Many Indonesia are afraid of playing in great China region (China, Hong Kong, Macau...). They thought there were too many disadvantages, the number of strong Chinese lineups, fans, judges, lines-persons, ... but reality check, they even won 2 titles in the China open!

if we look at more details, just take a look at Markis KIDO and Hendra SETIAWAN, they were very mediocre outside China, Quarter-Finalist at WC, AC, and most others, never won any titles. But for all the China high stars tournaments, 6 star HK open, 6 star China Open, and World cup, they won them all! They were average double players outside China, but in China, they were invincible, and won 15 matches consecutively to grab 6 star titles.

Things are always different from what you thought, in bad way, or maybe a good way.

Home crowd does bring advantage, and hostile away gym might be a bit disadvantage. However, I would rather quote their recent success as a hot streak, as all the tournies are pretty much within the past 2 months. It's more related with their recent streak, regardless where it's taken place. :rolleyes:

Home crowd does bring advantage, and hostile away gym might be a bit disadvantage. However, I would rather quote their recent success as a hot streak, as all the tournies are pretty much within the past 2 months. It's more related with their recent streak, regardless where it's taken place. :rolleyes:
...esp. the no.(or absences) of top MD pairs competing in all those events(ie. from Korea, Denmark)...:rolleyes: ;)

...esp. the no.(or absences) of top MD pairs competing in all those events(ie. from Korea, Denmark)...:rolleyes: ;)

markis/hendra defeated the #1 denmark pair (#2 world ranking) in semifinal 21:15, 21:16 and finally they defeated cai/fu 21:16,21:16, they're very convincing, aren't they ? :D

markis/hendra defeated the #1 denmark pair (#2 world ranking) in semifinal 21:15, 21:16 and finally they defeated cai/fu 21:16,21:16, they're very convincing, aren't they ? :D

Oh...yesss from the beginning I have always believed that these young men are very powerful and fast!!!! Watch out Cai/Fu....and All Malaysian Pairs!!!

Then my prediction came true...Now meeting Markis/hendra is a nightmare:D for other MD pairs.

Actually, at present markis/hendra can only be defeated by their seniors (Chandra/Tony) ONLY:D because they have been trained by the same guru.

YEAR 2007 will be the year of Markis/Hendra....:D They will be Rank 1 very soon

I think Kido and Setiawan have done very well and they're in great form thus far, outshining even Luluk and Alvent. It is not easy to maintain good form throughout and their mental preparedness must be quite thorough.

Credit must go to this exciting pair who has found the right formula for now.

if we look at more details, just take a look at Markis KIDO and Hendra SETIAWAN, they were very mediocre outside China, Quarter-Finalist at WC, AC, and most others, never won any titles. But for all the China high stars tournaments, 6 star HK open, 6 star China Open, and World cup, they won them all! They were average double players outside China, but in China, they were invincible, and won 15 matches consecutively to grab 6 star titles.


You have seriously underestimated Kido/Hendra!!

Never won any titles?? They have won the Asian Championships (beating Jung Jae Sung/Lee Jae Jin), Indonesia Open (beating Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto) and the SEA Games gold (beating Chan Choong Ming/Koo Kien Keat in the SF and Luluk/Alvent in the final) last year. That's 3 titles last year.

This year, it happens that they win all their three titles in the Greater China region. However, they have a good record in the Indonesia Open and Korea Open, beating some of the top 10 pairs.

It's true that they were a bit inconsistent in the first half of this year. But, they have improved tremendously since then, losing only seven matches up to today, to Anthony Clark/Robert Blair (in the All England and World Championships), Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya (in the Indonesia Open and Korea Open), Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah (Asian Championships), Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Hendra Wijaya (Singapore Open), and Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (World Cup group games).

They have beaten almost all the pairs in the top 10 and only have a bad record against Anthony Clark/Robert Blair (I dunno for wat reason) for top 10 pairs. They have perfect records against Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui, and Gan Teik Chai/Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif, which are arguably their top opponents for the next 5-7 years!

They already have a lot of fans in China now, many people like them because they are nice to fans :)

You have seriously underestimated Kido/Hendra!!


You misunderstood me. I was promoting them :D I also predicted for them inspite of most others against them in this forum's prediction sessions. :D :D


Never won any titles?? They have won the Asian Championships (beating Jung Jae Sung/Lee Jae Jin), Indonesia Open (beating Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto) and the SEA Games gold (beating Chan Choong Ming/Koo Kien Keat in the SF and Luluk/Alvent in the final) last year. That's 3 titles last year.
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I meant this year :D :D :D

markis/hendra defeated the #1 denmark pair (#2 world ranking) in semifinal 21:15, 21:16 and finally they defeated cai/fu 21:16,21:16, they're very convincing, aren't they ?
I wouldn't say "convincing", but "surprising"...;):)
yes, they've defeated a Danish pair but it was in 1 of the tourney..They've also defeated Fu/Cai in China Open, but then lost last week in the exhibition World Cup against them..;)
Correct me if i'm wrong, but they haven't yet to face all the full "top tiered" MD pairs in a tourney have they..If they did, most likely they haven't gone far(see World Championship)...:rolleyes: ;)
Oh...yesss from the beginning I have always believed that these young men are very powerful and fast!!!! Watch out Cai/Fu....and All Malaysian Pairs!!!

Then my prediction came true...Now meeting Markis/hendra is a nightmare:D for other MD pairs.

Actually, at present markis/hendra can only be defeated by their seniors (Chandra/Tony) ONLY:D because they have been trained by the same guru.

YEAR 2007 will be the year of Markis/Hendra....:D They will be Rank 1 very soon
actually i was awaiting their rematch against Tony/Candra in the JO, but Markis/Hendra lost before they were able to meet the 2 veterans...:p
Hope both of them will meet again in the not so distant future, as i would like to see the young INA pair finally pull it out..;):):cool:

I'll say this, and maybe i'm expecting too much, but i will only "have confidence" in them, once they can perform consistently over several months or say 1 yr...If they can keep on improving and help the INA squad in next yr's Sudirman Cup and if they can end next yr near the top, then i will "have confidence" them...But at the present moment, i'm being "cautiously optimistic"(if that's the right word, because of what happened with Luluk/Alvent)...:rolleyes: :p ;)

i think having no pressure to win helps too. The MAL MD cracked because the pressure is so great to get a win, not just being a runner up. Cai and fu have to add more variety to their tactic. It's nice to see new blood from INA MD team.

actually i was awaiting their rematch against Tony/Candra in the JO, but Markis/Hendra lost before they were able to meet the 2 veterans...:p


Err...they WERE NOT even competing in the Japan Open!

Err...they WERE NOT even competing in the Japan Open!

LOL. Muahaha. How come they lost in a tourney they did not even taking part?

I do wish PBSI sent them to play more often. *sigh*.

Err...they WERE NOT even competing in the Japan Open!
..hehe, true they(Markis & Hendra) didn't compete in the JO, meant to say i wished they had played in the Japan Open(since Tony & Candra were competing as well)...:rolleyes: ;)

but they still inconsistent especially for markis, i hope their fith not like Alvent/luluk

they're still 21 YO... they can still improve more further :)

i'm sure 2 - 5 years more:) ,they're going to rule The MD-world, cai/fu, tony/chandra, LWW/CTF may have retired at those years

They already have a lot of fans in China now, many people like them because they are nice to fans :)


he..he i'm glad they (like taufik ) :D can attract some fans in china..

cai/fu as the same age with markis/hendra i think

they're still 21 YO... they can still improve more further :)

i'm sure 2 - 5 years more:) ,they're going to rule The MD-world, cai/fu, tony/chandra, LWW/CTF may have retired at those years
probably it is already the end for them.... :crying: :crying:

i think the replacement better

cai/fu as the same age with markis/hendra i think

This has been discussed before!
Cai Yun is 26 yo.
Fu Haifeng is 22 yo.

This has been discussed before!
Cai Yun is 26 yo.
Fu Haifeng is 22 yo.

Badmania, cai yun can't be 26 yo. I'm really sure that both of them are 22 yo.

Badmania, cai yun can't be 26 yo. I'm really sure that both of them are 22 yo.


Cai Yun. Gender: M. Date of birth: 19/01/80. Place of birth: Jiangsu Province. Height: 182cm. Weight: 68kg. Status: Athlete ...
delegation.olympic.cn/yundongyuan/ yundongyuan-e.php?Array=690

Fu Haifeng (born 2 January 1984 in Jieyang Guangdong province)
www.answers.com/topic/fu-haifeng

Badmania, cai yun can't be 26 yo. I'm really sure that both of them are 22 yo.

Sorry dude...I am VERY SURE I am correct :D

Badmania, cai yun can't be 26 yo. I'm really sure that both of them are 22 yo.
..ssuly, sorry, just out of curiosity, are you also an Indonesian??..because i've noticed most of your posts are "centered" or "revolved" around Indonesian players/athletes...sorry again if you are not Indonesian..;) :p :)

i think "she" is indonesian

i think "she" is indonesian
..got it, thanks(i also noticed a clue in one of her earlier posts)..;):cool: ..

..got it, thanks(i also noticed a clue in one of her earlier posts)..;):cool: ..

she's a student in california university :rolleyes:

Sorry dude...I am VERY SURE I am correct :D

Sorry Friend I'm with the Cai = 26, Fu =22 answer. I think the confusion is from the World Championships where the bozo English announcer was talking about Cai & Fu = 22 yrs old and they put that on the screen too. This was a technical glitch as serveral other sources indicate Cai is older than Fu.

Damn there was an article about how the two teamed up and it was clearly in there how Fu joined the team where an older Cai was already playing doubles. Can't find it now.

Hope this helps,

Derek

cai/fu as the same age with markis/hendra i think

They're not the same age.CY is 4 years older than FHF.FHF was born in 84,or 83.Markis/hendra both was born in 84.

They already have a lot of fans in china now,many people like them because they are nice to fans

Indo,malay,denmark,spore(any countries that could at least speaks some english) players wont have any problems with attracting or being friendly to the worldwide fans:).Besides,some of them wont have any problems for being too arrogant to speak with their fans or something.The chinese players having this kind of problem,since they cant speak in any other language except chinese(putonghua,fujian,or cantonese):o.N some of their players can hardly do the smile when the fans were taking pics with them:(.Too bad though..They cant just be badminton machine.They have to be human too..

They have to learn to smile like :) or :D.Learn it from zhangning.She's the only one i know that would smile wide with her fans.