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2cents

12-08-2006, 08:22 AM

2cents

12-08-2006, 08:31 AM

Today is CHN's regrouping day. Lin Dan did superb revenge. and mixed doubles did excellent job, claimed both gold and silver already! The only thing left is Xie vs Wang. Xie lost to Wang in the national championship. and Wang is in excellent form right now. It should be a 50%-50% match.

Chire

12-08-2006, 08:36 AM

Lin Dan is unarguably the most dominant men's sinlges player at the moment. He showed us quite a performance and proved that he's world no. 1 for a reason.

bic33

12-08-2006, 08:43 AM

Jessica

12-08-2006, 08:45 AM

Well...He is really a great player until now...I think he will continue dominated it until a few more years...So,well done...

bananaboy

12-08-2006, 08:49 AM

Lin Dan definitely proved that he is the best there is in the present era... so dominant.:D:D Credits go to him for unbelievable performance today.

Also, I like to give some credits to Hafiz for his wisdom in his match against LHI yesterday. Hafiz must have figure that instead of getting beat by LD for the 4th or 5th times this year, it is better for him(in terms of confidence) to let LD unleash his anger on LHI, so Hafiz decided to throw away his "11" match points when the score was Hafiz 20-9 LHI... then gave up the 2nd game... He is a genius.. or else it would have been LD whooping Hafiz's butt instead of LHI's:rolleyes:.:p

bic33

12-08-2006, 08:58 AM

ssuly

12-08-2006, 09:22 AM

Lin Dan is back so strong! 21:3 win over Lee HI, and one point Lee got was a service fault. So it should be 21:2 What a great job!

When we heard about excuses and promises, most of them are garbage. After Thomas cup, Taufik promised win in World championship, he didn't deliver. After WC, Taufik promised AG, he failed again in the team events. So the individual event now is the only one left to test whether What Taufik said is just opposite or random (this becomes the best for Taufik). Since Taufik keeps losing, so his excuses should not be heard any more.

While Lin Dan promised to win back over Lee HI in the individual event, now he DID, and did so convincingly, and so wonderfully. Great job! Lin Dan, my hats off to you. Your losing record in the team events becomes nothing now.
2cents, TH promised his country, fans, or his loved ones is just to show how greatly motivated he is... how much he wants to fulfill their hopes by putting even more burden on his shoulders. what TH really wants to say is this: "Don't worry everyone (his country, fans, loved ones), I'll die on court if I must.. so I won't let u down".
TH did lose but he lost honorably by fighting till the end at WC and AG. Although TH might lose again vs LD in the final, we still have to greatly respect him if he did his best to fulfill his and his fans hope.

what do you mean by "his excuses should not be heard any more"?:( some TH's fans do find excuses.. not him.;)

I'm fully understand that you are proud of your great hero Lin Dan, but you also have to respect others.

bananaboy

12-08-2006, 09:27 AM

kenny7_2006

12-08-2006, 09:34 AM

Funny, i was just back from somewhere, and i asked me friend, wat was the score, and he said 21-3, 21-10, and i just stared at him, thinking that he pulled my leg...

Turns out he was true when i checked the official score.... that must be incredible! too bad i dodnt see the match... here's hoping for a replay...

Lin Dan is truly one heck of a talent, a freak of a talent... i mean, he is simply good, but he does have his off-days and weaknesses....

ssuly

12-08-2006, 09:36 AM

From previous encounters... as soon as ssuly joins in a thread... that thread won't last for 2 days and will likely to be locked...

Good bye to another fun thread.:(

By the way, please don't give us another lecture of your facts vs opinions, talents vs hard work, or anything else for that matter. They are not for the ordinary people as only the surpreme ones like yourself can ever understand.:rolleyes:

bananaboy, I'm really sorry if that's what happening so far. I just hope that in the future we will have a great pleasant discussion with everyone respecting others and no one gets hurt. however, a little sacrifice might be needed...:(

one more thing, don't call me supreme or anything as I'm just one of you guys who enjoy badminton so much!:D

Baderz_Jas

12-08-2006, 09:37 AM

MY HERO!!! :D he is awesome of course :D the BEST :D I knew he was gona "FIX" LHI :p lol :D only 3 in the 1st set :eek: :D

anfan2000

12-08-2006, 09:42 AM

Lin win over Lee H i 21-3 to my great surprise.This guy is awesome...

Krisna

12-08-2006, 11:59 AM

Taufik never promised he will bring gold Indonesia... He will just try his best to win gold for our country. [It is also good for the political career of his father in law]. :D

ye333

12-08-2006, 12:23 PM

Obviously LHI enjoyed his win over LD too much. Maybe he really thought he could beat LD consistently if he did things correctly LOL. It turned out this time LD is well well prepared and LHI made way too many mistakes.

So, in the team event, LHI is well prepared and in excellent form, LD didn't treat LHI seriouly, so LHI ++ >= LD -. Now things change. LD did good preparation and LHI lost in his false confidence. So LD + >> LHI -.

Simple math. Eh? :D
Funny, i was just back from somewhere, and i asked me friend, wat was the score, and he said 21-3, 21-10, and i just stared at him, thinking that he pulled my leg...

Turns out he was true when i checked the official score.... that must be incredible! too bad i dodnt see the match... here's hoping for a replay...

Lin Dan is truly one heck of a talent, a freak of a talent... i mean, he is simply good, but he does have his off-days and weaknesses....

ye333

12-08-2006, 12:29 PM

Man I think you are too harsh to Taufik. He has improve much since Thomas cup. He has already been able to beat good players like BCL and LCW convincingly. I would say hats off to the great effort Taufik made to come back -- it's like coming back after half year's retirement or injury. That's hard.

Taufik has already proved that when motivated, he can come back. Is he really a playboy?

Lin Dan is back so strong! 21:3 win over Lee HI, and one point Lee got was a service fault. So it should be 21:2 What a great job!

When we heard about excuses and promises, most of them are garbage. After Thomas cup, Taufik promised win in World championship, he didn't deliver. After WC, Taufik promised AG, he failed again in the team events. So the individual event now is the only one left to test whether What Taufik said is just opposite or random (this becomes the best for Taufik). Since Taufik keeps losing, so his excuses should not be heard any more.

While Lin Dan promised to win back over Lee HI in the individual event, now he DID, and did so convincingly, and so wonderfully. Great job! Lin Dan, my hats off to you. Your losing record in the team events becomes nothing now.

-wei-

12-08-2006, 01:23 PM

cooler

12-08-2006, 01:51 PM

-wei-

12-08-2006, 02:06 PM

not a team player? That's a new one to add to the long list of excuses LOL'

TH lost in other events before, so he's not an individualist player too?

Ya, LD is so arrogant he didn't give LHI nor the crowds a close match to enjoy:p

...but cooler, I have evidence!

http://www.badmintonsite.com/Tours/InsidetheTourCat.aspx?id=19

1) Taufik Hidayat

Country: Indonesia

Comments: The best all round player in the world, can play all type off styles ,and when he “really” decides that he wants to win, no one can beat him

See? Taufik is invincible! ;)

bananaboy

12-08-2006, 02:27 PM

Maybe Taufik is a sadist and wants to give Lin Dan false confidence by letting him win unimportant matches and then give him the ultimate shock of his life by taking the AG gold from him.
Taufik failed in the team events, but we all know that Taufik is his own man and isn't exactly a team player right?
Taufik is the ultimate cruel extreme sadist!! Poor helpless Lin Dan.
Indra!! Back me up!!! LOL

Lin Dan must be as close to a "Saint" as possible then if you theory holds true about Taufik... My reason is that Lin Dan won't give Taufik any false hope of defeating him as he showed Taufik time and time again that Lin Dan himself is the better man, and right before their final encounter this year, Lin destroyed his opponent to prove to Taufik once again that there is no chance whatsoever for Taufik to even come close to beating him in the final. Poor little Taufik, find an excuse before going back home or family won't be happy with you.:p

TKG2609

12-08-2006, 07:17 PM

i m lindan fan, but this time i ll support taufik 2 bring 1 gold medal for my country .... hehehehe .... gogogo taufik ......

TKG2609

12-08-2006, 07:18 PM

make it 2 : 1 for asian game in doha ..... make it indonesia top 15 ....

cooler

12-08-2006, 07:58 PM

...but cooler, I have evidence!

http://www.badmintonsite.com/Tours/InsidetheTourCat.aspx?id=19

See? Taufik is invincible! ;)

your evidence is just some blurps from a danish coach.
Cooler's words have much more validation and weighting:p

When does TH decide to win? LOL like when the cows comes home :confused: :rolleyes: Let me twist this around, if TH wins, it would be because LD decided to let TH win like in the case of LD vs LHI team match. LD was tired and has minor wounds on his index finger so he let LHI win it. Losing to LHI in team event is insignicant as china went on to win team MS gold anyway. He fix LHI good WHEN LD DECIDES.

TH wins title only when there is good draw (04 OG) or his opponent hit a physical low that day (05 WC). It's almost end of the year 2006, 2moro match would be his last chance to decide to win in 2006 LOL

2cents

12-08-2006, 08:03 PM

your evidence is just some blurps from a danish coach.
Cooler's words have much more validation and weighting:p
...

Totally agree :D :D :D

cooler

12-08-2006, 08:24 PM

ssuly

12-08-2006, 08:28 PM

...but cooler, I have evidence!

http://www.badmintonsite.com/Tours/InsidetheTourCat.aspx?id=19

See? Taufik is invincible! ;)

-wei-, sometimes words do not seem as they're intended to mean. This former danish national coach, Michael did make a list of his top 20 players on that website. However, it's not obvious to me how he based his decision on. Is it more on the technical skills? or is it more on the winning skills?

It's just the logic and the fact that most of TH's great techniques (except his net play) such as his perfectly executed half smash, backhand skills, etc do not help as much as a greatly effective smash.

TH might have a greater overal technical skills, but LD concentrated his techniques on his effective smash and stamina. LD's technical skills (smash and stamina) are highly concentrated on the area that will enforce winning the most which I called winning skils. As for TH, his winning skill is his net play.

I'd argue that a greater player has more ability to WIN the game since it's the most logical and objective. If TH with his allround tehcniques supported by his net play and LD with his concentrated techniques (smash and stamina) DECIDED to win against each other, I think it would be a great match for all of us. It's a great match because the outcome is not sure and no one is invincible to each other.

So yes, I had to disagree with the danish coach if he meant to put TH as number one by considering his winning skills or even saying that "no one can beat TH when TH decides". LD's winning skills is absolutely not inferior to TH's.

However, we as TH's fans also have to give credit to LD that he is currently better than TH due to his recent winnings on motivated TH. TH's fans have to respect LD, and I'm sure LD's fans will respect TH... right Cooler?;):D

-wei-

12-08-2006, 08:40 PM

your evidence is just some blurps from a danish coach.
Cooler's words have much more validation and weighting:p

When does TH decide to win? LOL like when the cows comes home :confused: :rolleyes: Let me twist this around, if TH wins, it would be because LD decided to let TH win like in the case of LD vs LHI team match. LD was tired and has minor wounds on his index finger so he let LHI win it. Losing to LHI in team event is insignicant as china went on to win team MS gold anyway. He fix LHI good WHEN LD DECIDES.

TH wins title only when there is good draw (04 OG) or his opponent hit a physical low that day (05 WC). It's almost end of the year 2006, 2moro match would be his last chance to decide to win in 2006 LOL

Ok jokes aside for now.

I agree with you that Lin Dan was exhausted during WC 05 final, but good draw in the Olympics??
That is actually an unsupported assertion being spread around in this forum by dedicated Lin Dan fans.
The only thing that remotely supports that is the fact that he didn't meet Lin Dan in the Olympics.
Taufik did have to beat Wong Choong Hann and Peter Gade in the Olympics who both had a brilliant record against him at that time.

Apart from the round of 32 in which Lin Dan and Kenneth were the only significant players who lost, if you look at the losers in each round do you really think that he had a good draw?

ROUND16

Björn Joppien, GER
Lee Hyun-il, KOR
Choong Hann Wong, MAS (hardly a pushover compared to others on this list)
Nikhil Kanetkar, IND
Jim Ronny Andersen, NOR
Bao Chunlai, CHN
Richard Vaughan, GBR
Chong Wei Lee, MAS

ROUND8

Ronald Susilo, SIN
Peter Gade, DEN (arguably the strongest in this group)
Park Tae-sang, KOR
Chen Hong, CHN

ROUND4

Boonsak Ponsana, THA (probably weaker than Sony, but not by much)
Soni Dwi Kuncoro, INA

Although not the greatest of opponents in the final, how many top 10 players must you play in order for it to be considered a not very good draw?
If I could recall Wong Choong Han's path to the WC03 final he met no one of significance until he met Xia Xuanze in the final in which he lost, as Sony and Shon were both up and coming players back then.
In actual fact Taufik did have a tough draw in the Olympics due to low seeding.
So who do you actually think had the toughest draw in the Olympics?

-wei-

12-08-2006, 08:46 PM

Don't worry ssuly, I'm actually not a Taufik fan (read my past posts)
I posted the link to take the piss out of Taufik fans (sorry), as I found that link in another thread.

I hope Taufik puts up a good match tommorow though ;)

chemile

12-08-2006, 08:54 PM

cooler

12-09-2006, 12:40 AM

Wei, let me clarify myself. Yes i had brought up the point of 04 PG draw favoring TH but that was just me making a point. Realistically, draws does play a part but not the sole cause for top pros doing good or poorly a tournament. At high level where talents and ambition are so close, a small bit of an advantage can propel a pro to unexpected advancement in a tournament. To complete my overview on the 04 OG, the big part of why china bomb out is they are mentally weak, this is not new. It took zhang ning 10 years to avenge mia audina. Hindsight, imo, the china disaster at 04 OG actually made LD and CH stronger. Back then, LD's superiority relied solely on jump smashing and court speed. His net and backhand clear shots, his patience were just not well developed yet. The 04 OG made LD to go back to hone all his weaknesses. On the other extreme, 2 relatively quick major titles by TH made him complacent (ie. cocky) and had engraved his mind that he's the best so has no ambition to continue to improve.

In this AG, TH is looking much better than this year start due to his preparation for this event. However, LD had improved even more.

cooler

12-09-2006, 01:21 AM

Well said, I agree with your take on TH, ZJH and China team. When I first saw the ZJH-JS match, I was in awe and admiration of ZJH, as I have never seen anyone play the game as he displayed in demolishing Joko, who was also a great player. I want to add one thing to XXF, i.e. her legs is like a stork, she only takes two steps to cover reach the birdie, therefore her reach is a big weapon for her.

Let me extrapolate the theoretical scores if the LD vs LHI match were to played under the OSS, and compare it to the 1985 AE MS final ZJH vs joko S.

1985 AE MS final
ZJH beat joko S. 15-4, 15-1 in 25 mins, OSS
total point spread, 30 to 5

2006 AG MS SF
LD beat LHI 21-3, 21-10 in 22 mins, NSS

below is a snapshot of the point history of the china vs korea match. If one do the scoring under the OSS, LD beat LHI by 18-0, 13-2. Total point spread, 31 to 2

I think LD set a new standard of how one player dominated his opponent. Remember that all players involved here are considered top pros (~top 5)

Felix.

12-09-2006, 10:27 AM

In this AG, TH is looking much better than this year start due to his preparation for this event. However, LD had improved even more.

I'd let the result speak for itself.

And don't even start with a cakewalk draw, considering TH had to face PSH, BCL and LCW to reach the final . And whom did LD meet? PS, NW and LHI. WHAT A TOUGH DRAW!!!11! :rolleyes:

Simp84

12-10-2006, 07:14 AM

LinDan did pretty well to reach final, but ultimately he wasn't good enough on that day to beat TH...
Anyway I hope people will stop boasting crap before anything happens, let this incident show you all that nothing is predictable
Stop bashing TH in every bloody thread, its getting boring and annoying, please acknowledge that he is a great player and please respect him for his achievements, and also we must ackowledge that LD is one of the greatest of all time as he probably held the most #1 world ranking in consecutive weeks
So people grow up and stop teasing each other like children

Baderz_Jas

12-11-2006, 02:43 AM

virusvoodoo

12-11-2006, 05:56 AM

http://www.badmintonsite.com/Tours/I...Cat.aspx?id=19

Quote:
1) Taufik Hidayat

Country: Indonesia

Comments: The best all round player in the world, can play all type off styles ,and when he “really” decides that he wants to win, no one can beat him
------------------------------------------------------
when i read that the 2nd time, maybe it wasn't his typo after all.
He maybe saying TH off styles included:

impeccable touch and timing -> mid game walk out
know when to rest the sore body -> last moment cancellation
great drive shots -> from his mouth:eek:
great hands eyes coordination -> giving fingers to line judges
great smashing -> breaking racket on the floor

And i have real evidences for these :D :D :D

Cooler,

I was with you when Taufik was doing all those bad things but I think we have admit that this time Taufik Hidayat did play better to beat Lin Dan in the individual events. I have yet finished downloading the 1st set but I thought throughout the 2nd set, Taufik was better at controlling the match most part of the game. Although Lin Dan could have won the 2nd set which may result in Lin Dan winning but he failed to convert so we have to give props to him and stop with the Taufik bashing for now.

Let's hope Taufik plays like this in future tournaments until his retirement!

saugusli

12-11-2006, 07:41 AM

Woh... But Lin Dan Lost to Taufik. So means: Taufik is back so strong...

Lin Dan is back so strong! 21:3 win over Lee HI, and one point Lee got was a service fault. So it should be 21:2 What a great job!

When we heard about excuses and promises, most of them are garbage. After Thomas cup, Taufik promised win in World championship, he didn't deliver. After WC, Taufik promised AG, he failed again in the team events. So the individual event now is the only one left to test whether What Taufik said is just opposite or random (this becomes the best for Taufik). Since Taufik keeps losing, so his excuses should not be heard any more.

While Lin Dan promised to win back over Lee HI in the individual event, now he DID, and did so convincingly, and so wonderfully. Great job! Lin Dan, my hats off to you. Your losing record in the team events becomes nothing now.

Baderz_Jas

12-11-2006, 09:52 AM