Until this morning, everything seems perfect for the CHN team, Everyone advanced to the latest stage. All mixed doubles even cruised to the semifinal. Then suddenly, it is Taufik found the weakest link of CHN team, he beat Bao CL in 2 sets, which brought up the collapse of the whole team.

Xie XF almost lost, not enough, then Zhang Ning lost in just 2 sets. not enough, both men's doubles lost. Exactly as I posted before, if someone beat one CHN players, then there will be a big collapse in CHN's defense.

Tomorrow, CHN can be regrouped if they can heal the wound quickly, all of them could be advanced to the next round, this is more than 50% chance, or they will suffer more loses, not just 1.

If you look at the past Asian games, Chinese didn't seem to have much success compared to TC/UC/WC. They didn't win any men individual event in 2002, and only have a bronze in the team event. Not sure if they don't care much about the Asian games and not well-prepared, or the players are tired or burned out after a long season.

Agree with your assessment. Anyway, ZN losing is no big deal. Of late she has not been performing that well, either. China has never done a clean sweep where Asian Games is concerned.

Zhang Ning had done more than enough for China. The Chinese team should have blooded more young players in AG. And use Zhu Lin in the individual events, 'cos I think she has better mental capacity than Xie Xingfang.

Precisely...ZL, WYH are two of the many upcoming players. But maybe China wants to let ZN go out with a medal. But I think whatever it is, the younger players will be coming more into the international picture after this. ZN has had a very good and illustrious badminton career.

But the two china MD are still not consistent...Just like Fu/Cai...Their skills are very good and i though they would play at least rubber set with the mas pair as other MD all play till rubber set...I don't expect they lose easily...

China has sucess in usual tournaments like all england thomas cup etc. but when it comes to such big events they seem to play badly

Agree with your assessment. Anyway, ZN losing is no big deal. Of late she has not been performing that well, either. China has never done a clean sweep where Asian Games is concerned.

I remember China almost clean swept all golds when it first joined the Asian Games in 70s. China grabbed all golds except 1 in badminton. After that, also did pretty good, might swept all golds in 1990, not sure here. Only after Lee YongBo took in charge the national team, China haven't done well. I think there are two reasons; 1st, because China is so dominant in the Asian Games in every sports, always grabs half of the total golds, 150 golds to 200 golds ??, so it doesn't need golds that much. Lee YB also admitted that every time his boss never gave him any task in Asian Games. So the second reason China did poor after LYB, is that since there was no target, so LYB and his team never took it seriously. They may take it a little bit seriously this time. But not before, Last time, they even did not use Lin Dan, (was number 1 that time) in the single events, not use Bao CL (number 3) either. But on WC and OG, especially Olympics, there is a strict task for LYB to take at least 2 golds. Otherwise he would be fired. So that's the difference. Because in OG, China needs the golds to compete with the US and Russia

But the two china MD are still not consistent...Just like Fu/Cai...Their skills are very good and i though they would play at least rubber set with the mas pair as other MD all play till rubber set...I don't expect they lose easily... i totally agree with this statement. the chinese teams MD is extremely inconsistent. some tournaments they play amazing, others they are mediocre. stating the obvious: china's weakest link by far is MD. i dont think there are any up and coming MD teams from china. they should start investing now...

But the two china MD are still not consistent...Just like Fu/Cai...Their skills are very good and i though they would play at least rubber set with the mas pair as other MD all play till rubber set...I don't expect they lose easily...

FU/CAi have always been in trouble when facing Malaysian pairs, particularly KKK/Chan or KKK/anyone...so it is the KKK factor....

Personally, I prefer Markis/Hendra vs Fu/Cai to these Malaysian pair. Fu/Cai are easy to defeat:D

KKK is just like Tony..He is very dangerous!!!!

My heart always jumps up and down when Ina pairs meet KKK pairs...:)

SInce KKK is not paired with CCM, I think Markis/Hendra will be able to handle them....But seriously, KKK/CCM is the most dangerous doubles players:)

Who knows???Anything could happens now...But KKK is really a great player...TBH is also not bad but still lack of experience...But no matter what the results is,they are already very good coz Fu/Cai is a good and experience pair but they can beat them easily...This is already a great achievement for the younger pair...

FU/CAi have always been in trouble when facing Malaysian pairs, particularly KKK/Chan or KKK/anyone...so it is the KKK factor....

Personally, I prefer Markis/Hendra vs Fu/Cai to these Malaysian pair. Fu/Cai are easy to defeat:D

KKK is just like Tony..He is very dangerous!!!!

My heart always jumps up and down when Ina pairs meet KKK pairs...:)

SInce KKK is not paired with CCM, I think Markis/Hendra will be able to handle them....But seriously, KKK/CCM is the most dangerous doubles players:)


May the best pair win. HEhehe..

BTW talking about CHN collapse. Now the pressure is more towards Lin Dan. I hope he will not buckle under pressure. Taufik definately is going to take advantage of the situation. Its the psycological battle now.

May the best pair win. HEhehe..

BTW talking about CHN collapse. Now the pressure is more towards Lin Dan. I hope he will not buckle under pressure. Taufik definately is going to take advantage of the situation. Its the psycological battle now.

LD handled it well in JO. Except this time he's facing a cool LHI in magnificent form who just blew Hafiz away in the QF.

i totally agree with this statement. the chinese teams MD is extremely inconsistent. some tournaments they play amazing, others they are mediocre. stating the obvious: china's weakest link by far is MD. i dont think there are any up and coming MD teams from china. they should start investing now...

Chinese MD have only in the recent years been a threat to the rest. Earlier on they always depended on the strengths of their MS. And if other teams could get a point from their MS they would usually be able to beat China in those days.

Many people here pointed out that China players played better in open tournaments, and wondering why. Here is the answer from Xie XF.

She said, she felt like in jail in AG. She cannot go anywhere except the dormitory and stadium. She felt depressed everyday facing the wall in the small room, having nothing to do. That's the reason she dislikes AG so much. Usually in open tournament, she can go anywhere, touring the city, eat out with Lin Dan. But in AG, no quality food, no fun, no freedom...

But the two china MD are still not consistent...Just like Fu/Cai...Their skills are very good and i though they would play at least rubber set with the mas pair as other MD all play till rubber set...I don't expect they lose easily...

Fu/Cai don't have much skill for a top pair. They win on speed. They don't know how to play otherwise. If you can slow them down, they will get confused. If you get dragged into their speed game, you lose double-time.

Maybe Li Yongbo should ask his old partner Tian Bingyi to take over MD department. Bingyi did well for WD, now WD world top 4 pairs are all Chinese.

Until this morning, everything seems perfect for the CHN team, Everyone advanced to the latest stage. All mixed doubles even cruised to the semifinal. Then suddenly, it is Taufik found the weakest link of CHN team, he beat Bao CL in 2 sets, which brought up the collapse of the whole team.
Agree with your assessment. Anyway, ZN losing is no big deal. Of late she has not been performing that well, either. China has never done a clean sweep where Asian Games is concerned.
..i've mentioned earlier before the AG started that winning all 7 golds in the Badminton event is out of this world, nearly impossible to achieve. I don't recall whether CHN mentioned their goal was to sweep all 7 golds or not.
I think this AG is the most demanding tournament i've encountered. Imagine, having to play BOTH Team and Individual events, with the same amount no of players over roughly 10 days of competition. I mean, where else do we see that in professional badminton. Not in reg. Olympics, not TC/UC nor Sudirman Cup(both comes closest).
Anyways, re ZN's lost, i think YPY was just quicker to or more aware of the shuttle(as i saw brief clips of their match). ZN seemed to "coast" a bit thruout the match.

Chinese MD have only in the recent years been a threat to the rest. Earlier on they always depended on the strengths of their MS. And if other teams could get a point from their MS they would usually be able to beat China in those days.
in the last couple of years, there are no chinese md teams that pop into mind (other than fu/cai)

possibily sang yang and zheng bo but that's kinda iffy...

Fu/Cai don't have much skill for a top pair. They win on speed. They don't know how to play otherwise. If you can slow them down, they will get confused. If you get dragged into their speed game, you lose double-time.

Bingo...I think Rexy and Ko Herry have realised the "trick" of playing against Fu/Cai. That's why Fu/Cai lost to Kido/Hendra (twice), Fairuz/Lin, and now KKK/TBH in the space of just a month :eek:

Other pairs are still struggling to play against Fu/Cai.

I think the same argument follows for Kido/Hendra as well. They still have to learn to play against willy veteran pairs like Tony/Candra and Clark/Blair; two pairs which they have lost to twice this year.

My heart always jumps up and down when Ina pairs meet KKK pairs...:)
..hehe, i(we) know your heart beats go up a few more notches when the INA players come on court..Probably even before they play, your heart is already pounding..:rolleyes: :p :D ;)

no matter how iffy...if they're in the top 10, still means they are good, I mean for Cai/Fu. Other pairs may have the 'skill', that's their advantage. If for this pair it's speed, then that's their strength. Of course there're a few exceptions like Gunawan/Wijaya combination. Probably for the MD, the gap among the nations are not that big, hence the win-lose situations, unlike the WS/WD where China seems to dominate quite clearly. Anyway, no pair can win all the time, can they?? :)


in the last couple of years, there are no chinese md teams that pop into mind (other than fu/cai)

possibily sang yang and zheng bo but that's kinda iffy...

Fu/Cai don't have much skill for a top pair. They win on speed. They don't know how to play otherwise. If you can slow them down, they will get confused. If you get dragged into their speed game, you lose double-time.
Exactly, KKK/TBH won over them because they try to slow down their speed and avoid them from making too much smashes. They get confused when the opponent change the tactics. And eventually make a lot of silly mistakes. :D :D

no matter how iffy...if they're in the top 10, still means they are good, I mean for Cai/Fu. Other pairs may have the 'skill', that's their advantage. If for this pair it's speed, then that's their strength. Of course there're a few exceptions like Gunawan/Wijaya combination. Probably for the MD, the gap among the nations are not that big, hence the win-lose situations, unlike the WS/WD where China seems to dominate quite clearly. Anyway, no pair can win all the time, can they?? :) you cant say that china has began to become a threat in MD's when they have only had 2 teams in the top 10 in the last 3 years

Bingo...I think Rexy and Ko Herry have realised the "trick" of playing against Fu/Cai. That's why Fu/Cai lost to Kido/Hendra (twice), Fairuz/Lin, and now KKK/TBH in the space of just a month :eek:

Other pairs are still struggling to play against Fu/Cai.

I think the same argument follows for Kido/Hendra as well. They still have to learn to play against willy veteran pairs like Tony/Candra and Clark/Blair; two pairs which they have lost to twice this year. that isnt exactly true, fu/cai didnt exactly use their speed in the WC2006 when they faced off against eriksen/lundgaard in the semis. they tried to, but the danish pair actually contained them pretty well, not letting fu get that big smash away. usually when fu gets that smash away, the chinese attack is really hard to stop

The Fu/Cai pair only have speed and strength, which are quite crucial in the 21 points system. However, they never give me the 'visual pleasure' when I watch them play. I still prefer Tony Gunawan/Chandra Wijaya, Sigit/Chandra Wijaya and Rexy/Ricky these three Indonesia pairs. They are really talented double players, who can entertain the audience and yet deliver good results.

It's a little early to annouce the collapse of the Great Wall as China may still end up taking 4 out of 5 badminton titles in Asian Games. No one is going to remember how scary team China come close to colllapse after China win most of the golds. Only MD has no representative from china, what collapse are we talking about? The only reason we have other nations in the Semi is becasue each country only allows 2 players/pairs per event else ... Don't you think so?

It's a little early to annouce the collapse of the Great Wall as China may still end up taking 4 out of 5 badminton titles in Asian Games. No one is going to remember how scary team China come close to colllapse after China win most of the golds. Only MD has no representative from china, what collapse are we talking about? The only reason we have other nations in the Semi is becasue each country only allows 2 players/pairs per event else ... Don't you think so?

Agree 120%.................

It's a little early to annouce the collapse of the Great Wall as China may still end up taking 4 out of 5 badminton titles in Asian Games. No one is going to remember how scary team China come close to colllapse after China win most of the golds. Only MD has no representative from china, what collapse are we talking about? The only reason we have other nations in the Semi is becasue each country only allows 2 players/pairs per event else ... Don't you think so?

That reason would be true if CHN had fielded their lowest ranks. Is CHN fielding their top 2s for every event?

Many people here pointed out that China players played better in open tournaments, and wondering why. Here is the answer from Xie XF.

She said, she felt like in jail in AG. She cannot go anywhere except the dormitory and stadium. She felt depressed everyday facing the wall in the small room, having nothing to do. That's the reason she dislikes AG so much. Usually in open tournament, she can go anywhere, touring the city, eat out with Lin Dan. But in AG, no quality food, no fun, no freedom...

that's an excuse!!!

hahaha...
look like great wall of chn will get sink...
juz like their real great wall which are not GREAT now...
but...
i think they can still covered it with some good results today...
for now we can juz say their wall get cracked...
if there are onli 1 left for final...
then there will be millions of question for LYB...

That reason would be true if CHN had fielded their lowest ranks. Is CHN fielding their top 2s for every event?
They are among the top players from China but I am not sure whether they are the top two for every event. At least not for MS and XD in terms of IBF ranking . BCL is not China's number two player while Zheng Bo/Gao Ling is a scratch combination.

Many people here pointed out that China players played better in open tournaments, and wondering why. Here is the answer from Xie XF.

She said, she felt like in jail in AG. She cannot go anywhere except the dormitory and stadium. She felt depressed everyday facing the wall in the small room, having nothing to do. That's the reason she dislikes AG so much. Usually in open tournament, she can go anywhere, touring the city, eat out with Lin Dan. But in AG, no quality food, no fun, no freedom...

And why is this an excuse for loosing? :confused: Do the players from other countries have good food, freedom, tour the city etc. except Chinese players?!? Are there discrimination from the Asian Games organizers against Chinese players? Or is it LYB who made restrictions for just the Chinese players? If so, then it is LYB's fault, not the Asian Games! ;)

It's a little early to annouce the collapse of the Great Wall as China may still end up taking 4 out of 5 badminton titles in Asian Games. No one is going to remember how scary team China come close to colllapse after China win most of the golds. Only MD has no representative from china, what collapse are we talking about? The only reason we have other nations in the Semi is becasue each country only allows 2 players/pairs per event else ... Don't you think so?

Out of the 7 gold medals that are available from Asian Games badminton, China already got two and can get four more with 2 days to go... Not much of a collapse... :cool:

My prediction... China will get three more... from WS, WD, and XD. Indonesia will get the other two. Indonesia and China are the truly the two superpowers of badminton! With tons of badminton playing population, it is a natural consequence... If India joins the fun, then we shall have another superpower... I wish Rexy will just go there and stop making Malaysia stronger... :p

Out of the 7 gold medals that are available from Asian Games badminton, China already got two and can get four more with 2 days to go... Not much of a collapse... :cool:

My prediction... China will get three more... from WS, WD, and XD. Indonesia will get the other two. Indonesia and China are the truly the two superpowers of badminton! With tons of badminton playing population, it is a natural consequence... If India joins the fun, then we shall have another superpower... I wish Rexy will just go there and stop making Malaysia stronger... :p
wah..
how can u say like tat...
why dun call ur indonesia coach go there....
something went wrong with ur mind leh....
ppl become stronger also non of ur business la...
so jealousy...

wah..
how can u say like tat...
why dun call ur indonesia coach go there....
something went wrong with ur mind leh....
ppl become stronger also non of ur business la...
so jealousy...

No no nothing wrong with my mind, nwy5633. Oh, by the way, I am Indonesian. Rexy is Indonesian and an Indonesian National Badminton hero. He is very capable. Thus, as a professional coach now, he is helping Malaysia a lot. By helping Malaysia win, that means he will also make Indonesia loose... It does not feel good when your National hero is helping another country that can actually beat you...

Imagine Lee Chong Wei coaching the Indonesian singles team very very hard to beat Malaysia. His success means Malaysia's defeat. As a Malaysian badminton fan, is that a good feeling?!? Wouldn't you prefer Lee Chong Wei just coach Bulgaria or Canada or something with high pay. He makes money, yet do not actually have to destroy Malaysia to be considered performing well.

Thus, I was hoping Rexy would not only threaten to quit, but actually quit from Malaysia. Help some other countries that need its badminton strength to grow, but will not actually can beat Indonesia yet... :)

Point taken..but then again, in the last 3 years also, what other country has 2 or more teams in the top 10 consistently?? I think as long as any player / team is in the top 10 that is enough to indicate that they are player/s to be reckoned. Anyway, it is also good that China doesn't dominate the doubles. Then badminton would be no fun cos both men and women would be dominated by one country. That would be very sad...:crying:

you cant say that china has began to become a threat in MD's when they have only had 2 teams in the top 10 in the last 3 years

Agree 120%.................

not agree (until tomorrow .. ;) ;) ;) ;) )

hey guys, Tan Kim Her is coching Korean MD too.
We didn't said anything.

hey guys, Tan Kim Her is coching Korean MD too.
We didn't said anything.

Ya ya, agree wf u! What's wrong coaching other country if they give u good pay? Btw, i m proud of Tan Kim Her coz MD under his coaching performs superbly, this is oso kinda "Malaysia Boleh", isn't it? Juz like gymnastic, Ng Shu Wei grabbed his silver medal yesterday n chn media called it "a China made M'sian gymnast". U think everybody like LYB, finger pointing Zhou Mi juz bcoz of she came to M'sia n trained 2gether wf WMC for only 1 mth? Hahaha...:D

hey guys, Tan Kim Her is coching Korean MD too.
We didn't said anything.

Yalor, agree with u ....Badminton is just a sport, why should we take it too hard until become jealous ler....

China never did well in AG, but they should have done well :crying: FHF/CY lost in QF :eek: :( no more MDs! I'm very suprised with the lost of ZN :cool: :p now LYB can't get a clean sweep, 1 MISSING :eek: :crying: :D :p ;)

But the two china MD are still not consistent...Just like Fu/Cai...Their skills are very good and i though they would play at least rubber set with the mas pair as other MD all play till rubber set...I don't expect they lose easily...

agree too :crying: maybe they are jinxed (right spelling :confused:) like all the other MD pairs who won WC :p :D but they are inconsistent most of the time :D :p hehe :D

No matter how dominate a player or a team is, they are not god. Therefore, more or less, they might be on the losing end as well. There's no surprise, what so ever.

Even though, CHN team hit some bumps in the previous day, but overall speaking, they are still way dominating as a group. If all the competition (including opens) never limit the entries, we might see a flow of red army every single time already. :rolleyes:

No matter how dominate a player or a team is, they are not god. Therefore, more or less, they might be on the losing end as well. There's no surprise, what so ever.

Even though, CHN team hit some bumps in the previous day, but overall speaking, they are still way dominating as a group. If all the competition (including opens) never limit the entries, we might see a flow of red army every single time already. :rolleyes:

I agree with you as well :p :D they are human after all :D lol :rolleyes: they have to have their bad days, rite :rolleyes: :D

No no nothing wrong with my mind, nwy5633. Oh, by the way, I am Indonesian. Rexy is Indonesian and an Indonesian National Badminton hero. He is very capable. Thus, as a professional coach now, he is helping Malaysia a lot. By helping Malaysia win, that means he will also make Indonesia loose... It does not feel good when your National hero is helping another country that can actually beat you...

Imagine Lee Chong Wei coaching the Indonesian singles team very very hard to beat Malaysia. His success means Malaysia's defeat. As a Malaysian badminton fan, is that a good feeling?!? Wouldn't you prefer Lee Chong Wei just coach Bulgaria or Canada or something with high pay. He makes money, yet do not actually have to destroy Malaysia to be considered performing well.

Thus, I was hoping Rexy would not only threaten to quit, but actually quit from Malaysia. Help some other countries that need its badminton strength to grow, but will not actually can beat Indonesia yet... :)


Why worry so much? What makes a true champion? Malaysia has tried many world-class coaches, like Frost, Yang Yang, Han Jian, Rexy and Li Mao, but they hardly bring champions home. Will Indonesia become stronger than China if they have coaches like Frost, Yang Yang, Han Jian, Rexy and Li Mao? I don't think so.
Rexy has done enough for Indonesia. Indonesia should find out what is going wrong within their own team instead of asking Rexy to quit Malaysia.