Please Help!

[azabaz_ipoh]

First of all, sorry for the all CAPS. i just wanted people to notice this thread. I have a problem. I've been playing with my friends for nearly a year now and we have always thought about joining a tournament. and finally, there will be a tournament this december and my friends and me has decided to enter. we will be playing women's doubles. however, all this while, we have been playing using the old rules. the 15 points rules. this tournament will use the new rules. the 21 points system by IBF. i tried to read the rules on the website but i get confused. this is my question.

there player 1 and player 2. player 1 will start serve on the right side. they play and get a point. player 1 will move to left side. play, and get another point. player 1 moves to right again. play and opponent gain a point. player1op serves from right. the ball went out of play. we get one point right? so now the situation, the point would be 3-1 right? player 1 on the right side or move to the left after getting that point? if player 1 on right side, does player 1 serve again because he/she on the right side or player 2 serve even though he/she on the left side?

can anybody help me please with this?

[ryim_]

i am not sure if this is correct but if this happens, it should be player 2 (your partner) who serves at 3-1. When you regain the serve, you do not move but rather, it depends on what the score is. If its even, then the person on the right serves but if its odd, then the player on the left side serves.

[RiceBaiiKhao]

Yes when you regain serve, if your score is odd (ex;7) the left player serves
if you win the rally, she moves.
if the score is even (ex;18) the persone on the right serves. if you lose the rally, its the same thing for them.

You don't move when you regain serve. You only move (left to right or vice-versa) When you have the serve, and win the rally

Sorry its pretty hard to make it simple and clear.

[ryim_]

Yes when you regain serve, if your score is odd (ex;7) the left player serves
if you win the rally, she moves.
if the score is even (ex;18) the persone on the right serves. if you lose the rally, its the same thing for them.

You don't move when you regain serve. You only move (left to right or vice-versa) When you have the serve, and win the rally

Sorry its pretty hard to make it simple and clear.
so true but its quite simple once you start to play a few games with it.

[azabaz_ipoh]

so, let me get this straight. the serve does nor neccessarily start on the right. it depends on who is serving next? and the players move like before. first server will be on the right court on even points and on the left court on odd points. does that mean the server rotates? meaning player 1 serves first. then when they gain service, player 2 will serve not matter if he/she on the right side or left side. and then when they gain service again, player 1 will serve no matter where he/she is?:confused:

[ryim_]

so, let me get this straight. the serve does nor neccessarily start on the right. it depends on who is serving next? and the players move like before. first server will be on the right court on even points and on the left court on odd points. does that mean the server rotates? meaning player 1 serves first. then when they gain service, player 2 will serve not matter if he/she on the right side or left side. and then when they gain service again, player 1 will serve no matter where he/she is?:confused:
I think you're confused...its more like singles now. Lets say if you regain the serve at 3-1 (odd), then the left player will serve. On the other hand, if you regain the serve at 6-1(even), the right player serves. Its just like singles but no one moves when you regain the serve.

[azabaz_ipoh]

:confused: yeah, i think i am confused. maybe after i had a session using the new system i can understand it better. i seriously love the old system 15x3.

[azabaz_ipoh]

doesnt that mean that only one player serves? 3-1 left player serve. player 1 is on the left side. 6-1 right player serve. player 1 on the right. i'm not making this any easier to understand aren't i?

[CWB001]

Let's try and make this as simple as possible:

At the start the score is 0-0 which is an even score. So the player of the serving side standing on the right serves.

If the serving side wins the point they swap sides and the same server continues, but serving from the left because the score is 1-0 (an odd score).

This swapping of sides continues until the receiving side wins a rally (and a point).

The players standing on the side relevant to the incoming score always serves. In this example the score is 1 so the left player serves. If they win the point they swap sides and continue serving, alternating between left(odd score) and right (even score) for the server.

When the original serving side wins a rally (and a point) they will come in serving from the side relevant to their score - and it will always be the player that did not serve the last time, the servers always take turns in the same order.

A side that wins a point while serving always swaps sides for the next point. The receiving side nevers swaps sides, even when it wins a point.

[azabaz_ipoh]

so, all i need to remember is, at no time will i serve consecutively while playing doubles. position on court will corresponds to the points, meaning if i'm the first player, on odd points i'll be on the left side and on even points i'll be on the right side. and on gaining a point when we are the receivers, no changing of place will occur. right? did i get it?:)

[toddster]

For singles --- If you score is even, stand on the right side when you serve, if your score is odd, stand on the left side when you serve.

For Doubles --- At the start of the game, you start on the right side. When you lose a rally (your opponent now has 1 point) the opponent starts from the left side.

Todd's Rules for rally scoring

If you serve and win the rally, change side and serve again.

Lets say we have two doubles teams. One team has players A and B, the other team has players 1 and 2.
When starting A is on the right service court serving to 1(on 1's service court).
A will keep serving and changing sides untill team AB loses a rally.
2 will serve from the left service court. 2 will keep serving (and changing sides) untill team 12 loses the rally.
Then player B serves. B will keep serving untill team AB loses the rally.
Then 1 serves and keeps serving untill team 12 loses the rally.
Then A serves and keeps serving until team AB loses the rally.
etc.


Recievers don't change sides only server.

The rally point scoring system is easier to teach people who have never played badminton. It seems impossible to teach people who are used to the old scoring system.

I suggest try playing with people who really understand it. Just walk through it for fun, dont' try to win the game just hit stupid shots on purpose to under the scoring. Then once you understand it play seriously.

[azabaz_ipoh]

Thank you for all the explaination. I think i got it now. Plus someone gave me this link to a some sort of table on how the serve and players move. I can't wait to try it out next monday. And for the record, i still love the 15x3 format. If not for the fact that i am entering a tournament that uses 21x3 format, i think i would never learn to use it. :)