AG2006 - Dec 9 - Individual Events Finals.

[MEanstreaM]

congrats to taufik.. and most impressive TBH & KKK :)

wow... what a display of badminton...

[nwy5633]

jalur gemilang flying high at aspire hall 3 for now...
hope tat our jalur gemilang will be at the same height for nxt year WC...
wawasan 2008 olympic for mas badminton team!!!
Koo & Tan will be too happy of being the new top pair in malaysia!!!

[Ethan]

Ya, taufik really did a lot of hairpin net shots today ! But LD was making more Unforced errors than usual. I guess this is the third time seeing him losing games while having game points. 1st in MO final against LCW, then the team event against LHI.

[nwy5633]

Chan Chong Ming will pair up with Hoon Thien How as i listen be4...
maybe another great combination from tat...

[mettayogi]

5 golds to 4 countries in individual events, so there is healthy competition compared to team events. China still dominates in WD, and XD as well.

There is already a lot said about China's upset in MS and WS. IMO both NSS and draw makes result less predictable and more nail-biting. As a fan that don't favor any one or country, I think this is good for badminton. A shot at gold makes everyone pumped up.

Too bad there is no video uploaded yet for LD vs. TH (team or MSF) yet. WDF and XDF also seems to be a close match from scoring.

I think AG2006 will be a game to remember for fans.

[meihong]

I do agree, more errors will be made when opponents are playing good badminton. Although KKK's pair played no better than yesterday, that was enough for them to bring back the gold.

yaa...luluk and alvent oso scared already when seeing koo kien keat and tan boon heong.
muahahahaha~~!!!:D

[hara^kazuko]

Why ask? KKK　ＴＢＨ is the new Asian Games Doubles Champion! They deserve it!

It's been quite some time when I last heard our national athem in the badminton arena

Bersatu dan maju... Rahmat Bahagia... Tuhan Kurniakan... Raja Kita, Selamat Bertakhta

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Inky2000]

pity chan choong ming actually..
he made a better pair with koo kien keat...i think
although tan boon heong not bad though

It seems to me that CCM/KKK pair have been "saturated". I doubt the pair could go any further should they resume their partnership. On the other hand, both KKK and TBH are young and there is a lot of space for them to pursue more honors. We still remember how the later Soon Kit/Kim Hock pair eventually outshone earlier, already respectable Soon Kit/Beng Kiang pair. Be patient. It won't take long for KKK/TBH to do the same to the former (?) CCM/KKK pair.

Quick question: Chandra/Sigit vs. Chandra/Tony ... which pair is better? Still remember the chronological order of their pairings?

[Ethan]

It seems to me that CCM/KKK pair have been "saturated". I doubt the pair could go any further should they resume their partnership. On the other hand, both KKK and TBH are young and there is a lot of space for them to pursue more honors. We still remember how the later Soon Kit/Kim Hock pair eventually outshone earlier, already respectable Soon Kit/Beng Kiang pair. Be patient. It won't take long for KKK/TBH to do the same to the former (?) CCM/KKK pair.

Quick question: Chandra/Sigit vs. Chandra/Tony ... which pair is better? Still remember the chronological order of their pairings?
This case is different cause Tony is a genius. He won the world championship with different partners. KKK/TBH still a long way to go, but of course I hope your prediction comes true !! No harm done for us right ?

[meihong]

This case is different cause Tony is a genius. He won the world championship with different partners. KKK/TBH still a long way to go, but of course I hope your prediction comes true !! No harm done for us right ?

ya, long way to go
stil can play for two more olympics...
hahaha, maybe?:rolleyes:

[sickgal]

Ho ho ho ... TAUFIK PROVES IT AGAIN, when he wants to win, NOBODY can stop him ... we're so proud of him ... :D :cool: :)

He keeps Lin Dan and his supporters MOUTH SHUT ... :rolleyes: ;) :p :p :D :rolleyes: :crying:

He is the real legend ... how about another Olympics GOLD for Taufik Hidayat ... :cool: :D :)


what??? do we have to keep quiet??? i seriously dun think so... congrats to TH:) but there is no need for us to keep quiet..after all...why should we?:confused::confused:

[sickgal]

many many congrats to the msian MD.. although i didnt manage to watch it live here in UK.. but i'd already ask the maid to do the recording n I'll be back too M'sia to watch it real soonn!!!! so excited!! cant wait to read tmr's news...!!!

[DoublesPlayer]

Ha ha ha ... sorry if I was too harsh on LD's fans ... I didn't mean it ...

TH's fans are too excited right now as we don't know when would be the next time TH "wants" to win ... ha ha ha

Congrats to MAS MD pair, they are incredible and deserved the victory ... congrats to Rexy, too for the success.

It's been a fun and exciting week in badminton ... I'm glad that we can share our thoughts/opinions with everyone in this forum ... it's been great ... keep it up ... and talk to you next time in the next tournament ...

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, too ... :)


what??? do we have to keep quiet??? i seriously dun think so... congrats to TH:) but there is no need for us to keep quiet..after all...why should we?:confused::confused:

[ctjcad]

(rest of article snipped for brevity)...

CNN.com
Badminton grudge match served up

Buoyed by an arena packed with frenzied Indonesian supporters clutching startled babies and waving national flags, Hidayat broke clear towards the end of a tight second game to leave Lee with the bronze medal.
..haha:eek::p:D:p:D:p...the match WAS NOT rated G...:p:D;)

[elwin81]

Is KKK/TBH vs Alvent/Luluk match broadcast in RTM1?
I am sure it will be great fun watching the match with the hilarious commentator.

[DinkAlot]

Or was it a slap?:D

Probably both. :p

Congrats to Taufik!

[maa2003]

IIRC ........
up to 1998 : Candra/Sigit (they won WC in 1997)
after 1998 - 2001 : Candra/Tony (they won AE1999 n Olympics 2000)
2001 - retired (2006, Thomas Cup) : Candra/Sigit (they won AE 2003)
after Thomas Cup 2006 - now : Candra/Tony (they won Japan Open 2006)

Candra/Sigit was split due to Sigit got banned from IBF in 1998 for 2 years.



Quick question: Chandra/Sigit vs. Chandra/Tony ... which pair is better? Still remember the chronological order of their pairings?

[Inky2000]

This case is different cause Tony is a genius. He won the world championship with different partners. KKK/TBH still a long way to go, but of course I hope your prediction comes true !! No harm done for us right ?

Well, I was predicting that KKK/TBH will become another Soon Kit/Kim Hock, not Tony/Chandra. It would be even bolder to predict KKK becoming another Tony eventually, but we shouldn't rule out such a slim possibility because he is still young.

The interesting question that I asked before ... Tony/Chandra vs. Sigit/Chandra - which is a better pair if they have the chance to play each other in a fantasy world?

[JasonMichael]

Well, I was predicting that KKK/TBH will become another Soon Kit/Kim Hock, not Tony/Chandra. It would be even bolder to predict KKK becoming another Tony eventually, but we shouldn't rule out such a slim possibility because he is still young.

The interesting question that I asked before ... Tony/Chandra vs. Sigit/Chandra - which is a better pair if they have the chance to play each other in a fantasy world?

Everyone is talking about Tony/Chandra/Sigit...
Wonder if they knew who was rexy mainaky and ricky subagja...
I think they were all at the same level at their prime...

[Inky2000]

Everyone is talking about Tony/Chandra/Sigit...
Wonder if they knew who was rexy mainaky and ricky subagja...
I think they were all at the same level at their prime...

There were a lot more pairs at the same level at their prime (e.g., I still remember the four top pairs in the world during my school days who ruled the MD scene for more than 5 years - Joo Bong/Moon Soo [they were the Tony/Chandra pair of their time], Sidek bros, Bingyi/Yongbo & Gunawan/Hartono) ... but for the time being, we are talking about the present top pairs.

[saugusli]

Hi All,

Taufik the better player on the world.

Taufik Skill batter than all other players. The Asian Games Individual Single Final 2006, The mentality is better than Lin Dan..

So Notes:
- If Taufik got motivation, nobody player can beat him.
- If Taufik no personal and family problems, nobody player can beat him.
- If taufik can leave the smoking and improve stamina, nobody player can beat him.

In Asean Games Single: Taufik beat Bao C, LCW and Lin Dan... So Fantastic..... He beat the Top Players...

important for him to beat lin dan (the arogant player)...hhhaaaa

so After won, Taufik going to LYB (Lin Dan Head Coach) and hand shake..It is very good attitude....nobody do it before.......It is not arogant.......

[bic33]

as for me, INA MD like sigit, candra, tony, ricky, rexy, etc.. are the best this world has to offer... they are already legends... i think the next in line are korea's MD.. park joo bong, etc...

[ctjcad]

So Notes:
- If Taufik got motivation, nobody player can beat him.
- If Taufik no personal and family problems, nobody player can beat him.
- If taufik can leave the smoking and improve stamina, nobody player can beat him.
..wah, saugusli, quite a few *Ifs* there..;) ..Btw, just curious, abt the comment which i've highlighted in bold, any proof(s) to go along with that??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

[saugusli]

Hi All,

Now, Taufik targets to take All England and Olimpic.... The All Important award got already.. (Asian Games-2times, Olimpic, and World)...

only 2 players got 2times Asian Games Title: Zoa Jian Hua and Taufik Hidayat.

Taufik Hidayat take Asian Games Titles: 2002 and 2006.

I think Taufik Ranking will be good.. Maybe from 11 to 5/6.

[ck1981]

It seems to me that CCM/KKK pair have been "saturated". I doubt the pair could go any further should they resume their partnership. On the other hand, both KKK and TBH are young and there is a lot of space for them to pursue more honors. We still remember how the later Soon Kit/Kim Hock pair eventually outshone earlier, already respectable Soon Kit/Beng Kiang pair. Be patient. It won't take long for KKK/TBH to do the same to the former (?) CCM/KKK pair.

Quick question: Chandra/Sigit vs. Chandra/Tony ... which pair is better? Still remember the chronological order of their pairings?

Although I am a big fan of Tony, I still think that Chandra/Sigit matches are more exciting to watch. Sigit liked to do a lot of fancy stuff compared to Tony, who is a more steady player.
There's another good Indo double player called Halim. Anyone recall the AE2001 final where Tony/Halim beated Chandra/Sigit in 3 sets?

[bic33]

yep.. it was halim heryanto... he is also part of INA's interchangeable, unbeatable MD's...lol

[Inky2000]

as for me, INA MD like sigit, candra, tony, ricky, rexy, etc.. are the best this world has to offer... they are already legends... i think the next in line are korea's MD.. park joo bong, etc...

Don't forget Moon Soo. In late 1980s & early 1990s, he partnered Joo Bong to become the MD pair to beat in the world. After mid-1990s, he formed THE legendary pair with Kyung Min in the history of the XD (or all doubles) department (did they remain unbeatable for years before they retired)?

[saugusli]

Yes.. Not only Taufik you know....

Liem Swie King also....smoking..... But both of them the good Players...

not screat again.. In Indonesia, anybody should know about it. Taufik smoking and also his coach...If he do smoking, the stamina will be drop... and stop smoking, his stamina and motivation will be improve more... the his skills is already good....

The skills will be good if the stamina and motivation also good.. Two things must be maintenance..


..wah, saugusli, quite a few *Ifs* there..;) ..Btw, just curious, abt the comment which i've highlighted in bold, any proof(s) to go along with that??..:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

[bic33]

Don't forget Moon Soo. In late 1980s & early 1990s, he partnered Joo Bong to become the MD pair to beat in the world. After mid-1990s, he formed THE legendary pair with Kyung Min in the history of the XD (or all doubles) department (did they remain unbeatable for years before they retired)?

sorry inky, how the heck can i forget moon soo??? :p joo bong and moon soo formed korea's strongest MD.. EVER! :D

[Inky2000]

Don't forget Moon Soo. In late 1980s & early 1990s, he partnered Joo Bong to become the MD pair to beat in the world. After mid-1990s, he formed THE legendary pair with Kyung Min in the history of the XD (or all doubles) department (did they remain unbeatable for years before they retired)?

My apology. The XD pair should be Kim Dong Moon + Ra Kyung Min. The XD pair seemed to outshine the MD pair of Tae Kwon/Dong Moon (although they used to be World No.1 MD pair anyway).

[ctjcad]

Yes.. Not only Taufik you know....

Liem Swie King also....smoking..... But both of them the good Players...

not screat again.. In Indonesia, anybody should know about it. Taufik smoking and also his coach...If he do smoking, the stamina will be drop... and stop smoking, his stamina and motivation will be improve more... the his skills is already good....

The skills will be good if the stamina and motivation also good.. Two things must be maintenance..
..i don't know abt Liem Swie King, so no comment from me.
I'm not "pushing" you to show some proof(s), but to share with you, i had actually asked Taufik's coaches(coach Joko, Richard & Mulyo himself) and his teammates(some of them) specifically on this small issue in last yr's World Championships(yes, i was one of the Liaison Officer for team Indonesia)...;)

Their answers are "NO, he doesn't smoke". I also didn't notice him smoking in any way nor at any time nor smelled any tobacco on him. To add, me and a couple other BC/BF members also had a get-together(took them to dinner prior to the start of the competition) with the INA team last yr during the WC; if you want more infos, you can check/do a search in the 2005 World Championships sub-forum/threads and the Pictures with Players (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24072) thread. However, you are right though, his coach, Mulyo does smoke as i saw him puffed his cigs a couple of times.
So, either all of them were not telling the truth to me or he simply doesn't smoke.:rolleyes: ;)

[jurong_twister]

he surely is a heavy smoker. he doesnt know you well to show his true color.

[chemile]

yaa...luluk and alvent oso scared already when seeing koo kien keat and tan boon heong.
muahahahaha~~!!!:D

Well, ok lah for this time they played better than the others, or because that Malaysia people have been waiting AG gold medals from many years ago. But, I think Malaysian do not let the euphoria too long. If it is hapenned, it will probably will end for this pair, because I see that KKK/TBH still inconsistent, remain that their poor performance in team event. Congrat for KKK/TBH.

[Abby飘]

Gao Ling is very good.She won three gold medals. I am very happy!!!

[Inky2000]

Well, ok lah for this time they played better than the others, or because that Malaysia people have been waiting AG gold medals from many years ago. But, I think Malaysian do not let the euphoria too long. If it is hapenned, it will probably will end for this pair, because I see that KKK/TBH still inconsistent, remain that their poor performance in team event. Congrat for KKK/TBH.

Of course, KKK/TBH need to work hard. However, it's premature to argue that they are inconsistent. The new pair has only participated in three international competitions and only lost twice in 13 matches that they played. Even the formidable Tony/Chandra is not 100% unbeatable - they were stopped at the quarterfinal stage by Fu/Cai at HK Open this year. During the early stage of their partnership in late 1990s, plenty of pairs used to beat Tony/Chandra (e.g., Soon Kit/Tan Fook [twice], Tan Fook/Wan Wah, Jens/Jesper, Ha/Kim [thrice], Jim/Michael [twice], Dong Soo/Yung Sung, Ricky/Rexy). If KKK/TBH are inconsistent now with the two lost matches in mind, so were Tony/Chandra then.

[bic33]

i have no comment on this one.. we just have to wait and see.. maybe 5 years?:D

[zqloy]

Of course, KKK/TBH need to work hard. However, it's premature to argue that they are inconsistent. The new pair has only participated in three international competitions and only lost twice in 13 matches that they played. Even the formidable Tony/Chandra is not 100% unbeatable - they were stopped at the quarterfinal stage by Fu/Cai at HK Open this year. During the early stage of their partnership in late 1990s, plenty of pairs used to beat Tony/Chandra (e.g., Soon Kit/Tan Fook [twice], Tan Fook/Wan Wah, Jens/Jesper, Ha/Kim [thrice], Jim/Michael [twice], Dong Soo/Yung Sung, Ricky/Rexy). If KKK/TBH are inconsistent now with the two lost matches in mind, so were Tony/Chandra then.

Wow u r good man! Can remember precisely whom does Tony/Chandra lost b4 :o

[ctjcad]

he surely is a heavy smoker. he doesnt know you well to show his true color.
..what i was told and what i saw...nothing more, nothing less...if they didn't tell me the truth, then so be it...at least i'm not telling some "assumptions"...
Btw, jurong_twister, again, i'm not "pushing" you, but if you meant what you said, any proof(s) to probably back it up??...:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

[ctjcad]

..hmm, i just re-watch the TH vs LD's match, and from my own feeling, it seemed like LD didn't really want to win...Esp. in the 1st set, he was just not aggressive enough, seemed "lazy" to put forth full effort...It's very uncharacteristic of him(with all the unforced errors he made), thruout the game, seemed like LD was just reacting and playing in some "practice session". And esp. the last winning shot to Taufik, it seemed like LD just gave that point easily for him...:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

But what do you all think are the chances all the CHN singles players didn't win in the individual events(ie. XXF, ZN, LD)...It seemed like they just didn't care or don't want to win the individual events. Since it's only an AG and there is/are no money prizes. I know i'm gonna get some criticism(s) for saying this, but I even heard of some silly mumblings that maybe, maybe, just maybe Taufik "paid" LinDan to give him the title....Again, that's just some silly mumblings i've heard...:confused: :rolleyes: :p

[cooler]

..hmm, i just re-watch the TH vs LD's match, and from my own feeling, it seemed like LD didn't really want to win...Esp. in the 1st set, he was just not aggressive enough, seemed "lazy" to put forth full effort...It's very uncharacteristic of him(with all the unforced errors he made), thruout the game, seemed like LD was just reacting and playing in some "practice session". And esp. the last winning shot to Taufik, it seemed like LD just gave that point easily for him...:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

But what do you all think are the chances all the CHN singles players didn't win in the individual events(ie. XXF, ZN, LD)...It seemed like they just didn't care or don't want to win the individual events. Since it's only an AG and there is/are no money prizes. I know i'm gonna get some criticism(s) for saying this, but I even heard of some silly mumblings that maybe, maybe, just maybe Taufik "paid" LinDan to give him the title....Again, that's just some silly mumblings i've heard...:confused: :rolleyes: :p
yes, your observation concurs with mine.
i didnt watch the zhang ning match but XXF sure look sluggish, lacks motivation and drive. In additon to my previous comment on why LD lost, LD continue its mistake of inviting net play with TH on the 2nd set.

I think TH made commitment to a AG gold because i have no doubt that TH would had been promised of a 'significant' financial reward for this outcome or else he wouldn't put so much effort into it. Given that all the big guns (xxf, zn, LD, fu/cai) fail to play at their usual standards, i think the chinese players knew they have exceeded previous AG 3 gold with 4 now, and likely with no or insignicant financial reward, and have no bearing on WBF ranking, why go all out on individual event? Hmm, the chinese players, it seem, are not that dumb after all;)

I do not believe the man TH would play this hard for no tangible gain, be it WBF ranking status and/or $$.

[Yudhi]

I think this could very well be the case considering Taufik's status as the son in law of head of ISC(INA sports council) and the 'unexplained' handshake and friendly approach from Taufik to LYB.

The little argument from LYB and LD at the end of the match could be that LD almost screwed the LYB's agreement eventhough LD dying for the GOLD and didn't have the heart to throw important match like that. :crying: :crying:

However, if this is really happening, the idea could very well came from Agum himself and TH was just the mediator, he is in the final and there's only 1 more step for a GOLD. As Agum is retiring, AG gold medals must be significant to him personally and for the sake of his reputation. A few grands for a gold is nothing much to him, I believe :mad: :mad:

Just an opinion, what do u guys think?

[cooler]

I think this could very well be the case considering Taufik's status as the son in law of head of ISC(INA sports council) and the 'unexplained' handshake and friendly approach from Taufik to LYB.

The little argument from LYB and LD at the end of the match could be that LD almost screwed the LYB's agreement eventhough LD dying for the GOLD and didn't have the heart to throw important match like that. :crying: :crying:

However, if this is really happening, the idea could very well came from Agum himself and TH was just the mediator, he is in the final and there's only 1 more step for a GOLD. As Agum is retiring, AG gold medals must be significant to him personally and for the sake of his reputation. A few grands for a gold is nothing much to him, I believe :mad: :mad:

Just an opinion, what do u guys think?

hmm, i think u r onto something, the prize might be even bigger than just money;) TH did publicly say that he would like to win a gold for his father in law. Second, it is highly unusual for TH to walk over to the china bench to shake their hands given what feeling he has of LD and LYB, unless he want to show the INA politicans of his mediating skills:D

shouldn't u be studying instead of reading BF?:p

[Yudhi]

shouldn't u be studying instead of reading BF?:p

U so damn right :D :D !

[ctjcad]

I think this could very well be the case considering Taufik's status as the son in law of head of ISC(INA sports council) and the 'unexplained' handshake and friendly approach from Taufik to LYB.

hmm, i think u r onto something, the prize might be even bigger than just money;) TH did publicly say that he would like to win a gold for his father in law. Second, it is highly unusual for TH to walk over to the china bench to shake their hands given what feeling he has of LD and LYB, unless he want to show the INA politicans of his mediating skills:D
...hmm, and if i recall, there was a report(as mentioned in this sub-forum, but forgot exactly where, maybe from ants' report) that following the match, LinDan refused to do a Media Press conference. Leaving Taufik to do all the press conference all by himself and at the same time, when asked by reporters, prompted Taufik to say, "Yeah, ask him why he doesn't want to come"...hmm:rolleyes: ;)

But funny thing is, when the camera was panning in the area of XXF and LDS a few times, i saw 2 different body demeanors. One, XXF of interest and seemed to be engrossed in the actions and two, whilst LDS more in a "hmm, something doesn't seem right in this match" demeanor; with a 'thoughtful' look w/ his hand on his cheek..:rolleyes:

[Inky2000]

Wow u r good man! Can remember precisely whom does Tony/Chandra lost b4 :o

Not by memory lah! I've been recording selected top MS & MD players' head-to-head results since 1996 while the Internet were still new to most of us and certainly no IBF website as our reference. Here are what I have in my database (perhaps incomplete),

lost to Soon Kit/Tan Fook twice
- Korea Open '99 (11-15, 13-15)
- Chinese Taipei Open '99 (one week after Korea Open!) (16-17, 6-15)

lost to Tan Fook/Wan Wah
- Konica Cup '99 (7-15, 15-14, 12-15)

lost to Jens/Jesper
- Thomas Cup '00 final stage (at semi-final) (15-8, 15-17, 16-17)

lost to Tae Kwon/Dong Moon thrice
- Japan Open '99 (15-17, 15-3, 11-15)
- World Championships '99 (15-12, 7-15, 10-15)
- All England '00 (12-15, 5-15)

lost to Dong Soo/Yung Sung twice
- All England '98 (10-15, 10-15)
- Korea Open (7-15, 15-8, 14-17)

lost to Ricky/Rexy
- Indonesia Open '99 (12-15, 8-15)

[CLELY]

Finally, INA add GOLD from bdm! Most attention I guess from the finale was MAS's youngster MD,hmmm beat 4 top-pairs in a row (1 KOR-1 CHN and 2 INA), Rexy must be proud of this -- double success as former top-MD and coach, vice versa irony for PBSI!

Congratz for all GOLD Medalist -- CHN(2) ; MAS(1) ; HKG(1) and last but not least our bad-boy, you're very smart to win in the right time!