BEST final in many years

[BMcentral]

I haven't watched anything like that in many years, at least not in the final.
this game is really intense, where you see the world's best take on each other.

the 1st game is the key, since LD was beaten by LHI. this victory give the KOE squad a truck load of confidence to fight on, and they did.

If LHI did not pull out a win at the beginning, and CY/FHF won the 2nd set, then the game is probably another boring 3-nil blowout. as we see in the 3rd set, Chen Jin pretty much owned the KOE 2nd single at the end.

Thanks to LHI, we got what we've been expecting for. Thanks for both CHN and KOE team giving us such a great show...Forget about INA and MAS rivaly or LD/TH showdown, this is the type of game we want.

[2cents]

what you said was true. but where is the market for badminton? where are the fans? Badminton needs INA and MAS fans to keep it going.

Otherwise, you have to turn Chinese and Koreans into badminton fans

[bananaboy]

what you said was true. but where is the market for badminton? where are the fans? Badminton needs INA and MAS fans to keep it going.
All it takes is carrots and the donkeys will follow(if you know what I mean)...:p However, it seems hard to find the carrots for them at the moment.:p:p:p

[Dreamzz]

yup, it was a tense game for the first 4 ties, pity the fifth tie was a bit one sided with BCL dominating as expected. once PSH lost to CJ, you could pretty much tell it was over. but still interesting to watch nonetheless.

[Hitman71]

what you said was true. but where is the market for badminton? where are the fans? Badminton needs INA and MAS fans to keep it going.

Otherwise, you have to turn Chinese and Koreans into badminton fans



Errr I don't get it, are you saying that the fanbase for badminton is small in China and Korea compare to Malaysia and Indonesia ?

[pjswift]

what you said was true. but where is the market for badminton? where are the fans? Badminton needs INA and MAS fans to keep it going.

Otherwise, you have to turn Chinese and Koreans into badminton fans

Agree. You are sharp.

[pjswift]

I haven't watched anything like that in many years, at least not in the final.
this game is really intense, where you see the world's best take on each other.

the 1st game is the key, since LD was beaten by LHI. this victory give the KOE squad a truck load of confidence to fight on, and they did.

If LHI did not pull out a win at the beginning, and CY/FHF won the 2nd set, then the game is probably another boring 3-nil blowout. as we see in the 3rd set, Chen Jin pretty much owned the KOE 2nd single at the end.

Thanks to LHI, we got what we've been expecting for. Thanks for both CHN and KOE team giving us such a great show...Forget about INA and MAS rivaly
or LD/TH showdown, this is the type of game we want.

Concur that LHI was fantastic in humbling LD but it would have been tough if not for TH stretching LD in two matches before. Like the wise one said, "It's not the 21st blow that did it, but the first 20 before that set it up."
And it's not LD's lungs that gave way; it's his legs. Expect him to be prepared with extra leg armour when he next faces LHI.
Incidentally,this is probably the first time in his career he had to play three tough matches consecutively .I don't think LD ever won any title this way. At most he only had to play two tough matches to win his titles; LYB made sure of that. If LD had to play three gruelling matches in a tournament, he will not win any. (Correct me with some historical data if I'm wrong.)

[smashmouth]

Any match where LD loses is definitely a great match because LD's opponent would have had to play beyond his usual "A" game. LCW's performance in the last 3 MOs also comes to mind.

So my hat's off to you LHI for elevating your game and giving us a great show. To LD, you can't win them all, but you're still number 1.

[Shiro]

I had always wanted Lee Hyun-Il to put on some great action and he did. Good job! You beat Lin Dan!

[bananaboy]

. If LD had to play three gruelling matches in a tournament, he will not win any. (Correct me with some historical data if I'm wrong.)
AE 2006...

Quarter finals: LD vs Kenneth Jonassen
Semi finals: LD vs LCW
Finals: LD vs LHI
Winner: LD

I don't know how you define gruelling, but I guess you probably mean as long as a match does not involve 2 Chinese players play together...well, if that is the case, here you go...:p I am not going to dig through the history book, but I think I just prove you wrong.:p

[bananaboy]

LYB made sure of that. If LD had to play three gruelling matches in a tournament, he will not win any. (Correct me with some historical data if I'm wrong.)
By the way, Let me ensure you that it's not LYB that made sure LD didn't have to play hard matches along the way to victory... It's the other country's players made sure that LD didn't have hard matches... why??

1st. It's not LYB whom made the draws for tournaments.
2nd. It's not LYB telling other players to not beat his team players.
3rd. LD and LYB can't control the fact that other players such as Hafiz, Simon, LHI, KJ, and all the others whom continue in losing to the other Chinese players.
4. The other Chinese players ain't going to lose to foreigners just so LD can play some hard matches... :rolleyes:
5. So, if the other Chinese players kept winning and eliminating everyone else, and LD done his own part and made it to the finals... Was that his fault that he had to play a supposingly easy match(according to you) and win???

Only reason this situation keeps on happening is the fact that players from other countries can not deliver, and keep losing to the Chinese team.. if for example, BCL, CJ, CH, CY keeps losing to other players in early rounds, what makes you think LYB can have any sort of control over any result??? Don't blame the situation on others, take a look at what your team has to offer first.:p

[Wai Shing]

AE 2006...

Quarter finals: LD vs Kenneth Jonassen
Semi finals: LD vs LCW
Finals: LD vs LHI
Winner: LD

I don't know how you define gruelling, but I guess you probably mean as long as a match does not involve 2 Chinese players play together...well, if that is the case, here you go...:p I am not going to dig through the history book, but I think I just prove you wrong.:p
And to be exact...In the 1st round and the 2nd round, he played them both to 3 games, and they werent short matches either! They were both 80 minutes each, this was followed by another 60 minute long game in the third round against Wong Choong Hann (this was wrapped in 2 games however).
The match vs Kenneth was also 60 minutes, then the marathon vs Lee Chong Wei was 97 minutes.
Despite all of this he still crushed Lee Hyun Il who was considerably fresher, all his games were under 40 minutes except for his 3 games (70 minutes) with Peter Gade. Even then, that match was uneven throughout, score was 8-15, 15-5, 15-1...a gazillion short rallies with unforced errors from both sides.

[ctjcad]

Any match where LD loses is definitely a great match because LD's opponent would have had to play beyond his usual "A" game. LCW's performance in the last 3 MOs also comes to mind.

So my hat's off to you LHI for elevating your game and giving us a great show. To LD, you can't win them all, but you're still number 1.
...anytime where there is/are *struggles* in a match, esp. between top players, it will always bring out the best of everyone involved..Those *struggles* and how the player(s) deal with them are essentially the difference between a "so-so match" and a "great match"..;) :cool:

[yy_ling]

its been quite a while since we have those kind of exciting and nerve breaking matches that make you jump off your seat

[phaarix]

Errr I don't get it, are you saying that the fanbase for badminton is small in China and Korea compare to Malaysia and Indonesia ?

I once asked my friend from Korea (who pays Badminton casually) what Badminton was like in Korea. He said it wasn't very popular and he didn't even know of any clubs around where he lived (he'd just gone back home from New Zealand a few months ago). That's pretty surprising to me considering how strong Korea is in Badminton.

I have no idea how true that is, but it's what my friend tells me at least...

[event]

I once asked my friend from Korea (who pays Badminton casually) what Badminton was like in Korea. He said it wasn't very popular and he didn't even know of any clubs around where he lived (he'd just gone back home from New Zealand a few months ago). That's pretty surprising to me considering how strong Korea is in Badminton.

I have no idea how true that is, but it's what my friend tells me at least...I can assure you that there are far more people who are unaware that they live near gyms where badminton clubs play than there are people who don't live near badminton gyms. There are gyms everywhere and dedicated badminton-only gyms, while a relatively new phenomenon, are becoming very common.

Having said that, the popularity among players has not yet translated into large-scale interest in the professional circuit. Things are changing there too, though.

[Baderz_Jas]

its been quite a while since we have those kind of exciting and nerve breaking matches that make you jump off your seat

agree! :D :p I thought it was going to be a 3-0 win for China,
in the end, 3-2 :eek:

I must get the video of the Final! :D To see how LD lost :crying: :D :p lol :D

[phaarix]

I can assure you that there are far more people who are unaware that they live near gyms where badminton clubs play than there are people who don't live near badminton gyms. There are gyms everywhere and dedicated badminton-only gyms, while a relatively new phenomenon, are becoming very common.

Having said that, the popularity among players has not yet translated into large-scale interest in the professional circuit. Things are changing there too, though.

Ah that's good to hear. Yeah I thought that may be the case. I just couldn't understand how after being told by him of the supposed state of Korean Badminton, that the team could be so strong! Thanks for clearing that up :).

[Felicia_txh]

I agree...!!tat means korea player had improve a lot especially LHI...congratulate them...he beat LCW n LD...it was amazing...:eek:he wil become a well-known after tis..maybe...

[yy_ling]

remember the china masters 2006 semi final, peter gade VS lin dan, that one was incredible, both players played to their full and its was really a close game, lindan pounce on peter's drop several times but i dunno how peter lifted it to the back, in the end peter won, what a breakthrough

[Baderz_Jas]

remember the china masters 2006 semi final, peter gade VS lin dan, that one was incredible, both players played to their full and its was really a close game, lindan pounce on peter's drop several times but i dunno how peter lifted it to the back, in the end peter won, what a breakthrough

:cool: Actually, I didn't think played that well against PG that time :p I thought he looked slower in that match :rolleyes: but credits to PG for winning it ;) :) after that, LD will never lose to PG! :D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

[bananaboy]

:cool: Actually, I didn't think played that well against PG that time :p I thought he looked slower in that match :rolleyes: but credits to PG for winning it ;) :) after that, LD will never lose to PG! :D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D

Peter Gade will beat Lin Dan at least one more time someday... Mark my words:cool::D:D I hope Gade will win the match with his special deceptive net shot...hahaha...:p

[event]

I just couldn't understand how after being told by him of the supposed state of Korean Badminton, that the team could be so strong! Thanks for clearing that up.I hope I didn't give the wrong impression. While there are now many recreational players, this is completely irrelevant to the quality of the nation's elite players. As evidence, consider that there was next to no recreational interest and few indoor clubs when Park Joo-bong started winning international tournaments in the early 1980s. Probably over 90% of recreational players took up the game at around age 30. If anything it is the success of the elite system that feeds the recreational game by providing top-notch coaches to the nation's clubs. There is very little impact the other way around. The increasing number of recreational players means more revenue for sponsors such as Yonex and Victor but that is only beginning to be significant and does not account for the historical quality of the Korean team.

[Han]

Peter Gade will beat Lin Dan at least one more time someday... Mark my words:cool::D:D I hope Gade will win the match with his special deceptive net shot...hahaha...:p
Yes, that will happen in Copenhagen Master the end of this month where winning/losing does not have any impact on the world ranking :-) Peter will beat Lin Dan in round robin and lose to Lee Chong Wei in the Final :D

[2cents]

Yes, that will happen in Copenhagen Master the end of this month where winning/losing does not have any impact on the world ranking :-) Peter will beat Lin Dan in round robin and lose to Lee Chong Wei in the Final :D

You don't know the facts or you just distort it on purpose. The winner between Lindan, KJ and Roslin will meeting the winner between LCW, PG, and Simon in the final.

So if you predict Peter beat Lindan in the final, then LCW must have already lost to Peter.

[pjswift]

Any match where LD loses is definitely a great match because LD's opponent would have had to play beyond his usual "A" game. LCW's performance in the last 3 MOs also comes to mind.

So my hat's off to you LHI for elevating your game and giving us a great show. To LD, you can't win them all, but you're still number 1.

Not so sure here.Would you call the LD vs TH WC and SO finals great matches? LD lost pathetically;there was no fight at all. And it wasn't cos of exhaustion(in WC as claimed by some) for LD had a normal route in the SO. LD lost out of sheer fear of TH. But the good news is LD no longer fear TH so, yes, you are right when you refer to matches after the losses to TH.

[pjswift]

AE 2006...

Quarter finals: LD vs Kenneth Jonassen
Semi finals: LD vs LCW
Finals: LD vs LHI
Winner: LD

I don't know how you define gruelling, but I guess you probably mean as long as a match does not involve 2 Chinese players play together...well, if that is the case, here you go...:p I am not going to dig through the history book, but I think I just prove you wrong.:p

Yes, I remember this .The semis were so good they made the final look so bad.Gruelling means very tiring, very exhausting.The QF and SF were gruelling but not the final.Both LD and LHI were so half dead (actually LHI was already spent by PG but he won the semi cos he was very smart;he tricked PG into many errors.) the final turned out lame.But credit to LD on this one. Altho he was unusually bandaged up, he managed to outlast LHI.Sheer courage and determination.I used to be a LD fan. I thought I would be a LD fan again but no, it did not change my mind. But I'm happy LD is playing at a higher level now, thanks to LCW.
However, I'll modify it a bit to : If LD meets three top 16 players consecutively, he will lose the third match. Yes, now you 've proven me wrong altho' it will probably be the only one.
But the 'gruelling' challenge remains to be seen.

[pjswift]

By the way, Let me ensure you that it's not LYB that made sure LD didn't have to play hard matches along the way to victory... It's the other country's players made sure that LD didn't have hard matches... why??

1st. It's not LYB whom made the draws for tournaments.
2nd. It's not LYB telling other players to not beat his team players.
3rd. LD and LYB can't control the fact that other players such as Hafiz, Simon, LHI, KJ, and all the others whom continue in losing to the other Chinese players.
4. The other Chinese players ain't going to lose to foreigners just so LD can play some hard matches... :rolleyes:
5. So, if the other Chinese players kept winning and eliminating everyone else, and LD done his own part and made it to the finals... Was that his fault that he had to play a supposingly easy match(according to you) and win???

Only reason this situation keeps on happening is the fact that players from other countries can not deliver, and keep losing to the Chinese team.. if for example, BCL, CJ, CH, CY keeps losing to other players in early rounds, what makes you think LYB can have any sort of control over any result??? Don't blame the situation on others, take a look at what your team has to offer first.:p

LYB made sure of that. Let me give you some examples.
1. CH losing to LD by giving him a Walkover(!) in MO 05 QF.
2. Fake match with CJ losing to LD in MO06 SF
3. Fake match with CJ losing to LD in TPO 06 SF
etc ,there are many more examples . Just pore through the history of LD titles. Embark on this journey of discovery and see if you will emerge still a LD fan.Be brave.

[phaarix]

I hope I didn't give the wrong impression. While there are now many recreational players, this is completely irrelevant to the quality of the nation's elite players. As evidence, consider that there was next to no recreational interest and few indoor clubs when Park Joo-bong started winning international tournaments in the early 1980s. Probably over 90% of recreational players took up the game at around age 30. If anything it is the success of the elite system that feeds the recreational game by providing top-notch coaches to the nation's clubs. There is very little impact the other way around. The increasing number of recreational players means more revenue for sponsors such as Yonex and Victor but that is only beginning to be significant and does not account for the historical quality of the Korean team.

Ah I see. Then it sure is a great thing that they have done so well at this AG (considering how almost "unbeatable" China is currently) :). Did it get much coverage in Korea (the team silver)?

[deca2000]

You forget Taufik. I do not know how and when TH got hooked up with LYB. But it is so obvious that LYB arranged him to give several matches to LD so that LD could save some energy. I am so fed up with such fake matches.


LYB made sure of that. Let me give you some examples.
1. CH losing to LD by giving him a Walkover(!) in MO 05 QF.
2. Fake match with CJ losing to LD in MO06 SF
3. Fake match with CJ losing to LD in TPO 06 SF
etc ,there are many more examples . Just pore through the history of LD titles. Embark on this journey of discovery and see if you will emerge still a LD fan.Be brave.

[woodenRacket]

LYB made sure of that. Let me give you some examples.
1. CH losing to LD by giving him a Walkover(!) in MO 05 QF.
2. Fake match with CJ losing to LD in MO06 SF
3. Fake match with CJ losing to LD in TPO 06 SF
etc ,there are many more examples . Just pore through the history of LD titles. Embark on this journey of discovery and see if you will emerge still a LD fan.Be brave.

and you forgot to mention PG.
LYB asked PG to keep losing to LD so that LD can grasp the title.
and LCW also. so that LD can get the MO, TWO and HKO.

what's the logic: if someone beats his teammate, that is a surely fake match?

what about KJ? he always loses to PG in almost every game. prearranged also?

[_MyST_Spring]

You forget Taufik. I do not know how and when TH got hooked up with LYB. But it is so obvious that LYB arranged him to give several matches to LD so that LD could save some energy. I am so fed up with such fake matches.

:D great said...

[yy_ling]

lol but still that match was exciting no matter whether or not Peter wil beat Lin Dan again

[Baderz_Jas]

Peter Gade will beat Lin Dan at least one more time someday... Mark my words:cool::D:D I hope Gade will win the match with his special deceptive net shot...hahaha...:p

I think he's too old now :p sorry ;) :( his deceptive net shot? The one when he hit a backhand crosscourt netshot under his arm :rolleyes: :D

sorry, I'll have no more off-topic posts in this thread :D

[erin_hakkinen]

Yes, that will happen in Copenhagen Master the end of this month where winning/losing does not have any impact on the world ranking :-) Peter will beat Lin Dan in round robin and lose to Lee Chong Wei in the Final :D

Wah! I like that! Amen.. :D

[erin_hakkinen]

You don't know the facts or you just distort it on purpose. The winner between Lindan, KJ and Roslin will meeting the winner between LCW, PG, and Simon in the final.

So if you predict Peter beat Lindan in the final, then LCW must have already lost to Peter.

Oops! Didn't see this one. Sorry! :p

[bananaboy]

LYB made sure of that. Let me give you some examples.
1. CH losing to LD by giving him a Walkover(!) in MO 05 QF.
2. Fake match with CJ losing to LD in MO06 SF
3. Fake match with CJ losing to LD in TPO 06 SF
etc ,there are many more examples . Just pore through the history of LD titles. Embark on this journey of discovery and see if you will emerge still a LD fan.Be brave.
You don't understand, do you...

Using your examples:

IF CH, CJ's opponents beat them prior to their meeting with LD, then could LYB have done anything about the match results??? I highly doubt it, but CH, CJ's opponents could not do it in the first place... so is it LD's fault that he once again got to play his teammates, and LYB possibly had control over the match results???

It's not LD's fault that he always get to play his own teammates, when other countries' players are helpless against them.. instead of complaining so much about LYB controlling results of matches, try beating his players so there will never be another CHN vs CHN semi, or finals...:eek::p

By the way, Taufik gave LD more walkover then anyone else...
1.HKO 06
2. world cup 06

so does LYB has something to do with it??? Taufik afraid of LYB "breaks his legs"???

[bananaboy]

I think he's too old now :p sorry ;) :( his deceptive net shot? The one when he hit a backhand crosscourt netshot under his arm :rolleyes: :D

sorry, I'll have no more off-topic posts in this thread :D

I am just joking about that it... not like LD is going to be fooled by it unless he gets totally frustrated or something...:p