AG2006 - Nov 30 Team Event Day 1

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Men's Team League Stage Pool B Match MT2 9:00 VIE - KOR
Men's Team League Stage Pool C Match MT3 9:00 JPN - MAS
Men's Team League Stage Pool A Match MT19:00 IND - CHN

Women's Team League Stage Pool W Match WT113:00 MAS - CHN
Women's Team League Stage Pool X Match WT213:00 HKG - THA
Women's Team League Stage Pool Y Match WT313:00 KOR - JPN

Men's Team League Stage Pool A Match MT417:00 IND - INA
Men's Team League Stage Pool B Match MT517:00 VIE - THA
Men's Team League Stage Pool C Match MT6　 JPN - HKG 　

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should not be any surprise today

China GDTV Sport live from 1400 GMT+8, if they keep their promise

tomorrow would be more interesting

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SATO Shoji (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5857336)1st SingleLEE Chong Wei (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5853084)
SASAKI Sho (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5857338)2nd SingleHASHIM Muhammad Hafiz (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5853083)
OHTSUKA Tadashi (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5857332)3rd SingleKUAN Beng Hong (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5853082)
SATO Shoji (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5857336)SASAKI Sho (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5857338)1st DoubleKOO Kien Keat (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5853086)TAN Boon Heong (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5814531)MASUDA Keita (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5857331)OHTSUKA Tadashi (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5857332)2nd DoubleLIN Woon Fui (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5853318)M TAZARI Mohd Fairuzizuan (http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/SPORTS/CO/IGCOParticipantInfo.aspx?Register=5853317)

?? play 3 singles first?

[madbad]

With talk of a redraw, is this accurate? Or did JAP and MAS get redrawn in the same group?

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this info is from the official website today

[kenny7_2006]

is MAS playing live now?? 9 as in GMT time or Qatar time??

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is MAS playing live now?? 9 as in GMT time or Qatar time??

local time , Qatar time.

[CLELY]

is MAS playing live now?? 9 as in GMT time or Qatar time??

9.00am is Doha time and 01.00pm for Jkt time ; 02.00pm MAS time.

Fortunately for us because the official website of Doha AG is very credible and complete at all, similar w/ Athens OG's web 2 years ago. We also can check Live result on there. Good preparation from DAGOC!

[kenny7_2006]

oh ok... i saw the timetable in Astro saying 2 pm, so i thought it was rescheduled.... thanks for the clarification..

[madbad]

LD (CHN) 21-19, 0-0 Sridhar (IND)
LHI (KOR) 21-16, 4-5 Ngyuen Tien Minh (VIE)
LCW (MAS) 21-10, 10-9 Sato (JAP)

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now live on GDTV sport

MAS - JPN

LCW took the first set 21:10, leading 10:6

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21:18, LCW took the 2nd set also.

now MAS 1:0

[madbad]

LD (CHN) 21-19, 21-11 Sridhar (IND). CHN up 1-0
LHI (KOR) 21-16, 14-21 Ngyuen Tien Minh (VIE). Rubber set to come
LCW (MAS) 21-10, 21-18 Sato (JAP). MAS up 1-0

[knop1805]

It is amazing that current score between Tien Minh of Vietnam and Lee hyun Il is 1-1.
After being lead in the first game, Tien Minh has tried to balance the score to 1-1. Great!

You are playing a wonderful game, Minh.
Hope you win this game! Keep trying and winning!!!

Go..go..go..

[jgao_net]

what channel are you watching it on?

[knop1805]

So Great!!! Nguyen Tien Minh beat Lee with the score is: 2-1!!!
The most wonderful news I heard!!! hahaha

Tien Minh, you are extremely great!!!

@jgao_net: I am watching live score on Doha official site: www.doha-2006.com

[madbad]

First big upset, Nguyen beat LHI 21-12 in rubber. VIE up 1-0
MD1 CHN 21-8 IND
Hafiz (MAS) 21-13 Sasaki (JAP)

[knop1805]

Nguyen Tien Minh 2 - 1 Lee Hyun Il

Even it just the first Single Game in Men Team, the result is really amazing for Vietnamese Team.

Hope to hear more good news from Vietnamese Team in Doha.

[madbad]

MD1 CHN 21-8, 21-11 IND. CHN up 2-0
Hafiz (MAS) 21-13, 21-13 Sasaki (JAP). MAS up 2-0
Nguyen Quang Minh (VIE) 10-14 Park Sung Hwan (KOR)

[**KZ**]

now KBH vs doubles player tadashi othsuka

[madbad]

CJ (CHN) 21-7, 0-4 Kashyap (IND)
KBH (MAS) 13-9 Ohtsuka (JAP)
Nguyen (VIE) 12-21, 6-12 Park (KOR)

[Han]

now KBH vs doubles player tadashi othsuka

Please don't remind BK he's playing against the double player, that may add pressure to him and buckle :D

[madbad]

CJ (CHN) 21-7, 8-10 Kashyap (IND)
KBH (MAS) 21-12 Ohtsuka (JAP)
Nguyen (VIE) 12-21, 13-21 Park (KOR). KOR and VIE tied 1-1

[shuzzack]

kbh won!!match go to malaysia..

[madbad]

CJ (CHN) 21-7, 21-19 Kashyap (IND). CJ reels off the last 6 points to win. CHN up 3-0
KBH (MAS) 21-12, 21-6 Ohtsuka (JAP). MAS up 3-0
Nguyen Hoang Hei (VIE) 14-21 Hwang (KOR)

[hcpoirot]

The results for today:

Men event:

Group A:

China - India : 5-0

Indonesia - India : 5-0

That mean India already out of men team event. Both matches India didnot play Anand C, probably injured. Such a shame cause Anand is a good player.

Group B:

Korea- Vietnam : 4-1

Thailand- Vietnam: 4-1

Vietnam is out but side note here, Nguyen Vietnam first MS beat LHI and Boonsak to get the only point for Vietnam team. Other players should watch out for him in individual event.

Group C:

Mas - Japan : 5-0

Japan- Hkg :5-0

Not a suprising when Japan lost to Malysia 0-5, but they can beat Hong Kong by 5-0, what an improvement considering Hkg got Ng Wei and not too bad first MD.

Women team:

Team A:

China - Malaysia: 5-0

Side note: WMC push ZN to play 3 sets.

Team B: Thailand-Hong Kong: 3-2

What a suprise here. Hkg lead 2-0 by winning WS1 and WS2 but lost the last 3 matches.

Team C: Japan-Korea:3-2

The same here: Korea won 2-0 firsy from WS1 and WD1 but lost the last 3 matches. Even Jun Jae Yon cannot help her team mates. They still ad to meet Taiwan. If they lost it will be extreme humiliating.

So maybe this is also the first Asian Games where Korea women team will not advanced to SF. Even worst become the last in their group .

[hcpoirot]

I wonder how the Korean girls hold their nerve cause they got beat by Taiwan 2-3 in the last Uber Cup meeting.

[hcpoirot]

I had to wonder how ABC scheduling this matches:

ITs not fair to India, Vietnam, Japan in men team today cause they had to play twice. It is because they are the last seeding in their group so they had to play twice?

But even if they only play once a day, I am not very sure they can beat their opponent today. So Kudos to Japan who although play twice today managed to beat Hkg in evening and made sure they will at least had a chance to SF.

[badMania]

It was definitely not a very convincing performance from Team Indonesia as they laboured to beat Team India 5-0. 3 of the ties went to rubber-sets, and the only convincing victory came from the third singles Sony Dwi Kuncoro, as he thrashed Nikhil Kanethar 21-9, 21-10.

As usual, Taufik Hidayat took his time to beat Anup Sridhar, with the first set ended in deuce 23-21, and even let the Indian to lead 10-7 in the second set. Taufik sealed the second set 21-16 with 4 consecutive points.

It was worse for Simon Santoso as he faced India's new star, P. Kashyap. Recall that the young Indian player had created some upsets in the European tourneys last month. So, it was no surprise that Simon struggled and even lost the first set 15-21. Simon came back strongly in the second set, thanks to a string of points after the interval when he surged ahead from 11-9 to 20-11 very quickly. He took the secon set 21-13. The third set was tight in the beginning, until it was 6-5 to the Indian. This time, it was his turn to rake up 6 consecutive points to lead 12-5. I thought it was over at this point, but, Simon came back to level the scores at 14-14 and even lead 17-14. There was no turning back and Simon won the rubber set 21-17. What a relief!

Both double pairs were also not convincing as they lost the first set 19-21 to opponents who were thrashed earlier by Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun and Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo. This does not bode well for the match against China :mad: The second set became very tight at the end as Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan threw away a 5-points lead, while Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto did the same with their 6-points lead. They could only win it 21-18 and 21-19 respectively to force a rubber set. Fortunately, they learnt their lessons and did not let a healthy lead evaporate quicky. Kido/Hendra took the rubbet set 21-13, while Luluk/Alvent won it 21-15.

At this moment, I don't think Team Indonesia will even steal 1-2 points against China on Saturday :cool:

[ctjcad]

At this moment, I don't think Team Indonesia will even steal 1-2 points against China on Saturday :cool:
(rest of post snipped for brevity)..
hcpoirot & badMania, thanks again for the recap of the INA squad's tie (looks like you guys got in just in time this morning to post before BC/BF underwent some maintenance)..;)
Well, we shall see what the INA Men's team has up their sleeves against CHN. It's put up or shut up time..:p;)

[Han]

No need to over analyze in such a early round as players still trying to adapt and India is not a weak team overall. The best is yet to come :o



It was definitely not a very convincing performance from Team Indonesia as they laboured to beat Team India 5-0. 3 of the ties went to rubber-sets, and the only convincing victory came from the third singles Sony Dwi Kuncoro, as he thrashed Nikhil Kanethar 21-9, 21-10.

As usual, Taufik Hidayat took his time to beat Anup Sridhar, with the first set ended in deuce 23-21, and even let the Indian to lead 10-7 in the second set. Taufik sealed the second set 21-16 with 4 consecutive points.

It was worse for Simon Santoso as he faced India's new star, P. Kashyap. Recall that the young Indian player had created some upsets in the European tourneys last month. So, it was no surprise that Simon struggled and even lost the first set 15-21. Simon came back strongly in the second set, thanks to a string of points after the interval when he surged ahead from 11-9 to 20-11 very quickly. He took the secon set 21-13. The third set was tight in the beginning, until it was 6-5 to the Indian. This time, it was his turn to rake up 6 consecutive points to lead 12-5. I thought it was over at this point, but, Simon came back to level the scores at 14-14 and even lead 17-14. There was no turning back and Simon won the rubber set 21-17. What a relief!

Both double pairs were also not convincing as they lost the first set 19-21 to opponents who were thrashed earlier by Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun and Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo. This does not bode well for the match against China :mad: The second set became very tight at the end as Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan threw away a 5-points lead, while Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto did the same with their 6-points lead. They could only win it 21-18 and 21-19 respectively to force a rubber set. Fortunately, they learnt their lessons and did not let a healthy lead evaporate quicky. Kido/Hendra took the rubbet set 21-13, while Luluk/Alvent won it 21-15.

At this moment, I don't think Team Indonesia will even steal 1-2 points against China on Saturday :cool:

[Dreamzz]

i don't really like this format of playing all the singles first then the doubles last.
i prefer the thomas cup format of S, D, S, D, S.

[madbad]

i don't really like this format of playing all the singles first then the doubles last.
i prefer the thomas cup format of S, D, S, D, S.

Every match has a different combination depending on whether the players are playing just singles or both singles and doubles.

[anfan2000]

ohhh...TienMinh is Great!

[bic33]

tien minh also beat boonsak... lol

[knop1805]

Great!!!
Winning over 2 higher ranked players is so wonderful!!!

I believe that Tien minh will beat Simon. S (Indo) in Men Single! haha
Wait and See.

[ants]

Malaysia had a comfortable win over Team Japan. However some of them did struggled a little in the first set. Our young doubles Lin Woon Fui/Tazari did raise some concern after their first outing playing against Japanese Pair. Maybe they got a little jittery. Hope its all over and look foward to the second round. Our KKK/TBH have no problems here. KBH did indeed feel a little pressure playing his first match. All he need is first win and a win he got.


Its rest day today... as everyone is getting excited to witness the opening ceremony in few hours time...

[Jessica]

Oh...ya...everyone is waiting for the tomorrow matches...Thanks ants for sharing all the information...Malaysia all the way!!!Hope Mas can get more medals especially the badminton team...

[hcyong]

Team B: Thailand-Hong Kong: 3-2

What a suprise here. Hkg lead 2-0 by winning WS1 and WS2 but lost the last 3 matches.

Team C: Japan-Korea:3-2

The same here: Korea won 2-0 firsy from WS1 and WD1 but lost the last 3 matches. Even Jun Jae Yon cannot help her team mates. They still ad to meet Taiwan. If they lost it will be extreme humiliating.

So maybe this is also the first Asian Games where Korea women team will not advanced to SF. Even worst become the last in their group .

Not surprising if you look at the lineup. Korea and Hong Kong have strength at the top but it tapers down quickly going down the ranks. Thailand and Japan have the quantity which is more advantageous in the team event. Ponsana and Yonekura both played as third singles, and their doubles' teams are also pretty strong.

[Dreamzz]

oh i see, to give the players time to recover.
so if all the players are just playing one event, does that mean it'll be SDSDS?


Every match has a different combination depending on whether the players are playing just singles or both singles and doubles.

[madbad]

oh i see, to give the players time to recover.
so if all the players are just playing one event, does that mean it'll be SDSDS?
Yes. It seems however, you can put the players in any of the slots regardless of ranking i.e. LD or LCW don't necessarily have to play first singles.

[hcyong]

Yes. It seems however, you can put the players in any of the slots regardless of ranking i.e. LD or LCW don't necessarily have to play first singles.

I doubt it. I have never encountered a team tournament where you can do that.

[madbad]

I doubt it. I have never encountered a team tournament where you can do that.
In the Women's THA v HK match, Salakjit Ponsana played 3rd singles. I was going by that.

[pjswift]

(rest of post snipped for brevity)..
hcpoirot & badMania, thanks again for the recap of the INA squad's tie (looks like you guys got in just in time this morning to post before BC/BF underwent some maintenance)..;)
Well, we shall see what the INA Men's team has up their sleeves against CHN. It's put up or shut up time..:p;)

Agree. Agree. BadMania may be right but just hope Han is more right otherwise it will be poor quality badminton.

[hcyong]

In the Women's THA v HK match, Salakjit Ponsana played 3rd singles. I was going by that.

Refer to the current world rankings.

[anfan2000]

Oh yeee...21-18, 18-21, 21-10. the victory for Nguyen Tien Minh

[nugroho]

well... lastest news i read this morning is that runner ups winner will face winner of group c which is malaysia....
so indonesia wil be likely face malaysia on the semis....
can anyone confirm about this?
i got this from
www.bolanews.com/edisi-cetak (http://www.bolanews.com/edisi-cetak)

[kbhreen]

YESSS!!! malaysia win in men's team..

good job ^ ____ ^

as ants say lwf/ tazari
struggle a lot

[Ethan]

what about news from the women's team ? How the reaction from mew choo after the match ?

[madbad]

Refer to the current world rankings.
IN another thread TWDC08 also spotted from the same match:
"hey!!i want to know why thailand can put saralee/sathinee as 2nd doubles???but actually their ranking is higher worr....anyone can tell me??"

You're telling me VORAVICHITCHAIKUL Kunchala /AROONKESORN Duanganong are ranked higher than Saralee and Sathinee?:rolleyes:

[hcyong]

IN another thread TWDC08 also spotted from the same match:
"hey!!i want to know why thailand can put saralee/sathinee as 2nd doubles???but actually their ranking is higher worr....anyone can tell me??"

You're telling me VORAVICHITCHAIKUL Kunchala /AROONKESORN Duanganong are ranked higher than Saralee and Sathinee?:rolleyes:

No, I was telling you Salakjit was rightfully playing as 3rd singles.

As for the doubles, my feeling is that Saralee/Sathinee is actually playing 1st doubles although officially listed as 2nd. Their opponents Yip/Chau are actually higher ranked than Wang/Koon. They needed to play the "1st doubles" later because Yippy had to play 2nd singles. Maybe they listed it as 2nd doubles based on chronological order.

[hcyong]

IN another thread TWDC08 also spotted from the same match:
"hey!!i want to know why thailand can put saralee/sathinee as 2nd doubles???but actually their ranking is higher worr....anyone can tell me??"

You're telling me VORAVICHITCHAIKUL Kunchala /AROONKESORN Duanganong are ranked higher than Saralee and Sathinee?:rolleyes:

Another example is the Malaysia-Japan match. How can new pairing KKK/TBH be playing 1st doubles over Fairuz/Lin? But looking at their opponents, you can see that Fairuz/Lin are actually playing Japan's top pair Masuda/Ohtsuka. However, that match has to be played last because Ohtsuka played 3rd singles, therefore based on order of play, it became 2nd doubles. I disagree of course. The match should be listed as 1st (based on strength) rather than 2nd (based on order of play).

Similar for Japan-Hong Kong.

[madbad]

No, I was telling you Salakjit was rightfully playing as 3rd singles.

As for the doubles, my feeling is that Saralee/Sathinee is actually playing 1st doubles although officially listed as 2nd. Their opponents Yip/Chau are actually higher ranked than Wang/Koon. They needed to play the "1st doubles" later because Yippy had to play 2nd singles. Maybe they listed it as 2nd doubles based on chronological order.

Sounds logical enough. However this system appears to be open to manipulation if you plan your singles/doubles player mixes properly. Or maybe I'm looking too deep into things,

[hcyong]

The Japanese men's team is amazing. Using just 4 players (2 singles specialists and 2 doubles specialists), they managed to trounce Hong Kong 5-0. And that after they had to play Malaysia earlier on the same day with the same 4 players.

[badMania]

The Japanese men's team is amazing. Using just 4 players (2 singles specialists and 2 doubles specialists), they managed to trounce Hong Kong 5-0. And that after they had to play Malaysia earlier on the same day with the same 4 players.

Hahaha...the same goes with the Vietnam players. Tien Minh also play both singles and doubles.

[hcyong]

Sounds logical enough. However this system appears to be open to manipulation if you plan your singles/doubles player mixes properly. Or maybe I'm looking too deep into things,

You cannot play around with the singles lineup. The higher-ranked player must play on the higher-ranked spot.

For doubles, the usual manipulation is to split the pairs usually to throw away the first doubles to create a stronger second doubles. This tactic has been used for as long as I knew.

[hcyong]

Hahaha...the same goes with the Vietnam players. Tien Minh also play both singles and doubles.

As a team, not as amazing as Japan, because Vietnam still lost both matches. But to single out an individual, Nguyen Tien Minh gave two amazing singles performances.

[badMania]

As a team, not as amazing as Japan, because Vietnam still lost both matches. But to single out an individual, Nguyen Tien Minh gave two amazing singles performances.

Certainly, it was his best day as a badminton player! Beating 2 highly ranked players in a matter of few hours are indeed no mean feat! Even Simon Santoso could not beat Lee Hyun Il! He will have a tough time against Tien Minh in the first round of the singles event. I fear he might even lose to the fast improving Vietnamese!

[twdc08]

Another example is the Malaysia-Japan match. How can new pairing KKK/TBH be playing 1st doubles over Fairuz/Lin? But looking at their opponents, you can see that Fairuz/Lin are actually playing Japan's top pair Masuda/Ohtsuka. However, that match has to be played last because Ohtsuka played 3rd singles, therefore based on order of play, it became 2nd doubles. I disagree of course. The match should be listed as 1st (based on strength) rather than 2nd (based on order of play).

Similar for Japan-Hong Kong.

oo...i know already....astro got show the match between china and malaysia or not??i want to watch the match between mew choo and zhang ning...

[Baderz_Jas]

go China!~! :D Women's Team no trouble! :D well done WMC for getting a set of ZN :)