posts of the year. :p

[ssuly]

err, i thot the original reason for TH W/O was injury related:
" Therefore, It's less likely that TH withdrew cuz he's afraid of his image losing again. It's more likely that he's really injured.."

my suggestion to TH diehard fans: quit while you are ahead. Your hero does! :p:D:cool:
Oh, I changed my mind on that after thinking a bit more reasonable.;)
So, it's more reasonable that he just want to protect his confidence a bit, not his superiority. Facts never speak that TH himself think he is superior. TH's fans spoke so.:D

[DinkAlot]

err, i thot the original reason for TH W/O was injury related:
" Therefore, It's less likely that TH withdrew cuz he's afraid of his image losing again. It's more likely that he's really injured.."

my suggestion to TH diehard fans: quit while you are ahead. Your hero does! :p:D:cool:

ROTFLMAO!!! This also gets a vote for post of the year. Paul, you are on a roll! :)

[ssuly]

u guys r wrong if u think i'm that kind of TH fans..:D
I'm just someone in pursuit of the real truth and justice..:cool:

[phaarix]

I like Taufik (but I wouldn't call myself a "diehard fan"), I think he's cool and he's my favourite player to watch (except most of the times he plays LD :p). But I can see why some people don't like him, or his personality. It's fine to have your own opinion but don't attack other's.

Cooler I can see the humour in your posts but they are a bit provocative :cool:.

[baihaki_as]

ohh his walk out against lin dan is very cool, i think from the beginning of badminton i never know a kind of players like taufik.

but lin dan ah rudy hartono is better than him, in marketing languange taufik makes a different, that's why i really like him, lin dan just another great player in badminton history in his age, so what the special or the different of lin dan

[bananaboy]

Cooler I can see the humour in your posts but they are a bit provocative :cool:.

Yet, he speaks the truth.:p

Basically Taufik needed a break from losing... Imagine trying to win the next "Big" tournament, with a close to 50% losing record prior to the tournament. Not to mention the fact that so far this year he only beat BCL outside of Indo once, and beat BCL and CY in Indo-Open. All the other times, he played a CHN player = loss.:eek: How's that for a confidence booster?:p So I appaulse him for doing what's right for "HIM" only!!! Time to go home and prepare... maybe he should find that "motivation" at the end of the rainbow or somewhere so he can perform better at the Asian games.:p

[bananaboy]

ohh his walk out against lin dan is very cool, i think from the beginning of badminton i never know a kind of players like taufik.

but lin dan ah rudy hartono is better than him, in marketing languange taufik makes a different, that's why i really like him, lin dan just another great player in badminton history in his age, so what the special or the different of lin dan
Then Nike should really sponsor him, especially when he chooses to walk out in the middle of a match, and a giant slogan will appear on the big screen which says "JUST DO IT" !!!:D

By the way, I believe I can do a walk-out against any top player, too... would you feel that I am cool as well???

[Baderz_Jas]

good comment! :D ;) :)

[Simp84]

To those who keep on critisizing Taufik, how did you know he wasn't injured?

If you watch the match against Chen Hong don't forget he still has a back injury because he was wearing a wasit support.. in fact he has been wearing that ever since he returned in 2006... and back ache doesn't go away in few months it haunts u for life pretty much, trust me...
The 3rd game he took off his knee guard probably trying to reduce restriction in movement to try his best to beat CH... Shows that he gave everything he has to beat CH and doesn't hold back
And finally theres a moment in 3rd game where he was just standing still bending over, hands on his knee and didn't attempt to move for a while, do you think that was just an act? I dont think so, thats probably a sign of back injury attacking... Taufik doesn't need to act, he is very frank, he praises his opponent when he lose.. he knows LD is better at the moment why wont u people accept that he withdrew for the sake of his health and move on with life.

[phaarix]

By the way, I believe I can do a walk-out against any top player, too... would you feel that I am cool as well???
Why do you people always tend to pick on the small points of my posts :rolleyes:? I never, never said I think everything he does is cool. I think he's just a cool person. Please note the "I think", as it's rather important here too. I don't know where you got the idea that I think he's cool based on his actions in the HKO, I just like him, is that a crime :rolleyes:? Taufik has his faults just like everyone else. I just happen to take them with a grain of salt :cool: (remember - emphasis on "I").


he knows LD is better at the moment why wont u people accept that he withdrew for the sake of his health and move on with life.
It's amazing how people completely ignore the fact that he stated Lin Dan is better than him when they make their accusations of Taufik being too arrogant to accept a loss. Taufik definitely has an issue with Lin Dan, but the way I see it, it's not a superiority thing.

I just wish people would stop with the accusations... it's ok to discuss and debate of course. Surely it's not all that hard. Taking a jab at anyone's "hero" (I wouldn't go so far as to call Taufik my "hero" but I definitely admire his skill) is only going to cause the people in question to retaliate.

[Yudhi]

Let me add something here:

“Saya tidak mengira Chen Jin bermain begitu bagus. Dalam pertandingan selalu ada kalah dan menang. Kali ini saya kalah,” sebut Taufik."

English:
I wasn't expecting Chen Jin to play so well. In a game, there's always a victory and a loss, this time I lost!!

Wow, hard to believe those words came from Taufik's mouth!!! :):):)

Btw, quoted from latest edition of bolanews.com!!

[bananaboy]

Why do you people always tend to pick on the small points of my posts :rolleyes:? I never, never said I think everything he does is cool. I think he's just a cool person. Please note the "I think", as it's rather important here too. I don't know where you got the idea that I think he's cool based on his actions in the HKO, I just like him, is that a crime :rolleyes:? Taufik has his faults just like everyone else. I just happen to take them with a grain of salt :cool: (remember - emphasis on "I").


Is "baihaki_as" your other log-in account? or else I don't even see how I directed my comment toward "you"???:confused:

You are right on the you never, never said "I thing everything he does is cool" because my quoted sentence was not even from your post.:p

Please read carefully before you make silly mistake, even though we all do it at times, but at least try to minimize it.:p

By the way, I am not critizing Taufik here, and just pointing out that he is doing the right thing protecting his confidence in my previous post.. but to baihaki_as whom claimed that it is "cool" to walk out during a match, it is just plain wrong.:p

[smashko]

To me it looks like the Chinese players have figured out some "secret" tactics to beat TH. Just look at their records playing TH this year. I remember reading somewhere that CJ said he was going to aks LD for advices before facing TH in CO. When I watched videos of their games vs TH, I sort of realized that they tried to avoid changllenging TH at the net, instead they played more drives, clears and smashes to keep TH away from the net. And by doing so they have been quite successful in beating TH. That might explain for TH's frustration and pulling out of the WCup. TH (or his coach) really needs to work out some new tactics against these MS Chinese players who are really so strong and dominating at the moment. For the benefit of us badminton fans I want to see more players from other nations challenging the Chinese dominance and make the sport more competitive. What is your thought?

[Simp84]

To me it looks like the Chinese players have figured out some "secret" tactics to beat TH. Just look at their records playing TH this year. I remember reading somewhere that CJ said he was going to aks LD for advices before facing TH in CO. When I watched videos of their games vs TH, I sort of realized that they tried to avoid changllenging TH at the net, instead they played more drives, clears and smashes to keep TH away from the net. And by doing so they have been quite successful in beating TH. That might explain for TH's frustration and pulling out of the WCup. TH (or his coach) really needs to work out some new tactics against these MS Chinese players who are really so strong and dominating at the moment. For the benefit of us badminton fans I want to see more players from other nations challenging the Chinese dominance and make the sport more competitive. What is your thought? Taufik lost due to the fact that he is no longer fit, and his defense skills has evidently deteriorated, he doesn't even attempt to dive for shots nowadays.. whatever reasons it is we dont know.. hopefully he will make a come back in this upcoming Asian games..
By the way... CJ doens't need tips from LD... the Chinese coaches (LYB n ZB) has all the analysis of world top singles player regarding their strong points and their weaknesses all in the stats sheet.. hehe

[hydrocyanic]

Taufik lost due to the fact that he is no longer fit, and his defense skills has evidently deteriorated, he doesn't even attempt to dive for shots nowadays.. whatever reasons it is we dont know.. hopefully he will make a come back in this upcoming Asian games..
By the way... CJ doens't need tips from LD... the Chinese coaches (LYB n ZB) has all the analysis of world top singles player regarding their strong points and their weaknesses all in the stats sheet.. hehe

during an interview, CJ did infact said that he asked tips from LD, CH, BCL to play against TH, as much as CJ didn't need tips, he infact did, happy?

waist injury excuse is ridiculous, if you are injured, simply rest at home, why bother giving sympathy to him if he wants to play to lose? the recent appearance is rather stupid and pointless

[ctjcad]

He has ups and downs, just enjoy his games.
..it's true players/athletes are human beings also, as they have their own ups and downs and make mistakes just like rest of us...
But we're talking abt an (recent) Olympic and World Champs..One who shouldn't have this kind of "i'll prepare myself *only* when i really want to win something" attitude...as a professional athlete(esp. one that is being paid and sponsored), he should perform his duties and responsibilities to the fullest...Look at LinDan, he's already world #1 and won so many titles(much more than Taufik has) yet he's consistent as a player, literally yr in and yr out(ie. still prepares himself and goes all out to win his matches)...In a way, he's always striving for more and more, to be better and better eventhough most if not all the people in the world already acknowledge him as #1....It's a totally different case with Taufik though, who thinks just by winning an Olympic, AG and World Championships golds is more than enough...:p

I think the burning question should be : Does he still have the desire to compete and be on top again? If he still wants to compete and prove he's the best of them all, why can't Taufik be as "hungry" as LinDan??..If he still does, the front door is wide open; but if he doesn't anymore, then the back door is wide open as well..:confused: :rolleyes: :mad: :( :p ;)

[Simp84]

during an interview, CJ did infact said that he asked tips from LD, CH, BCL to play against TH, as much as CJ didn't need tips, he infact did, happy?

Show us the article with quotes from CJ that says that... but I doubt he need advice from other players as the chinese coaches are far better analysist..


waist injury excuse is ridiculous, if you are injured, simply rest at home, why bother giving sympathy to him if he wants to play to lose? the recent appearance is rather stupid and pointless

Time is running out for him as he needs to find out where he stands against strong opponents such as LD, LCW, CH etc.. if he keeps skipping tournaments like late 2005/early 2006 it wont do him any good will it?
Come on, with back injuries u can still play but I can tell you the pain is always there and it really affects your performance.. sometimes there are shots that u will hold back, I know for the fact I have back pain for 2 years that wouldn't go away, and it really restricts your movement when playing badminton...
And no I dont symphatise Taufik, because I know he doesn't need us to do so. But I am arguing from a neutral point of view.. as much as you hate Taufik I know he is a great player who had accomplished many other men singles players failed to do so.. please respect a player's decesion and accept the fact he withdrew for his own sake
Its time to get over things and move on with life seriously, when LD did his infamous act in MO2006, of course i was bashing him quite hard at the start, but I learn to accept his circumstances and try to understand why he did it and finally accepted it was history and move on with life... I think u should do the same

[sshuang90]

Putting myself in Taufik's place, having won the Olympics, the World Championship, having been world number 1, junior number 1 as well as a host of other accomplishments, I'd be hard-pressed to be bothered with losing 'cuz I'd have nothing left to prove.

I think Taufik has already accomplished what he set out to accomplish, so his biggest "problem" now is motivating himself to play his best.

If I were him, I'd just play to reach my full potential--that'd be my motivation. 'Cuz he has the money, the accomplishments, there's nothing left materially to motivate him.

These excuses can only be used if he did not participate, not as he showed up and then fled.

[ctjcad]

Show us the article with quotes from CJ that says that... but I doubt he need advice from other players as the chinese coaches are far better analysist..
sorry to cut in guys, but i can only find 1 source for CJ's comment(s); others can add in as well...actually, it's not a big deal :
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/newscontent.asp?pageid={1881CD66-70D9-41A1-BCDC-2ADDE8B3AA53} (6th paragraph)..;)

[ctjcad]

These excuses can only be used if he did not participate, not as he showed up and then fled.
..i/we all know he's been dealing with his back injury since late last yr/early this yr & we know he acknowledged/mentioned numerous times after his losses that "at the present moment LD is #1 and is the best in the world etc.2", but i think it's also "fitting" if Taufik can come out and frankly say that he simply hasn't been preparing well, if *at all*, for his recent matches/tourneys(ie. HK Open, WC, JO, CO)..:p.Add to that, esp. now being married and all, most likely *at least* half of his priorities are now shifted to his wife..:rolleyes: :p :) ;)

[cooler]

every pro has some sort of injuries, some more some less. I have seen LD wearing one of those waist band before as well. Just because we dont hear about it doesnt mean they dont have injury. Myself and many fans would love to see peter gade, kenneth J, wong choong hann to play too and yet they stay home rather than compete for a match or 2 and walk out, even when they can get 'appearance fee' and maybe additonal money to going to QF which I think they can achieve. If TH fans say TH has no motivation to win, then I only have one conclusion, TH show up because he has motivation for the money (ie. appearance fee). Is this cool to TH fans?

Please correct me if my assumption is wrong.

[Simp84]

every pro has some sort of injuries, some more some less. I have seen LD wearing one of those waist band before as well. Just because we dont hear about it doesnt mean they dont have injury. Myself and many fans would love to see peter gade, kenneth J, wong choong hann to play too and yet they stay home rather than compete for a match or 2 and walk out, even when they can get 'appearance fee' and maybe additonal money to going to QF which I think they can achieve. If TH fans say TH has no motivation to win, then I only have one conclusion, TH show up because he has motivation for the money (ie. appearance fee). Is this cool to TH fans?

Please correct me if my assumption is wrong.
by the way LD's wasn't waist support.. it was more like releaving stick on patch as I recalled in a few occation of his hard matches...

KJ, WCH both have quite severe injuries... they physically cannot walk..
where as back injuries are just annoying you can continue to play, however it could potentially turned into the most serious injuries of all time (paralysis of lower limb) if you go too hard....

ps... who doesn't want money.... lol

[ssuly]

Taufik Hidayat is an undeniably great badminton player. His great and beautiful techniques often catches PEOPLE'S HEARTS even more than other players do. However, some of these people can be too obsessed at him by seeing him as a GOD of Badminton who can't lose at all.

These kind of TH's fans indirectly hurt other player's fans cuz they can't accept that TH lose just like that. That also means that TH's fans do not approve TH's opponent greatness. Therefore, (TH's opponent)'s fans get hurt...:(:(:(
What happens if (TH's opponent)'s fans get hurt? They will try to hurt TH's fans back by saying bad things about TH. TH has nothing to do with all this. TH's fans destroy TH himself.
Some of TH fans think that TH is superior - In fact, TH doesn't think he is superior.
Some of TH fans think that TH doesn't play his best - In fact, TH does play his best.
Some of TH fans think that TH is not motivated to win - In fact, TH is really motivated to win.

Morale:
1. Becoming a great fan of your heros is cool as long as realistic enough, but not like some of TH's fans.
2. Some of TH's fans could be annoying, but that doesn't mean u can disrespect a great player like TH just like that.

:cool: I hope everyone can find peace..;)

[ctjcad]

Taufik Hidayat is an undeniably great badminton player. His great and beautiful techniques often catches PEOPLE'S HEARTS even more than other players do. However, some of these people can be too obsessed at him by seeing him as a GOD of Badminton who can't lose at all.

These kind of TH's fans indirectly hurt other player's fans cuz they can't accept that TH lose just like that. That also means that TH's fans do not approve TH's opponent greatness. Therefore, (TH's opponent)'s fans get hurt...:(:(:(
What happens if (TH's opponent)'s fans get hurt? They will try to hurt TH's fans back by saying bad things about TH. TH has nothing to do with all this. TH's fans destroy TH himself.

Morale:
1. Becoming a great fan of your heros is cool as long as realistic enough, but not like some of TH's fans.
2. Some of TH's fans could be annoying, but that doesn't mean u can disrespect a great player like TH just like that.

:cool: I hope everyone can find peace..;)
ssuly, thanks for your input....i think if you follow all the recent events, threads and posts abt Taufik, they mostly "grew" at or around the recent HK Open incident(It grew more and more as the subsequent tourneys unfolded)..And i believe, all the posts came from *not* only TH's fans (loyal or hard-core), but also from other fans/followers, neutral or not his fans...;) :)

And re your comment abt "However, some of these people can be too obsessed at him by seeing him as a GOD of Badminton who can't lose at all.", i think, probably most of the BC/BF followers here would agree that indra is arguably the most "loyal" or ardent and vocal fan of TH. Then comes taufik-ist and maybe kemana...I mean, if you want prove, check out this thread starter..;):) :D

[cao ci dan]

hmm....not bad comment!!:) i've just check the latest ranking...and TH is world no.12...:eek: that's fast!!

[virusvoodoo]

ssuly, thanks for your input....i think if you follow all the recent events, threads and posts abt Taufik, they mostly "grew" at or around the recent HK Open incident(It grew more and more as the subsequent tourneys unfolded)..And i believe, all the posts came from *not* only TH's fans (loyal or hard-core), but also from other fans/followers, neutral or not his fans...;) :)

And re your comment abt "However, some of these people can be too obsessed at him by seeing him as a GOD of Badminton who can't lose at all.", i think, probably most of the BC/BF followers here would agree that indra is arguably the most "loyal" or ardent and vocal fan of TH. Then comes taufik-ist and maybe kemana...I mean, if you want prove, check out this thread starter..;):) :D

EXACTLY! ctjcad is right! You die-hard Taufik fans regard him as GODLY when he had only achieved three major title (WC, Olympic, Asian Games) when there are other players that achieve way more than he does such as Lin Dan (2xAll England, WC, and over 20-even 30 titles) and that's not fair for these other players to not be recognized.

What's most annoying is that there seem to be an excuse whenever Taufik loses. I haven't seen as much excuses for Lin Dan, Peter Gade, Wong Choong Hann as I have with Taufik Hidayat and all those beside Lin Dan have real injuries/surgeries unlike Taufik's problem of not being "fit". I mean comon now, that's not even a real excuse as it is his fault that he's lazy. Being married is not a valid excuse for him not being in shape as Peter Gade is also married yet he's always keep in himself in top-form; plus he has a daughter as well so Taufik's fans cannot argue with that.

I don't know why you guys still idolize someone that is arrogant, hot-temper, childish, and lazy.

[baihaki_as]

I don't know why you guys still idolize someone that is arrogant, hot-temper, childish, and lazy.

that's why i really like taufik,like i said before taufik is a person in badminton history that maybe show in 100 years once a time look at lin dan he same as alan budi kusuma, zhao jh, jing xi peng, etc,etc but taufik nobody similar as him.

many people said that taufik's fans can't accept taufik loss, haha we accept that taufik lost, even better i like him when he lost, he lost with style not like every other player, the way he loss is very artistic and so does the way he win, i think that's why people who don't like taufik, they hatred more and more, they don't realize that taufik will doing that as much he like it

so don't said taufik is bad player and the fans is arrogant, you just can't enjoy THE WAY OF TAUFIK, and you'll never i said never like taufik if you can't enjoy it

[virusvoodoo]

that's why i really like taufik,like i said before taufik is a person in badminton history that maybe show in 100 years once a time look at lin dan he same as alan budi kusuma, zhao jh, jing xi peng, etc,etc but taufik nobody similar as him.

many people said that taufik's fans can't accept taufik loss, haha we accept that taufik lost, even better i like him when he lost, he lost with style not like every other player, the way he loss is very artistic and so does the way he win, i think that's why people who don't like taufik, they hatred more and more, they don't realize that taufik will doing that as much he like it

so don't said taufik is bad player and the fans is arrogant, you just can't enjoy THE WAY OF TAUFIK, and you'll never i said never like taufik if you can't enjoy it


Oh is it the new trend now, losing with style? Sweet, I got half of it down (the losing part) but I think I can throw a tandrum, give excuses, walk-off the court, lose 15-0 or 21-0 to show that I gave up instead of actually losing so I can "lose with style" just like Taufik. I mean it is tough but I think I can do it too! That damn Lin Dan and everyone else who try to win are fools! :rolleyes:

[baihaki_as]

Oh is it the new trend now, losing with style? Sweet, I got half of it down (the losing part) but I think I can throw a tandrum, give excuses, walk-off the court, lose 15-0 or 21-0 to show that I gave up instead of actually losing so I can "lose with style" just like Taufik. I mean it is tough but I think I can do it too! That damn Lin Dan and everyone else who try to win are fools! :rolleyes:

example like this comment, he doesn't understand the artistic of taufik :D, the different beetwen u loss and taufik loss, taufik is world champion and olympic gold medal, who are u????:D

and don't u see the patern, he just gave up only if he play with lin dan, not with everybody who's beat him, and u know lah who is lin dan:cool:

i realize that taufik is only human, he can't be beaten by everyone like of course so does lin dan, but he made that his lost beautifull, and of course his winning toom don't u see the patern he really give his best abbility in circumstance situation like in singapore (the second home for him), indonesia, olympic, world, don't u remember taufik said when he lost from lcw in malaysia open he said he just want to made malaysia fan's happy:D

"no ofense to other"

[virusvoodoo]

example like this comment, he doesn't understand the artistic of taufik :D, the different beetwen u loss and taufik loss, taufik is world champion and olympic gold medal, who are u????:D

"no ofense to other"

I know! I was being sarcastic about myself if you didn't get my gist so forget the part with myself.

But yeah if you put it that way, it's crazy and foolish of players like Lin Dan, Tony Gunawan, Candra Wijaya, Kim Dong Moon & Ha Tae Kwon to always try and play their best to win when they can be famous for "losing with style" like Taufik. Get how stupid that sounds when I use players who have accomplished much more than Taufik as examples? Just because he won a few big tournaments does not mean that everything he does is great, especially when it's something that stupid as "losing with style"! Look at Tony Gunawan and Kim Dong Moon, they have achieve so much more than your idol yet they acts foolish whenever they are playing in a tournament and some still performs even after their retirement like Tony Gunawan & Candra Wijaya, just always giving their best with a positive attitude and good sportmanship. Listen to how ridiculous that really sounds, "losing with style"...LOL! Get my point?

Another thing with you guys (and I think Taufik as well) is that you guys are riding out these three titles too much (Asian Games, Olympic, WC). As big as they are you have to keep on performing to be regarded as the greatest! Look at the former greats such as Rudy Hartono and Yang Yang as they always put in their best effort in every tournaments until the day they retired. Now those are somethings you can be proud of...their 100% effort, skills, and achievement!

[cao ci dan]

that's why i really like taufik,like i said before taufik is a person in badminton history that maybe show in 100 years once a time look at lin dan he same as alan budi kusuma, zhao jh, jing xi peng, etc,etc but taufik nobody similar as him.

many people said that taufik's fans can't accept taufik loss, haha we accept that taufik lost, even better i like him when he lost, he lost with style not like every other player, the way he loss is very artistic and so does the way he win, i think that's why people who don't like taufik, they hatred more and more, they don't realize that taufik will doing that as much he like it

so don't said taufik is bad player and the fans is arrogant, you just can't enjoy THE WAY OF TAUFIK, and you'll never i said never like taufik if you can't enjoy it
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[phaarix]

Is "baihaki_as" your other log-in account? or else I don't even see how I directed my comment toward "you"???:confused:

You are right on the you never, never said "I thing everything he does is cool" because my quoted sentence was not even from your post.:p

Please read carefully before you make silly mistake, even though we all do it at times, but at least try to minimize it.:p

By the way, I am not critizing Taufik here, and just pointing out that he is doing the right thing protecting his confidence in my previous post.. but to baihaki_as whom claimed that it is "cool" to walk out during a match, it is just plain wrong.:p
Ah yes, I see what you mean now (in my defense I did post that very late at night :p). But I thought that Baihaki was also making a sarcastic comment towards me :). Therefore I thought you were posting in agreement with him. See what I mean :D? Sorry, I wasn't so much pointing towards you with what I said about accusations. The posts I meant were mainly in other threads. Sorry for the confusion but I stick by the majority of what I posted regardless of who it's directed at :).

[bananaboy]

example like this comment, he doesn't understand the artistic of taufik :D, the different beetwen u loss and taufik loss, taufik is world champion and olympic gold medal, who are u????:D

and don't u see the patern, he just gave up only if he play with lin dan, not with everybody who's beat him, and u know lah who is lin dan:cool:

i realize that taufik is only human, he can't be beaten by everyone like of course so does lin dan, but he made that his lost beautifull, and of course his winning toom don't u see the patern he really give his best abbility in circumstance situation like in singapore (the second home for him), indonesia, olympic, world, don't u remember taufik said when he lost from lcw in malaysia open he said he just want to made malaysia fan's happy:D

"no ofense to other"

Can you tell us what kind of drug are you smoking there?:confused:
"The way of Taufik":confused::confused::eek: so now everyone expects Taufik to lose in every tournament, then display his "beauty-ness".:eek:

As far as losing in Malaysia Open just to make the fans happy... I have got two words for you... "BULL S*IT"

I guess it is much easier for us non-professional badminton players to follow the "way of Taufik" than the "way of Lin Dan", since most of us can perform a beautiful loss much easier than a beautiful win and show off some 6-packs afterwards.:p

[Baderz_Jas]

I guess it is much easier for us non-professional badminton players to follow the "way of Taufik" than the "way of Lin Dan", since most of us can perform a beautiful loss much easier than a beautiful win and show off some 6-packs afterwards.:p

:D :D :D 'six-pack' ;) ;) ;) lol... :cool: :eek:

[Baderz_Jas]

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me too! :D ;) :p just joking :D :p 'the way Taufik loss is very artistic' :eek: :confused:
lol :D

[cooler]

Can you tell us what kind of drug are you smoking there?:confused:
"The way of Taufik":confused::confused::eek: so now everyone expects Taufik to lose in every tournament, then display his "beauty-ness".:eek:

As far as losing in Malaysia Open just to make the fans happy... I have got two words for you... "BULL S*IT"

I guess it is much easier for us non-professional badminton players to follow the "way of Taufik" than the "way of Lin Dan", since most of us can perform a beautiful loss much easier than a beautiful win and show off some 6-packs afterwards.:p

lin dan lost twice, in the final, to LCW in Malaysia Open. I think LD is way more GENEROUS to the malaysian fans than taufik because taufik only 'gave up' only once and that's wasn't even MS final. Yet, LD's gifts were not recognized but instead labeled as arrogant:rolleyes:

[virusvoodoo]

that's why i really like taufik,like i said before taufik is a person in badminton history that maybe show in 100 years once a time look at lin dan he same as alan budi kusuma, zhao jh, jing xi peng, etc,etc but taufik nobody similar as him.

many people said that taufik's fans can't accept taufik loss, haha we accept that taufik lost, even better i like him when he lost, he lost with style not like every other player, the way he loss is very artistic and so does the way he win, i think that's why people who don't like taufik, they hatred more and more, they don't realize that taufik will doing that as much he like it

so don't said taufik is bad player and the fans is arrogant, you just can't enjoy THE WAY OF TAUFIK, and you'll never i said never like taufik if you can't enjoy it

It is arrogant player like Taufik and the stupid & corrupted PBSI officials and also the Indonesian government who are killing the Indonesian badminton as they are not giving a chance to other players. They spent a whole lot of money on Taufik this year and he only won the Indonesian Open when he wasted the rest, especially with the Hong Kong Open incident since he did not even try at all. Taufik does not seem to care or try his best anymore so I still don't understand why they continue to spoil him. They could have used this money to sponsor current players and/or upcoming players so that Indonesian badminton would continue to grow but instead they throw their money away betting on Taufik in every tournament knowing that his chances of winning are slim as he had not been practicing much.

And you wonder why great players such as Tony Gunawan, who have achieved way more than Taufik, left the Indonesian team? It's because they know they don't get anything as players and much less when they retire and start coaching in Indonesia since a good portion of this fund is spent on stupid things like spoiling Taufik. I think they need to change their ways or better yet fired those stupid PBSI officials and start hiring new ones who can better improve Indonesian badminton.

[Monster]

baihaki_as : You sound like a terrorist....

[ctjcad]

It is arrogant player like Taufik and the stupid & corrupted PBSI officials and also the Indonesian government who are killing the Indonesian badminton as they are not giving a chance to other players. They spent a whole lot of money on Taufik this year and he only won the Indonesian Open when he wasted the rest, especially with the Hong Kong Open incident since he did not even try at all. Taufik does not seem to care or try his best anymore so I still don't understand why they continue to spoil him. They could have used this money to sponsor current players and/or upcoming players so that Indonesian badminton would continue to grow but instead they throw their money away betting on Taufik in every tournament knowing that his chances of winning are slim as he had not been practicing much.

And you wonder why great players such as Tony Gunawan, who have achieved way more than Taufik, left the Indonesian team? It's because they know they don't get anything as players and much less when they retire and start coaching in Indonesia since a good portion of this fund is spent on stupid things like spoiling Taufik. I think they need to change their ways or better yet fired those stupid PBSI officials and start hiring new ones who can better improve Indonesian badminton.
...hehe, (i've mentioned this before), but let's hope, for the sake of everyone involve, that Taufik himself will not step up to join the ranks..hmmm..And esp. the thought of Taufik running the show, wow, imagine if that would happen?!?!..BTW, i guess the "Punish & Reward" system is no longer in effect...:rolleyes: :p :( :D ;)

**Don't know if mods might move this thread to the Professional Players sub-forum??..

[JasonMichael]

I think alot of people here think hate taufik... because he's lazy, arrogant, thinks he is the best blah blah blah... just 2 days ago, I downloaded the match between chen hong and Taufik in the invitational world cup, I didnt see him being lazy, or arrogant or being cocky when he met chen hong. Even when he lost to chen hong, he gave chen hong a pat of on the back. and from watching the video, I think Taufik didnt hold back and played very well even though he lost, but I could see him holding his back, maybe due to over stressing..
I think some of the comments on taufik are over exaggerated. I think if he were to read some of this posts, the beauty in his game will be gone and he will have a very cold cold strategy winning the game at all costs just like Lin Dan. Cool! we'll have zombie players of winning the game at all costs, if not just kill the opponent!! And we'll have zombie supporters just rooting for them for their evil ways! but hey, the way I see it, 99% of the fans are rooting for Lin Dan to win... We'll go ahead Lin Dan, Make them proud!!! you deserve fans like them. that's what makes you # 1, right???

[cooler]

I think alot of people here think hate taufik... because he's lazy, arrogant, thinks he is the best blah blah blah... just 2 days ago, I downloaded the match between chen hong and Taufik in the invitational world cup, I didnt see him being lazy, or arrogant or being cocky when he met chen hong. Even when he lost to chen hong, he gave chen hong a pat of on the back. and from watching the video, I think Taufik didnt hold back and played very well even though he lost, but I could see him holding his back, maybe due to over stressing..
I think some of the comments on taufik are over exaggerated. I think if he were to read some of this posts, the beauty in his game will be gone and he will have a very cold cold strategy winning the game at all costs just like Lin Dan. Cool! we'll have zombie players of winning the game at all costs, if not just kill the opponent!! And we'll have zombie supporters just rooting for them for their evil ways! but hey, the way I see it, 99% of the fans are rooting for Lin Dan to win... We'll go ahead Lin Dan, Make them proud!!! you deserve fans like them. that's what makes you # 1, right???on the contrary, neither LD nor LD fans are zombies. LD is #1 because he wins lots and lots of titles, against all kinds of oponents and not the selected ones, and never had yet been penalized by BWF, unlike TH. We LD fans didn't said TH is arrogant 100% every minutes of his life. So TH tries to win against chen hong and failed and he didn't walk out or throws a fit or smash his racket, does that makes TH a saint? So should we give TH applauses for behaving normally in the the chen hong match?

[bananaboy]

I think alot of people here think hate taufik... because he's lazy, arrogant, thinks he is the best blah blah blah... just 2 days ago, I downloaded the match between chen hong and Taufik in the invitational world cup, I didnt see him being lazy, or arrogant or being cocky when he met chen hong. Even when he lost to chen hong, he gave chen hong a pat of on the back. and from watching the video, I think Taufik didnt hold back and played very well even though he lost, but I could see him holding his back, maybe due to over stressing..
I think some of the comments on taufik are over exaggerated. I think if he were to read some of this posts, the beauty in his game will be gone and he will have a very cold cold strategy winning the game at all costs just like Lin Dan. Cool! we'll have zombie players of winning the game at all costs, if not just kill the opponent!! And we'll have zombie supporters just rooting for them for their evil ways! but hey, the way I see it, 99% of the fans are rooting for Lin Dan to win... We'll go ahead Lin Dan, Make them proud!!! you deserve fans like them. that's what makes you # 1, right???

According to what you posted... if the "beauty of the game" should be the main focus... then why do every single tournament keep a "score-board" when winning is not important???

Zombie supporters that support a winner like LD??? It's hard to find lots of people whom will support losers that keep getting owned by everyone else.:p If you are looking for "beauty of the game", I suggest you watch some figure skating or something similar.:p

[other]

I think if he were to read some of this posts, the beauty in his game will be gone and he will have a very cold cold strategy winning the game at all costs just like Lin Dan. Cool! we'll have zombie players of winning the game at all costs, if not just kill the opponent!! And we'll have zombie supporters just rooting for them for their evil ways! but hey, the way I see it, 99% of the fans are rooting for Lin Dan to win... We'll go ahead Lin Dan, Make them proud!!! you deserve fans like them. that's what makes you # 1, right???

zombie players? killing the opponent?
Does that involve running them around the court until they give up :p

so Lin Dan is a zombie player? and has evil ways?:rolleyes:

[TrueBlue]

i think the tournaments are more interesting with taufik than without. and i think many posters who complain about his behaviours spend some freetime to comment about him:crying:

[cooler]

i think the tournaments are more interesting with taufik than without. and i think many posters who complain about his behaviours spend some freetime to comment about him:crying:
Well, fights in hockey are interesting too and attracts 'certain' type of fans. What puzzles me is those interesting things that TH does are considered 'arts' by some taufik fans, and taufik fans use 'artistic' ways to explains TH's lost and mis-behaviors. LD fans too do like watching TH plays, to lose in artistic ways:D Too bad he walks out the most interestiing matches, like against LD.

[JasonMichael]

on the contrary, neither LD nor LD fans are zombies. LD is #1 because he wins lots and lots of titles, against all kinds of oponents and not the selected ones, and never had yet been penalized by BWF, unlike TH. We LD fans didn't said TH is arrogant 100% every minutes of his life. So TH tries to win against chen hong and failed and he didn't walk out or throws a fit or smash his racket, does that makes TH a saint? So should we give TH applauses for behaving normally in the the chen hong match?

ok sorry for calling LD a zombie... ssheeshh... Im not even an indonesian... I'm not calling TH a saint.... I dont believe in sainthood... LD not penalised before? maybe not from BWF... but during malaysian open 2006 final against LCW, he got a red card at the final point. TH doesnt need applauses for behaving normally. He just has to be himself, which he always has been that way. I think everyone has a right to be themselves regardless of fans expectations.

[bananaboy]

TH doesnt need applauses for behaving normally. He just has to be himself, which he always has been that way. I think everyone has a right to be themselves regardless of fans expectations.
I guess that's the kind of thinking Mike Tyson had when he decided to bite someone's ear during his boxing championship match.:p

Yet, with that kind of thinking, people still blame LD for throwing his own racket, and refused to put something on "HIS OWN HEAD" during Malaysia open... LD was just being himself, too.:confused:

[JasonMichael]

According to what you posted... if the "beauty of the game" should be the main focus... then why do every single tournament keep a "score-board" when winning is not important???

Zombie supporters that support a winner like LD??? It's hard to find lots of people whom will support losers that keep getting owned by everyone else.:p If you are looking for "beauty of the game", I suggest you watch some figure skating or something similar.:p


hey bananaboy!!! I know you only like to see the end results! I would like good end results too!!! for me, badminton is not just about end results. I dont really care how you see a game, but for me its not just about end results, but how you get there.
and sorry for calling LD a Zombie... that was too harsh a word on him... LD is a great champion... but I dont think he is the greatest.
You calling TH a loser???? maybe you call everyone else besides lin dan and Roger federer a loser...
f.u. I have been playing badminton for almost 20 years. Please dont tell me to go watch figure skating as a replacement for badminton. I really dont need your input on this. its just my personal opinion.

[cooler]

bananaboy, no need to reply to JM's last post. You don't want to sink yourself to his level.;) He had shown his 'artistic' ways as well. Don't want this fun thread closed either;)

[DinkAlot]

bananaboy, no need to reply to JM's last post. You don't want to sink yourself to his level.;) He had shown his 'artistic' ways as well. Don't want this fun thread closed either;)

It's gotten to the point where it needs to be closed. :(

[JasonMichael]

I guess that's the kind of thinking Mike Tyson had when he decided to bite someone's ear during his boxing championship match.:p

Yet, with that kind of thinking, people still blame LD for throwing his own racket, and refused to put something on "HIS OWN HEAD" during Malaysia open... LD was just being himself, too.:confused:

That's it??? you can only compare Mike Tyson's story of biting someone's ear off to Taufik's walking off the court or throwing away the game? can you be more constructive than that??? never mind... I dont want to hear about it.
It will just be something cynical.

LD refusing to put something on HIS own head IN Malaysia was bad... He shouldnt have come to malaysia at all with that kind of arrogance as it will only infuriate the locals as this is their culture all the while.

[JasonMichael]

bananaboy, no need to reply to JM's last post. You don't want to sink yourself to his level.;) He had shown his 'artistic' ways as well. Don't want this fun thread closed either;)

I didnt know there was levels I could sink so that I could be under somebody..
for your information, I am not that artistic. but maybe you are also sarcastic in the way you put it. I am only stating my point of view... and sorry... but i'm not an extremist or a terrorist. I will leave if there was nothing constructive that came out of it. sorry for all this.
Lin Dan... you are the best!!! muahahahha

[virusvoodoo]

I think alot of people here think hate taufik... because he's lazy, arrogant, thinks he is the best blah blah blah... just 2 days ago, I downloaded the match between chen hong and Taufik in the invitational world cup, I didnt see him being lazy, or arrogant or being cocky when he met chen hong. Even when he lost to chen hong, he gave chen hong a pat of on the back. and from watching the video, I think Taufik didnt hold back and played very well even though he lost, but I could see him holding his back, maybe due to over stressing..
I think some of the comments on taufik are over exaggerated. I think if he were to read some of this posts, the beauty in his game will be gone and he will have a very cold cold strategy winning the game at all costs just like Lin Dan. Cool! we'll have zombie players of winning the game at all costs, if not just kill the opponent!! And we'll have zombie supporters just rooting for them for their evil ways! but hey, the way I see it, 99% of the fans are rooting for Lin Dan to win... We'll go ahead Lin Dan, Make them proud!!! you deserve fans like them. that's what makes you # 1, right???


No it's not that we hate him but more like we are dissappointed with his attitudes and sometimes behaviors. Many of us know that Taufik is capable of demonstration the highest quality of badminton yet he rarely shows us his true form. I know he was trying in the games (WC'06, China Open) against Chen Hong and Lin Dan (Japan Open up until 3rd set) but we are talking about his effort regularly in practices & tournaments.

It is shown that he hasn't been practicing or conditioning as often as before WC'05 through his awful form. And these past recent tournaments are not the only evidence we see Taufik's carelessness attitude. An example from the top of my head is the Malaysian Open 2005 (???) where it is said that he got drunk the night before he plays Lee Chong Wei thus resulting in a devastating loss of 15-0 / 15-1 or something like that.

Don't get me wrong because I still like Taufik over Lin Dan overall but these behaviors and attitudes that kinda sadden me since he should show more qualities that of great sport legends. To me, Lin Dan is great in that he always put 100% effort whenever he plays and his great mental strength but his arrogant attitude and sportmanship are very poor. Taufik in this sense is better as he has almost always shown good sportmanship and he's only arrogant against Lin Dan. If he matures himself and put in great effort like Peter Gade, Lee Chong Wei, Wong Choong Hann, and Kenneth Jonassen, he wouldn't get any complaint from me.

To clarify this, I don't really mind that he isn't winning much but just wish that he can be more like those players when it comes to trying his best on court. But I'm pretty sure when he does this, he'll start winning more thus giving us fans and spectators more excitement and enjoyment when watching his games.

Remember pros are made famous because of the fans and spectators as we show them great support by watching them; Taufik along with many other pros wouldn't have their fame if it wasn't for us fans. The main reason why they are endorsed is because they bring in crowds of spectators and fans. And if they weren't sponsored they would not have any chance to play since they would need to work to earn a living instead unless they are already rich but that is usually never the case.

[ssuly]

don't u guys ever REALIZE that this comment about TH is just a matter of different paradigms? (paradigm: the way u view something mostly based on your value and vanity) Therefore, these comments are not based on a solid ground. Their truth is really in doubt.

A simple example how different paradigms work:
If a man steal your money, what do you think of him??
a negative paradigm: he is such a bad guy.
a positive paradigm: if he doesn't steal, can he lives on? --> he's not really a bad guy.
Then, is he truly a bad guy or not? saying that he's such a bad guy because of your feelings after ur money lost is not based on a good reason and facts. The positive paradigm is closer to the truth cuz it's at least based on a good reasoning.

Now back to the real problems about TH...

1. why TH only wins big tournament?
a negative paradigm: he's lazy.
a positive paradigm: he has his own goals and expectations that we've to respect.
The truth (based on good reasoning and facts): if he's lazy how the hell he makes it to a great player that needs extreme hardwork. However, the facts say that he is a very talented one, that would be a good reason why he has quite extreme goals and expectations.

2. why did he walk off the court?
a negative paradigm: he's bad tempered, childish, etc
a positive paradigm: he loses in style, artistic, etc
The truth: The facts say that he's a bit bad tempered, he also hit a spectator once. And how does losing in style sound??? It's not based on a good reason at all.

3. Some people also says that TH is arrogant, thinks highly of himself, etc.
The truth: The facts say that TH admits the greatness of his opponent. TH also regards himself as one of Top players who could beat each other. Therefore, TH doesn't think highly of himself and no arrogance of him spotted.

Conclusion on truth about TH (based on facts and reasoning):

TH is a great and talented badminton player. Because of his talent, he has different expectations than most of players (only win big tournaments). He's not arrogant and he doesn't think highly of himself. However, TH is sometimes bad tempered cuz he can't control his temper (walk off the court, try to hit a spectator,etc).

[DinkAlot]

2. why did he walk off the court?
a negative paradigm: he's bad tempered, childish, etc
a positive paradigm: he loses in style, artistic, etc

The truth: The facts say that he's a bit bad tempered, he also hit a spectator once. And how does losing in style sound??? It's not based on a good reason at all.


Sorry, you need to drop the crack pipe if you think walking off the court is losing in style and artistic. :eek: :confused:

And going into the stands and hitting a spectator is a bit bad tempered? :confused:

SSuly, you say are from the U.S. but I think we are from different worlds based on your post. :p :D :D :D

[ssuly]

Sorry, you need to drop the crack pipe if you think walking off the court is losing in style and artistic. :eek: :confused:

And going into the stands and hitting a spectator is a bit bad tempered? :confused:

SSuly, you say are from the U.S. but I think we are from different worlds based on your post. :p :D :D :D

Dinkalot, u misunderstood me.....:(:(
"walking off the court is losing in style and artistic"
it's a postive paradigm.. but it's not the truth. it's not based on sound reasoning. it's a total bs.:p

[cooler]

Sorry, you need to drop the crack pipe if you think walking off the court is losing in style and artistic. :eek: :confused:

And going into the stands and hitting a spectator is a bit bad tempered? :confused:

SSuly, you say are from the U.S. but I think we are from different worlds based on your post. :p :D :D :D
lol, dinkalot, u beat to it.
I'm thinking more like different galaxy or universe, places where no man had gone before:D :p

[ssuly]

lol, dinkalot, u beat to it.
I'm thinking more like different galaxy or universe:D :p

cooler, u misunderstood me too.. read my reply to dinkalot:( sorry if I confused you guys. I hope u guys read more thoroughly.;)

[Pete LSD]

Ahhhh, those BC pots sure smells good. Maybe one puff will make everyone here understand what you are trying to get at :D :D :D


cooler, u misunderstood me too.. read my reply to dinkalot:( sorry if I confused you guys. I hope u guys read more thoroughly.;)

[ctjcad]

don't u guys ever REALIZE that this comment about TH is just a matter of different paradigms? (paradigm: the way u view something mostly based on your value and vanity) Therefore, these comments are not based on a solid ground. Their truth is really in doubt.[/I]
ssuly, thanks for your input...sorry, i'm snipping most of your post for brevity..

anyways, this is my take..if i don't misunderstood what you are attempting to post..:p

The fact:i understand what you are trying to point out. Yes, we humans, esp. fans have a natural tendency to "judge" certain people/players on the merit of what they should or should not do...

but..

The truth(as you like to put it;) & as i've mentioned before):as a *professional athlete*, esp. one who has won arguably 2 of the IBF/BWF's most prestigious titles/achievements in back to back yrs, should he continue and behave like what he's done the last 3-4 months?? If he really has some valid excuse(s) for his recent behaviors, then he surely must've been pretty good at "hiding" it. Add to that, remember, he was a 2-time IBF Player of the Year(2005 & 2006), most likely chosen for his "exemplary" behavior *on the court*....

now, that's something to think about...hehe;)
BTW, i have a feeling taufik-ist must be really enjoying(probably laughing at the same time) reading and looking at this thread, which he started, grow longer & longer..:p :D ;)

[ssuly]

The truth(as you like to put it;) & as i've mentioned before):as a *professional athlete*, esp. one who has won arguably 2 of the IBF/BWF's most prestigious titles/achievements in back to back yrs, should he continue and behave like what he's done the last 3-4 months?? If he really has some valid excuse(s) for his recent behaviors, then he surely must've been pretty good at "hiding" it. Add to that, remember, he was a 2-time IBF Player of the Year(2005 & 2006), most likely chosen for his "exemplary" behavior *on the court*....
ctjcad, thanks for your argument relating to my post. although, I'm not sure if I can understand what u're trying to get at either.:p
But, i'll try..

Truth:
TH has disappointed many of his fans and a lot of badminton spectators since HKO incident. However, TH realized this situation and said his apology to IBF. There's no better reason for this incident despite TH's lack of ability to control his temper at those kind of situation. Some facts also support this reasoning.

[ctjcad]

ctjcad, thanks for your argument relating to my post. although, I'm not sure if I can understand what u're trying to get at either.:p
But, i'll try..

Truth:
TH has disappointed many of his fans and a lot of badminton spectators since HKO incident. However, TH realized this situation and said his apology to IBF. There's no better reason for this incident despite TH's lack of ability to control his temper at those kind of situation. Some facts also support this reasoning.
..(it's ok, if you don't quite understand what i'm trying to get at also)...:p;)
..hmm, i thought those are "facts"??...Anyways, i'm sure you're aware that the HK Open incident wasn't the only tourney which he disappointed a lot of fans, correct??..;) And i really hope the disciplinary act/warning given by the BWF council(during the WC) wasn't "the only way" Taufik will finally conduct, behave himself again on court??..:p ;)

[baihaki_as]

he things that we're already know is that taufik doesn't care about people comment for his action he just do what he thinks should do.

but something that this forum don't know is that taufik's fans don't care too for everything people said about them and taufik, we just enjoy everything that taufik do, about pbsi coruption, taufik lazy, bla.. bla..bla..., you just wasting your energy. you should know the different beetwen taufik's fans and the other player fans is the way their thinking about their idols

we enjoy the fells arrogant of taufik, we fell that we win eventhough taufik lost, can u enjoy the feeling when he walk out from HO and World Cup, can u enjoy the felling of taufik's lost when he just threw away the shuttle cock to the net when he lost from lin dan 21-3, i bet you can't?

Like life is not everything about money so does badminton is not everything about achievement, hey you rich than me but i'm enjoy my life than u i don't care about people said about me, same as taufik hey you better than me but i enjoy my play what people said ahhh terserahlah.

Naive people give everthing their best but they never get the best, because they don't know that everything is not being number 1, ahhh i think u'll never understand THE WAY OF TAUFIK FANS.

[ssuly]

..(it's ok, if you don't quite understand what i'm trying to get at also)...:p;)
..hmm, i thought those are "facts"??...Anyways, i'm sure you're aware that the HK Open incident wasn't the only tourney which he disappointed a lot of fans, correct??..;) And i really hope the disciplinary act/warning given by the BWF council(during the WC) wasn't "the only way" Taufik will finally conduct, behave himself again on court??..:p ;)

The more facts and sound reasoning support an opinion, the closer that opinion of becoming the real truth.

Yes, I'm completely aware that HKO is not the only incident which TH disappointed badminton spectators. I just picked the big one for my example.;)

ctjcad, actually I don't really know the disciplinary act/warning given by the BWF council...what kind of conduct does the council expect TH to do? to what extent?

[ctjcad]

The more facts and sound reasoning support an opinion, the closer that opinion of becoming the real truth.

Yes, I'm completely aware that HKO is not the only incident which TH disappointed badminton spectators. I just picked the big one for my example.;)

ctjcad, actually I don't really know the disciplinary act/warning given by the BWF council...what kind of conduct does the council expect TH to do? to what extent?
..re your last inquiry, you can go to this thread & find out all abt it:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=441534#post441534 (wonder if PBSI is gutsy enough to hand down that kind of action to him??)...:rolleyes::p
..abt the HK Open incident and his recent other behaviors in this yr's calendar, those were not the only ones he *ever* did either..He also did roughly similar behaviors in the past, prior to him winning the OG and WC....:p :( ;)

[cooler]

The more facts and sound reasoning support an opinion, the closer that opinion of becoming the real truth.


u got real fact/truth and opinions mixed up.
Even at 100% opinion is not a fact or a truth.
Even with sound reasoning it only give u a theory.

here are some samples:
not too long ago, man believed the earth is flat, the sun spins around the earth. Are these are facts, the truth, or just opinions?

So far, your beliefs on TH are based on no facts, just opinions, shakey at best.

[Treker]

lol, dinkalot, u beat to it.
I'm thinking more like different galaxy or universe, places where no man had gone before:D :p

Wow, “Terrorist”…”not from same world”… I am glad we are not soccer fans :)

All the arguments from both sides here seem to ignore one of most important facts: badminton is a ‘pro’ (not a very popular) sports and it is running by an organization instead of an enterprise. Until that day when it’s running by ‘evil and greed’ corporation, we will continue to see tops players giving up matches just like TH did (we have had many arrogant or bad temper tennis players, did anyone dare to quit or walk off so easily?). And we will continue to hear Americans asking us “oh, badminton…, is that one we play in the back yard?”…

No fans no sports. There are all kinds or types of fans for each sport. Who would say the ones have most critics on TH were not TH’s loyal fans? Who would dare to criticize Deco Manadona in front of Argentines (you know how bad he got)? There are more TH fans in Chinese national team than anyone else’s fans … The fact is that we all love or loved TH, but he is damaging the sports right now. And for 90% of normal badminton fans around world, we like to watch a great match and we deserve to watch it if we pay the tickets. But TH is not main one to be blamed. IBF is (who should we sue if you want your money back).

So still the same point, instead of arguing with each other so hard, think about a way to enterprise badminton sport if you have money and time, a way to get rid of IBF…

[ctjcad]

So still the same point, instead of arguing with each other so hard, think about a way to enterprise badminton sport if you have money and time, a way to get rid of IBF…
Treker, thanks for your input....BTW, re how to "get rid of IBF", hmm i thought they've changed the name to BWF now(but still the same old bodies of people in there)??..:rolleyes: :p ;) :D

[cooler]

Wow, “Terrorist”…”not from same world”… I am glad we are not soccer fans :)

All the arguments from both sides here seem to ignore one of most important facts: badminton is a ‘pro’ (not a very popular) sports and it is running by an organization instead of an enterprise. Until that day when it’s running by ‘evil and greed’ corporation, we will continue to see tops players giving up matches just like TH did (we have had many arrogant or bad temper tennis players, did anyone dare to quit or walk off so easily?). And we will continue to hear Americans asking us “oh, badminton…, is that one we play in the back yard?”…

No fans no sports. There are all kinds or types of fans for each sport. Who would say the ones have most critics on TH were not TH’s loyal fans? Who would dare to criticize Deco Manadona in front of Argentines (you know how bad he got)? There are more TH fans in Chinese national team than anyone else’s fans … The fact is that we all love or loved TH, but he is damaging the sports right now. And for 90% of normal badminton fans around world, we like to watch a great match and we deserve to watch it if we pay the tickets. But TH is not main one to be blamed. IBF is (who should we sue if you want your money back).

So still the same point, instead of arguing with each other so hard, think about a way to enterprise badminton sport if you have money and time, a way to get rid of IBF…
i can agree with that.
Being an outsider, my view on TH is less emotional to cloud my judgement.

Actually it doesn't concern me whether TH play good or bad on any particular day or tournaments. My gripe was (as stated in other threads) TH is or could potentially ruining badminton and yes, IBF is too soft or indecisive on TH behavior. PBSI bending over for TH dosen't help either. Money grease the sports and if badminton isn't giving out a good show, fans wane and sponsorship, marketing, tv, go bye bye. Diehard TH fans are not enough to convince the money people to put their money in. Surely these money people don't see walkout and half effort performance as 'arts' no matter how much taufik fans like it.

[taneepak]

There is one thing I think we all agree on and that is Taufik is very news-worthy, whether for the right or wrong reason. Looked at from this, Taufik is in a unique way promoting the game of badminton!;)

[phaarix]

i can agree with that.
Being an outsider, my view on TH is less emotional to cloud my judgement.

Actually it doesn't concern me whether TH play good or bad on any particular day or tournaments. My gripe was (as stated in other threads) TH is or could potentially ruining badminton and yes, IBF is too soft or indecisive on TH behavior. PBSI bending over for TH dosen't help either. Money grease the sports and if badminton isn't giving out a good show, fans wane and sponsorship, marketing, tv, go bye bye. Diehard TH fans are not enough to convince the money people to put their money in. Surely these money people don't see walkout and half effort performance as 'arts' no matter how much taufik fans like it.

I don't think diehard Taufik fans actually like it when Taufik walks out or gives little effort. They like to pretend they do in defence of Taufik :p. They just don't want to accept that he has faults like every other normal human :rolleyes:.

But Taufik ruining Badminton is a bit extreme... one man can't ruin a sport. Did John McEnroe "ruin" Tennis? I don't think so. Tennis is as successful as ever. I think if anything Taufik attracts more viewers to the sport. He certainly causes a lot of hmm how to put it... excitement? Debate? Drama? Perhaps all of those. Whether it's right or wrong you can't deny it makes things very interesting.

[cooler]

I don't think diehard Taufik fans actually like it when Taufik walks out or gives little effort. They like to pretend they do in defence of Taufik :p. They just don't want to accept that he has faults like every other normal human :rolleyes:.

But Taufik ruining Badminton is a bit extreme... one man can't ruin a sport. Did John McEnroe "ruin" Tennis? I don't think so. Tennis is as successful as ever. I think if anything Taufik attracts more viewers to the sport. He certainly causes a lot of hmm how to put it... excitement? Debate? Drama? Perhaps all of those. Whether it's right or wrong you can't deny it makes things very interesting.
ok, a bit extreme;) badminton is bigger than just 1 person. BWF trying hard to attract tv network, even changing the scoring system to make the match duration 'more predictable'. Then come TH walking out a match and then call off another most anticipated match (against LD) match due to 'injury'. How's that for programming scheduling?

Yes, it seem TH does makes news but i think only because his behavior is new to this gentlemen sports, ie, a novelty. Imagine if we have similar taufiks for china, denmark, and malaysia, then we won't be a novelty. BWF will have a nervous breakdown. One cannot compare McEnroe t taufik, McEnroe argue line calls and play on, taufik argue line calls and walk off. McEnroe do care generally what the fans think about him, taufik as even their fans have said, don't care.


Back injury, what back injury? Oh look, TH is getting some much needed fitness training:p

[X Ball]

All said and done, Taufik is the Maradona of Badminton in Indonesia or even the world.

He had stirred controversies; he had acted differently in defiance of norms in badminton, and he had displayed bad behaviours all his badminton life so far.

Is he bad for badminton ? I think otherwise - it is perhaps even good to have everyone talking about him and looking forward to his next appearance to see whether something even more draconian would happen, e.g. taking the umpires to tasks or slamming his racket or perhaps (on his good days), winning the next prestigious tournament.

He is irrational; he is unpredictable; he is a recalcitrant, and he is coming to the next tournament near you !:p He is great !

[indra]

All said and done, Taufik is the Maradona of Badminton in Indonesia or even the world.

He had stirred controversies; he had acted differently in defiance of norms in badminton, and he had displayed bad behaviours all his badminton life so far.

Is he bad for badminton ? I think otherwise - it is perhaps even good to have everyone talking about him and looking forward to his next appearance to see whether something even more draconian would happen, e.g. taking the umpires to tasks or slamming his racket or perhaps (on his good days), winning the next prestigious tournament.

He is irrational; he is unpredictable; he is a recalcitrant, and he is coming to the next tournament near you !:p He is great !

Agree...agreee...agreee

[cooler]

He is irrational; he is unpredictable; he is a recalcitrant
- it seem so are his fans too:p


he is coming to the next tournament near you !:p He is great !


- he's coming, coming, coming,.....gone!:D
don't blink or you'll miss him:p

[X Ball]

Taufik must be preparing for his exit with some sensational affairs so that he will be sought after in his retirement.

Hey man, this is pure McEnroe play --- great one Taufik ! You are a genius !:D

[cooler]

Taufik must be preparing for his exit with some sensational affairs so that he will be sought after in his retirement.

yes, as a magician:p

[X Ball]

Every sport has a charismatic person so that it will not be dull. Badminton fans, if not for Taufik, will be bored to tears with the Chinese regime of players winning tournament after tournament. I know I got bored with bagging LD or cheering LCW (and coming to noughts!).

Ask yourself, why is this thread of Taufik so popular ? Taufik is everything to badminton as much as maradona is to soccer and we cannot dispute that!:D

He has now got my vote as the most exciting player in badminton.

[taneepak]

In the past nobody would ask me for dvds on Taufik's matches. Now they all want dvds only on matches featuring him, even if he keeps losing. Very strange!

[X Ball]

In the past nobody would ask me for dvds on Taufik's matches. Now they all want dvds only on matches featuring him, even if he keeps losing. Very strange!


He is now a wanted commodity because of his popularity arising from his 'McEnroe' personality.

[virusvoodoo]

All said and done, Taufik is the Maradona of Badminton in Indonesia or even the world.

He had stirred controversies; he had acted differently in defiance of norms in badminton, and he had displayed bad behaviours all his badminton life so far.

Is he bad for badminton ? I think otherwise - it is perhaps even good to have everyone talking about him and looking forward to his next appearance to see whether something even more draconian would happen, e.g. taking the umpires to tasks or slamming his racket or perhaps (on his good days), winning the next prestigious tournament.

He is irrational; he is unpredictable; he is a recalcitrant, and he is coming to the next tournament near you !:p He is great !

I agree that he does attract some attention/controversies whenever he's around but one's gotta remember that too much of something CAN BE BAD. If he keeps this up, it'll get old real fast! Infact, many people aren't surprised if he does another walk-over so it is starting to get old with the "magic dissappearing" act. If he does not continue to practice and try people will be betting against him unless they are foolish and stupid due to blind fanatism.

[X Ball]

I agree that he does attract some attention/controversies whenever he's around but one's gotta remember that too much of something CAN BE BAD. If he keeps this up, it'll get old real fast! Infact, many people aren't surprised if he does another walk-over so it is starting to get old with the "magic dissappearing" act. If he does not continue to practice and try people will be betting against him unless they are foolish and stupid due to blind fanatism.


All he needs now is to win the next tournament and his 'stock' would rise with the SUN.

I cannot imagine his game falling apart as this goes on coz in time with practice he will come back. He knows his strength so well and that is why he can do what he does and still get people barracking for him.

[cooler]

In the past nobody would ask me for dvds on Taufik's matches. Now they all want dvds only on matches featuring him, even if he keeps losing. Very strange!

yes, i don't disagree taufik is an exciting player, for now and it isn't due to his winning skills. It is the claim that TH is the greatest player and rhetoric excuses for losng that drives any sane person bonker.

All real badminton enthusiasts know and have seen how TH play. The new interests are from others whos interest lies in taufik oddity behavior. If this drive new people into badminton, that's great but i doubt it would last, just like Bart Simpsons famous 'I didn't do it' catch phrase.

another analogy: E-1000, oops:D

[pjswift]

cooler, u misunderstood me too.. read my reply to dinkalot:( sorry if I confused you guys. I hope u guys read more thoroughly.;)

I understand your input about paradigm.It's clear but requires more thinking than what is required of usual posts. Thanks for enlightening.

[ctjcad]

Back injury, what back injury? Oh look, TH is getting some much needed fitness training:p
..cooler, surprised you're able to find that pic..hehehe;):p :D :cool:
Anyways, looking at the pic of Taufik carrying somekind of relay torch and being *followed* by most likely a mob of government people, i really hope it's not a sign of what's to come next after Taufik retires..It kinda brings a chill on my skin...Ever since he won the OG and the WC, the Indonesian people have made him into somekind of an "icon"...Maybe he'll get a seat in the KONI?? or maybe PBSI?? or even...............as the Indonesian President?!?!..gasp..:eek: :rolleyes: :eek: :p :D ;)

[ssuly]

u got real fact/truth and opinions mixed up.
Even at 100% opinion is not a fact or a truth.
Even with sound reasoning it only give u a theory.

here are some samples:
not too long ago, man believed the earth is flat, the sun spins around the earth. Are these are facts, the truth, or just opinions?

So far, your beliefs on TH are based on no facts, just opinions, shakey at best.

cooler, I should agree for your critical thinking. However, I didn't really mean that basing your opinion with good reasoning and facts will make it become the real truth. But, at least it will be a lot closer to the truth. It will stand on a much stronger ground than just basing your opinion with your own paradigm (your own value and vanity).

about your sample:
at that time, man were trying to find the truth by using both facts and reasoning. However, the man failed to provide a good enough reasoning. It's the fact that sun rises from the east and sets in the west. The man tried to find a reason for that circumstances. The man came up with the idea that the sun spinned around the earth. However, the man failed to notice that his reason is not good enough. Because, the reverse could also reasonably happen that is the earth spins around the sun. The reverse could also reasonably explain why the sun rises from the east and sets in the west.
Not good enough reasoning --> get the man further from the truth.

[phaarix]

Ack!! I really didn't mean to compare Taufik to John McEnroe (now everyone is talking about it)! They're nothing alike I was merely trying to point out that one person cannot ruin a sport :).

[ssuly]

I understand your input about paradigm.It's clear but requires more thinking than what is required of usual posts. Thanks for enlightening.

pjswift, I really thank you for appreciating my input:). You have my respect for spending a bit of your time giving more thought on it.

[ctjcad]

In the past nobody would ask me for dvds on Taufik's matches. Now they all want dvds only on matches featuring him, even if he keeps losing. Very strange!
..maybe Taufik's already had it with winning...maybe he prefers to and doesn't mind keep losing now, but instead he will plan ahead of time :
1. when
2. where and
3. how he will lose...making it unpredictable & creative for people watching??..hmm:rolleyes: :confused: :p :mad: :D :(

[X Ball]

Ack!! I really didn't mean to compare Taufik to John McEnroe (now everyone is talking about it)! They're nothing alike I was merely trying to point out that one person cannot ruin a sport :).
Of course, they are nothing alike. It is only a simile to compare the two personalites who are unpredicatable and exhibit recalcitrance.

You are right he cannot ruin the sport. In fact, he is promoting the sport. There is now more to badminton than just LD winning.
;););)

[Monster]

I love this thread. I can even see some with terrorist traits... I wonder if any of them play badminton....

[ssuly]

yes, i don't disagree taufik is an exciting player, for now and it isn't due to his winning skills. It is the claim that TH is the greatest player and rhetoric excuses for losng that drives any sane person bonker.

cooler, I really have to say that I'm a bit disappointed with your opinion above. From every word u say, it seems that u totally disrespect TH...I understand that some fans who are too obssesed at him are annoying, and probably u got disappointed by TH's attitude...still u can't hate TH that much until u just totally blind yourself. grow up dude..:(

Now, we all know that TH is an exciting player NOT JUST because of the fans' claim and the excuses. TH definitely has one of the best all round technique in the world of badminton. keep in mind that it doesn't mean that TH is the greatest player...because the greatest player wins the most of the match like Lin Dan (that's why he's number one).

Many facts support that TH is the world's best natural player. TH's whole body coordinaiton to execute a technique is nearly perfect. That's why the resulting techniques are good. TH can execute nearly perfect half smashes behind his body perfectly. We know that his net technique is awesome. we also know that he has an amazing backhand. we also know that he has powerful smashes.
Therefore, ANYONE who loves badminton is STRONGLY recommmended to watch how TH played his badminton.

The only reason why I just wrote so much facts based positive things on TH is:
In order to open your eyes a bit, don't just view TH from your own paradigm based on your own personal feelings..:(;)

[taneepak]

That is why even the Chinese regard Taufik as a badminton prodigy, but that doesn't mean they approve of his attitude. Even some Indonesian officials are pissed off by his attitude.

[JasonMichael]

cooler, I really have to say that I'm a bit disappointed with your opinion above. From every word u say, it seems that u totally disrespect TH...I understand that some fans who are too obssesed at him are annoying, and probably u got disappointed by TH's attitude...still u can't hate TH that much until u just totally blind yourself. grow up dude..:(

Now, we all know that TH is an exciting player NOT JUST because of the fans' claim and the excuses. TH definitely has one of the best all round technique in the world of badminton. keep in mind that it doesn't mean that TH is the greatest player...because the greatest player wins the most of the match like Lin Dan (that's why he's number one).

Many facts support that TH is the world's best natural player. TH's whole body coordinaiton to execute a technique is nearly perfect. That's why the resulting techniques are good. TH can execute nearly perfect half smashes behind his body perfectly. We know that his net technique is awesome. we also know that he has an amazing backhand. we also know that he has powerful smashes.
Therefore, ANYONE who loves badminton is STRONGLY recommmended to watch how TH played his badminton.

The only reason why I just wrote so much facts based positive things on TH is:
In order to open your eyes a bit, don't just view TH from your own paradigm based on your own personal feelings..:(;)

Ssuly, thanks for the input. This is just what I need to play better badminton today regardless of winning all the time. Before, I used to think I had to win all the time. but that was years ago. Now I just appreciate the game's finer points. I just wanted to point this out in this forum but people keep shooting me down. enough said, before I get shot down again.

Jason.

[kemana]

Ssuly, thanks for the input. This is just what I need to play better badminton today regardless of winning all the time. Before, I used to think I had to win all the time. but that was years ago. Now I just appreciate the game's finer points. I just wanted to point this out in this forum but people keep shooting me down. enough said, before I get shot down again.

Jason.
I appreciate ssuly's posts very much too;)
hope you enjoy your games :)

[bananaboy]

don't u guys ever REALIZE that this comment about TH is just a matter of different paradigms? (paradigm: the way u view something mostly based on your value and vanity) Therefore, these comments are not based on a solid ground. Their truth is really in doubt.

A simple example how different paradigms work:
If a man steal your money, what do you think of him??
a negative paradigm: he is such a bad guy.
a positive paradigm: if he doesn't steal, can he lives on? --> he's not really a bad guy.
Then, is he truly a bad guy or not? saying that he's such a bad guy because of your feelings after ur money lost is not based on a good reason and facts. The positive paradigm is closer to the truth cuz it's at least based on a good reasoning.

Now back to the real problems about TH...

1. why TH only wins big tournament?
a negative paradigm: he's lazy.
a positive paradigm: he has his own goals and expectations that we've to respect.
The truth (based on good reasoning and facts): if he's lazy how the hell he makes it to a great player that needs extreme hardwork. However, the facts say that he is a very talented one, that would be a good reason why he has quite extreme goals and expectations.

2. why did he walk off the court?
a negative paradigm: he's bad tempered, childish, etc
a positive paradigm: he loses in style, artistic, etc
The truth: The facts say that he's a bit bad tempered, he also hit a spectator once. And how does losing in style sound??? It's not based on a good reason at all.

3. Some people also says that TH is arrogant, thinks highly of himself, etc.
The truth: The facts say that TH admits the greatness of his opponent. TH also regards himself as one of Top players who could beat each other. Therefore, TH doesn't think highly of himself and no arrogance of him spotted.

Conclusion on truth about TH (based on facts and reasoning):

TH is a great and talented badminton player. Because of his talent, he has different expectations than most of players (only win big tournaments). He's not arrogant and he doesn't think highly of himself. However, TH is sometimes bad tempered cuz he can't control his temper (walk off the court, try to hit a spectator,etc).


I just can't resist to say that you have the best explanation of all these paradigms, opinions, and facts stuff... they just seem to contradict with my old university textbooks on philiosophy... Maybe that's a U.S and Canada thing again.:p

Anyways, with your incredible thinking system... I wouldn't be surprised that if you are "truly" living in the U.S, then you must have voted for "Bush" as president.:p:eek:

[bananaboy]

In order to open your eyes a bit, don't just view TH from your own paradigm based on your own personal feelings..:(;)

This makes me rofl, and lmao...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D.

"TH's diehard fans are exclusive to the above bolded statement".:p

I am sure if BC forum does not have such straight rules, this thread would have already turned out to be the biggest flame war of internet forum's history.:p

[ctjcad]

The only reason why I just wrote so much facts based positive things on TH is:
In order to open your eyes a bit, don't just view TH from your own paradigm based on your own personal feelings..:(;)
..ssuly, thanks again for your input...sorry, for snipping rest of post for brevity..;)
Hmm, I think most of us, incl. cooler, have a pretty reasonable and objective point of view on Taufik. That is we take both the positive *and* the negative things that Taufik has exposed. I'm sure if other players do the same things like what Taufik did, there will be similar reactions to their behaviors.
Sure, he has positive things, but you also can't ignore his negative things...I think that's what cooler, virusvoodoo, even myself and others are trying to get across...;):) :cool:

[ssuly]

..ssuly, thanks again for your input...sorry, for snipping rest of post for brevity..;)
Hmm, I think most of us, incl. cooler, have a pretty reasonable and objective point of view on Taufik. That is we take both the positive *and* the negative things that Taufik has exposed. I'm sure if other players do the same things like what Taufik did, there will be similar reactions to their behaviors.
Sure, he has positive things, but you also can't ignore his negative things...I think that's what cooler, virusvoodoo, even myself and others are trying to get across...;):) :cool:

ctjcad, thanks for your reply..:) honestly, after reading their posts, some of these ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS didn't really react the way you think they did, no where near...:( If you want the facts, I can easily point out some of those biased provocative posts...:(
Interestingly, some of these ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS react exactly like TH'DIEHARD FANS...JUST IN AN OPPOSITE VIEW!

This is the reason why..
TH'DIEHARD FANS behaves rather extremely by praises TH like hell, they find excuses for TH, they only view TH from the positive side...
As a reaction to the extreme circumstances above..
ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS came up to the surface...
AND SOME of these ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS just did the extreme reverse, they only view TH from the negative side... they tend to disrespect TH...

and the most important thing is...THE truth said by those pros and cons is highly in doubt...their opinion are mostly biased! not based on a good reasoning and enough facts!
Therefore, TH surely doesn't deserve some of those claims made by TH'DIEHARD FANS and ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS!!:cool:;)

[ctjcad]

Therefore, TH surely doesn't deserve some of those claims made by TH'DIEHARD FANS and ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS!!:cool:;)
ssuly, thanks again for the input(rest of your post snipped for brevity)...Well, this statement says it all...In a way, I think if you put all those rebuttals by the THDF(Taufik's diehard fans) and ATHDF, i think we can somewhat agree they might be slightly exaggerated, but i'm sure their arguments have some facts/validity behind it(i'm sure you know what those facts are)...Hence you see all those rebuttals/opinions by both sides, even neutral ones..;)
Essentially everything has 2 sides, as there can't be all positives or all negatives...And in a way, this is kind of a "never ending argument"..:rolleyes: :p :D :cool: ;)

[cooler]

ctjcad, thanks for your reply..:) honestly, after reading their posts, some of these ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS didn't really react the way you think they did, no where near...:( If you want the facts, I can easily point out some of those biased provocative posts...:(
Interestingly, some of these ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS react exactly like TH'DIEHARD FANS...JUST IN AN OPPOSITE VIEW!

This is the reason why..
TH'DIEHARD FANS behaves rather extremely by praises TH like hell, they find excuses for TH, they only view TH from the positive side...
As a reaction to the extreme circumstances above..
ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS came up to the surface...
AND SOME of these ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS just did the extreme reverse, they only view TH from the negative side... they tend to disrespect TH...
and the most important thing is...THE truth said by those pros and cons is highly in doubt...their opinion are mostly biased! not based on a good reasoning and enough facts!
Therefore, TH surely doesn't deserve some of those claims made by TH'DIEHARD FANS and ANTI-TH'DIEHARD FANS!!:cool:;)
hey ssuly, we not anti-TH fans, we are just realists trying to contain diehard TH fan's overflowing bubbly euphoric expression, like u guys on some kind of upper (a stimulant drug :p) , about TH. :D Even TH fans have said TH doesn't care much about what people view about him, so why the over appreciation?

[ssuly]

ssuly, thanks again for the input(rest of your post snipped for brevity)...Well, this statement says it all...In a way, I think if you put all those rebuttals by the THDF(Taufik's diehard fans) and ATHDF, i think we can somewhat agree they might be slightly exaggerated, but i'm sure their arguments have some facts/validity behind it(i'm sure you know what those facts are)...Hence you see all those rebuttals/opinions by both sides, even neutral ones..;)
Essentially everything has 2 sides, as there can't be all positives or all negatives...And in a way, this is kind of a "never ending argument"..:rolleyes: :p :D :cool: ;)

ctjcad, I'm exactly in the same mind as you that this argument is a "never ending argument". Both pros and cons seem to develop basicly from the same natural circumstances, therefore, they should not even have to blame each other. At last, this argument should never exist.

However, as humans we can't afford not to have this kind of pros and cons arguments. As we can't control this kind of naturally born argument, the only thing we can do is to find something meaningful out of it.

Although this argument seems to be never ending and meaningless, we could find it meaningful if we look at the BIGGER IDEAL PICTURE. No matter how much the pros and cons talk about their ideas, they will cancel out each other in a bigger picture. If the process of cancelling out those opposite views is ideal (exactly same domination from the pros and cons), then the truth can be revealed between them.;)

The only reason why I wrote my posts in this thread is just because I'm really worried that the ANTI-TH'S DIEHARD FANS have dominated too much. Because of this, we're getting further away from the truth about TH.:(;)

[bananaboy]

ctjcad, I'm exactly in the same mind as you that this argument is a "never ending argument". Both pros and cons seem to develop basicly from the same natural circumstances, therefore, they should not even have to blame each other. At last, this argument should never exist.

However, as humans we can't afford not to have this kind of pros and cons arguments. As we can't control this kind of naturally born argument, the only thing we can do is to find something meaningful out of it.

Although this argument seems to be never ending and meaningless, we could find it meaningful if we look at the BIGGER IDEAL PICTURE. No matter how much the pros and cons talk about their ideas, they will cancel out each other in a bigger picture. If the process of cancelling out those opposite views is ideal (exactly same domination from the pros and cons), then the truth can be revealed between them.;)

The only reason why I wrote my posts in this thread is just because I'm really worried that the ANTI-TH'S DIEHARD FANS have dominated too much. Because of this, we're getting further away from the truth about TH.:(;)
Please show us the way to happiness, and enlightened us with your "Taufik bible".:crying::crying:

[ctjcad]

Although this argument seems to be never ending and meaningless, we could find it meaningful if we look at the BIGGER IDEAL PICTURE. No matter how much the pros and cons talk about their ideas, they will cancel out each other in a bigger picture. If the process of cancelling out those opposite views is ideal (exactly same domination from the pros and cons), then the truth can be revealed between them.;)

[/B]The only reason why I wrote my posts in this thread is just because I'm really worried that the ANTI-TH'S DIEHARD FANS have dominated too much. Because of this, we're getting further away from the truth about TH.:(;)
ssuly, thanks again for the input...Well, if you said "If the process of cancelling out those opposite views is ideal (exactly same domination from the pros and cons), then the truth can be revealed between them", then like bananaboy mentioned above, mind explaining what that "truth about TH" is??..And if so, is that *your own* "truth" or one that, at least, can be "acceptable" to both sides...:rolleyes:;)

Anyways, re your last paragraph, no, don't have to worry, there's no ATHDF here,( i hope not &as far as i know):p ;) . As mentioned before, cooler, virusvoodoo, myself and others are just putting forth an objective point of view, eventhough they might sound "over the top and anti-Taufik" to you. ...;) :D :cool:

BTW, where's our taufik-ist??..looks like taufik-ist will have to request a change in the thread topic..hehe;):D :p

[ssuly]

hey ssuly, we not anti-TH fans, we are just realists trying to contain diehard TH fan's overflowing bubbly euphoric expression, like u guys on some kind of upper (a stimulant drug :p) , about TH. :D Even TH fans have said TH doesn't care much about what people view about him, so why the over appreciation?

Although you call yourself a realist (maybe at least more realistic than those excuses on TH), your opinions on TH do not seem to be realistic enough.

It doesn't make sense at all if TH fans doesn't care much about what people view about TH... It makes sense if TH fans gave up caring about it...

This is because you guys have somehow been so dominance in this argument.. unfortunately, this dominance is not based on a realistic enough opinions (not really based on good reasoning and facts)... That's why I tried to view TH more realistically (again based on good reasoning and facts), so that we're getting closer to the truth.;)

[ssuly]

ssuly, thanks again for the input...Well, if you said "If the process of cancelling out those opposite views is ideal (exactly same domination from the pros and cons), then the truth can be revealed between them", then like bananaboy mentioned above, mind explaining what that "truth about TH" is??..And if so, is that *your own* "truth" or one that, at least, can be "acceptable" to both sides...:rolleyes:;)

Anyways, re your last paragraph, no, don't have to worry, there's no ATHDF here,( i hope not &as far as i know):p ;) . As mentioned before, cooler, virusvoodoo, myself and others are just putting forth an objective point of view, eventhough they might sound "over the top and anti-Taufik" to you. ...;) :D :cool:

BTW, where's our taufik-ist??..looks like taufik-ist will have to request a change in the thread topic..hehe;):D :p

It's the real truth that can only be visible by someone if and only if he met these three steps:

1. Be able to understand his real position in the arguments, filter out only the realistic views from his paradigm.
2. Be able to understand opposite position in the arguments, filter out only the realistic views from that position. (this step in indeed tough for us as humans to do it well, and nearly impossible to complete it perfectly)
3. Be able to combine those two realistic views to produce the real truth that is standing in between.

note:
- I bolded the word understand in number two just because it's much tougher to understand the opposite position.
- paradigm is simply your views based on your own value, vanity, personal feelings, etc.
- realistic views must be based on good reasoning and facts in order to reveal the truth.
- the real truth can not be 100 percent true but it's the truest of all.

I wrote some truths on TH by applying my theory above in my previous post which explain about the paradigm stuff.;)

[DinkAlot]

the real truth can not be 100 percent true but it's the truest of all.

Oh boy, everyone needs to stop posting on this thread, it's going round and round and beyond ridiculous now.

[baihaki_as]

It doesn't make sense at all if TH fans doesn't care much about what people view about TH... It makes sense if TH fans gave up caring about it...


hey i don't care what they said about taufik, hey ssuly i think your logic little little error, you're always said this is the truth but i think many your opinion is errorr or maybe b*** ****

you take a conclusion in a fact happen now, you never see behind the past year when the controvensy begin, if u see behind 2000 you'll find that actually taufik is a good boy same as lin dan,bcl now when there's still players like hendrawan, marleve, haryanto.

the controvensy of taufik begin in 2003, after taufik comes back from singapore, in that time taufik soon realise that he was the only MS that PBSI counting it., and lets start the show

That i think it's stupid if u said that taufik injuries bla..bla.. , the TRUTH IS taufik just wanna said to lin dan "lin dan see u in AG, i got the money, and ok now you better than me but i'll make your win is not valuable, if u want the real victory don't be lost before facing me in AG".

it's stupid thing too, some comentator in this forum said if every player doing likes taufik do there will be a chaos in badminton so the conclusion is taufik bad character the others (lin dan, peter, LCW) is good character

HAHAHAHA, is not because they good because they CAN'T do it that, how can u judge some personality person if u never meet him, every country have different written and unwritten rule if lin dan do that i think we'll never see lin dan again

so don't be so naive said that taufik injuries bla..bla... the cooler and other said the truth but they just can't enjoy the way of taufik

[cooler]

well, if TH is playing head game with LD by pretending to be a weak prey (HKO, JO, CO) and hope to pounce on a deceived LD at doha, TH will be in a big surprise. Why? from what i have seen from LD, he is mentally stronger, he look faster, and hit harder, net touch better and understand taufik tactic better than before (2005). The only plus for TH is that there is one less chinese player to clash with (CH). BTW, taufik shouldn't gift a win to LCW so he can meet LD :p

[pjswift]

well, if TH is playing head game with LD by pretending to be a weak prey (HKO, JO, CO) and hope to pounce on a deceived LD at doha, TH will be in a big surprise. Why? from what i have seen from LD, he is mentally stronger, he look faster, and hit harder, net touch better and understand taufik tactic better than before (2005). The only plus for TH is that there is one less chinese player to clash with (CH). BTW, taufik shouldn't gift a win to LCW so he can meet LD :p

TH is in no mood to gift anyone cos his first priority is to up his ranking points. When he reaches top 4 in 2007, things will look more exciting.

[chris-ccc]

I'm just someone in pursuit of the real truth and justice..:cool:


Greetings,

I am glad that we have a colourful character in Badminton like Taufik Hidayat.

He reminded me of one of our greatest International Chess Player, Bobby Fischer.

Quite often... we get an eccentric player in a particular sport.

WELL DONE, TAUFIK HIDAYAT !!! :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

[virusvoodoo]

TH is in no mood to gift anyone cos his first priority is to up his ranking points. When he reaches top 4 in 2007, things will look more exciting.


That is if he is in-form & tries, which we rarely see anymore. :eek:

[ants]

Badminton will definately be boring without Taufik... he has his Ala John McEnroe Mood swings.

[virusvoodoo]

Badminton will definately be boring without Taufik... he has his Ala John McEnroe Mood swings.


In that case I think Lin Dan needs some recognition with the controversies he stirres up due his bad sportmanship! As much as I hate it, I want to be fair to Lin Dan since Taufik is getting some praises for his controversial actions/behaviors, especially at the Malaysian Open this year. I guess in that sense we would not have anything to discuss without players like Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan.

[cooler]

Badminton will definately be boring without Taufik... he has his Ala John McEnroe Mood swings.
yup, it would be very boring after paying admission and you don't see taufik playing because he walk out again, LOL

[cooler]

In that case I think Lin Dan needs some recognition with the controversies he stirres up due his bad sportmanship! As much as I hate it, I want to be fair to Lin Dan since Taufik is getting some praises for his controversial actions/behaviors, especially at the Malaysian Open this year. I guess in that sense we would not have anything to discuss without players like Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan.

that's is why it's so hard to understand diehard TH fans,
TH bad behavior is good, LD bad behavior is bad.:rolleyes:

[baihaki_as]

In that case I think Lin Dan needs some recognition with the controversies he stirres up due his bad sportmanship! As much as I hate it, I want to be fair to Lin Dan since Taufik is getting some praises for his controversial actions/behaviors, especially at the Malaysian Open this year. I guess in that sense we would not have anything to discuss without players like Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan.

Lin Dan has already famous, but Don't u see voodoo Lin Dan just another great player in badminton history, in my opinion lin dan now plays greatly but taufik he is different he plays beautifully, so people like Lin Dan makes badminton boring especially with his winning pose, but taufik makes badminton interesting eventhough he lost.

Why do u think IBF choose taufik as the best player in 2005 and 2006 he just winning five tiltles in that year , 2004 ( Asian C, OG) 2005 (WC,IO,SO) , why not choose Lin Dan which he is very very superior in that time.

bad attitude?, what a kind of attidue do u think he is bad, he never get caught by police like rooney, buffon, or maradona, and can u tell me if there's someone in this forum tells that lin dan is a bad person.

The problem is that u can't accept that taufik makes something different that has never been happen in badminton history, a player that can win OG, WC,AG for the first time and in other aspect can be defeat easily with uknown person, a player that can win whenever he really like too but sometimes he just want to lost for his pleasure or maybe he's the only person who made his opponent winning not valuable.

taufik is the person who knows to get the best, being number one is not u can received the best thing, but sometimes if u lose actually you win, but if u win actually u lost, taufik knows that better.

[taneepak]

that's is why it's so hard to understand diehard TH fans,
TH bad behavior is good, LD bad behavior is bad.:rolleyes:

The difference is that Taufik has a special type of charisma and chemistry than that of LD's. One is called a Robin Hood, the other a rascal if caught with stolen goods. But this is good for it pulls in the crowd.

[virusvoodoo]

maybe he's the only person who made his opponent winning not valuable.


Actually, the level between top 5, even top 10 players are so close and competitive that they usually give each other a good game when they meet up. With that said, we have such competitive players like Lin Dan, Peter Gade, Lee Chong Wei, Lee Hyun-Il, Kenneth Jonassen, Chen Hong, Bao Chunlai, Chen Jin, etc.. that we don't really need Taufik for some some good match-ups.

In fact, since Taufik is no longer motivated nor in-form (as shown recently) it is actually better if we substitute those players in Taufik's spot because they'll give a better fight for the fans/spectators. Since he's not much of an obstacle anymore the statement you made above is not valid as he's almost helpless against players who can outlast him. That may have been true back when he won the Olympic or the World Championship but not now since he's been losing twice to Chen Hong, who couldn't trouble him much in the past.

I mean come on now, even Peter Gade revenged his lost at the World Championship this year by beating Chen Hong in the Japan Open and we all know how old Peter Gade is and that he has a wife & kid. Taufik do not even have any kid yet and he's this lazy so imagine how he'll be when he does start to have kids or when he turns 30 even. I doubt he'll still be around at the age of 28, much less 30, if he keeps this kinda "shannigans" up.

[taufik-ist]

BTW, i have a feeling taufik-ist must be really enjoying(probably laughing at the same time) reading and looking at this thread, which he started, grow longer & longer..:p :D ;)

ha..ha :), i'm still surprised this thread is growing longer :), i just wanted to 'counter' some postings about taufik-withdraw in worldcup, becos some people here didn't believe taufik was injury and they also made some jokes on him.

one thing for sure:
taufik is one of the most sportmanship players (for example, if his oponnent asks him to change the shuttle, th is always willing to do it wihout aksing why) and also one of the greatest players (asian champion[2000], asian games champion[2002], olympic champion[2004],WC champion[2005]).

let's see taufik in next superseries grand prixs :D

taufik make badminton colorful

[taufik-ist]

I mean come on now, even Peter Gade revenged his lost at the World Championship this year by beating Chen Hong in the Japan Open and we all know how old Peter Gade is and that he has a wife & kid. Taufik do not even have any kid yet and he's this lazy so imagine how he'll be when he does start to have kids or when he turns 30 even. I doubt he'll still be around at the age of 28, much less 30, if he keeps this kinda "shannigans" up.

becos taufik is rich enough and can live prosperous in indonesia, on other hand PG lives in denmark where the living-cost is much higher than in indonesia, PG must work hard to earn money from playing badminton :D , and taufik just need to win one big tournaments (olympic) and that has made him rich enough :D he..he :D :p

[floorfilla]

It seems to me that almost every post that just shows a bit of support (not fanatism) for TH is replied with either posts that press on his behaviours or some sarcastic comments...:(

[By You]

Greetings,

I am glad that we have a colourful character in Badminton like Taufik Hidayat.

He reminded me of one of our greatest International Chess Player, Bobby Fischer.

Quite often... we get an eccentric player in a particular sport.

WELL DONE, TAUFIK HIDAYAT !!! :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

Bobby Fischer is the controversial one who bring chess player receive a huge prize nowaday. He was refuge to play against the Russian due to his demand for a winner's prize was not fullfiled (correct me whenever necesary).

I doubt TH is the one who bring baminton player receive the so huge money. However, he is the first badminton player (in Indonesia) who receive a billion rupiahs bonus from sponsor for his winning in Olympic.

The most important point I can get from this thread is the developing vocabulary I have ..... ;) :)

I wonder Taufik Hidayat himselef join in this tread....... :cool:

[hydrocyanic]

he is also a great player in giving championship title

walking out of 4-1 first set to let LD rest a day fighting an exhausted opponent

enter a tournament just to leave at semi-final so that LD would once again be benefited to have a full day of rest again

purposely losing to CH twice to make him think that he is still in shape, giving him comfidence



he is also known to be an optomistrist, knowing that the line judge need a pair of eye-glasses when she saw a mistake(debtable)



he is also a true hero in fighting back pain, playing tournament and winning top 10 people with that is an awesome talent



he is also a charity donor and a contributor to HK economy, as making an excuse for IBF to fine him... as a result of increase in short term employment for telephone hotline services when the audiences ask for refund


good day

cooler is right on about this forum

whatever TH do is great, whatever LD do is bad, woopy-doo

[virusvoodoo]

Lin Dan has already famous, but Don't u see voodoo Lin Dan just another great player in badminton history, in my opinion lin dan now plays greatly but taufik he is different he plays beautifully, so people like Lin Dan makes badminton boring especially with his winning pose, but taufik makes badminton interesting eventhough he lost.

Why do u think IBF choose taufik as the best player in 2005 and 2006 he just winning five tiltles in that year , 2004 ( Asian C, OG) 2005 (WC,IO,SO) , why not choose Lin Dan which he is very very superior in that time.

bad attitude?, what a kind of attidue do u think he is bad, he never get caught by police like rooney, buffon, or maradona, and can u tell me if there's someone in this forum tells that lin dan is a bad person.

The problem is that u can't accept that taufik makes something different that has never been happen in badminton history, a player that can win OG, WC,AG for the first time and in other aspect can be defeat easily with uknown person, a player that can win whenever he really like too but sometimes he just want to lost for his pleasure or maybe he's the only person who made his opponent winning not valuable.

taufik is the person who knows to get the best, being number one is not u can received the best thing, but sometimes if u lose actually you win, but if u win actually u lost, taufik knows that better.

Many of Taufik's die hard fans idolize him for the wrong reasons. They consider Taufik's as a hero because of his skills & techniques and some even advocate his erradic behaviors, which-in a right person's mind is purely idiotic. Skills and techniques are one thing but those don't really define what a hero is. A hero should be considered from his actions, attitudes, and achievements. It is safe to say that he is not recognized for the first two things while his achievements is still in question as many feels that just three prestiguous titles (Olympic, WC, Asian Games) are not enough compared to some of our living badminton legends such as Tony Gunawan, Candra Wijaya, Kim Dong Moon, Park Joo-Bong, Rudy Hartono & Yang Yang (no Olympic back in their day).

[cooler]

ha..ha :), i'm still surprised this thread is growing longer :), i just wanted to 'counter' some postings about taufik-withdraw in worldcup, becos some people here didn't believe taufik was injury and they also made some jokes on him.

one thing for sure:
taufik is one of the most sportmanship players (for example, if his oponnent asks him to change the shuttle, th is always willing to do it wihout aksing why) and also one of the greatest players (asian champion[2000], asian games champion[2002], olympic champion[2004],WC champion[2005]).

let's see taufik in next superseries grand prixs :D

taufik make badminton colorful

your content is bunch of unconnected and unconvincing paragraphs.

first u say u want to counter why TH withdrew WC and why we didnt believe his injury is real. Then your conclusion is:
- TH is a great sportsman, alway change shuttle when asked**
- TH is the greatest player

I say u r deluding the readers here.

** i know exactly why he like to change shuttles when asked by opponents, so he can rest some more. If he is fit and in a winning the rallies, why give stop your momentum for the benefit of his opponents?
Since he dislike LD, how come he still change the shuttles? Coz he's damn tired.

[virusvoodoo]

ha..ha :), i'm still surprised this thread is growing longer :), i just wanted to 'counter' some postings about taufik-withdraw in worldcup, becos some people here didn't believe taufik was injury and they also made some jokes on him.

one thing for sure:
taufik is one of the most sportmanship players (for example, if his oponnent asks him to change the shuttle, th is always willing to do it wihout aksing why) and also one of the greatest players (asian champion[2000], asian games champion[2002], olympic champion[2004],WC champion[2005]).

let's see taufik in next superseries grand prixs :D

taufik make badminton colorful

Taufik's sportmanship is pretty good (ahead of Lin Dan in my opinion) when facing anyone beside Lin Dan but I wouldn't considered him as one of the best when it comes to sportmanship. I think the best ones are Wong Choong Hann, Lee Chong Wei, Peter Gade, Kenneth Jonassen, Tony Gunawan, Candra Wijaya, Kim Dong Moon, and maybe Park Joo Bong as well. They never get angry by throwing racquet their racquet if they lose one set to Boonsak Ponsana or their other opponents.

That plus they do not punch the spectators or give excuses whenever they lose. :eek:

[ctjcad]

I wrote some truths on TH by applying my theory above in my previous post which explain about the paradigm stuff.;)
ssuly, thanks again for the input and giving another explanation(sorry, i'm snipping rest of your explanation for brevity)...But pardon me, as i myself can't really find what you actually wrote re "truths about TH"...even from the above post you wrote, post #122??..

About your supposed "theory" and its "requirements"(post #123), which you wrote to great extents, i assume you are *actually* using those theories yourself in making your conclusion on "truths about TH", correct?..;)

I'll say this, to be frank, i've already had enough of your explanation on what is paradigm etc. And since i(don't know abt others) haven't found any statements or somekind of explanation from you on your supposed "truths about TH", perhaps now is the time for you to just simply provide us all with a simple and straight explanation on what you believe is "the truths about TH"(as requested by me in post #121).....
No need to provide us with additional explanation like you did in post #123.....We just want a simple & straight reply from you and hope one that is neutral(to both THDFs and ATHDFs)..How's that??..;):)
We'll be waiting for your response on this...;):) :cool:

[pjswift]

That is if he is in-form & tries, which we rarely see anymore. :eek:

Try tracking his progress. From WC to CO ,his ranking has leapt from 30+ to 12! He's been working part time. Now he's graduating to fulltime and in 2007, he should be able to work overtime. Maybe our ranking expert, hcyong, can help us estimate how many tourneys TH need to play to reach top 4 assuming he reaches QF at least. Since TH is naturally gifted in badminton in the way LD is not,it means he does not need to match LD in stamina to beat him. Probably just 70% of LD 's will do. Right now, he's only 60% but he'll get there, sooner than LD hope for.

[cooler]

there are lot of talks of TH past misfit behaviors and i was able to collect some of these documentation in case someone has doubts.

It's amazing how one olympic gold medal (2004) had turn TH from a SOB to a colorful person with full of charisma. Even the mighty pope can only forgive past sins but can't turn past bad deeds into desirable attributes. His past, present and future misfits are now all pleasant qualities after winning OG gold. :rolleyes:

BF is a treasure house of goody infos :)

Parking incident #1
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12144&highlight=taufik+parking

Parking incident #2
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15538&highlight=taufik+parking

A post by shasa03 in 2004
09-03-2004, 02:45 AM #15
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i think he could just lost to wimpie because he was distracted by a fanatic fan of wimpie i read today in a paper...
taufik was pissed when the audience were teasing him beacause of his lost to wimpie then he refused to be interviewed by the reporters.taufik is allergic when people are teasing him or if reporters are criticizing him.
a couple of times he got in a fight with some of the audience and he hit them with his racket!

[pjswift]

The difference is that Taufik has a special type of charisma and chemistry than that of LD's. One is called a Robin Hood, the other a rascal if caught with stolen goods. But this is good for it pulls in the crowd.

Yeah, did you see LD even trying to cheat on his compatriot CH in the WC semi? It's unbelievable! He was trying to tweak the shuttle to his liking. The umpire Carol? was sharp.She called out to LD, took the shuttle and got it changed. Pretty disappointing sight. I guess LD's sneaky behaviour precedes him among female Western umpires.

[cooler]

Bobby Fischer is the controversial one who bring chess player receive a huge prize nowaday. He was refuge to play against the Russian due to his demand for a winner's prize was not fullfiled (correct me whenever necesary).

I doubt TH is the one who bring baminton player receive the so huge money. However, he is the first badminton player (in Indonesia) who receive a billion rupiahs bonus from sponsor for his winning in Olympic.

The most important point I can get from this thread is the developing vocabulary I have ..... ;) :)

I wonder Taufik Hidayat himselef join in this tread....... :cool:
well,he use blackmail tactic to get that 1 billion rupiahs. It was written in the pbsi policy that it's 50/50. Whether he deserve it is another point, it was his tactic and want to change the rule just for him. Half of the 45,000 USD would goes to pbsi and likely to other team members but TH got it all. Maybe the reason why so many INA players left pbsi after that, TH got his ways and other players are just chop livers.

45000*22000 =990 million rupiahs or ~ 1 billion rupiahs
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02-16-2005, 04:31 PM #1

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Taufik loses cool with badminton bosses
Moch. N. Kurniawan, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat is threatening to withdraw from the Indonesia team for the All England tournament next month in protest of the Indonesian Badminton Association's (PBSI) move to cut 50 percent of his Olympic bonus money from sponsor Yonex.

Taufik was a finalist at the All England in 1999 and 2000. After his Olympic triumph in Athens last year, his confidence is high, and he is expected to vie for the title in the All England, if he goes, which will run from March 8 to 13.

But that bid is now uncertain after an incident at the National Training Center in Cipayung, East Jakarta, on Tuesday.

After he wrapped up his morning training session, Taufik got into a quarrel with the head of PBSI's development affairs and director of the training center Icuk Sugiarto.

Several coaches, including men's doubles coach Christian Hadinata and Taufik's mentor Mulyo Handoyo, had to step in and break up the heated argument.

Taufik berated Icuk, accusing him of not fighting for the shuttlers' rights and calling him a liar. Icuk yelled back and told Taufik to behave himself.

After the quarrel, Icuk explained to curious journalists that Taufik was demanding 100 percent of the 2004 Olympic Games bonus of US$45,000 given by Yonex, one of the largest badminton accessories manufacturers in the world.

"That would be against PBSI policy, which states that bonuses from sponsors are halved between the shuttlers and PBSI. That policy has been in place for several years," Icuk explained.

"We have not changed the policy, so Taufik gets 50 percent of his 2004 Olympic Games bonus."

Taufik won Indonesia's only gold medal in Athens.

Icuk said Taufik should have understood the policy, instead of blaming him for not fighting for the shuttlers' rights.

"He seems unhappy with the 50-50 split and is threatening not to participate in All England," Icuk said, and added that he would leave it to PBSI chairman Sutiyoso to handle the issue.

Taufik, who was named Player of the Year in 2004 by the International Badminton Federation (IBF), could not be reached for comment after the spat with Icuk.

If Taufik carries through on his threat, that would leave it to men's singles youngster Simon Santoso; women's singles players Ardianti Firdasari and Maria Kristin; men's doubles pairs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto, Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto, Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan; women's doubles pair Jo Novita/Lita Nurlita, and mixed doubles pairs Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir, Anggun Nugroho/Yunita Tetty and Devin Lahardi/Eny Widiowati to represent Indonesia at the All England.

[ctjcad]

well,he use blackmail tactic to get that 1 billion rupiahs. It was written in the pbsi policy that it's 50/50. Whether he deserve it is another point, it was his tactic and want to change the rule just for him. Half of the 45,000 USD would goes to pbsi and likely to other team members but TH got it all. Maybe the reason why so many INA players left pbsi after that, TH got his ways and other players are just chop livers.
..hmm, simply tells us, (like i've mentioned numerous times before) :
WHO IS REALLY IN CONTROL of PBSI??...:rolleyes: :p :mad: :( ;)

[hara^kazuko]

These threads about Taufik arent annoying at first, but with people thinking that they know Taufik, it started to turn out to be an attack-thread again

Taufik isnt ur or my relatives, just stop talking like you are

[hara^kazuko]

oh boy, I read this whole thread and it was ridiculous, why cant just everyone accept the fact that there is always a bad boy in one kind of sport? We knew what happened in World Cup about Zidane and I dont think the fans talked about it that much like us.. These 'Taufik - WhAt?' 'Taufik - oMiGosH!' threads are just filling up the forum with no reason. Guys, this is life, there is always good vs evil... Taufik isnt evil, but it's what Taufik represents for some people


Chill out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[taufik-ist]

oh boy, I read this whole thread and it was ridiculous, why cant just everyone accept the fact that there is always a bad boy in one kind of sport? We knew what happened in World Cup about Zidane and I dont think the fans talked about it that much like us.. These 'Taufik - WhAt?' 'Taufik - oMiGosH!' threads are just filling up the forum with no reason. Guys, this is life, there is always good vs evil... Taufik isnt evil, but it's what Taufik represents for some people


Chill out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ya..ya i agree with u...

taufik is just human, not a saint.

OK then, kwun please close this thread :),

i don't want this thread going 'wild' ... he..he

[ssuly]

ssuly, thanks again for the input and giving another explanation(sorry, i'm snipping rest of your explanation for brevity)...But pardon me, as i myself can't really find what you actually wrote re "truths about TH"...even from the above post you wrote, post #122??..

About your supposed "theory" and its "requirements"(post #123), which you wrote to great extents, i assume you are *actually* using those theories yourself in making your conclusion on "truths about TH", correct?..;)

I'll say this, to be frank, i've already had enough of your explanation on what is paradigm etc. And since i(don't know abt others) haven't found any statements or somekind of explanation from you on your supposed "truths about TH", perhaps now is the time for you to just simply provide us all with a simple and straight explanation on what you believe is "the truths about TH"(as requested by me in post #121).....
No need to provide us with additional explanation like you did in post #123.....We just want a simple & straight reply from you and hope one that is neutral(to both THDFs and ATHDFs)..How's that??..;):)
We'll be waiting for your response on this...;):) :cool:
ctjcad, this is actually just a repeat of my previous post. I just took this part and did a little update on it.;)

1. why TH only wins big tournament?
cons: he's lazy.
pros: he has his own goals and expectations that we've to respect.
The truth (based on good reasoning and facts): if he's lazy how the hell he makes it to a great player that needs extreme hardwork. However, the facts say that he is a highly talented one, that would be a good reason why he has quite extreme goals and expectations.

I understand that for badminton spectators, it's a disappointment that TH seems not motivated for grandprixes (lack of preparation, etc). But, we just have to understand TH's different expectations as a badminton prodigy.. and hope TH will make it up on the big events!

2. why did he walked off the court?
cons: he's bad tempered, childish, etc
pros: he loses in style, artistic, etc
The truth: The only reasonable answer is because TH is bad tempered. Many facts support this too. And how does losing in style sound??? It's not based on a good reason at all.

3. Some people also says that TH is arrogant, thinks highly of himself, etc.
The truth: The facts say that TH admits his lost and the greatness of his opponent. TH also regards himself as one of top players who could beat each other. Therefore, TH doesn't think highly of himself and no arrogance of him spotted.

Conclusion on truth about TH (based on facts and reasoning):

TH is a great and talented badminton player, even the chinese highly regards him as a badminton prodigy. Because of his talent, he has different expectations than most of players (only win big tournaments) that we have to respect. TH is not arrogant and he doesn't think highly of himself. However, TH is hot tempered (walk off the court, try to hit a spectator,etc).

[taufik-ist]

ctjcad, this is actually just a repeat of my previous post. I just took this part and did a little update on it.;)

1. why TH only wins big tournament?
cons: he's lazy.
pros: he has his own goals and expectations that we've to respect.
The truth (based on good reasoning and facts): if he's lazy how the hell he makes it to a great player that needs extreme hardwork. However, the facts say that he is a highly talented one, that would be a good reason why he has quite extreme goals and expectations.

I understand that for badminton spectators, it's a disappointment that TH seems not motivated for grandprixes (lack of preparation, etc). But, we just have to understand TH's different expectations as a badminton prodigy.. and hope TH will make it up on the big events!

2. why did he walked off the court?
cons: he's bad tempered, childish, etc
pros: he loses in style, artistic, etc
The truth: The only reasonable answer is because TH is bad tempered. Many facts support this too. And how does losing in style sound??? It's not based on a good reason at all.

3. Some people also says that TH is arrogant, thinks highly of himself, etc.
The truth: The facts say that TH admits his lost and the greatness of his opponent. TH also regards himself as one of top players who could beat each other. Therefore, TH doesn't think highly of himself and no arrogance of him spotted.

Conclusion on truth about TH (based on facts and reasoning):

TH is a great and talented badminton player, even the chinese highly regards him as a badminton prodigy. Because of his talent, he has different expectations than most of players (only win big tournaments) that we have to respect. TH is not arrogant and he doesn't think highly of himself. However, TH is hot tempered (walk off the court, try to hit a spectator,etc).


i'm glad kwun hasn't closed this thread as i expected :)

ssully, once again you have made 'very good' and 'fair' comment about taufik, i guest your comment above become the closing for this thread...

[ssuly]

hey i don't care what they said about taufik, hey ssuly i think your logic little little error, you're always said this is the truth but i think many your opinion is errorr or maybe b*** ****
baihaki_as, so basicly you are TH's fans, but you don't care how people view TH???? It doesn't sound reasonable at all..
I was just trying to say that NATURALLY YOU AS TH'S FANS SHOULD CARE HOW PEOPLE VIEW HIM, REALLY2 CARE!!
It's just WITHOUT REALIZING IT, YOU GAVE UP CARING ABOUT IT!! WHY???
BECAUSE so many people in this forum DISAGREE WITH YOU and they have been so DOMINANCE, THEN WITHOUT REALIZING IT, u decided to STAY FIRM WITH YOUR beliefs and CLOSE your EYES!!

I'm actually just trying to bring justice back to TH, cuz some of these ANTI-TH'S diehard fans really views TH unrealistically (not based on solid reasoning and facts).