AG2006 - Dec 02 Team Event Day 2

[haifeng4ever]

Luluk/Alvent have always found it difficult to play against Chinese pairs nowadays :cool:
They are getting weaker each day. ;)

[badMania]

A really ugly performance yet again by Luluk/Alvent as they lost the first set easily 10-21.

[haifeng4ever]

Markis/Kido are catching up. They are far too weak.

[hcpoirot]

Luluk/Alven again did not play well in team event. 10-21. Hope it will be better in second set.

[hcpoirot]

Probably Luluk/Alven already past their peak performance. 2-3 years ago they ranked number 1 or 2? They won many titles and beat most of the top MD.

But now?

[hcpoirot]

2 set. 4 all for both Ina and Chn pairs

[badMania]

Probably Luluk/Alven already past their peak performance. 2-3 years ago they ranked number 1 or 2? They won many titles and beat most of the top MD.

But now?

Luluk/Alvent are 27/26 yo...so...they could at most go for the next Olympics.
INA still have more promising pairs with Hendra AG/Joko Riyadi almost certain to be promoted to the main team next year.

[hcpoirot]

After Luluk/Alven lead 8-3, the score got tied again 9-8 for Ina leading.

[badMania]

A much better performance in the opening stage of the second set as Luluk/Alvent surged ahead 8-3. But, the 5-points lead went down the drain as they struggled again and now trailed 10-11 at the interval of the second set :cool:

[badMania]

Oh dear...it's 10 consecutive points for China as they make it 18-10. It's all over...

[hcpoirot]

Again, after leading from start and then 10-8, Luluk/Alven lost all by tailing now 10-15.

[sickgal]

chinese MD will be winning this match!! thumbs up for them!!

[hcpoirot]

PBSI should split this pair and team them with other pair.

[sickgal]

ho ho ho..INA golden days had disappeared!! at leasst for today1! !!

[badMania]

China has won the second doubles as I feared...and Luluk/Alvent lost to Guo/Xie yet again (probably the 3rd times this year :mad:).

[hcpoirot]

Yep! 21-12 for Guo/Xie.

From 10-8, Luluk/Alven onlygain 2 points meanwhile Guo/Xie had 13 points!

Geez, I wonder how will Indonesia do in runner up matches cause seems like we only had one strong MD1 and terible MD2.

[badMania]

They might put Nova/Alvent in for one of the matches tomorrow....

[sickgal]

the MAS MD wanna go into rubber game is it!!! aiks.... gam ba te!!

[hcpoirot]

Japan and probably Thailand or Korea is not easy opponents to win in runner up matches at all.

[hcpoirot]

And what happen with Mas pair also?

Losing to Hkg so so pair in second set?

[sickgal]

any update of BCL's match???? no live score yet.. i mean i could not find

[sickgal]

wanna ask...BCL not playing is it?? i mean since China won by 3-1 di...anyone plz tell me..

[hcpoirot]

Meanwhile Koea men already won 2-0 against Thailand men.

[Lennethe]

ya, CHN vs INA event has finished

[hcpoirot]

My guess is they didnot play the third MS cause the results is clear: China the group winner and Indonesia is runner up. Both BCL and Sonny can rest specially Sonny who probably had to play twice tomorrow.

[sickgal]

oh i see...thanks so much for the info!!

[GeLLy]

Yeah!!!!! Msia won..

[Lennethe]

Hm.........Mas vs HKG event also finished...MAS won by 3-1 too...

[sickgal]

HHOOORAAYy!!! m'sian MD won!!

[shuzzack]

lwf and mft should won by 2 sets...perhaps they r inconsistent..

[zqloy]

But Hafiz is disappointing.......

[*izzyC*]

Funny that Bao and Sony always meet each other in team events.. last time they were playing as 2nd singles, now both, erm, demoted to third singles... together!

[haifeng4ever]

Hafiz is the biggest loser. Everyone play so hard. but he...

[Lennethe]

dont care about him liao la~~~lolx
now care about mew choo...haha

[ahwp1990]

when is mew choo playing?

[Jessica]

Ya lah....As long as Mas is win...I am so happy coz can see KKK/TBH on action monday...Lets pray that Mas can go through to the finals but hafiz should really think probaly his future...He is getting weaker and weaker...

[Lennethe]

NOW!!!!!
YO!! Mew Choo YO!!!! GOOOO you can do it

[sickgal]

mew choo is playing now..leading by 9-7

[twdc08]

astro didnt shows the match between mas and indo arr???hafiz`s performance tdy really made all the malaysians felt disappointed...

[sickgal]

i wanna ask...why on women event.. like China women's team..they played till 5 matches?? though the chinese had won 3 matches earlier...

[ahwp1990]

astro wont show A LOT of the badminton =(

[**KZ**]

hafiz is very talented as a player but very lazy as well......

[**KZ**]

astro wont show A LOT of the badminton =(

I was gonna say that too.....tommorow is the team semis and I think they're not showing.....it sucks...instead they're showing shooting which I don't think is really enjoyable and should not be considered as a sport at all

[twdc08]

hah?!cannot see mew choo`s performance...but nvm la... gambateh mew choo n others...

[ahwp1990]

hehe I think Hafiz is my bros Idol... they're both very tall. Even tho my bro could beat a lot of the guys his age in Kch skill wise, he's lazy so he always loses by a few points =P

[ahwp1990]

I thought semis were on tuesday

[CaesarZ]

WMC won first game 21-13

[Lennethe]

I was gonna say that too.....tommorow is the team semis and I think they're not showing.....it sucks...instead they're showing shooting which I don't think is really enjoyable and should not be considered as a sport at all

tomorrow is not team semis, team semis in on 5th of December, tomorrow is runner up event

[sickgal]

mew choo!! gam ba te!! win that 2nd game..seal the 1st point for m'sian women team!!

[Lennethe]

Mas women team should be no problem to handle INA(i think so...)
so they shoud get into runner up event and chiong to become the qualifier of runner up event

[twdc08]

[quote=CaesarZ]WMC won first game 21-13[/quote

seems like an easy game4 mew choo...

[ahwp1990]

She was very convincing the last time so she should win easy.

[twdc08]

if malaysia beat indonesia...whom will they meet in the next round??

[ahwp1990]

MAS will meet all the other 2nd placers

[Lennethe]

if MAS beat INA, MAS will go into runner up event, and INA will crash out of women team's event

[**KZ**]

MAS will meet all the other 2nd placers

so if they win all they're other matches a medal is up for grabs rite?

[ahwp1990]

so if they win all they're other matches a medal is up for grabs rite?

If they win and reach semis, yeah

[ahwp1990]

any updates on the scores yet?

[CaesarZ]

WMC won 21-13, 21-16

[sickgal]

coolll...wmc won it!! 1st point to m'sian team!!

[Inky2000]

Anybody knows the full score of Boonsak vs. Hyun Il?

[twdc08]

ye@h~~...well done mew choo...next match is 1st double or 2nd single??

[Lennethe]

mew choo can do it de lah, she can take first set from zhang ning, i'm proud of her already. i hope zhou mi can train mew choo into another top player

[ahwp1990]

Yeah, hope more of Zhou Mi can rub off on MAS girls

[Lennethe]

double looks more difficult for MAS, INA is leading by 7-6

[Inky2000]

mew choo can do it de lah, she can take first set from zhang ning, i'm proud of her already. i hope zhou mi can train mew choo into another top player

I was in HK a couple of days ago and read their newspaper which reported that Zhou Mi has followed Wang Chen's footpath by becoming a HK resident. So, we can look forward to a HK women's team with Wang + Zhou which may become another Dutch team (with Audina and Yao).

[ahwp1990]

Mew Choo is getting better and better. She's more succesful that Mew Khieng...

[sickgal]

tight game in the WD huh..m'sia team jia you!!!

[ahwp1990]

aww, so no Zhou Mi?

[Lennethe]

then when will zhou mi leave msia? after asian games?

[Ching293]

To those living in malaysia,astro didnt show the match but see later 11.30 RTM 1 got about asian games-they show match not shown by astro.. Just now they show swimming, sepak takraw, astro didnt. So mayb later they show....

[**KZ**]

scores at 13-10 now...INA leading....c'mon M'sia gotta win this

[twdc08]

hope rtm will show the match la...so how`s the result now???

[**KZ**]

WPT/CEH getting inconsistent again....now INA leads 16-11

[Lennethe]

INA is leading by 15-11
c'mon, MAS team, you can do it

[twdc08]

now 16-11 le...wats wrong with chin/wong???

[**KZ**]

http://www.doha-2006.com/gis/Sports/BD/IGBDMatchResultsTM.aspx?rscid=BDW03-BDLP10-LW03-D1 here are the results for those who don't know...just refresh it everytime

[Lennethe]

17-14 to INA....my bad

[ahwp1990]

oh noes! Come on WPT/CEH

[Lennethe]

18-16...
i'm getting nervous...

[ahwp1990]

its OK, they're catching up.

[Lennethe]

20-17.....swt....

[Lennethe]

awwww.they lost the first set

[**KZ**]

woah....thai 3rd singles player is only 16

[twdc08]

c`mon chin and wong....jiayou...

[Inky2000]

then when will zhou mi leave msia? after asian games?

The news article didn't elaborate clearly. It gave me an impression that Zhou has already reached HK. The article has never mentioned her short stay in Malaysia after she quit the Chinese national team.

[ahwp1990]

woah....thai 3rd singles player is only 16

wasnt she Boonsak's sister? the 3rd player yesterday was her

[sickgal]

aiks... hope they perform well n win the 2nd game!!

[nugroho]

i think indonesia can beat malaysia

[**KZ**]

wasnt she Boonsak's sister? the 3rd player yesterday was her

I'm talkin bout the mens team.....not salakjit:)

[twdc08]

omg....indonesia leading agian!!!

[**KZ**]

gosh the M'sia vs INA match is close....c'mon M'sia must win this

[ahwp1990]

o hehe sorry bout that!

[Lennethe]

hey, anyone knows what's pei tty's age?

[Lennethe]

17 off now, MAS team GOGOGOGOOGOGOGo

[**KZ**]

20-all now.....c'mon M'sia

[**KZ**]

21-20 MAS game point....finish it

[twdc08]

oh....novita terseliuh is it??n rtm is showing now ..haha

[Ching293]

17 off now, MAS team GOGOGOGOOGOGOGo
indonesia injured.. Live at rtm 1. Quick see..

[Ching293]

<p>
17 off now, MAS team GOGOGOGOOGOGOGo</p> indonesia injured.. Live at rtm 1. Quick see..

[Lennethe]

omg.........why take so long to get 22!!!!?!!?!?!?!?

[twdc08]

wow...mayb novita/greysia will retire...coz novita injuried..

[sickgal]

huh?? very serious injury??

[Ching293]

<p>
17 off now, MAS team GOGOGOGOOGOGOGo</p> indonesia injured.. Live at rtm 1. Quick see..
jo novita fell down again.. Mayb they give up. Ya they give up. Mas win.

[Jessica]

How could this happens???Anyone watching just now???

[sickgal]

huh?? rtm1 dont show the badminton event anymore??

[twdc08]

greysia/novita retire alrdy...now malaysia leading 2-0!!!

[ahwp1990]

Poor Novita... even tho I wanted MAS to win, I wouldnt wish anyone to get hurt. Saw it on RTM. Same thing happened to me last Sunday. Couldnt walk for 3 days!

[ahwp1990]

huh?? rtm1 dont show the badminton event anymore??

Yeah, they're showing Daniel Bego =/

[Ching293]

Her leg cant balance, left 1 leg standing and she fell down.. Den she start playing for last point, she fell down again.. There is badminton now again..

[twdc08]

firdasari is leading now...11-7

[twdc08]

firdasari won the 1st game 21-18...gambateh julia!!!

[sickgal]

i think INA will will this match!!

[Jessica]

Julia lose to the indo player...Just hope mas can win in the next match...

[ahwp1990]

awww, Julia knee must be bothering her

[twdc08]

omg...julia lose 18-21/15-21....hope malaysia will win the next match!!!gambateh team malaysia!!!

[Malaysianfan]

i think INA will will this match!!

first time watching Julia play and i don't think she is good. Amazed by the performance of Indonesian player, Adrianti.

[badMania]

Adriyanti Firdasari fulfilled her promise as she beat Julia Wong 21-18, 21-15. Firda was very impressive with her cross-court and forehand smashes which left the Malaysian running from left to right and also falling down many times trying to save the shuttles.

Now....hopefully Lilyana Natsir/Lita Nurlita also beat the Malaysian pair to level the scores at 2-2.

It could have been 2-1 to INA right now with Jo Novita/Greysa Polii at match point 20-19 in the second set, before that terrible injury to Jo Novita. Hopefully this wuill spur the INA players to win today's tie against MAS.

[badMania]

Hasbullah Awang's commentary is always enjoyable to listen, compared to the Chinese's often biased comments.

[mirrura]

Malaysian girls really got thrashed!!

For once we're thankful for RTM for the live coverage cuz astro's not showing any matches today :|

[Jessica]

Mas look dangerous in this match...

[badMania]

Lilyana Natsir's presence is really making this look like a one-sided match.
The INA pair leads comfortably 11-2.

[twdc08]

indonesia`s pair leading 11-2 now!!!is too easy4 them especially liliyana...and joanne made many unforced errors...

[twdc08]

indonesia won 1st game 21-9....very dangerous now4 malaysia...jiayou!!!!!

[badMania]

The MAS pair played much better after the interval, but, the INA pair managed to extend their lead and took the first set 21-9. They should be able to take this match.

[sickgal]

i seriously think MAs gonna blow away the whole thing
!

[yannie]

Yeah, they're showing Daniel Bego =/

Daniel Bego ended number 7 :p
Yup, I watched CCTV5 all day, but they only showed swimming... China won 5 out of 6 events...

Shocked about Chen Jin's performance!!! :eek:
And Alvent/Luluk.. :confused:

[badMania]

It's much closer in the second set as the MAS pair started to play aggressively and forced the INA pair to make a couple of errors. They even lead 6-4. But, the INA pair woke up and string a couple of points to lead 11-7 at the interval.

[mirrura]

yup. I think too. It shall come to the fifth game to decide the outcome of this tie. But they won't give up without a fight.

[badMania]

Two errors from Lilyana Natsir narrowed their lead to 12-11.

[twdc08]

omg...juz now got a big mistake made by joanne...now tied at 2-2 alrdy!!!jiayou malaysia!!!!!

[badMania]

It was a tense ending as the INA pair finally took it 21-19 in the second set. Kudos to the MAS pair for giving a hard fight, esp in the closing stage when the scores were very tight.

SO, INA ties the score at 2-2 with the deciding game between Pia Zebadiah between Norsyahliza Baharum. Can Pia deliver the precious point? I still think MAS has the edge.

[Jessica]

The malay player from mas is playing the final match...Lets hope she will win.

[sickgal]

well... i am right..what a waste!! but at least this time they made up to 19 before lost the 2nd game...consider ok

[twdc08]

you can do it norsyahliza!!!gambateh!!!!

[sickgal]

huh??what??WMC???

[elwin81]

R u sure Mew Choo will play as 3rd single?
Can they change the start list ???

[badMania]

It's Norsyahliza Baharum, as corrected by Hasbullah Awang.

Come on Pia...grab your first major result as a Pelatnas player!

[badMania]

It was 4-0 to the Malaysian, but, Pia levelled it at 4-4.

[Malaysianfan]

It is 10:5 already to Indonesia

[**KZ**]

OMG......pia got so many points and is now leading 10-5....rtm 1 stop broadcasting as always....the commentator needs to slp...

[elwin81]

Pia is looking good.
I am sure both players are very nervous now.

[badMania]

Pia nabbed 9 straight points to make it 9-4 before Norsyahliza got another point. Pia still leads 11-7 at the interval.

[**KZ**]

gosh i'm getting nervous myself....aii....if only julia played better today

[twdc08]

aiyo....rtm stopped showing it alrdy....

[twdc08]

very nervous now...jiayou malaysia!!!

[mirrura]

gosh i'm getting nervous myself....aii....if only julia played better today
yeah. No offense, but Julia really looked clumsy today. I've actually lost count how many times she fell down to save some shots.

[twdc08]

indonesia leading now....15-11

[badMania]

3 consecutive points for Pia as she regains the 5-points lead at 18-13.

[whatsoever]

cmon Pia!!!!! Make it 3-2

[badMania]

Inching closer towards the finish line now...20-14 to Pia.

[whatsoever]

It's 00.45 in INA now. Most of Indonesians are sleeping now. He he I'm still here.

[badMania]

Pia Zebadiah takes the first set 21-14. Let's hope she can continue the good performance.

[whatsoever]

No live broadcast on Indo TV now, so dissappointing!!!

[whatsoever]

Yes!!!!!! Pia took the first set.

[badMania]

Another 6 consecutive points means that Pia has established quite a healthy lead in the second set at 7-1.

[whatsoever]

Feel so dissappointed by Ina TVs, they broadcast Premiership league and Serie A (Italian football), but Indo football team lost to Iraq and SYria terribly in Asian games. So what's the point of the live broadcasts?

[badMania]

The lead extended to 9 points now at 11-2 to Pia at the interval of the second set in just 4 mins. Quite impressive...

[Ethan]

I guess misbun's time is up, only players from Li Mao is playing good. Except for KBH who jz recently switched to Li Mao. Too Bad for the Malaysian players that can't understand mandarin. Their progress are very much stagnated.

[nugroho]

mmm where can i see it online?
i mean live stream?

[whatsoever]

11-2 now for pia.

[byelnats]

Yeah!!! Looking good for INA. The women team is not that bad after all. They must have made a lot of effort to come this far. GO INDO!!

[badMania]

Norsyahliza got her 3rd point in the second set, but, Pia still leads comfortably 13-3.

[nugroho]

who will play as the other group runner up?

[byelnats]

BadMania, Sylvinna Kurniawan is apparently better than Pia, right?

[badMania]

Yeah!!! Looking good for INA. The women team is not that bad after all. They must have made a lot of effort to come this far. GO INDO!!

The injury (hopefully not so serious) to Jo Novita perhaps spurred her team-mates to perform their best and win the tie. It will be a good achievement if they can beat Malaysia. Since Korea is one of the runners-up, I don't think INA can beat Korea tomorrow. Another win against either HKG or THA will be a bonus.

[badMania]

BadMania, Sylvinna Kurniawan is apparently better than Pia, right?

Well...she has beaten both Pia and Bellaetrix recently. She is another one with good potential to go far.

[whatsoever]

Pia leads 17-7 now.

[badMania]

Norsyahliza got 4 straight points to narrow it to 7-15. But, Pia continued her good progress by winning yet another 3 consecutive points to lead 18-7.

[byelnats]

Yihaaa!!!! It's a good day! It's a good day!

[badMania]

And the Malaysian fans here are now becoming very quiet......

[whatsoever]

18-8!!!! cmon Pia 3 more points to make it 3-2

[nugroho]

wel... i think they beat each other just like their senior beat each iother i suppose... but could they improve to top 20 ?
big question mark for all of us...

[byelnats]

Hahaha, they called Pia as Bernaded, Pia? Isn't it Zebadiah?

[badMania]

Another 2 points for the MAS player, but Pia is in control with just 2 points more at 19-9.

[byelnats]

19-10, time to wrap it up! Go Pia!

[whatsoever]

19-10 Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[badMania]

Hahaha, they called Pia as Bernaded, Pia? Isn't it Zebadiah?

Her full name is Pia Bernadet Zebadiah.

[mirrura]

Ha. All very disappointed. But seriously, thumbs up for indonesian girls. Even with the first WD got injured, they managed to beat malaysia.

[Felix.]

i dunno why people are so surprised with ina winning over malaysia in women's team. malaysia has one strong women's single and one strong women's double and that's about it while indoenesia has more good players overall.

too bad jo was injured. i hope it's not serious sice she and greysa was playing so well today. if maria was included in the team, overall the team would be much stronger. but its good to give opportunities for the young player like pia.

[nugroho]

hahaha.. i realize that no malay supporter here... where are they?

[whatsoever]

19-12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[badMania]

A mini-comeback by the MAS player as she narrowed it to 13-19.
But, it's match point now to Pia, 20-13.

[byelnats]

It's not over yet guys...come on Pia. Don't lose your concentration!

[byelnats]

Match point 20-13

[whatsoever]

Yesssss!!!!!! INA won 3-2

[Felix.]

Well...she has beaten both Pia and Bellaetrix recently. She is another one with good potential to go far.
like i said on the other thread, sylvinna is the best junior that i've seen. much better tha pia.

[byelnats]

YESSS, 21-13!!!! Cheers everybody!!!

[nugroho]

sooo BAdMania could you give us some info about the countries who will join the runner up group?

[byelnats]

Do you think they are going to recruit Slyvinna into the Pelatnas? That will be nice. Who knows, she may be the next Susi Susanti.

[whatsoever]

Which countries that INA will play tomorrow?

[Felix.]

congrats to the indonesia's women team. everyone was not giving them any chance to win but they proved the doubters wrong and i'm guessing the national championship last two weeks played a big role for them.

[badMania]

An impressive performance by Pia Zebadiah as she beat Norsyahliza Baharum 21-14, 21-13. INA beat MAS 3-2, despite trailing 0-2. It could have been 4-1 if not for Jo's injury.

Get rid of Nana and send Firda, Maria + Pia (and Aprillia) to compete next year. After seeing Pia's perfomance against Zhu Lin today, I am sure she can go far once she has enough playing experience in the senior level.

The next thing is to recruit Fang Kaixiang and let her train Pia, Sylvinna (and maybe Maria Febe if she's still not in Pelatnas) and Bellaetrix.

[nugroho]

Do you think they are going to recruit Slyvinna into the Pelatnas? That will be nice. Who knows, she may be the next Susi Susanti.
as long as i know PBSI still short on the money thing.. they still decentralized their training camp. which club is slyvinna?

[byelnats]

We may stand a chance even against Korea. Japan beat Korea yesterday. The only REAL threat is Lee/Lee pair. The rest I will say about 50-50 chance. What do you guys think?

[byelnats]

Sylvinna is in Djarum Kudus right now.

[whatsoever]

we already has pia (Mia's younger version), Sylvinna K (Susi susanti's younger version). Maybe we need another Ricky Subagja and RexY's younger version.

[byelnats]

Bringing Fang Kai Xiang from Djarum can be another solution, but I doubt it. The other pelatnas coaches won't be too happy about it.

[badMania]

like i said on the other thread, sylvinna is the best junior that i've seen. much better tha pia.

Could be...because her coach is Fang Kaixiang. BTW, where did you watch her play?

Pia needs to concentrate on either singles/doubles if she wants to make it big. Playing in WS and WD will not be a wise choice for her. Her attacking style seems to suit doubles.....

[Felix.]

Do you think they are going to recruit Slyvinna into the Pelatnas? That will be nice. Who knows, she may be the next Susi Susanti.
god, i hope not. that girl seemed very comfortable with her current coach which i believe is from china. joining the pbsi would spell trouble to her career. anyway her club, djarum, do send their players to overseas to compete which is always good since pbsi sometimes only send the players they think would win or reach sf and above. that's why the women's team haven't really been progressing which is because of the lack of matches.

[badMania]

We may stand a chance even against Korea. Japan beat Korea yesterday. The only REAL threat is Lee/Lee pair. The rest I will say about 50-50 chance. What do you guys think?

Forget abt the first singles and doubles. There's no way Nana can beat Hwang Hye Yeon after two wretched performances today. INA might also throw away the first doubles since Jo is injured.

The key matches will still be as today's: Adriyanti Firdasari against Lee Yun Hwa and Lita Nurlita/Lilyana Natsir against Hwang Yu Mi/Ha Jung Eun. If INA is lucky enough, these 2 points can also be won.

However, Jun Jae Youn should beat Pia Zebadiah in the deciding tie.

So, Korea should win it.

[byelnats]

It looks promising though for Ladies division of INA. Now we also need to re-establish our superiority in Men division especially doubles. I heard they were going to ask Tony/Candra to play for Olympic 2008.

[byelnats]

No offense to Nana, but it seems that she has hit the ceiling. Maria Kristin will probably fare better than her. I wish she was at least sent for a back-up. Now we will almost definitely lose first single :(

[badMania]

It looks promising though for Ladies division of INA. Now we also need to re-establish our superiority in Men division especially doubles. I heard they were going to ask Tony/Candra to play for Olympic 2008.

I am not too worried...but..the backup pairs need to compete against the top pairs...and not in Satellites!

We have Yoga/Yoke, Rendra/Frans, and Bona/Ahsan as the backup pairs.

[badMania]

Well..well...the usually enthusiastic MAS fans here have now gone to bed...hehe:D

[Felix.]

An impressive performance by Pia Zebadiah as she beat Norsyahliza Baharum 21-14, 21-13. INA beat MAS 3-2, despite trailing 0-2. It could have been 4-1 if not for Jo's injury.

Get rid of Nana and send Firda, Maria + Pia (and Aprillia) to compete next year. After seeing Pia's perfomance against Zhu Lin today, I am sure she can go far once she has enough playing experience in the senior level.

The next thing is to recruit Fang Kaixiang and let her train Pia, Sylvinna (and maybe Maria Febe if she's still not in Pelatnas) and Bellaetrix.
it's funny how nana was pimped to be the best amongst the rest of women's single but in reality, she isn't. it's prolly because of her win agaisnt tina in sudirman cup which was 2 years ago. since then, she really hasnt done anything impressive.

firda has the posture. with the right coach, she can be good. maria is injury prone but when everything clicks together, her game is very pleasant to watch. there are crops of talented young girls who can do some damage in 2-3 years time.

[badMania]

god, i hope not. that girl seemed very comfortable with her current coach which i believe is from china. joining the pbsi would spell trouble to her career. anyway her club, djarum, do send their players to overseas to compete which is always good since pbsi sometimes only send the players they think would win or reach sf and above. that's why the women's team haven't really been progressing which is because of the lack of matches.

Djarum does have an excellent infrastructure and money to support these players. BUT, staying in the club forever won't be a solution either. She needs to be in Pelatnas if she's to represent Indonesia in major tourneys like the Olympics, Uber and Sudirman Cups.

[byelnats]

it's funny how nana was pimped to be the best amongst the rest of women's single but in reality, she isn't. it's prolly because of her win agaisnt tina in sudirman cup which was 2 years ago. since then, she really hasnt done anything impressive.

firda has the posture. with the right coach, she can be good. maria is injury prone but when everything clicks together, her game is very pleasant to watch. there are crops of talented young girls who can do some damage in 2-3 years time.

But Tine Rasmussen was a complete newbie then. I remembered watching the match and Morten Frost said that Tine is a complete newbie. She played to cover one of the injured player...I forgot who. If they meet again now, I have complete confidence that Tine will beat Nana.

[badMania]

But Tine Rasmussen was a complete newbie then. I remembered watching the match and Morten Frost said that Tine is a complete newbie. She played to cover one of the injured player...I forgot who. If they meet again now, I have complete confidence that Tine will beat Nana.

Nana simply does not have the right attitude and posture to beat even players like WMC. Out of the 3 players sent to the Euro tourneys, Firda and Maria returned home with a gold and silver. Nana just won a couple of matches against unknown players. She lost to Huang Chia-Chi (which was beaten by Maria) and also Li Wenyan (lost to Firda).

[Felix.]

Could be...because her coach is Fang Kaixiang. BTW, where did you watch her play?

Pia needs to concentrate on either singles/doubles if she wants to make it big. Playing in WS and WD will not be a wise choice for her. Her attacking style seems to suit doubles.....
i saw her match during the indonesia junior championship at batam where she beat pia in the final and bea in the semi. and if i'm not wrong she did beat aprilia in the qf. the final match was pretty entertaining but i was so sure sylvinna was going to win even though she lost the second game. she looked so much calmer and confident.

[badMania]

i saw her match during the indonesia junior championship at batam where she beat pia in the final and bea in the semi. and if i'm not wrong she did beat aprilia in the qf. the final match was pretty entertaining but i was so sure sylvinna was going to win even though she lost the second game. she looked so much calmer and confident.

I do agree that at the moment, Sylvinna Kurniawan does look the most promising. The best thing is...she's still a junior :D Even Pia is only 18 yo.

[nugroho]

Now... INA men team has to fight again against CHN.... is ther any possibility that INA could nail CHN?

[Felix.]

Djarum does have an excellent infrastructure and money to support these players. BUT, staying in the club forever won't be a solution either. She needs to be in Pelatnas if she's to represent Indonesia in major tourneys like the Olympics, Uber and Sudirman Cups.
well, you do have a point there. i do hope she sticks to djarum for at least a year first before moving to pelatnas (rat's hole). the coach can polish her to be much better player than hendrawan (who btw was biased against certain players) and co would ever hope for.

[badMania]

Recaps from the MILO Indonesia Open Junior 2006:
Sylvinna Kurniawan
QF bt Aprilia Yuswandari 21-15, 23-21
SF bt Bellaetrix Manuputty 13-21, 21-18, 21-19
F bt Pia Zebadiah 21-18, 18-21, 21-16

[badMania]

Now... INA men team has to fight again against CHN.... is ther any possibility that INA could nail CHN?

I don't put much hope in the team event. A bronze is a good enough achievement.

[Felix.]

Now... INA men team has to fight again against CHN.... is ther any possibility that INA could nail CHN?
almost impossible unless all of their players get injured at some points during the match lmao. does china even ever lose a match in the team competition before?

[nugroho]

almost impossible unless all of their players get injured at some points during the match lmao. does china even ever lose a match in the team competition before?
well... actually i still see CHN vs INA as 50-50 as all of their player has the chance to beat each other....
taufik vs lin dan
M/H vs C/H
simon vs CJ
L/A vs ??
Sony vs Bao
all has 50% shance to beat each other... only if INA player play 120 %

[Felix.]

almost impossible unless all of their players get injured at some points during the match lmao. does china even ever lose a match in the team competition before?
oh i was referring to the women's team btw. i mean ina women's team is also going to play china if they qualify to the sf, right

the chance to reach sf is very slim though. i do think the third single, pia, would be the crucial tie. i can see firda and lita/natsir or natsir/vita or lita/vita win. if jo is still injured. greysa/vita and lita/natsir would be pretty interestig pairs.

[Felix.]

Recaps from the MILO Indonesia Open Junior 2006:
Sylvinna Kurniawan
QF bt Aprilia Yuswandari 21-15, 23-21
SF bt Bellaetrix Manuputty 13-21, 21-18, 21-19
F bt Pia Zebadiah 21-18, 18-21, 21-16

:D:D
sylvinna owns the pelatnas players. ;)

[Felix.]

well... actually i still see CHN vs INA as 50-50 as all of their player has the chance to beat each other....
taufik vs lin dan
M/H vs C/H
simon vs CJ
L/A vs ??
Sony vs Bao
all has 50% shance to beat each other... only if INA player play 120 % i'm not a fan of the men's team but i doubt they are going to win. luluk/alvent ruin the slight chance of the upset even if taufik wins against lindan.

i'm not a fan of taufik but i got to say that this guy has the talents to be the legend (he's prolly one now). spotted him at the nightlife places at least once a week a couple of years ago when i was still in jakarta, but he was still winning left and right at that time. if he put on a little more effort, without a doubt, he can still be the #1 player.

[Krisna]

I met Firdasari a week before she went to Doha. I think she has a sexy smile... :D

[bananaboy]

I wonder if LYB really wanted to test his 2nd doubles team to find out how the team measure up to Indo's team, so he ordered CJ to simply give away the match... the result is just too shocking to be true.:eek:

[Sandy]

it's funny how nana was pimped to be the best amongst the rest of women's single but in reality, she isn't. it's prolly because of her win agaisnt tina in sudirman cup which was 2 years ago. since then, she really hasnt done anything impressive.

firda has the posture. with the right coach, she can be good. maria is injury prone but when everything clicks together, her game is very pleasant to watch. there are crops of talented young girls who can do some damage in 2-3 years time.

Nana has beaten Caroline Sorensen as alternate player because of Tine Rasmussen got injury in previous match.
I agree, she is "golden kid" of Hendrawan, overrated too much. Best rank because of a lot of sent to tournament without good results, best achievement is QF won by W/O. So weird when Hendrawan excused her when lost to Maria in Jakarta Open or lost to Anna Rice in HKG Open :rolleyes: :eek:

Firda is best potential WS among INA WS players, taller and good attacking play. I wacth in Kejurnas against Yuan Kartika, she had much basically weakness in long rally. I guess she got wrong method of training. When she (and Silvy Antarini, Maria Kristin) coached by Ivana Lie, look much promising. I watched her matches in ABC 2003 & UC 2004.

[byelnats]

Well, for now we can celebrate for the women team achievement. Korea comes next. Slimmer chance, but we never say die, do we?

Simon's win is the most unexpected. He must have trained really hard to come this far. The stuff about people saying Chen Jin threw the game away is ********. Chen Jin does not struck me as someone who will throw a match away. As a matter of fact, I don't see any Chinese player with that attitude. They always tries their best and thrash the opponents when they can. I think we should give Simon the credit here. Granted, Simon is not the most consistent player, but he is not shabby when he is in top form. He beat Taufik before in Indonesian Open right after Taufik won the WC 2005. He has the skill, but he is not consistent. However, the second time they meet won't be easy. I will bet my last penny that Chen Jin will study and be well prepared for Simon the second time around.

[bananaboy]

Well, for now we can celebrate for the women team achievement. Korea comes next. Slimmer chance, but we never say die, do we?

Simon's win is the most unexpected. He must have trained really hard to come this far. The stuff about people saying Chen Jin threw the game away is ********. Chen Jin does not struck me as someone who will throw a match away. As a matter of fact, I don't see any Chinese player with that attitude. They always tries their best and thrash the opponents when they can. I think we should give Simon the credit here. Granted, Simon is not the most consistent player, but he is not shabby when he is in top form. He beat Taufik before in Indonesian Open right after Taufik won the WC 2005. He has the skill, but he is not consistent. However, the second time they meet won't be easy. I will bet my last penny that Chen Jin will study and be well prepared for Simon the second time around.
Claim down... I did write "wonder", so I did not state it as a fact or anything close to that.

It is such a shock that consider Chen Jin recently defeated Taufik, and Simon lost to QBC of China in China open 1st round... whom would have thought that today's result would be such a shocking ending. I watched Simon's match at China open and it was just disappointing, and Chen Jin's match with Taufik showed Chen Jin was top player material.:cool:

I agree that Chen Jin(if he played seriously today) will definitely prepare hard for Simon before their next meeting(if that happens, indo needs to make it to SF)... today's result just blew my mind as I expected Chen Jin simply dominate Simon. Actually i wanted the match between Sony and Bao... too bad.:crying:

However, I do believe my point of LYB wanting to see how his 2nd doubles team measure up, makes sense... as there is still possibility that Fu/Cai may not defeat Kido/Setiwan next time, and 2nd doubles need to come up and play even if Chen Jin wins 2nd singles next time. I am not stating as a fact, just there is a possibility.;)

[ctjcad]

They might put Nova/Alvent in for one of the matches tomorrow....
...hehe, what's the difference anyway between using Luluk..Are they going to save Luluk's energy for their (possible) rematch vs. CHN in the semis??..I'll say use him up, since he's on the team..:rolleyes: :p ;)

[ctjcad]

..well, just finished reading the posts in this thread...
As some of you have stated, the INA Men's team 2nd place finish was expected...
Now, after getting their feet wet, they just have to pass the Runner-Up stage for another chance of a rematch vs. CHN...:cool:

just some comments on previous posts:

It's kinda expected really....only ppl living in dreamland like Indra will think that Taufik will win...
..hmm, indra believes Taufik(and the INA squad) will win..hehe:rolleyes: :p :D ;)


cooler!! i have no idea as welll... i wonder where's indra now..sobbing perhaps! ahaks!
i think indra is off for the weekend...i'm sure we'll hear from him sometimes on Monday(INA time); that is if they win their RU stage...And then, one more time, he will predict Taufik & co. will take down the mighty wall of CHN in the semis..hehe:rolleyes: :p :D ;)

[DoublesPlayer]

I didn't watch the games between INA vs. CHN, but I doubt that INA played very seriously, I don't like this kind of strategies though. Lius Pongoh was thinking whether they should play all-out against CHN in the group qualification or just do it once in the semifinal. which is more important off course.

[byelnats]

It's disappointing, but INA is notorious for choosing their opponent. I don't know how serious INA played against China today, but INA had done that several times in the past. They will purposely lose to someone in the group match in order to meet a particular team in the later stage. NOW, I am really sad to say this, but the current INA team has little chance to defeat China in the team event considering how good China's lineup is. There is a chance if they go all out, but it is like 20% chance or even less.

The possibility of INA using Nova makes sense because Luluk is always the weakest link in Luluk/Alvent partnership. INA's coach probably want to pair Nova/Alvent to give them a chance to prepare for the showdown against China.

[ctjcad]

The possibility of INA using Nova makes sense because Luluk is always the weakest link in Luluk/Alvent partnership. INA's coach probably want to pair Nova/Alvent to give them a chance to prepare for the showdown against China.
..hehe, i know it's an outside possibility, but have both of them played competitively, as a pair, before??..If not, what do you guys think their chances will be??..:rolleyes: :p

[DoublesPlayer]

Nova is not an option to be paired with Alvent, period. I'm pretty sure Lius Pongoh won't consider this option.

[twdc08]

so sad to hear abt that.....why malaysia lost??but anyway...indonesia is just too good...and malaysia has to find more talented players for the 2nd and 3rd single...the great disparity among julia,norsyahliza and mew choo makes team malaysia become unbalanced although they hv a good 1st single n 1st doubles...

[taufik-ist]

It looks promising though for Ladies division of INA. Now we also need to re-establish our superiority in Men division especially doubles. I heard they were going to ask Tony/Candra to play for Olympic 2008.

ya...

sutiyoso has officially asked chandra/tony to play under indonesia flag in olympic 2008 and Mr ciputra ( the owner of jayaraya badminton club, also he is a real estate tycoon) has also asked them , too

chandra has agreed to play again in olympic 2008 (only if he pairs up with tony), now PBSI must 'get' tony back to indonesia

i'm sure the 'mission' of getting back tony/chandra will be successful

[taufik-ist]

I wonder if LYB really wanted to test his 2nd doubles team to find out how the team measure up to Indo's team, so he ordered CJ to simply give away the match... the result is just too shocking to be true.:eek:

ha..ha
CJ's fans try to find an excuse :)

accept the fact, simon has played better :D

[2cents]

CJ has a good first half of 2006, winning two titles including one 6 star, but not in good form for a while recently and failed to win any titles since. He is the only CHN players lost to non-CHN players at WC. I think he's just entering the bottle neck of his career path. Whether or not he could come out remains a question mark.

[bananaboy]

ha..ha
CJ's fans try to find an excuse :)

accept the fact, simon has played better :D
I am trying to learn from you guys, but it's harder for me since Chen Jin doesn't lose as often as Taufik, and I have to come up with something that you guys never used before, and that left me with not much but to come up with some very creative ones... by the way, I am not even a huge fan of Chen Jin, just shock simply because I always think Simon is not much of a good player consider his performance this year.:p

Even worse, Chen Jin kicked Taufik's behind in China open, then lose to Simon with that kind of score doesn't make much sense at all... unless you can say Simon is Way better than Taufik, but noooo... Simon lost in 1st round China open to QBC of china just less than 2 months ago....

[cooler]

LD vs TH rerun on GDSports right now !!!!

Superb actions.

TH surprise backhand straight smash, NO PROBLEM pick up by LD :D

nice hairpin cross court drop by TH.

TH just cannot defend LD jump smashes:D

[ctjcad]

..found this article from bulutangkis.com..
Can anyone help us again in translating.(ie. indra, babonimut, DoublesPlayer, Krisna etc.)...thanks in advance-;):cool:
http://www.bulutangkis.com/mod.php?mod=publisher&op=viewarticle&artid=1152&PHPSESSID=c963cda4b198c88e310da6903adcdfae
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Asian Games XV 2006 Doha, Qatar
Taufik Kelelahan Hadang Lin Dan
Oleh admin
Minggu, 03-Desember-2006, 11:11:40 14 klik

DOHA - Kekalahan dari seteru beratnya Lin Dan tadi malam tidak terlalu disikapi serius oleh Taufik Hidyat. Tunggal pertama Indonesia itu mengakui dirinya kalah. ''Dia bermain sangat bagus hari ini, sehingga bisa memenangkan pertandingan,'' kata Taufik kepada wartawan seusai pertandingan.


DOHA - Kekalahan dari seteru beratnya Lin Dan tadi malam tidak terlalu disikapi serius oleh Taufik Hidyat. Tunggal pertama Indonesia itu mengakui dirinya kalah. ''Dia bermain sangat bagus hari ini, sehingga bisa memenangkan pertandingan,'' kata Taufik kepada wartawan seusai pertandingan.

Juara Indonesia Terbuka 2006 itu juga mengakui dirinya kelelahan menghadapi permainan Lin Dan yang ulet dan jarang melakukan kesalahan. ''Kali ini saya memang kalah, tapi untuk ke depan saya akan berusaha tampil lebih baik lagi,'' ungkapnya.

Dengan kekalahan itu, rekor pertemuan kedua pebulutangkis dunia itu berubah menjadi 10-9 untuk Lin Dan. ''Saya menang dalam pertandingan yang benar-benar sulit. Ini sangat membanggakan,'' kata Lin Dan.

Dia juga menilai permainan Taufik tadi malam kurang efektif, sehingga beberapa kesulitan mengatasi permainannya. ''Selama pertemuan dengan dia, mungkin saya merasa enjoy dalam pertandingan tadi. Saya bisa bermain stabil sepanjang pertandingan,'' ujarnya.

Sementara itu, Simon Santoso mengakui kemenangannya atas Chen Jin tadi malam, karena dirinya tampil menggebrak sejak menit-menit awal. Itu yang membuat dirinya bisa terus leading tanpa bisa dikejar oleh Chen Jin. ''Terbukti dia memang kelabakan,'' ungkapnya.

Simon mengaku sudah pernah bertemu Chen Jin ketika masih bertanding di kelompok junior. Saat itu skor pertemuan 1-1. Karena sudah pernah bertemu itulah Simon bisa mengatasi permainan Chen Jin.
(indopos.co.id)

[cooler]

chen jin versus santoso right now on GDSports!!!

[cooler]

MD now, china vs INA

[cooler]

wow, the guo & xie pair is amazing. A pair of stocky guys, they are quite quick and of course tons of smashing power. Took out alvin & luluk in 35 mins. Don't know why guo and xie is under cai and fu shadow.

[cooler]

simon santoso vs chen jin.

80% of points gained by simon was due to chen jin unforced errors. Chen jin seem to making lots of simple errors, easy smashes go out, not reading simon, push out, clear out, net shots just short. It seem CJ woke up on the wrong side of bed that day. Simon just need to keep the shuttle in play and CJ would give him the point. Simon overhead rear court smashes working well that day too.

[DinkAlot]

TH just cannot defend LD jump smashes:D

Then again, no one can. :p

[Baderz_Jas]

wah :eek: CJ lost to Simon :eek: sounds like he played very bad! :D :p hitting everything out! Hope he will play better for the rest of the AG :D jia you :D

[Baderz_Jas]

The Chinese ladies are too strong for the rest of the world :D :p hehe :D no chance :p so are the men (in team events :rolleyes: :p ) :)

[Baderz_Jas]

Lin Dan has won it once again, winning 17-21, 21-17, 21-16. The key is the last few points of each set...

yeah! :D Lin Dan is amazing with the last few points of each sets :p hehe :D
at least this time Taufik didn't give (from the scores :D ) :) ;)

[phaarix]

So is anyone recording any of these matches :p? Sounds like there have been a few great matches already!

Edit: Ahem never mind I should have checked the video forum first :D.

[DoublesPlayer]

NOTE: Some of the sentences don't make much sense, but I just translate it anyways.

Asian Games XV 2006 Doha, Qatar
Taufik Got Tired When Playing Against Lin Dan
By admin
SUnday, 03-Desember-2006, 11:11:40 14 klik

DOHA – The loss from his big contender Lin Dan last night wasn’t really taken seriously by Taufik Hidayat. The Indonesian first single admitted that he lost. “He played very well today, that he won the match,” said Taufik to the reporter after the match.

The 2006 Indonesian Open champion also admitted that he got tired when playing against Lin Dan who didn’t make much mistakes. “I really lost this time, but I will try to play better next time,” he said.

With the loss, the head-to-head between the two world badminton players now is 10-9 for Lin Dan. “I won that tough match. I’m very proud,” said Lin Dan.


He also thought that Taufik’s game last night wasn’t effective, as he didn’t face much difficulties winning the match. “During last night’s match, perhaps I was enjoying it. I managed to play consistently the whole time,” he said.


In the mean time, Simon Santoso admitted that his victory against Chen Jin last night was due to his aggressiveness since the beginning. That gave him the lead that couldn’t be caught by Chen Jin. “It’s proven in that match that he couldn’t do much,” he said.


Simon said that he had played Chen Jin before in junior. That time, the head-to-head was 1-1. He could win today because he played Chen Jin before in junior.
(indopos.co.id)


[quote=ctjcad]..found this article from bulutangkis.com..
Can anyone help us again in translating.(ie. indra, babonimut, DoublesPlayer, Krisna etc.)...thanks in advance-;):cool:
http://www.bulutangkis.com/mod.php?mod=publisher&op=viewarticle&artid=1152&PHPSESSID=c963cda4b198c88e310da6903adcdfae
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Asian Games XV 2006 Doha, Qatar
Taufik Kelelahan Hadang Lin Dan
Oleh admin
Minggu, 03-Desember-2006, 11:11:40 14 klik

DOHA - ........]

[ctjcad]

NOTE: Some of the sentences don't make much sense, but I just translate it anyways.

...thank you to DoublesPlayer for helping out..;):cool:

[Baderz_Jas]

thanks DoublesPlayer too :p :)