Asian Games 2006 Draws

[badMania]

MEN'S TEAM EVENT
GROUP A
China
Indonesia -- bad draw for Indonesia
India

GROUP B
Korea
Thailand
Vietnam

GROUP C
Malaysia
Hong Kong
Japan

Group winners qualify for semi-finals, while the runner-ups will be grouped again to determine the final qualifier. Indonesia is likely to be paired with Thailand and Japan, unless it beats China.

WOMEN'S TEAM
GROUP A
China
Malaysia
Indonesia -- again, a bad draw since it means a do-or-die tie against Malaysia to prevent being eliminated in the group stage

GROUP B
Thailand
Hong Kong
Singapore

GROUP C
Japan
Korea
Chinese Taipei

Similarly, runner-ups will be grouped again. It will be a miracle if Team Indonesia can get to semi-finals. They have a chance to beat Malaysia only if they win the second, third singles and second doubles. Even if they beat Malaysia, they will entertain two other strong teams (probably Japan and either Thailand or Singapore).

[badMania]

I will skip the WS and WD since the golds will definitely go to China, unless, there's a miracle.

Starting with XD:
The top seed Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir has a tricky quarter-final against possibly the unseeded Zheng Bo/Gao Ling. If they win, they will either face Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung or Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Li Yujia for a place in the final.

In the bottom half, Alvent Yulianto/Vita Marissa should pass their first round test against Keita Masuda/Kanako Yonekura. However, Lee Yong Dae/Hwang Yu Mi awaits in the second round. If Alvent/Vita can progress to the quarter-final, another fearsome foe Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam will be their opponent for a semi-final spot. The other semi-final spot is likely to be secured by Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen.

So, it's not an easy route for Nova/Butet for gold.

[ctjcad]

I will skip the WS and WD since the golds will definitely go to China, unless, there's a miracle.

Starting with XD:
The top seed Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir has a tricky quarter-final against possibly the unseeded Zheng Bo/Gao Ling. If they win, they will either face Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung or Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Li Yujia for a place in the final.

In the bottom half, Alvent Yulianto/Vita Marissa should pass their first round test against Keita Masuda/Kanako Yonekura. However, Lee Yong Dae/Hwang Yu Mi awaits in the second round. If Alvent/Vita can progress to the quarter-final, another fearsome foe Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam will be their opponent for a semi-final spot. The other semi-final spot is likely to be secured by Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen.

So, it's not an easy route for Nova/Butet for gold.
badMania, thanks for the intro. analysis of the AG draw..Just curious, why isn't Flandy playing with Vita?? Last minute injury? Or the coaches wanted to try a new pairing??..Any news on this??..:confused:

[ants]

They can't play together due to coach decision.

[ctjcad]

Group winners qualify for semi-finals, while the runner-ups will be grouped again to determine the final qualifier. Indonesia is likely to be paired with Thailand and Japan, unless it beats China.
hmm...OK, so what i understand is, after the initial round-robin groups play, then there will be only 6 teams remaining, with 3 teams in each group(GWs and RUs). Then comes what??.:confused: :rolleyes: .sorry if i don't quite understand the process.:p

[badMania]

The MD draw is pretty interesting.

Quarter 1
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (1)
Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man (5/8)
-- Fu/Cai get a bye in the first round. They will entertain the Thai no 1 pair Sudket Prapakamol/Patapol Ngernsrisuk in the second round. Lee/Hwang also receive a bye, but, their second round opponent is the newly formed Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong, who first have to beat their unknown opponent in the first round. It will be a cracking match and the winner should face Fu/Cai in the quarter-final for yet another exciting encounter. I do hope that KKK/TBH qualify from this quarter.

Quarter 2
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (3/4)
Albertus Susanto Njoto/Yohan Wiratama Hadikusumo (5/8)
-- Kido/Hendra are yet again drawn against the opponent which troubled them the most recently: Hendri/Hendra. But, the Indonesian-born Singaporean pair has to beat Sato/Sasaki in the first round. If Kido/Hendra can survive the tricky second round tie, they will probably face another ex-Indonesian pair, now representing Hong Kong. Kido/Hendra SHOULD at least progress to the semi-final (bronze medal).

Quarter 3
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (5/8)
Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui (3/4)
-- Luluk/Alvent will have no problem progressing to the quarter-final where Mohd Tazari/Lin or Zheng/Guo possibly awaits them. At their current form, it will be a bonus if they can beat either pair and obtain a bronze.

Quarter 4
Keita Masuda/Tadashi Ohtsuka (5/8)
Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (2)
-- probably the easiest quarter to be in and Jung/Lee should breeze through the semi-finals.

Overall. it's again not easy for Kido/Hendra to win the gold medal. Their main obstacle will be Fu/Cai. If KKK/TBH can beat the top-seeded Chinese pair, it should make their task easier :cool:

[badMania]

hmm...If that's the case, after the initial round-robin play, then there will be only 6 teams remaining, with 3 teams in each group(GWs and RUs). Then comes what??.:confused: :rolleyes: .sorry if i don't quite understand the process.:p

There will be only 3 teams in the play-off group (all runner-ups). The winner of the group will join the other 3 group winners in the semi-finals.

[badMania]

badMania, thanks for the intro. analysis of the AG draw..Just curious, why isn't Flandy playing with Vita?? Last minute injury? Or the coaches wanted to try a new pairing??..Any news on this??..:confused:

There was some confusion regarding the number of players allowed for the team-event. Each contingent is only allowed 16 players. Flandy Limpele and Nathalia Poluakan have to be ommited from the squad because of that.

[ctjcad]

The MD draw is pretty interesting.

Quarter 1
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (1)
Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man (5/8)
-- Fu/Cai get a bye in the first round. They will entertain the Thai no 1 pair Sudket Prapakamol/Patapol Ngernsrisuk in the second round. Lee/Hwang also receive a bye, but, their second round opponent is the newly formed Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong, who first have to beat their unknown opponent in the first round. It will be a cracking match and the winner should face Fu/Cai in the quarter-final for yet another exciting encounter. I do hope that KKK/TBH qualify from this quarter.

Quarter 2
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (3/4)
Albertus Susanto Njoto/Yohan Wiratama Hadikusumo (5/8)
-- Kido/Hendra are yet again drawn against the opponent which troubled them the most recently: Hendri/Hendra. But, the Indonesian-born Singaporean pair has to beat Sato/Sasaki in the first round. If Kido/Hendra can survive the tricky second round tie, they will probably face another ex-Indonesian pair, now representing Hong Kong. Kido/Hendra SHOULD at least progress to the semi-final (bronze medal).

Quarter 3
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (5/8)
Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui (3/4)
-- Luluk/Alvent will have no problem progressing to the quarter-final where Mohd Tazari/Lin or Zheng/Guo possibly awaits them. At their current form, it will be a bonus if they can beat either pair and obtain a bronze.

Quarter 4
Keita Masuda/Tadashi Ohtsuka (5/8)
Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (2)
-- probably the easiest quarter to be in and Jung/Lee should breeze through the semi-finals.

Overall. it's again not easy for Kido/Hendra to win the gold medal. Their main obstacle will be Fu/Cai. If KKK/TBH can beat the top-seeded Chinese pair, it should make their task easier :cool:
..hmm, i see a lot of "new" fresh faces/pairs here(in comparison to 4 yrs ago)..the top "veterans" are Matsuda/Ohtsuka, Njoto/Hadikusumo and maybe Alvent/Luluk and/or Fu/Cai??..:rolleyes: ;)

[badMania]

WD
Jo Novita/Greysia Polii are seeded 5/8 and should have no problem qualifying for the quarter-final. But, their journey will also stop there as once again, they are drawn against the top seed Gao Ling/Huang Sui.

The other pair, Lita Nurlita/Vita Marissa should also pass their first test in Shinta Mulia Sari/Vanessa Neo Yu Yan, but, Saralee Thoungthongkam/Sathinee Jankrajangwong will be their opponent for a place in the quarter-final. Even if they beat Saralee/Sathinee, their journey will also end at the hand of another Chinese pair, Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen.

-- So, there will be no medal for Indonesia in WD unless there's a miracle.

[badMania]

As for WS, the players also face the same fate. Fransisca Ratnasari has an easy first round tie against a Sri Lankan player, but, the top seed Zhang Ning is already waiting for her in the second round.

Adriyanti Firdasari already has a tricky first round tie against Lee Yun Hwa, a tie which I fear she might lose. Even if she beat the Korean, Wong Mew Choo will be waiting in the second round. If lady luck is shining again and Firda can overcome the first two obstacles, Wang Chen will probably be her opponent in the quarter-final.

Therefore, it will be a miracle even for either player to reach the quarter-final.

[ctjcad]

There will be only 3 teams in the play-off group (all runner-ups). The winner of the group will join the other 3 group winners in the semi-finals.
...i see, so the RUs will have to play another go at round-robin play, before meeting the 3 QFs...So then the winner of the RU group will play the winner from which group??..Is it from Group A, B or C??..:rolleyes: :p

[badMania]

Finally, the MS.

Quarter 1
Lin Dan (1)
Ng Wei (5/8)
-- Simon Santoso is also in this quarter and he is faced with a tricky first round tie against the much improved Nguyen Tien Minh. If he wins, he will meet Ng Wei in the second round. The winner will take on Lin Dan in the quarter-final.

Quarter 2
Lee Hyun Il (3/4)
Mohd Hafiz Hashim (5/8)
-- Hafiz will face either Kendrick Lee Yen Hui or Sho Sasaki in the second round. The winner will entertain Lee Hyun Il in the quarter-final.

Quarter 3
Taufik Hidayat (5/8)
Bao Chunlai (3/4)
-- Taufik has a tricky second round tie against Park Sung Hwan. If he wins, he will face Bao Chunlai in the quarter-final. Meanwhile, Bao himself has to beat Ronald Susilo in the second round. It will take a huge effort if Taufik is to reach the semi-final and get at least a bronze.

Quarter 4
Boonsak Ponsana (5/8)
Lee Chongwei (2)
-- the Malaysian player will square off against Shoji Sato in the second round and possibly Boonsak Ponsana (yet again) in the quarter-final. However, Boonsak has to first beat Chan Yan Kit and Anup Sridhar in order to reach the quarter-final.

[badMania]

...i see, so the RUs will have to play another go at round-robin play, before meeting the 3 QFs...So then the winner of the RU group will play the winner from which group??..Is it from Group A, B or C??..:rolleyes: :p

I am still not sure yet. The ppt file does not indicate which team will meet which team in the semi-finals :cool: It could possibly be A vs B and C vs the playoff winner.

[ctjcad]

They can't play together due to coach decision.

There was some confusion regarding the number of players allowed for the team-event. Each contingent is only allowed 16 players. Flandy Limpele and Nathalia Poluakan have to be ommited from the squad because of that.
..hmm, so basically they sacrificed Flandy for who??..Sorry, can you list the members of the INA team in this yr's AG squad, again..:p:o :) ..

[badMania]

..hmm, so basically they sacrificed Flandy for who??..Sorry, can you list the members of the INA team in this yr's AG squad, again..:p:o :) ..

Alvent Yulianto is now paired with Vita Marissa in the XD.
Meanwhile, Vita will also pair up with Lita Nurlita in the WD.

MEN'S TEAM
Taufik Hidayat
Simon Santoso
Sony Dwi Kuncoro
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto
Nova Widianto

WOMEN'S TEAM
Fransisca Ratnasari
Adriyanti Firdasari
Pia Bernadet Zebadiah
Jo Novita/Greysia Polii
Lita Nurlita/Vita Marissa
Lilyana Natsir

[ctjcad]

Alvent Yulianto is now paired with Vita Marissa in the XD.
Meanwhile, Vita will also pair up with Lita Nurlita in the WD.

MEN'S TEAM
Taufik Hidayat
Simon Santoso
Sony Dwi Kuncoro
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto
Nova Widianto

WOMEN'S TEAM
Fransisca Ratnasari
Adriyanti Firdasari
Pia Bernadet Zebadiah
Jo Novita/Greysia Polii
Lita Nurlita/Vita Marissa
Lilyana Natsir

The new combination in WD and XD, it seems PBSI use try & error method to fulfill DAGOC quota amid confusion to find best formation. PBSI defends Vita stay in squad probably because consideration she's multifunction/flexible shuttler to partner with any player but never see Alvent plays mixed so far. Any info about others fixed bdm team (MAS & KOR) to compete in Doha?
sorry for coming in late and not paying close attention..:o :p
hmm, i see, so the young Ms. Zebadiah is being put out there to get her feet wet in the AG...I understand PBSI's decision of making the squad "balanced" and giving the youngster an opportunity to play, but interesting..:rolleyes: ;)
Well, this is a tough one, but i just took a quick snippet from CLELY's post in the Changes to Team Indonesia (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37857[/url) thread. *Personally*, sorry, not to sound harsh or anything, but with the recent results of Luluk/Alvent, i would put Flandy in the team instead of Luluk instead(since he can play both doubles events also). That way Flandy can play, even if he has to play as the 2nd MD pair with Alvent(i mean if i think abt it, what difference or what is/are there to lose if Alvent is paired up with Flandy)-->just like Vita's flexibility to play multiple events. Thus he still can retain his partnership with Vita, as INA 2nd XD pair. Have Alvent/Vita played competitively with each other before??..But who knows, maybe the coaches also want to see what kind of partnership will come out of the Alvent & Vita pairing?!?!:confused: :rolleyes: :p Sigh..Anyways, that's a tough one to decide..:p ;)

[cao ci dan]

MEN'S TEAM EVENT
GROUP A
China
Indonesia -- bad draw for Indonesia
India
GROUP C
Malaysia
Hong Kong
Japan
:D :p Yap Kim Hock must be laughing at this!!

[bic33]

yeah... INA will almost automatically be out... all the women's events goes to china..lol

[*izzyC*]

...i see, so the RUs will have to play another go at round-robin play, before meeting the 3 QFs...So then the winner of the RU group will play the winner from which group??..Is it from Group A, B or C??..:rolleyes: :p

The winner of the RU group will play against the winner from Group A, so its likely(and almost certainly) that we will see Indonesia vs China again in the semis..

[badMania]

Yup, got this from the Star:


“Under this new three-group format, the runners-up will have to play another round to win the last semi-final slot. The winners will then play against the Group A champions to reach the final. It is likely that China and Indonesia will meet again in the semi-finals.”
While Kim Hock was happy with the men’s team draw, the other events – men’s singles, women’s singles and doubles and mixed doubles – could only promise bronze medals.

No matter what, Indonesia have to beat China at least once in order to reach the Final. So, that goes the gold in the team event :cool:

They HAVE to win both doubles and hope that one of the singles can deliver the point. It looks like Sony might have a chance against Chen Jin as the third singles.

[cooler]

November 18, 2006 19:30 PM
Badminton Gets Favourable Draw For Asian Games

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 18 (Bernama) -- Badminton chief coach Yap Kim Hock could not have wished for a better Asian Games draw after securing five favourable fixtures of the six events in the Doha Asian Games.

In the men's team event, Malaysia are virtually assured of a place in the semi-finals after being drawn in Group C with Hong Kong and Japan, while the women's team may face early hiccups in Group X with China and Indonesia.

In the men's singles event, Lee Chong Wei, by virtue of his world No. 2 ranking, will avoid bogeyman Lin Dan of China until the finals. Today's draw left the gold medal at stake in Malaysians' hands.

The only obstacle in Chong Wei's path for gold is China's Bao Chunlai or Indonesia's Taufik Hidayat as they are likely to be his semi-final opponents.

"I am happy with the overall draw. It was a good draw for Malaysia. In the men's singles, we have the chance to have two Malaysians in the semi-finals as (Muhamad) Hafiz Hashim also do not have strong opponents in the early draws.

"However, the men's doubles draw was not so favourable. They face a tough fight in early stages but they do have the chance to advance to the semi-finals," he said after the draw conducted by the Asian Badminton Confederation.

In the women's doubles event, they managed to avoid powerhouse China in the early stages.

The women's doubles pair Wong Pei Tty-Chin Ee Hui could secure a surprise semi-finals spot if they can overcome Taiwan's Chien Yu Chin-Cheng Wen Hsing.

In the women's singles event, Wong Mew Choo has an outside chance of reaching the semi-finals if she can upset third seed Wang Chen of Hong Kong.

"The path for the semi-finals are looking good for us in the five events including in the mixed-doubles.

"We are still sticking to our target of one gold medal in the Asian Games. There will be no changes to the target set by the Badminton Association of Malaysia," he added.

The badminton squad will leave for Doha on Nov 25 to acclimatise and test out the courts.

-- BERNAMA

[kemana]

well, thank you all guys for the info

[ctjcad]

Yup, got this from the Star:

“Under this new three-group format, the runners-up will have to play another round to win the last semi-final slot. The winners will then play against the Group A champions to reach the final. It is likely that China and Indonesia will meet again in the semi-finals.”
While Kim Hock was happy with the men’s team draw, the other events – men’s singles, women’s singles and doubles and mixed doubles – could only promise bronze medals.

No matter what, Indonesia have to beat China at least once in order to reach the Final. So, that goes the gold in the team event :cool:
hehe, to put it mildly, they HAVE TO WIN against CHN in order for them to advance..;) :D ..For them to win both MDs, it won't be easy, but very much possible..I have a feeling though, again, it depends on Taufik, as the table setter, that INA have a 50-50 chance of advancing to the Finals, so all hope is not lost..
If Taufik performs well as 1st MS, you'll be seeing a lot of happy faces in INA and esp. here in BC/BF..hehe:rolleyes::D;)
If not, then....:rolleyes::p;)


They HAVE to win both doubles and hope that one of the singles can deliver the point. It looks like Sony might have a chance against Chen Jin as the third singles.
..In team competition, PRESSURE is the name of the game.:p :D ..And we'll see how the youngsters for both CHN and INA will do...We'll see those in CJ and in Kido/Setiawan hold their nerves, as this will be their first time ever competing in the AG..:rolleyes: ;) :cool:

[ctjcad]

The winner of the RU group will play against the winner from Group A, so its likely(and almost certainly) that we will see Indonesia vs China again in the semis..
gotcha!!..;):cool:

[badMania]

The lineup for China vs Indonesia (more or less confirmed)
S1 Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (55-45)
D1 Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (50-50)
S2 Bao Chunlai vs Simon Santoso (60-40)
D2 Zheng Bo/Guo Zhendong vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (50-50)
S3 Chen Jin vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55-45).

So, Indonesia is more or less the underdogs in almost every tie (except for maybe both doubles). Chen Jin has yet to meet Sony, and judging from Sony's recent victory over Taufik, he might have a chance of winning the tie.

I think only indra will argue otherwise.

[**KZ**]

woah....great draw...hope chong wei can avenge his defeat to BCL and reach the finals....however there is also a possibility that he'll meet taufik in the semis....hope it's gonna be BCL....

[zqloy]

I think Markis/Hendra looks good for the title. Their recent performance is incredible, beatan all of their opponents in straight sets. If they dont crack like what they did in WC and play their normal game, should not be a problem.

[NgauNgau]

The MD draw is pretty interesting.

Quarter 1
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (1)
Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man (5/8)
-- Fu/Cai get a bye in the first round. They will entertain the Thai no 1 pair Sudket Prapakamol/Patapol Ngernsrisuk in the second round. Lee/Hwang also receive a bye, but, their second round opponent is the newly formed Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong, who first have to beat their unknown opponent in the first round. It will be a cracking match and the winner should face Fu/Cai in the quarter-final for yet another exciting encounter. I do hope that KKK/TBH qualify from this quarter.



What!! KKK/TBH will have to face Fu/Cai in the quarter-final (if they succeed in entering, I mean)!! Aih... I've always supported Fu/Cai, but I would still want my own my country to take the pride... If they meet during semi-final, it would still be okay, at least the ones who lose can still get a bronze medal (if they beat the other lost-in-semi-final). But now that they'll be meeting in the quarter, none of this will be possible. Sigh! :(

[phaarix]

I guess this means we'll be having quite a lot of LD vs TH matches at this AG :). I think these ones will all be played out though as TH is now playing for his country. Should be interesting then to see how things turn out!

Can't wait to see how well LCW is playing after his break from tournaments. Hope it's all been worthwhile.

I think the individuals draws look pretty exciting. Many great matches on the way it seems :D!

[Sandy]

the worst idea what I've seen in badminton event :rolleyes:

This event hold team & individual and only 8 players in every squad. Too much round robin stage in team then following individual event with less stamina.

Why not directly only the pool winners will play in round robin final stage. Very strage Group A winner will meet again 2nd Group A in Semi Final :confused:

For me knock down system is much better than like this, or 8 team in pool with a elimination round for bottom 2 but it's still need longer time.

[sickgal]

aiks.. why do LCW n BCL has to meet in quarter-final... if ony TH lose ( i mean) .... aiks.. i support BCL to bits... but LCW is my home country player which i support too... torn between these 2 players... haha....whoever win or lose.. i'll be happy for one and sad for the other..aiks...

[Dreamzz]

The lineup for China vs Indonesia (more or less confirmed)
S1 Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (55-45)
D1 Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (50-50)
S2 Bao Chunlai vs Simon Santoso (60-40)
D2 Zheng Bo/Guo Zhendong vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (50-50)
S3 Chen Jin vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55-45).

So, Indonesia is more or less the underdogs in almost every tie (except for maybe both doubles). Chen Jin has yet to meet Sony, and judging from Sony's recent victory over Taufik, he might have a chance of winning the tie.

I think only indra will argue otherwise.

not to mention taufik-ist.
:D

[Dreamzz]

wow, the women's group A does certainly look like the group of death. was there any seedings used to decide who goes into which group, i would have thought that MAS and INA would have been seeded.

[2cents]

The lineup for China vs Indonesia (more or less confirmed)
S1 Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (55-45)
D1 Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (50-50)
S2 Bao Chunlai vs Simon Santoso (60-40)
D2 Zheng Bo/Guo Zhendong vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (50-50)
S3 Chen Jin vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55-45).

So, Indonesia is more or less the underdogs in almost every tie (except for maybe both doubles). Chen Jin has yet to meet Sony, and judging from Sony's recent victory over Taufik, he might have a chance of winning the tie.

I think only indra will argue otherwise.

why this lineup? I think it should be:
S1 Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (55-45)
S2 Chen Jin vs Simon Santoso (60-40)
S3 Bao Chunlai vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55-45).

[Dreamzz]

why this lineup? I think it should be:
S1 Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (55-45)
S2 Chen Jin vs Simon Santoso (60-40)
S3 Bao Chunlai vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55-45).

good point!
i think CJ is currently ranked higher than BCL.
does world ranking matter when deciding the order of play?

[fabcargo]

sorry for coming in late and not paying close attention..:o :p
hmm, i see, so the young Ms. Zebadiah is being put out there to get her feet wet in the AG...I understand PBSI's decision of making the squad "balanced" and giving the youngster an opportunity to play, but interesting..:rolleyes: ;)
Well, this is a tough one, but i just took a quick snippet from CLELY's post in the Changes to Team Indonesia (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37857%5B/url) thread. *Personally*, sorry, not to sound harsh or anything, but with the recent results of Luluk/Alvent, i would put Flandy in the team instead of Luluk instead(since he can play both doubles events also). That way Flandy can play, even if he has to play as the 2nd MD pair with Alvent(i mean if i think abt it, what difference or what is/are there to lose if Alvent is paired up with Flandy)-->just like Vita's flexibility to play multiple events. Thus he still can retain his partnership with Vita, as INA 2nd XD pair. Have Alvent/Vita played competitively with each other before??..But who knows, maybe the coaches also want to see what kind of partnership will come out of the Alvent & Vita pairing?!?!:confused: :rolleyes: :p Sigh..Anyways, that's a tough one to decide..:p ;)

PBSI should hire you

[indra]

The lineup for China vs Indonesia (more or less confirmed)
S1 Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (55-45)
D1 Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (50-50)
S2 Bao Chunlai vs Simon Santoso (60-40)
D2 Zheng Bo/Guo Zhendong vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (50-50)
S3 Chen Jin vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55-45).

So, Indonesia is more or less the underdogs in almost every tie (except for maybe both doubles). Chen Jin has yet to meet Sony, and judging from Sony's recent victory over Taufik, he might have a chance of winning the tie.

I think only indra will argue otherwise.

It is getting clear that China's great wall will soon fall down by the Indonesian "Tsunami" Team....

Both doubles will be won by Ina team...70 :30 in favor of Ina
TH vs LD --> 60 :40 in favor of TH

Simon and Sony : 50:50

[bic33]

It is getting clear that China's great wall will soon fall down by the Indonesian "Tsunami" Team....

Both doubles will be won by Ina team...70 :30 in favor of Ina
TH vs LD --> 60 :40 in favor of TH

Simon and Sony : 50:50

sorry to hurt you indra... but we must sometimes be realistic... :o
based on their recent performances.. i think what badmania gave us is an accurate prediction...:)

[ctjcad]

sorry to hurt you indra... but we must sometimes be realistic... :o
based on their recent performances.. i think what badmania gave us is an accurate prediction...:)
..hehe, noticed he also wrote "I think only indra will argue otherwise."..and lo and behold, look at the post just above yours, by none other than indra..hehe:rolleyes: :p :D ;)

[ctjcad]

PBSI should hire you
hehe, i was just looking and thinking from another approach, since i was a bit surprised by Flandy's absence..But it's a tough decision for PBSI nonetheless..:rolleyes:;):)

[bic33]

simon, based on his recent performances, hasn't been improving lately... he SHOULD (or COULD?) be in the top 10 by now..:)

[indra]

The MD draw is pretty interesting.

Quarter 1
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (1)
Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man (5/8)
-- Fu/Cai get a bye in the first round. They will entertain the Thai no 1 pair Sudket Prapakamol/Patapol Ngernsrisuk in the second round. Lee/Hwang also receive a bye, but, their second round opponent is the newly formed Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong, who first have to beat their unknown opponent in the first round. It will be a cracking match and the winner should face Fu/Cai in the quarter-final for yet another exciting encounter. I do hope that KKK/TBH qualify from this quarter.

Quarter 2
Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (3/4)
Albertus Susanto Njoto/Yohan Wiratama Hadikusumo (5/8)
-- Kido/Hendra are yet again drawn against the opponent which troubled them the most recently: Hendri/Hendra. But, the Indonesian-born Singaporean pair has to beat Sato/Sasaki in the first round. If Kido/Hendra can survive the tricky second round tie, they will probably face another ex-Indonesian pair, now representing Hong Kong. Kido/Hendra SHOULD at least progress to the semi-final (bronze medal).

Quarter 3
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (5/8)
Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui (3/4)
-- Luluk/Alvent will have no problem progressing to the quarter-final where Mohd Tazari/Lin or Zheng/Guo possibly awaits them. At their current form, it will be a bonus if they can beat either pair and obtain a bronze.

Quarter 4
Keita Masuda/Tadashi Ohtsuka (5/8)
Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (2)
-- probably the easiest quarter to be in and Jung/Lee should breeze through the semi-finals.

Overall. it's again not easy for Kido/Hendra to win the gold medal. Their main obstacle will be Fu/Cai. If KKK/TBH can beat the top-seeded Chinese pair, it should make their task easier :cool:

This is disaster for Chinese team....we all will be watching all Indonesian final...1 gold and 1 silver in MD will be grabed by Ina:D

[rwchen]

the worst idea what I've seen in badminton event :rolleyes:

This event hold team & individual and only 8 players in every squad. Too much round robin stage in team then following individual event with less stamina.

Why not directly only the pool winners will play in round robin final stage. Very strage Group A winner will meet again 2nd Group A in Semi Final :confused:

For me knock down system is much better than like this, or 8 team in pool with a elimination round for bottom 2 but it's still need longer time.

I could not agree more. This is the first time to see such a weird arrangement.For a prestigious game like Asian Game, there should be better arrangement than having three groups fighting for four semifinal berths. Putting the top and forth seed in the same group and expect them to meet again in the semi final after the group's runner-up round robin?

[indra]

Finally, the MS.

Quarter 1
Lin Dan (1)
Ng Wei (5/8)
-- Simon Santoso is also in this quarter and he is faced with a tricky first round tie against the much improved Nguyen Tien Minh. If he wins, he will meet Ng Wei in the second round. The winner will take on Lin Dan in the quarter-final.

Quarter 2
Lee Hyun Il (3/4)
Mohd Hafiz Hashim (5/8)
-- Hafiz will face either Kendrick Lee Yen Hui or Sho Sasaki in the second round. The winner will entertain Lee Hyun Il in the quarter-final.

Quarter 3
Taufik Hidayat (5/8)
Bao Chunlai (3/4)
-- Taufik has a tricky second round tie against Park Sung Hwan. If he wins, he will face Bao Chunlai in the quarter-final. Meanwhile, Bao himself has to beat Ronald Susilo in the second round. It will take a huge effort if Taufik is to reach the semi-final and get at least a bronze.

Quarter 4
Boonsak Ponsana (5/8)
Lee Chongwei (2)
-- the Malaysian player will square off against Shoji Sato in the second round and possibly Boonsak Ponsana (yet again) in the quarter-final. However, Boonsak has to first beat Chan Yan Kit and Anup Sridhar in order to reach the quarter-final.

Oh..no...Bao will be in deep trouble again and must forget the medal... and LCW...oh...no....again and again Taufik will stop him from winning the gold.:D

I am not sure if LD can defeat Simon....:D

TH will be waiting in the Final....:)

[X Ball]

Oh..no...Bao will be in deep trouble again and must forget the medal... and LCW...oh...no....again and again Taufik will stop him from winning the gold.:D

I am not sure if LD can defeat Simon....:D

TH will be waiting in the Final....:)

On the contrary, TH will lose to LCW because he would have expended too much in beating Bao --- Bao will not be easy meat for TH and may even win. But whatever, the consequences, BAO or TH would be too weak.

[CLELY]

According the drawing that released by ABC not BWF, INA has heavy-weight drawing in both Team and Individual event.

* Team Event
- Dislike reality for INA Men's Team -- Unseeded position (similar w/ TC last May).
Seems ABC prefer KOR to INA as one of top-three seed beside CHN and MAS.
Big possible because INA's MS world-rank is lower than KOR.

- I guess INA will save their energy in group-stage match against CHN. On paper, CHN will upset INA whatever the end-score (3-2 ; 3-1) with approx.prediction :
1st MS -- LD vs TH (50 : 50)
1st MD -- Cai/Fu vs Kindra (50 : 50)
2nd MS -- CJ vs Simon (55 : 45)
2nd MD -- ZhengB/GuoZD -- Luluk/Alvent (45 : 55)
3rd MS -- BCL vs Sony (55 : 45)

- Then, INA will play the Play-off round together w/ another 2nd position from B and C group. Next, assuming INA win play-off and will meet who? CHN or MAS??
Just wondering of this, chart of ppt file doesn't show us SF's detail who-meet-who?! But my logical sense try to translate that chart => Winner A vs Winner B ; Winner C vs Winner of Play-off. I also read info from JawaPos and Media Indonesia online that said INA will clash again to CHN in Final not SF, so last-4 scenario will be happen -- CHN vs KOR and MAS vs INA (hmm,tough battle for two neighbouring countries).

[rwchen]

I am a bit confused about the arrangement now.

[rwchen]

- Then, INA will play the Play-off round together w/ another 2nd position from B and C group. Next, assuming INA win play-off and will meet who? CHN or MAS??
Just wondering of this, chart of ppt file doesn't show us SF's detail who-meet-who?! But my logical sense try to translate that chart => Winner A vs Winner B ; Winner C vs Winner of Play-off. I also read info from JawaPos and Media Indonesia online that said INA will clash again to CHN in Final not SF, so last-4 scenario will be happen -- CHN vs KOR and MAS vs INA (hmm,tough battle for two neighbouring countries).

According to Malaysia's media, winner of group B will take on winner of group C while winner of group A will play winner of play-off, there is a confusion somewhere here.

[indra]

According to Malaysia's media, winner of group B will take on winner of group C while winner of group A will play winner of play-off, there is a confusion somewhere here.

WHoever Ina will meet in SF or Final, Ina will win:

Ina vs China = at least 3:2 (MS + 2 MD) with two singles 50:50
Ina vs Korea = 5:0
Ina vs Malaysia = 5:0

[cao ci dan]

Oh..no...Bao will be in deep trouble again and must forget the medal... and LCW...oh...no....again and again Taufik will stop him from winning the gold.:D

I am not sure if LD can defeat Simon....:D

TH will be waiting in the Final....:)
You underestimate my SuperDan indra....:cool:

[CLELY]

For Individual event:
- Seems CHN make little change on WD division. Previously, their WD representative were Gao/Huang plus Du/Yu now in the drawing-chart appears the other pair ZhangJW/YangW to join Gao/Huang.

- At least Bronze for Markis/Hendra but Gold still open if they can dump CHN #1 Cai/Fu in big-4 round. But long-journey for Luluk/Alvent entering SF because they must face hard-task MAS's newcomer Tazari/LinWF at QF.

- No hope for INA's women to reach any medal I guess, with attendance of two superb Chinese here. Maybe the others JUST struggle for Bronze.

- TH join 'hell-group' at bottom-half draw together w/ BCL and LCW. Easily path for LD to clinch into last round. Challenge for Simon or Hafiz or Hyun-Il, can one of them close the dream of this Chinese Gold-candidate??

- Brightest chance for N/L to realize Gold for INA if their 'form' normal not bad-condition at Kejurnas Final last Saturday, too many unforced-errors.

[Wildstone]

WHoever Ina will meet in SF or Final, Ina will win:

Ina vs China = at least 3:2 (MS + 2 MD) with two singles 50:50
Ina vs Korea = 5:0
Ina vs Malaysia = 5:0

You are kidding, right ?

[Dreamzz]

WHoever Ina will meet in SF or Final, Ina will win:

Ina vs China = at least 3:2 (MS + 2 MD) with two singles 50:50
Ina vs Korea = 5:0
Ina vs Malaysia = 5:0

i wish i could be this optimistic in life ... :rolleyes:

[Baderz_Jas]

interesting draw! :D China will most likely win the team events :D hehe :D

[Baderz_Jas]

You underestimate my SuperDan indra....:cool:

I think he has :p :D hehe...lol :D

[Baderz_Jas]

WS+WD will go to China for sure :D :p hope BCL will beat TH in the QF (if they get there :D ) Lin Dan will get into the final with no trouble (I hope :eek: :D )

[Baderz_Jas]

does anybody have the draw for XD? :confused: ;) :) thank you :) :D

[bic33]

On the contrary, TH will lose to LCW because he would have expended too much in beating Bao --- Bao will not be easy meat for TH and may even win. But whatever, the consequences, BAO or TH would be too weak.
nice analysis... we've been thinking of the samething! BCL or TH will be exhausted before they reach LCW... IIIFFF they beat LCW, they will have a much much harder time against other opponents because of fatigue factor..:(

[edwin]

does anybody have the draw for XD? :confused: ;) :) thank you :) :D
Hi Baderz_Jas,

All draws can be found in

http://www.badmintonasia.org/attachment/15%20Asian%20Games%20Doha%202006%20Individual%20Ev ents%20Draws.xls

[bananaboy]

I am not sure if LD can defeat Simon....:D

TH will be waiting in the Final....:)

You live in your own fantasy world... maybe it's time for you to go visit disney -land instead.:p

Simon could not even beat CHN's 6th or 7th singles player QBC in the China open... then you expect him to beat Lin Dan...

You should post as many of your predictions as there is only 3 weeks left before you will hide and hibernate when all your predictions fall AGAIN.:p

[badMania]

WHoever Ina will meet in SF or Final, Ina will win:

Ina vs China = at least 3:2 (MS + 2 MD) with two singles 50:50
Ina vs Korea = 5:0
Ina vs Malaysia = 5:0

Well..well...expected outburst from the always so optimistic indra :cool:
Are u on some drugs or something? These predictions are simply out of the world :eek:

[badMania]

For Individual event:
- Seems CHN make little change on WD division. Previously, their WD representative were Gao/Huang plus Du/Yu now in the drawing-chart appears the other pair ZhangJW/YangW to join Gao/Huang.

- At least Bronze for Markis/Hendra but Gold still open if they can dump CHN #1 Cai/Fu in big-4 round. But long-journey for Luluk/Alvent entering SF because they must face hard-task MAS's newcomer Tazari/LinWF at QF.

- Brightest chance for N/L to realize Gold for INA if their 'form' normal not bad-condition at Kejurnas Final last Saturday, too many unforced-errors.

Du Jing/Yu Yang are withdrawn because of an injury to Yu Yang during the World Cup at Yiyang. She must be cursing herself for missing out on Doha due to an exhibitional tournament!

Nova/Butet have the highest chance of winning the gold since they have already beaten all the seeded pairs in Doha. I think 1 gold is a minimum and 2 golds will surely be a bonus. Only ppl living in fantasy world such as indra will insist that INA CAN WIN 4 golds :cool:

[Baderz_Jas]

Hi Baderz_Jas,

All draws can be found in

http://www.badmintonasia.org/attachment/15%20Asian%20Games%20Doha%202006%20Individual%20Ev ents%20Draws.xls

thank you edwin ;) :)

[**KZ**]

WHoever Ina will meet in SF or Final, Ina will win:

Ina vs China = at least 3:2 (MS + 2 MD) with two singles 50:50
Ina vs Korea = 5:0
Ina vs Malaysia = 5:0

wow.....that's so unreal...

[OneToughBirdie]

Well..well...expected outburst from the always so optimistic indra :cool:
Are u on some drugs or something? These predictions are simply out of the world :eek:
Either Indra is an overly optimistic person, diehard patriotic Indonesian, simply getting a kick out of getting people excited over his comments or getting hit on the head by birdies for him to make those comments, or he just believe what he wants to believe would happen...hahahaha. As a badminton fan, I marvel and admire LCW and TH play (as well the badminton maestro Zhao Jian Hua) badminton with their control and technique, w/o them, the game would be ruled by LD and the boys of China, and how boring that would be. The MS finish in WC05 was great with winners from 4 different countries and I was privileged to be there to see it. LD was stretched by PG and that was a hard fought game. WC06 was a different story, I think was dominated by China with LCW, PG and TH out early. I lost interest when those 3 boys are out. Hope WC07 in Malaysia would be exciting cos' I am planning to go home to visit my folks and looking forward to a great game, regardless of who that win. Already LD is a great player, super fit and with LYB playing the cards dealer in arranging easy game for LD if LD's opponent is from China just to let him rest, while LD and TH have to fight it through, dim the respect that LD would and should get if he wins.

[baldybodhi]

Well..well...expected outburst from the always so optimistic indra :cool:
Are u on some drugs or something? These predictions are simply out of the world :eek:

well, BadMania what do you think about the Draw??..
i feel it's so unfair for Indonesia..:mad:

They seem have to take a lot of effort in A grup then will againts the winner of group (Korea or Malaysia)
So, Indonesia can reach at Semifinal...

Also in women team?..
But i really hope Indonesia can steal point from Malaysia..

well guys, i think (it's my opinion)..
Malaysia seems like afraid to meet Indonesia (although the other country more powerfull (like China) ) because Indonesia has the power in MD..which also for Malaysia..
If Malaysia has to meet China, they'll able to take point from MD and stealling from MS..
That's why..Malaysia choose againsts China rather than Indonesia..:(

And..Asia Badminton Federation (as a personal, i feel 'a little bit dislike' for this organisatoion..) put that strategy for Malaysia..:mad:

You know, since ABF moved to Malaysia, all the decision controlled by Malaysia and seems it like "Malaysia Minded" for me, including IBF which has been moved to Malaysia too..

[baldybodhi]

But, let's sportivity show to us which country will make the best efforts?..
i'm still consider Indonesia have a chance to make it..:')

[saugusli]

Hi..
S1 Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (50-50)
D1 Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (45-55)
S2 Bao Chunlai vs Simon Santoso (55-45)
D2 Zheng Bo/Guo Zhendong vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (44-55)
S3 Chen Jin vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55-45).

So difficult for indonesia. If Taufik Loss, It means Indonesia will loss. If Taufik Win, Indonesia still have challanges to win.

Remember. China said: Taufik is one of the player can beat the china players. China will force Lin Dan to beat Taufik....but not easy man...Lin Dan have to prepare stamina, strategy, etc....Because Taufik now is ready.. Taufik training 2 times a weeks and got motivations, It means warning for ALL Player will meet him.

Sony totally recovery of his injury...and handle by hendrawan, so Sony performances will be improve.

Cheers,
Saugusli


The lineup for China vs Indonesia (more or less confirmed)
S1 Lin Dan vs Taufik Hidayat (55-45)
D1 Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan (50-50)
S2 Bao Chunlai vs Simon Santoso (60-40)
D2 Zheng Bo/Guo Zhendong vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto (50-50)
S3 Chen Jin vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro (55-45).

So, Indonesia is more or less the underdogs in almost every tie (except for maybe both doubles). Chen Jin has yet to meet Sony, and judging from Sony's recent victory over Taufik, he might have a chance of winning the tie.

I think only indra will argue otherwise.

[saugusli]

4 golds imposible as indra said.

1 gold is very possible. 2 golds are possible... 3 golds are less impossible...

Taufik, Kido/Hendra, and Nova/Natsir will take but difficult.

Cheers,
Saugusli


Du Jing/Yu Yang are withdrawn because of an injury to Yu Yang during the World Cup at Yiyang. She must be cursing herself for missing out on Doha due to an exhibitional tournament!

Nova/Butet have the highest chance of winning the gold since they have already beaten all the seeded pairs in Doha. I think 1 gold is a minimum and 2 golds will surely be a bonus. Only ppl living in fantasy world such as indra will insist that INA CAN WIN 4 golds :cool:

[indra]

You live in your own fantasy world... maybe it's time for you to go visit disney -land instead.:p

Simon could not even beat CHN's 6th or 7th singles player QBC in the China open... then you expect him to beat Lin Dan...

You should post as many of your predictions as there is only 3 weeks left before you will hide and hibernate when all your predictions fall AGAIN.:p



my prediction is very clear, it is not a fantasy at all, it is a real and very well calculated one.:D

[taufik-ist]

indra, i salute u :)

4 golds for ina team


GAMBATE INDONESIA

[hcpoirot]

MEN'S TEAM EVENT
GROUP A
China
Indonesia -- bad draw for Indonesia
India

GROUP B
Korea
Thailand
Vietnam

GROUP C
Malaysia
Hong Kong
Japan

Group winners qualify for semi-finals, while the runner-ups will be grouped again to determine the final qualifier. Indonesia is likely to be paired with Thailand and Japan, unless it beats China.

WOMEN'S TEAM
GROUP A
China
Malaysia
Indonesia -- again, a bad draw since it means a do-or-die tie against Malaysia to prevent being eliminated in the group stage

GROUP B
Thailand
Hong Kong
Singapore

GROUP C
Japan
Korea
Chinese Taipei

Similarly, runner-ups will be grouped again. It will be a miracle if Team Indonesia can get to semi-finals. They have a chance to beat Malaysia only if they win the second, third singles and second doubles. Even if they beat Malaysia, they will entertain two other strong teams (probably Japan and either Thailand or Singapore).

Thailand , Hong Kong and Singapore probably had tears of joy cause they had very very good draw indeed.

But how ws the draw made? Cause judging by individual WS and WD seeds, China, Japan and Korea should be seeded 1 , 2 and 3.

Instead China, Japan and Thailand or Hong Kong?

A big disaster for Japan and Korea cause they had bad draw against Chinese Taipei who although didnot excel in individual event but play a solid team event.

[hcpoirot]

Finally, the MS.

Quarter 1
Lin Dan (1)
Ng Wei (5/8)
-- Simon Santoso is also in this quarter and he is faced with a tricky first round tie against the much improved Nguyen Tien Minh. If he wins, he will meet Ng Wei in the second round. The winner will take on Lin Dan in the quarter-final.

Quarter 2
Lee Hyun Il (3/4)
Mohd Hafiz Hashim (5/8)
-- Hafiz will face either Kendrick Lee Yen Hui or Sho Sasaki in the second round. The winner will entertain Lee Hyun Il in the quarter-final.

Quarter 3
Taufik Hidayat (5/8)
Bao Chunlai (3/4)
-- Taufik has a tricky second round tie against Park Sung Hwan. If he wins, he will face Bao Chunlai in the quarter-final. Meanwhile, Bao himself has to beat Ronald Susilo in the second round. It will take a huge effort if Taufik is to reach the semi-final and get at least a bronze.

Quarter 4
Boonsak Ponsana (5/8)
Lee Chongwei (2)
-- the Malaysian player will square off against Shoji Sato in the second round and possibly Boonsak Ponsana (yet again) in the quarter-final. However, Boonsak has to first beat Chan Yan Kit and Anup Sridhar in order to reach the quarter-final.

Its really a laugh cause how come Boonsak always had to play LCW in QF in mostly of the tournament this year?

Poor Boonsak causehe will probably lost again.

[hcpoirot]

And for Indonesia women team, what a laugh for PBSI by putting Pia as third singles.

Maria is still young and she is a much better player than Pia. At least Maria had a lot of team events experiences. So Malaysia probably will win the group matches against Indonesia and that mean Indonesia women had to be sent home early in team event.

Malaysia will probably got point from first WS, first WD and third WS.

[hcpoirot]

After a suprising win World Champoion last year, NOva/Lili always play well and win many titles except the major ones.

They choked 3 times this year. Probably because PBSI really wanted them to win in AE and WC and their club really need 1 point from them in number 3 or else their club will 100% lost. (and they did lost)

1. In All England 2006.

2, In R16 World Championship 2006

3. In Indonesia between clubs fights. In final round Nova/Lili ad to win if they wanted at least a chance to win the club title. But putting against pressure they lost to Chandra/Gresia in 2 sets.

The questions here now is: can they handle the pressure and mental problem this time to win the gold medal?

[hcpoirot]

Based on the IBF ranking now China meet Indonesia:

Second MS: Chen Jin : Simon 58:42

Third MS: Bao CL : Sonny 60:40 Cause Sonny never had won against Bao in their entire meeting.

So if Taufik lost against LD, Indonesia should prepare to play 2 other countries for SF place.

[hcpoirot]

Beside from badminton, I am really dissapointed in KONI (Indonesia National Sport Association).

They only target 4 gold in Asia Games with 2 gold from badminton.

Really sad cause other ASEAN countries (South East ASia) target much higher gold than us even Vietnam. They targeted 5 to 7 gold.

How come a big country like Indonesia just hope for 4 gold? And listen to KONI excuses: We only target 4 gold cause we had some money problem in training our athletes.

Really. Lots of other countries also struggles with money problems. But in each ASIA games, they always target gold medal higher than last event.

I do pray hard that badminton can deliver at least one gold cause it will be total embarassing if our athletes went home with less than 4 gold this times.

[hcpoirot]

But if there is a competition between sport association around the world for best EXCUSE why your athletes do so bad, Indonesia will grab medal gold, silver and bronze! :D

And we also will win gold medal for BEST DIE HARD FANS for Indra fanatic dedication for TH. :D

And another gold for him for his fanatic dedication for Simon.

[bananaboy]

But if there is a competition between sport association around the world for best EXCUSE why your athletes do so bad, Indonesia will grab medal gold, silver and bronze! :D

And we also will win gold medal for BEST DIE HARD FANS for Indra fanatic dedication for TH. :D

And another gold for him for his fanatic dedication for Simon.

And one more for Taufik-ist for his constant support for Indra, then when you add all those together, there will be 4 gold metals wins by Indo just as Indra insisted from the start of this thread.:rolleyes:

[bananaboy]

my prediction is very clear, it is not a fantasy at all, it is a real and very well calculated one.:D

Exactly... When Taufik and Simon are about to lose the entire game, their hair will suddenly all turn blonde, stick all the way up... eyes turn blue, and turn into a super SEIYAN just like in Dragon Ball Z, and they will start beating their opponents senseless. At the end, the evil China team will be destroyed by the "super Seiyan" Indo team.:eek::rolleyes:

[indra]

Exactly... When Taufik and Simon are about to lose the entire game, their hair will suddenly all turn blonde, stick all the way up... eyes turn blue, and turn into a super SEIYAN just like in Dragon Ball Z, and they will start beating their opponents senseless. At the end, the evil China team will be destroyed by the "super Seiyan" Indo team.:eek::rolleyes:

Many people are not aware of the most "recent" situation on Taufik and SImon....This is not about their past records...many of us in this BC will be very shocked of what will happen in the AG...it is only 9 days away from now...we all will see this....stay tuned....:D Cai/Fu will go home earlier as Markis/hendra will stop them...Markis/Hendra are now at their peak. SImon are now turning like "a lion", and TH still keeps his "lethal weapon" confidential.." only used in certain occassions like AG and OG":D

Even PBSI will be surprised that their shuttlers will get 4 golds, exceeding what PBSI has targeted (only 2)...:D

[2cents]

But if there is a competition between sport association around the world for best EXCUSE why your athletes do so bad, Indonesia will grab medal gold, silver and bronze! :D

And we also will win gold medal for BEST DIE HARD FANS for Indra fanatic dedication for TH. :D

And another gold for him for his fanatic dedication for Simon.

Good observation. I noticed that Indra loves Simon the most, he bet several times in previous tournaments that Simon beat Taufik in the final. Unfortunately, Simon usually lost even earlier than Taufik.

[2cents]

Why there is no Singapore men's team? They are pretty good in my mind. At least better than India and Vietnam

[baldybodhi]

I hope protest to ABF by Mr. Lius Pongoh and Mr. Christian Hadinata becoming real..
And for Indra..salute for you!
4 gold medals, not easy..but i'm sure they can make it..(i hope)
for Mr. banana, i think everyone has a right to dream..
Espcially for his lovely country..

SMANGAT!!;)

[baldybodhi]

Exactly... When Taufik and Simon are about to lose the entire game, their hair will suddenly all turn blonde, stick all the way up... eyes turn blue, and turn into a super SEIYAN just like in Dragon Ball Z, and they will start beating their opponents senseless. At the end, the evil China team will be destroyed by the "super Seiyan" Indo team.:eek::rolleyes:

i think we're not talking about Dragon Ball Z or the 'stupid ' SEIYAN in here!
like what you thougt!
please, be mature!!..:mad: and respect to other people..:mad:

we, as Indonesian people still have one believe that our athlete could give their best effort for their country..
No matter win or lose..we happy to have them as our hero..

[CLELY]

well, BadMania what do you think about the Draw??..
i feel it's so unfair for Indonesia..:mad:

They seem have to take a lot of effort in A grup then will againts the winner of group (Korea or Malaysia)
So, Indonesia can reach at Semifinal...

Malaysia and seems it like "Malaysia Minded" for me, including IBF which has been moved to Malaysia too..

Christian Hadinata as Pelatnas doubles coach coordinator said, the drawing that held by ABC is so weird. The drawing should be divided into 2 groups and then winner plus runner-up from each group will meet in semifinal. Or if the drawing still like that format (3 groups), INA must be placing Korea's position because INA has defeated KOR in Thomas Cup last May. (quoted from KOMPAS 22/11/06)

Well, sounds 'unfair situation' or coincidence INA's bad luck?? Probably, INA will take strategy : avoiding CHN to concentrate in play-off round which means INA must play 2 matches (against THA and HKG/JPN) in one day. Meanwhile, on next day (morning-Doha time) INA will face SF's match vs.CHN/MAS (still speculation). According that description can imagine how INA spend extra-energy and stamina decreasing automatically. PBSI has calculated this 'exhausted' problem and still hard solution for it.

[indra]

Christian Hadinata as Pelatnas doubles coach coordinator said, the drawing that held by ABC is so weird. The drawing should be divided into 2 groups and then winner plus runner-up from each group will meet in semifinal. Or if the drawing still like that format (3 groups), INA must be placing Korea's position because INA has defeated KOR in Thomas Cup last May. (quoted from KOMPAS 22/11/06)

Well, sounds 'unfair situation' or coincidence INA's bad luck?? Probably, INA will take strategy : avoiding CHN to concentrate in play-off round which means INA must play 2 matches (against THA and HKG/JPN) in one day. Meanwhile, on next day (morning-Doha time) INA will face SF's match vs.CHN/MAS (still speculation). According that description can imagine how INA spend extra-energy and stamina decreasing automatically. PBSI has calculated this 'exhausted' problem and still hard solution for it.

yes..it is ABSOLUTELY and TOTALLY Wierd:D

[badMania]

yes..it is ABSOLUTELY and TOTALLY Wierd:D

And u still believe that INA is going to beat China at least once :cool:

[pjswift]

And u still believe that INA is going to beat China at least once :cool:

Why can't he? TH at the beginning of a tournament would have the full tank to beat LD even in 3 games, if not 2. (Did he beat Bao in 3 in the first round of JO?) Of course he wouldn't have the stamina to defend his title which would be at the end of the AG.
INA 's MD s are better than CHN's. INA's going to beat CHN first so CHN has the chance to show off its fitness and play two more rounds to qualify for semis.

[Sandy]

yes..it is ABSOLUTELY and TOTALLY Wierd:D

me too

first consider the stamina (this is team & individual event) and more weird if winner 2nd round robin against winner group A :rolleyes:
just curious the weirdie who has this idea :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Badminton federation looked amateur organization with some centralize drawing since homebase in England then continued in KL.
Much different with tennis event who made drawing only 2 or 3 days before the match on the place where the tournament were held (watched by some player representative), and it's very fair.

[indra]

me too

first consider the stamina (this is team & individual event) and more weird if winner 2nd round robin against winner group A :rolleyes:
just curious the weirdie who has this idea :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Badminton federation looked amateur organization with some centralize drawing since homebase in England then continued in KL.
Much different with tennis event who made drawing only 2 or 3 days before the match on the place where the tournament were held (watched by some player representative), and it's very fair.

I AM COMPLETELY WITH YOU:) :D That's why we need players and people with Taufik-like characters within the organization get it right:D

[pjswift]

On the contrary, TH will lose to LCW because he would have expended too much in beating Bao --- Bao will not be easy meat for TH and may even win. But whatever, the consequences, BAO or TH would be too weak.

Given that Bao is 3rd MS, he may not even have to lift his racket for the TEAM event at all. Do the rules require all five matches to be played even if the last was academic? Even if BAO has to play, it will be more like warming up matches. So he's going into Individual MS rather fresh. TH will lose from fatigue and LCW may lose if he's not top form. Question then is would BAO still have prematch orders to lose to LD like in the WC?

[whatsoever]

I just looked at the group draws for men's and women's teams. OMG, Indonesian squad is definitely in groups of death :crying: :confused:
The chance is so slim for the men's team to beat China, so i guess we must pick the hard way, being the runner up but unfortunately we have to spend extra time and energy to play the play-off. For the women's team, I dont know why, i juz have the faith that we can beat Malaysia's women's team and be the runner up. Pokoke KAMU BISA!!!

[Baderz_Jas]

Given that Bao is 3rd MS, he may not even have to lift his racket for the TEAM event at all. Do the rules require all five matches to be played even if the last was academic? Even if BAO has to play, it will be more like warming up matches. So he's going into Individual MS rather fresh. TH will lose from fatigue and LCW may lose if he's not top form. Question then is would BAO still have prematch orders to lose to LD like in the WC?

I think they have to play all 5 matches in group to get maximum score! :) I think you are quite right about TH losing to LCW :o :D sorry TH fans :D
was BCL ordered to lose to LD in the WC? :eek: I don't think so :eek: :crying: :D

[bananaboy]

Question then is would BAO still have prematch orders to lose to LD like in the WC?

WC... all China MS final... what makes you think LYB give a "crap" whether it is Lin Dan or Bao wins???:mad: Don't make your assumption sound like it is the truth.:mad:

[hcpoirot]

@clely, team event only had 3 groups. Each winner of the group goes to SF. Each runner up of this 3 groups will fight again. The winner will meet the first seeded team, here both men and women team are China team.

So If Indonesia avoided China first and then win the runner up matches, they had to meet China again in SF.

[hcpoirot]

From what I ead in Bola newspaper, turn out that Nova had slihjt injury in his leg, thats why he made so many mistake and lost to Chandra/Gresia in final club matches in Medan Indonesia.

Hope its not a big problem.

[hcpoirot]

Somehow I think Indonesia players at big disadvantage here. Specially tey just play all out for Indonesia badminton club championship few days ago.

How come PBSI not scheduling playing the club championship after Asian Games is beyond me.

[ctjcad]

From what I ead in Bola newspaper, turn out that Nova had slihjt injury in his leg, thats why he made so many mistake and lost to Chandra/Gresia in final club matches in Medan Indonesia.

Hope its not a big problem.
hmm, then it makes sense all along to incl. Flandy in the team, as i mentioned earlier in this thread http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38188 (post#17)..Esp. after reading some other reports that some of the INA players, who are in the AG squad, are still "recovering" after their National Championship..:rolleyes:
Now, if it turns out to be "a problem", who will they turn to for replacement??..:rolleyes: :confused:

[taufik-ist]

I think they have to play all 5 matches in group to get maximum score! :) I think you are quite right about TH losing to LCW :o :D sorry TH fans :D
was BCL ordered to lose to LD in the WC? :eek: I don't think so :eek: :crying: :D

he..he taufik has good records againts LCW, remember Japan open 2006 :)

suppose TAufik lost to LCw, indonesia would still win the match( indonesia still has 2 'stronger' MD and 2 MS which have 50-50 chances) :D :p :p

[sickgal]

2 stronger MD for Ina pair..?? if so.. why put inverted comma ??? contradicting yourself??hehe

[taufik-ist]

2 stronger MD for Ina pair..?? if so.. why put inverted comma ??? contradicting yourself??hehe

he..he OK.... i mean they're still better than mas pairs :D

[sickgal]

in your view i would say.. hi hi

[zqloy]

he..he taufik has good records againts LCW, remember Japan open 2006 :)

suppose TAufik lost to LCw, indonesia would still win the match( indonesia still has 2 'stronger' MD and 2 MS which have 50-50 chances) :D :p :p

I should say Taufik has a "better" record against LCW which is 3-2. But chances for both r equal, and also dont forget Taufik even lost to Sony recently.... :cool:

[Baderz_Jas]

btw guys, is it Team or Individual 1st? Thanks :)

[**KZ**]

he..he taufik has good records againts LCW, remember Japan open 2006 :)

suppose TAufik lost to LCw, indonesia would still win the match( indonesia still has 2 'stronger' MD and 2 MS which have 50-50 chances) :D :p :p

I think if taufik beats LCW M'sia still has the advantage.....everybody knows our other MS players are better:) and as for the other MD....I think INA will field luluk/alven.....they have a bad record against our players...are they even scheduled to meet?

[bananaboy]

he..he taufik has good records againts LCW, remember Japan open 2006 :)

suppose TAufik lost to LCw, indonesia would still win the match( indonesia still has 2 'stronger' MD and 2 MS which have 50-50 chances) :D :p :p

According to your analysis above, then Lin Dan has a good record against TH this year, plus remember Japan open 2006:)

Funny, that you TH fans are the ones whom always say that you can use past result to determine the future results... kind of double standards here, don't you think???:rolleyes:

[bananaboy]

I think if taufik beats LCW M'sia still has the advantage.....everybody knows our other MS players are better:) and as for the other MD....I think INA will field luluk/alven.....they have a bad record against our players...are they even scheduled to meet?

Simon vs Hafiz... they both show poor result this year, how can you say Hafiz is better???

Soni vs WCH... hard to say, since we can not yet tell how their conditions are. Soni beat TH last week and WCH still recovering from injury, therefore you can't say WCH has too much of an advantage.

Field Luluk/Alven??? then who are they going to use as 2nd doubles consider the limited number of players going to the tournament... a team of TH/simon???:eek::p

From the MS perspective, China has the advantage for sure. Chen Jin is definitely going to dominate 2nd singles and Bao should be able to beat all 3rd singles as long as he does not crack under pressure.:p

[Shyen]

btw guys, is it Team or Individual 1st? Thanks :)
:) I've checked Astro guide...team event 1st!!

[badMania]

2 stronger MD for Ina pair..?? if so.. why put inverted comma ??? contradicting yourself??hehe

D1 Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan vs Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui -- Kido/Hendra have never been beaten by Fairuz/Lin. So, they should win the tie (if they ever meet in the Final :cool:)

D2 Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- difficult to say, but, at current form, I would say that Koo/Tan have the upper hand. Still, we have seen Luluk/Alvent beat CCM/KKK in a number of matches (including the SEA Games Team Event). So, it will be 50-50.

[hcpoirot]

hmm, then it makes sense all along to incl. Flandy in the team, as i mentioned earlier in this thread http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38188 (post#17)..Esp. after reading some other reports that some of the INA players, who are in the AG squad, are still "recovering" after their National Championship..:rolleyes:
Now, if it turns out to be "a problem", who will they turn to for replacement??..:rolleyes: :confused:

@ctjcad, yep agree with you.

PBSI still believe Luluk/Alven can play as well as they played 2 years ago which is so longgggg ago so they sacrifice Flandi/Vita.

Now Indonesia had only 1 good MD in Hendra/Markis and 1 mediocre Luluk/Alven with 1 good XD Nova/Lily with 1 uknownable XD Alven/Vita.

Really PBSI sucks.

If hey bring Flandi, we will had 1 good MD and one mediocre MD in Flandi/Alven and 2 good XD in Nova/Lili and Flandi/Vita.

Flandi/Vita already won 1 title this year and finalist Dutch Open 2006. Which is better than Alven/Vita who never paired before and better than Luluk/Alven results so far for this year. Luluk/Alven even didnot reach any final this year.

[badMania]

If hey bring Flandi, we will had 1 good MD and one mediocre MD in Flandi/Alven and 2 good XD in Nova/Lili and Flandi/Vita.

Flandi/Vita already won 1 title this year and finalist Dutch Open 2006. Which is better than Alven/Vita who never paired before and better than Luluk/Alven results so far for this year. Luluk/Alven even didnot reach any final this year.

I think you guys have misunderstood the situation here. Flandy was taken out of the list because each team only has a quota of 8 players. PBSI didn't realise this until the very end. So, they have no choice but to sacrifice Flandy (who's going to play only one event with Vita anyway). Plus, either Flandy/Vita or Alvent/Vita will not be seeded.

They can't take out either Luluk or Alvent because that will mean sacrificing the team event and also men's doubles (because Luluk/Alvent are seeded). Flandy/Alvent will not be seeded and that will further jeopardize the chance of getting at least a bronze from MD.

[ctjcad]

I think you guys have misunderstood the situation here. Flandy was taken out of the list because each team only has a quota of 8 players. PBSI didn't realise this until the very end. So, they have no choice but to sacrifice Flandy (who's going to play only one event with Vita anyway). Plus, either Flandy/Vita or Alvent/Vita will not be seeded.

They can't take out either Luluk or Alvent because that will mean sacrificing the team event and also men's doubles (because Luluk/Alvent are seeded). Flandy/Alvent will not be seeded and that will further jeopardize the chance of getting at least a bronze from MD.
..i understand where you're coming from, badMania, and i know PBSI's decision might've been unforeseen, let alone a "tricky" one..
However, let's take into account the 2 scenarios:
1. "Flandy/Vita and Alvent/Vita will not be seeded". True, both pairs will be unseeded, but which pair would you take based on recent result(s)??..
2. "Flandy/Alvent will not be seeded and Luluk/Alvent will be seeded". There's a really minor difference, but really, when one comes to think of it, what difference(s)/advantage(s) will there be if Flandy is inserted into Luluk's place??:rolleyes: Does being seeded put Luluk/Alvent's chances of getting a bronze "higher" than a Flandy/Alvent pairing?? I'm sure you know the results of L/A pairing this yr.;)
3. This is something that is probably out of their control, but take into account some new development(s), esp. with Nova. If his injury is a problem and lingers, then what??..

So, don't really want to repeat what i wrote earlier, but even though i don't know/realize INA only have a quota of 8 players(each team), i would rather pick Flandy, right there and then. Main reason:recent results in comparison to Alvent/Luluk pairing. Also, in team competition, personally, i would prefer a flex-player(one that can play multi-events).

Anyways, i realize what's done and decided are past. I'm not sure if they can make any last minute roster changes, before the games begin, in case a player is injured. For INA supporters, let's just wish them(esp. Luluk/Alvent) the best of luck..:rolleyes: :p ;) :cool:

[badMania]

2. "Flandy/Alvent will not be seeded and Luluk/Alvent will be seeded". There's a really minor difference, but really, when one comes to think of it, what difference(s)/advantage(s) will there be if Flandy is inserted into Luluk's place??:rolleyes: Does being seeded put Luluk/Alvent's chances of getting a bronze "higher" than a Flandy/Alvent pairing?? I'm sure you know the results of L/A pairing this yr.;)


Well...Luluk/Alvent are indeed in a "shitty" form this year. But, I personally think that having a natural pair is probably "safer" than a scratch pairing for an important event like Asian Games.

In fact, Flandy and Alvent have been paired before at the Copenhagen Masters 2005 and they won 0 matches.

They lost to both Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun 15-6, 11-15, 10-15 and also to Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen 7-15, 10-15.

In any case, they are probably going to sacrifice Alvent/Vita :D

[ctjcad]

Well...Luluk/Alvent are indeed in a "shitty" form this year. But, I personally think that having a natural pair is probably "safer" than a scratch pairing for an important event like Asian Games.

In fact, Flandy and Alvent have been paired before at the Copenhagen Masters 2005 and they won 0 matches.

They lost to both Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun 15-6, 11-15, 10-15 and also to Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen 7-15, 10-15.

In any case, they are probably going to sacrifice Alvent/Vita :D
Hmm, after reading your post, i'm more convinced that having a multi-flex player(Flandy) is probably a much "better" decision.
hmm, i just double checked Luluk's record this yr and it's truly disappointing:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/playerinfo.asp?category=d&playerid=9050&gender=M
0(zero Finals) appearance in comparison to Flandy's record this yr.
Hmm, abt Flandy/Alvent's pairing last yr, i personally wouldn't count that "volunteered-based" appearance. That pairing resulted probably in a last minute decision from all parties involved.
And last, if they are going to sacrifice Alvent/Vita, and indeed their 1st XD pair can't go 100%, then what a waste of decision that would been.:rolleyes: :p

[tjl_vanguard]

@ctjcad, yep agree with you.

PBSI still believe Luluk/Alven can play as well as they played 2 years ago which is so longgggg ago so they sacrifice Flandi/Vita.

Now Indonesia had only 1 good MD in Hendra/Markis and 1 mediocre Luluk/Alven with 1 good XD Nova/Lily with 1 uknownable XD Alven/Vita.

Really PBSI sucks.

If hey bring Flandi, we will had 1 good MD and one mediocre MD in Flandi/Alven and 2 good XD in Nova/Lili and Flandi/Vita.

Flandi/Vita already won 1 title this year and finalist Dutch Open 2006. Which is better than Alven/Vita who never paired before and better than Luluk/Alven results so far for this year. Luluk/Alven even didnot reach any final this year.
PBSI reli gotta do smth or else in the future we will might only see Msia & China fighting for honours... come on wads wrong wit INA now??? all i know they were the unbeatables..... wake up wake up!!!

[Baderz_Jas]

:) I've checked Astro guide...team event 1st!!

thanks Shyen! :)

[quik_silver]

PBSI reli gotta do smth or else in the future we will might only see Msia & China fighting for honours... come on wads wrong wit INA now??? all i know they were the unbeatables..... wake up wake up!!!

INA are slacking off now. Time to go to bed (bye badmitnon fans).

And what can PBSI do with matches between Malysian and China, ban them from playing each other? I don't think so..

[Han]

:) I've checked Astro guide...team event 1st!!

Can you post the date and time when Astro going to broadcast the Asian Games, both Team and Individual events, thanks!

[blckknght]

Has Sigit officially retired, or does he just not have a partner now?

[Shyen]

Can you post the date and time when Astro going to broadcast the Asian Games, both Team and Individual events, thanks!
:) OK!
Nov 30,Thurs
14:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1
18:00 Badminton: W Team Round 1
22:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 1,Fri
15:45 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 2,Sat
14:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 5,Tues
14:00 Badminton: M & W Team Semi Finals

Dec 6,Wed
02:30 Badminton: M & W Team Finals & Victory Ceremony

Dec 9,Sat
00:15 Badminton: Mixed Doubles Final & Victory Ceremony
21:00 Badminton:Men's & Women's Singles & Doubles Finals

:D that's all!!

[Han]

Thanks, not only the government strongly supporting the sports of badminton so is the Astro Malaysia satellite TV. The only missng ingredient is winning and lets hope Malaysia come home with few golds(MS,MD,WD,WS and Team, not to be too greedy :D )



:) OK!
Nov 30,Thurs
14:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1
18:00 Badminton: W Team Round 1
22:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 1,Fri
15:45 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 2,Sat
14:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 5,Tues
14:00 Badminton: M & W Team Semi Finals

Dec 6,Wed
02:30 Badminton: M & W Team Finals & Victory Ceremony

Dec 9,Sat
00:15 Badminton: Mixed Doubles Final & Victory Ceremony
21:00 Badminton:Men's & Women's Singles & Doubles Finals

:D that's all!!

[indra]

Dec 6,Wed
02:30 Badminton: M & W Team Finals & Victory Ceremony

M
INA Gold
Mal Silver
Kor/Chine Bronze :D

Dec 9,Sat
00:15 Badminton: Mixed Doubles Final & Victory Ceremony
INA Gold
CHIN SIlver
KOR Bronze :D

21:00 Badminton:Men's & Women's Singles & Doubles Finals
M
Taufik Gold
Lin Dan SIlver
LCW Bronze:D :D

MD
Markis/Hendra Gold
Luluk/Alven Silver
:D

[woodenRacket]

You underestimate my SuperDan indra....:cool:

pal, you should have been here long enough to know our friend Indra.

to summarize, Indra's points are:

1, TH is the BEST and invincible at anytime, anywhere;
2, INA is the BEST and invicible at anytime, anywhere.

basically, we can just ignore his comments or add in the above comments for him by yourself in any topic, causing no change to the whole thread.

[Baderz_Jas]

:) OK!
Nov 30,Thurs
14:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1
18:00 Badminton: W Team Round 1
22:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 1,Fri
15:45 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 2,Sat
14:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 5,Tues
14:00 Badminton: M & W Team Semi Finals

Dec 6,Wed
02:30 Badminton: M & W Team Finals & Victory Ceremony

Dec 9,Sat
00:15 Badminton: Mixed Doubles Final & Victory Ceremony
21:00 Badminton:Men's & Women's Singles & Doubles Finals

:D that's all!!

cool :cool: thanks :D heehee :D

[**KZ**]

we don't get to watch the quarters and semis for the individuals? that sucks

[Shyen]

cool :cool: thanks :D heehee :D
:) you're welcome!!but Lin Dan must get in final....then only we can support him in individual event!:D Lin Dan jia you!!

[cao ci dan]

pal, you should have been here long enough to know our friend Indra.

to summarize, Indra's points are:

1, TH is the BEST and invincible at anytime, anywhere;
2, INA is the BEST and invicible at anytime, anywhere.

basically, we can just ignore his comments or add in the above comments for him by yourself in any topic, causing no change to the whole thread.
:) got it!!!and he's EXTREMELY TOO OVER CONFIDENT sometimes!!;) :p :D

[Lennethe]

:) OK!
Nov 30,Thurs
14:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1
18:00 Badminton: W Team Round 1
22:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 1,Fri
15:45 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 2,Sat
14:00 Badminton: M Team Round 1

Dec 5,Tues
14:00 Badminton: M & W Team Semi Finals

Dec 6,Wed
02:30 Badminton: M & W Team Finals & Victory Ceremony

Dec 9,Sat
00:15 Badminton: Mixed Doubles Final & Victory Ceremony
21:00 Badminton:Men's & Women's Singles & Doubles Finals

:D that's all!!

erm....i thought THESE time table is not live one, because there's no (l) behind

[Baderz_Jas]

:) you're welcome!!but Lin Dan must get in final....then only we can support him in individual event!:D Lin Dan jia you!!

yeah! Jia You! :D hehe :D

[Han]

erm....i thought THESE time table is not live one, because there's no (l) behind

I think it's Live but I am not sure which channel it's broadcasting? Is it Supersports(Channel 80) or ??? Astro website doesn't have much info about Asian Games. Can someone please help?

[Krisna]

Dec 6,Wed
02:30 Badminton: M & W Team Finals & Victory Ceremony

M
INA Gold
Mal Silver
Kor/Chine Bronze :D

Dec 9,Sat
00:15 Badminton: Mixed Doubles Final & Victory Ceremony
INA Gold
CHIN SIlver
KOR Bronze :D

21:00 Badminton:Men's & Women's Singles & Doubles Finals
M
Taufik Gold
Lin Dan SIlver
LCW Bronze:D :D

MD
Markis/Hendra Gold
Luluk/Alven Silver
:D

I would love to see all of this happen... but it is highly unlikely that INA will win the Men's team gold... China can wipe us out starting with 2 single wins...

Taufik in his best form can beat Super Dan. I saw their match live in Indonesian Open 2004 and the Lin Dan destruction in World Championship 2005 on TV. Lin Dan is an exceptional talent with a fantastic work ethic. Taufik has even more talent, but [yes... we all admit] often not very focused... :crying: ..had he been more focused, there will be not much discussion on who dominates badminton today...

Oh, and Luluk-Alven can win gold. They were not performing well as INA's top pair. But being now branded the 2nd best pair, they actually play a lot better. :D Less pressure or something...

[**KZ**]

I think it's Live but I am not sure which channel it's broadcasting? Is it Supersports(Channel 80) or ??? Astro website doesn't have much info about Asian Games. Can someone please help?

they've opened 4 new channels for the games as always for any other big sports event......83-86 Asian Games Channel

[haifeng4ever]

Yeah, Astro rocks! Thanx to Astro.

[ctjcad]

Oh, and Luluk-Alven can win gold. They were not performing well as INA's top pair. But being now branded the 2nd best pair, they actually play a lot better. :D Less pressure or something...
...hehe, you sound very optimistic, Krisna, with this statement(personally, based on their record this yr, i'm not optimistic on their chances, even if they're the #2 pair; unless some miracle happens)..Well, we'll see, since Luluk is given an opportunity to compete, let's just *hope* they can do what you "believe" they will accomplish..:rolleyes: ;) :)

[abedeng]

My comment on Indonesia's chances:

Taufik has a pretty good chance to win gold, provided his fitness holds.

Luluk/Alvent don't have a ghost of a chance. On the other hand, Markis/Hendra have a great chance, so long as they can clear the speedy Koreans.

Indonesian girls, sorry, no such luck.

Mixed doubles, decent chance for Nova/Lilyana Natsir, but probably not as good as Taufik or even Markis/Hendra. Well at least they don't need to worry about Koo/Wong, who were split up for AG (when will Malaysia ever learn to take up XD seriously?!!)

Indonesian Men's Team - hard done by the 3-group system. For them to beat China (probably have to play China twice) require Taufik & 2 doubles to take pts. Not impossible, but very hard.

Indonesian Women's Team - harder done by. But the Malaysian women's squad is in the same boat.

Other than that, other non-Chinese that are front runners for gold are:-

Jung/Lee of Korea, Koo/Tan (outside chance) - MD
Sudket/Saralee - XD
LCW & LHI - MS

That's about it.

[badMania]

Luluk/Alvent don't have a ghost of a chance. On the other hand, Markis/Hendra have a great chance, so long as they can clear the speedy Koreans.

Mixed doubles, decent chance for Nova/Lilyana Natsir, but probably not as good as Taufik or even Markis/Hendra. Well at least they don't need to worry about Koo/Wong, who were split up for AG (when will Malaysia ever learn to take up XD seriously?!!)


Well...Kido/Hendra have to beat Fu/Cai or Koo/Tan first before meeting the Korean in the Final :D

If Nova/Butet can beat Zheng Bo/Gao Ling, they will have a clear shot at gold.

[Ethan]

So much about predictions, I can't wait for the event to start !

[jasonmarc]

My comment on Indonesia's chances:

Taufik has a pretty good chance to win gold, provided his fitness holds.

Luluk/Alvent don't have a ghost of a chance. On the other hand, Markis/Hendra have a great chance, so long as they can clear the speedy Koreans.

Indonesian girls, sorry, no such luck.

Mixed doubles, decent chance for Nova/Lilyana Natsir, but probably not as good as Taufik or even Markis/Hendra. Well at least they don't need to worry about Koo/Wong, who were split up for AG (when will Malaysia ever learn to take up XD seriously?!!)

Indonesian Men's Team - hard done by the 3-group system. For them to beat China (probably have to play China twice) require Taufik & 2 doubles to take pts. Not impossible, but very hard.

Indonesian Women's Team - harder done by. But the Malaysian women's squad is in the same boat.

Other than that, other non-Chinese that are front runners for gold are:-

Jung/Lee of Korea, Koo/Tan (outside chance) - MD
Sudket/Saralee - XD
LCW & LHI - MS

That's about it.

There was redraw for the Men Team Event, its going to be Mas team to meet Chn Team in the Semi Final.........:mad: :eek: :crying: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[NgauNgau]

There was redraw for the Men Team Event, its going to be Mas team to meet Chn Team in the Semi Final.........:mad: :eek: :crying: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

WHAT??!!!! Oh MAN!! My tuition teacher finally changed the time from the afternoon to the morning on Wednesday, so then I can watch the Final!! And now China and Malaysia are to meet during semi-final stage??!!! AARRGGH!!! I've got tuition on that day too!!!! And Tuesday and Wednesday are the only days that I've got tuition on!! I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE MY LUCK!!!

[**KZ**]

where is the source ?

[Baderz_Jas]

There was redraw for the Men Team Event, its going to be Mas team to meet Chn Team in the Semi Final.........:mad: :eek: :crying: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

WHAT!? :confused: :eek: they shouldn't redraw! there was no need :D :p

[Baderz_Jas]

where is the source ?

I would like to know too! :eek: anyone please :D

[jasonmarc]

WHAT!? :confused: :eek: they shouldn't redraw! there was no need :D :p

i read it from today news paper, The Berita harian, Sing chew also reported ....The Chief Choach Yap K H was so mad about it,....and they are protesting.......:mad:

[jasonmarc]

Undian terbaru bertemu China di separuh akhir; Malaysia kemuka bantahan

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Buat skuad badminton lelaki negara, laluan untuk menempah tiket ke final sebelumnya nampak terbuka luas. Tetapi ‘angkara’ mainan penganjur, ia kini dipenuhi ranjau.

Undian awal di Kuala Lumpur, 18 November lalu, meletakkan Malaysia selaku pilihan kedua di belakang China dan dijadual bertemu Korea Selatan pada separuh akhir andainya merajai saingan awal Kumpulan C.

Pada undian sama, China yang diramal muncul juara kumpulan A, akan menentang naib juara terbaik daripada tiga kumpulan kelayakan awal yang bersaing pada peringkat play-off.

Namun semalam, ketua jurulatih, Yap Kim Hock, berang apabila mendapat tahu aturan itu sudah diubah, dengan Malaysia diundi bertemu China pada separuh akhir.

Berdasarkan kekuatan dimiliki ketika ini, ia harus mampu menjejaskan peluang layak ke final kerana di atas kertas, China memiliki kemantapan serba seimbang untuk menidakkan peluang terbaik Malaysia.

“Saya tidak faham bagaimana pertukaran undian ini boleh berlaku. Kita semua sudah saksikan undian di Kuala Lumpur lalu. Malah semua pasukan menghantar wakil ke majlis undian berkenaan.

“Tetapi ketika ini kami dimaklumkan undian sudah berubah dan Malaysia dijadual bertemu China pada peringkat separuh akhir. Alasan dikemukakan ialah ketua hakim kejohanan tidak hadir.

“Kami sudahpun mengemukakan bantahan dan ia akan dibincangkan dalam mesyuarat pengurus pasukan, esok (hari ini). Jika ditolak, kami akan mengemukakan bantahan kepada Persekutuan Badminton Asia,” katanya ketika ditemui, semalam.

Sebelumnya, skuad lelaki negara diakui memiliki peluang terbaik untuk ke final dan cuba menamatkan kemarau 32 tahun emas pada temasya Sukan Asia.

Andainya tetap gagal dalam bantahan, Lee Chong Wei dan rakan-rakan tidak punya pilihan lain, kecuali menidakkan situasi terkini demi memastikan impian tersimpan, tetapi mampu ditukar jadi realiti.

As Reported in Berita Harian 29/11/2006

[arice_MAS]

i think it not fair n also pity to malaysia team.whatever happen...i know malaysia boleh!!

[rudy6713]

I think Korean should be seeded behind Indoneisa..it should be China, Malaysia, Indonesia and Korea..

I do not see why Korean is seeded higher than Indonesia...from MS and MD, Indonesia is much better than Korean

[pauline]

Redraw??!! omg,the event is going to begin this Friday and they redraw at this time??!!

Ok,be positive.....our team has to meet China sooner or later,this is a chance to prove Malaysia Boleh!!

[rudy6713]

I prefer to see the draw should be seeded like this:

China(1) vs Korea(4)
Malaysia(2) vs Indonesia(3)
I know that Indonesia is protesting to get seeded 3...

[blessing]

Walao.. wat the hack is going on le.. damn unfair.. wat kind of asian games is dat?! can say dat its > 5 stars event.. said redraw then redraw.. they never consider of others' feeling.. their head ampire is not there is his bussiness la.. others can b their witness there.. redraw might b a good news to indo.. but wat about MALAYSIA??? if i am Yap Kim Hock i'll even make a banner n protest like those antis of Chen SHui Bian in taiwan.. Ish....~!!!!!

[ctjcad]

There was redraw for the Men Team Event, its going to be Mas team to meet Chn Team in the Semi Final.........:mad: :eek: :crying: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
...and i really don't know how in the world the ABC people do their draw for this AG, but i can assuredly tell, all the top contenders are trying to avoid CHN before the Finals...wow, i wonder what would happen if they put KOR squad in the same group as CHN and has to face them in the Semis(i'm sure they will be up in arms also)...:rolleyes: :p
So, with this new draw, is MAS in the same group as CHN??which group will MAS be in??..Anyone has any further info on this??..This is confusing the heck for everybody..:rolleyes: :( :p

[indra]

...and i really don't know how in the world the ABC people do their draw for this AG, but i can assuredly tell, all the top contenders are trying to avoid CHN before the Finals...wow, i wonder what would happen if they put KOR squad in the same group as CHN and has to face them in the Semis(i'm sure they will be up in arms also)...:rolleyes: :p
So, with this new draw, is MAS in the same group as CHN??which group will MAS be in??..Anyone has any further info on this??..This is confusing the heck for everybody..:rolleyes: :( :p

re-re-redraw:D :D INA is not afraid at all....This is a relief for CHINA Team, finally they can take a breath, not meeting INA in SEMI FINAL:D

There should be 2 groups, rather than 3

[kenny7_2006]

just read the New Straits Times, that the original draw has been restored...

[kenny7_2006]

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Thursday/Sport/20061130104312/Article/index_html

Asian Games: Original draw restored
30/11/06, 11:31:56

Arnaz M. Khairul

MALAYSIA eased their way out, momentarily, of the controversy surrounding the badminton draw and coach Yap Kim Hock assured that he will take nothing for granted by fielding his best squad in the opening match of the Group C team event against Japan at the Aspire Dome today.

Just half the battle was won when the organisers, in the team managers' meeting yesterday, accepted Malaysia's protest against a reversal of the official draw conducted in Kuala Lumpur on Nov 18, which meant that the winners of Group C would meet the winners of Group A, China's group, in the semi-final, instead of the original plan to have them meet the winner of a play-off between three group runners-up.

The original draw was restored yesterday and now it is South Korea, who had benefitted from the sudden about turn by the organisers two days ago, who are fuming mad, but with Malaysia now avoiding the possibility of meeting China a stage earlier then they'd like to, have to ensure that all the effort hasn't gone to waste. They begin with the task against Japan today.

"We're relieved that the original draw has been restored as the change would have really affected our preparations. We've planned everything according to the original draw, and if they simply changed it the way they did, we just could not accept it," said team manager Francis Siow.

"I was actually confident that the last-minute decision was turned because the original draw was conducted in a very open manner and representatives of all teams were present, unlike the sudden change, which was done without our knowledge.

"They've also decided on another change, to begin the singles tournament as soon as the team semi-finals are completed.

"They claim this was to avoid complications with ticket sales. It seems complicated, but for us we accepted because none of our singles players are involved in the opening rounds."

Courtesy of New Straits Times

this is the original article.... hope it helps...

[OneToughBirdie]

WHAT??!!!! Oh MAN!! My tuition teacher finally changed the time from the afternoon to the morning on Wednesday, so then I can watch the Final!! And now China and Malaysia are to meet during semi-final stage??!!! AARRGGH!!! I've got tuition on that day too!!!! And Tuesday and Wednesday are the only days that I've got tuition on!! I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE MY LUCK!!!

Fire the teacher...hahahaha! The game is more important!

[NgauNgau]

Fire the teacher...hahahaha! The game is more important!
LOL, will be dead meat when Mum caught me...:D

[ctjcad]

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Thursday/Sport/20061130104312/Article/index_html

Asian Games: Original draw restored
30/11/06, 11:31:56

kenny7_2006, thanks for the info..:cool:..wow, ckckckck, is this a mess or what?!..:confused: ..ABC still doing and changing draws up til the last minute...sigh:p :rolleyes: :(

[jasonmarc]

:D
re-re-redraw:D :D INA is not afraid at all....This is a relief for CHINA Team, finally they can take a breath, not meeting INA in SEMI FINAL:D

There should be 2 groups, rather than 3

So now the CHN Team have to worry about INA Team,......they are likely to meet in Semi Final......:D goood for INA to beat CHN .....:D :D or CHN to beat INA :D :D ......

[jasonmarc]

kenny7_2006, thanks for the info..:cool:..wow, ckckckck, is this a mess or what?!..:confused: ..ABC still doing and changing draws up til the last minute...sigh:p :rolleyes: :(

Seem like they are still too professional to be unprofessional!!!!!!!!:D :mad: :D :mad:

[kenny7_2006]

haha... screw those organisers for changing the draw again and again!!

make ppl confused and angry only... haha...

[pjswift]

WC... all China MS final... what makes you think LYB give a "crap" whether it is Lin Dan or Bao wins???:mad: Don't make your assumption sound like it is the truth.:mad:
Let me ask a question. Would LD emerge WN1 after WC if he had lost to Bao? Why do you think someone took the trouble to give a blow-by-blow account of the match and the gentleman then asked "Why did Bao stop at 17:17 ?' Actually the one who should have won the WC should be CH. There is no way CH could have lost to LD except as pre-instructed. Again, would LD be WN1 if he had lost to CH? Both CH and Bao were in scintillating form.

[OneToughBirdie]

Let me ask a question. Would LD emerge WN1 after WC if he had lost to Bao? Why do you think someone took the trouble to give a blow-by-blow account of the match and the gentleman then asked "Why did Bao stop at 17:17 ?' Actually the one who should have won the WC should be CH. There is no way CH could have lost to LD except as pre-instructed. Again, would LD be WN1 if he had lost to CH? Both CH and Bao were in scintillating form.
As I said previously, LD is no doubt a good player and would have won a lot of tournaments. While other players have to win the hard way, with LYB game fixing arrangement, it spoils the game and in a way diminish the tite that LD win.