haha, just following the tradition whenever Lin or Taufik loses...share your views. thanx.:D

the answer is simple.. the other player out played him and gived 200% to win

- he may 'hate' to be a consintence player , winning many reguler tournaments in a row but fail in a major tournament, i heard many chinese people (in a chinese forum website) bashed him after losing to TH in asian games 2006 final , that might have hurted him :rolleyes: .

- he just wanted to protest the draw, lindan might say" though i beat TH, i still don't agree with the draw, why must 2 best player meet in very early round " :D

Anyone is human being, and anyone can have a bad day. If LD can lose in 1st round in Olympics, I don't see why it's not possible that he can lost in 2nd round in any open tournies. Never to metion, playing against TH in 1st round, is not fun for anyone. :o

I don't know why LD lost but the draw was ridiculous.

LD vs. TH in the 1st Round was ridiculous.

I don't know why LD lost but the draw was ridiculous.

LD vs. TH in the 1st Round was ridiculous.

It becomes more ridiculous when these two superstar badminton players were paid pittance for their efforts, losing out in R! and R2. These guys are akin in status to their star counterparts in their respective sports such as Tiger Woods in golf, Federer (?) in tennis, Beckham in soccer, etc, etc.

Of course, just as what LB has said, they're still human and have their off-days too.

I don't know why LD lost but the draw was ridiculous.

LD vs. TH in the 1st Round was ridiculous.

Well, you gotta ask Taufik why his ranking is so ridiculous.

Well, you gotta ask Taufik why his ranking is so ridiculous.

maybe TH's wife got a better answer :P

Well, you gotta ask Taufik why his ranking is so ridiculous.

TH's ranking is not ridiculous. It's correct. He doesn't play that many tourneys and hasn't won many which reflects in his ranking.

Regardless, TH is still one of the Top MS players.

Lin dan lost because He won to Taufik not easy... So Second round Lin dan Tired already.... HHHAAA Arogant Player lost...

Cai Yu and Fu Hai Feng also lost...HHHAAa

Ayo... Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea work together to beat China....HHaaa

I don't know why LD lost but the draw was ridiculous.

LD vs. TH in the 1st Round was ridiculous.

TH's ranking is not ridiculous. It's correct. He doesn't play that many tourneys and hasn't won many which reflects in his ranking.

Regardless, TH is still one of the Top MS players.

Exactly, so whose fault is it that Taufik is not ranked high enough to be seeded? BWF? Why blame the draw for being ridiculous?

The only ridiculous thing is Taufik being ranked 12 when he is one of the top players. Only 7 tournaments per year? Must work harder ...

Exactly, so whose fault is it that Taufik is not ranked high enough to be seeded? BWF? Why blame the draw for being ridiculous?

The only ridiculous thing is Taufik being ranked 12 when he is one of the top players. Only 7 tournaments per year? Must work harder ...

It's TH's choice to play or not to play. I'm not debating that. And I'm not debating his ranking.

My point, and I should have made it in the first post, there's less than a 5% chance LD would play TH in the 1st round based on the "draw". I find it ironic they got paired in the 1st round.

I'm not saying there's foul play, I just find it ironic. That is all.

haha, just following the tradition whenever Lin or Taufik loses...share your views. thanx.:D

I did not watch the game. But is it possible that he was just too relaxed when playing the game? Maybe he's now only aiming at several events like AE, olympic and wc, and MO is not his priority.

Why did Lin Dan loose..

Simple answer:

Park played better badminton than him in this meeting..

/Twobeer

...and now my earlier prediction of a rematch from last yr's MO wouldn't come to fruition..:( :p

or what deca2000 wrote could be true..:confused: :rolleyes: :p

Hmm, isn't this strange..last yr some players were "complaining" abt the new scoring system change when it was introduced. And now, it's the "strange" draw that has most of the players & even coaches "baffled", complaining and left scratching their heads...Will this trend continue for the subsequent SS tourneys??..:confused:
So, what's next in BWF's agenda??..:confused: :p

probably has trauma when playing on malaysian courts - losing after 7 championship points! or could just be the bad aura he gets from the crowd, since he was booed the last time.
but anyway, i don't find it that suprising he lost, he was outplayed.

Lin Dan lost unexpectedly because you never do "expect" him to lose.

Lin Dan lost unexpectedly because you never do "expect" him to lose.

Ha, true. That's the best post here so far. :p

Lin dan lost because He won to Taufik not easy... So Second round Lin dan Tired already.... HHHAAA Arogant Player lost...

Cai Yu and Fu Hai Feng also lost...HHHAAa

Ayo... Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea work together to beat China....HHaaa

=/ sounds like the world is trying to beat on china again. It was very horriying when it first happened.

Anyways on a differen't note, Lets explore the possibility of Lin Dan letting the game go. Now since I didn't see the game I can't say whether or not he was giving it his 100%, but lets say Lin Dan and Lee Choong Wei met in the finals. And Lin Dan won. Wouldn't it cause alot of negative emotions and dent malaysia's confidence in their team ? It could affect the popularity of the sport in malaysia and Lin Dan would get alot boos and disrespect from the crowd, (sort of what you see in an indonesian crowd). So what if Lin Dan lost in the Final against Lee Choong Wei? Then Lin Dan will look really bad, and people will mock him and Lee Choong Wei will again be praised for beating Lin Dan, which would make Lin feel very sore. So Lin could be thinking about what would be the safest course of action or which course of action would benefit the most people. So playing taufik in the beginning round would be great for him. Since he'll be playing one of the best players in history and gain some valuable experience, and at the same time he can lose later in a round where he won't losing much face. And so making an easy exit out of a no win situation, while still adding to his experience.

Of course, he could of just plain losed.

I am sure WBF would argue that putting them in the first round is the right decision(from draw) as none of these two players advanve deep into the round so how could they be the best players of the tournament? The results speak for itself and I concur :D
It's still a very good tournament and the best is yet to come. Sit tight and enjoy!
Han

I don't know why LD lost but the draw was ridiculous.

LD vs. TH in the 1st Round was ridiculous.

Check www.badzine.info Newsflash:
MO 2007 - Lin Dan out !

LD vs. TH in the 1st Round was ridiculous.

But this is by the drawing/ranking system, right? I don't think anyone hand pick this one.

With TH has less ranking point, he has to start a tournament against a seeded player, might be LD, might be BCL (last year in JO?), or what so ever. Guess no seeded player wants to face TH in earlier round, and not too many times, you see the "seed" is the underdog. :rolleyes:

I don't know why LD lost but the draw was ridiculous.

LD vs. TH in the 1st Round was ridiculous.
Hi DinkAlot,

A true warrior in any sport is one who plays his/her best in any match, regardless of;
Who the opponent is,
When it is played,
Where it is played,
Which round of the tournament it is played, and
What the draw is like.

Cheers... chris@ccc

I completely agree. I can't bring myself to entertain the fact that he lost intentionally, for any reason whatsoever.

Lin Dan lost because what's the point of playing when no one beats a Malaysian at the Malaysion Open.

He played the first round against TH because he just wanted revenged.

Hi DinkAlot,

A true warrior in any sport is one who plays his/her best in any match, regardless of;
Who the opponent is,
When it is played,
Where it is played,
Which round of the tournament it is played, and
What the draw is like.

Cheers... chris@ccc

They are willing to fight at any of those situations, but it does not mean that they preform at their best. I'm sure we all know the vast difference between practicing in your home gym and playing at a foriegn gym in foreign conditions. I just think that the draw caused luck to play more of a role in the match then would otherwise be desirable.

Chris, that's all nice and idealistic but in this world, not everything is so black and white; but rather many shades of gray.

Hi DinkAlot,

A true warrior in any sport is one who plays his/her best in any match, regardless of;
Who the opponent is,
When it is played,
Where it is played,
Which round of the tournament it is played, and
What the draw is like.

Cheers... chris@ccc

But this is by the drawing/ranking system, right? I don't think anyone hand pick this one.

With TH has less ranking point, he has to start a tournament against a seeded player, might be LD, might be BCL (last year in JO?), or what so ever. Guess no seeded player wants to face TH in earlier round, and not too many times, you see the "seed" is the underdog. Exactly. There is no mystery about how it happened. No one ever bats an eye when Boonsak Ponsana or Sairul Ayob Amar periodically face top seeds in early rounds. If Taufik has a similar ranking, why should it be any different. You can't have seedings determined by ranking or by the vague expectation on the part of the organizers that a certain player could do really well.

I think we are just lucky that we see Taufik playing Lin Dan in as many finals as we do. The only two players who are guaranteed not to meet until the finals are the #1 and #2 ranked players. Nevertheless, we've had Taufik vs. Lin Dan in:
Singapore Open 2005 (Taufik ranked #8);
WC 2005 (Taufik ranked #6);
Doha Asian Games 2006 (Taufik #9 player in the draw);
and last but not least
Japan Open 2006 (Taufik ranked a lowly #34!)

Lest anyone suspect that the above examples are of organizers massaging the draw the other way, keep in mind that there are numerous examples of tournaments such as this Malaysia Open 2007, Malaysia Open 2005, Hong Kong Open 2006, and the Olympic Games 2004 when #1 Lin Dan and lower ranked Taufik were in the same half of the draw.

I don't care about all this so-called "logic", I just want to complain that LD played TH in the 1st round. :p

But this is by the drawing/ranking system, right? I don't think anyone hand pick this one.

With TH has less ranking point, he has to start a tournament against a seeded player, might be LD, might be BCL (last year in JO?), or what so ever. Guess no seeded player wants to face TH in earlier round, and not too many times, you see the "seed" is the underdog. :rolleyes:

I don't care about all this so-called "logic", I just want to complain that LD played TH in the 1st round. :p

agreed.. I think the draw must be somewhat flawed if no.1 and no.12 on the world ranking meets in first round..

/Twobeer

i have 3 good reasons:
1. korean Hwan Park came prepared, he studied TH and LD because he knows he will likely meet these 2 in early rounds. Conversely, LD dunno much nor care much about hwan park style as he assumed he can handle it. In this MO, LD objective is the avenge TH in 2 set, with a comeback on the 2nd set just like TH in 06 AG. He accomplished that.

2. Under NSS, it is too short of duration for a player to feel and learn about a unfamiliar player and make adjustment in time. This is different from a regular comeback like against TH which involve just more effort. I can guarantee u that LD can kick Hwan Park's butt if they meet next time, just like how LD slaughtered Lee HL in 06 AG 2nd match.

3. LYB game plan. He wanted the other chinese players to get better ranking going into the 08 OG. As i said before, 2008 gold MS is super important, and having the best draws at the OG is super important, even if LD losing some 07 titles . The key match in 07 for LD is to defend the AE & sudirman title and get decent #1 or #2 ranking going into 2008. TH is LD only threat and TH has a long way up to climb in ranking. If LD stop TH at 07 AE and sudirman, TH ranking will stay low due to lack of motivation. LD can pour it onto Hwan Park at the end, looking at the the score, it seem LD didn't do that.

chris, it's not black and white ;)

chris, it's not black and white ;)

I told you, it's many shades of gray! :p :D

I told you, it's many shades of gray! :p :D
i knew it too but i forgot to footnote ur quote:D

Overhead this:

TH : LD, since we are friends now, doesn't matter who win or lose. If you win 1st round, pls. make sure you lose the 2nd round. Then we can both go shopping and sight seeing.

LD : Good idea...will do. See you on Friday and we shall shop till we AE 07 comes and do it one more time.

i knew it too but i forgot to footnote ur quote:D

Even panda's get quoted? :eek: :p

I bet, now, CJ's going to take the MO. :)

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/1/19/sports/16620629&sec=sports

Badminton: Sung-hwan packs off top seed Lin Dan
DEFEAT for Chinese ace Lin Dan in the early rounds of a tournament is a rare occurrence. But he found himself bundled out by South Korean Park Sung-hwan in the second round of the Malaysian Open at the Kuala Lumpur Badminton Stadium here yesterday.
The defeat came a day after he played a high-powered game to eliminate Olympic and Asian Games gold medallist Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia. The world number one and reigning world champion crashed to a 14-21, 17-21 defeat in 36 minutes.
http://thestar.com.my/archives/2007/1/19/sports/s_pg64park.jpg Giant-killer: The scoreboard tells it all as South Korea’s Park Sung-hwan jubilates after knocking out world champion Lin Dan in the second round of the Malaysian Open.
The previous occasion Lin Dan crashed out in the early rounds was in the 2004 Athens Olympics. It was also in the second round, losing to Singaporean Ronald Susilo.
Yesterday, the Chinese again showed his side of a sore loser after failing in his fourth attempt to win the Malaysian Open. Just like he did last year after losing to Malaysian Lee Chong Wei in the final in Kuching, he refused to meet the media.
But Sung-hwan was overwhelmed with delight as though he had won the title.
“Lin Dan is the fastest singles player in the world and today I matched his pace. His tactical game is of high level but today, I was able to break his rhythm,” said Sung-hwan.
But it was not his first win against Lin Dan. Sung-hwan also beat the Chinese en route to a runner-up finish in the 2004 Malaysian Open.
“The Korean team came here a week early. It’s winter in my country and the early training session helped me to adapt to the weather here. Malaysia is certainly a good place for me,” said Sung-hwan, who will take on Denmark’s Kenneth Jonassen today for a place in the semi-finals.
Jonassen qualified for the quarter-finals with a 21-12, 21-14 win over Indian Anand Chetan.
Said Sung-hwan: “I have never won an Open title. I may have beaten Lin Dan but it will not be easy. I lost to Kenneth in the Hong Kong Open last year. But I have come this far and I will give my best.”
Said Kenneth: “Sung-hwan will not be easy to beat, especially now that he has beaten Lin Dan. But I am confident of a good showing.”
http://thestar.com.my/archives/2007/1/19/sports/s_pg64lindan.jpg Lin Dan is floored after his loss to the South Korean.
Denmark’s Peter Gade-Christensen, who was hospitalised on arrival here last week for the Malaysian Open after suffering a migrain attack during his flight from Copenhagen, continued to show improvement in his performance.
He defeated Susilo 21-13, 21-10 in just 26 minutes to set up a quarter-final match against China’s Chen Yu, who beat Malaysian Yeoh Kay Bin 21-13, 21-15, 21-13.


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Bcuz he look down upon Park????
tat could be possible..... :P

NOT!......Lin Dan lost cuz Xie Xingfang wasn't there to cheer for him..:(

Bcuz he look down upon Park????
tat could be possible..... :P

=/ sounds like the world is trying to beat on china again. It was very horriying when it first happened.

Anyways on a differen't note, Lets explore the possibility of Lin Dan letting the game go. Now since I didn't see the game I can't say whether or not he was giving it his 100%, but lets say Lin Dan and Lee Choong Wei met in the finals. And Lin Dan won. Wouldn't it cause alot of negative emotions and dent malaysia's confidence in their team ? It could affect the popularity of the sport in malaysia and Lin Dan would get alot boos and disrespect from the crowd, (sort of what you see in an indonesian crowd). So what if Lin Dan lost in the Final against Lee Choong Wei? Then Lin Dan will look really bad, and people will mock him and Lee Choong Wei will again be praised for beating Lin Dan, which would make Lin feel very sore. So Lin could be thinking about what would be the safest course of action or which course of action would benefit the most people. So playing taufik in the beginning round would be great for him. Since he'll be playing one of the best players in history and gain some valuable experience, and at the same time he can lose later in a round where he won't losing much face. And so making an easy exit out of a no win situation, while still adding to his experience.

Of course, he could of just plain losed.


and you just plain stupid

and you just plain stupid

conspiracy isn't stupid, its novel material

or you lack imagination :P

perhaps msia isn't a good place for him to play badminton haha....

he's getting old laa I think...now it's the time for Park Sun Hwan, Chen Yu, Chen Jin to shine...the youngsters...

^^

Chen Yu is actually quite a bit older than even Lin Dan, by like maybe 2-3 years. I see him more as a giant killer or a player that spring surprises by bringing some top seeds down instead of being a championship contender.

It's not like LD lost to some unknown, rookie player who we've never seen before. Park Sung Hwan is probably Korea's 2nd best MS player now and also a former world junior silver medallist so he's no cakewalk. But at the same time, it is shocking to see LD lost relatively tamely in 2 straight to somebody who's not Taufik. It's been quite a while since he lost this early in a tourney.

But maybe to LD, the main thing here was he got his revenge...

Overhead this:

TH : LD, since we are friends now, doesn't matter who win or lose. If you win 1st round, pls. make sure you lose the 2nd round. Then we can both go shopping and sight seeing.

LD : Good idea...will do. See you on Friday and we shall shop till we AE 07 comes and do it one more time.


u forgot this

Park Sun Hwan : who's your daddy now ! kids go play far far away ... daddy's got business to take care ....

:p :p :p

u forgot this

Park Sun Hwan : who's your daddy now ! kids go play far far away ... daddy's got business to take care ....

:p :p :p

Ha..ha.. BTW, how old is Park SH? Koreans are known to have great fighting spirits and can come up with surprises tho' not consistently.

On a more serious observation, I think the Chinese team are not really well-conditioned for this MO. It's bitterly cold in Beijing this season. Some of the players couldn't make the trip because they are not well, some came and fell sick along the way. The rest who are surviving the tournament are probably not 90% fit although they are silent so as not to give their opponents the extra confidence. The men's divison is very competitive and if you are not up to the mark on that particular day you will not see thru' it unlike in the women's where the gap is still significant.

Another thought,

I think LD lost because he was overconfident.Somehow I feel that at the back of his mind he must have thought if it win TH.The title is mine...He was wrong very wrong.The korean must has hit him where it hit mosts

Lin Dan is great. He is a complete player. More to come from him in 2007.

But i think in Malaysia, he is Lin DONE!

Just kidding! :p

it may have been mental exhaustion or physical exhaustion. it may be lin dan was outmanuvered. it may be he was not feeling well. it may be the fact that the crowd was making it hard for him. it may be he was not playing his 100%. it may have been a lot of things. but the bottom line is, he is defeated. i thought park played a great game judging from the way he made lin dan scramble all over the court. i never really expect anyone to make it to the final. not even lee chong wei, even though i would love for him to win again this year. not even taufik because he had lin dan in the first round. not even lin dan because he had taufik in the first round. one thing about this NSS, anybody on a good day could make an upset. so no, it was not unexpected for me.

Lin Dan is great. He is a complete player. More to come from him in 2007.

But i think in Malaysia, he is Lin DONE!

Just kidding! :p

your Lin Done was very funny! :p :p

Lin Dan lost because Park Sun Hwan reached 21 points first and was ahead by more than a point for two consecutive sets...Otherwise, LD would have been the winner. :D

your Lin Done was very funny! :p :p Hi bic33,

Yes, "Lin Done" is indeed funny...... but too sarcastic ! :p:p:p

Chris, that's all nice and idealistic but in this world, not everything is so black and white; but rather many shades of gray.
But to DinkAlot......

I hope that Lin Dan will play for his fans too, not just for himself, his teammates or his coach.

I should think that to make Badminton the most popular racket sport, all professional players should look after their fans first.

Idealistic...... Yes, still some will say. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

Am not quite sure if overconfident was the factor. I think he was ill prepared for this tournament tho' the papers mentioned he was ready. After his win over TH, LD was quoted to say that there are hurdles to clear. There was no indication of confidence in him taking the MO title.

However, a fallen LD is a dangerous LD. This guy has bounced back time and again and has proven to be devastating at times. This is only the 1st leg of the 12 series. One can never tell as the men's division is highly competitive. We may see a resurgence of LD in Korea, more of TH in other tournaments (hope he keeps in word) and more dark horses.

and you just plain stupid

I can accept criticizm but calling me plain stupid is just promoting hate. I don't think this comment is appropriate.

agreed.. I think the draw must be somewhat flawed if no.1 and no.12 on the world ranking meets in first round..

/Twobeer
...have you guys take a look @ the Korean Open MS draw??..I noticed LinDan is playing Kendrick Lee in the 1st round ..Is that a #1 vs. #12 seeded match, just like in this MO??..
*Btw, i was giggling looking at LinDan's pic "sleeping" on the floor..hehe:D :p He might as well stay on the court and "sleep" thru the rest of the day..:p :D ;)

I can accept criticizm but calling me plain stupid is just promoting hate. I don't think this comment is appropriate.


angelou no offence but from ur statement it seems that ld not win in indonesia n malaysia and in whichever country where the fan will boo him and the media will bomb him in order to save face ..... ? seriously ... i think ld is a great player but he is not a legend like how some real sports athlete like mohammad ali, pele etc etc and there is no need to 'save face'

This is so funny!!

=/ sounds like the world is trying to beat on china again. It was very horriying when it first happened.

Anyways on a differen't note, Lets explore the possibility of Lin Dan letting the game go. Now since I didn't see the game I can't say whether or not he was giving it his 100%, but lets say Lin Dan and Lee Choong Wei met in the finals. And Lin Dan won. Wouldn't it cause alot of negative emotions and dent malaysia's confidence in their team ? It could affect the popularity of the sport in malaysia and Lin Dan would get alot boos and disrespect from the crowd, (sort of what you see in an indonesian crowd). So what if Lin Dan lost in the Final against Lee Choong Wei? Then Lin Dan will look really bad, and people will mock him and Lee Choong Wei will again be praised for beating Lin Dan, which would make Lin feel very sore. So Lin could be thinking about what would be the safest course of action or which course of action would benefit the most people. So playing taufik in the beginning round would be great for him. Since he'll be playing one of the best players in history and gain some valuable experience, and at the same time he can lose later in a round where he won't losing much face. And so making an easy exit out of a no win situation, while still adding to his experience.

Of course, he could of just plain losed.

Just give credit to the Korean lar....:D
How do you feel if you are in the Korean position??:crying:
Win some loose some. Thats the beauty of the game.:D

Anyone can PM me on what time the semi starts?
Also anymore tickets available for sale?
Appreciate it. (Orang Malaysia di KL, mana lu? tolong la.)
rgds

I prefer to say, Lin Dan and TH loss is because they want to make forum more active and fun, everytime they loss, someone will start with why so and so loss in what and what .... ha ha .... and the thread will lass for many many page until it been blocked ....:D :D :D :D :D :D Lin Dan and TH love the forum!!!!;) ;) ;) ;)

Only LD himself knows best why he failed. For all us, we have to ACCEPT that all great players have their BAD days and LD is no exception.

"Superdan' was given by the media not LD himself. World No. 1 was not given on a silver platter to LD - he attributed his success to his hard work & discipline.

Tho' I do not condone the behaviour of booing from the spectators, uncalled for remarks from players and impartial reports from media, I have to ACCEPT that these 3 will exist as long as the world exist. And dear old LD has to ACCEPT that as long as he is World No. 1, he will attract envy & critics and is the player every other player wants to beat.

LD was perfectly fit when he defeated taufik and the same when he was defeated by PSH. Sick is defineatly not the excuse. This sounds unfair to PSH.

I used to like LD but not until I saw him smashing his racquet onto the floor and refused to don a traditional hat (the hat which only worn by the natives' hero during those days) during the prize giving of MO2006. That was really rude and disrespect to the natives :mad:
Dad & bro dislike him starting that day too.. Nvr forget that moment :( His attitude's making me so shocked -> disappointed -> ANGRY!

LD was perfectly fit when he defeated taufik and the same when he was defeated by PSH. Sick is defineatly not the excuse. This sounds unfair to PSH.

I used to like LD but not until I saw him smashing his racquet onto the floor and refused to don a traditional hat (the hat which only worn by the natives' hero during those days) during the prize giving of MO2006. That was really rude and disrespect to the natives :mad:
Dad & bro dislike him starting that day too.. Nvr forget that moment :( His attitude's making me so shocked -> disappointed -> ANGRY!


Although I barrack only for Malaysian players, I think LD is not bad after all. I noticed his smile and friendliness towards Taufik this time. A great man is one who can change if he thinks he is wrong.

....A great man is one who can change if he thinks he is wrong.
:) Well said!Everyone deserves second chance!
Back to topic,OK!!Park played better this time!
Big clap for him!:D
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2007-01/19/xin_410104190850472272178.jpg

LD was perfectly fit when he defeated taufik and the same when he was defeated by PSH. Sick is defineatly not the excuse. This sounds unfair to PSH.

I used to like LD but not until I saw him smashing his racquet onto the floor and refused to don a traditional hat (the hat which only worn by the natives' hero during those days) during the prize giving of MO2006. That was really rude and disrespect to the natives :mad:
Dad & bro dislike him starting that day too.. Nvr forget that moment :( His attitude's making me so shocked -> disappointed -> ANGRY!

I am not a Malaysian but I believe in respecting other cultures. Like you & perhaps the rest, I was equally shocked at LD's behaviour and I can understand your family's reaction. I used to admire TH some years ago until he 'bashed' up his own Indonesian fan & more recently his hostility towards the lines man (HKO) & at LD in the JO 2006 & the unwarranted remarks.

As long as LD shows regrets and does not repeat it, I think I should be more forgiving & merciful. I want to enjoy & be entertained by the great performance of these 2 players and not let my mind dwell in anger or hate/dislike. It's just my views & I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

I am not a Malaysian but I believe in respecting other cultures. Like you & perhaps the rest, I was equally shocked at LD's behaviour and I can understand your family's reaction. I used to admire TH some years ago until he 'bashed' up his own Indonesian fan & more recently his hostility towards the lines man (HKO) & at LD in the JO 2006 & the unwarranted remarks.

As long as LD shows regrets and does not repeat it, I think I should be more forgiving & merciful. I want to enjoy & be entertained by the great performance of these 2 players and not let my mind dwell in anger or hate/dislike. It's just my views & I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

Well, agree with u if he really regrets and shows improvement in his behavior. To be a professional player, he has to respect others too.

X Ball[/B]]Although I barrack only for Malaysian players, I think LD is not bad after all. I noticed his smile and friendliness towards Taufik this time. A great man is one who can change if he thinks he is wrong..

I don't really can expect his behavior if taufik had defeated him that day. If he can show his smile still, I'll change my mind.. fr :mad: -> :)

i have 3 good reasons:
1. korean Hwan Park came prepared, he studied TH and LD because he knows he will likely meet these 2 in early rounds. Conversely, LD dunno much nor care much about hwan park style as he assumed he can handle it. In this MO, LD objective is the avenge TH in 2 set, with a comeback on the 2nd set just like TH in 06 AG. He accomplished that.

2. Under NSS, it is too short of duration for a player to feel and learn about a unfamiliar player and make adjustment in time. This is different from a regular comeback like against TH which involve just more effort. I can guarantee u that LD can kick Hwan Park's butt if they meet next time, just like how LD slaughtered Lee HL in 06 AG 2nd match.

3. LYB game plan. He wanted the other chinese players to get better ranking going into the 08 OG. As i said before, 2008 gold MS is super important, and having the best draws at the OG is super important, even if LD losing some 07 titles . The key match in 07 for LD is to defend the AE & sudirman title and get decent #1 or #2 ranking going into 2008. TH is LD only threat and TH has a long way up to climb in ranking. If LD stop TH at 07 AE and sudirman, TH ranking will stay low due to lack of motivation. LD can pour it onto Hwan Park at the end, looking at the the score, it seem LD didn't do that.

chris, it's not black and white ;)

The third reason is not logic. WHy sould Lin Dan lose to a Korean Player?It is not that he is playing against his own teammate. Even if he won the match, the next opponent will be Kenneth Jonassen and not his teammate. If LYB has the plan of raising up their points, he would order LD to lose in a match between China players.

I dont understand this thread at all... I dont know why is TH always draged into discussion despite his early exit this time... and not to mention this thread is about LD not any other players.. so why bother discussing others???

Anyway, he lost like any other players with equal chance of losing.. theres no reason to it, just accept it and lets all anticipate for more exciting match ahead!:cool:

Oh dear :crying: :( Not a good start for LD :crying: Thought he would have a great chance after beating TH :crying: But I was wrong :( :crying: ;)

Lin Dan is great. He is a complete player. More to come from him in 2007.

But i think in Malaysia, he is Lin DONE!

Just kidding! :p

Dude u're funny man! :D:D
But seriously LD has no luck in Msia, this is the 3 time he lost in Malaysia already. Well, Cai/Fu as well....

Although I barrack only for Malaysian players, I think LD is not bad after all. I noticed his smile and friendliness towards Taufik this time. A great man is one who can change if he thinks he is wrong.

i noticed that too, i think both players now have high respect towards each other which i think is very good.

Dude u're funny man! :D:D
But seriously LD has no luck in Msia, this is the 3 time he lost in Malaysia already. Well, Cai/Fu as well....

Since you guys think that it is so funny, from now onwards, i will call lin dan, Lin DONE! :p :p :p :D :D :D

Since you guys think that it is so funny, from now onwards, i will call lin dan, Lin DONE! :p :p :p :D :D :Dactually in chinese, Lindan is spoken as 'lum done' .

angelou no offence but from ur statement it seems that ld not win in indonesia n malaysia and in whichever country where the fan will boo him and the media will bomb him in order to save face ..... ? seriously ... i think ld is a great player but he is not a legend like how some real sports athlete like mohammad ali, pele etc etc and there is no need to 'save face'

Well said. And certainly not every player would care about saving face. I'm just speculating the possibility that he, perhaps gave the game up. Not to say that he didn't lose out right. I haven't seen the match, so I can't judge it well. And to be honest, I feel that all players are equal and that they have potential to win and lose depending on their concentration, their calmness and their skill. And so I don't regard Lin Dan as a legend, but I see Lin Dan as a person who works very hard to achieve his standard of play. When I saw the match between Lin Dan and Lee Hyun Ill, I thought it was a brilliant match where Lee was controlling most of the match. Lastly, I would say that most matches I've seen that were very inspirational were done on neutral ground. These places include the All England and Denmark. O and the only person I regard as a legend in the world of badminton is Tang Xian Fu

LD was perfectly fit when he defeated taufik and the same when he was defeated by PSH. Sick is defineatly not the excuse. This sounds unfair to PSH.

I used to like LD but not until I saw him smashing his racquet onto the floor and refused to don a traditional hat (the hat which only worn by the natives' hero during those days) during the prize giving of MO2006. That was really rude and disrespect to the natives :mad:
Dad & bro dislike him starting that day too.. Nvr forget that moment :( His attitude's making me so shocked -> disappointed -> ANGRY!
i think ur a bit shallow.
-LD threw (as in not broken) the racket onto the floor, it was TH who 'smashed' (as in breaking it) the racket to the floor.
- since LD didn't win the MO, why LD has the wear the 'hero' hat? If u force someone to do something he/she doesn't like or believe in, aren't u more disrepectful of their culture and as a person? Don't label other people as disrepectful before judging his/her own action.

Sickness was just an opinion from a BF member, it wasn't an official reason given by the chinese team. BTW, PSH doesn't read this forum so u dont have to feel sorry for him

i think ur a bit shallow.
-LD threw (as in not broken) the racket onto the floor, it was TH who 'smashed' (as in breaking it) the racket to the floor.
- since LD didn't win the MO, why LD has the wear the 'hero' hat? If u force someone to do something he/she doesn't like or believe in, aren't u more disrepectful of their culture and as a person? Don't label other people as disrepectful before judging his/her own action.

Sickness was just an opinion from a BF member, it wasn't an official reason given by the chinese team. BTW, PSH doesn't read this forum so u dont have to feel sorry for him

your logic is that
LD not MO champion 06, then need not to wear the 'hero' hat;
my arguement will be
LD not MO champion 06, then need not to receive the mock cheque

BUT....both the mock cheques and the 'hero' hats were meant for the finalist...u know, for the high spirit warriors, which I believe, LD is one of those...hope u got the point.

AND, I was in the stadium, and I saw with my own eyes, how LD refused the 'hat'...the picture remains in my mind...can't forget it

your logic is that
LD not MO champion 06, then need not to wear the 'hero' hat;
my arguement will be
LD not MO champion 06, then need not to receive the mock cheque

BUT....both the mock cheques and the 'hero' hats were meant for the finalist...u know, for the high spirit warriors, which I believe, LD is one of those...hope u got the point.

AND, I was in the stadium, and I saw with my own eyes, how LD refused the 'hat'...the picture remains in my mind...can't forget it

culture difference? i think that something you (and everyone) need to respect in

its respectful to give a 'hero' hat to LD (assume if you are saying he has fighting spirit), but you also need to respect his culture as well, he was certainly not a winner in the event, then why would he still need to wear such a symbolic icon?

just in case if you are using a different term with me, from wiki-dictionary(or whatever its called)
the term mock:

[edit (http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=mock&action=edit&section=5)] Verb

to mock (mocks (http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=mocks&action=edit), mocked (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mocked), mocking (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mocking))

to mimic (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mimic), to simulate (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/simulate)
to make fun of by mimicking, to taunt (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/taunt)
to disappoint someonefrom your argument, if he is not being respected from the start, whats the reason for you to be mad if he doesn't comply? we are all human, super dan or duper 'done' :P



and for the word 'dan' and 'done'...
it doesn't sound like "dan" in chinese, mandarin nor cantonese, sorry cooler :P

LD was perfectly fit when he defeated taufik and the same when he was defeated by PSH. Sick is defineatly not the excuse. This sounds unfair to PSH.

I used to like LD but not until I saw him smashing his racquet onto the floor and refused to don a traditional hat (the hat which only worn by the natives' hero during those days) during the prize giving of MO2006. That was really rude and disrespect to the natives :mad:
Dad & bro dislike him starting that day too.. Nvr forget that moment :( His attitude's making me so shocked -> disappointed -> ANGRY!

it has been a year now and let's get it over. I am sure LD is sorry for what he did, and he is just a human who make mistake too.

Wish the world can be more forgiving.;)

AND, I was in the stadium, and I saw with my own eyes, how LD refused the 'hat'...the picture remains in my mind...can't forget iti'm not questioning your photographic 1000 GB memory capacity, i'm questioning your processing power of your CPU.

i'm not questioning your photographic 1000 GB memory capacity, i'm questioning your processing power of your CPU.

Ouch...:eek: That one hurts!!!:p

i'm not questioning your photographic 1000 GB memory capacity, i'm questioning your processing power of your CPU.

Well, Cooler, Have to say, that remark was a bit disrespectful!....

Anyway I think the "hat" issue may also have something to do that Yonex contracts usually have writings that players must wear a yonex cap with the YY visible at price ceremonies.. So LD could simply be afraid of breaching contract rules with Yonex..

/twobeer

3. LYB game plan. He wanted the other chinese players to get better ranking going into the 08 OG. As i said before, 2008 gold MS is super important, and having the best draws at the OG is super important, even if LD losing some 07 titles . The key match in 07 for LD is to defend the AE & sudirman title and get decent #1 or #2 ranking going into 2008. TH is LD only threat and TH has a long way up to climb in ranking. If LD stop TH at 07 AE and sudirman, TH ranking will stay low due to lack of motivation. LD can pour it onto Hwan Park at the end, looking at the the score, it seem LD didn't do that.

chris, it's not black and white ;)

I do not think a low ranking of TH is neccesarily good for the Chineese players.. meeting Taufik in the early rounds for Bao, LD etc.. may not be a brillian idea :)

/Twobeer

Look i dont particularly care about the hat incident. It's a free country. people are allowed to have mood swings and do whatever they want.

Lin Dan had just lost to an opponent who normally wouldnt have posed much of a threat (no disrespect), You cannnot expect him to be in a particularly good mood. Its not like he threw a racket into the crowd or refused to shake hands or swore at his opponent, he had just lost for heavens sake.

For whatever reasons that Lin Dan lost, he will continue to have my support. I think his character and style is great for the sport as very few players actually express their emotions on court.

Look i dont particularly care about the hat incident. It's a free country. people are allowed to have mood swings and do whatever they want.

Lin Dan had just lost to an opponent who normally wouldnt have posed much of a threat (no disrespect), You cannnot expect him to be in a particularly good mood. Its not like he threw a racket into the crowd or refused to shake hands or swore at his opponent, he had just lost for heavens sake.

For whatever reasons that Lin Dan lost, he will continue to have my support. I think his character and style is great for the sport as very few players actually express their emotions on court.

hmm.. the world #2 not posing much of a threat.. :confused: :p ..the word hybris comes to mind :)

/Twobeer

What are you talking about?

LD did not lose to LCW who is the world # 2 see official rankings.

He lost to a young korean.

So yeah not much of a threat.

What are you talking about?

LD did not lose to LCW who is the world # 2 see official rankings.

He lost to a young korean.

So yeah not much of a threat.

Yeah not much of a threat.... i bet he thought the same thing too before losing to TH in AG and to PSH in MO. :cool:

Well, Cooler, Have to say, that remark was a bit disrespectful!....

Anyway I think the "hat" issue may also have something to do that Yonex contracts usually have writings that players must wear a yonex cap with the YY visible at price ceremonies.. So LD could simply be afraid of breaching contract rules with Yonex..

/twobeer

So LD's the only one with the Yonex contract or the only one afraid of breaching the contract? (The 'hat' is for all finalists and symbolises their achievement as great 'warriors'. It's an honour, like knighthood bestowed upon by the Queen.)

he just lost, he was outplayed. his own fault, probably underestimated his opponent or just tired physically/mentally. plus world number ones don't always win.
tiger woods, michael shumacher (before he retired), roger federer, zhang ning for that matter.

I am not a Malaysian but I believe in respecting other cultures. Like you & perhaps the rest, I was equally shocked at LD's behaviour and I can understand your family's reaction. I used to admire TH some years ago until he 'bashed' up his own Indonesian fan & more recently his hostility towards the lines man (HKO) & at LD in the JO 2006 & the unwarranted remarks.

As long as LD shows regrets and does not repeat it, I think I should be more forgiving & merciful. I want to enjoy & be entertained by the great performance of these 2 players and not let my mind dwell in anger or hate/dislike. It's just my views & I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

Yes, try erasing this emotionally-charged image of someone being symbolically knighted by your Queen and he symbolically slapped her.